Tech notes: NCAA experts say Miami should self-impose
1. If Georgia Tech defeats Duke on Saturday, it’s possible the Yellow Jackets could win the ACC Coastal Division title on Sunday.
With a win over South Florida on Saturday, Miami will become bowl-eligible. The school, which is under NCAA investigation, has said it will make an announcement regarding its decision on a self-imposed postseason ban after it becomes eligible. Last year, Miami made its announcement the day after it became bowl-eligible, also after a win over South Florida.
If Miami removes itself from the postseason, it will be ineligible to play for the ACC title. In that situation, a Tech win over Duke would give the Jackets the Coastal title with a 5-3 league record and send them to the ACC title game in Charlotte on Dec. 1.
Two NCAA rules experts said it would be in Miami’s interest to take the ban to show its contrition to the NCAA’s committee on infractions.
“I would suppose that they’re probably in line for a multiple-year postseason ban, so it might make sense at this point to get it over with and take it now,” said John Infante, a former NCAA compliance director at two colleges and the author of the acclaimed Bylaw Blog.
“I just think it’d be the best thing for them to do,” said David Ridpath, also a former compliance director at two schools and a sports-administration professor at Ohio University. “I think you have to look more to the future.”
The decision is a gamble either way. There is no way to know conclusively if the infractions committee will give Miami another postseason ban if the school doesn’t do so itself. However, if Miami accepts a bowl bid this year, which would enable the Hurricanes to play in the ACC championship game if it beats Duke on Nov. 24, it’s possible Miami could have a stronger team next year or 2014 be banned from the postseason. Last season, Ohio State was under investigation, but, believing it wouldn’t receive a bowl ban, accepted an invitation to the Gator Bowl.
But the Buckeyes did receive a ban and, as a result, this season’s team, which is 10-0 and ranked No. 6 in the Associated Press poll, has no chance to play in the postseason.
“Ohio State’s experience, it wouldn’t surprise me if that was playing into (Miami’s) decision,” Infante said.
2. Tech quarterback Vad Lee and Duke quarterback Sean Renfree have strong ties to their Saturday opponent. Renfree committed to Tech in 2007, recruited by former coach Chan Gailey. After his hire, coach Paul Johnson made a call to Renfree, a pro-style quarterback.
“I said, ‘This is probably not going to fit you,’” Johnson said. “He said, ‘Yeah, I know.’ I said, ‘Whatever we can do to help you (let us know). I wish you luck.’ He’s had a great career. Made a good choice.”
Lee grew up in Durham, N.C., and developed a close relationship with Duke coach David Cutcliffe and assistants.
“Vad was over here a lot,” Cutcliffe said on the ACC coaches teleconference. “The (high) school is not very far away. Just used to sit and talk.”
Cutcliffe spoke with fondness and respect for Lee, who said Tuesday that “I love the coaching staff there.”
“He’s a fine young man, fine family,” Cutcliffe said. “And, I’ll be honest with you, I’m very proud of Vad and what he’s accomplished.”
3. Kickers David Scully and Justin Moore will not play because of injuries, meaning that walk-on Chris Tanner will play for the second game in a row. Tanner took kickoffs, field goals and extra points Saturday in the win over North Carolina. He made both of his field-goal attempts and all eight extra points.
Safety Jemea Thomas was held out of practice Wednesday with an undisclosed injury. Johnson said he expected him to return Thursday. Johnson maintained his stance that offensive tackle Will Jackson probably will not play with a shoulder injury.
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tiebreaker
November 15th, 2012
8:22 am
… and if South Florida beats Miami, back to the waiting room.
gt4ever
November 15th, 2012
8:25 am
Thanks for reading. Please remember using someone else’s handle is a bannable offense. Please practice civility.
Funny, I feel like I am in elementary school again… I mean really.. Will I get sent to time out for denigrating someone … LOL
Associated Press
November 15th, 2012
8:43 am
ATLANTA – Paul Johnson says Miami should self-impose. In other news, reports show that Senator Gyrich may have been mauled by a bear.
Dadgum.....
November 15th, 2012
8:48 am
Folks, don’t put Duke on some pedestal by thinking they are good or something. They are not a real good team. Check out their record and who they have beaten. Nobody. They won their rivalry game at home against UNC on a last second miracle. At home they lost to FSU by about 50. Clemson ditto. At VT, Duke was up early 20-0 in the 1st quarter and didn’t score again losing by 18. Sure, Duke will get some points on our D because they can sling the ball a bit but no way in hell they can out score us. Just because Duke is going to the Belk Bowl in Charlotte doesn’t mean they are good.
I have predicted GT 59-30 as the final score. It may not be that close. If we lose to Duke I will send Paul Johnson an email demanding he resign. Duke is that bad and GT will have fallen into a huge hole that I don’t want to see him dig out of.
Rock on…..
tooltime432
November 15th, 2012
9:02 am
Guys I wnt usto do well as much as anybody but this beat Duke, UGA, FSU, and challenge the rebels for control of the empire talk is crazy. Our defense is terrible. Could we win any of those game? I think maybe but I don’t know how everyone is so optamistic just because of the UNC game. I think the offense can keep the game close but both of those teams have good d’s that will get some stops. Also whoever said UGA got smoked by USC, that is true but they have an insane front 4 that can generate a pash rush. We don’t have anything that can remotely be called a pass rush. Let’s just beat Duke first…..
hedgepruner
November 15th, 2012
9:06 am
Lets beat this “Much improved Duke team” and let the rest play out .Our Defense is the worst I have seen in many years (I am 56) and a Tech fan since 2nd grade 1964. CPJ better bring in a decent defensive staff and get rid of the cast of characters he has right now because they are really terrible, when MTSU came to our house and lit us up for 40 plus points that was the telling sign that we were in deep trouble. Hopefully we can get bowl eligible and keep the uga game close without really embarrassing ourselves and this will give many of our young players little more time to mature and get ready for a big 2013 season….THWG !!!!!!!!!!!
Jacket Detective
November 15th, 2012
9:06 am
I lived in Charlotte for a year and want to go back (for a weekend anyway).
For those who need some weekly grease (for your joints or something), you are in luck.
JD is here to show the way.
South 21 Drive In.
Since 1955 and still Charlotte’s No. 1 and Favorite Drive In.
3631 South Blvd.
Between Clanton and Scaleybark Roads.
Says on the flyer the Oasis of the hamburger but I always got the fried fish and onion rings.
I was so impressed with the place I saved the flyer.
Or found it on the floor when I finally got around to cleaning up my van.
Beat Duke and we are on our way.
When the Cardinals sneak into the playoffs, do they say “we are unworthy”?
No they don’t.
Far from it.
They say “man, will a lot of folks be pissed if we get on a roll now.”
Their opponents fear those unworthies are going to steal the prize that they have worked all year for.
I’m familiar with that role if Tech needs any help with it.
DO IT JACKETS.
Billyho taught me that.
Thanks.
GT Dude
November 15th, 2012
9:07 am
let’s just focus on the task at hand, beat the Dookies
If better things happen for us, great, but without a win this weekend we can’t even begin the journey
Gooooo Jackets!
BTW – I went to the new and improved mammary gland last night, it is very impressive
tooltime432
November 15th, 2012
9:17 am
At least I don’t think effort will be a problem in this game. There is plenty to play for so we shouldn’t roll over and take it like the MTSU game
Pepper Rodgers
November 15th, 2012
9:25 am
On the bright side, tickets to the ACCCG are going for 3 bicks each. THREE bucks!
Ken Sugiura
November 15th, 2012
9:27 am
gt4ever – try it and find out. lol.
Jacket Detective
November 15th, 2012
9:38 am
The bowl game, VT and especially the Miami game did to us what the 1980 playoff loss to Dallas did to the Falcons who also blew a 17 point lead.
Al Groh could not admit to himself he was a member of the multi-millionaire class getting paid millions for no work.
Welfare for the rich actually.
So he pulled a trojan horse of sorts on us and put our ship in distress.
Wrecking one program ws not enough for that money.
The Falcons were wrecked for years after their collapse.
No one blamed Bartkowski though he did little in the 4th qt.
The team and coaches should be credited for righting the ship so soon and avoiding disaster.
And having a spunky 2nd stringer ready to show his stuff, yes, is a big part of it too.
Go Jackets.
GT Joe
November 15th, 2012
10:07 am
The post below by Jacket Detective after the Vad Lee pick 6 vs. UNC. Calling for Tevin to re-enter the game. Hilarious(ly ignorant)!
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Jacket Detective
November 10th, 2012
3:23 pm
I’m almost glad that happened.
All the no nothings wanted us to eat crow.
Think Kammeron Holsey.
He stopped the comeback because the freshmen were not ready too last night.
Brock
November 15th, 2012
10:07 am
I think if you are a Tech player then you want a chance to get to THE game. THE GAME being the ACC Championship, a bowl, whatever. At least you are there and you have a chance. If you don’t go you don’t know.
Atlantan
November 15th, 2012
10:33 am
GT just needs to worry about beating Duke. I’ve followed GT football for 30+ years and it is the same old stuff. Everyone counts their chickens and then a dud – tied UNC in 1990, 1999 lost to Wake, 2006 lost to Wake again, 2009 lost to Ugag, and countless bowl losses….
GT fans never learn – focus on the next game. I’ll go out on a limb and pick Duke to win Saturday due to all of this nonsensical talk….
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
10:38 am
As an FSU fan, I’d MUCH rather play Tech in the ACCCG. We’ve already played–and beaten–Miami and Duke. Also, those last two losses we had to Tech still sting. Would be nice to have the opportunity to avenge those. Obviously, we still have to get past Md, which we SHOULD do w/o major problems. Of course, we SHOULD have beaten NCST w/o major problems; then we’d be in the NC discussions. Woulda/coulda/shoulda.
buzzwax
November 15th, 2012
10:44 am
Beat Duke and Duke beating Miami, fine. If we EARN going to the ACCCG then fine. But ‘backing’ in with Miami self imposing, that would be CRAP. I guess GT can’t control what Miami will do.
BEATING DUKE AND BEATING THEM BADLY SHOULD BE THE ONLY POINT OF INTEREST FOR GT!!!!
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
10:44 am
yellowfever
November 14th, 2012
10:06 pm
lose to UGA, lose to Fla. State, lose bowl game. 6 & 8 record. Please spare me the grief.
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Assuming you beat Duke, if you lose to UGA and FSU, you won’t have to worry any bowl game.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
10:48 am
yeller bug
November 15th, 2012
12:07 am
It’s been a different kind of year—VT has 4 losses and may not make a bowl game . . . .
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Va Tech has SIX losses this year–so far.
GIVE ME A BREAK
November 15th, 2012
10:51 am
UGA can show GT how to back into a title. Come on, pups.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
10:53 am
GT TN
November 15th, 2012
12:13 am
@14 GT..it would be real sweet..it seems Tech wins the GT/UGA more when we aren’t expected to win than when we think we should win..I think it will be a good one..UGA has a great record but has shown holes..they got smoked at USC and i think they got 6 TO’s at UF and barely won that game..if our D can get a few stops anything can happen..UK looked like world beaters against them and we know what UK has done against everyone this year.
1 4 GT
November 15th, 2012
12:37 am
GT TN….all that you said is true.
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You guys need to sharpen your research/memory skills. The 6 turnovers in the UGA-fla game were by the gators–not the Dawgs. No, 1 4 GT, all that GT TN said is NOT true.
yeller bug
November 15th, 2012
10:55 am
To my responder who is afraid to use their real blog name—lighten up dude or dudette, it’s a joke, but since you don’t get it, let me dumb it down for you—it’s called an analogy—you can look it up–but it is where you use something of a different subject and nature to describe a current situation—my point was that despite a dreadful record, GT has a shot to win the ACC and compared that to the less than stellar performance (dreadful record) by our president and the fact that he won re-election. Elaborating on the analogy….we’ve increased our national debt more in the last 4 years than in the history of the nation…GT has given up more points than in the history of the school….gas prices has increased significantly…our 3rd down stop % has increased significantly (at least GT did something by firing the coach)…unemployment has remained stubbornly high….although we’ve had 2 KO returns for a TD, our special teams still struggle with missed or blocked FGs, giving up a blocked punt and our passing yards/game is still ranked in the bottom quartile of FBS teams. Does that help clarify it for you? If you want to continue the analogy for the future then one could point to various commentary that GT cannot recruit and without good players our program will continue to decline, fans will leave thus creating financial issues for the school until GT football is in shambles. Therefore we should get rid of CPJ now [I personally do not agree with this viewpoint] and as the ANALOGY if our nation cannot create more jobs then our productivity will decline, our debt will increase causing fiancial issues, people will create petitions for their state to secede and call for the impeachment of Obama.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
10:58 am
so guys
November 15th, 2012
12:45 am
IF and i mean a big IF we got to the accc game…. which team would you rather play and why?
me? i think that fsu has a stouter d and a similarly good passing attach as clemson. clemson on the other hand may have a better running attack and clemson has seen us before?
i would be happy to play either team at this point but i kinda lean to playing clemson due to their lessor d.
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It’s not like you have much of a choice. If FSU beats 31-point underdog Md Saturday, the Noles go to the ACCCG by virtue of their head-to-head victory over Clemson.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
11:05 am
gt4ever
November 15th, 2012
8:25 am
Thanks for reading. Please remember using someone else’s handle is a bannable offense. Please practice civility.
Funny, I feel like I am in elementary school again… I mean really.. Will I get sent to time out for denigrating someone … LOL
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No. Just don’t denigrate under someone else’s handle.
Tech Guy
November 15th, 2012
11:09 am
Some of you people are assuming UGA will beat Ga. Southern. What if they don’t?
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
11:12 am
Dadgum…..
November 15th, 2012
8:48 am
Folks, don’t put Duke on some pedestal by thinking they are good or something. They are not a real good team. Check out their record and who they have beaten. Nobody. They won their rivalry game at home against UNC on a last second miracle. At home they lost to FSU by about 50. Clemson ditto. At VT, Duke was up early 20-0 in the 1st quarter and didn’t score again losing by 18.
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Duke didn’t play FSU at home. Duke didn’t lose to FSU by “about 50.” Duke didn’t lose to Va Tech by 18.
“Dadgum” has little if any credibility.
Jacket Detective
November 15th, 2012
11:12 am
Buy some tickets GT Joe.
Until then u r just a wannabe fan hiding out at home and letting other team’s fans rule Bobby Dodd stadium.
Good thing this year’s game is not in Atlanta.
Dawg fans would have already bought up 3/4 of the seats.
headley lamar
November 15th, 2012
11:14 am
Mitt Romney said Hispanics should “self deport” too
How did that work out ?
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
11:20 am
headley lamar………….about as well as Obama’s $9 billion on Green Businesses that now only have 9000 jobs left and all those Shovel Ready Jobs the stimulus was going to create.
The possibilities of a Coastal tie at 4-4 | Georgia Tech
November 15th, 2012
11:29 am
[...] Notes: NCAA experts say Miami should self-impose [...]
Roger Podacter
November 15th, 2012
11:30 am
I guess GT having the division championship literally handed to them by the same team that beat them on Tech’s own field COULD be satisfying. Maybe it’ll make up for having the 2009 division title snatched from away them for their own NCAA misadventures. When you’ve had the type of football teams that the Jackets have fielded for the better part of this century, it must not matter how you get a championship. Whatever – good luck to GT if they do get the division.
@GT TN – Keep on rationalizing. Your reasoning is some of the most convoluted logic I’ve run across in a while – creative, but tortured. Comparing scores is not a useful barometer for predicting the outcome of future games. Ask Alabama. UGA will be favored by double digits against Tech for good reason, and it’s NOT so that the Jackets will get some psychological boost from being underdogs.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
11:40 am
yeller bug
November 15th, 2012
10:55 am
To my responder who is afraid to use their real blog name—lighten up dude or dudette, it’s a joke, but since you don’t get it, let me dumb it down for you—it’s called an analogy—you can look it up–but it is where you use something of a different subject and nature to describe a current situation
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Not sure you’re addressing me, but since I did respond to your erroneous 12:07 a.m. post, I’ll respond to this even more ignorant one as well.
You said Va Tech has 4 losses when instead they have 6. How is that a “joke”? Accuracy in this case actually would’ve bolstered your point more; i.e., 6 losses is more “different” than 4 for Va Tech.
And I AM using my “real blog name”; always have; never been “afraid” to. Someone with yeller bug as a blog handle looks foolish questioning someone else’s use of a blog handle.
You should concern yourself more with how your team is performing than with “dumbing down” your faulty, condescending posts for another blogger. Better yet, post accurately in the first place and you’ll reduce your chances of getting called out.
DawgNole
November 15th, 2012
11:45 am
Tech Guy
November 15th, 2012
11:09 am
Some of you people are assuming UGA will beat Ga. Southern. What if they don’t?
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Guess it’s kinda like some of the folks on here assuming Ga Tech will beat Duke. What if they don’t?
George Stein
November 15th, 2012
11:47 am
I might be wrong on this, but the only way a team wins is by outscoring the opponent, right? I can’t recall a time where the opposite has held true.
Bad Dawg
November 15th, 2012
11:48 am
@ GIVE ME A BREAK,
By your line of reasoning, any Division or Conference Champion that has a conference loss “backed into” it. It doesn’t work that way. SC lost more conference games, and that’s why they aren’t the SEC East champs. UF lost to UGA head-to-head, and that’s why they aren’t the SEC East champs. If it makes you feel better thinking the Dawgs lucked out, though, then have at it.
George Stein
November 15th, 2012
11:52 am
I appreciate all the UGA fans here using good grammar. This represents a real departure from the usual and gives me hope for a rational discourse over the next two weeks.
COACH K
November 15th, 2012
11:53 am
LETS GO DUKE! LETS GO DUKE!
The New ACC
November 15th, 2012
11:53 am
Okay guys. There are classic lines posted on these blogs all of the time. However, there is one on this thread that takes over 1st place. It goes to a comment by “Hold On!!!” and says something like,
“the only way ya’ll can win is by out scoring the opponents.”
LOL! Isn’t that the way that anyone wins?
Come on people. Put a little thought into what you type, please!
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
11:54 am
UGa must have the greatest Bus Drivers in the Country…….They are going to Back In the Dome 2 years in a row…….:roll:
COACH K
November 15th, 2012
11:56 am
NEW ACC, why don’t you find a blog where somebody cares what you think? Sorry I don’t care, I’m to busy cleaning my national championship rings!!!
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
11:56 am
George Stein
November 15th, 2012
11:52 am
I appreciate all the UGA fans here using good grammar. This represents a real departure from the usual and gives me hope for a rational discourse over the next two weeks.
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You know after Saturday the Niceness will be out the Door.
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
11:58 am
coach k……..are you talking Bball? Sorry but you know it isn’t March and this is FOOTBALL right?
The New ACC
November 15th, 2012
11:59 am
DawgNole -
You are wrong. If GA Tech defeats Duke, Tech is bowl eligible. Even if there are losses to UGA and then with another possible loss to FSU in the ACC title game, Tech is still bowl eligible.
And, the ACC already has contracts with enough bowls sufficient for Tech to go bowling. Now, will GA Tech and CPJ want to go bowling with that record is a different issue. My guess is that they will in order to maintain the streak of bowl appearances.
So then, again, you are wrong.
ARdawg
November 15th, 2012
12:05 pm
George Stein
It is always a pleasure to banter with you there sir especially, this time of year. It is a shame though there aren’t more intelligent GT fans willing to discuss football and this game in particular
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
12:07 pm
KEN’S new post just makes your head hurt for sure………
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
12:10 pm
ARdwag now go back to the UGA blog and cry about Legal Blocking that could hurt your boys for the next 2 weeks.
Promethius
November 15th, 2012
12:12 pm
CPJ would have multiple NC’s if he were coach at UGa.
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
12:17 pm
ARdwag is such a sweetheart.
ARdawg
November 15th, 2012
11:10 am
POAD
It doesn’t make one hill of shyte what you would say now does it? Get yer head out of your anus or hang out on the Tech blogs where it’s required practice
ARdawg
November 15th, 2012
12:20 pm
POAD
You even troll on the GT boards don’t you?
5150 UOAD
November 15th, 2012
12:22 pm
ARdwag….I see you placed you head up your butt and came to the Tech blog.