Probation for Clayton schools.

UPDATE: Clayton County schools have regained accreditation, but the system remains on probation for two years. This means seniors who graduate this month will graduate with an accredited diploma.

Clayton isn’t free from oversight. The district is required to keep working to improve its leadership and governance and SACS will monitor them.

What do you thinks of the SACS decision? What improvements must the district still make?

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DB

May 1st, 2009
2:00 pm

Surprise, surprise . . . if conditions were so bad that SACS felt the need to make a political statement and jerk it, are they really that much better that they can give them “provisional” status, now?

What’s changed?

Educator

May 1st, 2009
2:51 pm

Worked there, left there. They should have lost it!

catlady

May 1st, 2009
4:27 pm

Like a baby, this was a foregone conclusion 9 months ago. This has nothing to do with anything except windowdressing. The pig merely has on lipstick now.

Joy

May 1st, 2009
4:36 pm

Iam happy for the children. They deserve to go to an accredited school, like everyone else in this state.Why hurt them, because of GROWN,EDUCATED PEOPLE who dont know how to act in office. I to also work there, left there. I had some great students. I also worked in Cobb and Dekalb, to be honest, i really dont see a change. I think Dekalb might be a litte worst.

Lee

May 1st, 2009
5:39 pm

I, for one, am certainly happy that Clayton cleaned out the riffraff that was on their board.

http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/metro/clayton/stories/2009/04/30/clayton_school_arrest.html

rofl

DB

May 1st, 2009
6:24 pm

Joy, if your spelling, punctuation and grammar is an example of what comes out of Clayton County — we rest our case.

Sheesh.

The charade continues

May 1st, 2009
6:24 pm

As has been posted on these blogs repeatedly, this was a charade from the very beginning, in order to complete a political power play. You were told to notice how accreditation was yanked AFTER last year’s seniors graduated, and you were told MONTHS in advance that it would be restored BEFORE this year’s seniors graduated.

Meanwhile, the REAL problems of CCPS, the discipline that is totally out of control, the lack of support of the teacher’s authority in said matters, and all the rest have gone COMPLETELY unaddressed by a BOE. But instead of being held accountable by an informed citizenry of critical thinkers, the BOE is inexplicably getting praised for being able to say please, thank you, and second the motion, and even THAT takes an $80,000 a year babysitter to facilitate.

This total lack of critical thinking on the part of most, this unyielding willingness to swallow the story hook, line, and sinker, as presented by the AJC, and by SACS, and all without ANY question of their motives, leads to one inescapbale conclusion.

The people of Clayton, as a whole, are getting the substandard school system they richly and fully deserve.

ClaytonTeacher

May 1st, 2009
6:32 pm

You knew before we did. The system cut off all external internet access and finally sent out an email around 3 PM letting us know the system’s status. And before you say “What about phone internet?” cell service is almost non existent and the AJC didn’t post the article online until almost 5 PM.

Of course we all knew it would be returned. SACS screwed up royally using Clayton to push a failed political agenda, but couldn’t completely let Clayton off the hook either. They did elect the idiots that made up the last school board.

The improvements the system can make? How about sending back all the APS students we’ve inherited? I love how everyone thinks Atlanta’s a miraculous turn around and raised its graduation rates to unheard of levels. We all know the truth though. The projects closed and the kids dragging down the system moved to Clayton, where the housing is cheaper and section 8 vouchers get a whole lot of house. It’s amazing how fact scores rise and fall when the bottom of the bell curve moves from one place to another.

Gravity still exists!

May 1st, 2009
6:47 pm

SACS has announced today, along with Clayton’s accreditation, that it has accredited gravity. Just in case you didn’t know it existed. SACS has also accredited the Sun being the center of the solar system. Just in case you didn’t know.

And, SACS has restored accreditation so that this year’s seniors will get an accredited diploma. Now I can see how some were unsure about gravity, and the Sun being the center of the solar system, but did anyone really believe for a minute that Mark Elgart was going to let the sons and daughters of the politically connected graduate without an accredited diploma?

I mean really.

Joy

May 1st, 2009
8:21 pm

Deeply Concerned Taxpayer/Parent

May 1st, 2009
9:18 pm

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Pope Earnest T. Bass IX

May 1st, 2009
10:42 pm

Wow. Really a surprise. ALL school system’s under SACS’s regional have SACS’s blessing. There are many school systems which are at least as bad or worse than Clayton County. Everyone who knows anything about POLITICS knew that SACS would give back to Clayton County its accreditation. You folks must love professional wrestling. No, it’s not fake. You guys are marks.

Jimbo the Jumbo

May 1st, 2009
10:44 pm

Mark Elgart is a total fake, and SACS is just a private, money-making machine.

Where is the AJC?

May 2nd, 2009
8:59 am

For an institution that can almost destroy a public school system with its kiss of death, why hasn’t the AJC looked into the money and finances of SACS, a private, for profit entity?

Why hasn’t the AJC asked just what exactly it is SACS does, when every system under its domain, no matter how dismal, no matter how poorly run, no matter how bad its results are, is accredited by SACS?

There may be some legitimate answers to these questions, but there is no legitimate reason a legitimate news organization wouldn’t at least ask the questions.

Normally it might not be the publics business about a for profit organization’s finances, but since the profit comes directly from the taxpayer, the public has a right to know.

When a private organization fails to deliver a good product, the market handles it, much like the market has handled the substandard product the AJC has produced in recent years.

But if an private, for profit organization gets its funding from the government, what is to protect the citizens if it delivers a substandard service? Seems like a newspaper that calls itself a watchdog would want to know.

flipper

May 2nd, 2009
12:12 pm

Well, maybe it will keep the clayton folks form migrating over to my county – so I am thankful.

Simple-Minded

May 2nd, 2009
2:03 pm

Now, they the whites want you to think its all about the kids. They saved the kid! They didn’t give a damn when they stole accreditation to frighten the blacks and threaten the kids. In an effort about politics, white folks and money! This CCBOE could have made an X-Rated DVD, “Board Members Going Wild” and we would still gotten accreditation back! Overwhelming evidence that the accreditation theft was a joke!

The New CCBOE holds illegal meetings, unethical behaviors, No-Bid Contracts, all members of CCBOE went San Diego costing an 18,500, run Thompson out with two months left costing over $100,000, run Julie Lewis off costing over $90,000. Now a CCBOE member was arrested! After all that, we magically received accreditation back on Friday. This was a Political Effort that “Disenfranchised” the darker voters.

HindSight 20/20

May 2nd, 2009
2:28 pm

The $25 million in federal stimulus money “Over The Next Two Years”, U.S. Rep. David Scott announced for the Clayton’s School System will not cover the $23 million per year over the next two years the School System will loss “Every Year”. These additional funds Scott announced would have been a great addition to existing funds had Elgart and Clayton’s Rich had not revoked accreditation.

This still lets the district $21 million short over the “Two Year Period”. Wow! This surely was a costly white political power move for the ailing black district!Remember these are the same individuals (SACS) that produced your distress when they practiced anti-pluralistic tendencies with your children livelihoods, disrupted your children continuity with displaced friends, belittled community, lowered your property value, skyrocketed property taxes, took your school’s certification, pilfered over $23 million educational dollars, caused 300-400 teacher job losses.

All this in the name of white power, total intolerance and greed over the downtrodden darker folk! What did you as a county “Gain”? More Cost! Three more additional bills one for an overpaid parliamentarian, another for unconstitutional CCBOE Ethic Commission and now an overpriced law firm. That’s three bills you didn’t have before!

What a Difference A Year Make

May 2nd, 2009
2:35 pm

One year ago A. Williams and Bob Hartley was leading the march to ouster CCBOE, marching down the avenue with 10 adults and 200 kids. Interviewed by the media, a public feature, Community Activist. They were push to the forefront by Barton, Buckner, and O’Keefe. This was done to put a “Black Face” on the “Ouster Effect”, when the whole thing was sponsored by the rich white folk.

A year later Williams is doing FED time and Bob Hartley is a victim of the Mortgage Meltdown, Homeless and Destitute, a Hobo, living under the bridge at I-675 and Anvil Block Road. Now, Barton, Buckner, and O’Keefe sit high atop CCBOE Ethics Commission, Clayton County Foreclosure Authority and State Senator. This whole was observed by the Uncle Tom Mike Glanton. A classic case of black exploitation on the unscrupulous, uneducated Darkies.

Third Eye

May 2nd, 2009
2:40 pm

CC Black residents are perhaps the most obtuse people in the metro region. You guys are the “ONLY County School System” in America that allows a so-called hand picked “Ethic Commission” to dictate what your “Elected Politicians” can or can’t do! Sonny don’t even abide by his “Ethic Commission”, W. Bush didn’t even abide by his! You “Black Folk” are letting this Ole Confederate O’Keefe, Head of the so-called “Ethic Commission”, dictate to you Blacks what’s appropriate and what’s not.

Did you know that in 2007 the Ole Confederate son when to MHS dressed in camouflage clothing carrying two hand guns with enough ammunition to killed twenty (20) little black kids; then the school was 98.9% black. Now, his pops have just graduated to County School System’s Ethic Commission Chief. That’s a little bit like putting a “Fox in a little chicken’s house” or should I say putting the Ole Klan in a little Negroes house”. Boy, I’ll tell you, this “Ole Confederate O’Keefe”, couldn’t get “Elected” on CCBOE now he’s running things.

Now, how “Ethical” is that!!! These whites have their motive and it NOT your little black children, look at these demographics! Their Agenda is Money and Power!

Gee Whiz

May 2nd, 2009
6:18 pm

Let’s look at why CCBOE lost its Accrediation: 0. Mr. Haynes became a CCBOE Member and he worked for MACE. 1. Jan’ 07 two board members had a vigorous debate about the famous 20 million dollar land deal. 2. The board member continued to question the chairman of the board about the legality of the $20 million dollar land deal. 3. Other board members started to question the contract process and why a County with 95% blacks – blacks had less than 4% of the contracts within the school system. 4. CCBOE members started to question staff members as to why Students did Not have Textbooks to take home. This is just a few the list can go on and on as to why the school system lost accrediation. The other reason is because Mark Elgart and the Governor them saw a way to come in an reclaim Clayton County and they got the rest of the elected officials from Clayton County to buy into the plan. What the elected officials from Clayton County fell to understand or realize is that a County or any place without a Good School System will not just hurt the School System it would tear down the Entire County. They were not Smart at all and at the End of the Day Mark Elgart disliked MACE so much that he would tear Clayton County School System down. This was never about the CCBOE it was a fight with Mark Elgart and MACE. The Accrediation should never have been taken because Clayton County students, teachers, and employees did their job on a daily basis and all this personal mess should never have cost the children of Clayton County or the residence. Hopefully, they can keep it and the school system can go forward. They really need to get rid of Mark Elgart(SACS).

love you

May 2nd, 2009
7:39 pm

How long will CCBOE keep its Accrediation, if they are planning on bringing in a Superintendent from outside of Georgia. I remember when the last board was interviewing for a Supt. and they were in the process of interviewing the two candidates Mark Elgart, and the Governor two Liasions told that Board that they needed to bring in someone from Georgia and they needs to know the Georgia system. Therefore, I know that this Board is not going to bring someone else in from the outside because if they do, then how long will they last? Mark Elgart and the Governor’s Liasion, I see hasn’t been too quick to disqualify this Superintendent Candidate or did they get enough after they disqualified Thompson before he started the job. This is another reason that the CCBOE lost its Accrediation the last time because that BOE made their own decision and didn’t let Mark Elgart and the Governor’s Liasions make the decisions for them. So, I guess they said, we will show them whose the BOSS, so they took Accrediation. Please leave CCBOE along Mark because it is plenty of school districts with more problems than Clayton County but they may not be as Black.

Textbooks

May 2nd, 2009
8:07 pm

Gee Whiz, while most of your comments were spot on, I had to chime in on the textbook situation. The state has a schedule that pays for new books in a subject are once every 7 years. The money provided by the state does not in any way cover the real cost of textbooks. It does not take into account the growth in enrollment nor does it take into account textbook losses. As someone who works in the system and has to account for textbooks, I would estimate CCPS students lose about 10-20% of issued books each year. Those books have to be replaced. In a perfect world, students that lose books would be required to pay for them. I have asked over and over why we can not hold transcripts, but the state says we can not. When I was in college we had to pay my parking fines and library fines before the school would consent to letting us have transcripts and diplomas. Until about 2 years ago there was a policy in place that if students lost a book in a subject area the previous school year, in Literature for example, students were not allowed to be issued another Literature book until the lost book was returned or paid for. This was a pretty good idea, because once this policy was rescinded, one could look at the list of lost books and see that some students had lost 5 or 6 books by the time they graduated. These books cost approximately $60 on average. I would guess the average high school is losing at least $50,000 in textbooks a year. 8 high schools (soon to be 9), throw in the middle schools and I bet the lost books cost the system hundreds of thousands a year. And people want to complain about a trip that cost less than $20,000?

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involved parent

May 3rd, 2009
10:26 pm

Dr. Craig Spinks /Evans

May 4th, 2009
1:19 am

What do I think of SACS? I don’t think much of “paper chases” or those who require them..

Henry Hemroid

May 4th, 2009
10:47 am

Mark Elgart…Glenn Brock…Brad Bryant and Sidekick Bostic…all hypocrites when it comes to Clayton county schools. Norreese Haynes was right…the entire SACS report was a “sham and a farce.”

Political Spectator

May 5th, 2009
9:35 am

If a teacher gave an A for 40 years to every child that entered his/her classroom, would one not question that teacher’s practices? Why are we not questioning SACS practices? I can not believe that EVERY school district that SACS accredits has been up to par. Come on, EVERY school district.

I understand that an accredited diploma is more important for our children than winning a political battle. Our children will graduate with an accredited diploma this year, now is the time to question SACS treatment of Clayton County Schools.

EVERY school district for 40 years, that’s ridiculous!

Don't Believe You Read

May 19th, 2009
6:53 pm

There are a lot of schools worst than Clayton County. Unfortunately, what happened to this county was done by the old board of education elected by people who had no earthly idea whom they were voting. They had moved from city of Atlanta and was given a card on how to vote by Mace organization mailed to anyone who had a mailing address in Clayton County.

It is sad that no one is paying attention to APS and believe every
thing they are reading about a great system it has. It is demeaning to the low income areas in Atlanta where as the white schools on the northside are treated like prime steak. What I mean is no reforms on that side of town whereas black students are still failing in the schools that are not accurate supplied as the schools on the northside of town.

I have to admire the parents in Clayton who did get together to fight against injustice after being asleep. Those black parents in Atlanta are still asleep and refuse to fight for a quality education for their children. There is no vocational classes in APS(go figure) for every child in APS is going to college (yeah right!!).