Louisville joins ACC
Update, 11 a.m. The ACC announced that Louisville has been voted in as a member.
“With its aggressive approach to excellence in every respect, the University of Louisville will enhance our league’s culture and commitment to the cornerstones we were founded on 60 years ago,” ACC Commissioner John Swofford said in a statement. “The University of Louisville is an outstanding addition to the Atlantic Coast Conference and I commend the Council of Presidents for continuing to position our league for the long-term future. If you look at what has been done over the last 15 months, the ACC has only gotten stronger with the additions of Louisville, Notre Dame, Pitt and Syracuse.”
Louisville replaces Maryland as the 14th member of the ACC as the conference realignment version of musical chairs continues. Maryland left the conference it helped found for the Big Ten last week.
Louisville will add a successful and tradition-bound basketball program and a football team that has improved in recent years. The Cardinals won the 2008 Orange Bowl with then-coach Bobby Petrino and will make its third consecutive bowl trip following this season. The Cardinals shared the Big East title last year and would go to a BCS bowl this season if they beat Rutgers Thursday.
The team averaged 49,991 in attendance in this season, 40th in the country and better than seven ACC schools, including Tech.
The addition will again boost what could be considered the top basketball conference in the country. With coach Rick Pitino, the Cardinals reached the Final Four last season and have also qualified for the NCAA tournament nine of the past 10 years.
Louisville has been a member of the Big East, joining in 2005 from Conference USA. It was a part of that league 1995-2005. Prior to that, it was in the Metro Conference (of which Georgia Tech was also a member) 1975-95.
Louisville is the seventh school that the ACC has poached from the Big East, following Boston College, Miami, Notre Dame (joined the ACC as a full member except for football), Pittsburgh, Syracuse and Virginia Tech. With the impending departure of Maryland and the addition of Louisville, the ACC will have more former Big East members than charter members (five – Clemson, Duke, North Carolina, N.C. State, Wake Forest).
The school won a spot in the league over Connecticut and Cincinnati, which were also trying to leave the Big East. Louisville does not have the academic standards that the conference has prided itself on; it is ranked 160th by U.S. News and World Report magazine among national universities, 54 spots below the lowest-ranking member (N.C. State) and lower also than Connecticut (63) and Cincinnati (139).
U.S. News ranking
Duke 8
UVA 24
Wake 27
UNC 30
Boston College 31
Tech 36
Miami 44
Syracuse, Pittsburgh 58
Clemson 68
Virginia Tech 72
Florida State 97
N.C. State 106
Louisville 160
Ken Sugiura, Georgia Tech blog
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Jacket Attack
November 28th, 2012
9:56 am
First
Jacket Attack
November 28th, 2012
9:57 am
I also thing we will see uconn and cincy come into play here really soon! Now its going to be a fun deal watching how the conference gets realined into sides im guessing the north and the south???
GT = WIDE RECEIVER U
November 28th, 2012
10:02 am
Cincy will be next for the ACC…….and ND will follow in a few years. This will give the ACC 16 teams.
Jacket Man
November 28th, 2012
10:05 am
I read this was actually considered more of a “strategic” move by the ACC in that they decided to go with Louisville first because they didn’t want to give the BIG 12 to get them before they had the chance to (like they got West Virginia), and they believe UCONN and Cincinnati will be more likely to still be around if/when they decide to expand again later.
Also, financially speaking, Louisville’s athletic program is in a MUCH better position than both UCONN and Cincinnati, especially with the support of PaPa John behind them.
Buddy Landel
November 28th, 2012
10:08 am
An upgrade over Maryland in the $$ sports. However, the academic standing is disheartening.
JB
November 28th, 2012
10:25 am
Louisville. Oh Boy, another L for Tech………No more Duke’s to add I guess.
Buzzzed
November 28th, 2012
10:28 am
Agree with Buddy. Louisville tops Maryland in football and basketball but we lose an AAU member. So the ACC adds the Kentucky market. What about the TN market? Any shot at Vandy (an AAU member)?
jefe in marietta
November 28th, 2012
10:47 am
Now I will have a reason to go to Clemson and GA Tech for football games! Go Cards!
Father of 5
November 28th, 2012
10:48 am
The Big 10 isn’t done raiding yet — and GT and BC might be next, with any luck. Everything is about TV markets and ESPN. The ACC slit its throat with its basketball focus, and it will soon become the Carolina Basketball League. GT should be smart enough to bail before the other dominoes fall. GT is being pursued by at least 2 conference who actually benefit their members, unlike the ACC. They need to jump at the chance to escape, just like Maryland.
www
November 28th, 2012
10:53 am
the acc should still hold maryland to the terms of their deal and get the full $50 million.
is it too late to relgate wake forest and boston college to the big east?
77ME
November 28th, 2012
10:55 am
don’t know about the ACC being “clearly the best basketball league” after Tuesday night’s thrashing of ACC teams by the Big 10
you can't fix stupid or bulldogs
November 28th, 2012
10:56 am
going to the Big Ten or the Big 12 is better than the ACC but I don’t see it happening.
Buzzed
November 28th, 2012
11:02 am
More revised geography. And the ACC doesn’t want any part of Vandy in football.
GT Dude
November 28th, 2012
11:10 am
L-Ville you’ve go to be kidding
on well another school that uses a stupid spelling cheer
C-A-R-D-I-N-A-L-S
maybe that is why there academics ranking is so low
Dadgum.....
November 28th, 2012
11:14 am
Ken….I hate to break it to you buddy but the ACC is not considered “clearly the best basketball league”. Only die-hard Carolina or Puke fans still think that. The league has been in steady decline over the last three years as their NCAA tourney participation would suggest. Think about this. Last year the ACC lost, get this, 51 total non-conference games and that was before Jan 1st. Now, with the newest additions coming in 2014 and Louisville it should be a different story. Regardless, football drives the bus even in the ACC. Adding the Cardinals was a no brainer to that end. Nobody cares about the academia parts. Louisville improves the landscape and keeps teams from bailing. That trumps the academia which could improve for Louisville.
Don’t think you will see UConn in the ACC as long as there is a shot at pulling in ND full time. I can see Cincy but UConn is reportedly a long shot now.
BostonJacket
November 28th, 2012
11:16 am
Vandy’s not going to leave SEC money on the table to come join the ACC.
Father of 5 – where’d you hear that Tech was being chased by other conferences?
re: Louisville, I really was hoping the ACC would have snagged UConn instead – a great academic school, a GREAT basketball program, up-an and-coming football program, a geographic rival in BC, and extra opportunities to see my Jackets in person when they travel to New England
Ken Sugiura
November 28th, 2012
11:20 am
you’ve got a point.
Dadgum.....
November 28th, 2012
11:22 am
Buzzed…..Vandy will be playing either VT or GT in the Music Bowl. Guess we will find out.
This makes the 3rd straight year the Big 10 has thrashed the ACC.
Don’t think for one minute that adding Louisville wasn’t about circling the wagons and keeping the ACC brethren together. It was about football first and appeasing FSU, VT, and Clemson. Any other reason is window-dressing. UConn or Cincy wasn’t going to get the job done and the natives were getting restless.
Rock on…..
Unbiased Sometimes
November 28th, 2012
11:24 am
Ken, love that Georgia Tech is “Tech” and Virginia Tech is “Virginia Tech”. Small victories.
GIVE ME A BREAK
November 28th, 2012
11:29 am
You could be right.
Dadgum.....
November 28th, 2012
11:36 am
The problem with UConn is, well, UConn. Bad geography for the conference with too many northern schools recently added. In addition they are poorly supported in the New York market. Trumping all that is that they are a dyed-in- the wool Big East school. We have enough of those and UConn would be a tough sell to the ACC populace. Louisville isn’t perceived as a Big East cronie per se as they have been largely independent prior to the Big East stint.
I can’t tell you how unimportant academics are right now when looking at the sports landscape. Being an AAU school is nice and all but if we keep adding Marylands to the mix as we watch FSUs leave how happy are we really going to be that we have such a great academic conference? Not very. Louisville is progressing academic wise and I’m very glad the ACC can hold their hand while they do.
As we get embarrassed by the Big 10 in basketball and the SEC in football every year it seems, it’s kind of refreshing to add a new member with teeth in both sports. I’ll worry about the academics later. Much later!
Rick James
November 28th, 2012
11:39 am
@Buzzzed
Agree with Buddy. Louisville tops Maryland in football and basketball but we lose an AAU member. So the ACC adds the Kentucky market. What about the TN market? Any shot at Vandy (an AAU member)?
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No SEC school will take a backwards step and join the ACC..Nobody is trying to leave the best conference in America.
Luke
November 28th, 2012
11:40 am
Boston, I dunno about a great academic school in UConn. They reportedly DIDNT go to the Big10 due to the fact of mainly academics standards.
Rick James
November 28th, 2012
11:41 am
It will be nice to see Louisville backetball in Atlanta..Another yearly football loss for Tech though.
Rick James
November 28th, 2012
11:46 am
At some the ACC will need to find a replacement for NC State.The SEC wants to get into the North Carolina market and that will be the target school.
gt wrangler
November 28th, 2012
11:54 am
who cares about academic standards for conference teams? It is OK to have a blend of great academics and good academics. The ACC needs to solely focus on getting its TV revenue as high as the Big 10, Pac -12, or SEC. That’s it. Nothing else matters for the conference. Academic mention is for snobs, when talking about conferences. Louisville is a much, much better choice than UCONN and Cincy in my opinion. Way to ACC! Let’s go get Texas and renegotiate our TV contract. Or lets merge with the Big 12 to form one super 16 power conference, then renegoiate our TV contract. Whatever it takes to get our per team revenue equal or higher to whatever the highest conference is!
gt wrangler
November 28th, 2012
12:00 pm
SEC is not the best conference in America. It is the best football conference. The Big 10 has a higher per team average payout and I consider them to be the best Rick James.
GTBob
November 28th, 2012
12:06 pm
Its pretty hard to argue that after adding Pitt, Syracuse, ND, and Louisville that the ACC won’t be far and away the best basketball conference. It has been struggling a little recently but the conference will be absolutely loaded after adding those 4.
Buzzzed
November 28th, 2012
12:07 pm
Rick James, how much more does an SEC school get compared to an ACC school (based on ESPN contract)? By eliminating its athletic dept., Vandy has made it clear academics trump athletics. For a couple mil a year, they might bail the dumb-dumb conference.
Rick James
November 28th, 2012
12:35 pm
@gt wrangler
SEC is not the best conference in America. It is the best football conference. The Big 10 has a higher per team average payout and I consider them to be the best Rick James.
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They dont have the highest payout..How many Big 10 teams are ranked in the top 10 of the BCS rankings? When was the last time a Big 10 team won the national title?
GT Fan
November 28th, 2012
12:39 pm
Guys,
Dont’ engage Rick James. A few weeks ago I busted him up on a UGA blog with something regarding GT, and his only comeback was “I don’t care about GT”
But here he is, AGAIN, on a GT blog, spewing his garbage. Since being clowned by me, I’ve seen him posting on GT blogs more than a dozen times. Gee, I would hate to see how much he’d be on GT blogs if he actually cared.
JuRICh Strong
November 28th, 2012
12:40 pm
This is a win-win for all but West Virginia. If Geno had played this year in the Big East, he would still be leading the Heisman race. They’ll be the Kentucky of the Big 12. No chance to win the conference championship. No one ever wanted to visit their facilities with all the violent crazies at those events in Morgantown. At least Louisville is a class act among these schools Louisville academics will no doubt rise to acceptable ACC standards. Dadgum has the most insightful comments so far. Handsdown.
Rick James
November 28th, 2012
12:41 pm
@gt wrangler
SEC is not the best conference in America. It is the best football conference. The Big 10 has a higher per team average payout and I consider them to be the best Rick James.
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The SEC is the best in America and its members receive the highest payouts in.When was the last time a Big 10 school won the national title? How many Big 10 schools are ranked in the top 10 of the BCS poll?
GTBob
November 28th, 2012
12:45 pm
They dont have the highest payout.
The Big 10 does have the highest television payout of the major conferences right now. That will grow even larger after expansion and contract renegotiation.
Rick James
November 28th, 2012
12:46 pm
@Buzzzed
Rick James, how much more does an SEC school get compared to an ACC school (based on ESPN contract)? By eliminating its athletic dept., Vandy has made it clear academics trump athletics. For a couple mil a year, they might bail the dumb-dumb conference
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I know the culture at Vanderbilt my daughter is in school there.They will not not take a step backwards and join the ACC.Name the last school to leave the SEC.Now list schools who would like to be members.Not happening
GT Fan
November 28th, 2012
12:47 pm
MOST SEC fans =
“some of the people you can fool ALL of the time”
Rick James
November 28th, 2012
12:52 pm
@GT Fan
Dont’ engage Rick James. A few weeks ago I busted him up on a UGA blog with something regarding GT, and his only comeback was “I don’t care about GT”
But here he is, AGAIN, on a GT blog, spewing his garbage. Since being clowned by me, I’ve seen him posting on GT blogs more than a dozen times. Gee, I would hate to see how much he’d be on GT blogs if he actually cared.
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I guess you were on the Georgia blog because you care about UGA blog? This is not a Tech blog its an AJC blog and I have no idea what you’re talking about but I obviously made an impression on you..Good luck against FSU
DawginLex
November 28th, 2012
12:53 pm
Folks up here are talking about a report saying UNC and Duke to SEC, Clemson and FSU to Big 12.
They are laughing at Louisville(like always) saying “their neighbors are leaving before they even move in”.
Rick James
November 28th, 2012
12:53 pm
@GTBob
The Big 10 does have the highest television payout of the major conferences right now. That will grow even larger after expansion and contract renegotiation
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It always amazes how you choose to respond to part of my comments..
TechApp fan
November 28th, 2012
12:54 pm
if Tech seemingly cannot afford (according to some bloggers) to can johnson (if they wanted to?), how could they possibly come up with $50mil for leaving the ACC?
Tech is noted for it’s D, not the $50 mm in a piggy bank..
Rick James
November 28th, 2012
12:57 pm
@DawginLex
Folks up here are talking about a report saying UNC and Duke to SEC, Clemson and FSU to Big 12.
They are laughing at Louisville(like always) saying “their neighbors are leaving before they even move in
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The ACC is going to implode and I see Tech going to the Big 10.As far as football goes the Sunbelt or Conference USA would be better fits.
UGA OWNS gtu
November 28th, 2012
12:58 pm
Good grief… the acc is a complete JOKE! Just like gtu.
GTBob
November 28th, 2012
1:14 pm
if Tech seemingly cannot afford (according to some bloggers) to can johnson (if they wanted to?), how could they possibly come up with $50mil for leaving the ACC?
A move to the Big 10 would make Tech significantly more money than the ACC, therefore they could justify raising the $50 million for the move. Firing a coach who doesn’t really deserve to be fired yet and ponying up $10 million to make him go away is a completely different scenario.
gt wrangler
November 28th, 2012
1:19 pm
I guess I have to repeat myself Rick James, for you:
“The SEC is the best football conference. The are not the best conference in my opinion because the Big 10 has the highest payout per team.”
There is no need for you to start going over the SEC football accomplishments, because that is not my point and it only agrees with me.
Rick James
November 28th, 2012
1:21 pm
@gt wrangler
guess I have to repeat myself Rick James, for you:
“The SEC is the best football conference. The are not the best conference in my opinion because the Big 10 has the highest payout per team.”
There is no need for you to start going over the SEC football accomplishments, because that is not my point and it only agrees with me
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I disagree but respect your opinion..
flibbertygibbit
November 28th, 2012
1:30 pm
Fof5, I’m w/you…PLEASE get us OUT of the damned ACC…I doubt our fortunes in the B10 would improve immediately, but anything’s better than letting the tobacco road schools run the conference (as in ‘vacated acccg’).
The New ACC
November 28th, 2012
1:38 pm
For the first time, I have heard that the Big 10 is courting GA Tech to leave the ACC and become a member. They view GA Tech as an entry into the South market for TV.
I don’t know how much truth there is to this, but I wonder if GA Tech would consider this move. As a GA Tech fan, the massive change in opponents would be very strange!
Ken Sugiura
November 28th, 2012
1:39 pm
Unbiased – I hope you wouldn’t have a problem with a Virginia paper referring to Virginia Tech as “Tech” or a South Carolina paper calling South Carolina “USC.”
The New ACC
November 28th, 2012
1:41 pm
@DawginLex….
What you are hearing is likely rumor mill stuff from University of Kentucky folks. That is just as reliable as stuff GA Tech hears coming from ugag folks.
Don’t count on it.
The New ACC
November 28th, 2012
1:50 pm
I do not see the ACC “imploding” by any means. It will end up being one of the “super conferences” left in the nation. These super conferences will have 16 members, 2 divisions, and will have football conference championship games. They will include:
1. ACC
2. Big 10
3. PAC 10
4. SEC
The remaining will be known as ‘regular’ conferences. This would include the Big East, the Big 12, Sun Belt, etc. These conferences will have fewer members and may or may not have a conference championship game.
The posturing or conference alignments on-going is simply to determine which teams will be in which super conference and which teams will not be in any super conference.
Which team is in which super conference is largely being determined by the respective super conference simply due to the television market. For example, the Big 10 wanted entry into the DC market, so they went after Maryland. It is not because the University of Marland is an outstanding football school, or basketball school, or whatever. It is all about the television market and the money it can bring.
BigTimeTECHFan
November 28th, 2012
1:59 pm
Wish the ACC would have got Navy.
juvenal
November 28th, 2012
2:02 pm
at least our USN&WR average is #1………especially if we add the Irish…….
gtlinz
November 28th, 2012
2:04 pm
The ACC is trying to survive and the big12 is dysfunctional because of Texas – but the others big12 members would love out.
Texas needs to play nicely with conf members or could get left behind. Don’t be surprised if you eventually see a combination of the big 12 (with or without Texas) and the Southern ACC teams (including Lousville). If Texas plays nicely, you add 4-6 southern ACC schools. If not, you form a new conference without Texas.
The southern and midwest divisions would reduce travel woes. The southern setup would go directly against the SEC. It would work nicely, and there have been rumors. I think the reason it has not happened is Texas. Just like ND, they need to wake up and smell the coffee.
wreckbone
November 28th, 2012
2:11 pm
I never thought I’d say it, but I guess bailing to the Big 10 would work if the ACC crumbles. Glad I live in Atlanta, because the TV market is what will get us to anoter conference if needed. Actually if the schools added get busy and paly some football, we could be better as a conference in the future. Not as high as SEC but hey would be nice to move out of 5th.. and honestly I like adding syracuse and Louisville instead of Maryland. Now we got a reason to go do some horse betting and playing an ACC game!!
And for the SEC poacher guy, if the SEC wanted anyone in the carolinas it would definitely be UNC not NC State. UNC sells out 22-24
K for home basketball games. NC state gets as many fans in the seats as Tech. Carolina can fill the house and their football stadium gets bigger as fast as the trees let them! UNC is the UGA of NC so they have the fans. NC State is that “state” school that has 20 K fans at football games when their teams suck.
Heel4Life
November 28th, 2012
2:34 pm
UNC is overall a greater nat’l brand than UGa. UNC’s BB program trumps Uga FB program, and it’s academic rating is significantly higher than UGa’s.
The New ACC
November 28th, 2012
2:53 pm
I just don’t think an ACC team would ever leave for the SEC. Why? First there is the $50 million buy out. Second, the SEC team dividend just is not significantly more than the ACC.
Rick James
November 28th, 2012
3:00 pm
@The New ACC
I just don’t think an ACC team would ever leave for the SEC. Why? First there is the $50 million buy out. Second, the SEC team dividend just is not significantly more than the ACC.
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Virginia Tech,Florida St and Clemson would jump to the SEC in a heartbeat.If you truly believe that the dividend in not much more then why cant the ACC lure SEC teams to join them?
JM
November 28th, 2012
3:00 pm
Has the Big XII settled it’s newest TV contract?
GTBob
November 28th, 2012
3:22 pm
>i>Has the Big XII settled it’s newest TV contract?
Yes, it pays each school about 20 million per year. 2.6 billion total.
GTRay
November 28th, 2012
5:37 pm
My ex-wife is from Louisville and a HUGE U of L fan, so I would have preferred that the ACC had added UCONN. Just kidding, that’s all true, but not the real reason why I wish the ACC had added UCONN. I guess the rationale that UCONN will be available in the future makes some sense.
As long as we’re doing so much speculating here, let me throw out a thought: Penn State moving to the ACC? I know, I know, call me crazy — and there are a lot of reasons why it wouldn’t happen — but if it was ever going to be possible, while they are on probation would be the time (change of venue during a bad time, getting a new start?).
And Mr. Sugiura, re: that ACC school in Virginia that is not UVA: they will always be VPI to me.
John Bowman
November 28th, 2012
6:02 pm
Just a note about the University of Louisville’s relative academic standing: Years ago, the university adopted an “urban mission.” In layman’s terms, that means it chooses to facilitate the very American idea(l) that every person – not just country clubbers and their legacies – deserves an opportunity to get a quality college education. Not only does the university not apologize for this mission, it celebrates it.
Jacket
November 28th, 2012
6:35 pm
Ken, could you post the US News Rankings for SEC schools? Might be interesting. Not sure if we’ll want to see it or not…
Delbert D.
November 28th, 2012
7:04 pm
Snippet from ESPN:
“The ACC felt Louisville was the best choice because of its “aggressive approach” to success, including a commitment to “marquee athletics programs,” a source told ESPN.”
The difficulty of a degree from Louisville is on the same level as Clemson, but without the academic ranking. I compiled this from the Louisville web site earlier today:
Louisville depth chart 2012 – upperclassmen majors
6 Sports Administration
5 Communications
4 Marketing
3 [undecided]
2 Health and Human Performance
2 Justice Administration
1 Exercise Science and Sports Medicine
1 Biology
1 Pre-business
1 Engineering
1 Computer Science
1 [none listed]
Reality
November 28th, 2012
7:54 pm
@Rick James,
LOL! Then, why cannot the SEC lure any ACC teams to join them? It seems that the SEC must go out to west of the Mississippi – multiple times. LOL!
Not So Happy
November 28th, 2012
9:41 pm
So Louisville once again joins a basketball first conference dominated by Notre Dame & having difficulty hanging on to its major football teams. Sound famiiair?
The Cards just joined the old Big East again.
Nottyenham
November 29th, 2012
1:15 am
How will Louisville’s joining of the ACC help The University of Louisville raise up their rankings to be within the company of it’s ACC brethren? Our first goal should be to surpass the lowest acting members’ ranking, NC State’s 106.
Will the proceeds and spoils of the sporting events that should seemingly increase just through tourism alone; will these funds go to the efforts in which UofL should be attempting through the assistance of this new ACC familiar union.
UGA OWNS gtu
November 29th, 2012
11:20 am
The acc and gtu are EMBARRASSING and PATHETIC. gtu and the whole acc should drop down to FCS. And their fans are especially PATHETIC… no support whatsoever. Of course, when you SUCK that bad, it’s to be expected.
Tide/Dawg
November 29th, 2012
1:07 pm
Notre Dame joining the ACC in football!!! It’s not going to happen, ever. They are not going to share their money with anyone.Let’s see, their deal with the ACC means that they have to play 5 ACC teams each year. That means that they have 5 guaranteed wins each season, and they get to share in the basketball revenues and other sports and don’t share their football revenue. Somebody tell me that I have this all wrong.
Vandy is not going to leave their cash cow. The SEC revenues pay for all of their sports. Yes, they are an institute of higher learning and you don’t kick the cash cow.
The ACC is a scholar conference that turns out graduates that become Presidents, CEOs, etc, who start earning a million dollars a year in 5-10 years(Well,..they would have before the election). On the other hand, the SEC turns out football graduates who start earning 5 million a year immediately, without working, just playing a game. That doesn’t seem very equitable to me. Maybe football should be a major.o)) I believe in getting a good education, but someone has to pay for that, it’s not free.The enormous revenues that football brings to a school pays for many of the facilities that are used by the students enrolled there for an education. However, the students who are not athletes(the wannabe, never was an athlete type) and enjoy having a winning football team even if they are the scholarly type. Bragging rights, that’s important to them.
What’s this blog all about….hell, I don’t know. It seemed like a good idea at the time. Somebody fill me in on that Notre Dame arrangement with the ACC. I’m not sure I have that right.
Toadster
November 29th, 2012
4:50 pm
Read the 100 yard lie and it’ll clear things up for you.