Tech notes: NCAA experts say Miami should self-impose

1. If Georgia Tech defeats Duke on Saturday, it’s possible the Yellow Jackets could win the ACC Coastal Division title on Sunday.

With a win over South Florida on Saturday, Miami will become bowl-eligible. The school, which is under NCAA investigation, has said it will make an announcement regarding its decision on a self-imposed postseason ban after it becomes eligible. Last year, Miami made its announcement the day after it became bowl-eligible, also after a win over South Florida.

If Miami removes itself from the postseason, it will be ineligible to play for the ACC title. In that situation, a Tech win over Duke would give the Jackets the Coastal title with a 5-3 league record and send them to the ACC title game in Charlotte on Dec. 1.

Two NCAA rules experts said it would be in Miami’s interest to take the ban to show its contrition to the NCAA’s committee on infractions.

“I would suppose that they’re probably in line for a multiple-year postseason ban, so it might make sense at this point to get it over with and take it now,” said John Infante, a former NCAA compliance director at two colleges and the author of the acclaimed Bylaw Blog.

“I just think it’d be the best thing for them to do,” said David Ridpath, also a former compliance director at two schools and a sports-administration professor at Ohio University. “I think you have to look more to the future.”

The decision is a gamble either way. There is no way to know conclusively if the infractions committee will give Miami another postseason ban if the school doesn’t do so itself. However, if Miami accepts a bowl bid this year, which would enable the Hurricanes to play in the ACC championship game if it beats Duke on Nov. 24, it’s possible Miami could have a stronger team next year or 2014 be banned from the postseason. Last season, Ohio State was under investigation, but, believing it wouldn’t receive a bowl ban, accepted an invitation to the Gator Bowl.

But the Buckeyes did receive a ban and, as a result, this season’s team, which is 10-0 and ranked No. 6 in the Associated Press poll, has no chance to play in the postseason.

“Ohio State’s experience, it wouldn’t surprise me if that was playing into (Miami’s) decision,” Infante said.

2. Tech quarterback Vad Lee and Duke quarterback Sean Renfree have strong ties to their Saturday opponent. Renfree committed to Tech in 2007, recruited by former coach Chan Gailey. After his hire, coach Paul Johnson made a call to Renfree, a pro-style quarterback.

“I said, ‘This is probably not going to fit you,’” Johnson said. “He said, ‘Yeah, I know.’ I said, ‘Whatever we can do to help you (let us know). I wish you luck.’ He’s had a great career. Made a good choice.”

Lee grew up in Durham, N.C., and developed a close relationship with Duke coach David Cutcliffe and assistants.

“Vad was over here a lot,” Cutcliffe said on the ACC coaches teleconference. “The (high) school is not very far away. Just used to sit and talk.”

Cutcliffe spoke with fondness and respect for Lee, who said Tuesday that “I love the coaching staff there.”

“He’s a fine young man, fine family,” Cutcliffe said. “And, I’ll be honest with you, I’m very proud of Vad and what he’s accomplished.”

3. Kickers David Scully and Justin Moore will not play because of injuries, meaning that walk-on Chris Tanner will play for the second game in a row. Tanner took kickoffs, field goals and extra points Saturday in the win over North Carolina. He made both of his field-goal attempts and all eight extra points.

Safety Jemea Thomas was held out of practice Wednesday with an undisclosed injury. Johnson said he expected him to return Thursday. Johnson maintained his stance that offensive tackle Will Jackson probably will not play with a shoulder injury.

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194 comments Add your comment

GT-UT

November 14th, 2012
9:29 pm

1 4 GT

November 14th, 2012
9:32 pm

If uMiami looks @ OSU and their case….and they are supposed to be better in’13 & ‘14, I think the choice would be obvious. Self impose no bowls this year in hopes of leniency from the NCAA. But then again, who knows what those gumballs will do. Either way, it is what it is. And I have no love lost for uMiami

GT-UT

November 14th, 2012
9:35 pm

YES!!! Go Jackets. Good stuff Ken. Living 800 miles away and keeping up with the Ramblin Wreck. Reading everyday.

To you CPJ haters, after 68 pts, what say you? CPJ is the right guy. Opposing fans FEAR him. Big time…trust me, I run into them all the time!

Marine Jacket

November 14th, 2012
9:36 pm

Hope they take the ban this year.

Go Jackets!!!!

GT-UT

November 14th, 2012
9:36 pm

If we had to vacate the ACC championship game over a couple items of clothing, then Miami should self-impose. This schizophrenic NCAA drives me crazy!

btgt69

November 14th, 2012
9:39 pm

Ken,,, thanks another great report

Ken Sugiura

November 14th, 2012
9:44 pm

thanks, GT-UT and btgt69.
and well done, GT-UT.

GT-UT

November 14th, 2012
9:52 pm

I guess I’m still in disbelief over the fact we have a chance at the ACC Championship. Like Coach says, let it play out and see what happens. That said, I think we beat Florida State. I recall a dumb-founded Bobby Bowden trying to explain to the reporter-ette at halftime how GT was scoring in one or two plays. LOL. Recall Dwyer breaking it wide open up the middle then out running the entire FSU Defense to the house!!

George Stein

November 14th, 2012
9:58 pm

I always love the retrospectives on recruiting. There’s so much mystery around it that hearing the stories about it always interest me. Thanks, Ken.

White&Gold

November 14th, 2012
10:00 pm

I recall a low pitch to Roddy Jones in which an FSU defender picked the ball up and Nesbitt ripped it right out of his hands. We won that game 49-44 BTW. We’d probably need to score more to beat them this year.

yellowfever

November 14th, 2012
10:03 pm

Do we really want to play Florida State in an ACC championship game. My gosh they would score 70 points on our defense and then we would have to listen to everybody say we shouldn’t have been there in the first place.

GTGirl

November 14th, 2012
10:04 pm

Thanks for all the great articles Ken! Keep ‘em coming.
Things are looking better and better for us. Our basketball team is 2-0 and our football team is back on track too. GO Jackets! Beat the devil outta duke!

Biff Pocoroba

November 14th, 2012
10:05 pm

Basketball team looked terrible tonght. Couldn’t hit a 3 to save their lives. If they don’t learn how to get the ball inside to the big guys, it will be a long season. They looked like they did when Favors was here but no one would ever pass the ball to him. CPJ was at the game tonight and he said that he was happy that GT Joe finally convinced him to play Vad. Wished that he would have listened to him earlier but he thinks that he can still save the season and beat Georgia.

Addicted

November 14th, 2012
10:06 pm

What really sucks this year is that we are 1 OT loss against either Miami or VPI from being the legitimate contender. Both were games we should have won.

And I really doubt the MTSU or BYU disasters (although BYU is a legitimately good team, which like us has lost really close games) would have happened if we didn’t hae the dysfunctions we are seeing.

Add a legitimate defense and we can be a really good team. Al Groh was a good defensive coach, but his schemes were far too complicated. I thought that with some continuity on defense from last years the players would have got it, but it was evident this wasn’t true from all the confusion on the field.

Hopefully next year our defensive coaches give us a defense which can at the very least keep us in a game.

yellowfever

November 14th, 2012
10:06 pm

lose to UGA, lose to Fla. State, lose bowl game. 6 & 8 record. Please spare me the grief.

gt40pinhd

November 14th, 2012
10:07 pm

got my fingers crossed but first, let’s concentrate on duke. big hurdle to overcome; they are playing great.

Ken Sugiura

November 14th, 2012
10:09 pm

thanks, george. i do, too. during recruiting, you’re only getting one side, and that’s from a 17-year-old high school kid who usually isn’t going to stray far from the script.

just the truth

November 14th, 2012
10:15 pm

Yellow fever, there are other teams to pledge your allegiance to. Why don’t you find one. UGA comes to mine!

ToeMeetsLeather

November 14th, 2012
10:18 pm

Renfree was probably the QB that would have gotten Gailey out of the 7-5 with a loss to the mutts rut. Oh well, just another one of life’s “what ifs”.

Be kinda neat to play the Noles since we see them so seldom with this new division format. That was always one of my favorite games, even though it took a while to get the monkey off of our back and get a W over them.

Silly Mutts

November 14th, 2012
10:23 pm

Hoops will be fine…it is early and they look better than they did all last season. I could be pessimistic as I watched on ESPN3, let when GT was up 3 and came back and they were up 15. I don’t know if they scored the rest of the time I watched….like 11 minutes till the end. Trust me, if you can survive that you will be just fine!

I love Jan Kemp

November 14th, 2012
10:32 pm

Another great article Ken, the”U” SHOULD self impose judging by Ohio St. But, as another blogger said, you never know WHAT they might do. Anyone ever saw the ESPN30 show on them? they should have to vacate ALL their titles after the way they were bragging at all the rules they broke!

GT-UT

November 14th, 2012
10:32 pm

Nesbitt ripping the ball BACK out of the hands of the defender. I forgot all about that. Man that guy was a warrior!

Hope Miami bows out for us after we beat Duke. Lets focus this Saturday and go stunn FSU!!

Jacket Detective

November 14th, 2012
10:33 pm

A little disappointed by the basketball game but I guess they played down to the competition.
My church was worried they were going to run out of turkey so I decided to go to the game instead without a ticket.
Walking up the the arena, I asked a guy about to go in if he had an extra ticket.
He said yes and I bought it from him for $5.
Great seat, mid court, half way up.
When you are the Jacket Detective, u have friends around.
We’ll find our shooting touch.
Saving it for Uga maybe.

I love Jan Kemp

November 14th, 2012
10:35 pm

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William Casey

November 14th, 2012
10:57 pm

I’d like to see the Jackets focus on beating Duke. Save the speculation for later.

Red Black

November 14th, 2012
11:02 pm

Gonna be funny when duke beats you.

GT TN

November 14th, 2012
11:08 pm

@ Red Black..going to be funnier when 2 of the 3 lose Org, KState and ND then GT beats you and keeps you out of National Champ

1 4 GT

November 14th, 2012
11:22 pm

GT TN….man wouldn’t that be sweet? Your scenario plays out this weekend & there little ole Georgie sits there @ 10 & 1 & we come in on the 24th & lay a slobberknocker on ‘em (in their house) to keep them outa the MNCG! SWEEEEEEEEEEEET!!!! GOOOOO JACKETS THWGeorgie

1 4 GT

November 14th, 2012
11:23 pm

Well, a fella can hope huh?

fuzzybee78

November 14th, 2012
11:36 pm

I would love a shot at FSU with Vad at the helm on a neutral field. If NCST can beat em then we can too. Lots of there guys have never seen the TO. I guarantee Jimbo wants no part of defending this thing with Lee at QB. Its a “no win” for FSU if we just make em look bad and put up points. Sadly its a disaster for the league if we could find a way to win— what the hell, do it anyway!

GIVE ME A BREAK

November 14th, 2012
11:36 pm

Just beat Duke and if Duke beats Miami then problem solved.

fuzzybee78

November 14th, 2012
11:49 pm

Basketball is on the rise. Tonight was an off shooting night and PC fouled us a lot. Good news is Poole bro signed, “5 star” point guard coming to play with the Jackets. The new kid from Marist looks good too. See full article on ajc recruiting.

Really pleased with what I see of CBG. Embracing the past, Cremins, solid coach, working hard, getting the students back, recruiting really well. Feels like its 1982 again and 1985 is coming!

Hayseed Dixie

November 14th, 2012
11:49 pm

Nice comments from Cutcliffe, it’s a shame guys like that aren’t more rewarded in the college game.

I’m proud of these kids in the white and gold, too. It takes a lot to matriculate at the Institute while playing D 1 ball. When you consider some of their circumstances it becomes even more amazing. It’s a very American thing.

I like the Ws too, but as I get on in years the pride in the Institute and the stories some of these kids have just takes over.

yeller bug

November 15th, 2012
12:07 am

It’s been a different kind of year—VT has 4 losses and may not make a bowl game, Duke is already bowl eligible and controls their own destiny in the Coastal division and we’ve given up 40 or more points in more games this season (with two games to go in which we may give up 40 or more) than in anytime in our team’s history and yet…..we have a chance to make it to ACCCG. Maybe we can be the Obama of the ACC—in his “season”, he doubled the price of gas, added $6,000,000,000,000 to our debt and real unemployment is in double digits. If he can get re-elected on that, then we can win out.

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GT TN

November 15th, 2012
12:13 am

@14 GT..it would be real sweet..it seems Tech wins the GT/UGA more when we aren’t expected to win than when we think we should win..I think it will be a good one..UGA has a great record but has shown holes..they got smoked at USC and i think they got 6 TO’s at UF and barely won that game..if our D can get a few stops anything can happen..UK looked like world beaters against them and we know what UK has done against everyone this year

1 4 GT

November 15th, 2012
12:37 am

GT TN….all that you said is true. I just can’t see them as being a top 5 team the way they’ve played this year. Slow starts in several games, UK & UTn gave ‘em all they wanted. UFl to’s gave ‘em a win & Fl almost pulled it anyway. Only team they dominated was Auburn. I expect a good game with them & am privately feeling very optimistic. We’ll see the 24th. GOOOOO JACKETS THWGeorgie

yeller bug you show your ignorance

November 15th, 2012
12:40 am

why would you ruin a good blog by bringing up politics. not only did you do that but you showed the whole world how ignorant you are to boot but i think most of us have already figured that out.

fyi gas/oil is a global commodity and the president (any president) can not set the price on gas or oil any more than he can set the price on corn and wheat. your a dim bulb dude. wars, global markets, and commodity brokers are things that affect gas prices.

i wont even go into the deficit as you not smart enough to understand any kind of explanation as indicated by your stupid comment on gas AND this is not the place.

sorry folks. now back to the regularly scheduled program..yellow jacket sports.

go jackets!

so guys

November 15th, 2012
12:45 am

IF and i mean a big IF we got to the accc game…. which team would you rather play and why?

me? i think that fsu has a stouter d and a similarly good passing attach as clemson. clemson on the other hand may have a better running attack and clemson has seen us before?

i would be happy to play either team at this point but i kinda lean to playing clemson due to their lessor d.

10 out of 11 supersized 14 GT

November 15th, 2012
12:57 am

You have a 5-5 record for a reason and isn’t because you can beat a team like UGA. You are vesting too much blind emotion in your posts but I do you give you credit for being passionate about your team.

Go beat duke and see if Miami bans their postseason play. If you think the NCAA is gonna drop the hammer…….. A self imposed one year ban won’t do you much good. They will still add onto that anyway. They are worse than the IRS. Crazy!

fuzzybee78

November 15th, 2012
1:12 am

trueblueeagle

November 15th, 2012
5:23 am

Just beat DUKE! ONE GAME AT TIME!

Turkey Neck

November 15th, 2012
5:45 am

It doesn’t look like Groh was the problem. If UNC can lay 50 on that “defense”, what will UGA do?

dagnabit

November 15th, 2012
5:53 am

Well turkey neck ,we’ll know in two weeks.

spider

November 15th, 2012
7:15 am

i hate to admit it but i have to agree with yellow fever a little bit, if we beat duke and miami self imposes a bowl ban, playing UGA and FLA ST back to back looks very grim.

White&Gold

November 15th, 2012
7:30 am

Turkey Neck, this isn’t a disney movie where a team can magically rally together and start performing like a fantasy team. Did you honestly think the defense was gonna start pitching shutouts week in and week out after Groh left? Of couse not. We’re still running the 3-4 scheme which has to go next year. The only difference is that Kelly might blitz more on occasion. Overall though, we’re still running exactly what we were when Groh was here.

Veteran Fan

November 15th, 2012
7:48 am

This coach is the real deal! He preaches defense and rebounding and when you do that you win no matter what! We will be a top 15 team by the second half of the season and will be challenging for a good seed in the ACC tourney.

gtne80

November 15th, 2012
8:12 am

As a Tech grad and life long fan, I sincerely hope that we beat Duke and that Miami chooses to not take the voluntary ban.

tired from all the frustrations of being a yellow jacket

November 15th, 2012
8:13 am

The jackets have a real chance against all the three remaining opponents. Miami will foreit. They are crazy if they don’t with their history.

Hold On!!!

November 15th, 2012
8:15 am

So Tech puts up 68 and but gives up 50, and all of a sudden yall think yall can beat UGA and FSU? I do not have a problem with Tech fans, but yall are really reaching on this. Will Tech play UGA tough, probably so. Tech usually always plays UGA tough. Do I think yall can put up 40+ pts against UGA and FSU, HELL NO. The only way yall can win is out scoring people…that does not allow teams to win in big games against Top 10 teams. Better hope the U doesnt self impose or yall will get embarrassed in the ACCCG. See yall next wknd!!!!