Georgia Tech looking for pass rush
The next move belongs to Al Groh.
Two Saturdays ago, the Georgia Tech defense harassed Virginia quarterbacks Michael Rocco and Phillip Sims, accumulating 16 pressures, by the Tech defensive coordinator’s count and two sacks. Saturday, Groh and his defense were plundered.
The Yellow Jackets gave up 609 yards in the 42-36 overtime loss. It was the most yards that Tech had given up since 1997 and the most that a Groh-coached team had surrendered in his nine years as Virginia’s head coach followed by two-plus seasons at Tech.
Wednesday, Groh didn’t address the game at length, saying that he was done talking about Miami. It was the first opportunity for news media to speak with Groh, as he is not made available following games and defensive coaches and players speak on Wednesdays.
“I haven’t thought about that in a few days, so I’m ready to move on,” he said.
What Groh did address was that Tech’s pass rush was negated by Miami’s protection scheme, in which the Hurricanes often used as many as seven players on passes to block for quarterback Stephen Morris.
“Unless you rush eight, they’ve got more than you’ve got,” he said. “The numbers game comes into effect that way. Usually where those seven-man protections get beat is if you have some awesome individual pass rushers who can win the one-on-ones.”
Without such pass rushers on the roster, perhaps with the exception of outside linebacker Jeremiah Attaochu, Tech can expect to see plenty more of such strategies in games to come, starting with Tech’s game Saturday against Middle Tennessee State. Future opponents may not be able to duplicate the success of the Hurricanes, who have a young but talented lineup. However, many games may not require 42 points or 609 yards of total offense, either.
“We’ve got some interesting stuff to deal with on the third-down package, and it’s shaken some guys free (in pass rush), so that causes other teams to say, ‘We’re not going to deal with this stuff,’” said Groh in explaining opponents’ opting for a “maximum protection” scheme.
Groh may have to continue to dig for more interesting stuff. Tech has six sacks in four games with a rate of one sack per 26.3 pass attempts. Even before failing to register a sack despite Miami’s 52 pass attempts, the rate was 17.7 passes per sack. Duke, which ranks third in the ACC in sacks, has managed one sack per 11 pass attempts.
Should the lack of pressure continue, Clemson wide receiver Sammy Watkins would appear to be a strong candidate to run wild through the Tech secondary Oct. 6. Attaochu, who led the team last year with six sacks, has one-half of a sack thus far. Through the first three games, Attaochu did have the most quarterback pressures of anyone on the team “by far,” Groh said.
Both Groh and coach Paul Johnson have acknowledged the obvious fact that it was a poor game all-around for the defense. The percentage of times that defensive players executed their assignment “went way down,” Groh said.
Groh was asked if, at the end of the season, the Miami game would be looked at as an outlier.
Replied Groh, “I think that, when you evaluate things on a whole body of work, I think what you might look back on at the end of the season is that Miami’s got a pretty good team.”
Time will tell to what degree Saturday’s game was an aberration or the trigger of a landslide. Could the game have merely been the confluence of a hot quarterback, poor pass rush, an injury-depleted defense and poor tackling – a forgettable game that bears no similarity to the defense that Tech ultimately becomes?
It would have to be a pretty big confluence.
In case you missed it…
Trials challenging Louis Young
Lee, Snoddy angling for playing time
Tech rebounding after Miami loss
The meaning of Tech giving up 609 yards
After Miami loss, Tech tries to regroup
Mark Bradley: Johnson’s approach hurting Tech
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Ken Sugiura, Georgia Tech blog
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1 4 GT
September 26th, 2012
10:43 pm
1st
Gr8 2B aFuzzyB
September 26th, 2012
10:56 pm
Good job 14. Now go read the article!
gt40pinhd
September 26th, 2012
10:58 pm
al groh epitomizes the art of brevity. didn’t talk much, didn’t say much.
1 4 GT
September 26th, 2012
11:00 pm
I don’t like the coach responsible for the defensive unit being so close mouthed on the Miami game. What’s the matter? Is he afraid of the tough questions that “might” be asked? Or the answers that honest answers would require? I for one, would like very much to hear the Q & A about the Miami game with AG….I believe I might be thru calling him coach. GT has lost 3 of her last 5 games in OT. Games that should have never went into OT. Yes, it’s true the offense has some failure in those games as well. But, the fact remains, the defense could not generate a stop in those 3 games. All 5 games truthfully should have been marked up in the win column for GT. Defense is AG’s area of supposed expertise.
FL Jacket
September 26th, 2012
11:01 pm
CAG is actually quite eloquent when he speaks…when I’ve heard him interviewed.
1 4 GT
September 26th, 2012
11:02 pm
I’ll have you that I did read the article first. Thank you very much. LOL
FL Jacket
September 26th, 2012
11:03 pm
1 4…I suggest you flush it.
The defense was doing well overall until Miami came in and whipped us in all facets.
TVFan
September 26th, 2012
11:04 pm
I wonder if the staff would look at moving some players around. The current defensive line is not getting the job done. I don’t think they played well against Presbyterian College. Tech’s assistant coaches are going to have to start winning some recruiting battles for defensive linemen.
Gr8 2B aFuzzyB
September 26th, 2012
11:04 pm
Even if they stopped our extra rushers with max protection, that doesn’t say a lot for our cover guys. I thought they were better than that. Guess we need more of a body of work before we can judge things, but that doesn’t mean you can toss out this performance. It happened and it was a total stinker.
George Stein
September 26th, 2012
11:09 pm
Sorry, but when you have to wait three years for the defense to be fully implemented, the expectation is that we don’t have to put up with days like this past Saturday. Not good enough, Coach Groh.
FL Jacket
September 26th, 2012
11:12 pm
GS…
We should be expecting more out of our playmakers like Rod Sweeting and Jeremiah Attaochu. If I see Sweeting bite on another double-move in an obvious 3rd and long situation I’m going to vomit.
1 4 GT
September 26th, 2012
11:13 pm
I am curious as to why FLJ suggests I flush it. I agree that the overall defensive play, up until the Miami game, was fairly good, but the fact remains that they could get get a stop in the Sun Bowl or @ VT. As a matter of fact, all that was really needed was one, ONE, 4th play at VT. The offensive failure was not quite as big in the Sun Bowl or the Miami game.
1 4 GT
September 26th, 2012
11:14 pm
left out “not” between could & get
GT Joe
September 26th, 2012
11:15 pm
Two words fix all of this: Vad Lee.
And yes, he will help the defense immensely, vs. TW.
George Stein
September 26th, 2012
11:15 pm
I think if you have players that do that and you can’t coach them out of it, then either don’t play them or have them play a zone. Continuing to expect him not to do it after this much time is foolish, FLJ.
FL Jacket
September 26th, 2012
11:16 pm
1 4…because all its going to do is make you madder.
FL Jacket
September 26th, 2012
11:16 pm
And here’s Joe to raise the room’s IQ…
GT Joe
September 26th, 2012
11:17 pm
1 4: to take one of your arguments: if 36 points should be enough to win against miami, then the defense giving up only 17 in regulation should be enough to win at VT.
Team will not win a meaningful game with TW at QB.
FL Jacket
September 26th, 2012
11:18 pm
GS…it’s one play but it’s a trend with him on big plays. When guys can’t tackle though I wonder if that’s coaching or if it’s mental.
George Stein
September 26th, 2012
11:20 pm
The tackling has been terrible for some time. Interestingly, I don’t think the VT defense is great at anything but that, and they do it exceptionally well.
FL Jacket
September 26th, 2012
11:21 pm
That VT defense was terrific at not letting themselves be blocked…and they ate up our inexperience on the outside.
FL Jacket
September 26th, 2012
11:23 pm
The way I see it CAG’s current campaign is far above his 2 previous or Wommack’s 2 years. It could easily turn around and be one of those abberation type games.
1 4 GT
September 26th, 2012
11:29 pm
Ah Joe. The undeclared Georgie troll. Your schtick has gotten very old very fast.
George Stein
September 26th, 2012
11:29 pm
I hope you’re right, FLJ, and I admire your optimism. I wish I shared it.
1 4 GT
September 26th, 2012
11:29 pm
FLJ….I’m over mad.
FL Jacket
September 26th, 2012
11:35 pm
GS…we act like we were expecting to beat VPI in Blacksburg. Criticizing coaches for not winning a game you didn’t expect to win us pretty disingenuous. My opinion of course.
Supersize loves Obama
September 26th, 2012
11:36 pm
Not good enough. Tired of excuses. Lets bring in a high energy coach like Jon Gruden and make it happen.
GT Joe
September 26th, 2012
11:42 pm
1 4: I’m a UGA troll? help me understand why a UGA troll would want vad lee to play…or want to keep CPJ and CAG?
Ken Sugiura
September 26th, 2012
11:42 pm
Supersize loves Obama – 1. no politics. 2. choose a handle that isn’t, presumably, attempting to ridicule another commenter. thanks.
Supersize loves Obama
September 26th, 2012
11:46 pm
Ken-why do you care? No one asked your opinion.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 26th, 2012
11:47 pm
@ Ken……the old name thief was active all this afternoon on your “fount of hope” blog
FL Jacket
September 26th, 2012
11:48 pm
Insult the blog author and moderator…how intelligent
Supersize that order, mutt
September 26th, 2012
11:48 pm
Well, that was classy, wasn’t it? Ken happens to run this blog, bubba.
1 4 GT
September 26th, 2012
11:49 pm
He’s right George. It could happen. But, in all honesty, I don’t expect it. The defense can play pretty good overall, but there is no real playmaker up front. Sneezy is a good OLB. Hunt-Days will grow, I believe, into a really good ILB. He’s just good now….on his way to being a beast though, IMO. Don’t know if y’all saw my post earlier today about Barnes. Think about this. The next time this 6′7″ 350 lb behemoth collapses the pocket will be the first time. He has 1 (one) career sack & this is his senior year. Izzan Cross has 3 sacks in his career & this is his senior year. A man of TJ’s size & supposed strength should demand 2 blockers every down he is in & in truth, he should be in for every defensive snap. No motivation!! Something caught the coaches eyes about these two, but they play with no fire. GT Joe keeps harping on replacing Tevin. I say put Gotsis & Kallon in & sic’em on the ball & let them make plays. Jacket Detective brought up D Morgan saving Nesbitt in the WF game in ‘09. Nesbitt failed to make a 4th down conversion. D Morgan sack on subsequent WF possession took them out of FG range, allowing GT to get to the ACCCG game. D playmakers are just as necessary as O playmakers. I’ll take a good, stout defense with a good offense every day & twice on Sunday. Rather have both sides be really good & stout though!! LOL
FL Jacket
September 26th, 2012
11:50 pm
Joe…only a UGA troll would try to make such rash moves sound logical
1 4 GT
September 26th, 2012
11:56 pm
Thanks FLJ.
Supersize loves Obama
September 27th, 2012
12:02 am
Sorry Ken. I overreacted. I am a Ga Tech graduate but I cant stand bubba. THWG.
FL Jacket
September 27th, 2012
12:07 am
Dude you hit submit.
Cut your losses and leave.
1 4 GT
September 27th, 2012
12:07 am
Ken is way more kind & tolerant than me. This clown would never be back if I were Ken.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
12:13 am
@ 1 4 GT and FLJ…..I agree.
FL Jacket
September 27th, 2012
12:14 am
Well 1 4…Ken does cover GT football
ZING!
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
12:14 am
@ 1 4 GT……I contacted my friend here, and the time we set is ok with him. We should be there by 9AM Saturday
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
12:15 am
BTW, Obama…..Ken respectfully asked you to change your name. He obviously carries more weight than I do, but I would respectfully ask you to do the same. I find it highly offensive.
1 4 GT
September 27th, 2012
12:17 am
OK SS!! Sounds good! See y’all about 9:00 AM. Don’t forget to call be about 7:00 AM. Home number….706………..
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
12:18 am
@ 1 4 GT……will do
1 4 GT
September 27th, 2012
12:19 am
Zing away FLJ!! I can take it!!! LOL
FL Jacket
September 27th, 2012
12:20 am
SS…
Promise me if Romney wins you change your handle to “Supersize that order Obama” for just the day after the election!
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
12:21 am
LOL @ FLJ…..Are you serious?
FL Jacket
September 27th, 2012
12:22 am
Yes. I have a sense of humor too.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
12:25 am
@ FLJ…..I know you do. You have also shown tolerance towards me regarding some of the things I have said, either here or in emails. BTW, did you open the one I sent you (and others) today? Although political in nature, it was strictly non-partisan and I thought it was funny as hell. In case you didn’t open it, it’s an old Johnny Carson routine from the old Tonight Show.
FL Jacket
September 27th, 2012
12:31 am
Very funny…I always wish I could find the Carson episode where he ripped into Clinton for his 1988 convention speech.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
12:31 am
Have you Googled it?
FL Jacket
September 27th, 2012
12:33 am
You know…I’ve only tried YTing it
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
12:36 am
I am trying to find it in Google now. I found a reference to it so far, but not the actual video yet
Ice eater 1969
September 27th, 2012
12:40 am
I wonder if cag recognizes how stupid the line backers look when they are standing around with no one to cover and four line men are rushing against max protect. I wonder why the do is gassed. Also the nose tackle is in a contain technique till he reads pass. The defense needs to take risks and be the aggressor.
1 4 GT
September 27th, 2012
12:44 am
SS….I didn’t get the email with Johnny Carson….I loved staying up & laughing at that man.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
12:45 am
@ 1 4 GT……I thought I sent it to you. I will now if I still have it, which I probably do
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
12:47 am
OK, 1 4…..I just sent it to you
1 4 GT
September 27th, 2012
12:49 am
Ice….you are so right about the defense needing to be aggressive. Go back to page 1 & read my post @ 11:49 PM.
1 4 GT
September 27th, 2012
12:50 am
SS….I just a few minutes ago sent you a reply to the Stern email you sent me.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
12:51 am
@ 1 4……yeah, I got it and responded
1 4 GT
September 27th, 2012
12:55 am
SS….I will have a good laugh with my morning coffee thru your email. I bought a 4 disc Johnny Carson DVD set @ WalMart that had a bunch of good belly laughs in it. The first segment was Johnny, Ed, Dean Martin, Bob Hope & George Goble, I believe. It was hilarious. Johnny would get so amused he would totally crack up. There is also a segment with “Carnack”–the real one.
1 4 GT
September 27th, 2012
12:57 am
Well, it’s almost 1:00 AM. I’m outta here. See y’all!! GOOOOO JACKETS THWGeorgie
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
12:58 am
Have a good night, 1 4. I think I am outta here too
GT Fan
September 27th, 2012
2:23 am
1 4 GT … quit plagerizing my post regarding TJ & Izaan’s sack stats. Plus, I’m the guy who compared their dismal, COMBINED, 4.0 sacks to Derrick Morgan’s 19 sacks in only 3 seasons.
I’m gonna start requiring you include footnotes to indicate where you’re getting your info.
And don’t forget Derrick Morgan’s game-ending sack vs. Clemson in the ACC Champ game.
GT Fan
September 27th, 2012
2:27 am
AG’s gotta find some DLmen that, just like I’ve said here recently, can’t be blocked one-on-one (ala Derrick Morgan).
TJ Barnes is the most “invisible” 6′7″ 340lb DLman I’ve ever seen. And Izaan Cross, a 79 pt 3 Star (one more rating pt, and he’s a 4-star), has been a major bust, IMO.
gtfan1951
September 27th, 2012
5:22 am
Fire AG
IM Major
September 27th, 2012
5:54 am
Recruiting recruiting recruiting. We don’t have the players. CPJ has failed at recruiting, but not all his fault. Somehow the Alumni, the BOR, the Hill need to find a way for Tech to recruit. It is better for GT to get in State talent than UGA’s Conference opponents getting Georgia’s in State blue chippers.
Willie Coyote
September 27th, 2012
7:27 am
Rush more than 3 at a time and substitute your D-linemen in once in a while and you might just get a damn pass rush.
Willie Coyote
September 27th, 2012
7:31 am
Also, have your D-Linemen fire off the ball. I want you all to watch how our guys line up and contrast that with a real defense.
Our guys line up far off the ball; top defenses crowd the offensive line and cut down on their blocking angles.
Our guys seem to have their weight back on their heels whereas the Alabamas, UGAs, etc of the world are leaned forward and ready to attack; our guys seem to be COACHED to stand up and read then react.
Good defenses also may blitz on other downs besides 3rd and long.
ramblingbuzz
September 27th, 2012
7:38 am
Look, I am not a football coach, and I am probably missing something here. But I never saw more than a 5 man pass rush from GT in the UM game. So if CAG is only blitzing one man, how does he expect to ever get to the QB? And if he observed this during the game and didn’t adjust, it’s his fault. Plus the d backs looked to be continuously out of position on most plays. Now, some may say we don’t have the O linemen or LBs to generate a pass rush, but after 3 years years of this, it looks more like Groh’s scheme to me. And Duke is 3rd in the leagues in sacks? Are you telling me Duke is recruiting better D players than Tech? Maybe we should just hire Duke’s defensive coordinator.
Wal-Mart Retards
September 27th, 2012
7:39 am
Poor MTSU – they are going to get creamed on Saturday.
yellow britches
September 27th, 2012
7:48 am
This is Al Groh’s last season at Tech. Paul Johnson may hang on another year because Tech people are patient and long suffering and many have given up. Anytime you start hearing complaints about the tough academics as an excuse for a programs failure you know the end is nigh.
Animal Control
September 27th, 2012
7:54 am
Why is it that Groh still acts surprised about what Miami’s offense did against his defense? Isnt that what watching the game videos will prepare you for? I dont even want to try and think about why we lost to a team of thugs whos coach was previously the defensive coordinator under AG at Virginia…might make me mad…
Wal-Mart Retards
September 27th, 2012
7:55 am
…and, in other news, the sky is falling.
Hold On!!!
September 27th, 2012
8:02 am
Yalls offense can be successful with 2* and 3* players bc its about executing. Will yall be a top 10 team every year, no, but yall can be a 15-25 team. Yalls D CAN NOT be successful with 2* and 3* players. Defense needs to be loaded with talent to be good and yall dont have it. Yes, yall have a few good players, but as a whole not so much. If CPJ does not start recruiting better on the defensive side of the ball, yall will have a lot more loses like the Miami one.
Jacket Detective
September 27th, 2012
8:10 am
Neither CPJ nor CAG recognize what their fans can do.
Our stadium is small but we’re a pretty rabid and loud group at times.
Last year before the half of the Uga game, they attempted a FG.
I and the rest of the Tech fans yelled.
Their kicker had been in a year long slump.
He missed.
But CPJ called a timeout to ice a guy the fans had already iced.
Before the half.
Most coaches wait until the end of the game.
CPJ wound up fixing Uga’s kicker’s confidence problem.
He made the 2nd attempt.
I didn’t yell.
Why bother when our coach knows it all?
Playing Miami, CAG needed to blitz early and often.
Instead somehow Bobby Dodd stadium became the Canes’ QB home away from home.
Our crowd quietly by a failure to bring enough players on blitzes.
Don’t let the opponent’s QB get comfortable.
Heck the Grits Blitz had few if any Pro Bowlers.
They got it done by blitzing everyone including the waterboy if necessary.
They got pro QBs to choke and do the wrong thing through intimadation.
Neither coach knows how to use our crowd.
Delbert D.
September 27th, 2012
8:17 am
The knowledge of defenses among posters here is at the sandlot level. Derrick Morgan, Daryl Richard, Michael Johnson, et al played in a 4-3. The DL responsibilities in a 3-4 are really different from a 4-3. You want to fault the pass rush, fault the OLB and occasional blitzing CBs and safeties.
Beat UGA
September 27th, 2012
8:24 am
I have faith in Coach Groh and the defense, they will stop opponents on 3rd down, pressure the quarterback, and stuff the run!
Jacket Detective
September 27th, 2012
8:29 am
I never liked the Groh hire because I do not like coaches ripping off colleges, holding them to contracts they tear up when someone offers more money.
The current set up is nuts.
Groh went to Virginia.
Why not just settle with them for one mil?
How much money do these hasbeens need after being paid millions to start with?
You don’t like Hewitt?
He has a better argument than Groh for getting the money.
Heck he is about the only hot coach to stay with us when he could have gotten more elsewhere.
Why do we like Ross so much?
He used us and did not have to win a tough BCS bowl game to get the NC.
Hewitt could win one too with an opponent like the average Nebraska team Ross faced instead of UCONN.
Hewiit should have dumped us too.
He could have gotten more money.
The college he went to probably could have afforded the top assistants bloggers say we can’t.
Lots of basketball and football head coaches are figure heads, good with the alums.
Their assistants do the hard work.
Jacket Detective
September 27th, 2012
8:31 am
@Beat UGA.
You go to the games?
Jacket Detective
September 27th, 2012
8:33 am
@Delbert D.
Agreed.
Why hire someone who has a ready made excuse for a crummy defense?
Groh needs 3 years to install his syetem?
Gives CPJ time too.
Well time is up folks.
BIrmingham Jacket
September 27th, 2012
8:35 am
“Georgia Tech looking for pass rush.”
Start looking harder for better players.
Start getting it done on paper in February, and we’ll get it done on the field Sept-January.
But it won’t be with our current coaches. They’re clueless when it comes to buying the groceries.
Jacket Detective
September 27th, 2012
8:37 am
I stole the Al(zheimer) Groh slight I used yesterday.
It was first in the Tech Vent when the AJC had one.
The vent was after Russell Wilson picked us apart like Miami did: “Al(zheimer) Groh. All our problems are solved.”
Obvious sarcasm.
Jacket Detective
September 27th, 2012
8:40 am
Groh’s hiring makes firing Wommack look like a mistake.
We held Iowa to 27 with our offense not doing much in the BCS bowl.
A made late FG instead if the miss could have made the game a lot more interesting.
Took the pressure off them.
Always a Jacket
September 27th, 2012
8:40 am
5th year of CPJ era;
No QB.
No passing / pass blocking offense once the defense breaks down.
Defense still ranked in bottom half of FBS schools.
Special Teams breakdowns. Safety on Kick off. Partial credit for originality.
Recuriting rankings remain below the better ACC football schools.
I believe one All ACC preseason player.
No bowl wins.
Very poor record vs UGA, VT, Miami.
Winning record vs Clemson for now.
Jacket Detective
September 27th, 2012
8:48 am
BTW I agree with Delbert because if Barnes occupies two blockers, then he has done his job. The tackles and sacks in Groh’s 3-4 usually go to the linebackers.
Jacket Detective
September 27th, 2012
8:51 am
@Always a Jacket.
I agree with all your comments except knocking Tevin.
I’m his dad.
Kidding.
No I just defend our players.
The blame goes to the folks making the big money.
And the AD who chooses the head coaches.
UGA = Yawn
September 27th, 2012
8:58 am
I crack up at these articles. ‘Tech looking for pass rush’!? 4 games into the season!!?? How funny. They didn’t need it the first 4 games and now, all of a sudden, have decided they do? Who coaches this flippin team!!??
greta
September 27th, 2012
8:59 am
Questions for Paul Johnson-
As I pointed out three years ago, how can a team focused on a running game develop an adequate passing defense?
Do you really believe your lines, out manned in size by a large percentage, will whip the opposition for 60 minutes, or longer as, you play a good bit of overtime? What magic sauce defies the laws of physics?
If it takes over three years to learn and install the D, a player for four years will know the D for one year and leave – does this make since? We will be week on defense about 3/4 the time. Nice.
Can Al Groh relate to and communicate with the players?
Can you recruit for Div I?
Why would you abandon your own philosophy at a crucial point, and put the weakest payers on the field?
Do you need psychiatric help? – “felt like hanging myself” , “maybe it just wasn’t our day”, is this what the pep talk is like at half time? Are you clinically depressed? Over your head?
Not very Head Coach like. Not an adequate representative for Georgia Tech. Remember the Walmart remarks last year. The CEO of Walmart is a GT grad. Nice. Only to go on and loose.
How many years will the next coaching regime be delayed from starting the turnaround?
Will need four years recruit adequately large players, after pj is gone.
Time to answer some hard questions. Lets have some straight talk – remember how you like it?
Steve
September 27th, 2012
8:59 am
Quote from “Supersize that order mutt” yesterday:
“@ ole yeller…..you should know by now that the mutts have selective memories and never deal with facts.”
This is after he said that Spurrier ALWAYS beats Richt/UGA. Ha ha ha. Love it. Way to go by the facts moron. Enjoy your day playing on the computer all day!
UGA = Yawn
September 27th, 2012
9:00 am
I agree that it isn’t cool to knock players. They are student athletes! The only 2 I have ever commented on are the goofball that punched the VT QB last year in Atlanta and totally turned the momentum from GT to VT (and we lost) and the one last week that took a safety in the end zone that created a 9 point swing that lost the game for us. GT students are supposed to be bright! Those 2 are not. It is no doubt, they are at GT because of something other than brains!
DOC 51
September 27th, 2012
9:01 am
Because of our defense GT has no shot at CLEMSON or UGA.Who cares about winning the other creampuff games.Phone lines in the GT ticket office will be mostly silent.52 pass attempts against UM and we can’t get close to the QB.Why are GT players and coaches wasting the practice time?S.DAYS was recruited to stand on the sideline wearing his baseball cap.
Dadgum...
September 27th, 2012
9:07 am
After the Clemson game, GT will be favored in every game except UGA. Should we be fortunate enough to beat Clemson again on the road then we should be headed to a solid bowl game. The schedule is easy right now. VT has without a doubt the toughest schedule in the division and are facing the meat of it now. Miami looks to be the Coastal winner IMO.
Delbert D.
September 27th, 2012
9:07 am
People seem to want to get rid of Groh; well, he’s going to retire soon. Who to replace him with? On the surface of it, the best candidate would be a coach who knows this defense, someone from the Parcells-Belichick-Groh 2-gap 3-4 lineage.
Cross and Barnes are gone after this season. Those 2 guys are the prototype size for the 3-4; the rest of the depth chart are smaller, especially Shawn Green at NT. Gotsis has the size for a 3-4 DE; so will Kallon next year. If you want to blow it all up and switch to the 4-3, you need DEs and DTs with agility. Guys like Dieke and Cummings would probably move inside to DT. If you don’t have a 240 to 260 lb DE with speed and agility, the pass rush problems will be the problem still. Attoachu, who is the primary pass rush guy in the existing 3-4 would be a DE in a 4-3, again the primary pass rusher.
Speculation from here on about 4-3, but Gotsis has agility, based on video from Australia that showed him doing pass-protect drills as an O-lineman. Kallon is raw, but definitely agile and big. Green is strong, and pretty agile from what I’ve see on the tube in games this season. The LBs would have to learn new responsibilities, which is the riskiest part in the first year. The secondary is less affected by the change.
Have fun figuring it out.
GT Man
September 27th, 2012
9:07 am
Groh mentions that Miami used 7 blockers, that means that 3 players still got out and caught passes against 7 defenders if 4 lineman did rush. Grohs really a ” super ” defensive coordinator. Hopefully PJ and he are both looking for jobs this winter. And if Vad isnt playing much, chances are he’ll look elsewhere to transfer.
DOC 51
September 27th, 2012
9:14 am
GT DEFENSE will not be better next year because it’s not a Priority w/ CPJ.
carolinajacket
September 27th, 2012
9:22 am
What I could not figure out was how no one covered Miami’s best receiver on that first td. I just about fell out of my chair when I saw that one.
www
September 27th, 2012
9:54 am
more BLITZES!
Jacket Detective
September 27th, 2012
10:00 am
When someone tells me to wait three years before complaining then u can bet I’m going to be a problem when year 3 of good QBs picking us apart arrives with no improvement.
BTW Jamea Thomas is damn good.
His pick in the game was a great cornerback play.
He did the same thing on his pick in last year’s Clemson game.
With the help of a pass rush, he might get two like Burnett did in the 2009 games vs UNC.
Good job dude.
Jacket Detective
September 27th, 2012
10:05 am
@www. Agreed.
How does CAG not know this?
U use blitzes and the home crowd to intimidate the other team’s QB.
Instead we provided a home away from home for their offense.
With time, a good QB can pick apart most D’s.
headley lamar
September 27th, 2012
10:08 am
I know enough about college football to know that Spurrier can coach circles around Richt. USC WILL beat UGA. Count on it.
- Supersize
This from the same guy who told us Tech would DEFINITELY beat Miami
Forgive me if I dont take his predictions all that seriously. My 6 year old niece could pick them better.
In fact the thought crossed my mind to get Supersizes predictions for all the games for a particular week. Then go to Vegas and bet the exact opposite.
Could be quite lucrative.
Jacket Detective
September 27th, 2012
10:09 am
Miami game of 2012 = North Carolina State Game of 2010.
Gerald Tarrant’s pick 6 prevented a home blowout loss which it nearly was anyway.
Where is the improvement in year 3 of Al’s system.
BTW the Miami game was the big game of this year’s schedule.
The final 4 games will make it easy to stay home.
George Stein
September 27th, 2012
10:10 am
Glass houses, headley. I’m pretty sure you were lecturing us about how we’d only won six games last year because that’s what Vegas said.
headley lamar
September 27th, 2012
10:28 am
Meh. It was an outlier.
Vegas did say 6 last year. You beat the spread by 2.
Frankly I think you guys over performed.
Vegas said 8 this year.
Wanna bet they are wrong two years in a row ?
Paul in NH
September 27th, 2012
10:29 am
“In fact the thought crossed my mind to get Supersizes predictions for all the games for a particular week. Then go to Vegas and bet the exact opposite.
Could be quite lucrative.”
I thought headley was still avoiding Vegas after his big bet on the under on GT in 2011.
Paul in NH
September 27th, 2012
10:31 am
headley seems to think that “Vegas” comes up with a betting line by making a prediction on how the teams will perform on the field.
headley lamar
September 27th, 2012
10:32 am
Looking at the Tech schedule.
Account for loses to Clemson and UGA ( Tech will be a big dog both of those )
And its 8 wins assuming Tech doesn’t slip up in A She She play. Not counting bowl game.
BTW that’s exactly what I predicted about a month ago for Tech’s season.
Of course I was immediately ridiculed and Supersize made his prediction for an 11-1 season.
To summarize. your argument of glass houses really doesn’t hold water.
headley lamar
September 27th, 2012
10:33 am
headley seems to think that “Vegas” comes up with a betting line by making a prediction on how the teams will perform on the field.
No they do it to get even money on both sides.
That way they win either way.
Its still a pretty good indicator though.
headley lamar
September 27th, 2012
10:35 am
I thought headley was still avoiding Vegas after his big bet on the under on GT in 2011.
Didn’t bet it. I thought 6 was low too.
Especially considering the god awful “conference” you guys play in.
headley lamar
September 27th, 2012
10:42 am
BTW this was my prediction for the season posted back on Aug 7th. Pretty good so far.
Va Tech ( Loss )
Blue Hose ( Win )
Virginia ( Win )
Miami ( Loss )
Middle Tenn ( Win )
Clemson ( Loss )
B.C. ( Win )
BYU ( Win )
Maryland ( Win )
N.C. ( Win )
Duke ( Win )
UGA ( Loss )
Bowl ( Loss )
I have Tech with 8 wins as well. Seems about right in the ACC.
George Stein
September 27th, 2012
10:42 am
Your point was that because SS was wrong once, he’ll be wrong this time. You’ve done nothing here to prove that. Further, I think you’re engaging in a little revisionist history.
Also, if you think Vegas is in the business of making predictions, I would suggest you not gamble. As the saying goes, if you’re at a table and you don’t know who the sucker is, it’s you.
juvenal
September 27th, 2012
10:42 am
i love everybody….bunch i don’t like, though…..maybe an Aussie would of got mad by being held so much and gone all mad max on them….
headley lamar
September 27th, 2012
10:51 am
He was wrong about Va Tech 2
He is wrong quite a bit.
Tech special teams not great | Georgia Tech
September 27th, 2012
10:51 am
[...] Looking for a pass rush [...]
Al Bundy
September 27th, 2012
11:12 am
I hope we aren’t taking MTSU lightly… It won’t shock me if they beat us. They have a quarterback who can throw.
GT Lee
September 27th, 2012
11:24 am
A fat lady must have come into the shoe store again. Al, you are really letting Peggy, Bud Kelly and Buck down with all this negativity. A few weeks ago you promised to start being more positive. One more negative post and I’m sending Officer Dan and Griff over to your place. Now pack up the Dodge and head to Bobby Dodd this weekend.
JoeFan
September 27th, 2012
11:37 am
Tech will find a pass rush when and if they recruit better and compliment that with a DC that can orchestrate a credible defensive scheme.
WnE
September 27th, 2012
11:58 am
I see that Mr. Rumbleseat (FL Jacket) has decided to show up AFTER things have died down since the crappy performance vs. Miami.
I was one of the few that warned everyone how pedestrian our DL was before we logged no sacks in 52 pass attempts vs. Miami.
Stephon Tuitt, 6-6 300lbs. give or take, with 6 sacks vs. top flight competition, Tr-SOPH., vs. Dieke 6-6 270lbs. and built “skinny” with zero sacks vs. crappy ACC competition and is a RS-JUNIOR, both are 3-4 DEs, although you couldn’t tell by looking at Dieke’s on-field performance.
We’re not losing games in the fall, we’re losing these games in Feb.
Some of the 3-4 DEs that we rotated in vs. Miami were 6-4 265lbs. and 6-3 256lbs., when those guys came off the ball at the snap they just “stuck” to Miami’s 6-7 320lbs OTs like they were made out of Velcro.
Our pass rush is non-existent, because our talent on the DL is severely lacking.
Next year it will be WORSE, our experience level will drop greatly.
Where are all those GT fans that LAUGHED at UGA hiring CTG in the same time frame we hired CAG and claimed that “we got the better of the deal”?
CPJ is getting what he deserves a sorta CFB karma if you will, when Wommack was the DC he brought in CAG “as a guest” to observe practice , the truth is he was interviewing CAG when Wommack was still on the job which is bush league in every way.
You do enough bush league stuff, you end up getting yours in the end. (no pun intended).
Once again hindsight proves WnE to be a lot closer to being correct than are my detractors!
Al Bundy
September 27th, 2012
12:08 pm
@GT Lee I know I promised to be more positive but my gosh a shoe salesman can only take so much! I live in Crimson Tide country and take a considerable amount of abuse for being a GT fan. I started wearing my Dad’s Rat Hat back in 1966 and have proudly wore the GT colors every since. So you can imagine the abuse I endure.
I haven’t been to a game this year but I’m hoping to make a game before the end of season.
If you look at MTSU’s stats for this season they shouldn’t be taken lightly. They are a much better team this year and could give us all we want and then some. I just hope we don’t look past these guys and get embarrassed.
Born2Buzz
September 27th, 2012
12:16 pm
I just don’t trust AG to come up with a scheme to get to the QB. It’s been 3 years and it’s the same old stuff. I feel like he has that bend but don’t break, or actually bend but break D, similar to what B VanGorder had with the Falcons. You have to attack, and AG has said his philosophy is for the DL to “build a wall to contain”. Look at what the new DC for the Falcons has done. It’s not a read and react D, it’s an attack and make plays D. That’s what you need to get sacks & get turnovers.
Maybe these DL’s don’t collapse the pocket and get sacks because they are instructed to “build a wall”.
I know we have better talent on D this year, but we still have the same coaching philosophy. Especially when the game is on the line and all we need to do is get one stop. It’s always sit back and try to contain them. Happened in VT, happened with Miami.
And it blows.
Good AJC/Ken Sugiura Auticle on Tech's Defense
September 27th, 2012
12:16 pm
[...] Defense Good article I thought, Ken Sugiura is best Tech reporter since Furman Bisher…. Georgia Tech looking for pass rush | Georgia Tech Reply With Quote [...]
Jmonty
September 27th, 2012
12:17 pm
After reading quite a few comments…
1. TW is the reason for the “D” collapse. While I do understand ball control. You have to understand that when you have a 17 point lead in the 4th quarter, the D should be able to maintain that.
2.. CAG is a serious issue. I saw comments about a good QB being able to pick apart any defense. While that may be true. Miami’s QB isin’t that good. If he picked GT’s defense apart… I really hate to see what Murray for UGA is going to do.
3..Please stop blaming the players.. These are 18-22 yr old kids.. They do what the coaches tell them. If they aren’t given assignments on the “D” they don’t know. As I’ve said in many previous comments, missed tackles happen… In fact, our offense thrives on them. However; when players are not lined up right and the “D” looks like chaos. That has to be a coaching breakdown.
and 4. Other than CPJ’s hiring of CAG. He hasn’t made too many mistakes. Just CAG was one HUGE one. I don’t know why he feels so attached to CAG. But, he had better lose that attachment before it costs him his job. CAG is horrible. He was a loser at UVA and he is still a loser.
Jmonty
September 27th, 2012
12:21 pm
@ Born… I agree 100%
When you got the other team down… You don’t play soft… You go for the finishing blow. In neither game GT did that. It does blow.
Jmonty
September 27th, 2012
12:24 pm
By the way Ken??? All us Tech fans are looking for a pass rush… Just sayin’
Supersize loves Bush
September 27th, 2012
12:41 pm
We haven’t had a pass rush since Derrick.
Gorilla Biscuit
September 27th, 2012
12:55 pm
“Georgia Tech looking for pass rush”
Good luck with that.
JaxF
September 27th, 2012
1:04 pm
Is it just me or were the refs overlooking a lot of Miami offfensive line holding. 50+ passes and no holds / no sacks. I had to go back and look at the game to see why. On one play there are three holds (my eyes) on the screen at one time alone.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
1:06 pm
@ the poster at 12:41PM…….why do you find it necessary to use my name in what you post? Ken asked you last night to keep politics out of the blogs, and not to take swipes at other bloggers. If you don’t like me, fine; that’s your prerogative, although, since I have no idea who you are, I also have no idea what I have said to tick you off. But please pick a name that does not involve me or politics or anything which you might think of me. Thank you
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
1:08 pm
@ JaxF……it’s not just you; they held on almost every play
Supersize loves Obama
September 27th, 2012
1:09 pm
Sorry
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
1:12 pm
If you were sorry, then you would do what Ken asked you to do, even if you choose to ignore my request. You are behaving as bad as the UGA trolls.
Supersize loves Obama
September 27th, 2012
1:14 pm
What can I do to make it up?
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
1:15 pm
get a real name that doesn’t make use of my name or your PERCEIVED ideas of my political views, or of politics at all.
Supersize loves Obama
September 27th, 2012
1:17 pm
Ok no problem. See you at the BUS.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
1:18 pm
I don’t go to the BUS
Supersize loves Obama
September 27th, 2012
1:20 pm
Sure.
headley lamar
September 27th, 2012
1:21 pm
Hey Supersize
Would you be willing to pick a few games for me?
College and Pros
That way I can bet on the other side. Seems like a pretty safe bet.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
1:24 pm
Well, I can see you are still unwilling to comply with what has been requested. I can only hope that Ken sees your posts and simply bans you for failure to comply.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
1:24 pm
@ headless…..that was actually sort of funny
GT 4 Life
September 27th, 2012
1:37 pm
We have to beat the big boys to be able to enjoy these cupcake wins. My crystal ball tells me that we’ll beat MT pretty easily and assume all of our defensive problems are solved. Then the following week
GT 4 Life
September 27th, 2012
1:41 pm
The best thing that happend during last week’s game was Gangnam Style playing during a time out. Other than that the crowd looked like they were at a funeral.
GT Fan
September 27th, 2012
1:44 pm
I see Headly has taken all of the information I gave him about Vegas & gambling, and is trying to use it as his own.
Pretty sad, Headly. I figured a man of your education would be better than that. But then I remembered … your education is from Troy. That says it all.
As many other GT fans on these GT BLOGS have said …. Troll hard. You’re a winner in my book.
Supersize loves Obama
September 27th, 2012
1:52 pm
When was the last time we had a tight end catch a pass?
fuzzybee78
September 27th, 2012
1:52 pm
Derrick Morgan was a talented D end playing in a 4-3. Our D ends in a 3-4 are IMO more D tackles than D ends. If we played a 4-3, I expect you would see better production out of our existing D ends but probably not the level of DMorgan.
We have 4 talented LB, if you pull one out and play a 4-3 you might improve the rush but you lose another cover guy who can run. CAG is rushing Watts or Sneezy some and a CB or SS some. Miami to there credit picked it up. I think the answer if there is one this year is to take chances with tighter coverage ie press on the 3rd and longs but you could get burned for a big play.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
1:53 pm
I don’t play games, bubba
GT Fan
September 27th, 2012
1:58 pm
What Groh did address was that Tech’s pass rush was negated by Miami’s protection scheme, in which the Hurricanes often used as many as seven players on passes to block for quarterback Stephen Morris.
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Now this is REAL scary, fellow GT fans!
Unless I’m missing something, I don’t think I read anywhere that UM’s O was so dominant & deep with TALENT before last Saturday??
The Canes used 7 of their 11 offensive players to block GT’s D, whether it be 4,5 or 6 rushers. That leaves 3 receivers for the QB to throw to who are covered by 5,6 or 7 defenders. And this subpar QB still passes for 436 yds!?
Miami just gave GT’s remaining opponents a blueprint for beating the Jackets. It’s scary to think what good passing teams (Clemson, BC, Duke, UGA) will be able to do vs GT knowing they only need 3 receivers running routes, and can overload on pass protection.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
2:02 pm
well, the name thief is back again. Something tells me he is the same person as the one using part of my name as his blog name and interjecting falsely perceived political views at the same time.
GTfan2012
September 27th, 2012
2:03 pm
Only WnE would take a victory lap on saying we should’ve gotten Stephon Tuitt. Classic. I wish we would have gotten Tuitt and Tomlinson from last year. Tuitt would be starting and Tomlinson would probably be playing quite a bit. I also wish we had a 6′5″ 240lb strong armed QB who also runs a 4.5 40 (how about Cam Newton). While we are playing the wishing game, I’d really like to have a circa 2000 version of Champ Bailey at CB… actually I’ll take 2, one for each side. And could I also get a Troy Palomalou at Safety. At A-back, I’d like a CJ Spiller, while at B-Back, I won’t be greedy, I’ll just take Jonathan Dwyer back.
OF COURSE I WISH WE HAD NFL TALENT AT EVERY POSITION! What a stupid thing to bring up.
GT Fan
September 27th, 2012
2:08 pm
Fuzzybee78 et al who think Derrick Morgan’s sack # were b/c he played in a 4-3 …. put down your crack pipes!
I’ll say it s-l-o-w-l-y this time:
DMorgan, in only 3 seasons recorded 19 sacks. Wikipedia didn’t mention sacks in 2007 (his freshman season) but said he played in 12 of 13 games, registering 9 tackles (sacks??).
Izaan Cross & TJ Barnes are both in their Senior season…meaning in ‘09 they too played in the 4-3 D…and COMBINED the two have 4.0 career sacks, FOUR (4)! That’s bad no matter what D they play/played in.
GT Fan
September 27th, 2012
2:17 pm
GTfan2012 … would loved to have been a fly on the wall in the Tuitt household when ND scrambled down and got momma to “interveen/change” her son’s decision to go to GT.
Makes one wonder what “promises” ND folks offered to momma Tuitt for her to do & say what did & said.
At any rate, GT’s gotta get some game-changers on the DL. Groh had some at UVA (Chris Long, Cam Johnson, the NG that had 20 tackles vs.GT in ‘09), but I think AG’s time is up for getting them at GT. IMO, unless Sat. turns out to be an abberration and the D plays the rest of the season like games 1-3, PJ let’s Groh go at season’s end.
Supersize loves Obama
September 27th, 2012
2:21 pm
@GtFan….Tuitt is a game changer no doubt. However, what we are missing is overall team speed. Thoughts?
billyBobjacket
September 27th, 2012
2:23 pm
I guess the reason we all want to see Vad play is that deep down we have been hoping that he is our salvation. We have been sold on him being the “next great thing”, but the longer he sits on the sideline the more the terrible thought starts to creep in that maybe he is not “all that”. This season is toast, lets work on next year. I see lots of other true and redshirt freshmen getting starts at QB at more successful programs than ours, and it seems to pay off down the road.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
2:24 pm
How many times do I have to ask you to get rid of that damn name?
billyBobjacket
September 27th, 2012
2:28 pm
The rest of us are pretty tired of BOTH supersize names.
Supersize loves Obama
September 27th, 2012
2:29 pm
@BillyBob….Vad will be the answer because of his passing ability. Imagine if Tebow didn’t throw the ball at UF?
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
2:38 pm
@ billyBobjacket……sorry if I have offended you by calling you out on some of your posts. But as far as “the rest of us” being tired of me, I’m happy to say you stand pretty much alone with the trolls on that assessment. Many of the guys who post regularly on these blogs are personal friends, and they have no problem with me, my name, or my posts at all. Would love to have you on board too, but it is what it is.
Born2Buzz
September 27th, 2012
2:39 pm
Jmonty, you got that right, regarding the Miami QB. He missed a lot of open passes early in that game. I even said “thank goodness their QB stinks for we would be getting killed”. I guess when you throw it 52 times eventually you are going to connect.
GT Fan
September 27th, 2012
2:39 pm
SS L Obama …. IMO, team speed is fine. I think it all boils down to “the trenches” for the D. It’s been this way since the last dominant DLman left (DMorgan).
GT’s 2010, 2011, and in the Miami (dang, I hope UM was the abberration) DL have just been flat-out dismal.
On O, IMO, it’s Bback. Bback hasn’t been a threat to opposing Ds since AA left after 2010 season. Stopping the dive has been too easy for GT’s opponents. In 2012 though it looks like a little better passing to the backs is helping keep Ds honest.
The Truth
September 27th, 2012
2:43 pm
I feel like a broken record, but as long as we play a 3-4, our pass rush will suffer. We do not have the talent. A 4-3 or some variation is the answer.
Gorilla Biscuit
September 27th, 2012
2:48 pm
“I feel like a broken record, but as long as we play a 3-4, our pass rush will suffer. We do not have the talent. A 4-3 or some variation is the answer.”
The Truth is ya’ll need to recruit better defensive players.
Supersize loves Obama
September 27th, 2012
2:50 pm
@Gt Fan….in the base 3-4 you need to be aggressive to stop the run. However, especially up the middle, we cant match team speed with the big boys. That’s when you get Miami, etc rushing for 300 plus yards. We have to be able to meet the blockers at the line of scrimmage. Right know we cant do that.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
3:01 pm
What channel is Honey Boo Boo on?
DOC 51
September 27th, 2012
3:15 pm
Overall team speed is lacking ,as well as good gang tackling.GT tackling is artrocious in many big games.If the guys aren’t doing it at this point,defense won’t improve in the last 8 games.
Burdell
September 27th, 2012
3:20 pm
“That’s when you get Miami, etc rushing for 300 plus yards.”
Huh?
PLAYMAKER
September 27th, 2012
3:37 pm
Groh gets mad at people because they ask him why teams march down the field with less then 2 minutes left. Are you kidding me? We are the ones who should be mad! He hides behind excuses, “we don’t have players to lay 3-4, it takes 3 years, well a great coach adapts. He has be DC why has he not recruited players.He takes the 5th, “I’m not talking about it no more.” He chuckles about GT less then average recruiting. Looks like this is one guy CPJ is scared of. Groh just may be too set in his ways
crackbaby
September 27th, 2012
3:43 pm
“Neither CPJ nor CAG recognize what their fans can do.
Our stadium is small but we’re a pretty rabid and loud group at times.” – Jacket Detective
Strongly disagree there, JD. Tech fans are meek and mild mannered – not necessarily a bad thing as CFB fans generally behave like idiots. LSU fans by far are the loudest. Nebraska fans are the most polite.
Tech fans can’t even do a “white out” for national TV. WTF – You don’t have a white shirt / jacket / sweatshirt?
Woofy One
September 27th, 2012
3:44 pm
CPJ and Groh take the team to victory next game. No worries.
BLT
September 27th, 2012
4:23 pm
It’s the color of the garments fault!
Jason
September 27th, 2012
4:37 pm
Groh is looking for what? Groh needs to teach technique. Carl Eller couldn’t get to the QB if he has been trained to run around all blockers. Groh needs to teach his folks to work off and fight through blocks.
Jason
September 27th, 2012
4:38 pm
“well a great coach adapts”
well said- even a good coach adapts-
GT Lee
September 27th, 2012
4:48 pm
@BLT
as the “most interesting interesting man in the world” would say:
“Stay feisty my friend”.
GT Lee
September 27th, 2012
4:49 pm
should only be 1 interesting, dammit…..
WnE
September 27th, 2012
5:01 pm
re:
What Groh did address was that Tech’s pass rush was negated by Miami’s protection scheme, in which the Hurricanes often used as many as seven players on passes to block for quarterback Stephen Morris.
“Unless you rush eight, they’ve got more than you’ve got,” he said. “The numbers game comes into effect that way. Usually where those seven-man protections get beat is if you have some awesome individual pass rushers who can win the one-on-ones.”
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I think CAG flat-out lied about Miami using 7 guys to pass block, there were SOME instances (very few) where Miami was in Max protection, but most of the times that Miami dropped back to pass they sent a TE into the pass pattern, and they also had a RB in the pass pattern almost all the time.
With 5-OLs and a RB & a TE in the pass pattern, plus 2 or 3 WRs it is mathematically impossible to max-Protect with 7.
I think CAG came up with a handy lie to cover up for the fact that his players on D are terrible pass-rushers, even Attachou has taken a huge step backwards this season.
The 2 plays that I remember that were max-Protect were when Miami got the ball on the 9-yd line on that game-tying Drive, those first 2 plays they were in max-Protect, other than those 2 plays Miami did NOT use Max-Protection as often as CAG would lead you to believe.
Coach-speak is one thing, but intentional deception in another, this leads me to believe that CAG looked at the film and saw SUB-STANDARD TALENT on our Defensive side of the ball and instead of being honest with the fans that it isn’t likely to get better, he simply conjures up the excuse that Miami was in max-protection schemes.
But then again I told many of you guys back during the summer that we were in trouble on the DL with guys like Dieke, Cumming, Crenshw, Cross, & TJ Barnes.
You don’t show mediocrity for 3-4 years as a DL then have a “breakout yr” just because the CPJ BLTs dream it up on Ken’s Blogs.
Learn to listen to the CFB-Genius that is WnE and you’ll be less disappointed when the season arrives.
All Hail WnE!
GT fan Alumni for 56 years
September 27th, 2012
7:32 pm
I am tired of excuses. Tired of losing big games. Tired of firing good coaches. Tired of poor recruiting classes, tired of no support from the Hill, tired of limited Majors, tired of Elite Engineers saying more Majors are bad, tired of being an ‘Institute’, tired of spending Saturdays at GField and going home after losing or beating a creampuff, tired of Board of Regents protecting UGA football., GT football has been put on the back burner for me although I love GT and football in general.
ole yeller
September 27th, 2012
8:22 pm
GT fan for 56 years, I am with you on every point. As for the fake Supersize/Obama’s last comment about when was the last time a tight end caught a pass at GT. Here’s the answer dummy. G.T. runs a spread offense and does not even have a tight end. So it must have been before Paul Johnson came into play, right?
Ken, please do something about this clown!
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
8:25 pm
@GT fan Alumni…..maybe you should go to bed if you are so tired. Sounds like you are a fair weather fan.
Delbert D.
September 27th, 2012
8:32 pm
Sacks. Everybody loves them, 3-4 defensive linemen, especially. I did some very simple research on the 2nd-most effective 3-4 defense in America the last 2 years, the University of Georgia. Here are the results for Georgia defensive lineman sacks for the first 4 games this year, and by comparison, the first four last year.
2012 – 2 sacks
2011 – 1.5 sacks
ole yeller
September 27th, 2012
8:42 pm
Super, are you saying that you are not tired of the Board of Regents protecting UGA football and putting the institute on the back burner for so many years? I don’t know what the firing of good coaches is all about, I did not read close enough, I am a diehard GT fan and suffer with each Tech loss and will never turn my back on the team.. However GT fan made some good points.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
8:44 pm
Wow Delbert. That was hard hitting.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
8:47 pm
@ole yeller….I too am a diehard fan. But what does the BOR have to do with anything. At some point it boils down to good players and good coaching.
Delbert D.
September 27th, 2012
8:51 pm
That shows the scheme of the 3-4, which is supposed to feature the linebackers (particularly, the OLB) in the pass rush. Here are the total for the LB sacks for the 1st 4 games this year for Georgia and Tech:
Georgia – 6 (4.5 by J. Jones)
Tech – 0.5 (0.5 by J. Attaochu)
George P. Burdell
September 27th, 2012
8:54 pm
@ gt fan Alumni Being a tech fan is not for everybody ,its kinda hard sometimes.I cant speak for everyone ,but in my case its something i was born into ,and with.The perfect sat. is when we win ,and everyone else loses.T.H.W.G
ole yeller
September 27th, 2012
8:55 pm
Maybe I am confused, but does the BOR not control the curriculum that these schools are allowed to offer as well as funding? If not GT would be offering basket weaving as is allowed at the university. Not to say I want thugs at the GT, but its still not a level playing field. Good players with the academic smarts are not as prevalent as those recruited by Bama, UGA, LSU, etc. Not saying lower the standards but put all on the same playing field. Maybe raise some of the standards for the football factory’s? You know as well as I that we recruit from a much smaller base that UGA.
ole yeller
September 27th, 2012
8:56 pm
Should read “than”.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
8:57 pm
@ Delbert…..I was a little confused by your first post. I think J.A. would obviously do better if he had the athlete’s Jarvis Jones has around him, maybe even better. CPJ is a genious but its hard to coach up with marginal talent.
K
September 27th, 2012
8:57 pm
After seeing the results of our Defensive coach and Special Teams coach, it is glaringly apparent Paul Johnson is not very good at hiring assistant coaches.
Not to mention the recruiting.
So, what do you do??????
ole yeller
September 27th, 2012
8:59 pm
By the way Super, you and I have had this discussion before and you said that the BOR would never allow Tech to be on a level playing field with UGA.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
9:00 pm
@old yeller…..the BOR approves the curriculum that each University /Institute sends them. Tech has the right to set its own course.
BLT
September 27th, 2012
9:08 pm
Super, ole yeller is saying in a nutshell “the best Tech will get is Management Major”. Nothing else, and as far as I’m concerned I’m glad we have one of the best ENGINEERING schools in the country. It’s not a crutch (wrexster) it’s the damn facts. We will get recruits that want the degree from The Georgia Institute of Technology! Notice I did not type “University”. If the GD BOR decides to allow “Humanities” at Tech then GT will be cheapened. Let the other state schools take that route. The BOR are a bunch of worthless POS anyway. AND yes, they protect UGA at all cost. Sorry for the rant and it’s the uniforms fault.
ole yeller
September 27th, 2012
9:10 pm
Not without approval. The BOR also has the power to strike down any curriculum that it deems not appropriate for the school. This has been done many times. I guess friends can also disagree. The bottom line is the playing field is not level. Say what you will but the double standard does affect recruiting. If its not the BOR responsibility then it must have been the leadership at our school for the past 45 years to not deem sports and winning a priory otherwise they would have submitted a curriculum that would attract more athletes.
ole yeller
September 27th, 2012
9:14 pm
Not to be misunderstood. I can do without the thugs recruited by UGA and am proud of the Tech tradition. Not saying to lower Tech’s requirements, but why not do something novel, like raising the standards for the football factory’s.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
9:14 pm
@BLT…..Ha! I know I have banged on the BOR but at some point we have to look inward. I am proud of the Institute but I think its time to start having higher standards for out athletics. I never hear Nick Saban give excuses.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
9:24 pm
@ all my friend on here…….all the posts made under my name since about 7:30PM tonight were FAKE. PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!! As proof that I am the REAL Supersize…..I will simply say Tubman, Butler, ARC
Delbert D.
September 27th, 2012
9:26 pm
Super – I’ve posted here and on other blogs recently about the difference between the 3-4 and 4-3 as to defensive line responsibilities. The 3-4 that Tech uses was innovated by Bill Parcells. I say, “innovated,”, because the 3-4 is based on the 5-4 defense developed by Bud Wilkinson in the ’40s, and became known as the “Oklahoma 5-4.” That’s the defense I played in in high school.
The “premium” or “hard to find” player in the 3-4 is the NT. Not for sacks, but to tie up 2 blockers and still be able to make the tackle when blocked 1 on 1. The “premium” player in the 4-3 is the DE; the fast, medium-sized (240-265 lbs) pass rusher and backfield disruptor.
In the 3-4, the “easier-to-find-than-a 4-3 DE,” the OLB is the sack threat. Georgia has an All-American at that position, possibly a #1 draft pick, depending on whether a 3-4 or 4-3 team has that pick. If you look at the NFL sack stats for last year, 5 of the top 10 sack guys were 3-4 LBs. The nearest 3-4 D-lineman showed up at # 19. Among all 58 players that had at least 6 sacks, 5 were D-linemen.
Some people on the blogs keep ignoring the schemes and dynamics of the 3-4 and complain about the NT and DEs as *The Problem*. Their are a few problems; for example, the starter last year at NT, Logan Walls had 3 sacks. The LBs had 14. Those are not outstanding numbers, especially for the LBs, as the afore-mentioned Jarvis Jones had 14.5 alone (but he was a redshirt junior All-American, not a true sophomore first-year starter as Attaochu was last season. However, that doesn’t give Attaochu any slack for this year’s results in my book.
Supersize that order, mutt
September 27th, 2012
9:26 pm
One of you will know exactly what I meant by that. And that same person emailed me earlier tonight regarding a constitutional issue, to which I responded. I am leaving now to watch some more TV, so any further posts attributed to me are FAKE. PLEASE, all of you, email Ken and let him know.
Delbert D.
September 27th, 2012
9:29 pm
North Carolina’s chancellor is raising the criteria for athlete admissions beginning next year and cancelling some popular crip courses. The details will be announced in the spring.
1 4 GT
September 27th, 2012
9:29 pm
I doubt that is the real Supersize discussing the BOR issue with y’all. I distinctly recall him having the same attitude as ole yeller. That the BOR held GT back athletically by not allowing GT to expand the curriculum. Now this poser has taken a 180* tack on this issue. I suggest the name thief is messing with y”all. SS & I have talked about this too. The things the poser is saying are not SS’s views. Just saying.
Delbert D.
September 27th, 2012
9:37 pm
I was too involved in my posts that I didn’t catch that BOR thing. I just backtracked the blog, and now I got it. That was not Super.
ole yeller
September 27th, 2012
9:39 pm
Talked to SS, since early this evening the real Super has not been on this blog. Ken, you really do need to do something. The name theft is becoming more prevalent than ever on your blogs.
It’s real easy to fix. You are in control, just explain the rules and stick by them.
Delbert D.
September 27th, 2012
9:44 pm
The AJC did not release the new blogging environment with the promised validated login with their cosmetic and navigation changes to the site. If it can’t be done with WordPress, then dump WordPress.
1 4 GT
September 27th, 2012
9:46 pm
I just hung up the phone from talking to Supersize @ his home. As I surmised, the posts with his handle prior to 9:24 PM going back for some time are not the real Supersize. Those posts are from the name thief!!
Delbert D.
September 27th, 2012
9:59 pm
1 4 GT – Since the NSA streams everything posted on the internet, I wonder if their system has triggered on the fake postings and passed it on for review by HumInt analysts.
5150 UOAD
September 27th, 2012
10:08 pm
Nice! Fake Super is done.
Delbert D.
September 27th, 2012
10:08 pm
Heck, last year chip Towers tracked down a fake poster who was moving from terminal to terminal in the Mercer U. library to try to disguise his logins. Chip blocked the library’s IP address ranges. The NSA has possibly by now requested a warrant from the Attorney General to siphon our SS imposter.
Delbert D.
September 27th, 2012
10:10 pm
That didn’t fool anybody, 10:08 pm. Crawl back in the hole.
1 4 GT
September 27th, 2012
10:11 pm
I don’t know Delbert. I wonder what his reaction would be if they sent in the storm troopers & wanted to “talk” to him/her/it?
Delbert D.
September 27th, 2012
10:11 pm
Enough, I’m outta here.
Delbert D.
September 27th, 2012
10:12 pm
One last comment, then hitting the switch. I don’t think that they would be that nice
1 4 GT
September 27th, 2012
10:13 pm
No, the real 5150 would be much more loquacious, right Delbert?
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11:04 pm
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Techbuzz
September 27th, 2012
11:34 pm
DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUHHH!!!!!!! You can’t have a pass rush playing a 3-4 D with the most under sized line man in college football. Hell, that’s pretty damn obvious!
fuzzybee78
September 28th, 2012
12:01 am
Delbert D at 9:26 is dead on.
GT Fan read it and learn something.
I’ll be there Saturday!
GO JACKETS!
GT fan Alumni for 56 years
September 28th, 2012
6:19 am
BLT, I guess you never heard of Stanford. Higher ranked in Engineering than GT and extremely diverse in Major offerings?and BCS bowls lately, You are part of the problem. I am 63 years old and I have been to more seasons of GT football than you I am sure, I have been in the stands when the nearest fan was twenty yards away on the same row, so I have never been a fair weather fan. Either GT does the necessary things and commits to a top program or I am giving up going to Grant Field and donating. Firing Gailey was what I meant by good coach because it was only partly his fault. I don’t see adding majors as a cheapening of our University. Call it what it is, a University, and we will get more good recruits.
Joel Cote
September 28th, 2012
8:07 am
If the opponent is keeping 7 players in to block that leaves only three running pass routes. Even with the GT pass defense numbers far exceeding that, they continually loss track of receivers, leaving them wide open and resulting in long gains. Poor pass russ and poor coverage has been the theme for the GT defense for the last four years!!
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Jacket Detective
September 28th, 2012
9:26 am
If the other team opts for maximum protection, Al won’t blitz.
Miami’s O coordinator must wish he played D coordinators like Al every weekend.
If the QB knows he will not get sacked or even pressured, especially on the road, his confidence goes way up.
A huge worry is removed.
The QB knows he will have time to find someone open; to check and even recheck his receivers.
WnE
September 28th, 2012
9:54 am
re:
GT fan Alumni for 56 years
September 28th, 2012
6:19 am
BLT, I guess you never heard of Stanford. Higher ranked in Engineering than GT and extremely diverse in Major offerings?and BCS bowls lately, You are part of the problem. I am 63 years old and I have been to more seasons of GT football than you I am sure, I have been in the stands when the nearest fan was twenty yards away on the same row, so I have never been a fair weather fan. Either GT does the necessary things and commits to a top program or I am giving up going to Grant Field and donating. Firing Gailey was what I meant by good coach because it was only partly his fault. I don’t see adding majors as a cheapening of our University. Call it what it is, a University, and we will get more good recruits.
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Absolutely great post!!
DFACS has been under great scrutiny for years for failing Children that it is charged to protect, why can’t GT have ELITE ACADEMICS that includes a Sociology Major up through the Master’s Level.
Broadcast News was revolutionized 2 blocks from campus by Ted Turner, why not add a Communications major, can you imagine Syracuse, NYU, or Columbia being that close to the Media center that is NYC and not having Communications majors?
So why doesn’t GT have a Communications Major?
You can still demand high test scores and high GPAs from the applicant pool even if you do have Sociology or Communications Majors.
Those 2 majors alone would bring more FEMALES and give the campus a more “normal” feeling and make it easier to Recruit to GT without cheapening anyone’s Degree.
Most of the Ivy League Schools have Sociology, Education, Communications and those sorts of Majors and I have never heard an Ivy Leaguer claim their degree has been cheapened.
If you’re majoring in Engr. why would you give D@MN what classes the students in the next bldg. are taking or what they are majoring in?
D-B@gs like BLT and his mindset is what is keeping GT from becoming a better University, a better part of the LOCAL COMMUNITY, and more important part of the State of Ga.’s future, the State needs more than Technical Issues solved.
Once again great post, guys like BLT are the main reason why GT cannot cultivate more sidewalk alums like schools like ND or Michigan do.