Video: On firing of Al Groh

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Jacket Detective

October 9th, 2012
8:38 am

Why fire Groh?
Because getting routinely out-coached in the 4th quarter has gotten the defense, if not the whole team, demoralized.
Also the extra week made the firing a lot more likely.
Time to regroup Tech and save the season.

Jacket Detective

October 9th, 2012
8:52 am

Neither Tenuta nor Groh was unpredictable enough though I would obviously prefer Tenata (too much blitzing) to Groh (too little).
Boston College, when Matt Ryan was a senior, revealed the flaw in blitzing too much.
They kept enough blockers back to handle the blitz, they had a calm senior quarterback who did not get flustered, and Ryan found the open receiever.
They won going away.
That was a clue Ryan would make a good pro.
He might not have kept his cool on the road under pressure when he an underclassman.
Tenuta did not change his approach according to the team he was facing and got out-coached that night.

yellow britches

October 9th, 2012
8:53 am

Don’t you just love it when the radio home of the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets is essentially all UGA and Falcons talk. I do listen from time to time and the phrase applied to Al Groh was “nutty professor”. Groh always seemed oddly detached from the disasters occurring right in front of him and the fans on the field. Objective, just like a college professor. Complexify the simple, just like a lecturer–not a coach.

Georgia DAWGS

October 9th, 2012
9:01 am

1. Yall need a younger guy prefurable from the SEC
2. From what I have seen the GOOD DC and GOOD defensive teams, the D cordinator is a STRONG AUTHORTY figure head on the team…. which is something Tech has missed since CPJ has taken the reigns.
Examples Bobby Bowden and Micky Andrews. Andrew stronger figure head. Tommy Tubberville and Will Muschamp….Muschamp the stronger figure head. Even Gailey and Tenuta…Tenuta the stronger figure head.. Simple CPJ needs to find someone who will belly up ti HIMSELF not cower under his authority like Womack and Groe.

3. Need a guy who can recruit…
4. Need a guy who can recruit
5. Oh and not to mention they need a good recruiter
6. did I mention yall need a Person who can recruit?

Yall would be DUMB not to consider Randy Shannon or tyron Nix….This would be a big change in direction from how it has been with the passive Womack and Al Groe

Jacket Detective

October 9th, 2012
9:03 am

And shouldn’t the nutty professor have also provided us with a reading of “The Man in the Glass” like he did at Virginia?
Great research to find that out Ken.
Now can we see the poem?

Jacket Detective

October 9th, 2012
9:14 am

The Groh hire has cost us three years.
I know Kansas got fired up after getting embarrassed in their first game in 2010.
Although we got even the next year, splitting with a basketball school is not good when everyone else runs through them at will.
Red flags ignored:
1) 3-4 not a good fit with Tech or most colleges. Groh is a pro coach. If they don’t want him, we shouldn’t either.
2) Never hire anyone owed money who does not settle with the college that has already paid him millions. What kind of loyalty to his alma mater (or to the past employer) did Groh show to Virginia? Revealing.
3) Never hire someone who acts like he is making a tour of the ACC when he is hoping to bump someone else out of a job.
4) and I’m kiding on this one but never hire someone who reads “The Man in the Glass” to his team after losing to the archrival again.
5) Never hire someone because he comes cheap. You get what u pay for and we certainly did with Groh.

Jacket Detective

October 9th, 2012
9:25 am

6) Never hire somone with a ready-made excuse for two years of crummy defense.

Jacket Detective

October 9th, 2012
9:28 am

7) Tenuta liked to nickname people while he was here. Never hire someone he might have nicknamed “Father Time” unless you can see he is as sharp as Spurrier.

Freddie Blassie

October 9th, 2012
9:33 am

Tenuta was not a good coordinator; over rated as a coach, and a toxic person (a punk). Do not know where Tenuta is now and do not care. This guy was a legend in his own mind and was not required to recruit.
Bud Carson was the best defensive coordinator ever at Tech and also a good head coach at Tech. Since the feminization of football by ESPN and other TV networks who now control the sport, defensive play has deteriorated because of all the restrictions that have been placed upon the defense.
Jerry Glanville is tanned and rested and living in Atlanta.
Glanville knows defense and Paul Johnson has the personality to control the Glan. It will not happen because the Glan is a nut, but it would be fun to see the defense flying around on the field and CPJ and Glanville fighting in the parking lot.

Jacket Detective

October 9th, 2012
9:36 am

Here’s how to beat Uga: Tell the defense you are going to have a poetry reading after the game if we lose.
Al Groh: how did I end up here when I had my heart set on being the second coming of e e cummings?
A thought the rest of us will never have?

Jacket Detective

October 9th, 2012
9:41 am

I heard Tenuta’s D beat FSU last week btw.
A lot of tough coaches like Tenuta are going to have guys who hate them and also some who love them.
I’d rather have a coach who corrects a mistake and errs on the side of being overbearing than coaches like Chan and Nix who don’t.
It is football and not ballroom dancing.

Jacket Detective

October 9th, 2012
9:43 am

Al Groh: a modern day Trojan horse.

George Stein

October 9th, 2012
9:59 am

The transition from Tenuta to Johnson didn’t exactly go well, so Tenuta isn’t coming back.

As I have said before, hire someone young who runs a simple defense and who will recruit like a madman.


October 9th, 2012
10:22 am

Freddie – you’re wrong about Tenuta. All you have to do is read stuff from his former players to know that they loved playing for him and his system. GT defense avg ranking under him was 20th. Guess where it has been since he left (with the same talent)? In the toilet.

And yeah, his defense full of 3 star guys just beat FSU’s national championship team.

Jacket Detective

October 9th, 2012
10:27 am

@George Stein.
However that should have been done three years ago instead of hiring the guy hanging around who would come cheap due to a past contract with 2 years to go.
Wommack maybe made his smartest moves in the 4th quarter and deserved a third year.
Instead he was thrown under the bus for the 2009 Uga loss.
I’m inspired by Groh’s past poetry reading to remark:
Groh was a bad hire.
Let me count the ways.

Jacket Detective

October 9th, 2012
10:35 am

Ken knows his audience (at least me anyway).
He knew Groh’s poetry reading after losing again to the arch-rival in 2009 would inflame a few.
I try not to be easly combustible but from time to time, I fail.
Great reporting Ken to turn that up.

Jacket Detective

October 9th, 2012
10:42 am

I doubt I will be listened to but I would like Tech fans to rally around this team and cut the criticism of players.
Groh was the problem. His numbers for all three years were not an improvement in the category of points allowed in any of his three years.
In fact each year only got a higher average by about one point worse.
By getting routinely out-coached in the 4th quarter, he demoralized the defense first and then the team.
BTW Jamea Thomas is a good cornerback.
Sweeting may be decent too because he has had to cover without the benefit of any rush on the quarterback.


October 9th, 2012
12:57 pm

I had been on the fence with Groh until the past two weeks. He certainly had the pedigree to command respect, but he didn’t seem to get results. I watched in amazement last week time after time of the defense putting the other team in 3rd and long situations and then would rush 3 (at most 4) and sit back in a zone and get picked apart for the first down. I grant that we may not have some monster sack machines on the team, but if the scheme never tries to adjust to get pressure on the quarterback, you are destined to fail against today’s multifaceted offenses. I wish Mr Groh well in his retirement, but won’t miss the passive nature of the defensive strategies.


October 9th, 2012
6:23 pm

Groh, groh, groh your boat, gently out of town
Merrily, merrily , merrily, merrily,
Beating UGA is still our dream….
Enough poetry…..hire a coach that will make us forget our offensive woes!!