Fitting MTSU loss into Tech history
In case you wanted more torment, I attempted to place Saturday’s 49-28 loss to Middle Tennessee State in Georgia Tech’s bad loss history. As some of you probably know better than I do, it’s historically bad. You could argue it’s worse than the 17-14 Furman loss in 1983, as the margin of defeat was greater and I don’t know that much was expected from that team.
The losses were based on two criteria – that the opponent be a lesser-caliber team and margin of victory. It excludes costly ACC losses or losses to Georgia, but my thinking is that a loss to Georgia or an ACC team (or opponents of the other leagues Tech has belonged to in the past) is more understandable than a loss to a team from the Sun Belt Conference or, in the case of Furman, an FCS team. I’m distinguishing between a bad loss and a costly or emotionally painful loss. Miami was costly. MTSU was bad.
“Lesser caliber” is difficult to determine, particularly the further you go back. The Sagaran rating for the 1902 St. Albans team is not readily accessible, for example. (Much of the information, particularly about opponents, is from websites that I deem to be reasonably reliable.)
1983 – 17-14 loss to Furman. The Paladins were, and are, an FCS (or I-AA) team, so would be even less expected to beat Tech than MTSU was. It remains Tech’s only loss to an FCS-level team. (The Jackets tied Furman in 1986.)
1981 – 28-15 loss to Memphis. (then Memphis State) The Tigers were an independent so I don’t know how you’d categorize them, but they were pretty rancid. Memphis (State) scored more than 13 points only once that season, and that was against Tech in its only win of the season. Tech also went 1-10 after opening the season with a win over No. 4 Alabama in Birmingham in Bill Curry’s second season. I know some about that game, but that’s a tough one to understand.
1968 – 35-14 loss to Navy. The Midshipmen were 2-8 against a rigorous independent schedule. They beat Tech in November, part of a four-game losing streak to end Bud Carson’s second season after the retirement of Bobby Dodd. Navy’s only other win was over Pittsburgh. Tech was 4-6.
From this point to the beginning of the century, Tech’s schedule was almost exclusively comprised of teams on its level, and the Jackets beat just about all of the more suspect outfits.
1902 – 17-0 loss to St. Albans (Va.). St. Albans lost to Virginia 15-0 and 10-0 to N.C. State and tied Furman 0-0, according to sports-reference.com, just two days after beating Tech at Brisbine Park. That Tech team was 0-6-2 under the leadership of Coach John McKee and captain Bully Young, so it’s hard to call this a bad loss, given that the Jackets weren’t very good, as was the case of most of Tech’s first teams. McKee did not return for the 1903 season, after which John Heisman became coach. Brisbine Park, possibly Brisbane Park, was about eight blocks west of where Turner Field now stands.
1900 – 23-0 loss to Nashville. I believe this is the University of Nashville, which Wikipedia says closed in 1909. Nashville lost to Auburn 28-0 and 18-0 to Vanderbilt that season. Tech was 0-4 that season and was outscored 107-6. Games were played at Piedmont Park.
Ken Sugiura, Georgia Tech blog
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Yella-Britches
October 1st, 2012
12:40 pm
All I can say is, “WOW”!
yeller bug
October 1st, 2012
12:44 pm
Glad I got to witness history—–not.
I Don't Understand
October 1st, 2012
12:56 pm
Why hasn’t Groh resigned or been fired yet?
ramblingbuzz
October 1st, 2012
12:57 pm
It was a humiliating loss made doubly so by fact that everyone expected a rebound after the OT losses. Ken, don’t know how much access you have to the players during the week but do you have any indication of their state of mind following the loss?
In other news
October 1st, 2012
12:57 pm
Paul Johnson is making history at Tech and not in a good way
ibidGT
October 1st, 2012
12:57 pm
Congratulations on the achievement CPJ!
Jacket Detective
October 1st, 2012
1:00 pm
The was a perfect storm loss.
Attaochu is to my eye our best defender.
With him and others out, the team quit for a week.
It happens and is the fault of coaches for losing the three OT games with conservative (like the 1980’s Falcons) strategies in the 4th qt.
I’ve compared the three to the 1980 Falcon loss to Dallas after a 17 point lead that set the Falcons back 5 or 10 years.
Bartkowski was having a great season and a great game but was stopped in the 4th quarter by his O coordinator’s playcalling.
But after this bad loss and Clemson coming up, they may realize they still have things to play for.
Since we can’t fire the coaches midseason, maybe Al, like the tin man, will find a brain and occasionally blitz.
jabster
October 1st, 2012
1:04 pm
For what it’s worth, Furman would win a fourth consecutive SoCon title in 1983, and the SoCon only moved down to DI-AA the year prior. Furman would win the SoCon title again in 1985, and then win the DI-AA national championship in 1988.
Jacket Detective
October 1st, 2012
1:07 pm
Tenuta blitzed too much.
Groh blitzes too little.
But if your cover guys aren’t great, blitzing is worth the gamble.
What is tough on both fans and players was all three games (Utah, VT and Miami) appeared to be going our way.
Three games like that following so soon after each other destroyed confidence.
Can the Jackets regroup?
still loyal
October 1st, 2012
1:07 pm
Detective, while I agree with your theory, the tin man was actually searching for a heart. We could use both a brain ( scarecrow by the way) and a heart.
Lavette4066
October 1st, 2012
1:07 pm
Saw both of those Furman games. Embarrassing, but not so painful as Tech was terrible and Furman was regularly dominating the SoCon. Glad I chose not to witness the MTSU game in person as I may have become the third Tech fan to jump off the stadium this year.
Ken Sugiura
October 1st, 2012
1:11 pm
ramblingbuzz – players are made available after games and then tuesday (offense) and wednesday (defense).
Jacket Detective – good observations.
Jabster – I probably should have noted that Furman was at its height. Time will tell how good MTSU’s season will be.
49-28
October 1st, 2012
1:13 pm
Hilarious to see that the announced crowd was 36,000. Maybe 25,000 actually showed up. Great “fans!”
Jacket Detective
October 1st, 2012
1:13 pm
CPJ should not have thrown Wommack under the bus because fans were tired of losing to Uga.
Seniors did not want to learn a new defense in 2010.
But maybe Tech should just be used as a stepping stone.
If u stay here for 5 years or more, u usually get hated for your loyalty.
Both Curry and Ross dumped us for more money and they are thought more highly of than Hewitt and Johnson.
Born2Buzz
October 1st, 2012
1:16 pm
JD,, Al G is like the Tin Man, Scarecrow and Lion all wrapped up together, no heart, no brains and no courage. Maybe CPJ is Oz too. Pay no attention to the man behind the Triple Option.
This loss was maybe the worst ever. But Ken, you have to include losses to UGA and conference foes. Chan had the worst loss ever to UGA (51-7) and the worst loss ever to Clemson (39-3), out two biggest rivals. CPJ hasn’t hit the double like that…yet.
Jacket Detective
October 1st, 2012
1:16 pm
How about a new rule for hiring that no coach can be hired who is “owed” money from a prior job?
It’s a pretty good red flag, we now know.
NGA Jacket
October 1st, 2012
1:17 pm
Make no mistake. The MTSU loss was by far the worst. We were 27 pt favorites
at home against a team we had crused for the past two years.
This is Johnson’s 5th year and there are no excuses.
The character of this team ( and coach ) is on the line.
Jacket Detective
October 1st, 2012
1:17 pm
Thanks for the good laugh Born2Buzz.
gt1012
October 1st, 2012
1:17 pm
http://www.coacheshotseat.com/CoachesHotSeatRanking.htm
I think it’s interesting that CPJ gets paid more than Frank Beamer and about $1M/yr more than Dabo and Jimbo. He’s at the same level as Chip Kelly and Spurrier. His salary is easily in the top 10% of football coaches.
Obviously, he is getting overpaid. Maybe we need to take a closer look at the AD decision making.
old dog
October 1st, 2012
1:19 pm
Never, ever have I seen y’all (or any other D-1 team) quit (yes…..quit!) like that. Besides the coaching, etc. the lack of d-effort should make y’all sick. Not one person who started on D should start against Clemson….not one! Yeah, coach is terrible, but reaching out w/arms for Cunninham in the 4th ‘coz you were scared of gettin’ run over? C’mon, man! I am not a Tech-hater…..I pull for y’all and watched the entire game. That was the poorest cumulitive defensive effort in the history or organized athletics. At least when Baylor and teams like that have high-scoring games there is some razzle-dazzle, etc. Y’all just plain quit, got torn up like a dollar-watch on the spin-cycle, and embarassed our state. Yeah, we will get trounced, too. And yeah, folks pile on when the going gets tough. But, there is NO EXCUSE for anyone in D-1 even if they get beat 100-0 to put forth such a blatant lack of effort!
Jacket Detective
October 1st, 2012
1:21 pm
Thanks for the history, Jabster.
Those Furman teams had talent and were well-coached.
Did their coach go on to Vandy where he had no chance?
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
1:22 pm
Now is it time for Vad?
Is he still “not ready”? All you geniuses seem to have known that he WASN’T ready after the VT game. Just checking to see if the geniuses think he is “ready” (based on whatever criteria you have been using).
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
1:26 pm
VT loss: Tevin throws the worst possible pass in OT, an unnecessary pass into the endzone that got picked. Game over.
Miami loss: Tevin misreads the defense, checks out of the called play, and fails to convert the 4th down in OT. Game over.
MTSU: Tevin underthrows not one but TWO deep passes where the WR beat coverage. Easy TDs, which turned into an incompletion and an interception (followed by a 75 yard TD run, I believe). Game over.
Wake up folks. It’s not coaching. It’s Tevin Washington.
JacketSteve
October 1st, 2012
1:27 pm
The blame goes 100% on the coaching staff. In the VT game clock management on our last drive was poor, and we left them too much time to get in FG range. The Miami game, we had 4th and 1 at the 48 with 2:18 left. Miami was out of time outs. PJ goes for it on 4th down 80% of the time. If he gets the one yard the game is over. Instead he punts and the rest is history. This game was just embarrassing. I don’t care who was out. We should never allow that many yards to a team like that. The experiment is over. Our offense doesn’t allow our defense to prepare for other teams. Our defenders are constantly in the wrong place to make plays. By the end of the season when we’ve gotten blown out by Clemson and Georgia and not made it to a bowl game everyone will see that it is time to move in a different direction.
BigTimeTECHFan
October 1st, 2012
1:28 pm
Don’t forget all the losses to UGA, They are very weak , 90% of the time Tech is a way better team and we find a way to lose.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
1:30 pm
CPJ record without Tevin Washington: 25-8
CPJ record WITH Tevin Washington: 11-12
Any Questions?
49-28
October 1st, 2012
1:30 pm
“”Don’t forget all the losses to UGA, They are very weak, 90% of the time Tech is way better and we find a way to lose.”
HUH?????????????? I thought Tech people were supposed to be smart? That makes ZERO sense. What a fool.
GT Pa
October 1st, 2012
1:31 pm
I figure the DC has one more game to prove something. Replacing him with five days until Clempson won’t make much difference. But with the bye week following and then a weak BC team after that, gives time to change things up.
gordonguy1969
October 1st, 2012
1:33 pm
I root for Tech when they’re not playing Georgia and I was dumbfounded when I saw this score on Saturday. Last year everyone was talking about how Richt was on the hot-seat and at that time it was my opinion, and still is, that Richt was not the one seated there; it was Paul Johnson. I still stand by my opinion. He is the walking definition of a one-trick pony. This “run and gun” offense CAN be defensed, and it doesn’t matter how many points you score if you don’t have a defense that can stop the other team.
Technically Correct
October 1st, 2012
1:33 pm
I put out a lot more effort just getting to the game – a 500+ mile round trip, hotel room, meals, $20 for parking – than I saw from anyone on our side of the field. The fans kept thinking that, sooner or later, the team would “wake up”, play with fire and conviction and display some urgency. It will be a long time before I make that trek again.
Always a Jacket
October 1st, 2012
1:36 pm
Ken, thanks for the history. As a long time Tech fan, I have my memorble losses, a Notre Dame game in the 70’s when Devine ran up the score on Pepper Rogers. But given your criteria, looks like the MTSU loss will make the top 10 no matter MTSU record.
As the program goes into full meltdown, keep us posted on the players attitudes. This situation indicates that the coaches have lost the team. I find it hard to believe the Miami loss triggered it.
BREAKING NEWS
October 1st, 2012
1:36 pm
Groh to resign today at 4:00 PM.
GT Fan
October 1st, 2012
1:37 pm
Born2Buzz ….
You are correct, Sir, regarding CG’s double doozy vs. UGA & Clemson. But don’t forget Mr. Gailey’s other embarrassing losses to:
UNC … had won an ACC game in ??? but dominates GT
Duke … similar to the UNC scenario, but maybe even more of butt kicking
Fresno St …. TWICE! The first L was to a FS team that had suspended NINE starters prior to the game.
UTAH … The Utes had to beat a bad BYU team that year just to be bowl eligible at 6-6, the thoroughly kicked CG’s arse!
DOC 51
October 1st, 2012
1:38 pm
We consistently get manhandled on both sides of the line by real tough opponents.GT won’t go anywhere until this problem is addressed.Our linemen were pitiful against MTSU.You can’t let your QB take hits like TW took in the fourth quarter of that game.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
1:40 pm
Doc: TW takes hits because he is slow and can’t make an individual play to save his life.
AJGT2K
October 1st, 2012
1:41 pm
Come on Ken… 51-7? Most gawdawful GT game I ever watched. And the Gailey apologists can put that one in their pipe and smoke it.
Fire CAG, Fire CPJ, Bench TW (Reggie Ball JR)
Bilbo
October 1st, 2012
1:42 pm
The Three Stooges looked better in their comical football attempts on film. That about covers this humiliating loss. Very little talent it would seem, and even worse coaching. Bobby Dodd, Kim King, and Al Ciraldo have turned over in their graves after this one.
ramblingbuzz
October 1st, 2012
1:42 pm
Who says coaches don’t make a difference? Look at the state of USCe football when Spurrier took over vs. where they are now. It’s been a slow go, but he’s got them in the top 10, at least for now. And they’re doing it with a QB that GT recruited a bit, Connor Shaw, who if I recall correctly ran the TO in high school. And yeah I know all about the recruiting differences and the majors avialable at a University vs. GT.
Bad, but
October 1st, 2012
1:42 pm
The MTSU game was BAD. However, I watched replays of the game 4 times just to try and get a feel for really how bad. After watching it, IMO, GT was not as bad as I first thought. Some, notice some/few, of the missed tackles were over-reacting by the defensive player, being to anxious to make a “big” play rather than breaking-down to make a good solid tackle. Then again a lot of tackles were the reaching type, being out of position and just plan bad form. On the offensive side I saw a lot of dropped balls that were catchable. Just seems like the receivers are not making the catches they should, rather than poorly thrown balls.
One thing is for sure. Either tackles are made and catches are made that should/have to be or Clemson runs GT off the field and the game is over by half time.
GT Fan
October 1st, 2012
1:43 pm
I agree GT Joe …. Tevin’s a ball hog. Heck, maybe he underthrows/overthrows his receivers so HE can get more chances to call his own #?
Didn’t see the incomplete pass you talk about vs. MTSU, but surely saw the INT … a severely underthrown ball which resulted in a INT.
GT’s O seldom pitches anymore (is that TW?), and I don’t think I’ve seen the quick-pitch to Aback play since early in 2011?
Jacket Attack
October 1st, 2012
1:44 pm
I sit here in front of this computer today, and know that none of you poster can actually have graduated from Tech. Think about it for a second! Yes was the loss bad? Yes! Was the loss embarassing? Yes. You blame coaches who cannot catch the ball for them, tackle them, and hold onto the football for them. I am a loyal Ga Tech dude and stoping going to the games or supporting the team is not the right thing to do at this point. I say we put enough faith in PJ to have hired him, lets at least let him try to work it out. Those millions of dollars it will take to pay him out of his contract could be used somewhere else such as filling the stadium or updating the stadium. I give all I can to tech but Im telling you now if you don’t want to see Tech end up like lets say NC State,Wake Forrest,Texas Tech or someone like that then you will shut up and get behind the team and the current coaching staff. I wonder what this blog will bring if we upset Clemson on Saturday and beat UGAG at the end of the year. Will you all still be calling for the coaches head? Its time you all grow up and support the team and the coaches and lets all get through this together.
Highly Respected Southern Troll
October 1st, 2012
1:45 pm
The 30-24 loss to Georgia in 2009 was the worst in Paul Johnson’s tenure at Tech for a variety of reasons. The MTSU game the other day and the Kansas game in 2010 are about equally inexplicable.
juvenal
October 1st, 2012
1:45 pm
Furman was worse, i was there…..MTSU has good talent, 3 dozen of them from here, good recruiting, great coaching….Furman was even a worse coaching job, barely…..& back then, i took stuff like this seriuosly….actually felt worse about Gunners loss to the blues……
GT Fan
October 1st, 2012
1:46 pm
Bad, but ……
Go back and watch the INT when GT was trailing 35-28. The WR is so wide open, behind the DB, A SURE TD IF TW THROWS A DEEPER BALL. DB picks it, and returns to GT’s 15 yd line. MTSU scores to go up 42-28. A 35-35 game becomes a 14 pt deficit b/c TW severly underthrew a wide open J.Greene.
If do right, no can defense
October 1st, 2012
1:47 pm
Just realized Tevin looks a lot like The-Dream.
Yes, I’m that dazed by this loss.
Jacket Detective
October 1st, 2012
1:48 pm
@GT Joe.
U r making a better case that Chan should not have been fired.
He had a great recruiter and CPJ has won with Chan’s players. (as Uga fans predicted)
If Tevin is so terrible, that’s on CPJ as well.
He makes that call, not me or anyone else on this blog.
These are his players now.
You are not arguing with me.
Actually u r arguing with CPJ.
I’d like to see Synjyn for a play now and then like we were told was going to happen in preseason.
Someone missed a block on his one play and I guess he’s done for the season.
AJGT2K
October 1st, 2012
1:49 pm
Jacket Attack, are you on CPJ’s staff? Sounds exactly like something CPJ would say throwing the players under the bus.
49-28
October 1st, 2012
1:50 pm
JacketAttack, Tech is already like NC State, Wake, and Texas Tech. They never do anything and mean nothing in this state. Look back little man, you guys average 7-8 wins a year and that’s it along with the annual loss to UGA and the annual bowl loss.
JacketSteve
October 1st, 2012
1:50 pm
GT Joe, whose fault is it that Tevin hasn’t improved at all throwing the ball? Didn’t we all blame Chan for not making Reggie Ball a better player and wasting the greatest receiver on the planet in Calvin? PJ’s only good defense was loaded with Chan’s players that are in the NFL now. The teams we’ve beaten since PJ has gotten here aren’t that good. FSU was going downhill when we beat them twice. Georgia wasn’t winning any SEC East titles the ONE time we beat them. Nobody was scared of Miami the ONE time we beat them. We beat Clemson last year, and we all saw what happened to them in the Orange Bowl. Other than that it’s been wins against Duke, Maryland, Vandy, Miss St., UVA. When he was at Navy he beat Notre Dame when they were at their low point, and that got him this job. He won’t beat Notre Dame again. Stephon Tuitt will agree with that.
Jacket Attack
October 1st, 2012
1:51 pm
Its over guys! and Middle Tenn State will attend a bowl wait and see. Lets all worry about clemson now.
Bad, but
October 1st, 2012
1:52 pm
GT Fan,
Yes the ball was under thrown, no doubt. If you watch close you will see that the receiver also had his hands on the ball and could have made the catch as well as the defender. Yes, had the ball been thrown a slightly farther distance the defender would have not had a shot at it. But, like I said the receiver could very well have caught the pass also. I’m not saying every pass was thrown accurately, as you and I know they were not.
Jacket Attack
October 1st, 2012
1:52 pm
Tuitt is a mama’s boy that wanted to go to tech but his mama wouldnt let him!
The Ugly truth
October 1st, 2012
1:53 pm
Don’t forget the beating Tech took from Utah in the Emerald Nut Bowl when no one had really heard of Utah.
Don’t forget the beating Tech took from Fresno State in the Silicon Valley Bowl when no one had heard of Fresno State.
Don’t forget the beating Tech took from Fresno State in the Humanitarian Bowl when we barely knew about Fresno State.
Don’t forget the beating Tech took from Air Force in the Independence Bowl which ran the same offense as Tech.
Shall I go on?
Old GA boy
October 1st, 2012
1:53 pm
Tech has no Defense because of the offense they run. They never practice against a traditional college offense. If you can’t practice against it then how can you be expected to stop it on Saturday.
Jacket Detective
October 1st, 2012
1:54 pm
@Jacket Attack.
Good speech.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
1:54 pm
Detective: Recruiting is not the issue. Look at 2010. Nesbitt gets hurt, and Tevin promptly loses 4 of the last 5 WITH GAILEY’S RECRUITS.
And yes, I’m mad at CPJ for not opening his eyes to the fact that Tevin is a horrible athlete.
Who Says,
October 1st, 2012
1:55 pm
Enter your comments here
atl urinal and constipation reader
October 1st, 2012
1:55 pm
I agree, I think this loss was worse than the one to Furman because the 1983 Tech team was expected to be bad. For what it is worth Middle Tenn. is 3-1 but their loss is from an FCS school.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
1:57 pm
CPJ is to blame for Vad not starting LAST YEAR. I get that he wants to redshirt folks, save up talent for the future. But meanwhile, we just threw away our 2nd season on Tevin (and are wasting a full year of eligibility for Vad at the same time).
Who Says,
October 1st, 2012
1:58 pm
Who says, the GT defense practices against the GT offense? Doesn’t practices take place against a scout team who attempts to replicate the team’s offense & defense GT is to play the next game?
Someone help me out on this?
Jacket Detective
October 1st, 2012
1:59 pm
You’re wrong Joe.
Thomas, Morgan, Dwyer and Burnett left after the 2009 season.
NC State and a terrible Kansas team beat us while Nesbitt was the QB in 2010.
Nesbitt spent the NC State game running for his life.
The defense looked as terrible in that game as they have this season.
NO improvement.
That’s on Groh & CPJ.
Tech Fan Since 1950
October 1st, 2012
2:00 pm
I wasn’t around in 1900 and 1902, but I did see the losses to Furman (my son went to school there and they had a really good team that year), to Navy in1968 (really cold day with sleet), and the 1981 game against Memphis State. Last Saturday’s loss to MTSU was by far the worst loss at Grant Field that I personally haver seen due to the ramifications of Tech’s current status. I do want to give credit to MTSU because they deserved the victory and I think they will turn out to be a pretty good team despite their first loss to McNease State. Three years ago Tech went to a defense they did not have the personnel to play. It takes time to recruit and grow the huge defensive linemen and linebackers required. There remains nothing wrong with the Tech offense except a few more passes. It is time Saturday to throw Vad Lee to the Tigers! It is sink or swim time for Tech.
Jacket Detective
October 1st, 2012
2:02 pm
Thomas – 1st round
Morgan – 1st round
Burnett – 3rd round
Dwyer – 5th round but was hurt by rumors than slow 40 yard time.
Tech never has two players go in the first round.
Tell me when that has happened.
It is rare enough to have one Jacket in the 1st round.
Even with those players and Nesbit, we lost to Uga at home in 2009.
That is when we learned CPJ wasn’t that great a coach.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm
Sorry Detective. Didn’t realize that all of Gailey’s recruits left after 2009. Didn’t know that Gailey only recruited those 3 players you mentioned. LOL.
5-3 with Nesbitt that year. 1-4 with Tevin that year. Same damn team. Is it not clear how bad Tevin is?
Jacket Attack
October 1st, 2012
2:03 pm
@ Gt Joe,
Think about what your saying, Would you really want vad behind that o-line? I watched kidney over and over on Saturday let the linebacker or DE from middle tenn run right by him and kill tevin numerous times. I guess its tevins fought for not throwing td passes from his back? This is nuts you guys want to fire the coaches, change qbs, and let all the freshman play. Lets fix the problem what you say and that starts in the trenches on both sides. Im no coach but if you can block and tackle and get push up front you usally have sucess.
Jacket Attack
October 1st, 2012
2:06 pm
@Jacket Detective yeah that was PJ’s fought in 2009 you know I seen him run on the field and slap the ball right out of bey’s bey’s hands! I swear you guys got to stop downgrading our team and our coaches and players.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
2:06 pm
Attack: Yes, i WOULD MUCH rather have Vad behind that line than Tevin. Vad can make plays with his feet. Tevin cannot. Vad can pass. Tevin cannot.
Tevin is a sitting duck behind that line. Vad can at least make an individual play once in a while (a la nesbitt).
Are you saying you would rather have Tevin behind a weak o-line? LOL. Okay.
Jacket Time
October 1st, 2012
2:07 pm
Hate to quote Saban but the great motivators are disappointment and defeat. Lets hope (however as we know too well that as GT fans our hope usually gets crushed) this loss wakes the team up. Like when Dream team coach chuck daly threw the scrimmage game against the college team.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
2:09 pm
Attack: not to mention, a decent passing game takes pressure off the o-line, makes the defense respect that pass.
With Tevin? defenses just pin their ears back and dare us to throw. And you see the results.
DOC 51
October 1st, 2012
2:11 pm
GT passing attack stinks period.Greene dropped 2 huge passes ,and TW underthrew him on one that could have been a TD.S.DAYS,VAD LEE,AND SNODDY LOOK GOOD over there in their baseball caps.Maybe they will be ready in another 3 yrs.
Jacket Detective
October 1st, 2012
2:13 pm
@Jacket Time.
There is a chance we’ll regroup.
We could be a dangerous team because we now have nothing to lose and can take every gamble if we choose to.
4 or 5
October 1st, 2012
2:13 pm
different outcomes to plays and we are undefeated, ranked in the top ten and packing our bags for a BCS bowl. We are that close to being a very dominate program. Looking at our roster I only see two or three players that are not equal to any of the mutts.
Buuuzzzzzz………….buuuuuzzzz goes the alarm clock…………shocking me from me dream………..back to reality. We don’t have ONE player that would make the two deep UGA roster in fact I don’t see a single player that could supplant anyone on the teams we have played or ar scheduled to play. We are truly that bad
.
AntoineFord
October 1st, 2012
2:14 pm
Maybe it was karma from the Cumberland game.
RambleOn84
October 1st, 2012
2:14 pm
The team quit, but so did Coach Johnson.
When Tevin went back on the field after that horrendous INT, I knew Coach gave up on the game. We’re in a situation where we HAVE to pass, and our best passer is standing on the sidelines. You can’t tell me Johnson didn’t give up there.
Jacket Detective
October 1st, 2012
2:17 pm
Tell me how GT and Nesbitt lost to a terrible Kansas team in 2010.
Kansas is a basketball school and seldom is any good at football.
That 2010 Kansas team was crushed by everyone else they played.
Jacket Time
October 1st, 2012
2:18 pm
Thats my thought detective. I hope we don’t regroup too soon though it’d be nice to have uga greatly underestimate us. Lets be honest that is the only game that really matters at this point. I feel like if we surprise clemson again it really doesn’t mean much… Been there done that last year and we know what came of that.
OkieDawg
October 1st, 2012
2:18 pm
Even as a Dawg, I will not kick a team when they are down. GT is a better team than showed up against MTSU. It was a let down after a very disappointing loss to Miami. That happens sometimes. I am pulling for the Techies and wish them good luck against Clemson. Go get those Tigers!
Jacket Time
October 1st, 2012
2:22 pm
Thanks for the uplift okiedawg. Its so hard to be positive right now. We’re all just crushed.
Ramble what I can tell you
October 1st, 2012
2:22 pm
is I remember ALL the Techsters proclaiming “there’s a new sheriff in town” – “nobody can stop the T.O.” – “CPJ is a freaking genius”, “CPJ is the smartest / best coach in America” – “we don’t need 4 or 5 star recruits CPJ can COACH THEM UP” I could continue for hours but my fingers would be flat from the typing
juvenal
October 1st, 2012
2:22 pm
here we go again-time for the rich guys that run tech athletics to step in…since the problem is coaches getting fat contracts for fluke years, and then having to pay big bucks to get rid of them, let’s hope they dig deep & get rid of the real problem-go to the prez & fire drad!
Mike S.
October 1st, 2012
2:26 pm
I dont think Vlad is going to make a difference really. People were calling for Washington during Nesbitt’s senior year too. Vlad will likely start playing if the season really unravels from here. Defensively, Tech is awful. Offensively, there has been no consistency at all against Va Tech, Miami, or MTSU. Spurts of greatness here and there, but thats it.
I wouldnt be too hard on the passing game. These guys are not drilled for it. Ideally, Tech should rarely be dropping back to pass at all under Johnson. Its no surprise it looked a bit lack luster. Reminded me of the Orange bowl when they abandoned the run with Nesbitt at QB.
Jacket Time
October 1st, 2012
2:26 pm
Ramble i’d say maybe about half said that. Especially after beating a really good UGA team in 2008. I mean how could we not think that? The dargs were preseason #1 and we put 45 pts agai st a strong SEC defense of course we would think that.
Losing Season?
October 1st, 2012
2:31 pm
Show of hands….who thinks Tech will beat Clemson, Boston College, BYU, North Carolina, Georgia? Duke is playing better too. Does not bode well for the overall record. Is a coaching change in the future with a losing season? Can anyone really exceed at Tech given the curriculum, etc.
Spike
October 1st, 2012
2:36 pm
GT Bob, Supersize, St. Simons… A penny for your thoughts……
Ain't Gonna Happen
October 1st, 2012
2:37 pm
Forget the fire CPJ crap. That WILL NOT, repeat WILL NOT take place any time soon. And, it SHOULDN’T. Period end of story. I will continue to believe in him, at least through this year and next anyway. IMO he will get the job done!!! However, CAG, I don’t think he will be at GT next year. His days and experiment are numbered. I am concerned who his replacement might be. Does GT want to pay the kind of money a top notch DC will want and will a top DC want a job at GT with all of the academic recruiting constraints. May be at best GT can find a young up and comer as a DC. We’ll see.
Bottom line is: I am not ready to throw in the towel on CPJ and this team, not yet. Not for a least another year. I STILL BELIEVE.
Dan
October 1st, 2012
2:49 pm
One more to consider for the list: Tech lost to VMI 14-13 in 1950. That’s Virginia Military, not VPI. VMI coach Nugent had created the then-new “I” formation, and Tech was its second victim. VMI picked up over 400 yards that day. That was the only time VMI defeated Tech in 15 games over the years.
Jacket Time
October 1st, 2012
2:52 pm
Agreed its not CPJ’s time YET. I’ve been a long time supporter but man after next season if we’re not playing up to our potential, it is going to be hard to support him. I still have a faint bit a faith. This loss was a tough pill to swallow and i hesitant to hold my breath but you know you got to see how it all pays out and i’m not ready to give up entirely just yet.
Way To Go
October 1st, 2012
2:53 pm
As a bulldog fan, there is not many times I go out of the way to congratulate Tech fans. However, history has been made and a congratulations is definitely in order. Hooray for Tech!
Bill
October 1st, 2012
2:55 pm
I was present at the Furman loss and tie. My parents were Furman alumni and the Paladins were very good in those years, swapping NC’s with Ga Southern in 1-AA. This weekend was far worse!
Jacket Time
October 1st, 2012
2:56 pm
I understand though why pple are calling for CPJ’s head:
All the world loves a winner and has no time for a loser (again sorry to quote another coach, a ND one at that)
But we know which side of the former phrase we’re leaning towards.
Jacket Time
October 1st, 2012
3:01 pm
Well way to go i also rejoice at uga’s failures because of fans like you so go ahead rub it in. You won’t see me on your blog though after y’all lose another nonconference game/SEC championship. I just will have a silent satisfaction knowing you’re throwing your TV out the window and cursing your arse off.
DS CE'91
October 1st, 2012
3:02 pm
I was a freshman at the 1986 tie – that one stung, but Saturday was far worse…..
Way To Go
October 1st, 2012
3:06 pm
@Jacket Time…Being rivals we have to give it to each other every once in a while. And just so you know I do a lot of cursing even when we’re winning. I don’t call them the “cardiac kids” for nothing. They always make us sweat a little.
DS CE'91
October 1st, 2012
3:06 pm
OK, GT Joe, you’ve worn me down – bring on the VAD LEE ERA!!!
I just hope he can tackle and defend the intermediate pass routes…..
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
3:09 pm
CPJ with Tevin: 11-12 record
without Tevin: 25-8
Any questions?
Technically Correct
October 1st, 2012
3:13 pm
Time for some more “Hope and Change,” guys?
DS CE'91
October 1st, 2012
3:14 pm
GT Joe,
None from me. All I want is for the Jackets to win. I hope you are right, and that CPJ uses the young man effectively.
GO JACKETS!!!
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
3:17 pm
Joe…..I think it’s time Vad got more of a chance too, but tell me something…….what are you going to say if Vad gets out there and the same things happen to him that happen to Tevin, or he too underthrows a pass that gets intercepted and run back for a TD? There is no guarantee that that won’t happen with him too. Remember, PART of Tevin’s problems (not all, but part) are due to ineffective blocking by the line. That’s not going to change with a new QB. We know what Vad CAN do, but we certainly do not know how he will respond in a game-on-the-line type situation. What happens if he falls flat on his face then too?
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
3:22 pm
Super: Vad might fail, but he has an excuse. Just as we gave Nesbitt a pass when he was learning the system, and TW a pass when he went 1-4 to close 2010.
I would have rather seen Vad fail than TW against MTSU. TW failing does absolutely nothing for our future, he’s gone after this year.
As for ineffective blocking, I saw Tevin tentative in the pocket, late throwing the ball, making the OL block for a few seconds longer than they need to, making the OL look bad. And even if the OL is bad (which I don’t think it is), Vad can make plays scrambling that Tevin simply can’t.
USMC Dawg
October 1st, 2012
3:23 pm
As a Dawg fan, I also like for Tech to do well(except that one day a year).
I think this loss really stings because it comes just one week after the disappointing loss to Miami where you had the game won and GAVE it away in the 4th quarter and overtime.
I also think that CPJ does NOT like to pass the ball(obviously), and what is disturbing the rhythm of the offense this year is CPJ trying to placate fans by incorporating a pass scheme into the Triple Option offense. Think about it. Tech’s offense for the last 4 years that CPJ has been HC has racked up some REALLY gaudy numbers and victories.
It’s the DEFENSE that has been Paul Johnson’s Achilles Heel. SO instead of throwing the baby out with the bathwater, someone, “D-RAD!”, needs to help CPJ go out and get a DECENT D-Coordinator after the season is over.
CPJ also needs to step up a bit in recruiting. Have you seen our two freshmen runningbacks named “Gurshall”??? You have got to bring in higher calibre talent and don’t tell me you can’t at Tech because of the curriculum. Stanford anyone???
Go Dawgs!
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
3:28 pm
USMC: talent is there. CPJ just has them on the bench. Days. Snoddy. Lee. In 2014, we’ll be wondering how on earth these kids were riding pine in 2012.
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
3:28 pm
@ Joe……I don’t disagree with any of that. But at the same time I don’t hate Tevin, the way you seem to. I doubt that you really hate do him, but you DO seem to in some of your posts. Hate the way he plays, but don’t hate the man. At least give him credit for trying; after all, he’s not trying to lose. I am sure he hates the way things turn out as much as anybody. One positive thing I saw him do Saturday, and it well may have been his fault that he got in this position, but late in the game he literally hurdled over some defenders on the sideline reaching out and making a first down in an extremely difficult situation. Again, maybe he put himself in that situation to begin with, but at least he TRIED (and succeeded on that play) to make something out of it.
WnE
October 1st, 2012
3:29 pm
re:
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
1:30 pm
CPJ record without Tevin Washington: 25-8
CPJ record WITH Tevin Washington: 11-12
Any Questions?
________________
Who is the guy that RECRUITED TW and then judged him to be the best QB and put him atop the QB depth chart?
Any more Questions?
Ghost
October 1st, 2012
3:30 pm
Vad or Days could be the 2nd coming of RG3 but with the lack of talent at skill positions and poor line play the results would be similar. Straight across the board MTSU had better Rb, Wrs, Qb than GT. PJ has failed miserably as a “head coach”
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
3:34 pm
@ USMC……not trying to use the curriculum as an excuse, but Stanford is a UNIVERSITY, just like UGA is. They offer MANY MORE degrees for athletes than Tech does. That being said, however, the recent ranking of colleges based on income earned after graduation compared to cost of the education shows Tech as number 1 in the entire country. UGA, to their credit, ranks number 4, but that is more than likely due to the fact that most doctors and lawyers graduate from schools like UGA, and not schools like Tech. Even so though, the difference in points between number 1 and number 4 is quite substantial. Even with a limited curriculum, that ranking should be exploited to the max by Tech in recruiting. After all, although most HS grads like to think they may someday play in the NFL, the vast majority of them never do. One would think that going to a school where the potential for becoming wealthy in non-athletic fields after graduation would be a BIG recruiting tool.
Tech Man
October 1st, 2012
3:35 pm
Here’s the bad news. We’re stuck with CPJ for at least 3 more years. Don’t have to worry about anyone hiring him away because no one wants to put up with his ego and the triple option. So, basically we’re stuck with him until his contract runs out. And then if we would happen to beat Georgia, which I seriously doubt, RAD would probably give him a 6 year extension. Bottom line CPJ isn’t going anywhere.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
3:35 pm
Never said I hated Tevin. In fact, never said anything negative about him as a person. All I have said is, Vad is a better passer, runner, athlete. I said Tevin can’t throw. I said he throws ducks. I said he gets tackled by the first guy almost every time. I said he chokes and makes bad mistakes in critical times. I said he tries hard, but you need to try hard AND have athleticism to win. These are all just facts, not insults. not hate.
A real man can accept that his best is just not good enough.
USMC Dawg
October 1st, 2012
3:35 pm
“USMC: talent is there. CPJ just has them on the bench. Days. Snoddy. Lee. In 2014, we’ll be wondering how on earth these kids were riding pine in 2012.”–GT Joe
Not a bad example Joe, but you need it across the board, like in the TRENCHES, etc.
But I agree with your point. Please don’t play Vad Lee against my Bulldawgs. Tevin is starting to resemble Reggie Ball, well may be that’s a stretch, but you get my point.
One other point, if CPJ has had MUCH more success when he just runs the ball, why not leave the pass alone. When that Tech “Run” Offense is clicking on all cylinders, it’s hard to stop. But you have to have a DEFENSE.
I think CPJ has been trying to incorporate a pass attack because of the fans “whining” about NOT having one. WHo cares! Run the friggin ball and tie up the loose ends on Defense.
Go Dawgs!
Ekim56
October 1st, 2012
3:37 pm
BigTimeTECHFan
October 1st, 2012
1:28 pm
Don’t forget all the losses to UGA, They are very weak , 90% of the time Tech is a way better team and we find a way to lose.
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I disagree entirely. I’d say 80-90% of the time Georgia is way better and once in a blue moon we find a way to win. And I’m not a UGA fan; I just call it the way I see it.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
3:37 pm
WnE: I don’t fault CPJ for recruiting Tevin. Kid was player of the year in his state. He’s just not as good as folks thought he could be.
I DO fault CPJ for sticking with Tevin. I DO fault CPJ for not starting his star recruit (Vad) LAST year. Vad is probably the best recruit CPJ has gotten, and he is doing nothing.
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
3:38 pm
Joe, I know you never said you hate Tevin, but some of what you say, and the frequency with which you say pretty much the same thing, SEEMS to IMPLY a hatred for him.
greta
October 1st, 2012
3:41 pm
Help from D Rad? Thats funny!
He helped us violate NCAA rules to the tune of several scholaships and vacating of ACC championship, with no remorse or apology or accountability from anyone.
And now this coaching debacle the A D has overseen. If this is help from D rad we have had enough!
GT is D Rad’s retirement plan. He is laughing all the way to the Bank!
Does not represent Tech. Neither does pj. He is no coach. Wants to punch someone and hang himself after losing. I wonder why the players have quit.
Oh never mind.
Rottin from the top and no repercussions.
Alumni of influence are asleep.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
3:43 pm
I’ve been on here since the VT game calling for Vad. All I heard was “he’s not ready”. “can’t throw him into the fire”. “if CPJ thought he was ready, he’d be starter”.
My question is this: how will we know that Vad is ready? Are we waiting for a sign from God? And if he’s not ready now, why do you think he’ll be ready Fall 2013?
USMC Dawg
October 1st, 2012
3:49 pm
Some young defensive Asst. coach needs to go GRAB these kids on the defense and get them back to basics. Drive into their heads the idea of “Keep it simple stupid”. Let the recent past GO! and let’s get back to having fun on defense. These kids look like they are timid or “over thinking” DEFENSE.
Al Groh needs to quietly pass the reins to his best subordinate, get out of the way, and become an adviser/figure head.
-just saying
Grinch
October 1st, 2012
3:50 pm
Doesn’t matter if T Washington under-threw 25 passes….our D couldn’t stop MTSU for ONE DRIVE! So it’s all water under the bridge on TW’s performance. Offense scored 28 points…. they just can’t defend under 49…..
Grinch
October 1st, 2012
3:53 pm
The time is now to start Vad b/c your season is tanked, fans are bailing and falling from the stands in droves, and even Dawg fans feel sorry for you….. it’s time to make some drastic changes coach or YOU will be the next thing that goes.
San Anselmo
October 1st, 2012
3:54 pm
Jackets Detective, it’s good to commiserate with someone who remembers that Falcons loss in the 1980 season playoffs (the game was played on Jan 4, 1981). That loss still hurts for me. It was particularly painful for me at the time as Tech had such a terrible season that year – one loss and one tie, as I recollect. The one tie was even bittersweet as it was over then #1 Notre Dame and allowed UGA to step into the #1 position. The Falcons-Cowboys game came just days after UGA beat ND to take the national championship (in a game in which neither UGA nor ND played very well). The Falcons were my sunshine that fall and early winter and they folded like a cheap suit. A total dereliction of duty.
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
3:54 pm
@ USMC……for starters, somebody needs to teach them how to TACKLE. A guy sitting behind me at the game said his nephew had attended football camps at Tech, and the emphasis was not on tackling, but on stripping the ball. Forget the damn ball; get the runner on the ground.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
3:55 pm
Grinch:
Let’s see: VT overtime INT? blame the defense
Miami overtime misread on 4th down? blame the defense
MTSU missing 2 wide open guys for TDs with underthrown ducks? Get FOUR yards on NINETEEN carries (not a typo)? Under .500 on 3rd down conversions? blame the defense.
I swear, Tevin gets more free passes than anyone in sports history.
USMC Dawg
October 1st, 2012
3:55 pm
“My question is this: how will we know that Vad is ready? Are we waiting for a sign from God? And if he’s not ready now, why do you think he’ll be ready Fall 2013?”
Obviously CPJ sees the kid everyday in practice, so he probably knows which of the QB’s is best suited to run his offense.
I think some of you Tech fans just like Vad Lee’s ketchy name. How do you know the kid is better than Tevin?
We thought the same thing at UGA with Mettenburg and Aaron Murray. Everyone liked Mettenburg because of his size and questioned CMR. Well we now see that CMR knew which QB was better. (not to forget that Mettenburg did himself in off the field as well)
My point is let the coach.. COACH. You hired him to come do a job at least let him do the job.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
3:57 pm
Seriously folks. Tevin got 4 yards on 19 carries.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
4:01 pm
USMC: Tevin is 11-12 as QB. Tevin has made Reggie Ball-esque mistakes to cost us games. and he just rushed for 4 yards on 19 carries. Against UGA last year he was 3-10 with 2 INTs.
Meanwhile, Vad is 6-9 for 131 yards and a TD, 226 passer rating, has 19 rushes with an AVERAGE of 10 yards per carry and 3 TDs.
Does that help?
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
4:01 pm
Joe, not arguing with you here, but regarding the defense, were you aware that prior to Saturday’s game, that MTSU RB had produced 91 yards on 40-something carries? And yet Saturday he gained more than 200 yards against Tech. Regardless of what Tevin did or didn’t do, the defense screwed up that game all on their own.
USMC Dawg
October 1st, 2012
4:01 pm
“@ USMC……for starters, somebody needs to teach them how to TACKLE. A guy sitting behind me at the game said his nephew had attended football camps at Tech, and the emphasis was not on tackling, but on stripping the ball. Forget the damn ball; get the runner on the ground”
That’s sort of what I was alluding to by getting back to basics. These kids are lacking fundamentals and it’s obvious. I scream at my Bulldogs all of the time because they lack a lot of fundamentals; however, they (get lucky and) make up for it with shear talent most of the time. (drives me crazy!)
I would love to go knock on CPJ’s door and take a junior position on the Defensive side of the ball and get these kids motivated.
Okay, I will wake up and get back to reality. LOL!
Go Dawgs!
Dumbo
October 1st, 2012
4:02 pm
Bilbo – Al Ciraldo didn’t turn over in his grave…he bellows from the grave “Toe Meets Butt, It’s Git” …CAG is complaining how his butt is sore.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
4:03 pm
After the VT game I polled the blog:
Would you rather see Tech go 8-4 with Tevin or 7-5 with Vad.
New Poll:
Would you rather see Tech go 4-8 with Tevin or 7-5 with Vad?
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
4:03 pm
@ USMC…….you seem to be an ok dawg; we don’t see too many like you on the Tech blogs.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
4:07 pm
Super: Yet another pass for Tevin. I wonder if Tevin just got 50 yards on those 19 carries, instead of 4, if we could have won.
Think about it. 4 yards on 19 carries is basically throwing away 19 offensive plays. It’s like playing with only 3 downs instead of 4.
THWG
October 1st, 2012
4:09 pm
This is how Tech plays when they don’t have the players. Fire PJ and the entire coaching staff and start from scratch. They should pursue Mario Cristobal from FIU.
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
4:09 pm
Joe……I didn’t mean that as a pass on Tevin. But the fact remains that the D lost that game. Anyway, I am outta here for awhile. I got to go to the gym so I can get in shape and take over from both Tevin and Vad on Saturday…….LOL
USMC Dawg
October 1st, 2012
4:18 pm
“@ USMC…….you seem to be an ok dawg; we don’t see too many like you on the Tech blogs”
Thanks Supersize!
People who go to blogs to voice their happiness in another team’s failure are usually LOSERS in my book.
I was born and raised in Atlanta and like Tech (except that one day of the year).
I also like what CPJ has brought to Tech. Let’s face it, Chan was a nice man and good recruiter, but he was NOT a good X’s and O’s football coach.
fuzzybee78
October 1st, 2012
4:24 pm
Defense, Defense, Defense!
Even with 4 turnovers we should have won 28-24.
We were missing 4 starters on D and got schemed — but we still should have given up field goals not TD’s. Our second teamers were not ready for prime time. The D looked like they didnt care late, that hurt!
Offense,
4 turnovers plus dropped passes and stupid penalties and poor pass blocking at critical times. TW had very little to do with any of that, but he sure cant athletically overcome it either. Vad alone would not have overcome the other issues, but he needs to play more yes. Our WR need to be drilled over and over and over to catch with their hands, they know how to block.
Coaching,
I dont hate anybody. I respect CAG as a class guy and a man who knows his craft. That said, its clear the 3-4 even with the gap change and nickel package variation arent working. Is it scheme or players, probably both. Players have to make plays, coaches cant do it for um.
CPJ baring a losing season is not going anywhere. I think he needs to evolve his offense more to the players strengths he has. Are you interested in winning or simply proving the system works if everybody blocks it Perfectly. Dont waste Vad because he cant run the system perfectly. System has to change some if we are to compete with anybody especially top 25 programs.
USMC Dawg
October 1st, 2012
4:27 pm
Coach Paul Johnson is going NOWHERE, folks.
And be careful what you wish for.
You are a good defense away from being a great team in the ACC.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
4:32 pm
Fuzzy: You obviously missed two deep passes that Tevin underthrew. WRs had their man beat, they were TDs. You also must have missed Tevin’s 4 yards rushing on 19 carries. Finally, you clearly missed Tevin leading us to 6-13 on 3rd down conversions.
Did you miss Tevin’s INT in OT at VT? Did you miss the misread in OT that cost us the Miami game? Did you miss his 3-10 with 2 INTs vs. UGA last year? Have you been asleep during his 11-12 record as starter?
MaconGTFan
October 1st, 2012
4:36 pm
@Joe You asked how do we know Vad is not ready? Did you watch the game? Bad came in for one series and read the option wrong on everyplay. He handed it off for the dive twice when he should have kept and pitched (even Wakes old QB called em out for it) and the one time he kept and pitched he should have handed it off. I do think Vad should be starting, but he’s just not ready and I don’t our line will hold up for 20+ passing attempts a game.
MaconGTFan
October 1st, 2012
4:37 pm
Vad not bad.
joel
October 1st, 2012
4:40 pm
Bad team. Poor coaching. Players have quit !!! 35,000 empty seats will welcome them back at the Boston College game. I will be one of the “empty seats”.
Buzzed-for-Life
October 1st, 2012
4:41 pm
Can’t you people realize Georgia Tech’s academic rigors are much more stringent than every other college in the United States. We just cannot be expected to compete on a high level week in and week out. It is impossible for us to compete with the Alabama’s and MTSU’s of college football and keep up academically too.
Just be thankful we have a Head Football Coach whose intelligence is on par with our boys on the gridiron. It has been well documented that CPJ is always the smartest coach on the sidelines.
I’m calling for EVERY Georgia Tech fan to support CPJ and his team of Einstein’s. And to embrace who we are instead of who we are not,
We are Georgia Tech!!!!
Born2Buzz
October 1st, 2012
4:43 pm
GT Joe, do you think maybe the D is laying down because of CPJ’s insistence on keeping Vad on the bench?
I have the utmost respect for Tevin as a student athlete, but the sample size is big enough to know what the results will be with him on the field.
Time for a change.
And time for a change with Al G as well. But I liked the idea of not doing it until after the Clemons game. Wait until we get smoked by the Dabodoos and then let him go over the bye week.
But I can’t for the life of me figure out why CPJ sticks with TW.
And Super, in an earlier blog, you said something about Vad looking horrible in the 1st half. He was in for one series, they ran the dive play 3 times for no gain and he threw 2 completions to get one 1st down. He wasn’t horrible.
joel
October 1st, 2012
4:47 pm
If our players are so smart, why do we seem to make stupid mistakes every week. Ex: Safety on a kickoff in the Miami game. Ex: Reggie Ball throws football out of bounds on 4th down ( Uga game).
We need to admit our players are just not as athletic as most other teams we play.
MaconGTFan
October 1st, 2012
4:47 pm
@Born2Buzz Those weren’t dive plays Vad was running. He just read the option wrong on all three downs in that series. Bad may have the arm, but he doesn’t have the know how as of yet to run the tripple option. No QB will see the field in this offense if they can’t run the tripple option.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
4:49 pm
Macon: Yes, i hear many folks say Vad isn’t ready. Kid was 4-4 passing, 2 rushes for 23 yards, Saturday. His two drives went a total of 72 yards, one ended by the clock. Can’t wait to see his stats when you think he IS ready.
And by the way, what will need to happen for you to think he IS ready?
Jmonty
October 1st, 2012
4:50 pm
For the most part CPJ’s offense works… We are always in the top 5 or so in rushing in the nation. However; when the “D” stinks it up and the DC doesn’t know what he is doing and looks lost, it causes trouble. It is really unfair to ask the offense to score on each and every time they have the ball. But, the “D” is so bad, they really need to. “no show” should be fired… He isn’t aggressive. Therefore; the players aren’t. If you coach cupcake…you get cupcake. I understand we don’t have the 4 and 5 star players lining up and down the field. However; they are far from 1 star players. They have enough ability to do better. If the players don’t have faith in the coach they play very tenatively. I see that… In each and every game I see that. Have the players given up? I almost think so. They have no belief in Al Groh.. Nobody in their right mind has belief in Al Groh. Why does CPJ have it? Does he regret hiring Groh… I think so. But, he is too arrogant to admit the error. I think he needs to step off the gas pedal and look around. The “D” and the players are suffering due to “no show”’s ignorance. I honestly feel sorry for the players. They get blamed for bad play calling.
MaconGTFan
October 1st, 2012
4:51 pm
Aight Joe, now give me the stats on Vad in that game when there wasn’t a minute left and the game WAS over. Hell even Synjin came in last year vs uga when the game was over and put up good stats. Vad can’t run the option yet and this line CAN’T pass protect good enough.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
4:52 pm
Born: I can tell you that it would be hard to get “up” for a game knowing that you have a sorry QB. Now, the team did vote Tevin as team captain on Saturday, so I can’t figure what’s going on in the players heads.
But have you ever notices that when a new QB comes onto the scene, EVERYBODY gets a spark, even the defense? Game is 95% mental.
fuzzybee78
October 1st, 2012
4:52 pm
GT Joe, I havent missed anything every season since 1960.
I understand TW limitations. You think VL is Superman/Spiderman/and The Hulk rolled together while ignoring all the other issues and we have other issues. We simply disagree on how big an impact VL would have TODAY. He cant catch his own passes and he doesnt play D. I have said many times he is the most athletic QB ever recruited to GT and he needs to play more. I dont believe he would have scored 50 points on MTSU and thats what it would have taken with our other issues.
War Jacket
October 1st, 2012
4:53 pm
Seems to me that the coaches have lost the team. The defense has just given up. More proof coming Saturday.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
4:54 pm
Macon: pass protected enough for Vad to go 4-4.
Vad misread EVERY play in the 1st quarter? Even the 5 yard gain by Laskey? Nice misread… if only Tevin’s misreads were so successful.
MaconGTFan
October 1st, 2012
4:55 pm
And also Joe, Vads first drive ended in a 3 and out because he doesn’t know how to read the option. Every stat you gave was garbage time with a minute left to go with ABSOLUTELY zero chance to win. Those stats are useless. You have zero argument for Vad except he might be better cause of a YouTube video with him in high school.
Father A. Long
October 1st, 2012
4:55 pm
Be prepared for more fans to jump out of the stands.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
4:57 pm
Fuzzy: do you think he would have gotten more than 4 yards on 19 carries (i.e., what Tevin did against mtsu)?
Do you think that if Vad got , say, 50 yards, on 19 carries, the outcome could have been different (he’s averaging 10 ypc on the season)? Do you think that essentially throwing away 19 offensive plays has ANY effect on the outcome of the game? Or do you want to continue to think that the defense operates in a vacuum and is not affected by our offense?
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
4:58 pm
Macon: did you miss the first down pass Vad threw in the 1st quarter? Thought you watched the game?
D-MAN
October 1st, 2012
4:59 pm
Bunch of crybabys, grow up! See ya at the annual beatdown in Athens.
fuzzybee78
October 1st, 2012
5:00 pm
Joe—the 4 fumbles and the stupid penalties and the poor pass blocking have more to do with the loss than TW play. The 4 yards are after you subtract the yardage for losses due to poor blocking or protection.
MaconGTFan
October 1st, 2012
5:02 pm
No I didn’t see that. Just saw the option plays he tried to run and couldn’t, which ended in a punt. Vads not ready and over 90% of the stats you give on Vad are in mop up duty. Unless his stats came in the first half, leave them out. What he did against UVA and Presbyterian are useless. All those stats came in mop up duty after Tech won against second and third string defenses.
fuzzybee78
October 1st, 2012
5:03 pm
made my case, Im done for now.
MaconGTFan
October 1st, 2012
5:05 pm
@fuzzybee78 Joe obviously can’t comprehend that the rest of this team has holes in it and that its not all Tevins fault. Like how you pointed out Tevins rushing yards were so small because they take away lost yards from his total.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
5:05 pm
Fuzzy, you clearly missed the two underthrown ducks that Tevin threw, one resulting in an INT, both should have been TDs. Nah, nothing to do with the loss, huh?
If you and Macon think Tevin has played well enough to keep his job, then your expectations are quite low, sadly.
GT Joe
October 1st, 2012
5:06 pm
Macon: LOL, yeah, lost yards aren’t “real” yards. Wow.
In the NFL, QBs who take too many sacks and lose yards get…benched. But at GT, we give the QB a pass!
MaconGTFan
October 1st, 2012
5:09 pm
Good point there Joe. Who was the QB in the falcons game yesterday at the end when Ryan had already been sacked 7 or 8 times? I can’t for the life of me remember his name, even though he drove them down the field for a game winning field goal after giving up a lot of sacks. But according to you that drive should have never happened.
ATL Sports Fan
October 1st, 2012
5:13 pm
I saw where someone posted a couple pages back that “it’s not the coaching, its Tevin Washington”. I will agree Washington hasnt played all that great. But to say its not the coaching is crazy. Who makes up the depth chart? Who pencils Tevin Washington in as the starting QB? Last time I checked it was the COACHES!!
GTBoro
October 1st, 2012
5:17 pm
I’m a GT alum who lives in Murfreesboro, TN, where MTSU is. I’m an MTSU season-ticket holder and saw them lose to McNeese St. to start the season. They’ve been on a hot streak since, but nothing that would have suggested what happened Saturday. This has to be the worst or second worse loss in Tech football history. Even if MTSU finishes 11-1 this year, there’s no excuse for them beating us, much less beating us like they did. GT’s just finished a three-year 2-for-1 series with MTSU, but right now, I really hope we play them again.
CPJ Fan
October 1st, 2012
5:26 pm
Ken, how about some analysis of our offensive production under Johnson. Looking back over the CPJ era, we’re generally putting more points on the board (on average) than the Gailey, O’Leary and certainly Lewis years. Our problem has been Special Teams and the D letting teams back in the game to out score us. It’s difficult to compare apples to apples b/c our passing yardage is going to be low. However, total yardage is is respectable and the points on the board generally above average. If we don’t let teams score 49 points the TO gets the job done. CPJ addressed the Special Teams coaching in the off season, now he needs to let Groh go.
Gus in Marietta
October 1st, 2012
5:34 pm
First, a disclaimer: I stayed home and didn’t watch Saturday’s embarrassment. Thank goodness.
Second, this is probably the worst loss in the last 40 years. I have been to nearly every home game (and a few road games) since 1976. I saw the Furman loss, the Memphis loss, a Duke loss on Halloween, etc. I saw the Bill Lewis team quit on him mid-season. So I have seen pletnty of crappy games.
But this loss is not an aberration. We are getting steadily worse. We just don’t have the talent to compete. The tricky CPJ offense is a thing of beauty and allows us to win some games we probably shouldn’t. The problem is that our players are not as big, fast, strong or talented as most of the teams we play. Certainly the elite teams are in a whole different category than us these days. We have always had several star players on the team — guys who would go on to play (and do well) in the NFL. These days, those guys are not wearing white and gold. How many of our players would crack the starting lineup at UGA? At FSU? At Clemson? At Miami? At Bama? (there’s a laugh!). Which of our offensive guys is that good? Who on defense? You don’t win consistently with inferior talent. Big plays are made by star players. Games are won with big plays. So until CPJ figures out how to recruit better or we change coaches, we are pretty much doomed to mediocrity or worse.
That’s it. Ugly and sad, but deep down those of us who bleed white and gold know it to be so…
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
5:43 pm
Point spread-wise, probably the biggest upset was 2007, with USC favored by 40 points over Stanford. Stanford won, 24-23. They have upset USC 4 years in a row now, if I recall correctly.
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
5:46 pm
That was a bit out context. Anyway, Tech isn’t USC, and MTSU isn’t Stanford.
New Idea
October 1st, 2012
6:16 pm
GT means nothing in this State because Gt is turning their backs on Georgia students. Look at this quote from Wikipedia
Around 50–55% of all Georgia Tech students are residents of the state of Georgia, around 20% come from overseas, and 25–30% are residents of other U.S. states or territories.
Georgia Tech’s Charter says they exist for Georgia. Why are Georgia Taxpayers subsiding students from everywhere. GT needs to benefit Georgia with Georgia Students. I believe UGA is 90% Georgia. No wonder the GT students do not go to Football games. I blame this on the GT admin. and BOR for turning their backs on Georgia students. We need some non science Majors and allow more Georgia Students in. Look at our Charter and ask the BOR and Governor why?
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
6:20 pm
More students from Georgia could probably enroll if they choose to and if they meet the qualifications. As with most selective colleges, more are accepted than actually enroll.
HighTech
October 1st, 2012
6:20 pm
Do not despair!
All is not lost!
In every crisis there is opportunity!
There’s five pounds of possum in my headlights tonight!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2d-D1qM9dY
dagnabit
October 1st, 2012
6:28 pm
Al Groh needs to be gone by 7 pm today.
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
6:29 pm
What good would that do?
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
6:32 pm
@ New Idea……since you found stats on Tech’s student body makeup, why not do the same for UGA’s? I am sure there is higher percentage of Ga kids at UGA than at Tech, but I doubt it is 90%. If it is, then that certainly doesn’t say much for the appeal of a UGA degree. Not being petty here, but any school that relies solely on in-state students must not have much to offer.
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
6:35 pm
Super – I think that is the same guy who has been posting the same message for the past 2 days.
GTpack
October 1st, 2012
6:35 pm
Pretty bad when you have to dig back almost 30 years to find a loss that was “comparable”. I was at the Furman game, and this one to me was worse, but maybe that is because it is fresher in my mind.
GTpack
October 1st, 2012
6:36 pm
No more coaches named Bill or Paul. lol
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
6:36 pm
Not the same post, as in cut and pasted, but the same complaint.
HighTech
October 1st, 2012
6:37 pm
Super – I think that is the same guy who has been posting the same message on all of the GT message boards, too.
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
6:39 pm
GTpack – I don’t think Belichick is looking for a job anyway.
New Idea
October 1st, 2012
6:39 pm
Supersize,
Georgia Schools are for Georgians. Why are nearly 50% of Tech students National and International?
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
6:41 pm
@ New Idea……because Ga Tech is one of the top colleges in the entire world. Why wouldn’t Tech have lots of national and international students. I am sure UGA would kill to have similar statistics, because it would mean more money for them through endowments. In case you didn’t know this, Tech is also one of the most endowed colleges in the world.
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
6:45 pm
A large percentage of Georgia high school students do not qualify. Parents in China start prepping their kids for the top colleges at age 3. Here’s something I turned up a couple of years ago while researching why the U.S. has fallen so far behind other countries in education:
A Stratified Education System
Updated December 4, 2010, 12:53 AM
Qiang Zha is an assistant professor of education at York University in Toronto, and a co-author, most recently of, “Portraits of 21st Century Chinese Universities: In the Move to Mass Higher Education.”
“With the market economy developing, divisions in China’s job market naturally emerged. The elite university graduates and those who studied “hard” programs, i.e., the sciences and technology, found better opportunities in the primary job market where there’s great demand for their knowledge and skills.
“The local college graduates and particularly those who studied “soft” programs are more likely to be pushed to the secondary job market, which is characterized by low wages and high levels of labor turnover.”
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
6:49 pm
@ New Idea…….the fact is that not all students in Georgia are interested in the kind of education offered at Tech, so why would you expect only Georgia kids to attend there? UGA offers a more varied curriculum, some of it worthy (pre-med type majors, pre-law type majors, journalism, veterinary medicine, etc), but a lot of it is totally worthless and should be considered an embarrassment to the state, rather than something to brag about.
New Idea
October 1st, 2012
6:50 pm
Supersize,
Read the Charter. We exist for the benefit of Georgia. We are taxpayer supported and shut out the same taxpayers in favor of International and Out of State students? Makes me mad. If we were private I could see it but not Public Funded.
HighTech
October 1st, 2012
6:52 pm
Georgia students do not pay tuition (at least they didn’t use to). Out of state and international students pay tuition. This is quite a bit above and in addition to the matriculation that Georgia students pay.
HighTech
October 1st, 2012
6:53 pm
Georgia Tech is a tremendous bargain for in-state students who qualify for admission.
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
6:53 pm
@ New Idea……so do you want students at Tech who don’t qualify? or who aren’t interested to begin with? If an in-state kid qualifies, then he is not rejected.
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
6:55 pm
The are enough state schools that admit students who meet the basic requirements for admission.
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
6:55 pm
@ HT……Georgia students who don’t earn Hope Scholarships have to pay something. When I was a student, there was no Hope Scholarship, and my parents had to pay tuition, though not nearly as high as out-of-state students had to pay, or (I assume) international students.
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
6:55 pm
There
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
6:57 pm
@ New Idea……in my opinion, your thoughts are incredibly naive and provincial. I can only assume that you mean well, but I don’t buy any of it.
HighTech
October 1st, 2012
6:57 pm
Supersize – Georgia students paid something called matriculation. That way, the politicians could say Georgia students can go to any state school tuition free. Out of state students paid tuition on top of matriculation.
The Ugly truth
October 1st, 2012
7:01 pm
I predict that the entire Tech coaching staff will be gone in 3 years.
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
7:01 pm
The argument being made for the last 2 days by a person, and now possibly a second person, is that Georgia Tech ps being punished by the board of Regents, but the main complaint is that Tech does not offer easier majors that would allow Tech to recruit better football players.
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
7:01 pm
@ HT……when I went to Tech it WAS called TUITION, not matriculation. And what out of state students paid was called Out of State Tuition. They might have changed the words used later on, but it still means the same thing.
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
7:05 pm
The BOR has never done any favors for Tech, but the fact is that because of Tech’s international reputation, Tech is greater than the BOR. Obviously, Tech cannot change the curriculum without BOR approval, but if any particular change meant more money for Tech, and thus more money for the state of Georgia, the BOR would be overruled in a flash if they tried to stop it. Even though the BOR bowed to emperor Adams and added and engineering school in Athens, there were several UGA-grad legislators who objected and said they would never vote for one penny of funding for that school. Not all UGA grads are dummies…..LOL
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
7:06 pm
Damn, what’s with the filters? I just typed out a long comment and it didn’t go through. But it’s time for dinner, and I’m not going to attempt to re-post it now. Later, guys
BLT
October 1st, 2012
7:25 pm
You live to fight another day!
Yes, it was awful and I wonder about the defensive play. Did they “lay down”? I guess we’ll find out against Clemson.
I do know for a fact Tevin cannot throw regardless of some of his decent passes last year and this year. Is this a similar situation that happened years ago when many of the players wanted Donnie Davis at QB? Time will tell.
Either way, Go Jackets!
New Idea
October 1st, 2012
7:25 pm
Supersize,
Your opinion is respected but facts are facts.
BLT
October 1st, 2012
7:26 pm
And wrexie can kiss my hairy arse!
tech hater
October 1st, 2012
7:27 pm
@supersize We are glad you are going to dinner. Maybe someone can offer an intelligent observation while you are eating your TV dinner.
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
7:34 pm
@ New Idea……your facts still do not support the fact that Tech can only admit students who first want to go to Tech, and second qualify for entrance at Tech. Those are the only facts that are pertinent.
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
7:37 pm
@ tech hater……..I guess you consider your 7:27 post to be intelligent. Well, that’s pretty much par for the course for dummies. They always think what they say and do is important and meaningful. You just proved in 22 short words that you are an immature little child. At least you didn’t misspell any of those 22 words; that’s more than be said for most of the trolls who post on here.
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
7:38 pm
Data on admissions, Georgia Tech (all colleges, 2011)
Acceptance Acceptance rate SAT SAT GPA
All Colleges (in-state) 2,318 47.42% 1398 2065 3.98
All Colleges (out-of-state) 3,523 56.69% 1424 2090 3.89
All Colleges (international) 522 25.13% 1394 2063 3.91
Supersize that order, mutt
October 1st, 2012
7:39 pm
@ New Idea……as I said earlier, what you posted about Tech may have been based on facts, but what you posted about UGA was only conjecture on your part. I bet you might be surprised at the makeup of the student body at UGA. I’d bet there is a much higher percentage of international and out-of-state students there than you realize.
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
7:44 pm
Something I saved earlier this year:
ajc 3/16/2012
High achievers admitted to Georgia Tech
By Laura Diamond
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Students are not imagining it if they think it’s harder to get in to Georgia Tech.
Related
Those admitted for next fall boast an average 3.9 GPA and a 1430 out of 1600 on the math and verbal SAT. By high school graduation these students would have taken an average of eight college-level courses, such as Advanced Placement or International Baccalaureate.
About 14,700 students applied for one of the 2,400 spots for fall or the 250 spots for this summer. The admitted class represents 86 countries and 49 states. No one from Wyoming was admitted.
The University of Georgia is scheduled to announce admission decisions by April 1.
LT
October 1st, 2012
7:49 pm
Ken, I understand the criteria you set forth, but I really think you are remiss to not include the 41-17 Duke loss in 2003. Yes, they were a conference opponent, but that didn’t mean much back then– I think they had lost 24 straight in conference when they beat us like a drum, so no one expected to lose to Duke back then anymore than losing to a lower level FBS team. Duke rarely beat anyone back then.
Sour Old Man
October 1st, 2012
8:14 pm
LESSON ONE: A.-Tech’s defense failed all game vs. MTSU. B.-It often
fails at the end of a game. C.- It often fails at the end because Tech does not have depth. D.- Tech does not have depth because recruiting is hard for Tech. E. – Recruiting is hard because players know at Tech they’ll have to study more than football. Last one out turn off the lights.
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
8:21 pm
That is a good synopsis. If a kid wants an easy ride through college, better look elsewhere. Chances are, an easy ride won’t be worth it in the long run.
yeller bug
October 1st, 2012
8:25 pm
Alright, everyone move along now…nothing to see here, nothing to see here…
ray gunkel
October 1st, 2012
8:26 pm
honestly, what’s the point of this…it was a bad loss – duh…are we that desparate for feedback that we need to rank it…really?
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
8:39 pm
Next, we will have a ranking of best losses.
GssiT
October 1st, 2012
8:39 pm
Ken—-24 hours is up! It’s over! Let it go! Nobody really cares! Why not dig deeper into all the unexplained injuries????? Go, Jackets!
Freddy Blassie
October 1st, 2012
8:47 pm
Just be glad that all our football players have engineering degrees to fall back on and be happy.
WnE
October 1st, 2012
8:59 pm
re:
Gus in Marietta
October 1st, 2012
5:34 pm
First, a disclaimer: I stayed home and didn’t watch Saturday’s embarrassment. Thank goodness.
Second, this is probably the worst loss in the last 40 years. I have been to nearly every home game (and a few road games) since 1976. I saw the Furman loss, the Memphis loss, a Duke loss on Halloween, etc. I saw the Bill Lewis team quit on him mid-season. So I have seen pletnty of crappy games.
But this loss is not an aberration. We are getting steadily worse. We just don’t have the talent to compete. The tricky CPJ offense is a thing of beauty and allows us to win some games we probably shouldn’t. The problem is that our players are not as big, fast, strong or talented as most of the teams we play. Certainly the elite teams are in a whole different category than us these days. We have always had several star players on the team — guys who would go on to play (and do well) in the NFL. These days, those guys are not wearing white and gold. How many of our players would crack the starting lineup at UGA? At FSU? At Clemson? At Miami? At Bama? (there’s a laugh!). Which of our offensive guys is that good? Who on defense? You don’t win consistently with inferior talent. Big plays are made by star players. Games are won with big plays. So until CPJ figures out how to recruit better or we change coaches, we are pretty much doomed to mediocrity or worse.
That’s it. Ugly and sad, but deep down those of us who bleed white and gold know it to be so…
__________________
YodaNeffect (YnE) says:
Strong the Force is, in this one.
I can see that the “gospel according to WnE” is lot more prevalent than Supersize, Fl Jacket, High Tech, GT Stein, 1 4 GT, and many of my other main detractors will admit to.
To the original poster that I responded to; great post sir, keep up the good work, I’m glad you can see GT FB & CPJ for what he really is.
Smyrna Gold
October 1st, 2012
9:21 pm
WnE is the most knowledgable person on this blog. The things he says are bitter for Tech fans but never the less true. Are Al Groh and CPJ still employed at Tech??
Rock
October 1st, 2012
9:26 pm
I am a UGA fan but went to the Tech – Furman game in 1983 with a buddy and his dad. It was a great day!
realist
October 1st, 2012
9:55 pm
I’m afraid this year we will see that 51-7 wasn’t as bad as it can get. We will get killed.
DawgNole
October 1st, 2012
10:18 pm
I Don’t Understand
October 1st, 2012
12:56 pm
Why hasn’t Groh resigned or been fired yet?
_____________________
Good question. Some ignoramus, on the other hand, posted that he was resigning at 4 p.m. today. Guess Groh didn’t get the message.
Smyrna Gold
October 1st, 2012
10:33 pm
Has DRAD been fired yet??
WnE
October 2nd, 2012
12:25 am
re:
Delbert D.
October 1st, 2012
7:44 pm
Something I saved earlier this year:
ajc 3/16/2012
High achievers admitted to Georgia Tech
By Laura Diamond
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Students are not imagining it if they think it’s harder to get in to Georgia Tech.
Related
Those admitted for next fall boast an average 3.9 GPA and a 1430 out of 1600 on the math and verbal SAT. By high school graduation these students would have taken an average of eight college-level courses, such as Advanced Placement or International Baccalaureate.
About 14,700 students applied for one of the 2,400 spots for fall or the 250 spots for this summer. The admitted class represents 86 countries and 49 states. No one from Wyoming was admitted.
The University of Georgia is scheduled to announce admission decisions by April 1.
______________
Why WASTE YOUR TIME posting that data?
“Recruited” Scholarship Athletes in Revenue Sports are accepted to GT under a completely different & LOWER STANDARD.
This is the same at ALL COLLEGES that opt to play Big-Time Revenue Producing Sports.
Showing what the REGULAR STUDENT has to do to get into GT is immaterial to what is discussed on Sports Blog.
Once again the typical weasely GT Fan(not me of course) attempting to play the Academics Card at the wrong time in the wrong place!
Instead of Delbert D maybe you should use the acronym DD since you are obviously a bQQb?
1 4 GT
October 2nd, 2012
1:16 am
IMNTBHO…..all any fan has the “right” to expect from their team. To be competitive! To put itself in a position to win at the end the game! To compete for the conference championship! To actually be the champion every now & again! To be competitive against their #1 rival & beat said rival every now & again! Maybe be “lucky” enough to even be in the mix for the MNC every now & again & maybe actually upsey the applecart & win it! If the fan’s team can just be competitive, all of the rest will fall in place. Like any business, it was not created to give us a job. No college/institution was created to give us a sports team to cheer for….that is supposed to secondary. Do we want/expect more? Do we want/expect to win like Alabama? Many fans answer those questions yes. Will they get their wish? Not likely. Enjoy your team’s successes & hurt for their losses. And live with both. And always have pride in your”s & their achievements. Wear your colors proudly. Selah.
New Idea
October 2nd, 2012
6:20 am
Supersize,
UGA’s own statistics say 88% are Georgia Residents, I only found WiKipedia info that said GT has 50 to 55% Georgia residents, Our Charter say we are for Georgia, why don,t we serve Georgia? 50% is not serving Georgia or using the millions given to support GT by the State taxpayers. As a taxpayer I want to know why more Georgians are not in GT. If GT is not living up to its Charter, why?
I agree WnE has some real world comments. his last comment was right on.
Mitchell
October 2nd, 2012
6:58 am
For the record, the score of the Navy game in 1968 was 35-15. Tech got a 2 point conversion on their last score to make it ‘more respectable.’ I was 12 years old at the time and at the game with my 11 year old cousin.
Not only was it a miserable performance on the field, but it rained during the game and then turned to sleet and ice.
I remember it well, because we had to wait for my uncle to return for our ride home – he got caught in the traffic snarl caused by the winter weather. A long, cold, wet day for the 2 of us.
GT Albany
October 2nd, 2012
7:43 am
I don’t understand quitting in a game. Scholarship student athletes have a great opportunity and with that comes an obligation to play hard! But, after all is said and done there is a definite problem on defense and a lack of good senior leadership. Gailey was football smart, but couldn’t relate to college age players. I am not sure what Johnson’s deal is.
HighTech
October 2nd, 2012
7:58 am
YodaNeffect (YnE) says:
Strong the Force is, in this one.
I can see that the “gospel according to WnE” is lot more prevalent than Supersize, Fl Jacket, High Tech, GT Stein, 1 4 GT, and many of my other main detractors will admit to.
To the original poster that I responded to; great post sir, keep up the good work, I’m glad you can see GT FB & CPJ for what he really is.
———————————
Interesting that a “fan” would take such malicious glee in his team losing. YodaNeffect? Strong the force is? Boot Licking Toady? Kung Fu Panda? You sound just like the nerdy band geeks you accuse others of being. You said you were not an athlete at GT. You also said you were a volunteer coach at a high school but no longer have time for that. I wonder what the real story is there because you have plenty of time to spread your negativity on these blogs and on Twitter. Yet, somehow you are a CFB genius based on never being a collegiate athlete and only a part-time volunteer high school coach. The more likely story is you are a jock sniffing equipment manager wannabe and the type of icehole (another nerdy band geek word) that enjoys seeing others fail because it makes you feel better about yourself.
TeknocratNOTdemokrat
October 2nd, 2012
8:33 am
@newidea – have you looked at what it costs to attend the GIT? Please don’t go to the scolarship thing. My family couldn’t afford it back in the 70’s when it was supposedly ‘cheap’…that ands the fact that most kids want to go to a party school(which is a category that ugag falls into quite nicely) these days. But point taken.
I too want to know why there’s no announcement of CAG’s firing – I’m sorry but there’s no excuse for not firing him – if he’s the fly in the ointment, get rid of him. If not, get rid of him fo losing the team.
www
October 2nd, 2012
8:38 am
*sagarin, not sagaran
will you go to the prom with me, mom?
October 2nd, 2012
9:27 am
This loss has to be considered the most deflating, embarrassing and historic for sure. Being upset by an underdog is one thing but losing by 21 freaking points??? Are you kidding me? Worst loss in Tech history. 21 points is a beat down by a program that nobody has ever heard of. What a disgrace to the ACC and all Tech fans.
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October 2nd, 2012
9:40 am
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It is What it Is
October 2nd, 2012
10:03 am
Can we please do away with all of the talk about how “smart” Paul Johnson is? The commentators just love to kiss his butt because he doesnt carry a play sheet. He is a LOSER. Please keep Wille Marti, er, I mean Al Groh for 10 more years.
brad
October 2nd, 2012
10:13 am
A back, B back, C back?????? How about a Q Back? and a R Back and a couple of good WR? THis offense is so done. Tech needs to hire a OFFENSIVE minded coach that runs a PRO STYLE. That is the ONLY way GT will be able to half way recruit good athletes. If I was 18 years old and pretty good, I wouldn’t want to play option football. You take too many hits in the legs.
Regina Lewis
October 2nd, 2012
10:37 am
You all act like it is such an embarrassing loss. MTSU may play in a smaller conference, but enrollment is more than UTK or Tech. The athletic program dominates the Sunbelt, and women’s basketball program has dominated every SEC team they have played over the past several years except for Tennessee. They drilled Alabama, split with GA, always beat KY, and are 3-1 against LSU. Yet, despite being in a smaller conference, I never see other schools call that embarrassing. Give the Blue Raiders a little credit. They were a field goal away from beating a top ten Virginia a few years ago, beat ACC Maryland two years ago , and beat SEC Ole Miss…just hive credit where credit is due.
Raid
October 2nd, 2012
10:51 am
The most embarrassing is the 222-0 win over Cumberland. Cumberland had ceased football operations and only played the game due to legal actions by GT. GT beat a frat team 222-0.
dry dirt road
October 2nd, 2012
12:04 pm
worse loss ever for Tech; if MT lost to McNeese State this year, then Tech lost to McNeese State in worst loss ever for Tech; CPJ has them taking too long in backfield with multi fakes, has to go downfield to end zone, not side to side; Groh’s d is leaky Roof 3 man rush with no ability to prevent all passes, although some passes are defended ok by Tech, and LBs cannot run with receivers b/c they’re too heavy, they gotta blitz; blitz worked against LT of VT; Tech’s gotta pass from wildcat this week and pass alot b/c running game has been closed for the year by MT; Tech’s gotta wear unis from either the first game or the second game only, and no deviations from introductory light and dark unis; they tried to deviate in the Chick Bowl against LSU and lost; Tech always has an indentity crisis with unis, and are very disorganized with the unis; the BD 1952 reunion game could have had the white helmets since BD was the AD during the white helmet years, but he was not the actual head coach, however there were no blacks on any of BD’s teams, so why did Tech want to wear the gold helmets for the reunion game?; this is what I mean by beng disorganized; the first black player for Tech was Eddie McAshan the qb, and he wore no. 1 for first black Tech player, I guess; he also wore the white helmets for two seasons, never gold; Tech isn’t offering much this year for football entertainment; I wonder how the baby jackets are playing? CPJ has gotta go, he takes too long trying to fake it, and too long to pass it from los snaps, and this offense isn’t faking anybody out anymore; they also need a tight end to help block rushers
HighTech
October 2nd, 2012
12:05 pm
YodaNeffect (YnE) says:
Strong the Force is, in this one.
I can see that the “gospel according to WnE” is lot more prevalent than Supersize, Fl Jacket, High Tech, GT Stein, 1 4 GT, and many of my other main detractors will admit to.
To the original poster that I responded to; great post sir, keep up the good work, I’m glad you can see GT FB & CPJ for what he really is.
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Interesting that a “fan” would take such malicious glee in his team losing. YodaNeffect? Strong the force is? Boot Licking Toady? Kung Fu Panda? You sound just like the n_erdy band g_eeks you accuse others of being. You said you were not an athlete at GT. You also said you were a volunteer coach at a high school but no longer have time for that. I wonder what the real story is there because you have plenty of time to spread your negativity on these blogs and on Twitter. Yet, somehow you are a CFB genius based on never being a collegiate athlete and only a part-time volunteer high school coach. The more likely story is you are a jock sniffing equipment manager wannabe and the type of icehole (another n_erdy band g_eek word) that enjoys seeing others fail because it makes you feel better about yourself.
Jerky Boy
October 2nd, 2012
2:49 pm
You guys were giving MTSU all they could handle in the first half, then reality set in and you slapped around like the whusses that you are.
GT Albany
October 2nd, 2012
7:16 pm
49-28 sounds mild compared to 69-14 courtesy of ND at South Bend in 1977. It was the payback for the GT upset in 1976 in Atlanta. Good ole Pepper Rodgers
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10:16 pm
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GT is a 4th rate High School Team
October 3rd, 2012
8:55 am
The rumor is MTSU are having rings made for this player for the ransacking of GT. LOL.
juan carlos diego raul sanchez
October 3rd, 2012
11:38 am
i hope we will start to play 2 QB’s…Washington is getting killed – he needs a break.
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icons pack
October 4th, 2012
1:26 pm
I can not participate now in discussion – there is no free time. But I will return – I will necessarily write that I think.