Tech notes: NCAA experts say Miami should self-impose
1. If Georgia Tech defeats Duke on Saturday, it’s possible the Yellow Jackets could win the ACC Coastal Division title on Sunday.
With a win over South Florida on Saturday, Miami will become bowl-eligible. The school, which is under NCAA investigation, has said it will make an announcement regarding its decision on a self-imposed postseason ban after it becomes eligible. Last year, Miami made its announcement the day after it became bowl-eligible, also after a win over South Florida.
If Miami removes itself from the postseason, it will be ineligible to play for the ACC title. In that situation, a Tech win over Duke would give the Jackets the Coastal title with a 5-3 league record and send them to the ACC title game in Charlotte on Dec. 1.
Two NCAA rules experts said it would be in Miami’s interest to take the ban to show its contrition to the NCAA’s committee on infractions.
“I would suppose that they’re probably in line for a multiple-year postseason ban, so it might make sense at this point to get it over with and take it now,” said John Infante, a former NCAA compliance director at two colleges and the author of the acclaimed Bylaw Blog.
“I just think it’d be the best thing for them to do,” said David Ridpath, also a former compliance director at two schools and a sports-administration professor at Ohio University. “I think you have to look more to the future.”
The decision is a gamble either way. There is no way to know conclusively if the infractions committee will give Miami another postseason ban if the school doesn’t do so itself. However, if Miami accepts a bowl bid this year, which would enable the Hurricanes to play in the ACC championship game if it beats Duke on Nov. 24, it’s possible Miami could have a stronger team next year or 2014 be banned from the postseason. Last season, Ohio State was under investigation, but, believing it wouldn’t receive a bowl ban, accepted an invitation to the Gator Bowl.
But the Buckeyes did receive a ban and, as a result, this season’s team, which is 10-0 and ranked No. 6 in the Associated Press poll, has no chance to play in the postseason.
“Ohio State’s experience, it wouldn’t surprise me if that was playing into (Miami’s) decision,” Infante said.
2. Tech quarterback Vad Lee and Duke quarterback Sean Renfree have strong ties to their Saturday opponent. Renfree committed to Tech in 2007, recruited by former coach Chan Gailey. After his hire, coach Paul Johnson made a call to Renfree, a pro-style quarterback.
“I said, ‘This is probably not going to fit you,’” Johnson said. “He said, ‘Yeah, I know.’ I said, ‘Whatever we can do to help you (let us know). I wish you luck.’ He’s had a great career. Made a good choice.”
Lee grew up in Durham, N.C., and developed a close relationship with Duke coach David Cutcliffe and assistants.
“Vad was over here a lot,” Cutcliffe said on the ACC coaches teleconference. “The (high) school is not very far away. Just used to sit and talk.”
Cutcliffe spoke with fondness and respect for Lee, who said Tuesday that “I love the coaching staff there.”
“He’s a fine young man, fine family,” Cutcliffe said. “And, I’ll be honest with you, I’m very proud of Vad and what he’s accomplished.”
3. Kickers David Scully and Justin Moore will not play because of injuries, meaning that walk-on Chris Tanner will play for the second game in a row. Tanner took kickoffs, field goals and extra points Saturday in the win over North Carolina. He made both of his field-goal attempts and all eight extra points.
Safety Jemea Thomas was held out of practice Wednesday with an undisclosed injury. Johnson said he expected him to return Thursday. Johnson maintained his stance that offensive tackle Will Jackson probably will not play with a shoulder injury.
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5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
12:34 pm
Jeff Schultz is taking his time posting his Weekend Predictions……
GT TN
November 15th, 2012
12:42 pm
@ dawgnole..you need to learn to understand what you are reading..I was talking about UGA..they got smoked at USC and barely won at UF and UF hard 6 turnovers..never said Uga had 6..my research is fine
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
12:44 pm
The New ACC
November 15th, 2012
11:59 am
DawgNole -
You are wrong. If GA Tech defeats Duke, Tech is bowl eligible. Even if there are losses to UGA and then with another possible loss to FSU in the ACC title game, Tech is still bowl eligible.
And, the ACC already has contracts with enough bowls sufficient for Tech to go bowling. Now, will GA Tech and CPJ want to go bowling with that record is a different issue. My guess is that they will in order to maintain the streak of bowl appearances.
So then, again, you are wrong.
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I didn’t say Tech wouldn’t be bowl eligible, did I? I said they “won’t have to worry” about a bowl if they lose to UGA and FSU–in which case they would be 6-7. Are you sure that a bowl would select a team with a losing record?
So no, I’m not wrong.
So then, again, I’m not wrong.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
12:48 pm
George Stein
November 15th, 2012
11:47 am
I might be wrong on this, but the only way a team wins is by outscoring the opponent, right? I can’t recall a time where the opposite has held true.
George Stein
November 15th, 2012
11:52 am
I appreciate all the UGA fans here using good grammar. This represents a real departure from the usual and gives me hope for a rational discourse over the next two weeks.
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I believe you’re correct, George–both about outscoring opponents and about UGA fans’ good grammar.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
1:25 pm
GT TN
November 15th, 2012
12:42 pm
@ dawgnole..you need to learn to understand what you are reading..I was talking about UGA..they got smoked at USC and barely won at UF and UF hard 6 turnovers..never said Uga had 6..my research is fine
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You didn’t say UF “hard” 6 turnovers. Here’s what you did say:
“UGA has a great record but has shown holes..they got smoked at USC and i think they got 6 TO’s at UF and barely won that game.”
UGA has a great record . . . THEY got smoked . . . THEY got 6 TOs at UF . . . .
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Actually, the game wasn’t at UF. Maybe if you simply wrote a little more clearly. I know George Stein would appreciate it–as would I.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
1:28 pm
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
12:34 pm
Jeff Schultz is taking his time posting his Weekend Predictions……
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It does seem like that’s been his practice lately. I like to see his picks first so I know what not to pick. (Just kiddin’.)
GT TN
November 15th, 2012
1:42 pm
I know where the game is..sorry I should have said against UF
Buzzed
November 15th, 2012
2:12 pm
So you don’t have to be the tallest midget to win the acc coastal?
1 4 GT
November 15th, 2012
3:51 pm
Supersize, you out there?
ga tech
November 15th, 2012
3:55 pm
If tech beats duke, then they will beat uga and lose to fla st in charlotte. Then met uga again in chik fila bowl!
Pepper
November 15th, 2012
4:13 pm
3 bucks….ACCCG tix….you can buy an entire section…how cool is that?
10 of 11 Supersize and 14GT
November 15th, 2012
5:01 pm
I missed out on some good conversation this afternoon. I like what you had to say DawgNole. Tech fans like GT Tenn can try and poke holes in our schedule, games we won, and current record but at 5-5 we don’t have to poke at them. They are leaking badly already.
I just don’t get how UGA playing a couple close games but still winning and then also not blowing out a few teams until later in games compares to a team that has lost 5 games to mediocre talent at best (outside of Clemson) and all but one of those losses was by more than 14 points.
If you want to do comparisons here are some: Middle Tennessee = terrible losing to Miss State 45 -7 yet beat Tech worse than they did Florida Atlantic (21 point loss at home). VA Tech has 6 losses (not much to say there). BYU is mediocre this season at best and blew Tech out of the stadium in Atlanta, Miami is also mediocre at best and beat Tech in Atlanta (a game a good team would have put away when given the chance), and lastly Clemson is great on offense but plays zero defense and struggled with Auburn because of that D (Also losing to FSU because of a poor D). The best team you have played this year is Clemson and I believe they went for over 600 yards against your D.
How about that for comparisons GT Tenn??? Hope you are still feeling confident because writing this sure made me feel bad for you.
Todd
November 15th, 2012
5:09 pm
If Tech gets into the ACC championship by beating Duke and losing to UGA, they will be 6-6. If they lose the championship game–which seems quite likely–they are no longer bowl eligible. How’s that for a smack in the face?
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
5:24 pm
Todd………how can tech be Bowl eligible one week then a week later not be bowl eligible? Math is not your strong suit I guess.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
5:25 pm
Todd
November 15th, 2012
5:09 pm
If Tech gets into the ACC championship by beating Duke and losing to UGA, they will be 6-6. If they lose the championship game–which seems quite likely–they are no longer bowl eligible. How’s that for a smack in the face?
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Take a look at the 11:59 a.m. post by “The New ACC.” He obviously disagrees with you, and with me–even though I said only that Tech wouldn’t have to worry about a bowl if they finish 6-7.
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
5:32 pm
Tech will finish the regular season at 6-6 that makes them Bowl Eligible….Losing in the CG will not take them out of a bowl…. The ACC CG loser is contracted to go to a Bowl.
GT TN
November 15th, 2012
5:37 pm
@10 of 11..when have you ever seen me say that we have had a great year..I wasn’t comparing schedules or wins and loses..I made the comment that I thought GT had a chance to win if things go right..correct me where Im wrong..UK gained over 325 yards on UGA..UK only gained over 260 yards on 4 teams..UGA gave up 44 points to UT..i have said games like that let me know we could stay with UGA and then anything could happen..I have also said that games like MTSU shows me GT can’t win..if GT has a team effort and we get some TO’s I think GT has a good chance to win..
GT TN
November 15th, 2012
5:42 pm
@ Todd please quit typing about things that you don’t know..if Tech gets it 6th win they are bowl eli..if they lose the champ game that doesn’t change anything..all you have to do is look back 1 year to UCLA..finished season 6-6 and then lost to Oreg in champ game..they went to a bowl game
Delbert D.
November 15th, 2012
5:48 pm
Last season UCLA went to a bowl with a 6-7 record. They finished 6-8. With all of that “extra bowl practice time,” surely that is responsible for their 8-2 record at this point. Even with Jim McKay as head coach.
I think Georgia Tech at this point to strive to beat Duke on Saturday, and then they should focus on the next game. The University of Miami corpus delicti – mea culpa issue with the NCAA should matter not a whit.
GT TN
November 15th, 2012
5:50 pm
@ 10 of 11..You saw GT has played 1 good team all year..I can say UGA has only played 2 good teams..they were smoked by one of them and UF gave them the 2nd with 6 TO’s..so GT is 0-1 against good teams and UGA is 1-1 against good teams..I’m not scared of the UGA schedule..UGA has the 9th toughest schedule in the SEC..
GT TN
November 15th, 2012
6:03 pm
With a win on Sat the Jackets are 5-3 in conf..when was the last time GT was 5-3 in conf..2008..what happen in 2008..the good guys 45 and the scum 42..lets go out and beat Duke
superDawg
November 15th, 2012
6:08 pm
tn The #14 team in the SEC would be #1 right now in the acc coastal so what is your point.The UGA “D” is going to put a smack down on your gt beehind and the “O” is going to show you what a running attack really is.Put on your seat belt and K.M.A.
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
6:15 pm
superDawg
November 15th, 2012
6:08 pm
tn The #14 team in the SEC would be #1 right now in the acc coastal
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And what EXACTLY are you basing that on?
GT TN
November 15th, 2012
6:16 pm
@ superDawg..I have a ton of UGA fans and dawg fans like you embarrass them..once again a dawg opens his mouth and he just starts talking..nothing coming out is factua or even close to the truth..I can’t believe you are bringing up the bottom of the SEC..I know why you mention them..5 of the 6 worst teams in the conf are on your schedule..the same schedule that will keep you out of NC game if you beat GT and Ala..a 1 lost ND, Oreg and KState would still play..have to hate that you will be the first sec team in years to win conf and get left out of NC game
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
6:18 pm
StupordWag
Tennessee 0-6 4-6
x – Kentucky 0-7 1-9
x – Auburn 0-7 2-8
Which one of these #14 SEC teams would win the Coastal?
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
7:04 pm
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
5:32 pm
Tech will finish the regular season at 6-6 that makes them Bowl Eligible….Losing in the CG will not take them out of a bowl…. The ACC CG loser is contracted to go to a Bowl.
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How do you already know that they’ll finish the reg season 6-6? They have two more games to play. As far as the bowls, I think the question remains, which bowl would take a team with a losing record? Do you know which bowl?
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
7:10 pm
GT TN
November 15th, 2012
5:42 pm
@ Todd please quit typing about things that you don’t know..if Tech gets it 6th win they are bowl eli..if they lose the champ game that doesn’t change anything..all you have to do is look back 1 year to UCLA..finished season 6-6 and then lost to Oreg in champ game..they went to a bowl game
Delbert D.
November 15th, 2012
5:48 pm
Last season UCLA went to a bowl with a 6-7 record. They finished 6-8. With all of that “extra bowl practice time,” surely that is responsible for their 8-2 record at this point. Even with Jim McKay as head coach.
I think Georgia Tech at this point to strive to beat Duke on Saturday, and then they should focus on the next game. The University of Miami corpus delicti – mea culpa issue with the NCAA should matter not a whit.
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But wasn’t UCLA in that PAC 12 CG only because USC was on probation? I seem to recall that they made a special exception there.
I agree with Delbert as far as focusing on the NEXT game (Duke in your case). Same way I feel about UGA, which needs to worry about Ga Southern, Ga Tech, and Bama BEFORE beginning any NC game talk.
jeffjacket
November 15th, 2012
7:11 pm
@dawgnole —- ask UCLA.
you know i have always heard , people who are scared talk alot.
Vad and CPJ got you quaking in your boots !!!
GO JACKETS!!!! TO HELL WITH GEORGIA!!!
Reality
November 15th, 2012
7:20 pm
@DawgNole -
Yes, you are wrong. Any ACC team that is bowl eligible will be “invited” to a bowl this year – and this includes GA Tech after beating Duke this weekend. Tech can lose to UGA and also in the ACC title game, but Tech will still be going bowling.
Why? Because the ACC has contracts with enough bowls to ensure that any ACC team with 6 wins will go bowling. This is especially true since UNC cannot go due to NCAA penalties and the odds that Miami won’t go due to self imposed penalty.
So again – yes, you are wrong.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
7:20 pm
jeffjacket
November 15th, 2012
7:11 pm
@dawgnole —- ask UCLA.
you know i have always heard , people who are scared talk alot.
Vad and CPJ got you quaking in your boots !!!
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Ask UCLA what?
I don’t know about quaking in my boots, but Lee certainly did a fine job last week–and no doubt opened some eyes. My biggest fear as far as the UGA-Tech game is that the Dawgs will be battling two major enemies–especially considering their recent history with the Jackets: (1) complacency and (2) overconfidence. Their success–or lack of same–in overcoming those two factors will determine how they fare against Tech. I hope Lee’s performance last week will serve as an eye-opener in Athens.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
7:32 pm
Reality
November 15th, 2012
7:20 pm
@DawgNole -
Yes, you are wrong. Any ACC team that is bowl eligible will be “invited” to a bowl this year – and this includes GA Tech after beating Duke this weekend. Tech can lose to UGA and also in the ACC title game, but Tech will still be going bowling.
Why? Because the ACC has contracts with enough bowls to ensure that any ACC team with 6 wins will go bowling. This is especially true since UNC cannot go due to NCAA penalties and the odds that Miami won’t go due to self imposed penalty.
So again – yes, you are wrong.
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Once again, I did NOT say Tech would be ineligible. I asked which bowl would select a losing team (6-7, asssuming you beat Duke and lose to UGA) from a football-weak conference as one of its participants? Nobody else on this blog seems to know. Do you? Why would a bowl contractually agree to such a farce?
Didn’t last year’s UCLA situation represent the first time a losing team went to (not emerged from) a bowl game?
So no, I’m not wrong (and I hope you’re not in your pronouncement of a Tech victory Saturday) I’m simply asking a question: Which bowl selects a losing team from a football-weak conference?
10 out of 11 supersized 14 GT
November 15th, 2012
7:37 pm
GT Tenn did you really just say a 1 loss ND, K State, or Oregon would be in the NC game ahead of a 1 loss sec champion UGA team? Hopefully I am misreading your post there. If not then even your “elite” group of UGA fans that would be so embarrassed by my posts would be dumbfounded by that. You can’t be serious???
Not a likely scenario at all but trust me and I would bet any amount of money if that scenario played out UGA would be in and you are way off.
If you didn’t mean it to read that way my apologies.
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
7:44 pm
The Peach Chic-fil-A
Orange
BCS
Belk
Military
Music
Blue Turf
Champs
Sun
Are the ones the ACC has tie-in to.
White&Gold
November 15th, 2012
7:49 pm
UGA being in the National Championship this year would be a travesty. It’s reserved for the two “best” teams in college football. Not some pretender.
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
7:51 pm
dWagNole being that you are a fan of an ACC team I would think you know the ACC bowls but here is the link.
http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/12-acc-postseason-bowls.html
1 4 GT
November 15th, 2012
8:01 pm
DawgNole….11-15-2012….10:53 AM….I did say UFl had 6 to’s (Ga got 6 to’s) & y’all were about to give up a score when they made their 6th to. Without the to’s, I wonder if Georgie wins.
10 out of 11 supersized 14 GT
November 15th, 2012
8:05 pm
Thanks white&slow. The feeling is mutual about u guys playing in a bowl game after losing by 21 points to middle Tennessee at home.
ARdawg
November 15th, 2012
8:05 pm
AFAIK, no bowl has to take any team with a losing record. Contract or not makes no difference
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
8:14 pm
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
7:51 pm
dWagNole being that you are a fan of an ACC team I would think you know the ACC bowls but here is the link.
http://www.theacc.com/sports/m-footbl/12-acc-postseason-bowls.html
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Thanks for the link. Useful info. So are you saying one of these bowls MUST select Tech if the Jackets finish the year 6-7?
That’s what I’m questioning. I just can’t believe a bowl would agree contractually to take a losing team. ARdawg apparently agrees–albeit w/o a reference.
1 4 GT
November 15th, 2012
8:18 pm
DawgNole….wrong….kinda….again…..Duke vs VT 41-20….Duke Vs FSU 48-7……………….. 41-20….21 pt diff not 3….is kinda close….48-7……………………….41 pt diff is in the “about 50″ range to me….both were away games for Duke DawgNole says Dadgum has no credibility. I question DwagNole’s credibility. He is nitpicking over a few points here in someone else’s post & misread a post my me yesterday.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
8:24 pm
1 4 GT
November 15th, 2012
8:01 pm
DawgNole….11-15-2012….10:53 AM….I did say UFl had 6 to’s (Ga got 6 to’s) & y’all were about to give up a score when they made their 6th to. Without the to’s, I wonder if Georgie wins.
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In which post did you say “UFl had 6 to’s (Ga got 6 to’s) & y’all were about to give up a score when they made their 6th to”? I couldn’t find that.
Like you, I wonder if UGA could’ve won without the fla turnovers; I don’t believe so.
1 4 GT
November 15th, 2012
8:25 pm
DwagNole…..just who died & decreed you “god”?? You are making a total azz of yourself with your self righteous holier-than-thou attitudes. Criticizing everyone else & making errors in your own posts.
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
8:29 pm
DwagNole…..I think YES one of those bowls has to take the ACC CG runner up. That means Tech has to beat DUKE and get in the ACC CG. If Tech doesn’t go to the ACC CG then they may not go to a bowl. There is a chance there will not be enough bowl eligible teams to fill all the bowls right now. UNC and maybe Miami are 2 from the ACC don’t forget Ohio State can’t go. I don’t even know all the teams that the NCAA has on some kinda probation.
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
8:33 pm
Sorry if Tech beats Duke and doesn’t go to the ACC CG then Tech is still Bowl Eligible.
White&Gold
November 15th, 2012
8:34 pm
Yet needing an acting perfomance from you punter to secure a victory over 1-9 Kentucky is better? We’re bad this year, but we’re certainly no pretender.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
8:41 pm
1 4 GT
November 15th, 2012
8:18 pm
DawgNole….wrong….kinda….again…..Duke vs VT 41-20….Duke Vs FSU 48-7……………….. 41-20….21 pt diff not 3….is kinda close….48-7……………………….41 pt diff is in the “about 50″ range to me….both were away games for Duke DawgNole says Dadgum has no credibility. I question DwagNole’s credibility. He is nitpicking over a few points here in someone else’s post & misread a post my me yesterday.
1 4 GT
November 15th, 2012
8:25 pm
DwagNole…..just who died & decreed you “god”?? You are making a total azz of yourself with your self righteous holier-than-thou attitudes. Criticizing everyone else & making errors in your own posts.
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You’re starting to get in over your head now. Nine points is not “a few.” 41 is “about 40″–not “about 50,” as Dadgum indicated. He also said Duke lost by 18 (not “about 18″) to Va Tech; 21 is not 18. He also said “At home they (Duke) lost to FSU by about 50.” Duke played that game in Tallahassee–not “at home.”
As far as misreading your post, there was no misread at all. I was questioning GT TN’s post about UGA TOs “at UF”; the game wasn’t at UF.
Feel free to show me the “errors” in my posts. If I’ve questioned someone else’s post(s), I’ve copied it first–word for word–so there is no question about what was said.
Dadgum has no credibility, and yours is beginning to erode.
1 4 GT
November 15th, 2012
8:45 pm
I’m not sitting here arguing with you sons of biscuits any longer. Y’all win. You’re only here to stir kaka & agitate anyway. Well, have at it. Play your silly games with others. G’nite all.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
8:46 pm
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
8:29 pm
DwagNole…..I think YES one of those bowls has to take the ACC CG runner up. That means Tech has to beat DUKE and get in the ACC CG. If Tech doesn’t go to the ACC CG then they may not go to a bowl. There is a chance there will not be enough bowl eligible teams to fill all the bowls right now. UNC and maybe Miami are 2 from the ACC don’t forget Ohio State can’t go. I don’t even know all the teams that the NCAA has on some kinda probation.
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If one of those bowls MUST by contract select a 6-7 team (Tech in this case, under the previously documented assumptions), I’ll be shocked–and I’ll also be on here saying that you were correct.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
8:52 pm
1 4 GT
November 15th, 2012
8:45 pm
I’m not sitting here arguing with you sons of biscuits any longer. Y’all win. You’re only here to stir kaka & agitate anyway. Well, have at it. Play your silly games with others. G’nite all.
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Oh, pleeeeeeeeeeze don’t leave!
I’m not trying to stir & agitate anything. I’ve posted more than a few times that I always pull for Tech to win every game they play except against UGA and FSU.
Tonight’s topic of interest to me is whether or not a bowl MUST select a 6-7 team. 5150 seems to think so, but I’d be very surprised.
Dadgum.....
November 15th, 2012
9:10 pm
Well since I have no credibility. Chew on this DawgNole. The bowls under contract with the ACC, which is 8 with an option for a 9th, must take an eligible ACC team. An eligible ACC team is any team with 6 wins of which one may be a non-D1 FBS team if the eligible team in question plays a 12 game schedule. It makes no difference the overall record after the ACCCG. A bowl may skip a team in line for their pick if the team they want is within one win of the team they are passing over. Thus the Chickn Bowl is not bound to the loser of the ACCCG at all. It is also very doubtful they have Tech on their wish list. This looks like a slot for Clemson for sure.
As for pathetic Duke they just got pasted by FSU and Clemson by a combined 104-27. Lost to VT 41-20. Do the math idiot. So I got the venues at FSU mixed up. Duke is pathetic. Go check their schedule and wins. Flat out ugly.
Rock on….beeatch.