Tech notes: NCAA experts say Miami should self-impose
1. If Georgia Tech defeats Duke on Saturday, it’s possible the Yellow Jackets could win the ACC Coastal Division title on Sunday.
With a win over South Florida on Saturday, Miami will become bowl-eligible. The school, which is under NCAA investigation, has said it will make an announcement regarding its decision on a self-imposed postseason ban after it becomes eligible. Last year, Miami made its announcement the day after it became bowl-eligible, also after a win over South Florida.
If Miami removes itself from the postseason, it will be ineligible to play for the ACC title. In that situation, a Tech win over Duke would give the Jackets the Coastal title with a 5-3 league record and send them to the ACC title game in Charlotte on Dec. 1.
Two NCAA rules experts said it would be in Miami’s interest to take the ban to show its contrition to the NCAA’s committee on infractions.
“I would suppose that they’re probably in line for a multiple-year postseason ban, so it might make sense at this point to get it over with and take it now,” said John Infante, a former NCAA compliance director at two colleges and the author of the acclaimed Bylaw Blog.
“I just think it’d be the best thing for them to do,” said David Ridpath, also a former compliance director at two schools and a sports-administration professor at Ohio University. “I think you have to look more to the future.”
The decision is a gamble either way. There is no way to know conclusively if the infractions committee will give Miami another postseason ban if the school doesn’t do so itself. However, if Miami accepts a bowl bid this year, which would enable the Hurricanes to play in the ACC championship game if it beats Duke on Nov. 24, it’s possible Miami could have a stronger team next year or 2014 be banned from the postseason. Last season, Ohio State was under investigation, but, believing it wouldn’t receive a bowl ban, accepted an invitation to the Gator Bowl.
But the Buckeyes did receive a ban and, as a result, this season’s team, which is 10-0 and ranked No. 6 in the Associated Press poll, has no chance to play in the postseason.
“Ohio State’s experience, it wouldn’t surprise me if that was playing into (Miami’s) decision,” Infante said.
2. Tech quarterback Vad Lee and Duke quarterback Sean Renfree have strong ties to their Saturday opponent. Renfree committed to Tech in 2007, recruited by former coach Chan Gailey. After his hire, coach Paul Johnson made a call to Renfree, a pro-style quarterback.
“I said, ‘This is probably not going to fit you,’” Johnson said. “He said, ‘Yeah, I know.’ I said, ‘Whatever we can do to help you (let us know). I wish you luck.’ He’s had a great career. Made a good choice.”
Lee grew up in Durham, N.C., and developed a close relationship with Duke coach David Cutcliffe and assistants.
“Vad was over here a lot,” Cutcliffe said on the ACC coaches teleconference. “The (high) school is not very far away. Just used to sit and talk.”
Cutcliffe spoke with fondness and respect for Lee, who said Tuesday that “I love the coaching staff there.”
“He’s a fine young man, fine family,” Cutcliffe said. “And, I’ll be honest with you, I’m very proud of Vad and what he’s accomplished.”
3. Kickers David Scully and Justin Moore will not play because of injuries, meaning that walk-on Chris Tanner will play for the second game in a row. Tanner took kickoffs, field goals and extra points Saturday in the win over North Carolina. He made both of his field-goal attempts and all eight extra points.
Safety Jemea Thomas was held out of practice Wednesday with an undisclosed injury. Johnson said he expected him to return Thursday. Johnson maintained his stance that offensive tackle Will Jackson probably will not play with a shoulder injury.
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Dadgum.....
November 15th, 2012
9:17 pm
Again , yes, a bowl must take a 6 win ACC team regardless of their record assuming of course those 6 wins are eligible wins. See my post above for qualifying wins. A bowl with ACC tie ins must take that team or another team within one win of said team. It’s been this way for years. Duke is already going to the Belk Bowl in Charlotte. Just saying….
10 out of 11 supersized 14 GT
November 15th, 2012
9:36 pm
Going out on a limb here white&fold but i will stick with losing by 21 at home to a team miss state beat by 35 points. Critisize the USC game please cause we lost and got our butts kicked. Picking holes in games we won is kind of maddening and the def of insanity if u ask me.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
9:51 pm
Dadgum…..
November 15th, 2012
9:10 pm
Well since I have no credibility. Chew on this DawgNole. The bowls under contract with the ACC, which is 8 with an option for a 9th, must take an eligible ACC team. An eligible ACC team is any team with 6 wins of which one may be a non-D1 FBS team if the eligible team in question plays a 12 game schedule. It makes no difference the overall record after the ACCCG. A bowl may skip a team in line for their pick if the team they want is within one win of the team they are passing over. Thus the Chickn Bowl is not bound to the loser of the ACCCG at all. It is also very doubtful they have Tech on their wish list. This looks like a slot for Clemson for sure.
As for pathetic Duke they just got pasted by FSU and Clemson by a combined 104-27. Lost to VT 41-20. Do the math idiot. So I got the venues at FSU mixed up. Duke is pathetic. Go check their schedule and wins. Flat out ugly.
_____________________
Any hope you may have had for regaining credibility went out the window with this gibberish. What bowl is contractually forced to take a 6-7 team? If you don’t know, shut your yap.
YOU do the math, fool. You sure as hell didn’t do it with your first post–in which you proclaimed Duke an 18-point loser to Va Tech and a 50-point loser (at home) to FSU. There’s three lies right there. And where did I ever defend Duke? I didn’t, you dork.
If you don’t want to get on here and embarrass yourself again, at least post facts instead of making up crap as you go.
You’re now officially down to minus 10 on the credibility scale. “Dadgum”–a pretty appropriate handle.
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
10:00 pm
DwagNole…..not contractually obligated to take a 6-7 team but to take the ACC CG loser yes the bowls in the ACC alliance will have to if it comes down to TECH being 6-7 after the ACC CG.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
10:05 pm
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
10:00 pm
DwagNole…..not contractually obligated to take a 6-7 team but to take the ACC CG loser yes the bowls in the ACC alliance will have to if it comes down to TECH being 6-7 after the ACC CG.
___________________
Well, you’re spelling it out pretty clearly here. We’ll find out soon enough. Hopefully Tech won’t make it a moot point by losing to Duke Saturday.
Reality
November 15th, 2012
10:26 pm
DawgNole -
I don’t understand why you refuse to believe everyone here PLUS the link to bowls under contract with the ACC. Since you seem to be some hybrid between UGA and FSU (thus your name), it may explain your lack of cognitive skills to understand.
Yes – this list of bowls are under contract with the ACC. Just like the SEC has bowl contracts. Just like every conference has bowl contracts. These contracts have a “pecking order” for their respective bowl where they must take ANY bowl eligible team from that conference. Even a GA Tech team that is 6-8 is bowl eligible – thus, they go bowling.
In fact, there have been years where bowls affiliated (under contract) with conferences “ran out” of bowl eligible teams from that conference. Then and only then can that bowl select a team that is not in the conference that they have a contract with. This actually happened to the SEC a couple of years ago.
With UNC not going to a bowl for sure, and with Miami likely not going to a bowl, that makes two ACC bowl eligible teams (per their records) that cannot go bowling. And, there are many bowls under contract with the ACC. So, this makes GA Tech going bowling somewhere almost for certain if/when we defeat Duke.
First, you had a position that NO bowl would take a 6-8 GA Tech team. Then, you backed off this position a bit and said that NO bowl select a 6-8 team. Now, you actually seem to consider that what EVERYONE tells you is true.
But even now, all you say is “we’ll find out soon enough.” You are too laughable. Some of the fans that post here are old enough to have seen this play out in previous years and KNOW FOR SURE. Some of the fans that post here are knowledgeable enough to KNOW FOR SURE.
Obviously, you don’t fall under either of those two categories. You are truely an ignorant person with a very hard head!
White&Gold
November 15th, 2012
10:42 pm
You criticize us for picking holes in games you’ve won, yet your entire fanbase has come over to our blogs over the course of our last two wins to criticize us. “Maryland was playing an LB at QB.” “You guys gave up 50 points.” Starting to see the hypocrisy in your statement?
Delbert D.
November 15th, 2012
11:04 pm
I have no idea who or which conferences will be playing in specific bowl games this year under the existing contracts. Just look back to last year’s Sugar Bowl, the top SEC tie-in game: Michigan vs. Virginia Tech. Maybe the recently signed new contracts will be different.
Delbert D.
November 15th, 2012
11:14 pm
Also, I put together a list the other day that contains the non-AQ conference teams that are bowl eligible at this moment. I’ve lost count of how many bowl games there are these days…60? 70? Isn’t there a BP Oil Spill Bowl?
Bowl Eligible Mid-Majors and Independents as of Nov.11
CUSA
8-2 UCF (Not eligible*)
8-2 Tulsa
6-4 East Carolina
MAC
9-1 Kent State
9-1 Northern Illinois
8-2 Ohio
8-2 Toledo
7-3 Ball State
7-3 Bowling Green
MWC
8-2 Boise State
8-3 San Diego State
8-3 Fresno State
6-4 Nevada
Sun Belt
7-3 Arkansas State
6-4 Louisiana-Monroe
6-4 Western Kentucky
6-3 Middle Tennessee
WAC
9-1 Louisiana Tech
8-2 San Jose State
8-2 Utah State
Independents
10-0 Notre Dame
6-4 BYU
6-4 Navy
*2012 bowl ban for UCF (2012-2017 probation)
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
11:20 pm
I think there are 35 bowls so 70 teams are needed.
Delbert D.
November 15th, 2012
11:38 pm
51 – I remember an article in the paper by Furman Bisher a long time ago lamenting the fact that there were now 18 bowls.
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
11:49 pm
35 is such a joke…That is do to ESPN needing to fill air time…….
ARdawg
November 15th, 2012
11:54 pm
Bowl eligible doesn’t mean a bowl. Bowl eligible is 6 wins. A team with a 6-7 record is a losing record and while they maybe eligible doesn’t mean a bowl would want them. The bowl committee can simply take another eligible team from the conference rather than take a runner up with a losing record. The bowl game belongs to the Bowl, not the conference. It is the bowl that makes the payout. Conferences do not own nor “push” the bowls around. Certainly not the ACC anyway…LOL
Under the scenario described here, GT would be sitting at the house with a 6-7 record. They’d be better off finishing 6-6 not playing in the ACCCG and might get the Smurf bowl. Hello Boise
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
11:56 pm
Right now there are only 57 teams bowl eligible.
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
11:58 pm
ARdWag….you head is up your butt for sure and you are talking out of it again.
ARdawg
November 16th, 2012
12:05 am
POAD
You are a troll who does nothing but run your mouth on subjects you know nothing about. Try adding something of substance to the discourse or STFU
5150 UOAD
November 16th, 2012
12:09 am
ARdWag….READ I explained it perfectly and have been agreed with by most everyone. You need to get a clue and READ what the bowl tie-in say.
Right now the bowls NEED 13 more teams to become eligible just to fill the 70 slots. Go on ESPN.com and check all the 57 teams eligible right now. Many Bowls will not want some of them even if they have a good record. Get a clue.
1 4 GT
November 16th, 2012
12:12 am
dwagnole is “Carnack” (WnE) in drag & AlabamaRetredDwag is his near sister!
fuzzybee78
November 16th, 2012
12:12 am
Vad Lee interview with Wes— check it out:)
http://www.youtube.com/user/ramblinwrecktube?feature=results_main
ARdawg
November 16th, 2012
12:17 am
There is still 3 weeks to play Troll. There will be plenty of eligible teams to fill the bowls before one has to take Tech with a losing record. Which, no bowl wishes to do. You are a disgusting beggar. Attempting to find some glory in getting into the ACCCG from another team stepping away, knowing you will lose it and think you deserve a bowl. TFF
5150 UOAD
November 16th, 2012
12:19 am
ARdWag look at the eligible teams right now and get back to me with your crap………….
http://espn.go.com/college-football/standings
5150 UOAD
November 16th, 2012
12:25 am
How do you get 3 weeks ARdWag? There are 2 weeks left and Championship week. The ACC is one of the few that is up in the air about who is in the championship game and for sure the only one that is waiting to see if a 6-6 team will play in a CG.
ARdawg
November 16th, 2012
12:27 am
Troll
Quit attempting to make something up to fit your fantasy. GT will play in no bowl with a losing record. Unless of course they have a Loser Bowl at Bobby Dodd
ARdawg
November 16th, 2012
12:31 am
Conference championships are not the only games played on Dec 2, idiot. Conference championships also count to a teams overall record. Why don’t you just back completely out of this conversation before you reveal completely what a fool you truly are?
5150 UOAD
November 16th, 2012
12:40 am
ARdWag you are stupid. The regular season on which Bowl eligibility is determined is a 12 game schedule.
Some other games are played on Championship Week but it still is only for the 12th game.
Shouldn’t you be on the UGA blog crying about Cut blocking and the dWags losing a basketball game and 2 more coming up against 2 top15 teams.
1 4 GT
November 16th, 2012
12:42 am
Vad had a brief but good interview with Wes. The mutt Trolls got fodder for their kaka though. But, I am glad the young man (look at his face he looks about 16) has lofty goals to work for. I wish him much success in that. From what I have seen of him in the games so far, he just might reach his goals. Anyone that didn’t watch the video on youtube, fuzzybee78 put up a link to it @12:12 AM November 16, 2012. I urge to check it out.
5150 UOAD
November 16th, 2012
12:48 am
1 4 GT I saw it. It is good.
ARdWag so you are saying a 6-6 team that can play for their conference championship should turn down that chance to go to a bowl game instead? How STUPID is that? You really are crazy.
5150 UOAD
November 16th, 2012
1:15 am
Bowl-eligibility contingency plan
On August 2, 2012 The NCAA Division I Board of Directors approved a process that would allow 5-7 teams to become bowl eligible, in case there aren’t enough bowl-eligible teams to fill every game. If a bowl has one or more conferences/teams unable to meet their contractual commitments and there are no available bowl-eligible teams, the open spots can be filled – by the bowl sponsoring agencies – as follows:[1]
Teams finishing 6-6 with one win against an FCS team, regardless of whether that FCS school meets NCAA scholarship requirements. Until now, an FCS win only counted if that opponent met the scholarship requirements—specifically, that school had to award at least 90% of the FCS maximum of 63 scholarship equivalents over a two-year period. In the 2012 season, programs in four FCS conferences cannot meet the 90% requirement (56.7 equivalents)—the Ivy League, which prohibits all athletic scholarships; the Patriot League and Pioneer Football League, which do not currently award football scholarships; and the Northeast Conference, which limits football scholarships to 38 equivalents.
6-6 teams with two wins over FCS schools.
Teams that finish 6-7 and lose in the conference championship game are next.
6-7 teams that normally play a 13-team schedule, such as Hawaii’s home opponents. Although Hawaii normally plays a 13-game schedule, it is only playing 12 games this season.
FCS teams who are making the transition to the FBS, if they have at least a 6-6 record.
Finally, the nod would go to 5-7 teams that have a top-5 Academic Progress Rate score. For 2012, these teams are Northwestern, Duke, Boise State, Ohio State, and Northern Illinois. [2] All of these schools have 6 or more wins already, with Ohio State being ineligible due to sanctions.
5150 UOAD
November 16th, 2012
1:57 am
120 teams
-57 bowl eligible now
-34 Not eligible for postseason.
leaving 29 teams to fill 13 bowl slots
of those 29 teams 10 have not real shot at becoming Bowl Eligible
So that leaves 19 teams to fill 13 spots
Some of you saying TECH will not go bowling if they finish 6-7 are not the best at the NUMBERS.
Tech is also a better name brand than some of those 18 teams.
yeller bug
November 16th, 2012
2:22 am
@DogNole aka whatever your other blog name(s) is/are–sorry for my belated response as I’ve been busy—I’ll dumb it down for you again–I was accurate: VT has 4 “conference” losses as we were talking about the ACC championship which has nothing to do with overall record–I also referred to their possibility of not making a bowl implying that they must win out. As to your political/economic opinions, they coincide with the moral/intellectual level of someone who would be giddy about the presidential election results. That in itself says enough.
Regarding football and just sticking with stats—Duke’s passing offense is just behind UGAs in total yds, they throw about 40 times/game and complete 62% which will be a challenge to us especially because they are usually short passes…avg 10 yds/completion. Hard to successfully blitz that kind of dink and dunk passes which we don’t blitz well anyway. The best D for us will be a good offense—Duke gives up the yards and the scores so we’ll need about 7 or 8 (mostly TDs) scores to win.
From the bleachers
November 16th, 2012
9:18 am
It’s doesn’t say much for the ACC when a 4-3 conference and 5-5 overall is leading the Coastal Division and could possibly even be conference champions with a 6-6 or at best 7-5 record. Boy that would make the Organge Bowl Happy!
The New ACC
November 16th, 2012
10:57 am
ARdawg,
I see that you are picking up the stupidity where DawgNole left off….
The ACC conference has contracts with a number of bowls. See the link in a previous message for a list of these bowls. And, these bowls are bound to select any ACC team as long as they are bowl eligible.
The ACC has many bowls under contract. The bowl “pecking order” is also pre-determined. For example, after the BCS game, the Chick-fil-a bowl gets the next pick. There is another bowl’s turn after that. Then another after that. And so on.
For any ACC team to go bowling, they must be “bowl eligible” per the NCAA rules. This means that a team must have a minimum of 6 wins.
For GA Tech, if Tech gets the 6th win (hope to against Duke this weekend), then GA Tech becomes bowl eligible.
Then, GA Tech is allowed to be picked in the “pecking order” from the bowls that the ACC has contracts with. Now, here is where you must read slowly so that you can understand…
There are more contracts with bowls than teams that are bowl eligible in the ACC this year. This is primarily due to UNC being under NCAA penalty and the likelihood that Miami would self impose a bowl ban this year.
So, with more bowl contracts than bowl eligible teams ANY team in the ACC with at least 6 wins will DEFINITELY go bowling. The only other reason this could not happen is if that individual team decides that they don’t want to go.
How could even the most stupid ugag person not understand this?
The New ACC
November 16th, 2012
10:59 am
@From the bleachers -
You comment just shows that the Coastal Division “beats up on each other” a lot. LOL!!!!
Who cares
November 16th, 2012
11:00 am
This is pathetic. Tech fans begging for Miami to self impose so they can win their
division. This is a team that can’t even beat MTSU and BYU.
Just proves how horrible the ACC is
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11:00 am
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The New ACC
November 16th, 2012
1:36 pm
@Who cares,
“Begging?” Your definition of begging is very odd. I see no begging at all in any posts.
ARdawg
November 16th, 2012
1:51 pm
The New ACC
I see that you are as condescending and ignorant as your brethren POAD, that is if you are not him yourself as most of you trolls change names the way most change underwear.
What you need to understand Mr. Ignoramous, no Bowl wants a team with a losing record. Bowls are not contractually bound to take a team from your weak conference with a losing record no matter the “tie-in”. Bowl committees are well aware of the season each prospective team has had. If the #3 or 4 in the ACC bowl pecking order doesn’t have bowl eligible teams left in the conference or teams with losing records chances are they will not pick from your conference. Bowls have standards of the teams they wish to have play in their bowls. Unlikely the Chic-fila will take a team with only 6 wins and to take a 7 win team would be a stretch. 6 wins is bowl eligible but doesn’t guarantee a bowl invite. A losing record with 6 wins almost guarantees no invite will come. Can you name me one team that went to any bowl with a 6-7 record? Take your time
GT Lee
November 16th, 2012
2:57 pm
AR Dwag,
http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/ncf/story/_/id/7316906/ucla-bruins-take-illinois-fighting-illini-kraft-fight-hunger-bowl
Please read the article.
ARdawg
November 16th, 2012
3:10 pm
Well maggot you did find one. “This will be the 31st bowl appearance for UCLA, which needed a special waiver from the NCAA to become bowl eligible after falling to 6-7 with their loss to Oregon on Friday. ”
Can you find another? And good luck with that waiver btw. Although, there’s not much use in applying for it it you can’t beat Duke
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wreckbone
November 17th, 2012
9:36 am
UGA fans on my big again telling us we can’t win. With that offense if its hitting we can outscore about anyone. If we have a talented or clutchqb. Clemson top 10 team. One fumble away from having that one in. hand. So I like our chances. You only blew Johnson out one year.
Dadgum.....
November 17th, 2012
10:45 pm
Again, let me spell this out for you people. Bowls with ACC contractual tie ins are indeed bound to the conference and must take an eligible ACC team. Any conference team that had 6 eligible wins can be selected. A bowl may pass one eligible team in the pecking order to select another conference team as long as that team is within one win of the team passed over. A bowl can only go outside the conference when the conference does not have enough qualifying teams which will happen this year.
The Chicken Bowl this year appears leaning toward Clemson but Clemson may land in a bigger BCS bowl. They are not obligated to take the ACCCG runner up. They have the #2 pick not necessarily the #2 team from the conference. It will be an interesting scenario that unfolds for sure.
Dadgum.....
November 17th, 2012
10:48 pm
Oh yeah, a team with a losing record but with 6 eligible wins is a qualifying team and MUST be selected. UCLA went last year from their conference.