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	<title>Comments on: What happens when you pay a teacher $125,000?</title>
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		<title>By: RED</title>
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		<dc:creator>RED</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Sep 2009 23:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Echo.  I am a parent in a high performing school district with heavy parent involvement.  My daughter just finished 2nd grade. The teacher had a reputation as verbally abusive and controlling(but tenured). After spending time volunteering in the classroom, I would also add lazy and cruel.  The kids (with the help of the mothers) kinda taught themselves.  I guess if you hand out enough worksheets during the day, the kids will learn something.  Interestingly, all the kids did very well on the STAR tests (in CA). I think the caliber of kids (in this affluent suburb) overcame her lazy teaching.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Echo.  I am a parent in a high performing school district with heavy parent involvement.  My daughter just finished 2nd grade. The teacher had a reputation as verbally abusive and controlling(but tenured). After spending time volunteering in the classroom, I would also add lazy and cruel.  The kids (with the help of the mothers) kinda taught themselves.  I guess if you hand out enough worksheets during the day, the kids will learn something.  Interestingly, all the kids did very well on the STAR tests (in CA). I think the caliber of kids (in this affluent suburb) overcame her lazy teaching.</p>
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		<title>By: Purple</title>
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		<dc:creator>Purple</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Jun 2009 00:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It might work.  Hopefully the presure to perform won&#039;t stress or break the teacher&#039;s &#039;pre-hired&#039; spirit to reach kids that were in their smaller classes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It might work.  Hopefully the presure to perform won&#8217;t stress or break the teacher&#8217;s &#8216;pre-hired&#8217; spirit to reach kids that were in their smaller classes.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Jun 2009 11:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About time someone paid teachers, errr, child raisers, what they are worth!  Good for NYC!  Hopefully this sets a precedent</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About time someone paid teachers, errr, child raisers, what they are worth!  Good for NYC!  Hopefully this sets a precedent</p>
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		<title>By: Happiest teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happiest teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 21:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some good points echo...but this is what drives me nuts about the debate around education reform: the search for the silver bullet.  Will the KIPP model work everywhere, for everyone? No.  But it&#039;s not needed everywhere or for everyone.  KIPP has just proven to be ONE of the solutions, capitalizing on a PART of the work force out there.  Just because a particular school has filled a niche does not mean it should be denigrated for not solving the WHOLE problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some good points echo&#8230;but this is what drives me nuts about the debate around education reform: the search for the silver bullet.  Will the KIPP model work everywhere, for everyone? No.  But it&#8217;s not needed everywhere or for everyone.  KIPP has just proven to be ONE of the solutions, capitalizing on a PART of the work force out there.  Just because a particular school has filled a niche does not mean it should be denigrated for not solving the WHOLE problem.</p>
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		<title>By: echo</title>
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		<dc:creator>echo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 20:06:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have seen the Kipp &quot;contracts&quot; for students, parents &amp; teachers. They would be &quot;empty paper in the hands&quot; of most parents &amp; students as well. By the way what is the average age &amp; marital status of KIPP teachers? How many years of experience do they have? 

What you will find is the typical KIPP teacher is young, single and typically with fewer years of experience. Most teachers with families &amp; years under their belt do not wish to endure the required &quot;on-call&quot; &amp; Saturday duties for KIPP schools. I know some people like to think of teaching as a &quot;calling&quot; or something that is more than it really is but the reality is...it&#039;s a job. Most teachers do the best they can with what they have; but it&#039;s not our life, it&#039;s how we make a living. Anyone who wants a marytr if front of their kid&#039;s class is ignorant. Teachers who wish to be marytrs end up a frazzled, soon to be heavily medicated burn-out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have seen the Kipp &#8220;contracts&#8221; for students, parents &amp; teachers. They would be &#8220;empty paper in the hands&#8221; of most parents &amp; students as well. By the way what is the average age &amp; marital status of KIPP teachers? How many years of experience do they have? </p>
<p>What you will find is the typical KIPP teacher is young, single and typically with fewer years of experience. Most teachers with families &amp; years under their belt do not wish to endure the required &#8220;on-call&#8221; &amp; Saturday duties for KIPP schools. I know some people like to think of teaching as a &#8220;calling&#8221; or something that is more than it really is but the reality is&#8230;it&#8217;s a job. Most teachers do the best they can with what they have; but it&#8217;s not our life, it&#8217;s how we make a living. Anyone who wants a marytr if front of their kid&#8217;s class is ignorant. Teachers who wish to be marytrs end up a frazzled, soon to be heavily medicated burn-out.</p>
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		<title>By: Happiest teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Happiest teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>do parents VOLUNTEER for their kids to go to KIPP (instead of a traditional school) and can KIPP remove those whose behavior interferes with the education of others? And does KIPP work with all students, including poor neighborhood sp ed kids?

Yes, parents volunteer for their students to go to KIPP, but most often, the principal recruits students withing the neighborhood.  KIPP removes students much less frequently than normal schools, instead there is a huge focus on tackling little problems before they become big and supporting the discipline decisions the teachers make.  Finally, all KIPP schools are first-come, first-serve.  Whichever students want to come, can come until the capacity of the school is reached.  

Yes, our behavior expectation contracts are great (teachers sign one too, btw), but I firmly believe they would be empty pieces of paper in the hands of most educators.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>do parents VOLUNTEER for their kids to go to KIPP (instead of a traditional school) and can KIPP remove those whose behavior interferes with the education of others? And does KIPP work with all students, including poor neighborhood sp ed kids?</p>
<p>Yes, parents volunteer for their students to go to KIPP, but most often, the principal recruits students withing the neighborhood.  KIPP removes students much less frequently than normal schools, instead there is a huge focus on tackling little problems before they become big and supporting the discipline decisions the teachers make.  Finally, all KIPP schools are first-come, first-serve.  Whichever students want to come, can come until the capacity of the school is reached.  </p>
<p>Yes, our behavior expectation contracts are great (teachers sign one too, btw), but I firmly believe they would be empty pieces of paper in the hands of most educators.</p>
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		<title>By: dbow</title>
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		<dc:creator>dbow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 18:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s all the parents fault.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s all the parents fault.</p>
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		<title>By: David S</title>
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		<dc:creator>David S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 16:43:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The money is still forcibly taken from the taxpayers in the community.  In the end, that ALWAYS mean no accountability.  High pay does not equal great results.  Just look at what the president and members of congress make.

I had awsome teachers in private school and they made very little.  They knew their stuff and they cared.

This is just more window dressing hoping to cover up the failings of an immorally-funded and functionally unworkable government run system of education.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The money is still forcibly taken from the taxpayers in the community.  In the end, that ALWAYS mean no accountability.  High pay does not equal great results.  Just look at what the president and members of congress make.</p>
<p>I had awsome teachers in private school and they made very little.  They knew their stuff and they cared.</p>
<p>This is just more window dressing hoping to cover up the failings of an immorally-funded and functionally unworkable government run system of education.</p>
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		<title>By: Classroom Teacher</title>
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		<dc:creator>Classroom Teacher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 15:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Of course,teachers don’t like these experiments because what is implied is that all those teachers who are left at public schools are the ones who couldn&#039;t’t quite make it to the list of good teachers to be hired by KIPP and other schools.&quot;

Do you have any sources for your statement? As a classroom teacher I work at the pleasure of the local school board. Every year, to include this one, the county I teach in has to hire a bunch of new teachers. Why you may ask??? Because our county has a reputation of discipline problems in the schools. Why do we have discipline problems??? Talk to the administrators, I can only control what goes on in my class. I&#039;ll tell you this though; when I write a student up for touching a girl inappropriately and then he cusses me out when I tell him to stop and he is back in my class after a two day ISS stint, don&#039;t you dare say that I couldn&#039;t make it at whatever school you think might be doing a better job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Of course,teachers don’t like these experiments because what is implied is that all those teachers who are left at public schools are the ones who couldn&#8217;t’t quite make it to the list of good teachers to be hired by KIPP and other schools.&#8221;</p>
<p>Do you have any sources for your statement? As a classroom teacher I work at the pleasure of the local school board. Every year, to include this one, the county I teach in has to hire a bunch of new teachers. Why you may ask??? Because our county has a reputation of discipline problems in the schools. Why do we have discipline problems??? Talk to the administrators, I can only control what goes on in my class. I&#8217;ll tell you this though; when I write a student up for touching a girl inappropriately and then he cusses me out when I tell him to stop and he is back in my class after a two day ISS stint, don&#8217;t you dare say that I couldn&#8217;t make it at whatever school you think might be doing a better job.</p>
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		<title>By: reality check</title>
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		<dc:creator>reality check</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 13:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Everyone wants to point out how KIPP schools are different.  The truth is that there are many schools where disciplines are not problems, where parents do volunteer (probably more than KIPP parents) YET their students aren&#039;t doing as well.

Of course,teachers don&#039;t like these experiments because what is implied is that all those teachers who are left at public schools are the ones who couldn&#039;t quite make it to the list of good teachers to be hired by KIPP and other schools.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everyone wants to point out how KIPP schools are different.  The truth is that there are many schools where disciplines are not problems, where parents do volunteer (probably more than KIPP parents) YET their students aren&#8217;t doing as well.</p>
<p>Of course,teachers don&#8217;t like these experiments because what is implied is that all those teachers who are left at public schools are the ones who couldn&#8217;t quite make it to the list of good teachers to be hired by KIPP and other schools.</p>
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