Could Georgia Tech’s 609-yard meltdown have been an aberration? From one perspective (and probably many others), possibly, but most likely not.
In 2011, there were 22 games between BCS conference opponents in which one team gave up yardage within 25 yards either way of the 609 surrendered by the Yellow Jackets to Miami. Some defenses were torched multiple times, 16 teams in all.
Of those 16, 10 finished 81st or worse in total defense at the end of the 2011 season. The rest were Wisconsin (15th), Arkansas (47th), Oklahoma (55th), Missouri (61st), Clemson (71st) and Purdue (73rd). Tech finished 44th last season at 359.3 yards per game. Those six could be well explained by their opponents.
The opposing offenses, with 2011 rank in total offense, were No. 4 Oregon (vs. Wisconsin), No. 7 Texas A&M (Arkansas), No. 5 Baylor (Oklahoma), No. 12 Oklahoma (Missouri), No. 15 West Virginia (Clemson) and No. 14 Wisconsin (Purdue). It’s a lot of Big 12 offenses and defenses, though in some ways that makes Miami’s 609 number even more concerning. The Hurricanes hadn’t cracked 600 yards since 2000, and that was against McNeese State.
To provide a more apples-to-apples comparison, 10 ACC teams gave up 500 or more yards against in a league game last year – Boston College, Duke (twice), Maryland (four times) and Wake Forest (twice). They finished 70th, 92nd, 108th and 74th, respectively – all worse than Tech.
The point being, if a team gives up 500 yards or more, chances are pretty good that it’s not a fluke. A defense does not give up 609 yards (or 584 in regulation) by accident.
Further, there were few, if any, cheapies that Miami got against the Jackets. Besides the 65-yard pass play from Stephen Morris to Phillip Dorsett at the game’s outset, Miami’s longest play was 32 yards. And the 65-yarder was the product of excellent pass protection and an apparent mistake in the secondary, and not, for instance, a player tripping or running into an official.
(Speaking of which, in his Sunday teleconference, Miami coach Al Golden said that the unsportsmanlike conduct penalty that was called against Miami after an incomplete pass to Jeff Greene on Tech’s first scoring drive was “a sideline infraction.” Golden said that a side judge ran into someone on the Hurricanes sideline. Don’t think I’ve ever seen that before. I digress.)
The tenth team to give up 500-plus yards last year in an ACC game may come as a surprise. Virginia Tech surrendered 519 yards to … Miami. The Hokies finished 10th in the country in total defense despite getting trampled by the Hurricanes in Blacksburg, Va., in a 38-35 Virginia Tech win last October. Two weeks later, Miami gained 262 yards against the Jackets. If you’re looking for a glimmer of hope (if the blog comments are any barometer, I think many of you are looking for something a little pointier than a glimmer), there you have it. That said, Virginia Tech has a wee bit more of a track record than the Jackets do.
Where does that leave Tech? Unless this game does turn out to be the crazy outlier, improving pass rush is the start of a long list. The protection afforded Morris gave Miami’s wide receivers considerable time to work free of pass coverage.
“Part of it was good design, certainly, with (offensive coordinator) Jedd (Fisch) and the offensive coaches,” Golden said Sunday, explaining how Dorsett repeatedly ran free in the secondary. “Part of it was the protection that we were getting up front. Throwing 52 passes and not having a sack is excellent by any measure.”
Thanks for reading.
Ken Sugiura, Georgia Tech blog
186 comments Add your comment
GTBob
September 24th, 2012
5:43 pm
Because they gave up 70 points in a bowl game Bob. Take Advil for headaches.
Ah ok. They have a much better record in recent years then Miami, are a much bigger rival for us then Miami but because some other team beat them up they no longer matter. Got it.
TheUnknownTechFan (Formerly-Old SchoolTechFanatic)
September 24th, 2012
5:48 pm
Actually I think GT has upgraded their talent and speed. Do they have the players Clemson and FSU have ? NO ! But I think they can win with what they have. Orwin Smith, Zenon, and Laskey have been looking good, and there are a few others that have contibuted as well. But we need to give VAD a shot.TW has improved since last year but he still does not have that special something that when the game is on the line that you know he will come through (Like Nesbit). The D needs to rush more and use more stunts. Rushing 3 and 4 people most of the time does not work in college football anymore.
michael
September 24th, 2012
5:49 pm
ted roof as d.o., paul johnson as o.f., bobby ross as head coach. if not, hire june jones and wipe the slate clean sending johnson back to the B-league where it was regretably predicted. Make a damn commitment G.T. on whether we win or are bland. no talent what so ever on both sides of the ball translates into no confidence.
Jefferson Davis Hogg
September 24th, 2012
5:58 pm
Although I was badly wrong in predicting a lopsided GT win against Miami I will say this. Can’t figure out why the Jackets tend to surprize all in losing a game like that one every year. Somewhat like my Dawgs which is the reasonI’m getting a little scared of Tennessee. This weekend you win and gain a little confidence back. Next week you guys will score anywhere from 35 to 40 pts on Clemson. I think they’ve given up somewhere in the neighborhood of 120 points in their last 2 big games. Find just a little defense and GT will beat Clemson and you guys will start a roll. We drop one to Tennessee and the talk in Athens will be the same as it is at GT…..Go Dawgs
Al Bundy
September 24th, 2012
5:59 pm
You can analyze all you want but the truth of the matter is we stink. After ripping off 6 wins in a row last year, we have lost 7 games out of the last 11 games. Either our players aren’t very good or our coaches are getting out coached. To hear CPJ tell it, it’s our players fault. That’s a sign of a great coach. I wish someone would hire him away from GT and take Al with him too!
Tech1986
September 24th, 2012
6:08 pm
It is about academics, Jarvis Jones, John Jenkis, and Alec Ogletree, Child and Family development majors. Stephen Truitt, Arts and Letters majors, we have zero majors such as those type and we have a greater math requirement than Algebra that is required at Auburn. Allow Tech to have the Family and Housing Development major and we could compete with some other schools. Just because a guy takes Finite math or earth sciences, he’s taking a hard class than how to change a diaper. We could use a Sports Managment degree program that would attract quality Student Athletes, we could add journalism and include media broadcasting with all the technology involved and we have Turner Broadcating right off campers for internships. We just need to add these types of majors. Also, we need to get someone to teach the DB’s to tackle in the open field.
D-MAN
September 24th, 2012
6:16 pm
First time on this blog,pretty sad! Do you see anybody in the SEC
running this offense. Need more beef to actually run a 3-4! See ya
in Athens bumble bees!
OkieDawg
September 24th, 2012
6:17 pm
Tech1986…Aaron Murray is as bright as most of the guys on Tech’s team. Do you think there is a snowballs chance in Hades that a player of his intelligence and ability would sign with GT and run the triple option? Really? Do you think that? There are 1000s of guys playing D1 that can come to Tech but they are not there. Standford is 4-0 and Northwestern is 4-0.
Listen, GT does not run the TO because they can’t get the atheletes…they can’t get the athletes because they run the TO.
That academics excuse is wearing thin with me.
Wild Bill
September 24th, 2012
6:29 pm
If Groh is around next year I won’t be a season ticket purchaser anymore!
Tech1986
September 24th, 2012
6:34 pm
Our problem is the defense, not the offense, I mentioned defensive players, the TO is just like a spread offense, we run for our 80 yard TD’s not pass. We need the guys with the Big Dumpers, as Beau Bach would say. Of course Aaron Murray would not come to Tech, he would not have come to Tech under Gailey if you want to be a coach, as I said, if we had those types of majors, you neve know, but since the Legislature is a bunch of Bubba’s who are mostly UGA fans , that’s why we can’t get these types. It is not an excuse it’s a fact.
OkieDawg
September 24th, 2012
6:46 pm
Tech1986…17 points against VT is not a problem? The same VT that lost to Pittsburg? The same team that scored 17 points against UGA last year? That offense? It’s not a problem, really?
ramblingFuzz
September 24th, 2012
6:57 pm
Oh my word…I just heard Todd Gurly speak. If I were a UGA fan I would want him to keep his mouth shut. Can you say dumb! But he sure can play bawl.
I'm not Supersize or UOAD - I have a functioning brain
September 24th, 2012
6:58 pm
So I can see beyond the end of my nose & make an intelligent assessment = OkieDawg nailed it. Let me repeat that for you thick skull-ed techies hiding behind the academics = OkieDawg NAILED IT. .
230gr Full Metal Jacket
September 24th, 2012
7:00 pm
Well, I’m not ready to throw CPJ under the bus just yet, but I must say CAG needs to be shown the door. If this were an isolated incident I wouldn’t feel that way, but all too often we witness the exact same thing: the offense scores more than enough points to reasonably win almost any game — but the defense goes to pieces in the 4th quarter (and we all know what happens if we go into overtime!). This is no longer a fluke or an isolated incident — it is a rather obvious and predictable trend, and THAT is unacceptable at any Div-1 program.
Let’s be honest here — you can stick a fork in this season unless your ambition is to go to Shreveport in late December. We have NO real possibility of winning the division. Therefore, it would be logical to sit TW down (not because he has played that bad, but because he is no longer useful to the program in all reality) and start playing some of the younger guys who are the future of the program. Vad, even with some growing pains, is good enough to get us 4 more wins and a trip to some obscure 3rd-tier bowl, which is the best we can hope for at this point. So why not get him on the field and have him seasoned for next season, along with a lot of the other younger guys (Gotsis, Kallon, etc). Why redshirt them, when if they are anywhere near as good as they are reputed to be, they won’t play for GT for more than 3 years anyway?? Okiedawg was right in his earlier post — a lot of folks are blowing things out of proportion and blaming the wrong folks. I mean come on, it IS overtime losses, so no one has been blowing out Tech. However, when those overtime losses occur almost the exact same way in 3 out of 5 consecutive games, there is a systematic problem. I’m sticking with CPJ and trust him to do what needs to be done, but he needs to recognize that the honeymoon is long since over and his rope is getting shorter with every blown opportunity. With a remotely decent defense and a little bit more originality in the play calling (which has become boringly predictable in most situations) we would/should be 4-0 and looking at a good ranking and making reservations for the ACCCG. But we are not, so CPJ has some hard decisions to make, and they need to be made quickly or he will become part of the problem instead of part of the solution, and I don’t want to see that happen.
I’ll be at the game Saturday, and I’ll bleed old gold and white til the day I die — but something has to give here, and fast. Just too many blown chances and wasted opportunities. Good programs take advantage of those. Bad programs become victims of them. Guess which one we currently are??
da catfish
September 24th, 2012
7:04 pm
da catfish has again been fried! Don’t get no better this year, next or the yary after, sorry but GT is what it is; a good Division I-A school and a very good top 25 USA Today High School team!!!!
Hey ramblingfuzz
September 24th, 2012
7:06 pm
Jealousy is a serious character flaw. Tech offered Gurley & GT also offered Marshal who graduated H.S. early. Are you such a looser that you need to denigrate the players that didn’t want to join a lousy football program.
GTpack
September 24th, 2012
7:14 pm
I think this defense should now be named the “Groan” defense. We don’t have the players for the 3-4 defense. When I saw Miami’s OLine had our D Line bunched up and we could not even push them back, much less break through, that tells me we are not strong enough, nor have the skills. No pressure, I can be a great quarterback if you let me stand back there like Morris was able to do.
In 2008, the Jackets won, but had better recruits. CPJ needs to hire a top notch recruiter. Chan Gaily brought in very good recruiting classes for Tech (Nesbitt, Dwyer, Calvin Johnson, M Johnson, Bebe, Vance Walker, Tashard Choice, Phillip Wheeler, Durant Brooks, Dwan Landry and others), but the coaching skills were absent (W44-L32). CPJ took some of those recruits and had some pretty good success with them (Dwyer, Nesbitt, Bebe). know Chan was not exactly Mr. Personality and neither is CPJ, but he must have had something or someone to be able to bring them in. (Was it Gif Smith, who recruited those players?)
I think that is the bottom line. By whatever means Chan was able to get those really good players, CPJ needs to figure it out and quick.
OkieDawg
September 24th, 2012
7:17 pm
ramblingFuzz…I checked Rivals and Scout. Gurley was offered by GT.
Yes, I can say DUMB!!!!
D-MAN
September 24th, 2012
7:18 pm
Oh my word i just heard Gurley speak, what a Dick! Great kid,
just shows what a moron you are!
ramblingFuzz
September 24th, 2012
7:21 pm
OkieDawg…Hey ramblingfuzz….
I could care less if GT offered! The kid is flat out stupid! Listen to him talk. He went to UGA cause he knew he could skate and not study you TROLLS! Can’t fix stupid!
GTpack
September 24th, 2012
7:25 pm
As for majors, how about a major that would help one become an AD? Obviously sports related, but combine business and management side with it as well. Include fundamentals of sports, game planning, recruiting, NCAA rules, the whole ball of wax allowing those students to become coaches or get a start in an Athletic department. Call it Athletic Engineering or whatever. In either case, give an opportunity to those who want to spend their career in athletics a background that will make them successful, if they can’t make it as a Pro. Not everyone wants to be an engineer or just a business major, give them an exciting choice that at the same time provides real value.
Engineers are supposed to be good at finding solutions to problems, Houston, we have a problem!!
ramblingFuzz
September 24th, 2012
7:28 pm
D-Man(LMAO) You must sound like him then! You could barely understand one damn word he said. Go polish the rims on your trailer. They are dirty!
OkieDawg
September 24th, 2012
7:30 pm
GTpack…excellent post. Did you attend Teck?
ramblingFuzz
September 24th, 2012
7:34 pm
Does everyone here understand the”‘Board of Regents” They are all UGA grads. They will never institute a change to allow Tech to be competitive. Just the facts.
HighTech
September 24th, 2012
7:34 pm
HBTD?
POT!
Supersize that order, mutt
September 24th, 2012
7:39 pm
I want to echo what ramblingFuzz just posted at 7:34PM. The Board of Regents is the same board of regents who insisted that UGA have an engineering school, over the objections of the Tech administration as well as many members of the Georgia legislature (some of whom were actually UGA alums). The BOR does what THEY want to do, and everybody else be damned. I live in Augusta, and the BOR has just recently totally ignored a nationwide poll which they paid for with tax money and decreed that the name of the newly merged Medical College of Georgia (which they had already renamed Ga Health Sciences University) and Augusta State University be Georgia Regents University. And they did this in spite of being threatened with a law suit for brand infringement by Regent University in Virginia. So do you really think they will approve any change in curriculum at Tech? HA !!!!
What the Tech loss means in Las Vegas
September 24th, 2012
7:46 pm
The boys on the street in Vegas say MIZZO is a 85:1 chance of winning the MNC> GT is 150:1.
GT 150: 1 chance of winning the MNC and we all know that MIZZO is dirt in the SEC but Tech must be lower than dirt in their sissy, silly lil league. They obviously in Vegas think FAR MORE of hapless MIZZO, their coaching staff, their QB ands their schemes ( even in the SEC) than they do of Tech.
THIS IS WHAT that stomping by Miami means. Tech is going nowhere and fast.
CPJ IS ON the HOT SEAT
WnE
September 24th, 2012
7:54 pm
re:
ramblingFuzz
September 24th, 2012
7:21 pm
OkieDawg…Hey ramblingfuzz….
I could care less if GT offered! The kid is flat out stupid! Listen to him talk. He went to UGA cause he knew he could skate and not study you TROLLS! Can’t fix stupid!
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You might want to listen to an interview with Bey-Bey or Nesbitt or a myriad of other GT SAs, you would be surprised as to how inarticulate they are given GT’s elite Academic environment.
Iman Shumpert, Stephon Marbury, and Kenny Anderson found a way to get into GT and stay eligible for at least one yr. and in Anderson’s case 2.
Be very cautions poking fun at another school’s SA’s academic ability, it is a dangerous slippery slope.
davidinloganville
September 24th, 2012
7:59 pm
hey rumpledfuzz go check out anthony hargrove being interviewed after being suspended from the NFL for the second time, who was doing his calculus?
BLT
September 24th, 2012
8:00 pm
Like many I was at the game. I was discouraged with Tech’s play. First time I’ve ever seen a safety on an attempted KO return. It blew my mind. WOW! That was a 9 to 16 point swing.
Then I saw Tech battle back. I felt good. I figured we would put up some more points (much more than the 17 point lead). WRONG! I saw the coaching attempt not to lose. Terrible idea! Usually when that happens you lose. I remember something different 2 or 3 years ago. Tech would take a chance and roll the dice. We would ramble and gamble! Not anymore, we’ll try and protect a 17 point lead when the opponent could pass or run at will. I remember “death marches” that would run out the clock. I guess that’s a thing of the past. AND if that’s the case Tech is dead in the water.
I take solace in the fact that neither of the loses were blow outs and this team can rebound. With some better defense (OK, a much better defense) we can still salvage this season. I also believe Vad needs to be more of a factor in each and every game…along with Tech’s other speedsters. If a true freshman for Miami can start, why not our frickin’ RS freshmans and sophmores. I keep hearing it takes a long time to learn this offense. I saw TW do 360 degree turns and I doubt that was part of the play. He either forgot the direction of the play or was improvizing. I’m not bashing him but geez…can someone explain those plays?
Too much to rant about…I will say this, last week everyone was stating that we would roll UM. I wanted Tech to do just that but I also afforded UM the respect they deserved. They beat us fair and square. Now it’s time to focus on the rest of the season.
Do not take any team for granted! Plan, Practice, Prepare and Execute! Let’s get after it Yellow Jackets!!!
Tech1986
September 24th, 2012
8:02 pm
Supersize is right, it’s the Board of Regents, we tried in the 80’s to add sports management but some old alumni and BOR prevented it from happening. CPJ has told a few well connected alums if we could get 3-5 million for a sports mgr program, that would help. O’Leary said on 790 in the spring that UCF has close to 100 majors, they have just about any major a kid could want. We need more diverse majors that encompass the Technology side of Tech. Again, it’s about the defense!
One question for all, when a spread passing attack is shut down, what do the experts say? Right defense shut them down. Look at AZ versus Oregon, they had scored about 60 a game firstv2/3 weeks, and then against a superior D, they got shut out, Defense wins championships, we need a defense that can stand somebody up and put them on their butts!
davidinloganville
September 24th, 2012
8:05 pm
how can rumpledfuzz say the BOR are all UGA grads? don’t all UGA grads work for tech grads…
HBTD
September 24th, 2012
8:27 pm
Looks like another pivotal game for the Jackettes this season with Duke for 3rd in the Coastal on November 17th. I’m sure that’ll be a real donnybrook in front of 5,000-10,000 techsters down on the flats. Oh well, maybe your new basketball gymnasium will bring some excitement to another dismal football season. Whatever you do, please make sure you let DRad know that you and all your Dawg friends want PJ back next season. Comedy and laughter is good for the soul. Go Dawgs!
Supersize that order, mutt
September 24th, 2012
8:27 pm
@ davidinloganville…..not in the government or in government appointed positions. Most people in government have degrees from liberal arts universities, not technological institutes.
MC
September 24th, 2012
8:34 pm
RambleOn84 wrote…”.Remember the Paul Johnson all of us Tech fans loved a few years ago? The one who was going to go for it when the game was on the line? What happened to him”?
He left with Chan Gailey’s players.
SugarHillDawg
September 24th, 2012
8:50 pm
Just stew on this techmites, UGA has atleast SIX game changers on D. Jenkins, Jones,Ogletree, Rambo, Herrera and Mitchell. Y’all got NOTHING!!!!!!!!
Notes: Johnson calls loss ‘my fault’ | Georgia Tech
September 24th, 2012
9:09 pm
[...] The meaning of Tech giving up 609 yards [...]
OkieDawg
September 24th, 2012
9:19 pm
I actually heard Kenny Anderson on his radio program have the following conversation (paraphased):
Anchor #1: “Kenny, I know you understand the value of going to a great college”.
Kenny: “Yes I do, I was very fortunate to attend GT.”
Anchor #1: “And to consider you were fortunate enough to be at a private school”.
Kenny: “Yes, GT is a great private school with a great education”.
Kenny made over $60 million in documented earnings in the NBA. But is he enjoying that wealth accumulation?
Oh, and I didn’t realize GT was a great private school.
ACADEMICS, my elbow.
Tech is Tech
September 24th, 2012
9:20 pm
Tech is a great school. We NEED good schools with an academic first emphasis. Hey…I’m a dawg, parents, siblings and oldest child went to UGA (both my children took calculus in college, spare me that one). I admire the academic orientation. I love college football and all that, but society is on a slippery slope with the lowest common denominator getting lower each year. I’m a huge fan of UGA and the SEC, but for the most part it’s a league of mercenaries, not kids bleeding the school colors. Like Tech, it is also what it is. Do you really want that?
Tech will eventually replace Johnson and win some games. We’re never going back to the 1950’s, people.
JustinSyder
September 24th, 2012
9:21 pm
SugarHillDawg: Haven’t just about all of those guys been suspended?
GT Jeff
September 24th, 2012
9:27 pm
I am a season ticket holder and put this loss on CPJ for not going for it with two minutes left. You can’t blame anything on the DB’s when you have no pass rush. The comments earlier were dead on when stating you can’t play a 3-4 when you do not have the appropriate personnel.
CPJ was too conservative after he was up 36-19.
I am losing interest in this system we run. I getting to the point that I can call the plays before he runs them.
Really?
September 24th, 2012
10:13 pm
I’m no genius like paul (IMA) johnson, but I think I know the meaning of the trade schools latest humiliating defeat. It means they suck.
yellow britches
September 24th, 2012
10:19 pm
Four games into the season and we are already looking at next year. Frankly my dear, I don’t give a damn so long as this lame group of pretenders remains in charge of this wreck. Groh has had his chance with what passes for a defense. His scheme and his personnel are sad. He is sad. Paul Johnson needs to find another service academy to coach. Maybe he can win the Commander in Chief Trophy at the Coast Guard Academy. Tech football matters to perhaps 15,000 poor souls who can’t find something fun to do on a Saturday afternoon. I say, get drunk before the game so you don’t have to watch these clowns. What a pitiful joke. Hey, CPJ, see you at the Poulan Weed Eater Bowl.
yellow britches
September 24th, 2012
10:26 pm
Why waste scholarships on defensive players. Save the money. Just put some orange cones on the field and let the opposing running backs and receivers run around and over them. Would be just as effective and maybe even more fun to watch.
BLT
September 24th, 2012
10:52 pm
I’ve never been trollling for large mouth ass but I’m sure I could catch a boat full of UGA large mouth asses right here on this GT blog. KEEP IT CLASSY UGA FANS…keep the tradition alive! While you are at it please get hit by a truck or shoot yourselves.
I believe one of your faithful was killed running from a bill at wafflehouse last week. Keep those stories coming! It puts everything in perspective. Of course you louts remember the UGA fan that beat up a special needs kid only because he complimented the UGA “fan” for his t-shirt. You guys are all class! Go Dwags!
Go straight to hell ass wipes!
Really?
September 24th, 2012
11:28 pm
BLT why are you so angry and hate filled? I have noticed a decided increase in trade school fans that spew vitrol and threats since paul (IMA) johnson arrived. He seems to enjoy threatening to punch people and coaching players to chop block. You want people to die simply because they don’t pull for the same team as you do. Just when I think the cesspool cpj has created can’t get any filthier, you prove me wrong.
Old
September 25th, 2012
12:10 am
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Old Blind Dawg
September 25th, 2012
12:13 am
Hey BLT get a grip dude – it’s FOOTBALL. Your team is terrible at the moment but really no need to spew such hatred.
Real Jacket
September 25th, 2012
7:24 am
Ken does a good job digging up interesting stats for GT Geeks like me. Thanks Ken. Then I made the mistake of reading the blog comments.
I was at the game Saturday and believe that this was one of the hardest games for me as a fan in recent history. It was like you could see the outcome halfway through the 4th quarter. Tough, but I am not going to give up on this team yet and because of all of the crap that I read here, I am going to go to the Clemson game and I am also going to do what I hate more than anything; suck it up and sit in one of those mutt boxes on the 50 at UGA.
Just when our fans give up like they have we usually win a game that we are not supposed to. I was in Miami a few years ago when they were #4 and 1 and 2 lost that day. We were huge underdogs, and won the game. There were not 500 GT fans there with the exception of us almost getting mugged when we left. It was the greatest experience for me as a fan.
Reg, the founder and glorious leader of the PFJ
September 25th, 2012
8:58 am
C’mon guys! A big Dawg fan here, so listen before you troll me out. You guys got a great heritage, but it is more than that. All of this crap about not being able to compete is a bunch of garbage! You, like every program in America at some time or another, are just going through a rough time right now. Some of it is coaching, some of it is recruiting, some of it is players, and some of it is just dumb luck. A couple of big wins and all of this will go by the wayside. Ok, you may not win the ACC, but the season is still young and there is just too much on the line to sh!tcan the whole year! Get your heads up and be proud of your past AND your future! Hell, at least your not Penn State…