The meaning of Tech giving up 609 yards

Todd

September 24th, 2012
2:00 pm

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Squirmin'

September 24th, 2012
2:15 pm

Ugh. Very disappointing.

GTBob

September 24th, 2012
2:27 pm

Kansas St, a team that is ranked 55th this year in total defense, and was 72nd last year in the same category held this team to 262 yards. We manage to follow that up by giving up 609 yards, the most Miami has had against a major opponent since 1998. That can’t possibly be an aberration. We are pretty bad defensively.

Wrecking Ball

September 24th, 2012
2:28 pm

This sucks. Being blown out feels bad. Losing a close game in OT feels even worse. Especially when that keeps happening. I’m happy we came back from a 19-point deficit — any offense that can run up 36 points in a quarter and a half deserves at least some recognition, I think. But what it comes down to is that if out second stringers aren’t out on the field when fourth quarter rolls around, meaning the game is still close at that point, we are in trouble. I don’t know if it’s an issue of physical conditioning, or mental toughness, but our players right now have problems finishing games. I hate to rag on Washington, but all this talk we keep hearing about his leadership does not seem to materialize. A Nesbitt or Dwyer he ain’t. Those guys ran harder under pressure, whereas Washington unfortunately caves.

gt4ever

September 24th, 2012
2:29 pm

All of it was the fact that our Defense is just a little bit worse than our Offense… Pathetic! We got torched by a very average team….

RambleOn84

September 24th, 2012
2:29 pm

Groh’s got to go.

And Paul Johnson deserves plenty of blame, too. First off, you can’t tell me this team was ready to play when they give up 19 quick points like that. That falls on Coach.

Secondly, the decision to punt with 2:00 left on the clock was passing the buck by Johnson. You have ONE YARD to earn to win the game. You fancy yourself an offensive mind and you don’t have a play rung up for that situation? The defense was getting torched all day. Who cares if Miami has to drive 50 yards or 90 yards? Everyone watching that game knew Miami was gonna score.

I still support PJ, but he has some major thinking to do after that game.

Some think the answer is to start Vad. Some think it’s to add in more passing plays (presumably with Vad at QB). I think ANY change at this point will help…what you’re doing is not working. Quit playing not to lose at the end of games…that is what got Gailey fired.

Remember the Paul Johnson all of us Tech fans loved a few years ago? The one who was going to go for it when the game was on the line? What happened to him?

BigDawg

September 24th, 2012
2:30 pm

Imagine what would happen to GT if they played in the SEC! hahaha

tooltime432

September 24th, 2012
2:33 pm

UGA and Clemson are gonna smoke us. It is going to be ugly. This makes it really hard to want to get to campus by noon to see the middle tenn game.

gt4ever

September 24th, 2012
2:33 pm

Absolutely, he makes ONE yard in regulation and we win this football game. Paul Johnson wimped out and he passed the buck to a defense that couldn’t stop Buford. Pathetic! Paul Johnson should be FIRED!

mulk

September 24th, 2012
2:34 pm

No playmakers to be found on that side of the ball, especially on the line. Offensive linemen look like they have velcro when blocking Tech defensive linemen. I’m sure that Coach Groh knows how to coach defense but he can’t make chicken salad out of chicken $hit.

Somebody needs to recruit some defensive players.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
2:34 pm

@ Big Dawg – They would beat everyone but ALA, LSU and UGA. However, I have no doubt it would beat everyone else (USC, ARK, Vandy, Miss, Missouri, TT, etc) just like those aforementioned do.

George Stein

September 24th, 2012
2:34 pm

I get no enjoyment in saying a man – or woman – should lose his job, but the time has come for the Groh experiment to end. The defense has not improved in several seasons and has hamstrung the team from being decent to being great.

I think Johnson should be blamed with hiring him, but he should get one more shot to get it right. This is a team that should be 4-0, ranked in the top 15, and playing for a banner in December. Now we’re playing for Shreveport, and that’s not good enough with the rest of the performance.

crackbaby

September 24th, 2012
2:36 pm

It was difficult to watch the 4th Qtr. Our D line was completely ineffective and there was not even a scent of a pass rush. This was compounded by the offense’s inability to get 1st downs.

Dawgs are gonna roll Tech like yesterday’s laundry. It’s tough to be a Jacket fan – always has been.

White Goodman

September 24th, 2012
2:36 pm

Pathetic!

it is what it is

September 24th, 2012
2:37 pm

wrecking ball right on the money…how did we beat them in 08 but not 09? One more NFL player on defense Michael Johnson…I heard a guy on radio who coached at Nebraska years ago who said Nebraska won 6 of their games they should not have won because they had ONE player on defense who ate the quarterback for lunch because he was a 5 star and was that good. This guy said no one else mattered. This kid could win it by himself.

Coaching is accountable as well to allow Miami to come back from 14 down. TW is a 1AA quarterback who had a good game vs Clemson but that was it in the last two and a half years.
Even against Clemson, it wasn’t perfect. He threw an interception while attempting to reach Orwin while Stephen Hill was wide open and by himself.

crackbaby

September 24th, 2012
2:39 pm

@Rambleon84 – CPJ went for it on 4th and 1 in OT and TW got stuffed by two unblocked defenders. Punting in the 4th Qtr was the right call IMO.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
2:39 pm

And Clemson gave up 70 to a “real” offense btw.

GT Dude

September 24th, 2012
2:39 pm

Now is the time to double down,
to put in perspective how bad last weeks defence scheme was, just to get back to last years 360 yd/gm avg we need to hold MTSU to 119 yds
hope the old man Groh, can learn some new trick

BTW never saw the injury report how are we looking after Miami?

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
2:41 pm

@crackbaby….I agree. The punt was the right call. I think he Tebowed and prayed our defense would make a play which, as usual, it didn’t. I don’t think he will rely on the defense “ever” again. He should just try to score 70 on everyone.

it is what it is

September 24th, 2012
2:41 pm

One thing I learned in my lifetime, those who are losers or fired for being losers aren’t going to help you win in the long run. All they are going to do is drag you down to their losing level. Because that is all they know. Maybe they won 30 yrs ago but they were fired for their losing ways before we hired them. And we have more than one of those coaches on this coaching staff.

www

September 24th, 2012
2:42 pm

there’s still time to turn it around but EVERYONE needs to step up and make fewer mistakes.

and some QB hurries/knockdowns/sacks/TFLs wouldn’t hurt.

OkieDawg

September 24th, 2012
2:43 pm

Tech loses two games in overtime and all the fan base is calling for the coaches to be fired. Yeah, the defense needs fixing and the numbers didn’t look good against Miami but all is not lost. And all the talk about calling the AD and even the President of GT to request coaching changes. Really?

Now is when the players need to feel fan support. And that will not happen if they play Saturday in a half empty stadium. I mean come on…2 games in OT!

George Stein

September 24th, 2012
2:45 pm

Never thought I’d live to see the day when a UGA fan was more rational than a Tech fan.

Groh does need to be replaced, though, OkieDawg.

it is what it is

September 24th, 2012
2:47 pm

GA TECH needs to do whatever it takes to win. Whether its a new offense, a coaching change, definitely an Arts degree so that we can get some 5 stars we cannot get or just PAY THE PLAYERS like Miami did. They are going on probation but what does that do? They still get to play all their games, win them and probably play in a bowl game maybe the Orange Bowl. I am serious.

You ever wonder why UGA gets all the 4 and 5 stars in the state? Because they really do not have to share most of them with GT. Alabama and Auburn fight each other for recruits. And both schools come over to this state and take what they want too. I am SICK OF IT.

Augusta Jacket

September 24th, 2012
2:49 pm

In years past we’ve had playmakers on defense that have stepped up to make big plays at the end of the game, ie. D. Morgan, M. Johnson, and P. Wheeler. Attachu is the closest thing we have.

AB

September 24th, 2012
2:50 pm

The problem is not complicated. Tech has no pass rush. That make it pretty darn difficult to defend the pass. Then, the secondary tackling is atrocious. I expect 60%or more of Miami’s passing yards came after the catch. Tech’s DBs missed far more tackles than they made on Saturday. Looked to be a very poor effort.

The problem is not Groh’s defensive scheme or CPJ’s offense or anything else so esoteric. Tech needs better pass rushers and DBs who want to put ball carriers on the ground.

tooltime432

September 24th, 2012
2:50 pm

GS and okiedawg. I don’t think it’s that we lost, it’s how we lost

SansWorld

September 24th, 2012
2:50 pm

Thanks Okie Dawg, Wish we had more fans like you.

Reebok

September 24th, 2012
2:50 pm

Tech is an average team. We will beat the out-of-conference powder puff teams, split the games within the ACC, and get trashed by Georgia. Let’s just hope Richt doesn’t feel like running up the score, because with all the weapons Georgia’s got on offense, they could hang 70 on our “defense.”

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
2:51 pm

@OkieDawg – I would agree with your assessment except for the following:
1) This is not the first, second, third, fourth or fifth time GT has played like this under PJ
2) Fan support is earned and GT has not earned the support. You can get “free” support when going to a game doesn’t cost you money to park, attend the game, get refreshments and gear showing your support
3) GT’s record against quality opponents under PJ
4) The way GT loses (ST, Defense and some bad offensive play calling)
5) There are other coaches out there you can pay less than 2.5 million and are just as good
6) PJ is a buffoon and Al Groh is a JOKE

George Stein

September 24th, 2012
2:53 pm

That’s part of it, tooltime.

lee

September 24th, 2012
2:54 pm

If you don’t change, you can expect the same result.In the open field, teach and reteach D backs to go for the areas below the knees and hang on. At least the breakaway back will eventually stop running.Have a number 2 quarterback trained to either throw a certain pass route or exucute a straight forward QB sneak for one yard or less and a first down .Films showing same D backs missing open field tackles or not defending well on long passes should be replaced with other candidates.Defensive line needs subs to give them rest to face the rugged 4th quarter in better condition.

Augusta Jacket

September 24th, 2012
2:55 pm

I don’t remember Tenuta’s defenses being word beaters or Wommacks for that matter, but they always seemed to dial up something when we needed. I think it was NC State or Maryland game and M. Johnson got back to back sacks to stop a game winning drive…we just don’t have that and I don’t know if it’s the coaches or players

JasperJacket

September 24th, 2012
2:58 pm

ESPN

“Miami was the first team this season to have an offensive play longer than 46 yards against the Yellow Jackets, and the first team to score a rushing touchdown on this defense. Georgia Tech allowed more than 20 points for the first time this season. The Yellow Jackets allowed more than 500 yards in total offense for just the fourth time in Paul Johnson’s five seasons and for the first time since 2010. And Miami’s 609 yards of total offense is the third-highest total Georgia Tech has allowed all time and the second-highest total in an ACC game. Miami’s 30 first downs are the most allowed under Johnson.”

Going backwards on D. Offense is not the issue. Not acceptable, for guys earing the $ these guys are.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
3:01 pm

@Jasper…thank you as you nailed it. If Johnson wants to be a HC (not an offensive coordinator) change is needed immediately. If Groh is around another season, I will personally remove everything GT from my thoughts.

GTFan

September 24th, 2012
3:05 pm

@OkieDawg…..are u freaking serious?

I can remember the same exact comments coming out of Dawg fans mouth last year, and the years previous to this. The only reason Dawgs fans are quiet is because they are winning. It only takes one loss, and then the tables were turn. I am definitely not one of the one saying fire the coaches, but if the season doesn’t change, they definitely will be in the hot seat.

Ignition

September 24th, 2012
3:06 pm

Tech could easily be 4-0…
Instead it’s 2 & 2 while loosing in OT twice..
The sky is not falling, Tech is still young and I personally feel that the better talent is in the underclasses ..
I don’t like the arogance of CPJ but he is a winner & Al Groh is a 3 time COY, and is highly regards as a defensive guru. I’m not ready to give up on so hastily on all that proven knowledge and experience
Continuously changing coaching staffs is not the answer either..
Maybe I’m a glasses half full guy but it appears to me the GT is on the verge up some very special seasons in a few years to come..

September and it's over

September 24th, 2012
3:07 pm

Who cares? It is still Sept. and we have nothing to play for. If you want to say UGA, I’d say that we pathetic to even have to look forward to that. I’d also say they are gonna kill us. Aaron Murray is better than that Miami freshmen that lit us up. I sold my Clempson tickets and gave away my B.C and BYU. Unlucky for me my wife went to MTSU and I’m forced to go. I’ll leave after a quarter and there will be 15k left in the stands.

George Stein

September 24th, 2012
3:09 pm

I wish I could say the same, Silly Mutts, but I know I’ll buy season tickets again.

It has been awfully frustrating to go back and think of all the games we would have won with a competent defense. Johnson would be 3-1 against UGA if we had one.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
3:09 pm

@Ignitiion – you must have been one of those guys that backed Gailey and his stupidity too. This team sucks and the players are DII talent on both offense and defense. Only because of the Spread Option can GT score and its defense is the most pathetic thing I have EVER seen.

GTFan

September 24th, 2012
3:11 pm

@crackbaby….

Dawgs are gonna roll Tech like yesterday’s laundry. It’s tough to be a Jacket fan – always has been.

Why? Just because we lost, and played horrible. I will always support my Jackets to the end. I will never support UGA because of the fan base. Rude, Obnoxious, and many more reasons.

fuzzybee78

September 24th, 2012
3:12 pm

Said it before–
CAG cannot TACKLE for our guys. Missed tackles at crunch time IS the reason we lost those 2 games. Yards after the catch is the problem. O is putting up points. We keep talking about TW as if we scored 10 points a game! TW gets put in this position BECAUSE the D cant TACKLE.

ibidGT

September 24th, 2012
3:13 pm

Till when does CPJ’s contract last?

GIVE ME A BREAK

September 24th, 2012
3:13 pm

I don’t agree that Tevin caved. He was coached not to change the play more than once. That sounds like he is a very disciplined player. I still believe that Miami’s speed disrupted everything GT did.

mulk

September 24th, 2012
3:13 pm

rambleon84,

Coach Johnson is the same but the guys trying to get that yard are not named Nesbit or Dwyer. One guy hardly ever tackled Nesbit but almost any guy’s arm can, and does, tackle Washington.I’m not blaming Washington but he is not that athletic or strong. And, I’m beginning to question his athletic smarts.

fuzzybee78

September 24th, 2012
3:14 pm

Ken, did I miss an update on Louis Young? Will he be back for Clemson? Also Fred Holton, getting thin at DB.

The New ACC

September 24th, 2012
3:14 pm

Throughout the Miami game I PRAYED for Tech defense to get a 3-and-out. I don’t recall even one during the entire game. Did Miami ever punt?

Sure, there were turnovers by Miami. But, a defense has to be able to stop an offense in order to win a game!

We did not.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
3:15 pm

@ George…I respect that you support GT even through the bad times. Its just not how I am going to handle it. Why would I continue to dump money into a 1960’s loser? Let’s face it. GT should concentrate on academics and dump athletics. They don’t really care. Students don’t really care about the athletics. They just want to make sure they are employed after graduating. Why waste all that money on good facilities for the players and coaches when the outcome doesn’t really matter to anybody of consequence. PJ got his chance at a high profile job and it was an epic failure because GT isn’t a school with athletics in mind.

GTBob

September 24th, 2012
3:15 pm

I mean come on…2 games in OT!

We have lost three of our last 5 games in OT after blowing a late 4th qtr lead. I think we have a right to be critical here. It would be different if we mounted a comeback to tie a game and fell short in the end. Thats not what happens. We seem to choke every game away.

GTFan

September 24th, 2012
3:16 pm

I just think the value is no longer there DR raised the ticket prices as if we were a mayor contender. I was fine paying $35, and expecting those kinds of results. But now he brings an over priced coach, adds contribution categories and gives equal, if not worse, results than Chan. He’s only wining 7.5% more than Chan did, and in four years, he’s already lost to more teams with a loosing record than Chan did in his entire 6 years! Those defending CPJ need to step back. Do you know his record against teams that finish .500 or better is 14-33! Ok, so he can beat the Middle Tennessee’s and Samfords of the world, one (what now looks like) fluke season in 2009 should not excuse you for the rest of your contract. Very disappointed overall. Not even going to go to MTS. Too early, would rather cure my hangover

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
3:17 pm

A New ACC- I recall Golden having one hell of a punt return! That has to be a first!

jj

September 24th, 2012
3:19 pm

No excuse for this sorry play..91 yards in two mins and everyone knowing they would throw to Johnson. What the hell was the defense doing?

Old Blind Dawg

September 24th, 2012
3:20 pm

Obvious UGA fan here so my comments may be taken wrong but here goes………..

Tech fans need to put the academic crutch down. Stanford is every bit as tough as GT and I am confident they would beat GT on any given Saturday. Vandy and Duke are equally tough schools but they attract some pretty good “student athletes”.

Tech fans need to stop with the – “we ran up and down the field” and “nobody can stop our offense” the bottom line is you are losing some winnable games.

Al Groh is a pretty damn good defensive coach – his major fault – insisting on staying with the 3 – 4 when he doesn’t have the personnel to run it. Speed, size and athleticism are paramount if you want to have success in the 3 – 4 and GT doesn’t have much along those lines.

CPJ is a pretty damn good offensive coordinator (notice I didn’t say HC) and his offense maximizes the limited talent he is able to recruit and sign. The problem – can he attract big time talent and continue using the T.O?

The fans need to express their dissatisfaction to the AD and hope he and CPJ can figure out why GT can’t get more good players. Is it the system – the limited curriculum (doubtful) – the coaching staff – lack of effort on the recruiting trail – whatever it is things will not get better without finding answers.

When you look around the ACC and see the talent being stockpiled at VT, Clemson, FSU, N.C. and Miami it should cause you concern.

Bottom line GT needs better players and they need to be more than two deep with talented players. Until then you will just another mid-pack ACC team.

GIVE ME A BREAK

September 24th, 2012
3:22 pm

Proud of these young men playing. My wife and I will be there for MTSU Saturday cheering the Jackets on.

Aberration...or Sign of Things to Come?

September 24th, 2012
3:24 pm

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Tony

September 24th, 2012
3:24 pm

Tech always has a bone-headed penalty at the worst possible time. The penalty on Jabari-Hunt-Days was huge late in the game. That’s not why we lost, but remember what happened last year when Attachou hit Thomas in the head when we were up, only to lose the game. Tech’s 3-4 Defense is not getting it done! We don’t have the personnel to play that defense. Average Q-backs look like Montana when they get five seconds or more to pass. Miami threw 52 times without a sack should tell us something. Good luck Tech!

GTBob

September 24th, 2012
3:28 pm

Stanford is every bit as tough as GT and I am confident they would beat GT on any given Saturday.

I always love the Stanford argument. Stanford is still riding the Andrew Luck and Jim Harbaugh wave. It won’t last. Check their record before Luck became QB. They had 7 losing seasons in a row, including a 1 win season and a 2 win season. If anything they are a good example of how much one really great player can temporarily elevate a program.

JasperJacket

September 24th, 2012
3:28 pm

There is going to have to be a re-alignment in the D coaching staff and recruiting efforts, if Johnson wants to keep his job no doubt about it. McCollum is not the answer as either D Line coach or recruiting co-ordinator and after 5 years of Kelly being on CPJ’s staff the d backs are not progressing agains any significant level of competition. Enough is enough with the out of position, cannot tackle D backs, and absolutely no pass rush against any kind of decent OL from any school. There is not a single kid out there that does not want badly to compete at a much higher level, they deserve a better chance to win than this coaching staff is giving them.

Doug the Jacket

September 24th, 2012
3:30 pm

Our defense obviously does not work. After starting the 2011 season 6-0, GT has been on a slide. Over the last 11 games, the equivalent of an entire season, GT’s record is 4-7, as follows

2011

VA – L
MIAMI – L
CLEMSON – W
VT – L
DUKE – W
UGA – L
UTAH -L
VT – L
PRES – W
VA – W
MIA – L

That’s not a top tier ACC program. It’s bottom feeding, beating Clemson, Duke, Presbyterian and VA in a stretch of 11 games. After watching VA on TV @ TCU – I was amazed to see, again, that they cannot tackle and that is why we beat them so soundly last week. That leaves GT with one quality win in 11 games – Clemson last year and after I saw the way they played FSU Saturday night you can forget the game @ Clemson. It is not going to be pretty.

Other teams are scoring lots of points easily on GT. 2011: VA 24, Miami 24, Clemson 17 (aberration), VT 37, Duke 31 (we only won by 7), UGA 31, Utah 30, 2012: VT 20, Presbyterian 3 (doesn’t count) VA 20, Miami 42. This signals a real problem with out defense. Pull out Presbyterian and the average number of points scored on GT per game, over 10 games is 27.6 per games. That’s too many points on average to give up. Someone this season is going to hang a big one one us, I believe – something that will remind us of the Bill Curry era – say 50 points.

I don’t think Groh can do it, given his record. It’s not the personnel, it’s the defense and inability of the personnel we have to fit into the defense. GT, even it lean years, has been able to play pretty good defense. Certainly, better than this. Something really needs to be done now to plug the hole. If I was CPJ, I’d be looking for a new coordinator right now. Hire him as a consultant and get him on the team now. Otherwise, this could be a very bad, even more disappointing year than it is so far.

ramblingbuzz

September 24th, 2012
3:33 pm

Is Vad Lee the answer? Could be worth a shot to generate some excietment & enthusiasm. Will CPJ give Lee more playing time? Doubtful. CPJ wants a game manager who understands his system and will minimize mistakes & turnovers. That is Tevin. Rember CPJ’s comment a few weeks ago? “The most popular player on every team is the back-up QB”. That should tell everyone advocating Lee at QB what CPJ’s intentions are.

Next question: Will this team leave it all on the field for CPJ and CAG? Based on what I have seen lately, I’d say no. Just as the fans are losing confidence in CPJ and his system, I’d say so are the players. Maybe even more so on the defensive side of the ball with CAG.

dawgfan

September 24th, 2012
3:33 pm

For those keeping score at home, Paul Johnson is now 3-15 vs. the Big 4 (UGA, VT, Miami and the bowl game). Keep your heads up Techies. Maybe one of these decades he’ll figure it out. He is, after all, “the smartest guy in the room.”

And the beat goes on….

mulk

September 24th, 2012
3:36 pm

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collegeballfan

September 24th, 2012
3:37 pm

“Somebody needs to recruit some defensive players.”

328 – 266 – 10 That is the Georgia Tech “won-loss-tie” record since 1960 – 52 years. That is 62 games over .500 over a 52 year period. Average.

Georgia Tech is recruiting just as it has for the past 52 years. It is getting the same quality of players it has had for the past 50 years. Georgia Tech is not a Top 20 program. Georgia Tech is a Top 30 to Top 40 Program.

You are who you are.

HBTD

September 24th, 2012
3:37 pm

It’s those darn honeycombs!

Long Beach Jacket

September 24th, 2012
3:37 pm

I made the trip it from CA to see the game. My first time in the stadium since 2008.
I’m a solid supporter of our team and our players and always look for the positive.
That said – I give the team a C- for Saturday’s performance and the coaching staff an F.

I’ve seen plenty of games in 40+ yrs of following Tech.

You could tell we were in trouble even up 36-19 when we had ABSOLUTELY NO solution
on defense. ZERO pass rush.

I have to tip my cap to the Canes. They looked better prepared, and more motivated (sorry I have to say that but that’s what I saw). The Canes were rallying and jumping up and down the entire 4th Qtr as they rallied and our guys on our sideline looked a bit disinterested. How can you work that hard to get ready to play a college football game and not have some FIRE!

This season is now in the balance. I’ve always felt confident in CPJ but I now have to at least pull back and begin to re-evaluate. Hopefully, we’ll get it fixed and go on a nice run. I want them all to do well.

We also looked sluggish early…but after rallying to go up by 17 in the 3rd Qtr there is NO WAY Tech should lose that game. But they did. The better team won on Saturday and on Saturday the better team was definitely Miami. They earned it.

Even still.. GO JACKETS!

GTBob

September 24th, 2012
3:44 pm

For those keeping score at home, Paul Johnson is now 3-15 vs. the Big 4 (UGA, VT, Miami and the bowl game).

We know headley. You tell us often. I still wonder why Clemson is never good enough to get mentioned.

Teddy Roosevelt

September 24th, 2012
3:51 pm

At this point it is Vad Lee time because we need to start playing for next year. The initial goals for this season have changed, since the ACC title is out of reach. Play Lee, and any other young guys who might see considerable playing time next year, so we can work out any kinks. New goal for this year should be reevaluated to be making it to, and winning, a bowl game, and winning a game up in Athens(a boy can dream.)

HBTD

September 24th, 2012
3:54 pm

Anybody heard the over / under for this weekend’s game against mts??

George Stein

September 24th, 2012
3:56 pm

I don’t totally disagree, Teddy. Plus, the schedule gets tougher next year as FSU comes on. Unfortunately, you can make a compelling case to play for next year and it’s still September.

Eddie Lee

September 24th, 2012
4:04 pm

Previous poster said “GT should concentrate on academics and dump athletics. They don’t really care.” Respectfully, I could not agree less….we have a new basketball center, new tennis center in the works, new indoor football practice facility, top teams in golf, baseball, softball, etc…..GT cares and DRad cares. The fans care too, although some of their posts today are (IMO) have too much misplaced anger. This was a painful loss no doubt. Long list of things to work on and some changes need to be made. Playing Vad Lee would be a good start. Also, no defensive back can defend for 8-9 seconds…we need some defensive pressure. Plenty more…

RambleOn84

September 24th, 2012
4:09 pm

The academic argument is a valid one. Yes, Stanford is a good school as well. Big difference between it and GT is that at Tech every student has to take Calculus II.

And THAT is a MAJOR difference, whether you choose to see it or not. Kids HATE math, because it is very difficult.

At Stanford, kids can hide in a joke of a major (AAS, some other liberal arts crap). Same for all the other top schools in 1A. Heck, UNC makes up classes that players don’t even have to take.

The academics aren’t the ONLY reason we’re losing these games; Johnson has to take credit for the losses as well as the wins.

BUT, the academics is a BIG reason we can’t bring in top talent. Our defensive starting 11 has talent…it’s the depth that separates us from the state schools.

Rob

September 24th, 2012
4:10 pm

The scary part is the hurricanes are mostly made up of freshman and sophomores. They only had 4 seniors playing last game and there best linebacker was out of the game and they still found a way to win that game. Watch out for the canes in a few years cause as those kids develop there gonna be scary good. There recruiting class had 33 players in it. And it was a top ten class.

Pitbull

September 24th, 2012
4:14 pm

Thanks for the post, Doug the Jacket.

Lets face it though. If Tech is 4-7 in its last 11 games and 3 of those 4 wins are against Duke, Presbyterian,and Virginia then Tech really has won only 1 game in the past 11 games. The other 3 do not even qualify as competition.

The Tech program is going down hill and if I were a Tech fan I would be rethinking if Tech should have fired Chan Gailey. Paul Johnson has gone down hill since Chan’s players left.

I do not see what Tech fans see in Johnson. He cannot recruit, his offense does not work unless Tech is playing obvious inferior opposition like Duke or Presbyternian (or Virginia this year), and he is hateful towards his own players.

As a UGA fan I hope he stays at Tech for decades.

Always a Jacket

September 24th, 2012
4:15 pm

Miami is average team with better athletes. Anyone at the game saw Miami defenders beat the blocks. Miami’s OL handled the GT pass rush with ease. GT has a system that gives it a better than even chance of beating teams with similar athletes. But, CPJ’s athletes cannot compete consistantly with LSU, Iowa, UGA, Miami, FSU, and VT. Never will under CPJ. Now that Dabo hired some real coordinators, we can add Clemson to the list.

It appeared that the GT players gave it 100%. So, unfair to blame them.

I will always support GT, but not CPJ. He is paid way too much for the results in last few years.

HBTD

September 24th, 2012
4:16 pm

RambleOn84

September 24th, 2012
4:09 pm

“Kids HATE math, because it is very difficult.”

Hahahahaha! I just fell out of my chair. I’m guessing you did not attend the trade school?

GT Fan

September 24th, 2012
4:19 pm

Old Blind Dawg
September 24th, 2012
3:20 pm
Tech fans need to put the academic crutch down. Stanford is every bit as tough as GT and I am confident they would beat GT on any given Saturday. Vandy and Duke are equally tough schools but they attract some pretty good “student athletes”.
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OBD,
GT is 2-0 vs Stanford the past 2 games they played (both bowl wins). In fact, one W was over an impressive Stanford team that was 9-2 in (2nd, I think, in Pac 10) in the Emerald Bowl in …. San Francisco!
Hasn’t GT beaten Vandy under PJ, and isn’t Duke 0-4 vs. GT under PJ?

Not a crutch, just a FACT:
b/c of academic restrictions (i.e. less schools of study/majors) GT will NEVER be able to recruit/sign the depth of talent like UGA, Bama, AU, Clem, SC, UF, FSU, or UT on a year-in and year-out basis. It just can’t happen. Yeah, there will be the occassional 2007 recruiting class, but those will come, what, every 10-15 years or so?

HBTD

September 24th, 2012
4:19 pm

Pitbull

September 24th, 2012
4:14 pm

As a UGA fan I hope he stays at Tech for decades

I’m with you on that Pitbull.

RambleOn84

September 24th, 2012
4:20 pm

Pitbull,
Johnson is hateful towards his own players? Totally disagree. He gets on to them when they mess up. He should. Do you have children, or teach, or coach? When they mess up, do you say “Aw shucks, it’s okay…” I certainly hope not. Football being the physical, emotional sport that it is, when he corrects his players, it is intense.

As for the recruiting, he is doing just fine when compared to other coaches recently at Tech. Until Tech decides to add joke majors, I don’t think you’ll see this improve much if at all.

Honestly, if you were a guy whose only aspiration is to play in the NFL, would you rather major in business management and have to take a math-heavy courseload, or would you rather major in hotel management?

RambleOn84

September 24th, 2012
4:21 pm

HBTD,
???????

TheUnknownTechFan (Formerly-Old SchoolTechFanatic)

September 24th, 2012
4:22 pm

That was bush league Deffense. If you got to rush 6 people to have a pass rush well then rush 6 people. I’ve lived through the June Jones prevent D’s the falcons had, and this past Saturday was a prime example of that. Not only that even the anouncers said GT was slowing down it’s offense with about 7 minutes left in the game. How much longer are we gonna have to put up with bush leauge coachin.CPJ is getting out coached in just about every game that a team has major college talent. Then we go play a team without much talent and whip up on them and hear how good a job CPJ is doing. You need to beat some top 25 teams more often there coach !!!

Ted

September 24th, 2012
4:24 pm

I think a couple of things are the reason Miami came back in this game. First, Miami’s offensive line handled all of GT’s attempts to get to the quarterback but the main reason is Al Golden was amazed at Miami’s lack of conditioning last year and made that a priority to get the players in better shape. Tech’s 1 – 22 players are better than Miami’s but Tech ran out of gas in the fourth quarter. Are the Canes back, not yet but now the players believe in the system.

Mark

September 24th, 2012
4:25 pm

Ramble is dead on in his assessment. Create a management program in athletics managemnet and drop the calculus and the physics requirement. This would enable CPJ and CAG to recruit some talent. It only takes one or two solid future NFL type players to turn a team into a champion. Look at Auburn minus Cam Newton for example. We need a solid defensive player or two. I don’t think UGA beats Missouri without Jarvis Jones. The coaching staff is solid, just need a quality player or two. BTW I would love to get Giff Smith back at Tech.

Always a Jacket

September 24th, 2012
4:30 pm

All anyone needs to know about the state of GT football is to go to the GT bookstore and see that the jersey numbers for sale are 13 & 17.

Next year maybe the punter’s number will be available. (No offense intended toward kickers)

old dog

September 24th, 2012
4:35 pm

I’ve tried to be supportive of y’all, and we have our problems, too. But whether it is attributed to athletes (or lack thereof,) coaching, 3-4, or whatever y’all’s defense just is not very good. It is not about how long they are on the field, blah blah blah. They just ain’t that good. I hate to say it, because I do pull for y’all except against us. I know about acedemics, etc. But you could bring in a few better defensive players……..

WnE

September 24th, 2012
4:37 pm

re:
Mark
September 24th, 2012
4:25 pm

Ramble is dead on in his assessment. Create a management program in athletics managemnet and drop the calculus and the physics requirement. This would enable CPJ and CAG to recruit some talent. It only takes one or two solid future NFL type players to turn a team into a champion. Look at Auburn minus Cam Newton for example. We need a solid defensive player or two. I don’t think UGA beats Missouri without Jarvis Jones. The coaching staff is solid, just need a quality player or two. BTW I would love to get Giff Smith back at Tech.
__________

More Lies & Propaganda to prop up CPJ.

Here’s the TRUTH:

most of our players major in BUSINESS ADIMN, the Math requirements are:

SURVEY of Calculus, this course is NOT accepted for Credit for Engr. or Sci majors at GT.

Finite Math, this course is NOT accepted for Credit for Engr. or Sci majors at GT.

The Science requirement that most of the Business Admin majors that also play FB take is EARTH & ATMOSPHERIC SCIENCE , not Physics.

The Urban Myths about impossible academics at GT are just that Urban Myths.

The academics card that GT fans play is lame and overused.

blackandwhitestripes

September 24th, 2012
4:38 pm

Mutts lose one game and its fire MR. Give me a break.

Rooty Tooty

September 24th, 2012
4:39 pm

We either learn from the loss and get better or it’s going to be a long long long season. It’s really hard to watch this team play, They take u to the mountain top and then they throw u under the bus…

Chris

September 24th, 2012
4:40 pm

Ken, actually the statistic is much worse. When you consider that GT eats alot of clock with the running game and rarely stopping the clock with passing it blows the mind. I bet this may be an NCAA record for yards per play if you did the research. Also, this was not the result of a 70-0 game. GT had the ball alot.

Dawgfan

September 24th, 2012
4:44 pm

Tech’s problem can be resolved by showing CPJ the door. He is not able to recruit the players he needs to run this offense at GT. Top quality talent wants to go to school to improve their draft status and play in the big bowl games…Neither of these will happen will happen with the current staff.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
4:45 pm

Why does no one mention the fact that our OFFENSE only got 4 1st downs in the last 25 minutes of the game? Talk about putting the defense in a bad spot. By OT, the defense was dead because Tevin can get a 1st down.

Name the new DC

September 24th, 2012
4:51 pm

Its only fair if you are going to keep posting that Groh must go, do this with a name for a logical replacement. Who do you give the job to and why?? Do you really think Tech can land a high profile DC?? This isn’t Bama, USC(west), or Florida… Its Georgia Tech!!

HBTD

September 24th, 2012
4:54 pm

Sounds like the honeymoon is over with PJ and some of you techsters. Y’all need to hang on to that old boy for at least another 20 years.

dawgfan

September 24th, 2012
4:56 pm

“I still wonder why Clemson is never good enough to get mentioned.”

Because they gave up 70 points in a bowl game Bob. Take Advil for headaches.

billybuzz

September 24th, 2012
5:25 pm

All the talk about CPJ hurting us is just crap. Tevin should have had the touchdown in OT. The OL (no 69, I think) did not block a soul. Miami’s #44 went right by him for the stop. One block and we continue to play. It was all day long on offense. The OL is not doing the job.

Item 2 – Missed tackles. We must have missed 30 plus in this game. Miami running backs are world class.

Our team is not fundamentally sound. That fact is obvious to me.

Old Blind Dawg

September 24th, 2012
5:27 pm

Ah GT Fan – GT played Stanford in what 2001 and 1991 – come on man – that was before Stanford became relevant and CPJ was still at GSU. Do you actually think GT could stay on the field with the current Stanford team?

With your “math” and other limitations perhaps GT should just pack it in and join Georgia Sate in the Sun Belt Conference – you will never win the ACC again – NEVER. Oh yeah I’m giving you the one you won that was later vacated – pitiful. You guys keep on making excuses and tallying your yards on the ground.

Guess I wasted bandwidth trying to point out what I see as problems – never mind – enjoy your season.

TheUnknownTechFan (Formerly-Old SchoolTechFanatic)

September 24th, 2012
5:31 pm

billybuzz im sorry there old boy but if we are missing tackles and not fundamenatally sound, is that not the coaches fault. We have an arrogant coach. He finally gave in and got a special team coach.

And what a special team coach he is

September 24th, 2012
5:34 pm

A freaking safety on a kickoff return. I have watched 1,000’s of football games and never ever seen a freaking safety LMAO GO Techsters

IM Major

September 24th, 2012
5:37 pm

Old Blind Dog,
I am a Tech Grad and I totally agree with you. Most of the Tech fans are in denial.

Atlanta Mafia

September 24th, 2012
5:41 pm

Dear Georgia Tech – please take Coach Bill Curry back to your program and get him out of the Georgia Dome. He is KILLING our start-up program at GSU. Sincerely, Your loving neighbor downtown.
P.S. Did I mention that you can have Bill Curry back? What a LOSER he was and is!

GTBob

September 24th, 2012
5:43 pm

Because they gave up 70 points in a bowl game Bob. Take Advil for headaches.

Ah ok. They have a much better record in recent years then Miami, are a much bigger rival for us then Miami but because some other team beat them up they no longer matter. Got it.

TheUnknownTechFan (Formerly-Old SchoolTechFanatic)

September 24th, 2012
5:48 pm

Actually I think GT has upgraded their talent and speed. Do they have the players Clemson and FSU have ? NO ! But I think they can win with what they have. Orwin Smith, Zenon, and Laskey have been looking good, and there are a few others that have contibuted as well. But we need to give VAD a shot.TW has improved since last year but he still does not have that special something that when the game is on the line that you know he will come through (Like Nesbit). The D needs to rush more and use more stunts. Rushing 3 and 4 people most of the time does not work in college football anymore.

michael

September 24th, 2012
5:49 pm

ted roof as d.o., paul johnson as o.f., bobby ross as head coach. if not, hire june jones and wipe the slate clean sending johnson back to the B-league where it was regretably predicted. Make a damn commitment G.T. on whether we win or are bland. no talent what so ever on both sides of the ball translates into no confidence.

Jefferson Davis Hogg

September 24th, 2012
5:58 pm

Although I was badly wrong in predicting a lopsided GT win against Miami I will say this. Can’t figure out why the Jackets tend to surprize all in losing a game like that one every year. Somewhat like my Dawgs which is the reasonI’m getting a little scared of Tennessee. This weekend you win and gain a little confidence back. Next week you guys will score anywhere from 35 to 40 pts on Clemson. I think they’ve given up somewhere in the neighborhood of 120 points in their last 2 big games. Find just a little defense and GT will beat Clemson and you guys will start a roll. We drop one to Tennessee and the talk in Athens will be the same as it is at GT…..Go Dawgs

Al Bundy

September 24th, 2012
5:59 pm

You can analyze all you want but the truth of the matter is we stink. After ripping off 6 wins in a row last year, we have lost 7 games out of the last 11 games. Either our players aren’t very good or our coaches are getting out coached. To hear CPJ tell it, it’s our players fault. That’s a sign of a great coach. I wish someone would hire him away from GT and take Al with him too!

Tech1986

September 24th, 2012
6:08 pm

It is about academics, Jarvis Jones, John Jenkis, and Alec Ogletree, Child and Family development majors. Stephen Truitt, Arts and Letters majors, we have zero majors such as those type and we have a greater math requirement than Algebra that is required at Auburn. Allow Tech to have the Family and Housing Development major and we could compete with some other schools. Just because a guy takes Finite math or earth sciences, he’s taking a hard class than how to change a diaper. We could use a Sports Managment degree program that would attract quality Student Athletes, we could add journalism and include media broadcasting with all the technology involved and we have Turner Broadcating right off campers for internships. We just need to add these types of majors. Also, we need to get someone to teach the DB’s to tackle in the open field.

D-MAN

September 24th, 2012
6:16 pm

First time on this blog,pretty sad! Do you see anybody in the SEC
running this offense. Need more beef to actually run a 3-4! See ya
in Athens bumble bees!

OkieDawg

September 24th, 2012
6:17 pm

Tech1986…Aaron Murray is as bright as most of the guys on Tech’s team. Do you think there is a snowballs chance in Hades that a player of his intelligence and ability would sign with GT and run the triple option? Really? Do you think that? There are 1000s of guys playing D1 that can come to Tech but they are not there. Standford is 4-0 and Northwestern is 4-0.

Listen, GT does not run the TO because they can’t get the atheletes…they can’t get the athletes because they run the TO.

That academics excuse is wearing thin with me.

Wild Bill

September 24th, 2012
6:29 pm

If Groh is around next year I won’t be a season ticket purchaser anymore!

Tech1986

September 24th, 2012
6:34 pm

Our problem is the defense, not the offense, I mentioned defensive players, the TO is just like a spread offense, we run for our 80 yard TD’s not pass. We need the guys with the Big Dumpers, as Beau Bach would say. Of course Aaron Murray would not come to Tech, he would not have come to Tech under Gailey if you want to be a coach, as I said, if we had those types of majors, you neve know, but since the Legislature is a bunch of Bubba’s who are mostly UGA fans , that’s why we can’t get these types. It is not an excuse it’s a fact.

OkieDawg

September 24th, 2012
6:46 pm

Tech1986…17 points against VT is not a problem? The same VT that lost to Pittsburg? The same team that scored 17 points against UGA last year? That offense? It’s not a problem, really?

ramblingFuzz

September 24th, 2012
6:57 pm

Oh my word…I just heard Todd Gurly speak. If I were a UGA fan I would want him to keep his mouth shut. Can you say dumb! But he sure can play bawl.

I'm not Supersize or UOAD - I have a functioning brain

September 24th, 2012
6:58 pm

So I can see beyond the end of my nose & make an intelligent assessment = OkieDawg nailed it. Let me repeat that for you thick skull-ed techies hiding behind the academics = OkieDawg NAILED IT. .

230gr Full Metal Jacket

September 24th, 2012
7:00 pm

Well, I’m not ready to throw CPJ under the bus just yet, but I must say CAG needs to be shown the door. If this were an isolated incident I wouldn’t feel that way, but all too often we witness the exact same thing: the offense scores more than enough points to reasonably win almost any game — but the defense goes to pieces in the 4th quarter (and we all know what happens if we go into overtime!). This is no longer a fluke or an isolated incident — it is a rather obvious and predictable trend, and THAT is unacceptable at any Div-1 program.

Let’s be honest here — you can stick a fork in this season unless your ambition is to go to Shreveport in late December. We have NO real possibility of winning the division. Therefore, it would be logical to sit TW down (not because he has played that bad, but because he is no longer useful to the program in all reality) and start playing some of the younger guys who are the future of the program. Vad, even with some growing pains, is good enough to get us 4 more wins and a trip to some obscure 3rd-tier bowl, which is the best we can hope for at this point. So why not get him on the field and have him seasoned for next season, along with a lot of the other younger guys (Gotsis, Kallon, etc). Why redshirt them, when if they are anywhere near as good as they are reputed to be, they won’t play for GT for more than 3 years anyway?? Okiedawg was right in his earlier post — a lot of folks are blowing things out of proportion and blaming the wrong folks. I mean come on, it IS overtime losses, so no one has been blowing out Tech. However, when those overtime losses occur almost the exact same way in 3 out of 5 consecutive games, there is a systematic problem. I’m sticking with CPJ and trust him to do what needs to be done, but he needs to recognize that the honeymoon is long since over and his rope is getting shorter with every blown opportunity. With a remotely decent defense and a little bit more originality in the play calling (which has become boringly predictable in most situations) we would/should be 4-0 and looking at a good ranking and making reservations for the ACCCG. But we are not, so CPJ has some hard decisions to make, and they need to be made quickly or he will become part of the problem instead of part of the solution, and I don’t want to see that happen.

I’ll be at the game Saturday, and I’ll bleed old gold and white til the day I die — but something has to give here, and fast. Just too many blown chances and wasted opportunities. Good programs take advantage of those. Bad programs become victims of them. Guess which one we currently are??

da catfish

September 24th, 2012
7:04 pm

da catfish has again been fried! Don’t get no better this year, next or the yary after, sorry but GT is what it is; a good Division I-A school and a very good top 25 USA Today High School team!!!!

Hey ramblingfuzz

September 24th, 2012
7:06 pm

Jealousy is a serious character flaw. Tech offered Gurley & GT also offered Marshal who graduated H.S. early. Are you such a looser that you need to denigrate the players that didn’t want to join a lousy football program.

GTpack

September 24th, 2012
7:14 pm

I think this defense should now be named the “Groan” defense. We don’t have the players for the 3-4 defense. When I saw Miami’s OLine had our D Line bunched up and we could not even push them back, much less break through, that tells me we are not strong enough, nor have the skills. No pressure, I can be a great quarterback if you let me stand back there like Morris was able to do.

In 2008, the Jackets won, but had better recruits. CPJ needs to hire a top notch recruiter. Chan Gaily brought in very good recruiting classes for Tech (Nesbitt, Dwyer, Calvin Johnson, M Johnson, Bebe, Vance Walker, Tashard Choice, Phillip Wheeler, Durant Brooks, Dwan Landry and others), but the coaching skills were absent (W44-L32). CPJ took some of those recruits and had some pretty good success with them (Dwyer, Nesbitt, Bebe). know Chan was not exactly Mr. Personality and neither is CPJ, but he must have had something or someone to be able to bring them in. (Was it Gif Smith, who recruited those players?)

I think that is the bottom line. By whatever means Chan was able to get those really good players, CPJ needs to figure it out and quick.

OkieDawg

September 24th, 2012
7:17 pm

ramblingFuzz…I checked Rivals and Scout. Gurley was offered by GT.

Yes, I can say DUMB!!!!

D-MAN

September 24th, 2012
7:18 pm

Oh my word i just heard Gurley speak, what a Dick! Great kid,
just shows what a moron you are!

ramblingFuzz

September 24th, 2012
7:21 pm

OkieDawg…Hey ramblingfuzz….

I could care less if GT offered! The kid is flat out stupid! Listen to him talk. He went to UGA cause he knew he could skate and not study you TROLLS! Can’t fix stupid!

GTpack

September 24th, 2012
7:25 pm

As for majors, how about a major that would help one become an AD? Obviously sports related, but combine business and management side with it as well. Include fundamentals of sports, game planning, recruiting, NCAA rules, the whole ball of wax allowing those students to become coaches or get a start in an Athletic department. Call it Athletic Engineering or whatever. In either case, give an opportunity to those who want to spend their career in athletics a background that will make them successful, if they can’t make it as a Pro. Not everyone wants to be an engineer or just a business major, give them an exciting choice that at the same time provides real value.

Engineers are supposed to be good at finding solutions to problems, Houston, we have a problem!!

ramblingFuzz

September 24th, 2012
7:28 pm

D-Man(LMAO) You must sound like him then! You could barely understand one damn word he said. Go polish the rims on your trailer. They are dirty!

OkieDawg

September 24th, 2012
7:30 pm

GTpack…excellent post. Did you attend Teck?

ramblingFuzz

September 24th, 2012
7:34 pm

Does everyone here understand the”‘Board of Regents” They are all UGA grads. They will never institute a change to allow Tech to be competitive. Just the facts.

HighTech

September 24th, 2012
7:34 pm

HBTD?

POT!

Supersize that order, mutt

September 24th, 2012
7:39 pm

I want to echo what ramblingFuzz just posted at 7:34PM. The Board of Regents is the same board of regents who insisted that UGA have an engineering school, over the objections of the Tech administration as well as many members of the Georgia legislature (some of whom were actually UGA alums). The BOR does what THEY want to do, and everybody else be damned. I live in Augusta, and the BOR has just recently totally ignored a nationwide poll which they paid for with tax money and decreed that the name of the newly merged Medical College of Georgia (which they had already renamed Ga Health Sciences University) and Augusta State University be Georgia Regents University. And they did this in spite of being threatened with a law suit for brand infringement by Regent University in Virginia. So do you really think they will approve any change in curriculum at Tech? HA !!!!

What the Tech loss means in Las Vegas

September 24th, 2012
7:46 pm

The boys on the street in Vegas say MIZZO is a 85:1 chance of winning the MNC> GT is 150:1.

GT 150: 1 chance of winning the MNC and we all know that MIZZO is dirt in the SEC but Tech must be lower than dirt in their sissy, silly lil league. They obviously in Vegas think FAR MORE of hapless MIZZO, their coaching staff, their QB ands their schemes ( even in the SEC) than they do of Tech.

THIS IS WHAT that stomping by Miami means. Tech is going nowhere and fast.

CPJ IS ON the HOT SEAT

WnE

September 24th, 2012
7:54 pm

re:
ramblingFuzz
September 24th, 2012
7:21 pm

OkieDawg…Hey ramblingfuzz….

I could care less if GT offered! The kid is flat out stupid! Listen to him talk. He went to UGA cause he knew he could skate and not study you TROLLS! Can’t fix stupid!
_____________

You might want to listen to an interview with Bey-Bey or Nesbitt or a myriad of other GT SAs, you would be surprised as to how inarticulate they are given GT’s elite Academic environment.

Iman Shumpert, Stephon Marbury, and Kenny Anderson found a way to get into GT and stay eligible for at least one yr. and in Anderson’s case 2.

Be very cautions poking fun at another school’s SA’s academic ability, it is a dangerous slippery slope.

davidinloganville

September 24th, 2012
7:59 pm

hey rumpledfuzz go check out anthony hargrove being interviewed after being suspended from the NFL for the second time, who was doing his calculus?

BLT

September 24th, 2012
8:00 pm

Like many I was at the game. I was discouraged with Tech’s play. First time I’ve ever seen a safety on an attempted KO return. It blew my mind. WOW! That was a 9 to 16 point swing.

Then I saw Tech battle back. I felt good. I figured we would put up some more points (much more than the 17 point lead). WRONG! I saw the coaching attempt not to lose. Terrible idea! Usually when that happens you lose. I remember something different 2 or 3 years ago. Tech would take a chance and roll the dice. We would ramble and gamble! Not anymore, we’ll try and protect a 17 point lead when the opponent could pass or run at will. I remember “death marches” that would run out the clock. I guess that’s a thing of the past. AND if that’s the case Tech is dead in the water.

I take solace in the fact that neither of the loses were blow outs and this team can rebound. With some better defense (OK, a much better defense) we can still salvage this season. I also believe Vad needs to be more of a factor in each and every game…along with Tech’s other speedsters. If a true freshman for Miami can start, why not our frickin’ RS freshmans and sophmores. I keep hearing it takes a long time to learn this offense. I saw TW do 360 degree turns and I doubt that was part of the play. He either forgot the direction of the play or was improvizing. I’m not bashing him but geez…can someone explain those plays?

Too much to rant about…I will say this, last week everyone was stating that we would roll UM. I wanted Tech to do just that but I also afforded UM the respect they deserved. They beat us fair and square. Now it’s time to focus on the rest of the season.

Do not take any team for granted! Plan, Practice, Prepare and Execute! Let’s get after it Yellow Jackets!!!

Tech1986

September 24th, 2012
8:02 pm

Supersize is right, it’s the Board of Regents, we tried in the 80’s to add sports management but some old alumni and BOR prevented it from happening. CPJ has told a few well connected alums if we could get 3-5 million for a sports mgr program, that would help. O’Leary said on 790 in the spring that UCF has close to 100 majors, they have just about any major a kid could want. We need more diverse majors that encompass the Technology side of Tech. Again, it’s about the defense!
One question for all, when a spread passing attack is shut down, what do the experts say? Right defense shut them down. Look at AZ versus Oregon, they had scored about 60 a game firstv2/3 weeks, and then against a superior D, they got shut out, Defense wins championships, we need a defense that can stand somebody up and put them on their butts!

davidinloganville

September 24th, 2012
8:05 pm

how can rumpledfuzz say the BOR are all UGA grads? don’t all UGA grads work for tech grads…

HBTD

September 24th, 2012
8:27 pm

Looks like another pivotal game for the Jackettes this season with Duke for 3rd in the Coastal on November 17th. I’m sure that’ll be a real donnybrook in front of 5,000-10,000 techsters down on the flats. Oh well, maybe your new basketball gymnasium will bring some excitement to another dismal football season. Whatever you do, please make sure you let DRad know that you and all your Dawg friends want PJ back next season. Comedy and laughter is good for the soul. Go Dawgs!

Supersize that order, mutt

September 24th, 2012
8:27 pm

@ davidinloganville…..not in the government or in government appointed positions. Most people in government have degrees from liberal arts universities, not technological institutes.

MC

September 24th, 2012
8:34 pm

RambleOn84 wrote…”.Remember the Paul Johnson all of us Tech fans loved a few years ago? The one who was going to go for it when the game was on the line? What happened to him”?

He left with Chan Gailey’s players.

SugarHillDawg

September 24th, 2012
8:50 pm

Just stew on this techmites, UGA has atleast SIX game changers on D. Jenkins, Jones,Ogletree, Rambo, Herrera and Mitchell. Y’all got NOTHING!!!!!!!!

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OkieDawg

September 24th, 2012
9:19 pm

I actually heard Kenny Anderson on his radio program have the following conversation (paraphased):

Anchor #1: “Kenny, I know you understand the value of going to a great college”.

Kenny: “Yes I do, I was very fortunate to attend GT.”

Anchor #1: “And to consider you were fortunate enough to be at a private school”.

Kenny: “Yes, GT is a great private school with a great education”.

Kenny made over $60 million in documented earnings in the NBA. But is he enjoying that wealth accumulation?

Oh, and I didn’t realize GT was a great private school.

ACADEMICS, my elbow.

Tech is Tech

September 24th, 2012
9:20 pm

Tech is a great school. We NEED good schools with an academic first emphasis. Hey…I’m a dawg, parents, siblings and oldest child went to UGA (both my children took calculus in college, spare me that one). I admire the academic orientation. I love college football and all that, but society is on a slippery slope with the lowest common denominator getting lower each year. I’m a huge fan of UGA and the SEC, but for the most part it’s a league of mercenaries, not kids bleeding the school colors. Like Tech, it is also what it is. Do you really want that?

Tech will eventually replace Johnson and win some games. We’re never going back to the 1950’s, people.

JustinSyder

September 24th, 2012
9:21 pm

SugarHillDawg: Haven’t just about all of those guys been suspended?

GT Jeff

September 24th, 2012
9:27 pm

I am a season ticket holder and put this loss on CPJ for not going for it with two minutes left. You can’t blame anything on the DB’s when you have no pass rush. The comments earlier were dead on when stating you can’t play a 3-4 when you do not have the appropriate personnel.

CPJ was too conservative after he was up 36-19.

I am losing interest in this system we run. I getting to the point that I can call the plays before he runs them.

Really?

September 24th, 2012
10:13 pm

I’m no genius like paul (IMA) johnson, but I think I know the meaning of the trade schools latest humiliating defeat. It means they suck.

yellow britches

September 24th, 2012
10:19 pm

Four games into the season and we are already looking at next year. Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn so long as this lame group of pretenders remains in charge of this wreck. Groh has had his chance with what passes for a defense. His scheme and his personnel are sad. He is sad. Paul Johnson needs to find another service academy to coach. Maybe he can win the Commander in Chief Trophy at the Coast Guard Academy. Tech football matters to perhaps 15,000 poor souls who can’t find something fun to do on a Saturday afternoon. I say, get drunk before the game so you don’t have to watch these clowns. What a pitiful joke. Hey, CPJ, see you at the Poulan Weed Eater Bowl.

yellow britches

September 24th, 2012
10:26 pm

Why waste scholarships on defensive players. Save the money. Just put some orange cones on the field and let the opposing running backs and receivers run around and over them. Would be just as effective and maybe even more fun to watch.

BLT

September 24th, 2012
10:52 pm

I’ve never been trollling for large mouth ass but I’m sure I could catch a boat full of UGA large mouth asses right here on this GT blog. KEEP IT CLASSY UGA FANS…keep the tradition alive! While you are at it please get hit by a truck or shoot yourselves.

I believe one of your faithful was killed running from a bill at wafflehouse last week. Keep those stories coming! It puts everything in perspective. Of course you louts remember the UGA fan that beat up a special needs kid only because he complimented the UGA “fan” for his t-shirt. You guys are all class! Go Dwags!

Go straight to hell ass wipes!

Really?

September 24th, 2012
11:28 pm

BLT why are you so angry and hate filled? I have noticed a decided increase in trade school fans that spew vitrol and threats since paul (IMA) johnson arrived. He seems to enjoy threatening to punch people and coaching players to chop block. You want people to die simply because they don’t pull for the same team as you do. Just when I think the cesspool cpj has created can’t get any filthier, you prove me wrong.

Old

September 25th, 2012
12:10 am

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Old Blind Dawg

September 25th, 2012
12:13 am

Hey BLT get a grip dude – it’s FOOTBALL. Your team is terrible at the moment but really no need to spew such hatred.

Real Jacket

September 25th, 2012
7:24 am

Ken does a good job digging up interesting stats for GT Geeks like me. Thanks Ken. Then I made the mistake of reading the blog comments.

I was at the game Saturday and believe that this was one of the hardest games for me as a fan in recent history. It was like you could see the outcome halfway through the 4th quarter. Tough, but I am not going to give up on this team yet and because of all of the crap that I read here, I am going to go to the Clemson game and I am also going to do what I hate more than anything; suck it up and sit in one of those mutt boxes on the 50 at UGA.

Just when our fans give up like they have we usually win a game that we are not supposed to. I was in Miami a few years ago when they were #4 and 1 and 2 lost that day. We were huge underdogs, and won the game. There were not 500 GT fans there with the exception of us almost getting mugged when we left. It was the greatest experience for me as a fan.

Reg, the founder and glorious leader of the PFJ

September 25th, 2012
8:58 am

C’mon guys! A big Dawg fan here, so listen before you troll me out. You guys got a great heritage, but it is more than that. All of this crap about not being able to compete is a bunch of garbage! You, like every program in America at some time or another, are just going through a rough time right now. Some of it is coaching, some of it is recruiting, some of it is players, and some of it is just dumb luck. A couple of big wins and all of this will go by the wayside. Ok, you may not win the ACC, but the season is still young and there is just too much on the line to sh!tcan the whole year! Get your heads up and be proud of your past AND your future! Hell, at least your not Penn State…

Crazy Robert

September 25th, 2012
9:14 am

I submitted this when Paul was hired, and it keeps coming back to me. I attended the CarQuest bowl in Charlotte when Navy, under PJ, played Boston College. Navy had the lead, the ball and were driving with a little more than a minute left in the fourth quarter. If I remember correctly they were even in FG range, when for some unknown reason PJ called timeout. BC’s defense was on its heels, the clock was running and PJ called a timeout.

When play resumed Navy turned the ball over and BC, with Matt Ryan, drove and scored the winning points. That’s when I became skeptical about PJ and unfortunately I seem to have been correct in my opinion.

DOC 51

September 25th, 2012
9:32 am

Our TRADITION and BOWL GAME HERITAGE IS GONE THANKS TO CPJ AND CCG.DON’T bring up TULSA.CHAN COULD HAVE BEATEN THEM W/ the THIRD STRING.—(0-7)

TornJacket

September 25th, 2012
9:44 am

How many times does Al Groh have to PROVE his defense isn’t suited for Tech? No pash rush and no clutch. The defense has shown this year that they don’t know how to win games. When the game is on the line you kick it into another gear and play smart, unlike what we did in the game. His defense was crap at Virginia and its crap at Tech. We used to have GREAT defense, I mean we won games with Reggie Ball as our QB.

Jim 70

September 25th, 2012
9:52 am

Like Reggie, TW has a lot of heart, but he misses too many reads. Out if the acc race, but vad in, and any put days at safety, he isn’t doing anybody good riding the bench. And lord knows we need help on defense.

Offense is scoring enough points, needs to be better in q4 but the d needs to step up. Do we tire in q4 and not have depth to sub, or is it schemes. PJ needs to take a hard look at Al and the 3-4, but something needs to change.

Oh, we also need to do something in ot. Not only can’t we score, but we can’t stop the other team. Question – has any other team gone two straight ot games without scoring? Or is this a new record?

Jacket Detective

September 25th, 2012
10:04 am

It’s a simple matter.
I do not like our home schedule but went ahead anyway and bought season tickets.
I will just consider that a contribution to Tech until I hear Groh is fired.
I wonder how many millions did Virginia had to pay him to make him go away?
That should have been a huge clue not to hire him.
Did CPJ consider anyone else?
Hire a guy for the personell you have.
Not to provide yourself with a 2 year excuse.
Times up.

Jacket Detective

September 25th, 2012
10:09 am

Savings by staying home: gasoline, food (especially if bought there), and parking.
It is called cutting a loss.
Three OT losses of very winnable games could put in jeopardy my money for basketball season tickets.
Good riddance perhaps?
Seems like Tech has said that to quite a number of folks who have been voting with their feet.

ignition

September 25th, 2012
11:44 am

GT will be find they have to get the players.. And they coming..

Randy Carson, IMGT '83

September 25th, 2012
11:45 am

Interesting to see all Georgia fans chiming in on this thread.

Are you guys actually encouraging us to upgrade our coaching staff and recruit better players?

If we do, we might win a few more games…maybe even beat you from time to time.

Is that what you’re advocating?

Randy Carson, IMGT '83

September 25th, 2012
11:48 am

Maybe it’s time to invest in our future by having Lee start the rest of the season.

Waddya think?

Randy Carson, IMGT '83

September 25th, 2012
11:51 am

Jacket Detective-

Groh was fired by Virginia as head coach…that doesn’t mean he’s not a defensive guru.

I think the error we’ve made on defense is that the 3-4 requires better talent than we’re gonna get for the three down lineman positions. With Alabama’s players…no problem…but, we probably need to be going with four down.

Am I wrong?

GT Man

September 25th, 2012
11:59 am

Our chances of being the ACC champ are over, Georgia will destroy us as usual, Murray will look like a Heisman against Grohs pass defense and again, ( only because there are too many small calipher bowls ) we will wind up in a December small class bowl. Thanks PJ !!!!!!

Reg, the founder and glorious leader of the PFJ

September 25th, 2012
12:14 pm

Hey…no reason to be a hater…and I remember how I felt a couple of years ago when you guys won, and it sucked, but these are kids! No reason to kick THEM when things go wrong. Besides, game is better when we are equal or at least close…hard to feel good about beating someone 10 years straight…We like the challenge and it means more in the bragging rights if the game is consistently competitive (…and it has been pretty much). How great would it be for both of us to be in the top 5 at the end of November…

Jmonty

September 25th, 2012
12:23 pm

@ Randy, yes you are wrong!! The 3-4 does require talented players… In the NFL… In college it can still work. However; with that said… The 3-4 that “no show” runs is a joke. It’s far different than ANY 3-4 I’ve ever seen. It looks more like scare prevent defense added with confusion. The players are not lined up right, they are in position once the play occurs and they dont’ disguise blitz packages (when they do blitz). When you have a team down, you go for the kill… Not play scared and let them come back. I blame “no show” for the loses.. I mean missed tackles happen.. That’s just the nature of the game. However; when players are not remotely where they should be? That opens huge holes in the 3-4 scheme.. Which was very evident in the Miami game. CPJ needs to put his big boy pants on and just fire the idiot. I mean seriously?? What decent High School standout defense player would want to play for “no show”… That would be an automatic no career in the NFL. How many tech defenders went to the NFL with Tenuta?? More than Dummy Groh will ever put in. The team is in serious trouble and CPJ’s willingness to stick with Groh will end up costing both of them thier jobs. If CPJ wants to keep his job, he should seriously think about firing him and quick.

1 4 GT

September 25th, 2012
12:23 pm

Buried my baby brother yesterday. GT lost another game they should have won. I loved my brother. I love GT. Right now, I can say my heart hurts more for my brother. Sorta puts things more in perspective. I don’t have the answers to the problems @ GT anyway. Coaches? Players? Offensive &/or defensive systems? Who knows? I know that back in the 70’s when my brother & I went to some of the games together, there was not an empty seat @ the stadium. More seats to fill too. Less seats to fill now & there are empty seats in all sections. I envision less attendance (20,000 range?) for the next game. Difficult situation for GT right now. A once proud & storied football program, the 1st school in America to play in the Rose, Cotton, Orange & Sugar bowls. Probably 2nd to Notre Dame in national prestige at one time. Where does GT go from here? The people in charge have some hard choices looming. I will support them, not matter what they do. But it makes so sad to see the demise of this once proud program. Selah.

Jmonty

September 25th, 2012
12:29 pm

@ 14 GT… My sympathies for you and your family. I lost a school mate and fellow Marine this past weekend. With losing family and friends, a game seems so distant…

Jacket Attack

September 25th, 2012
12:44 pm

I would hope that most on this blog is not parents, coaches, or educators. If your that willing to bail on your team for a loss then go who cares! You are not here when the staff and the kids need you the most. You have to look at this as a upside. I looked on the clemson blog and yes there is some idiots wanting dabo fired at clemson for losing to flordia state. I will be there Saturday with my Georgia Tech gear on and yelling for the Jackets because there my team. I don’t think there needs to be a coaching change at all, thats just plain crazy. I would like to think that you all will support the team and go from there. I wonder if we finish 10and2 or 9 and 3 is that a bad year? Not with a young team it isnt. Oh yeah If I was a high profile kid coming out of high school and I read this and that trash Mark Bradley who we all know is a jobber and a Georgia Homer writes, then why would I want to come to Ga Tech if I watched the fans turn on me if we lost a game. We can’t win them all guys but we can win more than we lose and the great days will come stay on board and ride the ride i know your going to like it in the end.

Jmonty

September 25th, 2012
12:50 pm

@ Jacket Attack… Support is great.. But, I feel sorry for any kids being coach by “no show”. Not one will get a decent look from the pro scouts.. Not one… “no show” is a blooming idiot. As soon as CPJ fires him, the better GT will get. So, I respectfully disagree. I’m a fan, just like you. But, sometimes you got to call it like it is. I really only foresee a 7 win season. and that isn’t a given.

GTBEE

September 25th, 2012
1:15 pm

The problem is players and depth….not Al Grogh!
UGA runs the exact same system, but they have the personnel to do it right.
If anybody wants to be stupid and say that UGA’s D-coordinator is better than Al Grogh then you are just un-reachable and most likely will vote for Obama in the fall proving your ineptness.

Our defense played all day long with almost no substitutions to rest the key players. Just like the VA Tech game, our defense had rubber legs for the entire 4th qtr and overtime.

If CPJ had just kept on running Laskey up the middle, the clock would have expired and Tech would have the victory. CPJ is too bullheaded to stick with the successful plays that keep us in game and perhaps win us games.

Lastly,
I am sick of seeing CPJ punching kids in the chest or grabbing their jerseys while he berrates them dropping F- bombs with every other word out of his mouth. These poor kids are so afraid of screwing up, that all they just about do is screw up!!

I disagree with the masses……fire CPJ and put Groh over the team. Within two years, we will be signing 4 star talent and sending kids back to the NFL. Groh is a much better coach and I will guarantee that we will at least score in games that go into overtime!!!!!!

TeknocratNOTdemokrat

September 25th, 2012
1:26 pm

I do not doubt the veracity of CPJ or CAG, but they don’t have the tools with which to work. If we had some big uglies on the Oline to block the way the scheme calls for, we’d never lose – this offense, when played correctly, cannot be stopped. On the other side of the ball, we don’t have any big uglies either. I mean BIG uglies, that can stop the run (although they’ve done a better job of it this year – at the expense of a pass protection scheme) – secondary is non-existant (always has been – all the way back post O’Leary). CAG’s nfl D is not going to work for the Yellow JAckets; we don’t have the people to run it effectively. We do not have a smart enough QB to make his own decisions, nor does the O line block effectively, consistently. Not a hater, just stating facts. I love CPJ, I don’t particularly go for CAG’s approach, but to be honest, the 4-3 didn’t work very well either. We have some really exciting players, LAskey, Smith, et al, but nobody like Nesbitt to be the field general…not enough of this, not enough of that. I won’t give up, but it’s not going to be pretty from here on, unless somebody sets a fire under some select butts!

NVAJacketsfan

September 25th, 2012
4:18 pm

You have to put a big part of this on the offense. If they could of had 1 or 2 drives of 5 minutes or over in the second half Miami wouldn’t have had the ball long enough to rack up all that yardage

DIT

September 25th, 2012
4:20 pm

Hang in there tech Faithful. I still say that you beat Clemson AND NO, I don’t drink. You will have 3 loses at most at years end. Your coaches will pull it together. Clemson does not have an answer to your running game as long as CPJ sticks with it. A couple of defensive plays and the confidence is back up.
Y’all are still dangerous!

BigTimeTECHFan

September 25th, 2012
4:41 pm

One thing about Tech, even when they lose they are still awesome.
Upsets do happen in football, and Tech has been upset twice. No big deal, Tech is still the best team in the south, if not the country,
Tech will roll after Clemson game, which I’m calling a toss up, Tech will win out. That includes beating UGA to cap off the season.

Born2Buzz

September 25th, 2012
4:47 pm

I think Al Groh knows how to coach D but he was completely caught off guard by the no huddle from Miami. How is that possible. And what I couldn’t understand (and never have with Groh) was how you have guys on the field that stop Miami on 1st and 2nd down and then you pull them off the field on 3rd down. Hey, Miami threw the ball 52 times, so they were passing on 1st and 2nd down A LOT! Groh just over-thinks things. Leave your best NT & LB in the game on 3rd down. By the end of the 4th Qt the entire D was just spent, maybe from running back and forth to the sideline.

And I think we all agree that the time is NOW to see Vad Lee on the field. TW has been a great kid and is a example of the kind of student-athlete we are all proud to see at Tech, but we know what he can do and what he can’t do. He can’t beat the big boys or win a close game. He’s had 21 games to show us that. Let’s move on to a kid that can at least make the other team worry that he can throw a pass.

Even though we only lost 2 games in OT, it was kind of the same thing we’ve seen for the last 1-1/2 years. The next 3 weeks are a crossroads for CPJ. I don’t know what to thing of CAG, but “bad” and “needs to move on” are what mostly come to mind.

Born2Buzz

September 25th, 2012
4:51 pm

GTBEE, you are delusional.

superDawg

September 25th, 2012
5:03 pm

Man you tekies are a bunch of whiners!

Mike S.

September 25th, 2012
5:17 pm

@GTBEE – I agree that the problem is the talent, but I disagree about Groh. Tenuta was able to recruit just fine and put an aggressive D on the field. Groh is supposed to be a good recruiter, so why is there no indication of talent on the roster?

I think Johnson’s system is the root of the problem. How would anyone properly prepare this team on defense when the best offensive players are option guys? There arent any WRs on this team that can run routes like they do in pro-style or spread systems. The RBs are not as physical as the competition. The QBs cant even dream of simulating the likes of Aaron Murray, Taj Boyd, etc. Thats not even touching the physical nature of many of these offensive lines. Everyone is calling for Groh’s job, but you cant prepare guys without the speed, strength, and athleticism to line them up against.

Mike S.

September 25th, 2012
5:20 pm

@superDawg – unlike the “Dawg Nation” who is so supportive of Mark Richt when he had a couple of down years right? Richt’s the best thing since the Walker days under Dooley, and UGA fans were going to run him out as recent as a year ago.

Mike S.

September 25th, 2012
5:21 pm

I also agree that punting in the 4th is the right call. That’s giving them the game for sure if you dont make it, which many pointed out was the case in OT.

superDawg

September 25th, 2012
6:11 pm

ms I never ever posted a negative post regarding Mark Richt.In fact I have always suppoerted Coach Richt and always will.NUFF SAID!GO GEORGIA BULLDAWGS!!!

superDawg

September 25th, 2012
6:12 pm

and TUCK FECH!

superDawg

September 25th, 2012
6:13 pm

and I spelled TUCK FECH right.

Izzan Cross

September 25th, 2012
9:02 pm

Can I get another triple cheeseburger and supersize the fries so I can be slower and fatter.

mola roller

September 26th, 2012
12:33 pm

I thougt I would never say it but Paul Johnson is in way over his head. He has no clue as to how to fix the problem. In 1-AA he never had a defense at GSU. He could just outscore everyone to win. Against the big boys you cannot do that and PJ has not and will not figure it out. Just don’t renew his contract when it is up and find a decent coach that knows how to win. The whole thing is a farce.

Broom

September 26th, 2012
12:37 pm

Remember, it’s a bunch of teenagers we’re talking about here. Keep some perspective.

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