Tech notes: Washington holds lead at quarterback

Biff Pocoroba

October 15th, 2012
9:39 pm

Tech wins this one 77-62 in a defensive struggle

Yellowjacketdmd

October 15th, 2012
9:42 pm

Good write up, Ken. I CPJ doesn’t end up commentating. It’s good to hear that he knows what is at stake. I do hope the defense shows up the rest of the season. Lee will get his chance.

Max

October 15th, 2012
9:44 pm

Stubborn old fool

At Least CPJ Has a Sense of Humor

October 15th, 2012
10:03 pm

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Buzzzed

October 15th, 2012
10:07 pm

CPJ, Max doesn’t care about winning the rest of this season. He just wants to see Vad play. I, on the other hand, realize the beer in the cooler with be cold no matter what happens on Saturday and will take solace in that fact.

Tech Fan Since 1950

October 15th, 2012
10:29 pm

Will Coach Johnson still be coaching at Georgia Tech in the next two years? It may very well depend on Vad Lee. I do not want to read any stories next year that we do not have an experienced quarterback. Gotta also get bigger, stronger and faster defensive linemen who can rush passers better, but Vad Lee needs to play. It is a no brainer.

Biff Pocoroba

October 15th, 2012
10:43 pm

Johnson will still be here in two years. Tech will still be paying Paul Hewitt then so Johnson is still safe for at least four more years until that thief Hewitt cashes his last pay check from Tech.

Delbert D.

October 15th, 2012
10:54 pm

Vad Lee may be ready by the end of Spring practice. Or, Synjyn Days may be the guy, or the freshman that is being redshirted. Johnson sees these guys every day, and I see them only in pre-game warmups.

GT-UT

October 15th, 2012
11:29 pm

Is it Vad or Justin? I’ve not seen Justin play. Maybe he is the “one”?

GT-UT

October 15th, 2012
11:30 pm

My vote is for Payton Manning btw. He throws to Tech receivers pretty well.

I love Jan Kemp

October 15th, 2012
11:35 pm

Here’s hoping coach Kelley’s got the D playing much better with an attitude and the O can get better(giving Vad more opportunities).

1 4 GT

October 15th, 2012
11:39 pm

I vote for Payton too! Does he have eligibility left?

GT79MD83

October 15th, 2012
11:43 pm

I see TW during crunch time always underperform. If he is the best we have our future is very bad.TW does not make plays when we are ahead or behind late in the game, unless we are playing Presbyterian.We therefore lose our lead or cannot catch up.I predict 2 more victories this year with TW at quarterback.I hope that I am wrong. A large number of season ticket holders will not renew because of CPJ’s stubborness.I would not want my future to rest on the back of TW. CPJ should learn from Gailey and Reggie Ball.

Todd

October 15th, 2012
11:58 pm

Lee isn’t ready to run the triple option 90% of the time… well, duh. But is running the TO 90% of the time really what’s best for GT? Iowa, Miami, Air Force, Utah, LSU tell me that having a better run/pass balance is needed to compete with the big boys – and Vad Lee is 1000x better option for building that.

GT Fan

October 16th, 2012
12:10 am

2 positives in GT’s favor for BC & ND … it’s the 2nd road game in-a-row, long travel, for each.

BC @ FSU, back to Boston, short week, then back to ATL.
BYU @ ND, back to Provo, short week, then back to ATL. AND they are back to their error-prone Senior QB (b/c the better, IMO, QB suffered a season-ending injury vs. UtSt). Yeah, shocking, but the FRESHMAN QB was better than the SR. Better runner, better thrower. You listening, PJ?

I attended the BYU-Oregon St game. Oregon St had some big runs up the middle vs. the Cougars D. 100+yd Bback for the Jackets???

Same Old

October 16th, 2012
12:12 am

@Todd… Well said! Well said!
We need a change on offence as well as defense!
Our offence is beautiful when it works, but it doesn’t work against good defenses!
Change both. I don’t know if we can win two more games.

North Ave Killer Beez

October 16th, 2012
1:14 am

Agree with Todd & Same old. Who really wants to keep watching this TO offense, open it up for Vad, spread it out. Geeze we are no fun to watch. Throw in 8 hotdogs and Vad lee and I will consider that package.

mic-man

October 16th, 2012
3:31 am

We need a B-back. That is a much bigger problem than Tevin. Our starting B-back is a converted safety. He is filling in for a converted quarterback. PJ Daniels would run for 2000 yards in our offense. Adrian Peterson (not the Ohio State one) had 40 consecutive 100 yard games for CPJ at GSU (the one in Statesboro). Why aren’t we getting running back recruits?

Much as Mark Bradley complains about talent, I think with the exception of 3 positions, our talent level is fine: Noseguard, Quarterback, and most glaringly, B-back.

If we had a dependable B-back (even with our terrible defense) we’re 4-2 right now.

lewisbuzzard

October 16th, 2012
5:01 am

Just RS Holton. My God all I ever hear is what a tremendous, phyical DB he is and he has yet to grace the playing field. Who in the hell would know since CPJ is so covert with injury reports and practices are for the most part closed to the general public.

Full Metal Jacket

October 16th, 2012
5:02 am

Like everyone else I’m very disappointed in the season so far, but this is one time I’m glad the bye week did not come too late. It is time for a RE-SET, for the coaches, the players, and yes for us fans. Coach Johnson, DRad, and several players have publicly acknowledged that they know there have been mistakes and questionable execution (read: effort) and also that they are making changes to correct those problems. Firing a good man like Coach Groh was unpleasant but necessary, and now it is time for the fans to show up in big volume (attendance and voices) to support the 2012 Jackets, version 2.0.

Full Metal Jacket

October 16th, 2012
5:04 am

The commitment to salvage THIS season is admirable, but I also agree that we need (as always) to be looking toward next season, which should be much, much better. That includes getting Lee, or some other young QB more game reps. I am disappointed that Lee has not lived up to his hype, and hope he realizes he won’t play if he doesn’t practice better.

Full Metal Jacket

October 16th, 2012
5:09 am

Ditto GT79MD. Washington is at his worst under pressure. True, the defense has been folding lately, but Washington has not led a significant comeback nor salvaged a close lead, much less won in OT in a long, long time……. He is more prone to make bad choices, throw a pick, and make bad reads. Not cool.

Aw

October 16th, 2012
5:27 am

Justin will be our next Hamilton. He is the answer for our offense. On a qb draw, he’s gone b4 the defense can look up. He has a good arm, and is a student of the game. What more can you want. He is also about the size of joe. Adam will be our man at nt.. I think Curtis will be our next prince.

One of few GT fans left

October 16th, 2012
6:06 am

We don’t have the horses. Oleary was right, we want to be MIT during the week and Alabama on Saturday. More Majors and more exceptions please. GT football could be an economic boom for Atlanta and GT. More Georgia students please, 50% Georgia Students is a slap in the face to Georgia taxpayers who support GT.

Jacket Fan

October 16th, 2012
6:46 am

Sorry to disagree, Coach, but it is obvious you do not trust Tevin to throw a pass in a situation that demands it. Other teams know this, and play defense accordingly.

Jacket Man

October 16th, 2012
7:06 am

Tevin Washington may not be the problem, but he’s certainly noy the solution. While it may be true the team seems to be scoring at a decent “clip,” if you take a closer look at GA Tech’s offense under Tevin it’s a bit troubling. The Jackets have lost virtually ever close gave they’re in (7 points or less) that Tevin has been GA Tech’s starting QB. Also, they have had a major tendency to score a lot less points, recently, after the first half of his games, meaning other teams are either having the chance to catch up to games Tech had been leading, or pull away, and beat the Jackets the second half. Finally, Tevin has also stopped sharing the ball with the A-Back and B-Back and taking a lot more runs on his own as compared to when Joshua Nesbitt was the Jacket’s QB. This more than likly demoralizes some teammates, and could very well be part of the problem for the team’s losing record when he’s been the starting QB.

I would also like to make one final point. QB’s are supposed to be team leaders. However, if you were at Bobby Dodd Stadium at the fiasco against MTSU, you would have seen Tevin sitting on the bench like nothing was wrong. On the other hand, there was Tony Zenon, going amongst the team, trying to get them back into the game, encouraging them; acting like a leader. Tony, one of the physically smallest players on the team, and a guy who doesn’t even start. To me, this also spoke volumes.

Max Sizemore

October 16th, 2012
7:24 am

Wow, a number of really intelligent observations on this blog. Tech Fan Since 1950 is absolutely right about making sure Lee is has enough experience for next season. Also, kudos to Full Metal Jacket, Jacket Man, Todd, and One of the few GT fans left.

come on

October 16th, 2012
7:29 am

this is crazy the season is shot we need to move on to next year. vad needs to play to be ready for next year and this stubborn i know better than everyone else crap is going to get johnson fired. what do we benefit by letting tevin pad is career rushing stats and throw ducks down field? vad needs reps that will get him into playing shape for next year so he is not at the same level next year. by not playing him this season he will miss out on half of a season to progress as a player, otherwise the first 6 games next year he will be trying to get his feet under him and we will be on to a 7 when season next year and johnson will be showed the door.

eBuzz

October 16th, 2012
7:41 am

Washington not the problem? No, not entirely, but still a concern. Maybe no one else has stepped up as Johnson contends, and I don’t question him on that, but therein lies the true problem, namely an inability to find and recruit QB’s capable of running an offense that virtually no high school runs, or trains their QB’s to run.

Now, want to talk about a real problem, let’s talk about defense. Quite probably the worst defense that I have seen at Tech in 60 years. Unbelievable! Groh was a mistake, and it was obvious by last year, with the second worst defense I’ve seen, but I don’t lay the blame entirely on him. All Johnson cares about is his precious offense and he barely gives attention to recruiting good defensive players. Get good defensive players, stop the other team, turn the ball over quicker to the offense and then any offense is likely to score more, thereby leading to victory. It’s not nuclear science, guys.

GT FAN IN PA

October 16th, 2012
7:41 am

Not that my 2 cents are worth no more than a cent- but here I’ll share- go back to what CPJ said on his show- “that depends on Vad” It would almost seem this kid is reading all the hype being talked on these blogs and whispers in his ear and resting on that or not working as hard as he did. Maybe this is what the coaches see. How many kids are in these schools and feel they don’t have to work as hard because they know they are good? I’m not saying TW is better but maybe as everything he gives is what the coaches are looking for. I think Vad has the ability to be a good QB in this system-however I’m not going to make a decision based upon mop up duties against lesser competition that we have seen him play against.

Jacket Dad

October 16th, 2012
7:45 am

Not too impressed by Johnson’s words…… Hope he’s gotten the message. I think he is what we can have and need right now, but needs to open up his mind and modify our game in order to improve.

I’m looking forward the rest of the season and hope for a huge upswing!

GO JACKETS!!!!!!!!

ToeMeetsLeather

October 16th, 2012
7:45 am

This was a big season for CPJ, with a chance to show where the program stood with his recruits. So far it has been a complete flop. Maybe these next six games will build a foundation for next year, but we will be starting over at QB, which does not bode well for a strong start in 13′.

With the miss on Luellen at QB and Perkins at BB, I think it put CPJ’s master plan way behind schedule. Maybe Lee/Thomas and Snoddy/Andrews are the answers. Hopfully these guys will step up next year AND CPJ opens things up to take full advantage of the other playmakers he already has on the squad, such as Bostic, Zenon, and Days(We win the Miami game if these players had stayed involved in the 4th quarter in my estimation).

Also, I think we all underestimated the loss of Burnett’s senior leadership and toughness on the defensive side of the field. But if we can get the proper scheme in place, I think we have the athletes to play at least average defense, and that is all it will take combined with CPJ’s TO offense.

Not sure what to expect the rest of this season, but one thing is for sure, if the guys play with the MTSU energy level, it will not be pretty.

Make us proud Jackets!

AMG

October 16th, 2012
7:46 am

Tevin Washington = Reggie Ball 2

AMG

October 16th, 2012
7:47 am

4th down and short, anyone know what the success rate is for TW this year?

AMG

October 16th, 2012
7:52 am

CPJ is not able to distinguish talent when choosing a lineup. He is now failing because he will not put the “best 11 guys” on the field. Tevin looks like a scared little girl out there on half the plays, Its not that TW can not get it done , its he clearly does not get it done better than the backups. I don’t understand how every time Tevin Fails it is not his fault, but every time he runs the ball for 20 yards it is clearly his greatness???

GTHoschton

October 16th, 2012
7:59 am

I believe we will rebound and have a decent year, the defense should be better as the overall scheme changes, we should play faster, but we have to tackle better for sure. On the QB people do you think CPJ wants to win, well I would say yes I am sure he likes his paychecks, so I am sure he is going to play the best players, he is there everyday at practice unlike any of us.

reebok

October 16th, 2012
8:03 am

It is impossible for me to believe there is a team in the country so bad that we are a 14-point favorite.

The Grinch

October 16th, 2012
8:15 am

I agree – Tevin is not the problem. Johnson is.

NtheNo

October 16th, 2012
8:28 am

Seems to me coach Johnson simply doesn’t have the best ingredients to make the best biscuit.

Atlanta's Original Team

October 16th, 2012
8:34 am

Tech does not run the triple option 90% of the time. At most Tech runs triple option plays about 15% of the time. Vad Lee has been a huge disappointment so far. I am still hoping he can get over his fumbles, bad reads and poor passes. But until he quits doing those things in practice, and until Tech gets a big enough lead on someone in a game, he is probably going to have to keep holding a clip board and trying to learn the plays.

beezit

October 16th, 2012
8:37 am

Anybody that thinks Tech’s problems are on offense probably don’t know how to spell football….

tired from all the frustrations of being a yellow jacket

October 16th, 2012
8:38 am

Tech fans lighten up. If vad lee were the answer do you think that paul Johnson would not be playing him? Do you think he likes losing? hell no. He is playing the man who he feels is the best chance he has to win. the games i have seen Lee in, he looks liike a lost drunk. paul Johnson is about as good a coach we can get with the level of student atheletes we have. saban wins due to being overstocked with the best football players and athletes he needs. That is never going to happen at Tech. These kids just don’t want the rigor of academics at Tech–plain and simple.

Paddy

October 16th, 2012
8:43 am

mic-man………..You are correct, without respect for the B-back, this offense becomes easier to contain. I don’t care who the qb is next year, without the respect for he fullback, this offense becomes very avg.

GT Rich

October 16th, 2012
8:45 am

Towards the end of close games, the other team’s D goes all out at the line of scrimmage because CPJ is afraid to trust Tevin to pass. Playcalling late in close games is run-only and EVERYONE knows it. CPJ needs to scout his own tendencies…I believe that could be his achilles.

85jacket

October 16th, 2012
8:53 am

I have been to every game and watched on TV at away games and I have no idea what you guys are alluding to. Tevin has played quite well. He is a little slow and does not pose the threat like Nesbitt; however, he makes very few mistakes. The offense has not been the real problem. It really goes back to defense and making a stop when you must. I do agree that CPJ needs another Dwyer at B-Back. With that said the offense seems the strong side of the team. One postulation is that the team is still young and has had their share of mental errors. Two safeties in one season is two too many.

George Stein

October 16th, 2012
8:58 am

Agreed, beezit.

The only exception I take with Johnson on the Vad issue is that he keeps saying he wants to play him and then he doesn’t do it. If he doesn’t think Vad is ready, I’m okay with that. However, he shouldn’t set expectations to the contrary.

5150 UOAD

October 16th, 2012
9:05 am

One of few GT fans left….. More Majors and more exceptions please. GT football could be an economic boom for Atlanta and GT. More Georgia students please, 50% Georgia Students is a slap in the face to Georgia taxpayers who support GT.
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More majors is not going to happen. The board of regents is run by MUTTS and they don’t want to compete with TECH in that area. UGa was given engineering but Tech will not get P.E. coaches.
The problem isn’t that only 50% of the students are from GA. The problem is the State of Georgia’s Government School Educational System not preparing or pushing Math & Sciences to the students. Most Georgia high School Grads couldn’t get in or stay in TECH and the students know it. WHY would these kids even consider TECH? They want an EZ degree that will not interfere with their ability to get drunk and party.

5150 UOAD

October 16th, 2012
9:10 am

eBUZZ….namely an inability to find and recruit QB’s capable of running an offense that virtually no high school runs, or trains their QB’s to run.
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Crawl back under your rock. More high Schools still run the option over any other system.
The QB we wanted and were sure we had a great shot at and that ran it in high school was Connor Shaw. It seemed at first we had the inside track when Jaybo was here. Connor Shaw would be tearing up the ACC but the Darth Visor got him.

Tom

October 16th, 2012
9:11 am

One positive is Tech is coming off their best defensive effort of the year last week.

Tech Guy

October 16th, 2012
9:20 am

Our AD gave PJ a contract that makes it too expensive to replace him. We just got over the Paul Hewitt contract fiasco, and the AD makes the same mistake.with PJ.

10per

October 16th, 2012
9:23 am

mic-man

October 16th, 2012
3:31 am

We need a B-back

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Exactly.

I like Sims desire to play, but he has not been effective at all this season. Injuries keep tripping us up. We really need an actual threat at B-back to take the pressure off the other aspects of our game.

Other teams have not figured out the TO, but they have figured outhow to play GT : defend the dive, string out the pitch and make TW earn the yards.

Freddie Blassie

October 16th, 2012
9:25 am

@GS,
PJ is not setting expectations for Lee and then not playing him. Johnson wants to play Lee when
Tech has a comfortable lead but with our defense giving up scores in less than a minute, there have not been many comfortable leads.

observer

October 16th, 2012
9:26 am

Johnson is right when he says the problem is not Tevin Washington. The problem is Paul Johnson. Hope that broadcast career opportunity comes up soon for him.

GT79MD83

October 16th, 2012
9:27 am

I do not care how well TW plays in practice. I am interested in how well he plays when the game is on the line.He needs to make plays in the 4th quarter and in OT. That is when he needs to make plays and not during practice against our defense when it does not matter.

Randy Lanier

October 16th, 2012
9:30 am

Put me in coach, I can beat Ga!

Go Jackets

October 16th, 2012
9:30 am

Said Johnson, “Tevin Washington is not the problem, people.”—–tell me that again after the NEXT 4th and 1 fail.

BT75

October 16th, 2012
9:32 am

Tevin is an average QB with a weak arm. He is obviously a great PRACTISE QB (no real pressure), but put him on the field when the game is on the line and he starts making mistakes. In those situations, he does not trust his teammates and tries to do everything himself. Some guys practice better than they play, others play better than they practise.

roughrider

October 16th, 2012
9:34 am

If it is not the player’s fault, it must be the coaching.

South GA Jacket

October 16th, 2012
9:37 am

The backup quarterback is some of you fans’ favorite player. You said the same thing about Shaw and Washington when Nesbitt was the starter. SMH.

5150 UOAD

October 16th, 2012
9:38 am

Defense has been the PROBLEM……If D coaching didn’t have the guys in the right place to make a play it is coaching, but if the guys are in the right place but fail to tackle it is on the players.

GT TN

October 16th, 2012
9:46 am

I think it is funny how people get on here and say things they no nothing about. Have any of you ever looked at the stas between Nesbitt and Washington? People say that TW is selfish and keeps the football. TW has never ran as much as JN did. I can remember people complaining about JN passing numbers. Now people complain that we need a QB like JN and TW isn’t him. TW’s passing numbers blow JN’s numbers away. JN had a better defense. 2008, when we went 9 and 3, the defense gave up more than 30 pts only 1 time. We gave up more than 23 points only 3 times in 12 games. In 2012, we have given up more than 23 in 3 of 6 games. We have avg. 45.5 ppg this year and only avg 28.8 in 2008. Everyone that keeps saying we need to make changes at qb need to look at the numbers. If this years team had the same def as 2008; we would be 5-1 (3-1 in ACC) and in the Top 25. Look at the numbers!!! TW isn’t the problem. Could he play better; yes he could. Everyone could play better. But for people to say he doesn’t care because he isn’t yelling at other teammates. How many downs of football have you played. Not all leaders are screamers. Some just go out and lead by example. If you could do CPJ job better; then you would be out there. I bet all of you complaining have never coached a day of football other than your sons pee wee football team.

George Stein

October 16th, 2012
9:52 am

I don’t recall any references to context, Freddie, but whatever.

Someone commented earlier about Johnson being coy about injuries. He has a valid reason for not disclosing them: it could violate federal law.

The folks who say Tevin can’t get it done in crunch time amuse me. They don’t tell us what crunch time means, they ignore the TD to go ahead in the final minute of regulation at VT (and the 4th and 7 conversion that preceded it), and they necessarily impute some kind of mental insufficiency to a player whom they’ve likely never met. I know I’d be uncomfortable doing that.

North Ave Killer Beez

October 16th, 2012
10:01 am

If Vad Lee has any ispirations of making it to the NFL he would transfer today. Stephen Hill dropped so many passes at tech because they looked like UFO’s to him. I thought if CPJ ever brought in a QB that could toss the pig-skin around he would spread things out. He seems to be so full of himself and the TO offense.

Techman1958

October 16th, 2012
10:05 am

Johnson’s been coaching this offense a long time and knows which qb can run it better. Glad to see more positive TW comments. Don’t give up on this year. 5-3 conf record and 8-4 overall still possible. Go Jackets.

North Ave Killer Beez

October 16th, 2012
10:07 am

@ Georgey Stein, wake up dude! Crunch-time is every time we need a friggin yard and Tevin turns into Betty White running for negative yards or throws an interception from his back. He was horriblet he entire VaTech game.

GT TN

October 16th, 2012
10:09 am

North Ave KB must be an idiot. You just said if Vad Lee wants to go to the NFL he needs to transfer. The example you used was Stephen Hill. Hill was a first round draft pick. He dropped alot of passes at GT. But that has to be the stupidest example of why he should transfer. I bet Vad Lee would love to be a first round pick.

To claim to have such superior intellect...

October 16th, 2012
10:09 am

…what part of “He’s doing,” coach Paul Johnson said of Lee’s practice work, a less-than-glowing endorsement. “He’s not beating anybody out, if that’s what you’re asking.” do you Vad lovers not understand? – GT Joe, Go Jackets, BT75, Buehler, Buehler, Buehler…

Flounder

October 16th, 2012
10:11 am

@GT TN … with all due respect, the only “numbers” that count are the ones on the scoreboard at the end of the game. And in that respect, Josh Nesbitt blows Tevin Washington away … because much more often than TW has, he put up the numbers and led the big plays and made the scores when he HAD to.

George Stein

October 16th, 2012
10:14 am

You’re imputing team success to an individual, Flounder.

Your comment warrants no response, NAKB, as it makes no sense and ignores facts while inventing new ones.

Hill was a 2nd round pick, GT TN.

GT TN

October 16th, 2012
10:22 am

@Flounder…with all do respect, TW has made the plays when they counted. He scored a TD in the last 2 mins of the VT and the defense gave up a TD. If the D did the job in VT game; no telling what season is like if we win VT game. TW has made more plays than Nesbitt did. Nesbitt didn’t have to play as well as TW becuase we could stop someone. If Nesbitt made a mistake; we still have a chance to win. If TW makes a mistake; it is a loss.

Flounder

October 16th, 2012
10:25 am

@George … point taken, but honestly: how many times has TW (the team LEADER on the field) led the big play or made the big play when it absolutely HAD to be made?? Critical 4th down conversions … Critical red zone scores … Critical 1st down conversions to continue the drive and keep the ball. I just don’t see the same core Athleticism in TW that JN had, that’s all I’m sayin’. TW is the most capable in practice, sure … but ask Allen Iverson about the importance of practice

GT TN

October 16th, 2012
10:26 am

@ Flounder..I’m not saying TW is better than JN..I’m just saying that if JN was qb of this team; we would be in the same situation…the def has given up too many pts..Just saying if Vad was playing instead of TW we mioght be worse than we are now

North Ave Killer Beez

October 16th, 2012
10:30 am

@GTTN: The only example Stephen Hill was used for is the fact that we never pass the ball in the triple option and reciever forgets how to catch a pass or even know what one looks like coming at them.

He went to the NFL because he as raw talent and every one except our coaching staff could see that. We hardly ever used one of the best players on the team. We do that alot in our offense or we just sit them on the bench. But I’m the idiot.

GT TN

October 16th, 2012
10:30 am

Stein..thank you for correction..you are right..

George Stein

October 16th, 2012
10:33 am

He converted a fourth and seven at VT with (I think) 3:00 to play. A couple minutes after that he threw the TD that gave the team the lead with 0:44 to play. Did the 9:00 drive to ice the Clemson game count? Look, I’m not trying to be combative. Rather, I just want us to deal with facts.

As for Josh, I lived watching him play. But the narrative for him has always been different than the facts. What happened in 2009 against UGA when we had to have it? What happened against Kansas in 2010 when we needed it? We can’t forget those and make up a new narrative.

GT TN

October 16th, 2012
10:37 am

Thomas was wanting to transfer after his freshman year when CPJ got the job. CPJ talked him into staying and giving the offense a change. He would get one on one coverage and could put up big numbers. He had more catches his soph more year in the option off than his freshman year in a pro style off

JoeFan

October 16th, 2012
10:48 am

I believe most agree that Tevin is not the answer at QB but CPJ insists on playing him. He is at best an average QB with the inability to win the big games. It seems that the best option would be to use these last 6 games to see what Lee, Days or Thomas is capable of doing. Otherwise going into next season Tech will have an inexperienced QB and instead of having the opportunity for a good seasonTech will bestruggling to reach .500 Also I do believe even with the buyout remaining on CPH that CPJ has at most two seasons left at Tech if his perfomance doesn’t improve. DRad will have to find a way of changing head coaches otherwise whats left of the fan base will disappear and maybe his job too.

North Ave Killer Beez

October 16th, 2012
10:50 am

Yea well now NO ONE is worried about our QB running through tackles or J.Dwyer gutting the middle of the defense. We don’t have a BayBay(man-child) over powering db’s as if they are invisible, we have TW.

GT TN

October 16th, 2012
10:58 am

@ North Ave..you are proving my point everytime you type something..we don’t have the 3 studs you just mentioned and we still avg 17 more points that when we had them..and by the way..everyone keeps saying people have figured out the offense..how are we avg more points 2 years later than when they were there and the offense 2nd year..it shows you have to run the offense and now just be a stud..

George P Burdell NE

October 16th, 2012
11:00 am

On the show, Johnson offered a defense of Washington, saying that younger quarterbacks such as Lee and Justin Thomas may have size or speed advantages over Washington, but that they can’t move the ball as consistently as Washington. Tech is fourth in the ACC in scoring and second in third-down efficiency. He leads the ACC in scoring at 13.0 points per game and, had he enough pass attempts to qualify for ranking, would be second in pass efficiency.

In reference to the above, Vad Lee has not been given a fair amount of time on the field to prove that he can move the offense more consistently than Tevin Washington. Last year when the rumors (incorrectly) were swirling around that Lee was considering leaving the program, I commented that we (and CPJ) would be in trouble if he left. He didn’t leave, but is wasting time standing on the sidelines and the result “is what it is.”

Next year he is going to be pushed hard by Justin Thomas. The result may be that we won’t see much of Vad Lee. What a waste of talent.

GT TN

October 16th, 2012
11:06 am

@ George P..CPJ also said that TW didn’t practice and the qb’s threw more balls to the defense than to his WR’s..you have to prove yourself in practice..if that isn’t the way to do things every backup thinks they should get a shot in the game to see what the can do

JM

October 16th, 2012
11:09 am

The offense is fine, but can get better. The defense needs the most work. I would have liked to hear some comments from Coach Johnson on the defense practices from last week.

Evidently...

October 16th, 2012
11:18 am

…”The result may be that we won’t see much of Vad Lee. What a waste of talent.” Vad must NOT have as much talent as some of us hoped – unfortunately, he is just another in a loooonnnngggg line of HS “stars” who cannot cut it on the college level, but no one want s to admit it ….except CPJ…

wrecked again

October 16th, 2012
11:29 am

Pj is right , Tevin isn’t the problem, the person that recruited him is.

MULE!!

October 16th, 2012
11:30 am

Or maybe CPJ needs to change up the offense and he does not want to admit that or how he’s squandering what little talent we have left. He’s so afraid to give the guys a chance, it may prove how wrong he has been all along.

Greg

October 16th, 2012
11:41 am

You’re right coach Tevin isn’t the problem. YOU ARE.
And your lousy high school offense and inability to recruit.

Grey shirt

October 16th, 2012
12:06 pm

Backup qbs need to play to prepare for next season. If not, then we will be hearing the idiot coach say, well he needs some more starts.
Sounds to me like coach is the problem.

Say what?

October 16th, 2012
12:08 pm

Folks, calm down and let’s add some reality back here. Tech is not, has not for generations now, been a real power house football team with the exception of a couple good seasons here and there. This should surprise no one. It’s just not gonna happen consistently. No matter what the coaches say you can’t win consistently with recruiting in the mid-forty to low fifty range in rankings. There is a talent difference between Tech’s recruits and the top 25 no matter how you spin it. So, a novel option offense will keep you in many of the games you should otherwise not have a chance to win. That is what Tech has settled for and that is who they are now. All things being cosidered, I don’t see how that will change any time soon. They need to find a way to up the ante in the recruiting program or nothing changes. The good news is over the long term they will likely win more games than they would with another offense using the same or similar talent.

Grey shirt

October 16th, 2012
12:09 pm

Josh never choked the way tevin has in games. And josh never got blown out by a middle tenn caliber team. He would have led the offense to 56 in a game like that.

Grinch

October 16th, 2012
12:20 pm

Some players never practice well but perform “lights out” during games. Give Vad a chance to start and play most of a game and let’s see if his confidence and abilities shine through. Good grief CPJ! TW is the problem when the game is on the line! You better polish up your english b/c FOX Sports will be knocking on your door soon if you continue this stubborn stance with Vad Lee.

Grinch

October 16th, 2012
12:22 pm

To my point… I can’t remember the kid’s name but I think it was Tom Brady.. Belichek commented that Brady never really practiced well up to the point where he was thrown to the wolves when Bledsoe was injured. No Vad Lee isn’t Tom Brady, but at that time, Tom Brady was a nobody as well…so my point is valid.

Grey shirt

October 16th, 2012
12:23 pm

Say what, gailey never had a losing season nor any blowout losses to teams from sunbelt conferences. PJ has benefited greatly from his recruitng and now his recruiting is being exposed. WNE was spot on all along and many on here have eaten a heft plate of crow.

George P Burdell NE

October 16th, 2012
12:26 pm

@ GT TN. I agree with you in respect to using practice to determine the pecking order for the starters. If CPJ feels Washington deserves to start on the basis of merit—how he performs in practice, I have no problem with that.

What I do have a problem with is the amount of playing time that Lee (a superior quarterback in my opinion) is getting. He has performed reasonably well in his limited game day appearances. How do we know that his game day performance would not be better than Washington’s if given more playing time?

By the way, our offensive (and Washington’s) performance would be a lot better if our offensive players executed their blocks more consistently over the course of four quarters. Of course, that is another discussion in itself.

CoolBreeze

October 16th, 2012
12:26 pm

It’s the Defense, stupid…………..

SS 22

October 16th, 2012
12:41 pm

Nope it’s the coaching, recruiting and both sides of the ball breeze.

Jacket Detective

October 16th, 2012
12:46 pm

@Gret shirt.
“Josh never…”
Tech vs Wake at home in 2009.
4th down.
Game and division on the line.
Josh Nesbit thrown for a loss and Bobby Dodd stadium grows very quiet.
Wake does not have far to go to kick a winning FG.
Now if I treated Nesbitt the way u folks treat Washington, I’d claim there were three guys open.
I’d blame his failure on lack of character or some other BS.
What happened next?
Nesbit had a defense that watched his back so those who obsess over a bad play didn’t get the chance.
Derrick Morgan made a season-saving sack if there ever was one to knock Wake out of FG range.
We won in OT.
When Nesbit had to play half a year with Groh calling the shots, what happened?
He did worse than Tevin.
How about losing to a terrible Kansas team?
How about a home loss to NC State in a game we weren’t really in and nearly a blowout loss?
Nesbit was the quarterback and with Al’s terrible D, did not look so great.
Npw because we like him so much, we imagine he would have beaten VY and Uga but no way to know for sure, especially with Al’s defense.
Those two games were big clues but I drank the kool-aid that Al should get three years.
Al Groh was a cancer.
I give coach Johnson more time
I’m not too happy but at least he operated on and removed the cancer and now we have a chance.
I am hoping the D will be much improved but we will soon see.

TechApp fan

October 16th, 2012
12:47 pm

SS 22 is correct. O doesn’t win games and D doesn’t lose games…the team does.

Jacket Detective

October 16th, 2012
1:00 pm

S Carolina brought 8 at least one time vs LSU.
Result – rushed and incomplete pass.
In his 2 and a half years calling the shots, did Al ever bring 7 much less 8.
If u can’t get there with 3 or 4, you bring more.
Defense 101.
With Groh, Bobby Dodd Stadium became home away from home for most opposing QBs.
You’ll lose in the 4th quarter every time with no pressure even with Unitas or Namath as your QB
Rodgers too.
What I most resent is the VT game.
Tevin Washington and Deon Hill should have been the heroes and gotten to walk around the campus as such.
Some rich multimillionaire stole that from them by being a terrible coordinator.
We might could have gone with a returnable kick to use up time too.

GT TN

October 16th, 2012
1:03 pm

@ George..i agree with you that he might need to get more playing time..I think CPJ is afraid to use him when the offense is having to score everytime they get the ball

@ Grey shirt..how long have you been a Tech fan???? Do you not remember Nesbitt getting beat by Kansas..a Kansas team that had gotten beaten the week before by NORTH DAKOTA STATE..it think that is a worse lost than MTSU..that team that was suppose to be loaded was 5-4 under Nesbitt..people are just talking without facts..

the offense isn’t our problem..is it CPJ’s fault we took a knee on the 2 at Clemson..for everyone that says TW hasn’t done anything..just look at this year..he put us in position to win at VT and teh def got us beat..at UM we got done I believe 21-0 aand he lead us back to take a 17 pt 4th quarter lead..how is that his fault that we lose when we are up by 17 in teh 4h..he lead us on a drive that took 5 mins off the clock..the def gave up 90 yards in less that 1;30

Jacket Detective

October 16th, 2012
1:07 pm

@TechApp fan.
Groh demoralized both sides of the ball.
Virginia must be pleased that he wrecked us too.
I believe, judging by three straight blow out losses to the arch rival, that he did not leave his replacement a stocked cubboard.
Virginia feels about Groh the way we feel about Gailey and Hewitt.
I hope Johnson succeeds but what a bad choice to replace Wommack.
Wommack should have gotten another year if Groh was who we were going to get.

GT Fan

October 16th, 2012
1:14 pm

Avg 37.8 pts / game…yeah, it’s obvious GT’s O is not the problem. Scary though, to think how much better the O would be with a “home-run” hitter in the Bback position!

Jacket Detective

October 16th, 2012
1:22 pm

Bill Curry was no legendary coach.
Beamer started poorly at VT and was unimpressive for 6 years.
Curry might could have been our Beamer (and a legendary coach) but he had to take the money and run.
To a college I was taught to hate because of the Granning incident.
I finally buried the ax about that.
I like Saban.
And Granning played 7 years in the pros so his injury was exaggerated but the AJC.
Or meeting Darwin Holt prepared him for the pros.

Jacket Detective

October 16th, 2012
1:27 pm

@GT Fan.
What is disheartening is how good we could have been the last three years with a coordinator who will blitz on occasion.
One whose defense gets better as the season goes along and from year to year.
A good hire at Maryland has turned their defense around immediatley by blitzing and turning them loose.
He runs the 3-4 and did not ask for a 3 year excuse.
I used to think age discrimination was bad until we hired Groh.

William Casey

October 16th, 2012
1:27 pm

I like Tevin Washington’s general running of the offense but have long advocated situational substituting at QB. If it’s 4th and short, I’ll take Days. I’d rather have Nesbitt but he has no more eligibilty.

Nativebird

October 16th, 2012
1:35 pm

Of course tecin is not the problem. It’s Paul Johnson that’s the problem. Overhyped Div1-AA white board jockey made good. Way way way in over his head. Taking a desperate program that hired him down with the ship. The AD is an egoistical jerk as much as the head coach is.

Jacket Detective

October 16th, 2012
1:37 pm

I wouldn’t mind Days on a 4th down too but I do not think he is a QB any more.

MTS Who?

October 16th, 2012
1:40 pm

I lost interest with Tech after the drubbing that Middle Tennessee State put on them (not even a high school but a middle school ran them ragged).

Jacket Detective

October 16th, 2012
1:41 pm

If CPJ hires someone like Stewart at Maryland after 2009 season, we are a ranked team at the end of the season every year with bowl wins.
Both Gailey and Johnson wrecked our bowl best winning percentage that most Tech fans have long been proud of.
Grounds in their coffee?

trueblueeagle

October 16th, 2012
1:41 pm

Hire Tommy T. from Texas Tech he should be able to win the ACC every year! See you on TV pregame next year PJ.

BS Patrol

October 16th, 2012
2:08 pm

Duh.The TO does not account for the most embarrassing defense seen by modern man. If this area is so loaded with “talent” as we are led to believe, we should be able to field a defense that is at least decent just by using doggie rejects. Recruiting has just plain sucked. PJ is one of the very few real football coaches we have had here. I don’t know why he does not seem to to address this deficiency.

Tuberville ain't...

October 16th, 2012
2:09 pm

…leaving TT for GT or the ACC, never, ever…

SS loves Obama

October 16th, 2012
2:39 pm

I still prefer Vad in passing situations.

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
2:42 pm

WOW: so many folks now calling for Vad to start! I’m so proud of myself! I’ve been calling for this since after the VT debacle… glad to see the masses starting to follow.

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
2:45 pm

Practice? PRACTICE!?!?

Is CPJ serious? what’s more important, practice or game performance? In football, there are always players that are studs in practice and not in the game. And vice versa.

I’m about to hop on the “fire CPJ” bandwagon. His stubborness was cool for a year, but now he’s becoming an idiot (even though i love his offense).

CPJ

October 16th, 2012
2:57 pm

Tevin Washington is not the problem, people. I AM.

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
3:03 pm

Yeah, can’t blame Tevin for anything. He’s not the one inserting himself into the game…

TechApp fan

October 16th, 2012
3:03 pm

a prediction. Tech will beat BC. Lee will get some 4th qtr playing time. Many bloggers will attempt to use the game to validate the assumption that the problem is only the D/groh….Just remember it’s BC.

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
3:04 pm

Tevin leads us to 7 points in the 2nd half vs. MTSU.

Nah, Tevin is not the problem.

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
3:06 pm

a prediction:

Tech loses to BC 30-21. Tevin goes 3-10 with 2 INTs (just like the UGA game). Both INTs occur in the red zone on 4th down (double whammy for Tevin), and both get ran back for TDs because TW couldn’t run down a dead squirrel.

CPJ still thinks we can win the ACC, so he sticks with TW for another week. Yes.

...Take The Wheel

October 16th, 2012
3:08 pm

I can understand many of you wanting to see who you think will be the QB of the future get some much needed experience this year. But whether he will manage just fine when his time comes to start. Its one of those things thats nice to have but not entirely necessary.

I’m sure he’d planned to play Lee more this season. Unfortunately game situations have not allowed that. Clearly he doesn’t have enough confidence Lee to put him in high presssure situations right now. For the record, I dont know where the glowing admiration for Lee comes from. He hasn’t played enuogh to prove anything to any of us. What is this great love for Lee based on??? Personally, I think Justin Thomas looks better on paper and tape than Lee. And I too would like to see PJ rotate the QBs situationally – including Justin Thomas.

Secondly, lets not ignore the FACTS and RANKINGS he listed for our current offense. The offense has not been the problem people. Why would he disrupt the one element on the team that HAS been working.

TechApp fan

October 16th, 2012
3:10 pm

Hope you are wrong,
Joe.

...Take The Wheel

October 16th, 2012
3:11 pm

excuse the multiple typos… GTFoe does that to me!

**Joe – dont compare yourself to the rest of these people. You are coming from an entirely different place…

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
3:13 pm

Take the Wheel:

Our offense is #36 in the country in scoring. #66 in 2nd half scoring. CPJ thinks this is not a problem? He is wrong.

According to you, Vad will never be ready for pressure situations. Because he will never be put IN pressure situations. But I guess he should do better in practice (which has no pressure) so he can be better in games (which has high pressure)?

Vad is wasting away. He should transfer. Justin can have the job next year by default. And he’ll be great. a 175 lb QB will last about 2 games in this offense.

TechApp fan

October 16th, 2012
3:20 pm

mistakes normally are the cause for a loss (O or D). Against MTenn, Tech had a receiver (wide) open and the QB finally threw the pass….late and short. Result was a pick. They scored quickly. On a 4th down play, Tech completed a pass to an A back that unfortunately did not fall forward and that play did not result in a first down. They scored on a pass play new very next play. Mistake by the O and a mistake by the D…boom, another TD.

The team lost.

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
3:23 pm

TechApp: agreed, mistakes causes losses. Like that INT in OT at VT. Or the misread on 4th down vs. Miami in OT. Those mistakes = 2 losses.

But I’m sure Tevin doesn’t make those mistakes in practice. Which apparently is more important than making those mistakes in games.

TechApp fan

October 16th, 2012
3:28 pm

Joe, one could argue that mistakes by the D/groh (in less than one minute in regulation) caused that loss. If no mistakes in 44 seconds, TW would not have been playing in OT and many of us (you included) would probably be happy now.

GTJacket

October 16th, 2012
3:36 pm

Take it to the bank…the season ends 4 – 8. Although if we got lucky with BYU it could be 5 -7.

...Take The Wheel

October 16th, 2012
3:44 pm

@Joe – You continue mis-quote stats and isolate only those that are negative. There have been mistakes on both sides of the ball – yes. But the offense has performed well enough to win, even with all the errors you blame TW for. And as bad you try to make him look, Vad must not look better, because PJ is not willing to gamble on him. And I’m sure CPJ wants to win MORE THAN YOU!

Personally, I dont know that he will start next year either!! He’ll have to earn it in PRACTICE!! Yes practice. You dont just give someone something when they haven’t first proven it in practice. Common sense dictates that if you cant do it under limited pressure (practice) youre certainly not going to get under high pressure and do better. Those are the rules of the game! So if you’re expecting someone to break the rules for Vad, maybe you should advise him to transfer. Cause I suspect he’s gonna have a heck of a race with Justin next year and nothing is guaranteed!

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
3:46 pm

TechApp Fan: Well, why just go back to 44 seconds? I’m sure folks could find some other non-TW mistakes in the 3rd or 2nd or 1st quarters that cost us those games, right? Coin flip maybe?

When the game is on the line, winners win. And Tevin don’t. But there’s always an excuse.

SS loves Obama

October 16th, 2012
3:46 pm

@GTJacket…BYU may be the most difficult of the remaining games.

Nativebird

October 16th, 2012
3:47 pm

Please jacket fans, can we please start seeing the forest and the trees. Who cares If you have the bloody greatest offensive statistics in the History of college football if you go 6 and 6, lose to 1-aa level opponents, and compete for last in your weak division much less your conference!! CPJ is not, can not be a top level major college football leader. Why? Because he is not. plain and simple. Own it.

TechApp fan

October 16th, 2012
3:50 pm

something to ponder. A good/winning coach normally plays his good/winning players and usually has a good/winning record.

this is something like …do you still beat your wife?

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
3:50 pm

BYU is an L for sure.

SS loves Obama

October 16th, 2012
3:56 pm

@GT Joe…are you new to the blog?

...Take The Wheel

October 16th, 2012
3:59 pm

@GTFoe – For as long as I’ve been reading you never have anything positive to say. Why are you a GT fan???

Why dont you just get off the boards and go start a Vad Lee fan club!

fuzzyjacket

October 16th, 2012
4:12 pm

Do you really think we can win with QBs that are less than 6′3 tall?? They should at least be able to see over the OL. Shouldn’t Paul Johnson be recruiting kids who at least have the physical attributes to compete at this level? These are the QBs on our roster.

2 Vad Lee QB 6-1 213 RS FR Durham, N.C. Hillside HS
4A Tim Byerly QB 6-0 212 RS FR Alpharetta, Ga. Chatahoochee MTSU
5 Justin Thomas QB 5-11 169 FR Prattville, Ala. Prattville
11A Darryl Dickey QB 5-10 207 RS SO Locust Grove, Ga. Ola
12A Holland Frost QB 5-11 195 FR Marietta, Ga. Pope
13 Tevin Washington QB 6-0 205 RS SR Wetumpka, Ala. Wetumpka
10 Synjyn Days QB/AB 6-2 215 RS SO Powder Springs, Ga. Hillgrove

Why is Johnson even recruiting kids that are 6′0 and under?? Unless Johnson is gone, the program shall remain mediocre at best ..

billybuzz

October 16th, 2012
4:25 pm

Welcome back, Ken. I missed you.

Washington is productive except when you need it. Then it is busted play, fumbled exchange from center, or short arm the pass. 4th quarter is a bust mostly because we don’t move the ball.

Vad Lee could be a clutch player, but we will not find out because he is not a practice player. I would like to see him in crunch time at least a couple of times. He could not be much worse.

...Take The Wheel

October 16th, 2012
4:29 pm

fuzzy – thats scary! Of course height is one asset of a QB but there is so much more that comes into play. I’ve seen 6′6 Logan Thomas look phenomenal and I’ve seen him look mediocre (and not just once or twice). I know if you’re a betting man, smart money is on a taller QB but one shouldn’t stop there…

..ever heard of Mike Vick, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, Ty Detmer (great story btw)

I get your point, but I definitely think shorter QBs can compete, they just dont have a height advantage and MUST make up for it in other ways.

FANtastic

October 16th, 2012
4:31 pm

As a Tech fan, it’s not so much that I think Vad is better than Tevin, but that since this season is already in the crapper, why not get him some experience.

billybuzz

October 16th, 2012
4:32 pm

I disagree with those calling for CPJ’’s head. He is exactly the coach for us. Tech is never going to be stocked with 4 & 5 star recruits. CPJ’s system makes us competitive with the talent that we have..No one can coach it better than Coach Johnson. Lets get behind him and quit calling for someone else.

...Take The Wheel

October 16th, 2012
4:57 pm

- ..”When the game is on the line, winners win.”

– funny how that only applies to Tevin. You win as a “team” and lose as “Just Tevin”, right Joe?

Funny how some of you have so much confidence that Vad is the cure to all – and he’s barely taken 10 snaps – and dare I say I was not WOWED! What is this great hope based on, highschool? Why no interest in seeing Justin? And isn’t it so easy to speculate about how great someone “will be” or “might be”! When we have the #3 rushing offense, #26 overall and you really want to have a conversation about offensive changes??? I may never get it.

...Take The Wheel

October 16th, 2012
5:04 pm

@FanTastic (nice handle btw)
I AGREE!!! We need to rotate the QB’s situationally though. Vad is not the starter right now and I’d like to Justin. I dont want to put all my eggs in his basket without at least seeing what Justin has to offer as well.

However, I dont think all is lost. We can still hope for a strong finish. Plus with all the changes on D, I think its even more important to have proven QB on the field. PJ is smart to protect Justin and Vad from the negativity that could come from putting them out there prematurely. He needs them to be pumped, fresh and eager for next year. Not beaten down from this tumultuous season…

GT TN

October 16th, 2012
5:16 pm

@ GT Joe..it is funny how use examples that are one play in the game..u never mentioned the 4th down completion on last drive against VT..you bring up OT..the game never should have gone to OT if defense would have played..how do you know what Lee can do..Lee was dropped to 3rd string after the scrimmage when he turned it over 3 times..you are not a real GT fan..you have no facts to back your thoughts..anyone can just say something..you have no merit..

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
6:35 pm

Wheel, yes you will never get it. The qb is by far the most important player on the team, as much as you would like to believe that all men are created equal.

Not wowed by vad? Go look at his stats, he has been spectacular. What on earth are you talking about.

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
6:43 pm

Yeah that’s it wheel..burn Justins red shirt for a few snaps this year. Genius

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
7:00 pm

GT TN: funny how i just use one play in the game? Hello, these are the most critical plays in the game! You know, when the game is won or lost? Sorry, maybe we should just judge tevin on his 1st quarter play…LOL.

Wants facts?

Tech is #36 in scoring
Tech is #66 in 2d half scoring
Tevin is 6-13 vs BCS conference teams not named Duke
Tevin led us to 7points in the 2nd half in the worst loss of tech’s history (MTSU)
Tevin is 3-7 in games decided by one possession
Tevin ended games with INTs TWICE vs. VT
Tevin was 3-10 with 2 INTs vs UGA last year
Tevin had 19 rushes for 4 yards vs. MTSU this year

Happy? Or should I go on?

GT IN

October 16th, 2012
7:28 pm

Wow there are a lot of suspect Tech fans. This is crazy! What happens when Tech win games? Do the “fans” actually enjoy the win or do the “fans” still find something to criticize? Last time I looked at a game, better yet every time I look at a game there are 11 players on the field. To pin a lost on one player is so easy. For those calling for a change at QB because its the most important position on the field, tell all the back up QB’s to work harder so they can get the chance next year to read how bad their “fans” will call them out for a loss even if the offense average 37 pts per game.

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
7:48 pm

GT IN: take out the FCS school that we played, and we are #36 in scoring. Are you happy with that? Is that “enuff to win’?

GT IN

October 16th, 2012
8:11 pm

Thanks for the stat, I do think that is enough to win. Looking at the top 25, I would say that is plenty. #1 Ala is 65, #2 Fla is 89, #3 Oregon is 16, #4 K State is 62 & #5 ND is 83 in scoring. How can 4 out 5 top teams have such low rankings in total offense and still win? I think we now how!

GT IN

October 16th, 2012
8:12 pm

“know” not “now”, my mistake!

GT IN

October 16th, 2012
8:15 pm

Take out the FCS schools the top schools played and their average would be even worst than what it is now. We know how they beat up on lil’ guys the first few weeks of the season.

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
8:25 pm

total offense? I’m talking scoring. You know, points? Which matter more than yards?
Go here: http://www.teamrankings.com/college-football/stat/points-per-game
Bama is #9 in points.
Oregon #2
UGA #8
KSU #16
Clemson #7
Texas #5

Yeah, #36 is FINE. Good enough to be a top 36 team in the country!
Here’s another stat: we are #66 in 2nd half scoring. Yeah, offense is fine. LOL

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
8:26 pm

That link takes out FCS teams, FYI.

GT TN

October 16th, 2012
8:28 pm

GT Joe..I think most “normal” fans would say that a lost to Kansas asfter they had lost to North Dakota State was a worse lost..the int TW threw against VT was the single play that lost the game..funny you don’t bring up the TD pass and 4th down pass in last 2 minutes of game..if Nesbitt had the defense that TW has he would have had a losing record as well..with the same DC (AG) as TW has had..Nesbitt was 4-4 in his same time with AG as DC if you take away the South Car State win..by the way Nesbitt only completed 1 pass against S Car S..what Vad stats are so great..the 6 for 9 with for 131 yards and 19 carries for 199..take away the PC like you said and his stats are 10 carries for 93 yards and 5 for 6 for 116..those numbers are worst than TW did in 1 game against Clemson..TW is playing against first string and Vad best stats coming against 3rd string..it is a good thing you don’t coach football you would never have job…under you thought process we need to fast forward to last 2 minutes and play football..when you did your numbers for 36 in scoring..did you take out everyones FCS games or just Tech..your facts are flawed..that number isn’t correct if you take everyones else FCS games away..by the way..have you ever played a down of football in your life????

GT TN

October 16th, 2012
8:36 pm

By the way..Nesbitt only finished in the top 25 1 time out of his 4 years at QB

1 4 GT

October 16th, 2012
8:38 pm

I guess the leg humpers are back….as if they don’t have enough to worry about….#2 UFl coming up for them & got embarrassed by USCe…..but bless their “widdle hearts thems worried bout us’ns”….ain’t that sweet of them to care……………………………………..LOL

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
8:39 pm

TN: Kansas a worse loss? When did THEY join the Sun Belt? LOL.
Funny I don’t bring up the VT TD pass? Look, funny you don’t bring the fact that Tevin led us to 10 points TOTAL prior to that TD pass. Against the #65 defense in the country. thats sad.
Vad played 3rd stringers? In what game? UVA had 3rd stringers in when Vad scored a TD in the 2nd quarter? MTSU had 3rd stringers in the 1st quarter? Right.

As for scoring ranks, look at the link i posted. No FCS games. OWNED.

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
8:42 pm

TN: Nesbitt’s 2nd year as starter: #14 in scoring offense
TW’s 2nd year as starter #28
3rd year: #35

GT IN

October 16th, 2012
8:43 pm

OK Joe, pts. Let’s hear how many points in your eyes is enough to win? Forget all the FBS BCS. No matter how you screw the numbers if the defense gives up 1 more point than the offense can score, we lose. Simply as that. So scoring on an average of 37 points per game is very good but still do not guarantee a win. Ask the dearly departed Al Groh.

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
8:54 pm

GT IN: You are missing the point. I don’t care about points as much as WHEN the points are scored. You and CPJ and the other sheep keep pointing to the 33.6/game. What I’m saying is:

1. Doesn’t matter how much you score when you can’t score in OT. It is impossible to win a game without scoring in OT.
2. Doesn’t matter that you score 21 in the 1st half when you only score 7 in the 2nd half (MTSU).
3. Doesn’t matter that you score 36 points in a row, when you can’t score in the last 25 minutes of regulation and the OT period (Miami).
4. Doesn’t matter that you had a nice TD pass with 44 seconds to go when you throw a pick in OT (VT).

Yeah, we scored a lot on Presby and Miami. But when we NEEDED points to win a close game, this offense failed under TW.

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
8:58 pm

meant to say presby and uva

GT IN

October 16th, 2012
9:03 pm

Got you Joe, with all of your points I didn’t see anything about the defense getting some three and outs, holding a lead, making critical stops in OT, making a tackle, etc. What about special teams. Do they count or is the game won and lost only on the offensive side of the ball

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
9:11 pm

IN: the defense has been beaten like a dead horse. Yes, there are issues. But everyone is ignoring the offensive issues, specifically TW’s failure to lead, especially when we absolutely need it. 4th quarters, OT, close games.

You bring up the D getting some 3 and outs. How about the offenses 3 and outs putting tremendous pressure on the defense? Look at the 2nd half of the mtsu game. 7 drives, 1 score. numerous failed 3rd and 4th downs when we needed it.

Bobo

October 16th, 2012
9:58 pm

Johnson is much different than Hewitt, for those who are making comparisons. UNLIKE Paul Hewitt, Johnson seems to understand what is at stake here and to his credit he’s making abrupt and difficult changes. How many coaches in the country would fire a defensive coordinator mid-season, who also happens to be a close friend and a former NFL coach? Not many. That took some brass balls and he knows his job could be on the line. Also, he’s right about this year’s problems not really coming from Tevin Washington. A lot of the bad decisions that he has made (and they WERE bad) were directly caused or abetted by a TERRIBLE defense putting him in a pressure position. He is completing 70% of his passes, has 13 rushing TDs, and has mostly been okay. Is he who I want at QB for a GT prototype? NO. But really have we had a good QB since George Godsey or Joe Hamilton? To his credit, Johnson also relented on several other things…..special teams, mixing in passing in the offense, etc. If he will just relent and get some help recruiting, I think he can turn this around. For all of the UGA buzzards circling…this time last year, Mark Richt was dead in the water and certain to be fired….and Richt’s track record says that he is much less adaptable than Johnson. When has Richt ever changed his offensive scheme significantly, in spite of the fact that most UGA teams don’t score a ton of points, in spite of their talent level. How long did it take him to finally fire Willie Martinez when the writing was on the wall? It’s all relative…when you are going good, your stubborness is admirable. When things turn sour, it’s held against you.

Bobo

October 16th, 2012
10:04 pm

GT JOE and GT IN….Offensively, I think Washington is about 4th or 5th in line for our problems on that side of the ball. The biggest problem I see is that we have no exceptional go-to running back, closely followed by poor blocking over center and the entire side that Uzzi is not on. We can really only run the ball well on the right side this year, unless we shift the line around. So, we have a whole stable full of 2 and 3 star backs instead of 4 star guys. We put Burns, Daniels, Choice, Dwyer, and Allen all into the NFL and then the gravy train stopped. Orwin Smith is great for end-arounds, but not for an every down back. Laskey is a converted strong safety doing the best he can. I blame RECRUITING for our biggest offensive problems. The other guys limitations party make an already limited Washington look bad. I’m really sick of hearing people make the excuse about how many 5 star guys at UGA don’t pan out vs. the 2 star guy that becomes a stud….BLAH BLAH BLAH. Statistically speaking those guys are WRONG. That may be true 1 time in 10, but most of the time you play those odds against the experts and you LOSE.

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
10:25 pm

Bobo: did you ever stop to think that an ineffective QB who is not a serious passing OR running threat actually HURTS BBACK PRODUCTION? Defenses stack up to stop the bback with at least one extra defender, because they know Tevin won’t burn them TOO bad.

BBack production is a symptom of the REAL problem: an ineffective QB.

Bobo

October 16th, 2012
10:38 pm

Look, I’m not defending Washington as being a wonderful QB. He isn’t. But trust me…if Vad Lee is bad in practice, then he will be bad on the field once opposing defenses figure him out. I guess it’s a chicken or egg question to an extent. We don’t have enough talent at ANY position right now. However, I do agree that if we lose more than one more game, we might as well pull the plug and let Lee develop. We had better recruit better O-linemen and better backs too or Johnson is on borrowed time. The high school running back in our town is a 2/3 star prospect, and seeing both him and Tech’s backs in person, I’m fairly certain we could interchange them and see no difference. I’m in favor of moving Daniel Drummond back onto offense and giving him the ball. Unlike Laskey, he was a stud RB in high school. Johnson’s early success was largely the result of Jonathan Dwyer and Anthony Allen picking up a guaranteed 5-7 yards up the middle, forcing opposing defenses to honor the dive. That set up the huge 40 yard pitches, which we are getting half as often now.

Bobo

October 16th, 2012
10:40 pm

And if Johnson does finally crash and burn…..Bring in Mike Leach and change it up 100% to a mad bomber offense…..

GT Joe

October 16th, 2012
10:56 pm

Bobo: I simply don’t believe CPJ when he says Vad isn’t doing well in practice. I think CPJ is covering his own butt for sticking with Tevin for so long.

Vad has been stellar in every game appearance, the spring game and the fall scrimmage. If he IS doing bad in practice, there is something else going on. Vad thought he should have been starter last year, let alone this year, and now his PT is so little, and now CPJ is saying Vad isn’t performing in practice. Is Vad in the doghouse? I can see Vad with some motivation problems because of the situation he is in.
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It’s a shame, CPJ has Vad by the nuts, and Vad can’t transfer without losing yet another year of PT (in addition to the redshirt last year). He picked the wrong school.

Wal-Mart Retards

October 17th, 2012
1:01 am

Why call yourself GT Joe? You should be Vad joe – seems like you care much more about a floundering back-up than GT football… Weak.

GT TN

October 17th, 2012
1:22 am

GT Joe..you are an idiot when it comes to football..bad did so well in scrimmages that he was dropped to 3rd string before days switched spots..you keep saying TW can’t pass..he has better passing stats than Nesbit did..if you knew anything about football then you would know scoring stats aren’t all about the offense..the defense plays a part to on where they get the ball back..if defense forces turnovers then o doesn’t have to go the length of the field every time..but you don’t know that the offense is only 1 of 3 parts of game..was it TW fault that we got a fg blocked that ended our chance at cutting to a 1score..the run on 4th down against UM in OT was all tW fault..it had nothing to do with the line not even chipping the DE more less blocking him..by the way I think real Tech fan would tell you the lost to Kansas was worst than MTSU..Tech was in top 20 and Kansas won only 3 games

MC

October 17th, 2012
7:19 am

What the……..now we get 4 dogs instead of 2?

MC

October 17th, 2012
7:21 am

Yeah GT Joe. And UGA should pull the shirt off Hutson Mason and bench Aaron Murray. lol

GT Joe

October 17th, 2012
9:26 am

If Aaron Murray was 8-13 as a starter, yeah, play Hutson mason.

... Take The Wheel

October 17th, 2012
11:47 am

Joe if Lavaedeay Monlique Lee had played in every game this season, with the same D and same ST the outcome would be 0-6! No matter what manipulated numbers you dig up, the fact is until we figure out our defensive woes, the team will continue to struggle. Your kid is not going to fix that on his own. So there is no sense trying to demonize another kid for the sake of improving Lavaedeay’s chances of playing.

If somehow, he wins the starting spot over Justin next year, which is not guaranteed , he will have a chance to live up to all this hype you’ve created for him. Until then, have a seat! Your rants are not going to pressure CPJ.

... Take The Wheel

October 17th, 2012
12:15 pm

Joe Lee – the problem is you’ve filled your kids head with all this same foolishness you post on here and its affecting his performance in practice. It all makes sense now…. you already said “Vad thought he should start last year and most definitely this year” . First of all thats foolish to think he was going to just walk on the field not knowing the offense and start last year… but let me stay on point. If you and your kid are so pissed that he’s not starting, why doesn’t he back up all YOUR talk on here and kick some butt in practice and EARN the spot!! I assure you if he is THAT GOOD PJ will use him to win games.

But he’s not performing up to your hype in practice. You know why… your negativity is toxic! If you keep pumping in his head that he’s wasting talent, blah, blah, blah then of course its showing in practice!

…have a seat Joe Lee.

TTW – out

... Take The Wheel

October 17th, 2012
12:48 pm

….. “It’s a shame, CPJ has Vad by the nuts, and Vad can’t transfer without losing yet another year of PT (in addition to the redshirt last year). He picked the wrong school.

Joe Lee- Why are you trying to start some kind of conspiracy theory. As if PJ has anything to gain from wasting your kids talent?? Whats a shame is that you expect someone to break the rules and GIVE your kid the starting position. Its not going to happen. AND if you dont refocus on helping Lavaedeay earn the spot in practice instead of trying to demonize the other QBs – I’ll have no problem watching Justin burn him for the spot next year

Einstein

October 17th, 2012
1:52 pm

PJ needs to play Vad Lee A LOT MORE at a minimum. He’s taken steps to try to improve and energize the Defense and now it’s time for Vad to get a whole lot more playing time and be given the chance to show what he can do on game day. Not only would this energize the Offense, but it will put people in the seats and will give him the experience he needs to begin the 2013 season.

My guess is that Vad has a lot to learn about how to fully run the option; however, how the heck do you think people best learn their job? It’s called on the job training – just do it. And quite frankly, we don’t want to be starting the season next year with a QB with virtually no game experience. Giving Vad Lee more and more playing time will not only provide him needed experience running PJ’s offense but I think it will help the team win now, too!

My take on Tevin is that he has played much better this year than expected. He’s pretty good at running the offense (when he actually pitches the ball instead of holding onto it for 1 yard gains) and occasionally throws a good pass. Far too often, however, he under-throws the receivers, keeps the ball when he should pitch and does not lead the team when we need a spark, a leader to drive the ball down the other team’s throats. Although I like and respect him, he’s really just a basic, mediocre QB (which is certainly better than a bad QB). If we hadn’t gone conservative against Miami, if Tevin had played with more energy the last couple of possessions instead of being content to run keepers for no gain, if if if …..)

It’s time to put the ball in Vad Lee’s hands, maybe time to really roll out the shotgun passing game, time to experiment with the guy who will be the team leader and possibly its star for the next several years. He’s got the arm, the speed and the talent; now all he needs is the game day experience. Who knows, when this happens, amid the expected learning mistakes, maybe we will see the QB that can take over a game and pull out those important wins! And maybe it will open up the offense to the point of where we actually will outscore the opponents!

... Take The Wheel

October 17th, 2012
2:14 pm

Einstein Joe…

I dont disagree with rotating the QBs situationally. But according to PJ Lavaedeay hasn’t shown enough in practice for him to use him in high pressure situations. I dont think that anyone should hand over anything to Lavaedeay. He needs to earn it. And whose to say that Vad is the man of the future?? You’re talking about preparing for next year…. Justin Thomas or Synjyn could be the man next year!! So that notion that we should just GIVE Vad more playing time just for the sake of preparing him for next year is MALARKY!!! (lol cracking myself up)!

Until he proves that he should start, he should continue to get clean up duty if and when that is reasonable. If if if??? Everything you all say about Vad

Einstein

October 17th, 2012
2:29 pm

Can you imagine next year: Tandem Vad & Justin!!! Talk about keeping the defenses on their toes. Hmmmm ……….. something to think about ……………..

... Take The Wheel

October 17th, 2012
2:31 pm

…is based on what… highschool?? Oh I get it, because he was a stand out in highschool GT is supposed to roll over for him???!! Noooooooo he need to prove himself against other players who were also stand-outs in highschool.

When Tevin played behind Nesbitt, he didn’t get “prep time” for the next year. He got thrown in there when Nesbitt and ran with it.

... Take The Wheel

October 17th, 2012
2:38 pm

@ Einstein – Yep, if the other elements come together, Justin and Vad could really put on a show next year. It’ll be nice to see that showdown for the top spot!

rj

October 18th, 2012
6:13 am

fire CPJ today. salvage some of the season

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11:48 am

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