After Miami loss, Tech tries to regroup

Mike Bell 790

September 23rd, 2012
9:20 pm

FIRST!!!!

RochesterJacket

September 23rd, 2012
9:30 pm

Great effort but I didn’t like the way we came out from the start. We still have a lot to play for so we need to keep our heads up and support our Team; good times and bad.

crackbaby

September 23rd, 2012
9:34 pm

One game at a time…. There is still a lot of football left to play.

RochesterJacket

September 23rd, 2012
9:35 pm

After watching FSU and Clemson, CPJ does a great job with the talent he has. It amazes me the talent gap there is among different teams. We better stick with the triple option because there is no way in hell we can run a pro-style offense with the caliber of athletes we can recruit at Tech.

:-( Tech Fan

September 23rd, 2012
9:40 pm

Inconsistant…..no defensive pressure…CPJ should have went for it on 4th down in regulation. If he makes it he wins and if he doesn’t then you have the same results as punting. Miami out played Tech and they out coached Johnson. This is becoming a habit in big games.

:-( Tech Fan

September 23rd, 2012
9:42 pm

I think Tech could recruit for the pro-style because more skilled athelets would want to come to Tech. You don’t get the top recruits for the triple option.

:-( Tech Fan

September 23rd, 2012
9:46 pm

If we can’t recruit talented athelets then we need to get out of the ACC and move to the Sunbelt or C-USA. Maybe even move out of the FBS to the FCS. No, Johnson recruits for this offense and not many 5 star athelets want to be apart of it.

Jacket Fan

September 23rd, 2012
9:47 pm

The errors, and the loss, are on the coaches – nobody else. Adults need to take responsibility for their actions.

Buzz-ard

September 23rd, 2012
9:50 pm

Now that scheming won’t get it done anymore, PJ brings nothing to the table. He’s a very poor leader. High-caliber athletes don’t want to play for him. He won’t make it past next season.

collegeballfan

September 23rd, 2012
10:03 pm

Since 1960 GT is 328 – 266 – 10. This season will be about like those previous 52 seasons.

Since 1960 GT has not been able to consistently recruit the athletic that is recruited by those perennial top 20 teams. Who the coach is does not appear to matter.

RochesterJacket

September 23rd, 2012
10:06 pm

Tech has the same problem as Duke, Wake Forest and other well-respected institutions of higher learning. 5 star players come to college to become better athletes and could care less about becoming better student athletes. That is why you will NEVER see schools like these at the NC level. If Tech creates a major called NFL Development, then we can compete with anyone. Yes, we were able to recruit one or two major recruits but you need ten to be able to compete at a NC level i.e. Alabama.

Buzz-ard

September 23rd, 2012
10:13 pm

Once PJ is gone Tech will be an inferior team for 4-5 years while the new coach tries to recruit in kids who can play against the stronger ACC teams. Rochester Jacket, Tech is not even a real contender for ACC titles anymore, let alone the NC. PJ offered differentiation but the problem is that his way is just different, not better.

GIVE ME A BREAK

September 23rd, 2012
10:23 pm

It’s as simple as 4 and 5 star athletes are faster, bigger and more talented than 2 and 3 star athletes. You could see the difference at the beginning of the game. But GT still should have won the game. Safety was huge mistake as was Tevin not changing the play to counter the defense change. I guess it’s hard to cover every situation. These are still smart and respectable young men and I will continue to support and cheer for them. ” GO JACKETS “

Tech93

September 23rd, 2012
10:29 pm

We can keep being mediocre with CPJ and Al Groh or we can go ahead and give the program a chance to advance in a couple of years. Either way, we will be a 7-5 team for a couple of years. It would be good to know, though, that after a couple of years we might be better. You will never be able to recruit elite players with the triple option. Furthermore, you have to be able to pass the ball in college football today. On defense, running a 3-4 will not work. We do not have the personnel or the depth to do it, especially on the D-line. Tech is becoming a predictably bad football program and it is ashame, because we have the opportunity to be better. I say it is time to change the coaching staff. Recruit Bill O’Brien to tech as head coach and have godsey reunite with him as offensive coordinator. Then hire a good defensive coordinator. It may seem a little far fetched, but it would be a much better direction then we are going in right now.

Depth

September 23rd, 2012
10:30 pm

it goes back to depth–tech has no depth on defense.They wore them out in the first qurter and the long drive late. No subs have developed.

CT_Jacket

September 23rd, 2012
10:33 pm

Unhappy, how many schools run a Pro-Style offense? Alabama, Boise St, California, Colorado, Colorado St, Connecticut, Fresno St, Georgia, Illinois, Iowa, Kentucky, Maryland, Miami, Michigan St, Minnesota, Nebraska, North Carolina, Ole Miss, Pittsburg, Ole Miss, Rutgers, Stanford, Syracuse, Tennessee, Texas A&M, Tulane, USF, UCLA, USC, UVA, VT, Washington and Wisconsin. How many of these teams are getting five star recruits? You think Tech switching to a Pro-Style offense will all of a sudden draw 5-star recruits? Try another argument.

3-4

September 23rd, 2012
10:33 pm

3-4 is hindering tech– they seem better the few times they have tried the 4-3

SavannahJacket

September 23rd, 2012
10:45 pm

Ken – Can you get us an injury update? We saw Will Jackson go out with what appeared to be an ankle injury and the offense wasn’t nearly as sharp. Also Atlachou left with a leg injury during that time that we gave of the last two touchdowns. Any others?

Malcolm Mackey, Jr.

September 23rd, 2012
10:46 pm

Paul Johnson was a defeated man yesterday….the interview with Wes Durham was so bad that they pulled it from Youtube…..perhaps the PE Major from Western Carolina is learning some humility….

CT_Jacket

September 23rd, 2012
10:49 pm

We ran the 4-3 before Groh got here. They never stopped a passing attack either.

List Mama » After Miami loss, Tech tries to regroup – Atlanta Journal Constitution (blog)

September 23rd, 2012
11:03 pm

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5150 UOAD

September 23rd, 2012
11:10 pm

Emmanuel Dieke
Thank you all for the b day wishes. It means a lot to know there real ppl out there. Wish we would have got the win but the greatness if a man is how he bounces back from adversity. Love God, my fam, tea and all on my side! #hungry
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Maybe some Adults can learn something form this young man.

Ga Tech Old Timer

September 23rd, 2012
11:13 pm

Anyone out there wanting to lead another discussion this week about how Tech got screwed over last week when we dropped in the polls??? Ken??

Players and fans need to stop reading the press about 50+ points in the last two games and listening to how good we are / can be / this is our year / we’ve turned a corner.

Prove it on the field against the teams we’ve lost to consistantly – Va. Tech – Miami – Georgia and in bowl games.

It’s the same old story year after year! Any one else at the game besides me notice the excitement and desire in Miami’s team as they jumped up and down on the sideline just prior to the OT – while Tech milled around on their sideline – physically spent and emotionally drained? Where was the leadership throughout the game and going into OT that could / would pick the players up? With only 4 first downs in the last 4 1/2 minutes of the game – don’t you think that the defense was spent – exhausted because they couldn’t rest since the offense was doing all the resting at that point.

Team and coachs – all need to be taken to get ripped for this loss. There was no excuse for what happened! Yes – there were some bright spots and fantastic individual plays for about a quarter and a half – but you can’t ride to glory on the way we played and coached unless we want to drop back to D2.

I’m still waiting for Johnson to think of a different fake 4th down play that might draw the defense off sides – the one he’s been running for 5 years is a joke and hasn’t drawn anybody off sides since the Jacksonville State game in the first season he was here. And to go for a first down on a 4th and 1 at your own 50 on your first position when you have no idea what defenses the other team is running yet as evidenced by zero points well into the second quarter is not only dumb but puts immediate stress on the defense when you don’t make it – which now has become most of the time when playing D1 schools because we call practically the same plays every time – Tevin keeps on a sneak or tosses on a short side sweep. Ever think about trying to hit a short pass or some other play?? Johnson basically has become so predictable the Miami coach had it figured out before the play ran knowing that Tevin can’t / won’t check more than once and what our tendancies are. It was a no brainer for the Miami coach – and really a no brainer for Tech’s coach because that’s what he always does! Blame Tevin for not getting in – no way. The play was doomed. Let’s talk about AG for a minute. Miami is running a hurry up offense but AG still wants to run his personnel in and out – a couple of times causing penalties for too many men on the field. If that wasn’t bad enough – the players were winded and looked to be confused most of the time with all the hurry up substitutions – and still trying to get into their position after the ball had been snapped – and all the running on and off the field only served to tire the players even more. The defensive line got no push into Miami’s backfield to disrupt the flow or pressure the QB. Players at every position were missing tackles – multiple players at a time could not get the runner down. Passes were completed at will most of the time with the few exceptions of a couple interceptions and dropped potential interceptions. The swarming defense of the last couple games mostly left it in the locker room with the exception of a few exceptional plays. And on special teams – how does your punter shank a free kick so it only travels about 30 yards to mid field?

There are a lot of questions that need to be answered after that poor showing Saturday and the answers need to come from the top first and then the players.

I’ve been a loyal Tech fan and staunch supporter since Bobby Dodd coached here and a season ticket holder for many years. I’ll show up next week and cheer for Tech again as I always have. However, there a lot of fans out there that won’t be coming back. Future losses to Clemson and Georgia will insure fewer and fewer season ticket and single ticket sales. And, those losses are about as predictable as Johnson’s play calling. The exciement of a new offense is quickly disappearing because it becomes a dead in the water offense with out line blocking which is what we had Saturday. The excitement of a new defense is quickly disappearing because it’s dead with out a line strong enough or big enough to push into the backfield and players who can’t tackle. The excitement of a new special teams coordinator is quickly disappearing because of poor communication between players that ends up in a safety and a punter that shanks the ball on a free kick with no pressure on him.

All in all – it was a game that emotionally took a roller coaster ride from dispair in the first quarter to hope and pride in the second and third quarters to disbelief, anger, bitterness and frustration in the fourth quarter and OT. It’s time for a gut check for coachs and players. It’s time for all of them to step up and be committed to excellence or find those who can or will be. Unfortunately, it’s also a time for a gut check for Tech’s fan base and new commers as well. An investment in season tickets is not cheap – single game tickets aren’t cheap. All the money spent on travel, rooms to over night and food is not cheap when fans like myself travel long distances to home and away games. Losses are to be expected from time to time – however, constant improvement is to be expected and can / should be demanded. This game was clearly a setback that never should have happened – at any level – coaching, playing, mentally or physically. It did and there needs to be some hard questions asked and straight forward answers given.

Supersize that order, mutt

September 23rd, 2012
11:17 pm

@ Old Timer……I can’t disagree with a thing you said

CT_Jacket

September 23rd, 2012
11:26 pm

OT, summed up my feelings nicely.

RochesterJacket

September 23rd, 2012
11:29 pm

Miami simply has better athletes than Tech. That is why we lost and will continue to lose against superior talent. Scheming only makes the game closer but talent always win out. We must recruit better players and get them to qualify. Imagine if we had guys like #71 from Miami. CAG would look like a genius if we had more players like him.

Wardo

September 23rd, 2012
11:34 pm

Oldtimer, you hit the nail right on the head. Do we accept mediocrity or ask the hard questions and move forward? Personally I would like to see Vad Lee get some time moving forward to remove the excuse of a “rookie” QB next season. Go Jackets!

GSUGT

September 23rd, 2012
11:36 pm

wow…GT Old Timer…you said it all. I’m a huge fan of Coach Johnson and the TO, but there are gonna have to be changes starting next week…I may bring my girls down to see the game…maybe this will finally be the wake up call…new starters and possibly new coaches at the end of the season…you know at Ga Southern,Coach Moncken has been doing some pretty innovative sets with the TO out of the shotgun, not to blame Tevin, but isn’t it obvious we need a new field leader. When it comes to crunch time (right or wrong) he can’t get it done….and maybe for the coaches too.

JustinSyder

September 23rd, 2012
11:41 pm

I know it’s MTSU, but I’m looking foward to see how this team responds. Someone on this team, whether it is Orwin, Tevin, Uzzi, or Skully needs to be a vocal leader. Someone step up. Do what Dwyer did after a big run and just start losing your fricken mind. Do something!!!

Tech Fan

September 24th, 2012
12:06 am

Some of my fellow fans need to step back from the ledge. You can’t really complain about a lack of talent for losing in OT. If Miami has so much more talent, how are we basically even? You also can’t pin this loss on the offense or CPJ. If you score 36 points on 400 yards of offense, then offense is not the problem. Clearly the problem in this game (and most of our losses) is defense. CAG will be in trouble if this does not dramatically improve.

crazyman

September 24th, 2012
12:07 am

vad lee. once he starts we will win. we have never been than mediocre with tw. might as well try it.

Mike Geigerman

September 24th, 2012
12:21 am

Plenty to still play for besides spoiler.. Good game and nice comebcak anyhow. Go Jackets !

stingpower

September 24th, 2012
12:27 am

Old Timer, I couldnt agree with you any more and i couldnt have said that any clearer. However, If you tried to ask any of the coaches your tough questions they wouldnt respond at all. Ill never forget the time i asked CPJ a recruiting question about redshirting. He basically told me to take a long hike and that only the coaches and players would know if they were getting redshirted. It was a general question.

ENGRGT

September 24th, 2012
12:42 am

Old Timer has it right.

Old timer did not specifically say it was an offense only problem or a Tevin only problem. This loss in and of itself is not the problem. The hard part is this is the third overtime loss, with many of the same issues, in 5 games.

Yes the defense did not get the job done in the 4th quarter but neither did the offense. Is this a player problem or a play calling/defensive setup issue? Most likely a litte bit of both.

The offense failed to keep the defense off the field. The defense did play prevent, but AG would have been just has ridiculed if they made yards on blitzes (VT game anyone?).

The game came down to one safety, 5 missed holds on five 3rd and long in the 4th, choosing to play the clock out and minimize the chance for a turnover(good and bad), punting on 4 and 1 when you know the defense is gassed, and 4 and 1 in OT and you do what everyone else is expecting.

I like Paul, I think Tevin has good footwork, I think Vad Lee show significant promise, and I happen to love the tripple option. I wish we could be less predictable, have a little more passing, and can do what it takes to finish a game when we are ahead by more then two scores. My prayers and thoughts go out to the players… I am pulling for you, I will be watching you play come Saturday and I will be yelling for you as loud as I can! (I sure hope you players don’t read these boards!)

ATL Black Jacket

September 24th, 2012
12:54 am

Oh well, guess I’ll have to look forward for next year.

Groh Has To GO (by Captain Obvious)

September 24th, 2012
2:44 am

Bottom Line: To win the ACC today, you have to be able to WIN the close games.

When you have a lead against 2 Div opponents with less than a minute and practically the entire field to go, but Al Groh’s D can’t produce a stop when needed….Well, you end up with 2 OT losses that should have been wins. The teams that win those close games are the ones who will battle it out at the top.

GT isn’t “outmanned” or “outrecruited” in the ACC…Otherwise we would be seeing 35-7 and 28-0 losses. What we are witnessing is CPJ & staff being OUTCOACHED at the end of games. You don’t have to be Einstein to figure that one out. But you do have to be more FLEXIBLE than CPJ and Groh will ever be in order to turn it around. They are both as stubborn as Chan Gailey and that consistently snatches defeat from the jaws of victory in today’s college football when games are routinely decided in the final minutes or even seconds…

609 yds of offense against Groh’s D….Really? According to the AJC, GT has surrendered more yds in only 2 other games in the entire history of GT Football (667 & 610). That’s not merely ineffective or being outplayed or learning a new system — That’s FAILURE on an epic scale!

And as for the O, who didn’t know what Tevin would do on 3rd and 4th downs in OT? If you didn’t, then you haven’t been paying attention.

Perhaps the most disappointing part of this entire chapter of GT Football is the fact that CPJ will NEVER — and I do mean NEVER — admit that failure or defeat is his fault…Also eerily reminiscent of the Chan Gailey days.

CPJ will never admit that hiring Al Groh (after his UVA firing) was a mistake.

CPJ will never admit that his Spread Offense is not really that unique anymore and the mystery has been sufficiently solved on film enough times now that teams no longer “fear” it.

CAG will never admit that his 3-4 D requires an NFL quality NT, which GT will never be able to recruit…And that a simpler 4-3 that kids have played since they were 6 yrs old would be much more effective in today’s college ball.

As long as CPJ and staff remain inflexible and without creativity, GT Football will produce the same results….Win games by blowout against lesser opponents….Lose by 2 TDs or more against superior opponents…Lose close games in the final minutes against similarly talented opponents.

The mere fact that Al Groh was not fired immediately following Sat’s game confirms that the course remains unchanged…..609 yds given up on D?!? So exactly when does one conclude that this man’s 3-4 scheme (scam) is NOT working?

The “Coaching Genius” that was once CPJ was merely a myth…..

Jacket Fan

September 24th, 2012
6:21 am

Did we have any timeouts left when Tevin got stopped at the 1?

Where was Bostic last weekend? He’s been a playmaker all year and I honestly don’t remember seeing him.

How can we win a game when we only pass it 8 times?

John

September 24th, 2012
6:37 am

The football team has become an embarrassment to the Georgia Institute of Technology. Mental lapses, being unprepared… these are not qualities of Georgia Tech.

GT BOB

September 24th, 2012
6:43 am

Time for Johnson to go!

DOC 51

September 24th, 2012
6:45 am

GT may have 20,000 in attendance next Saturday .What happened to CAG’s 3-yr.learning process on defense?Our players can’t tackle,and they are not held accountable each week.Reggie Ball(4-yr.starter)—TW-21/2 yr.starter///.That is lousy coaching period by CCG and CPJ.Nobody has any heart on this team.

Tech Actuary

September 24th, 2012
6:52 am

This was a definitely a fail in many aspects of the game. Our special teams safety fiasco contributed to a massive hole. Our defense has the same problems it has last year: we tackle poorly, we cover poorly, and we can’t pressure the quarterback. Our offense played mostly well until we needed a drive in the 4th to put points on the board and couldn’t move. And the missed block on the 4th down play was horrible.

All of that being said, I’m surprised to see so many tech fans wanting to jump off the Johnson bandwagon. I keep seeing these, “Top athletes don’t want to come to our school because of the scheme” comments and I ask when top athletes ever wanted to come to our school? We don’t get five star recruits. We never have and we never will. Every once in awhile we might score a winner like Calvin Johnson or so but we will never be able to outrecruit the SEC schools in the vicinity as well as Clemson, Florida State or Miami.

Also, the scheme Johnson runs is still primarily successful. Without two epic end of game defensive letdowns we’d be 4-0 right now. We can’t make the clutch plays when we need to. If our defense allows UGA and Clemson to tear us apart I think it will be time for a change at D-Coordinator. I know the head coach is ultimately responsible for all phases of the game but until Tech decides to pony up the cash to bring in a top notch defensive coordinator I think this is going to be our destiny. If our defense was playing even decently last season and this would look very different.

adams 56

September 24th, 2012
6:59 am

Fire Al Groh! How do you blow a 17 point lead? oh yeah, no defense.

WnE

September 24th, 2012
7:00 am

Where’s Florida Jacket?

The guy with the propaganda-based Rumbleseat website that puts forth the most Pro-CPJ drivel that I have ever seen.

All those excuses and crap he was talking about, he hasn’t graced these blogs since “The U” won in OT.

As much as he has questioned ny accurate ANALYSIS, I would have thought that he would show his font around these parts.

I guess we all know what kind of coward he really is.

BTW, the LINE FORMS here:

I am going to make one of these posts for each of the Miami-Game Ken-S blogs so that all my detractors can line up an give me the apologies that I DESERVE.

Much of what has happened to GT Fb the last 2 years was foretold by me right after CPJ was hired in Dec. 2007

CPJ is what I thought he was, but all the OTHER GT fans let him off the hook (not me of course):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYKIcnj1MJY

IM71

September 24th, 2012
7:10 am

The problem is GT as a whole is not committed to big time football. More Liberal Arts Majors and Education Majors would help. Today’s Athlete does not identify with an ‘Institute’. The Hill and the Board of Regents could help. I for one plan to Golf on Saturdays unless something changes at GT. I have been a fan since 1956 and have had it with GT football.

MC

September 24th, 2012
7:16 am

Clemson and Georgia will get ugly. They’ll both hang half a hundred on us. At least.

WnE

September 24th, 2012
7:18 am

Where are all the GT fans that laughed at me when I criticized the CAG hire?

At that time I clearly stated that CAG’s NFL experience meant next to nothing since the NY FB Giants had a great GM named George Young that was good at acquiring TALENT while CAG worked with the Giants.

Well, guess who was RIGHT yet again?

It seems as if hindsight has been treating me a lot better than all of my detractors that muddy up these blogs.

Not a lot of commentary from Supersize. 5150 and the rest of the motley crew.

From reading the many responses this weekend there seems to be LOT of “WnEs” from among the GT Fanbase.

I wonder will High Tech and hid lackeys TRY to run them down the same way they tired to do with, but I stood strong and fought the good fight and told the TRUTH about CPJ & CAG?

Miami had 34 of their 2-deep (44 players) that were 1st or 2nd year players, in other words we probably won’t be able to beat those guys for another 3 years minimum, unless injuries or heavy NCAA sanctions interfere.

Their TALENTED VERY YOUNG players dominated our “diamond-in-the-rough” older players for all those that dismiss the evil Recruiting Rankings.

Where are our Duke Johnson’s or Chickillo(? DE #71, true Soph.), or Erick Flowers, T-FR. OT 6-7 320lbs.?

We brag about the Kallon or the big Aussie ,but our guys are LIGHT years away from their young guys when it comes to RAW TALENT.

BTW, #71-DE, Chickillo(?) was Recruited by GT and it came down to GT or Miami and he chose Miami, so I guess we need to stop playing the Academics card.

Also as far as not playing the Academics card, Tuitt from ND played very well, Wilder-Jr. from FSU played very well, and Keith Marshall from UGA played very well, all those ELITE RECRUITS had the Academics for GT but turned GT DOWN for one reason only…………..CPJ & his gimmicky Triple-SLOPtion Offense.

MC

September 24th, 2012
7:22 am

IM71 is it not obvious now the direction the program is headed under CPJ? Firing Groh does nothing. GT can’t pony up the bucks to hire better. Groh is there to begin with because UVA was paying the ballance of a very large salary and GT was only picking up 260,000.00 or so. GT football is in trouble. Somebody with a brain needs to pick up the phone and call Mike Leach or June Jones. At least bring 21st century football back in style here.

btgt69

September 24th, 2012
7:25 am

Old Timer has it right. I too am sick and tired of traveling from Columbia SC to see this train wreck. Perhaps the “first down whistle” is really a warning signal of a forthcoming wreck. 3-4 and Groh must go. I regret the decision to also buy tickets to MD and saga games. What a waste of my grandkids college funds.

btgt69

September 24th, 2012
7:26 am

sorry not enough coffee yet,, meant uga not saga

WnE

September 24th, 2012
7:27 am

re:
IM71
September 24th, 2012
7:10 am

The problem is GT as a whole is not committed to big time football. More Liberal Arts Majors and Education Majors would help. Today’s Athlete does not identify with an ‘Institute’. The Hill and the Board of Regents could help. I for one plan to Golf on Saturdays unless something changes at GT. I have been a fan since 1956 and have had it with GT football.
____________

Please stop playing the Academics Card!

In recent years many Heisman winners & finalists have been Academic Qualifiers for GT but GT had no shot to get them, the reason is that our FB program is perceived as a small potatoes FB program by elite Recruits.

Tebow Academic Qualifier

Cam Newton Academic Qualifier; laptop drama notwithstanding

RG-III Academic Qualifier

Andrew Luck Academic Qualifier

Russell Wilson Academic Qualifier

Matt Barkely-USCw Academic Qualifier

Academics is not GT’s problem, CPJ being a terrible Recruiter is GT’s problem.

In Recent years every Mutt QB has been an Academic Qualifier for GT:

David Green
DJ Shockley
Matt Stafford
Aaron Murray

If we get any one of those guys we strengthen GT & weaken UGA at the same time.

We don’t have Academic issues, we have an issue closing on Elite Talent with many options other than GT, in many cases GT doesn’t even make those guys final 3 or 4 choices.

MC

September 24th, 2012
7:29 am

What is obvious Groh Has To GO (by Captain Obvious) is that we ARE being outmanned and out recruited on both sides of the ball. Contrast what we have today with what Chan Gailey left Johnson with what we have today. COME ON MAN. It’s plain as the nose on your face. If you don’t think we’re being outmanned by the Clemson’s and FSUs you better go buy a football for dummies book.

WnE

September 24th, 2012
7:34 am

re:
Tech Actuary
September 24th, 2012
6:52 am

This was a definitely a fail in many aspects of the game. Our special teams safety fiasco contributed to a massive hole. Our defense has the same problems it has last year: we tackle poorly, we cover poorly, and we can’t pressure the quarterback. Our offense played mostly well until we needed a drive in the 4th to put points on the board and couldn’t move. And the missed block on the 4th down play was horrible.

All of that being said, I’m surprised to see so many tech fans wanting to jump off the Johnson bandwagon. I keep seeing these, “Top athletes don’t want to come to our school because of the scheme” comments and I ask when top athletes ever wanted to come to our school? We don’t get five star recruits. We never have and we never will. Every once in awhile we might score a winner like Calvin Johnson or so but we will never be able to outrecruit the SEC schools in the vicinity as well as Clemson, Florida State or Miami.

Also, the scheme Johnson runs is still primarily successful. Without two epic end of game defensive letdowns we’d be 4-0 right now. We can’t make the clutch plays when we need to. If our defense allows UGA and Clemson to tear us apart I think it will be time for a change at D-Coordinator. I know the head coach is ultimately responsible for all phases of the game but until Tech decides to pony up the cash to bring in a top notch defensive coordinator I think this is going to be our destiny. If our defense was playing even decently last season and this would look very different.
______________

Ifs & Buts?

I guess IF I had the fame and looks 7 money of George Clooney, then I’d be banging Super-Models.

Pretty weak to say that we are almost 4-0, forty Teams in D1-A could say the same thing.

I guess I really am “almost George Clooney”.

DKG73

September 24th, 2012
7:35 am

Just read all of the comments and opinions. Being a person that subscribes to wisdom being found in the counsel of many, here is the summation of wisdom explored so far: talent in general is not the issue as GT has played competitively in most games(not blown out); the triple option is an effective offensive discipline as 30 plus points a game are being scored; play calling is too predictable and a higher percentage of pass plays is a given; Tevin is a fine young man, a good leader, runs the offense efficiently, but has absolutely achieved his maximum in athletic ability – time to move on to Vad and develop our future; there is talent at the first level on the defense but not at the second level, need more depth; for both the offense and defense, practice needs more passing reps to prepare for teams like Miami; 3/4 or 4/3, without playing aggressive (blitzes, etc.), the results are the same; defensive play calling takes way too long, any hurry up offense will succeed against us. Finally, yes, the 4th down play in trying to draw teams off sides is embarrassing. Every now and then actually run a play as the second A-back goes in motion so this play can be effective in keeping the defense off guard.

WnE

September 24th, 2012
7:40 am

re:
DKG73
September 24th, 2012
7:35 am

Just read all of the comments and opinions. Being a person that subscribes to wisdom being found in the counsel of many, here is the summation of wisdom explored so far: talent in general is not the issue as GT has played competitively in most games(not blown out); the triple option is an effective offensive discipline as 30 plus points a game are being scored; play calling is too predictable and a higher percentage of pass plays is a given; Tevin is a fine young man, a good leader, runs the offense efficiently, but has absolutely achieved his maximum in athletic ability – time to move on to Vad and develop our future; there is talent at the first level on the defense but not at the second level, need more depth; for both the offense and defense, practice needs more passing reps to prepare for teams like Miami; 3/4 or 4/3, without playing aggressive (blitzes, etc.), the results are the same; defensive play calling takes way too long, any hurry up offense will succeed against us. Finally, yes, the 4th down play in trying to draw teams off sides is embarrassing. Every now and then actually run a play as the second A-back goes in motion so this play can be effective in keeping the defense off guard.
_______________

The Triple-SLOPtion scored nothing the last 25 minutes of the Game when Miami dared CPJ to risk a pass and over-played our Running game.

Shouldn’t a genius like CPJ be able to grind the clock down to keep a tired Defense off the field?

BTW one of our 1st downs was on a 3rd & long where there was a questionable call by the Refs after Miami forced an incomplete pass.

Lost Gold

September 24th, 2012
7:42 am

Let’s talk facts. Paul Johnson is 0-4 in bowl games with losses to LSU, Iowa AND Air Force and Utah?? 1-3 against UGA and 1-4 against Virginia Tech and Miami. Reason enough for a new coach to me. Never should have hired Al Groh!!

ramblingbuzz

September 24th, 2012
7:49 am

“We made way too many errors in all three facets of the game,” coach Paul Johnson said Saturday.
Uhhh…….Coaches, Coaches, Coaches? This is your team. GT has been making too many errors in every game they have playd for the past 2 years according to CPJ. It is the coaches’ job to MINIMIZE the errors, not keep articulating them. Are you saying our players are not teachable, or are they being taught the wrong things? The buck has to stop somewhere.

GT71

September 24th, 2012
7:50 am

STOP IT! Just stop all this defeatist chatter. GT is simply GT and is NOT a football mill supplying athletes to professional sports. Oh, there are always a few – a very few – who are pro-type players, but GT is a school that produces engineers, scientists and managers. These kids know that and the ones who want FOOTBALL for life will not and never have come here – at least not in the numbers that produce NCs. That’s why there is an SEC. Are we Vanderbilt? No. Vandy has class within the SEC structure not because they win, but because they play hard, lose and go back to work being good students and soon-to-be doctors, engineers, etc. Those aspiring athletes who want FOOTBALL go to UT, Bama or UGA.
It’s the same in basketball, but not as evident as with a team of 10, 2 really good players can ‘make’ a team. 2 Great players on a football squad means practically nothing.
So enjoy the day. Enjoy the camaraderie. Have a toddy before the game and reminiscence about the ‘good old days’, but don’t let your life be influenced by a GAME. It wasn’t that important when you climbed the Hill every day back in the day and it just ain’t that big a deal now.
College sports changed – perhaps forever – in the early ’60s. You can’t turn the clock back.
So go ahead and tail-gate, whoop and holler: sing the songs. At the end of the day, you’ll go back to real life – where you DO make a difference.

Canes Fan

September 24th, 2012
8:03 am

There was no way Chickillo(#71 for Miami) was going to Ga Tech. He’s a 3rd generation Hurricane. His Grandfather played for UM and his father did too. So it really didn’t matter who was in his finally two schools of chioce, there was no doubt he was going to UM. His nickname has been 3G(3rd Generation Cane) since high school. And Miami is also a private school, so it is hard for them to get players too. Why do you think most of the top talent from Fla go to other schools.

DOC 51

September 24th, 2012
8:03 am

I love CPJ’s postgame accountability(It wasn’t meant to be)–(They made more plays than we did)——WOW !!! Shutdown this football program! The coaches and players disrespect the game of football by the way they perform on Saturdays. This attitude is unacceptable!

alex

September 24th, 2012
8:05 am

you can talk defense or offense or schemes or academics, but there is NO excuse for a poorly conditioned team and the Jackets had run out of gas by the end of the 3rd quarter and were gassed on a hot day. The hurricanes took it to them and they had NOTHING left,plain and simple….

reebok

September 24th, 2012
8:07 am

We are not a very good team. We have smart coaches, good facilities, and average talent. We can beat the bad teams and play tough against the good teams, but basically we are an average program. That translates to 7-5 and a minor bowl game every year. And I don’t see how that’s going to change.

gt4ever

September 24th, 2012
8:18 am

I think I am going to PUKE when I see that 4th down make em jump off sides crap… LOL

papadawg

September 24th, 2012
8:18 am

RIP GT Football. Go Dawgs!

If this is true...

September 24th, 2012
8:21 am

…”5 star players come to college to become better athletes and could care less about becoming better student athletes. That is why you will NEVER see schools like these at the NC level.”, then how do you explain Stanford, Baylor, and TCU?

NtheNo

September 24th, 2012
8:23 am

Two games go to OT – you’ve got to split. Getting to OT the way it happened and losing the way it happened BOTH times is telling. Also, the one check down limit might have cost the game.

Joel Cote

September 24th, 2012
8:24 am

52 pass attempts with out a sack says it all–reinforced by a secondary that can’t cover or tackle–Number 4 was a disgrace to the uniform!

papadawg

September 24th, 2012
8:28 am

I thought GT fans were the smartest. Your coach came in and won with another guys players then as they left he showed he couldn’t recruit the star kids because his offense sucks.

Hold On!!!

September 24th, 2012
8:31 am

Yall need a lot more depth on D. We all know yall will put up points against mediocre teams, but struggle against better defensive teams. I def think yall need to change things……maybe at the top of the program, or maybe just yalls scheme. I have said from day 1 that Johnson would not take yall to the elite. If yall do get a new coach, yall could swith to the spread offense pretty easily. Vad Lee ran it in high school and yall have enough skill playuers to make the transition.

DIT

September 24th, 2012
8:32 am

Guys, sorry about the loss on Saturday. I still believe that Gt is only a good QB and DC away from being a great team. It’s a shame that your defense puts so much pressure on your offense to have to score every time. When y’all can average 300+ yards rushing every year, imagine a QB that can pass to go along with that. It would be scary.
Just need to find a DC that only averages giving up 20 points a game. With y’alls offense you would see many more ACC Championship games. Keep your heads up guys. The season is not lost!

GT Fan Since 56

September 24th, 2012
8:34 am

I continue to get a laugh when bloggrs say PJ gets a pass because the offense was okay, that AG is the problem, or maybe the lask of quality players, or depth is the problem. PJ is NOT the offensive coordinator, guys, he is the HEAD COACH. ALL those issues are HIS issues. And in spite of the gaudy offensive numbers, his play calling in crunch time really is terrible. I promise you, even with his contract, his chair is getting warmer by the day, and when he is fired (whether it’s this year, next year, or whenever) this will be the game that people point to as the beginning of the end.

GT

September 24th, 2012
8:44 am

We shut it down the second half, both defensively and offensely. But this is by far a loss program, what Vandy did the other night is a loss program.

I am glad Johnson was hurting after that game, he knows he loss it, but he also had us in it to lose. He won’t lose too many, and Miami is better than advertise and Kansas State beat OK which had people wondering about this team losing to KSU. Golden is one of the best young coaches in the country. He has a mess at Miami but he gets the talent anyway. Excellent balanced attack and some great talent on defense. Maybe a year away but the FSU game should be interesting.

Beat UGA

September 24th, 2012
8:45 am

Going for it on 4th down at the 50 in the first series was incredible stupid, it cost us the game. That is at least two such mistakes so far this season.

Freddie Blassie

September 24th, 2012
8:46 am

Georgia Tech hung 36 points on Miami: does anyone dispute that 36 offensive points should win any ball game?
I didn’t see Al Groh or Paul Johnson miss one tackle all day long. Tevin screwed up on the fourth down play in overtime. The safety was not the returner’s fault, it was the guy who threw up the stop sign. Missed tackles, and I mean missed, whiffed, diving at the feet tackles caused much of the damage with a lack of pass rush or any pressure on the quarterback sealing the deal.

Paul Johnson is the coach and he is one of the best. Despite the histrionics by some of you old timers, he is going to be the coach for a long time if Tech is lucky.

This loss is the players’ fault. They can start bitching and whining and pointing fingers and act like you people and make this the worst season since Bobby Ross’s first year or they can suck up their guts and work harder and correct their mistakes. When these kids are forty years old, and someone asks them what kind of team Tech had when they played, nobody is going to give a rat’s butt when they hear: “We would’ve been really good but the coaches wouldn’t let us.”

DOC 51

September 24th, 2012
8:47 am

DEFENSE WINS NATIONAL TITLES.GT AND Clemson won’t win another one because of this.Even FSU doesn’t play shutdown defense as in past yrs.The ACC is so weak.ACC teams melt in big games because they can’t man up and play defense.

uafuneman

September 24th, 2012
8:52 am

DOC51, you hit the nail on the head. I’ve been trying to tell people that CPJ can recruit 2 & 3 star athletes on offense and do well against most teams but you can not get by with 2 & 3 stars on defense, you have to have some big time studs. Tech thinks they do until they play the big boys then they find out the truth.

Always a Jacket

September 24th, 2012
8:53 am

DRAD thought he could hire a coach that would win with less due to the recruiting challenges at GT. He bet wrong. First get a new AD. Focus on Football and stop building minor sport facilities.
I attended my last game this season. Other than Mid Tenn, Duke and BC, wins will be difficult. This is not acceptable in year 5 of PJ’s tenure. And, there is no hope on the horizon. If only we had a true AD like Homer Rice and not a construction manager. Who would have thought Dabo was a better hire?

Steverino

September 24th, 2012
8:54 am

Objective(s) remaining: Beat MTSU, after which you focus on the next objective (game). A teams goal should be to win every game they play…NOT an undefeated season.

DOC 51

September 24th, 2012
8:58 am

CPJ hasn’t played defense anywhere he has been.GSU AND NAVY just outscored mainly creampuff teams.He should be in CAG’s face about this defense.They both get outcoached in every big game.TW and O.SMITH can’t make game changing plays in big games.

Alphare

September 24th, 2012
9:02 am

Academics are not the issue, if they are, Stanford and ND won’t be good either.

It’s the head coach that matters. Saban/Harbough on one side, Shula/Dooley on the other.

From his talk, I don’t think PJ is not very smart. He cannot even be self-consistent with his recruiting policies.

WnE

September 24th, 2012
9:03 am

re:
GT71
September 24th, 2012
7:50 am

STOP IT! Just stop all this defeatist chatter. GT is simply GT and is NOT a football mill supplying athletes to professional sports. Oh, there are always a few – a very few – who are pro-type players, but GT is a school that produces engineers, scientists and managers. These kids know that and the ones who want FOOTBALL for life will not and never have come here – at least not in the numbers that produce NCs. That’s why there is an SEC. Are we Vanderbilt? No. Vandy has class within the SEC structure not because they win, but because they play hard, lose and go back to work being good students and soon-to-be doctors, engineers, etc. Those aspiring athletes who want FOOTBALL go to UT, Bama or UGA.
It’s the same in basketball, but not as evident as with a team of 10, 2 really good players can ‘make’ a team. 2 Great players on a football squad means practically nothing.
So enjoy the day. Enjoy the camaraderie. Have a toddy before the game and reminiscence about the ‘good old days’, but don’t let your life be influenced by a GAME. It wasn’t that important when you climbed the Hill every day back in the day and it just ain’t that big a deal now.
College sports changed – perhaps forever – in the early ’60s. You can’t turn the clock back.
So go ahead and tail-gate, whoop and holler: sing the songs. At the end of the day, you’ll go back to real life – where you DO make a difference.
_______________

Stop making weak excuses!

BOTH Quincy Carter & Pac-Man Jones were Academic Qualifiers for GT and the only reason they didn’t sign with GT is that they changed their minds at the last minute,
Jones went to WVa. and Carter opted for Minor League Baseball.

GT was able to get Stephon Marbury, Kenny Anderson, Dennis Scott, and Iman Shumpert in to school.

Please stop acting as if our Academics are so elite that we cannot compete in Big-Time Revenue Sports on the D1-A Level.

Alphare

September 24th, 2012
9:04 am

Bobby Ross and Georgia O’Leary got it done not too long ago.

DOC 51

September 24th, 2012
9:05 am

MTSU—–500 YDS.T.Offense CLEMSON—-700 YDS.T.Offense UGA—-800 YDS.T.Offense GT might win 6 games because our league is so lousy.

GT is a 4th rate High School Team

September 24th, 2012
9:09 am

@ Beat UGA, HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAHAHAHA, CHANGE THE NAME, YOU ARE TOO DELUSIONAL.

ramblingbuzz

September 24th, 2012
9:10 am

I do not expect GT to compete in the SEC. I do not expect GT to win every game in the ACC. I know CPJ isn’t going anywhere for a while. But……..as a fan I do expect to see improvement as the year progresses, I do not expect to see the team making the same mistakes in each game, and I do expect the coaches to change things up if their play calls and schemes are not working against a particular opponent. The fact that we are hanging close with the better teams in the ACC says we have the potential to be a better than average ACC team. But it is apparent to me, and I think to most GT fans, that we are not going to win ACC Division titles or championships with the same approach the coaches have been using for the past 2 years. If we don’t want to be competetive in the ACC and can’t recruit with Clemson, UNC, Wake, NC St., & the other teams in our league, let’s play FCS ball and forget about the GT sports leagacy. Yes GT is a tough academic school and no their aren’t any majors where the players can coast academically. But let’s either strive for the top, or quit competing. To keep playing FBS football and making the same tired excuses for being an average team is pathetic.

JB

September 24th, 2012
9:10 am

Jackets just don’t have the defensive talent to stop ANY team with athletes. And little to no depth on defense. The offense does work , even with recruiting rankings in the mid 40’s or so…..but you gotta stop someone and get them off the field….and there is Tech’s problem.

TechApp fan

September 24th, 2012
9:13 am

Last game is over…cannot change.
With TW, we all seem to know what might happen.
With VL, we do not know. I’d like to see what could happen.

ty webb

September 24th, 2012
9:14 am

“academics” is to tech fans as “inherited” is to Obama.

Too Easy

September 24th, 2012
9:15 am

WnE

Stop saying “we” and “our”. Everyone knows your shtick by now. Your nothing but a dwag troll and everyone on the blogs knows it. Why are you too much of a chicken shi% to admit it?

UGA = Yawn

September 24th, 2012
9:16 am

Nothing, absolutely nothing, can take the sting away from me being in the stands Saturday to witness that mess. I could care less for the next 8 games and assume the players will feel the same way. If they can’t concentrate every minute of a game against Miami, how can they motivate themselves in the next games? Sure, for a quarter or two they will do good in some games, but Tech never can play 60 minutes of intense football! We get up by 17 and we go in ‘play not to lose mode’. What!? or should I say WTF?! We are not Bama. Play like your pants are on fire every second. And stop waving your hands to get the crowd into the game. Do something on the field and we will be. And get ready on defense and on the line for the teams that play hurry-up. You are sooo slow to the line! Just awful. We do stink I think. When does basketball season start? Clemson? No chance.

dry dirt road

September 24th, 2012
9:17 am

Tech lost to Miami because they did not wear the white Moon helmets. Now the US has walked on the Moon and Tech drops the white helmets, preferring to wear the gold ones. Tech has/had a grad who walked on the Moon. He is or was(deceased?) white, so maybe the majority of Tech players felt the white race should wear the white helmets, but most of the team is black. Well, how about Eddie McAshan(McShan) wearing the original white helmets as the starting cube(qb) in the ‘71-2 seasons, wearing them for every game against any opponent. You know, I heard where the Tech grad who walked on the Moon put a Georgia Tech pennant on the Moon and left it there. Tech has had many astronauts since the Moon walk one, and all of them are white, just about. I think there’s maybe one black female astronaut from Tech now, but maybe I’m wrong. I think I saw her in a Tech Topics Alum Mag recently. I personally, as a Tech grad from the white helmet years of ‘71-2, really got behind this year’s white helmets that looked like a white Moon. So I recommend that Tech drop the race card, if that’s the one played in the decision making about what helmets to wear, and get back to the white helmets lickety split.

Groh Has To GO (by Captain Obvious)

September 24th, 2012
9:19 am

MC:

We went into Blacksburg for a nationally televised game which also happened to be the FIRST game of the year. We had a lead with less than a minute to play in reg and they had the ball deep in their own territory (25 yd line if I recall). That is not being out-manned or out-recruited. It’s being in position to WIN the game if your coaches are not out-schemed and out-coached.

We had a TD lead over Miami with less than a minute to play and they had the ball on their own 9 yd line after we ripped off 36 unanswered points in the 2nd & 3rd qtrs. That is not being out-manned or out-recruited. It’s being in position to WIN the game if your coaches are not out-schemed and out-coached.

One of those teams is now the favorite to win the Coastal. What cost us those games was poor defensive schemes and poor execution, specifically late in the game. Ever since Groh brought this failure of a 3-4 to The Flats, I’ve watched kids be consistently confused about where they’re supposed to be and what they’re supposed to do on the field. This is deadly in the final minute of a game where those who are clueless are exploited.

CPJ & CAG are recruiting the exact players they want for the types of offense and defense they run (with the exception of an NFL quality NT, which GT will NEVER land). It’s not the players that are being recruited and signed that are the problem. We have some genuinely GREAT athletes on this team. The problem is the quirky offense and quirky defense each of these coaches employ. We don’t even pursue pro-style offensive playmakers because of CPJ’s offense. And CAG’s overly-complicated defensive scheme that requires 2 or 3 YEARS to learn is obviously a SCAM. By the time half of the players start understanding it, they’re gone.

When run against lesser opponents, the O looks unstoppable and the D look like NFL players. But seasoned coaches who prepare adequately for GT know where the holes are and they make the most of them on both sides of the ball. CPJ isn’t coaching at GSU or Navy anymore.

As someone else said, WHERE’S BJ BOSTIC?????? He’s off the chain whenever he touches the ball. Poor coaches/coaching keeps the ball out of his hands. That’s not poor recruiting.

CPJ strikes me as the kind of guy who is “hands-off” & “my way or the highway”…In other words, he’s unaccountable by design. “This is my scheme. This is what we run here. We don’t change it for anyone. If you want to play here, this is what you do. We will play this way until the end of time. If you don’t perform, then it’s YOUR fault”

CPJ was UNABLE to produce success at Special Teams and unwilling to recognize the importance of that segment of the game until the Debacle at Beautiful Shreveport hammered it into his thick skull that he needed a Special Teams Coach. Before that, he just “expected” Special Teams to perform successfully.

Hopefully this is the kind of game that FORCES CPJ to make some changes that he has also resisted for decades. If not, then it is what it is and that’s what it will forever be…..Until he’s fired.

GT-06

September 24th, 2012
9:21 am

I still think PJ is the right coach and his offense will be fine with Vad running the show. Tevin is just not good enough to beat talented teams. Nesbitt was always able to get 2yrds whenever needed and keep drives going in the 4th Quarter. Tevin has ton of heart, just not talent.

As for defense, we simply are terrible. I think it’s time for Andy McCollum to go. He’s our recruiting coordinator and he has not kept us on par with Giff Smith’s recruiting efforts. If our basketball, baseball, and golf teams are able to out recruit most schools in our region then why not our football. If not out recruit then just get decent enough players and coach them up. Andy McCollum has done neither. We need a young energetic guy to recruit and develop players.

I think PJ should take a page out Gregory’s book and connect with old Tech football players. We’re sadly back to Gailey days.

GT-06

September 24th, 2012
9:25 am

And stop with this “we will NEVER land a top player”. That’s B$. We just need a right recruiter to do so. Vandy is getting many 4* players in football, why can’t we? We recruit just fine when it comes to basketball, baseball, golf, etc. I don’t see any reason why that can’t happen in football (for defense at least). We just need the right recruiter.

gt4ever

September 24th, 2012
9:28 am

@Freddie Blassie

If Paul Johnson is one of the best coaches in your opinion, then your bar is NOT to high… The talent level on his watch has done nothing but go DOWN… Give me a break, even a middle school athlete can see this to be true… Here is hoping that Tech is NOT that lucky to have him around for a long time.

Animal Control

September 24th, 2012
9:29 am

It makes me sick to my stomach to watch the decline of this program. Instead of getting progressively better we are getting worse, and still playing mediocre ball. Not to mention how terrible the uniforms look because the “players like them”. Well clearly they are more concerned about their uniform appearance rather than how they look on the field. Keep the traditional white and gold uniforms and stop with all the trickery and play some real football! Its that simple…just not atTech I guess.

Jeff

September 24th, 2012
9:31 am

How is it that Tech scored 36 unanswered points as the writer asserts? It’s clear to me Miami answered with 23 points.

AntoineFord

September 24th, 2012
9:40 am

The athletic program has fallen on dark days thanks to D-Rad. Probably the worst basketball season we’ve had in 30 years and looking like another poor year on the gridiron.

blazer

September 24th, 2012
9:41 am

Please develop a short passing game and or offense would be great. We do not have the guyes to play a 3-4 defense!! Groh please retire!

dawgfan

September 24th, 2012
9:41 am

Oh wow. Just saw where Miami’s QB ripped the laughable Tech defense for 430 yards passing. LOL. I really don’t think you Tech fans understand just how bad your defense is. Its bad. Really really bad. There are no quick fixes for this lot. I know you Techies are big on “ifs” and “buts” and think there’s some magic bullet tweak that can fix everything, but the only thing that will fix this defense is the extinction of the game of football. If you played in a real league you’d be fighting like mad for bowl eligibility every year. True story.

Thanks.

Eddie Lee

September 24th, 2012
9:42 am

Did anyone notice after the game last week as the coaches shook hands…Golden trotted over and said something to CAG and then ran off to celebrate. CAG stood and stared at him for a long time as he ran away, his mouth hanging wide open….I wonder what Golden said to him. Had to have been more than “thanks Al”.

Really discouraged after the loss. Will always cheer for the jackets but left feeling Saturday (as others have pointed out) that i just spent nearly a whole day and a lot of money (tickets, bookstore, etc). Hard even for this life-long fan to commit to coming back next week.

One thing that Beau Bock said recently on a show was that he was, in effect, waiting for the triple option to fail…he said he saw this happen during the Pepper Rodgers days, where fans lost interest in and began to blame the style of play. And when I think back I can see some similarities in these teams…Pepper beat ND, SC, UGA, Auburn…but lost to Navy and so many others. Pepper was offensively very bright like CPJ….but man he was a good bit more fun.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
9:43 am

Time for Vad Lee. Once again, people are blaming the wrong person here. It’s not Al Groh. Its Tevin Washington. He is incapable of making plays. Period.

If you can’t get first downs, your defense bears the brunt.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
9:45 am

Tevin makes TWO critical mistakes that cost us TWO games. The INT at VT, and the audible on 4th down Saturday. Game over. Because of one guy.

You can say anything you want about the defense, but when we needed a play from our QB, he failed. And HAS failed. miserably.

3-10 with 2 INTs against UGA should get a guy fired.

Rooty Tooty

September 24th, 2012
9:45 am

After reading the above comments, I have decided your all right. It’s a combination of a lot of things. We should have won Sat afternoon as well as the VT game. Bottom line, we don’t have a good defensive team. Haven’t had one for the past couple of years. The offense has to carry the team and when it backfires, it makes matters even worse. Offensively, some kids probably don’t want to play in the TO. Defensively, it makes no difference. Tech doesn’t get a lot of the 4-5 star thugs because they can barely get out of high school.

Freddie Blassie

September 24th, 2012
9:46 am

@ gt4ever,

You are a know little and the same bed wetter who whines until Tech hires some quitter like
Bill Curry.
You are pathetic.

UGA = Yawn

September 24th, 2012
9:47 am

Antoine, Brian Gregory will build our bball up to where it was. The new arena and having Bobby back to help are all steps in the right direction. Idiot Hewitt drove us into the ground. It takes us awhile to recover from that.

observer

September 24th, 2012
9:48 am

GT has some very good athletes…they lost 2 games in OT. Although they have athletes, they have settled into a mediocre program, and that is plainly and simply because they are coached by Paul Johnson. His play-calling and one dimensional offense will keep Tech in mediocrity for the future. If you are a Tech fan get used to being a middle of the pack team in the ACC, lumped in with nothing programs like, Wake, NC, NC State, VA, BC, and Duke. Expect a lot of 7-5 seasons with the “reward” of as crappy bowl game, finishing 7-6. Thanks a lot, Johnson.

UGA = Yawn

September 24th, 2012
9:49 am

GT Joe, being at the game to see it first hand, I understand what you are saying. Tevin’s instincts were all wrong. It isn’t natural. For this type of offense it needs to be natural. I have not seen Vad play so not sure he is more natural, but I did like Joshua Nesbitt when he ran it.

ramblingbuzz

September 24th, 2012
9:52 am

dawgfan……Yes we know how bad our D is. We’ve watched them blow leads in the last few minutes of 3 of the last 5 ball games we’ve played. We watched them give UM an 80% 3rd down coverson rate, many times on 3rd & long. Why do you think everyone is calling for Al Groh’s head?

UGA = Yawn

September 24th, 2012
9:54 am

observer, I always said it would be great if we were a ‘Duke’. Then losing would be expected. But, alas, we are not, we still pretend to be a better program.

Todd

September 24th, 2012
9:56 am

I cant bear to think about what the Clemson and Georgia games will look like. We might…MIGHT..hang close to Clemson…but Georgia is quite a different animal especially this year. We may be looking at another 50 something points scored on us by the mutts

buzzwax

September 24th, 2012
9:56 am

Giff Smith!!!

Vad Lee!!

ramblingbuzz

September 24th, 2012
9:59 am

Josh Nesbitt was a stud. He made many 3rd and 4th down conversions on sheer will power with no blocking in some cases. I’m not knocking Washington, he does a decent job executing the offense. But he is not a guy who is going to run through a lineman or LB to get a yard.

Brian

September 24th, 2012
10:00 am

It hasnt been lost on many that 2012 would be the 10th anniversary of the beatdown in Athens- the sad part is, UGA seems poised to be able to do it again. CPJ and Groh need to go!

GT fan sick of this

September 24th, 2012
10:00 am

Old Timer..well said. I drove 600 miles round trip to see that crap.
“He didn’t stick with [the toss]
but he’s the leader and I trust him”..what a joke! LEADER? I will not waste my time anymore. At least for a time, I can’t take this sorry a@@ game plan and no defense. How many more games like this will we have to put up with.

ramblingbuzz

September 24th, 2012
10:04 am

Pass rush, pass rush! Calling the GT pass rush. MIA. Another victim of the 3-4 defense?

UGA = Yawn

September 24th, 2012
10:06 am

Todd, I watched Clemson / FSU. We will NOT stay with them. Super, super fast. Faster than UGA. You have it reveresed. No chance vs Clemson. Slight, slight chance vs UGA.

travis

September 24th, 2012
10:06 am

where is supersize and his 11-1 predictions? lmfao!!

jj

September 24th, 2012
10:08 am

All we needed was one yard twice…all they needed was 91 yards.. Big difference as to who wanted to win the most.

Is Hewitt hiding on the sideline?

ramblingbuzz

September 24th, 2012
10:12 am

Everyone on here calling for CPJ’s & CAG’s head just settle down and be patient! Things will get better. Just as soon as CPJ learns that you can throw a forward pass inside the 10 yard line and CAG learns that 5 O linemen can always block 3 D linemen. And besides, you are are asking too much for anyone with a clue about coaching fottball to accept the GT job. The acdemics are just too tough here and we can’t recruit the 4 * atheletes. Accept the status quo and don’t expect the team to actually win football games. That’s being a little too ambitious!

Too Easy

September 24th, 2012
10:15 am

I smell dwag squeeze.

Ken D

September 24th, 2012
10:17 am

Johnson won’t play vad cause he doesn’t want to risk missing a bowl game and ending that streak. And to think Miami had what 2 studs on defense out for the game? The play calling on crucial plays is sooo predicatable by Johnson. And people call this clown a genius? Well, i see this as a 5 to 6 loss team. Byu will beat tech. And of course clem and uga. And probably someone else. Johnson isn’t what many on here thought. It’s time to move on.

old dog

September 24th, 2012
10:18 am

I pull for y’all except when you play us. I just am not sure the “criple” option will bring in the players y’all need. I know the defense was tired, but to give up as many yards aas you did should not happen even if they are on the field all day! I fear that the system, more so than the academics, could be the problem. Like it or not, in todays time I just ain’t sure you can get the hosses you need. Something is just missing………..

Jacket Man

September 24th, 2012
10:20 am

GA Tech scored more than enough points to win the game; the Offense wasn’t the reason the Jackets lost; bottom line, it was the Defense. One “bad” play in overtime would never had happened if the Defense would have done their job in regulation. Anyone trying to insinuate the Jacket Offense, including Tevin Washington, wasn’t effective, needs to ask themselves, how many points does ANY offense HAVE to score to win a game?

Shouldn’t 36 be enough, especially against a team that ONLY SCORED 38 against BETHUNE-COOKMAN? The Jacket Defense gave up MORE POINTS to Miami than Bethune-Cookman did. Think about it. No, GA Tech’s Offense wasn’t the problem Saturday, it was their Defense.

damngooddawg!

September 24th, 2012
10:21 am

I’ve always bashed Tech’s “high school offense”. But the offense played very well…well enough that they should have won. They showed that by coming back from a 19 point deficit. Gotta get more big time defensive players…and get your heads up, Techies…you’re my feudin’ cousins and I don’t like it when you start hangin’ your heads. It’s a long season…

MC

September 24th, 2012
10:23 am

This ain’t Navy Paul. You’re over your head.

MC

September 24th, 2012
10:28 am

Jacket Man….this offense will never beat the top tier defenses in this country. There are enough weak sisters in the ACC to get the 7, maybe 8 wins. But get real. Take it over to the SEC and PJ finishes close to the cellar in both divisions. Look what happens every time we get to a bowl. Look at that Iowa game. Grantham’s D will eat this thing alive come November. That Jones kid might even kill a QB. Get real for a change.

ramblingbuzz

September 24th, 2012
10:30 am

damngood………You’re right about the O & D. Just tough to see the team consistently snatching defeat from the jaws of victory. And we could win out like UGA did last year. But I’m not counting on it uness the coaches make a few changes.

blueridgegt

September 24th, 2012
10:35 am

Guy throws the ball 52 times—not one sack. Great day an lots of fun fot the Miami qb

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
10:36 am

Look, I find ONE fault with CPJ. Not play calling. Not the scheme. Not any of that.

Paul Johnson is too conservative in PERSONNEL DECISIONS. Vad Lee coulda won the QB job LAST YEAR. More athletic, better arm than TW, and you coulda said that in 20010 when Vad was a junior in HS. But CPJ plays it conservative, wants to redshirt lee, then won’t have a real “open” QB competition because he knows what Tevin can do.

CPJ needs to grow some nut$ and start Vad NOW. Quit being a lil girl about it.

TRUTH HURTS

September 24th, 2012
10:36 am

if GT doesn’t man up against the big boys, with all the realignment, GT will become a 1AA school . I went to a 1AA school and even when you win the national title in football, it is not the same feeling.

How did Bobby Ross do it? Just curious…

How does Tech recruit 4 and 5 stars? Well start by getting once Bachelors of Arts degree in the school. I realize the Tech alum are the ones that hand over all the money. But get off your high horses and realize this isn’t the 50’s anymore. You need a fan base that isn’t just alumni.

In fact, you need fans that are up that scream and holler the entire game and not just sitting there like lumps on a log. I was at the game and was shocked how many alumni just sit there with no emotion whatsoever while Miami fans were screaming the whole time. I was embarassed for Tech. And when I screamed, all I got was dirty looks. I wish I were kidding. The students and young people are up but it takes more. If the ticket office would have allowed me a ticket by the kids with the yellow wigs on with the painted letters on them, I would have been better off so that I could yell and cheer the entire game with them instead of getting hard stares from Tech alumni like I was disturbing them. This was the most important home game of the season if you were not going to yell and scream for your team at this game, then when were you?

I have said this many times. Sometimes GT is its own worse enemy. You need fans like me.

I am not entirely happy with some of the coaching staff either and hope changes are made but the fans have no excuse.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
10:38 am

Again, blaming the defense is easy, but delve deeper a little bit. How can ANY defense play well when the offense gets 4 1st downs in the last 25 minutes of the game? When the defense is already getting tired, TW can’t lead the offense to anything meaningful.

This is TW. Not groh. Not CPJ. Well, it is CPJ for sticking with TW.

TW cost us the VT game and the Miami game with two dumb decisions. Period.

Ryan

September 24th, 2012
10:39 am

Gt was a 14 point favorite against Miami

The Truth

September 24th, 2012
10:39 am

If you want to improve attendance Saturday, fire Al Groh today. He should have been fired last year (heck, he never should have been hired to begin with). If he is back next season, then he and PJ are both going to be shown the door at the end of the year.

The remaining home games are all not just ‘must wins’, they are ‘must dominates’

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
10:41 am

Can’t blame al groh for injuries in the defensive backfield.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
10:42 am

Can’t blame al groh for missed tackles.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
10:42 am

can’t blame al groh for the offensive doing nothing to keep the defense off the field the last 25 minutes of the game.

MC

September 24th, 2012
10:43 am

Win out ramblingbuzz? UGA and Clemson are on the schedule. What are you smoking?

Ryan

September 24th, 2012
10:43 am

Agreed Joe. The offense and special teams and pj’s play calls set up miami with good field position many times.

calvin

September 24th, 2012
10:44 am

When it appears the gods are against you, what do you do?
In the 2010 Virgina Tech game when Washington had to take over,
Tech was right on the verge of winning, but wait, a bad call robbed
them. In the 2009 Georgia game, a perfect pass deep into Georgia
territory was setting up a likely Tech win, but wait, a great receiver
who never dropped the ball, dropped the ball. In the 2010 Georgia
game, Tech’s great come from behind effort was tying the game
late, but wait, they missed the extra point. And now these two
big overtime losses, sealed by the mental errors of a smart and
poised quarterback. It’s looking more and more like Greek tragedy
than football.

AntoineFord

September 24th, 2012
10:47 am

Say what you want, but Tech’s always gotten good athletes before. In fact, over a dozen of Gailey’s recruits are now in the NFL. The fact that he never did anything while they were at Tech is a testament to his incompetence, but he did get some real superstars in and through school (Calvin, Dwyer, Burnett, Derrik Morgan, D. Thomas, etc …)

ramblingbuzz

September 24th, 2012
10:48 am

MC…………..I did say “could” not “will”. I certainly won’t bet the house on it. Not as long as CPJ is calling the shots.

GIVE ME A BREAK

September 24th, 2012
10:50 am

The 4th down play to try to get the D to jump offside is also time for our D to get some extra rest. It can be like an extra time out.

Too Easy

September 24th, 2012
10:57 am

If he’s going to run the stupid 4th down pull them offside play three or four times a game, why doesn’t he at least change the motion? Pulling the two A backs to the QB has been seen a thousand times by anyone who cares to look.

ramblingbuzz

September 24th, 2012
10:58 am

Excuse: Academics too tough to recruit top talent.
Excuse: Don’t have the liberal arts degrees to recruit.
Excuse: No proven head coach wants to coach at GT.
Excuse: CPJ has 3 years remaining on his contract.
Excuse: Fans don’t support the team.
Excuse: Fans don’t yell and cheer at the games.
Excuse: Don’t have enough 4 & 5 star athletes.

Let’s quit making excuses and tell it like it is: This team is underperforming. They do not appear to be well coached. The coaches are ho-hum on the sidelines. So are the players. Winning is contagious. So is losing. Right now we are losing against teams who are well coached and have a stronger desire to win. Just fix it.

www

September 24th, 2012
10:59 am

tech will be fine. 2012 can still be a special year.

a little pressure on the opposing QB would make a world of difference.

UGA = Yawn

September 24th, 2012
11:04 am

Enough with the ‘36 points should be enough to win the game’. It’s all relative. In the Boise St vs BYU game, 7 points was enough to win it. The point total is not issue – the play and coaching is. But seriously, the safety was the end and sealed our doom. It was fitting – as we are habitual underachievers. Even up 17 points, I never felt we would win. Why did the coaches and team not feel the same and play lights out for the entire 60 minutes!?

UGA = Yawn

September 24th, 2012
11:06 am

calvin you are so correct!

Too Easy

September 24th, 2012
11:07 am

Why does everyone keep saying we “took our foot off the pedal”, “didn’t play lights out”, “play like their hair is on fire”?

What makes you think this wasn’t this groups best effort? I think they did all they knew how to do.

Sad, but true.

Besides

September 24th, 2012
11:08 am

I love GT football, if they win or not. I believe in CPJ and what he does with the offense. I have to the point that I don’t think CAG’s defense is will get the job done. I do agree that the O play calling should be more agressive in throwing the ball, not just down field but slants and outs. I really like TW as a QB as he probably does understand what CPJ is trying to accomplish. However, it’s TIME for VL. He is more athletic and for sure a much better passer. This season is not ALL LOST but it’s time with what I’ve seen so far that CPJ start to build for the future by playing VL and some of the other RS OL and D players.

AntoineFord

September 24th, 2012
11:09 am

Say what you want, but Tech’s always gotten good athletes before. In fact, over a dozen of Gailey’s recruits are now in the NFL. The fact that he never did anything while they were at Tech is a testament to his incompetence, but he did get some real superstars in and through school (Calvin, Dwyer, Burnett, Derrik Morgan, D. Thomas, etc …)

GT Dude

September 24th, 2012
11:09 am

I say we play it straight to the Clemson game, if we win the Clemson game we can still have a nice seasonI BUT, if we lose that one then let’s start playing the future more and more each week. I am not saying burning red shirts, but the younger guys should start getting the bulk of the reps after the first qtr. of each game.

Too Easy

September 24th, 2012
11:10 am

Hey, it’s Vuja Da!

The New ACC

September 24th, 2012
11:19 am

It is very frustrating to have two over time losses already this season!

comment

September 24th, 2012
11:23 am

TRUTHHURTS – I totally agree with your comment.

The one thing that makes me the most upset going to GT games is the primary alum section that sits on the 50 in the gold seats on the bottom tier of the visitor side. These are rich filled Tech tradition families and alum that…

A) never show up on time for the game if they even go despite having all home game tickets
B) never scream, yell, or support our team
C) arrive 30 mins late to the game only to leave at the end of the 3rd quarter

Come on people. SHOW SOME SUPPORT. If not for CPJ and CAG, but for the students that are giving their all for GT.

damngooddawg!

September 24th, 2012
11:27 am

What I always want is for GT and UGA to be 1 and 2 when it comes time for our little get together. Doesn’t matter which is which at that moment. Re Recruiting: As someone said earlier, it can be done at Tech:See Bobby Ross, Pepper Rogers, etc. You have to find the right coach and give him enough incentive to stay after he has some success.

GTBob

September 24th, 2012
11:29 am

Why does everyone keep saying we “took our foot off the pedal”, “didn’t play lights out”, “play like their hair is on fire”?

When we say that Tech took its foot off the pedal we mean that Paul Johnson got extremely conservative with his play calling trying not to lose the game. It doesn’t mean the players weren’t trying. This loss was pretty much because of poor coaching. CPJ playing not to lose and Al Groh not having a clue what to do on defense.

AntoineFord

September 24th, 2012
11:33 am

Remember how good Jon Tenuta’s defense was a few seasons ago? He sent 15 of Tech’s defenders to the NFL in his first four seasons.

GTBob

September 24th, 2012
11:34 am

Re Recruiting: As someone said earlier, it can be done at Tech:See Bobby Ross, Pepper Rogers, etc.

Neither of those guys were great recruiters and GT and college football has changed significantly since then. There is no coach in the country that could come into GT right now and recruit well on a consistent basis.

Bobby

September 24th, 2012
11:43 am

Rochester Jacket; GT can’t recruit talent or win on the national championship?? Really?? Have you forgotten the 1990 National Championship?? How about all the talent that Coach’s Ross, and O’Leary brought in? Even much maligned Chan Gailey brought in better talent. As long as CPJ is in charge no GT won’t win another ACC title or be a Top 20 team. He needs to go back to Navy where they have a 100+ on the roster.

BigTimeTECHFan

September 24th, 2012
11:46 am

Great game by the Jackets, gaveMiami all they could handle and took them to OT.
For Tech to be a special team they need a special QB, TW is ok, but not the special QB that will take Tech to next level.
I think the biggest drop in Tech has be from Nesbitt to Tevin Washington. I don’t even think Nesbitt was great but he was a lot better then TW. Watch and see, Tech could keep everything the same and put JH14, Tracy Ham, Pat White, D Robinson, etc at QB and they would go undefeated

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
11:49 am

“taking our foot off the pedal”?!?!?! People mistake this for the fact that Tevin is not a playmaker. If we were getting first downs in the last 25 minutes of the game, no one would be saying we took the foot off the pedal.

When Tevin is QB, it always looks like we are taking our foot off the pedal.

Time for Vad.

QB

September 24th, 2012
11:51 am

Time to play VAD so he will be ready next year. Most of the offense is coming back. He will be the one needing experience. Need to recruit more defense–offense is scoring. Switch to a 4-3 permanently or at least 65% of the time. Need more D.

Old enough

September 24th, 2012
11:53 am

There’s enough idiotic blather on this site to rival what comes out of Washington DC. I remember similar sentiments expressed about a GT coach before, right before he won the NC in 1990. Guess he showed his doubters and then left because he felt no loyalty, support or patience from his critics.

Chan Gailey had finally been there long enough to get his recruiting team well known and established to the right high schools, and to overcome the loss of probationary schollies that was an admin’s fault, not his. He was on the verge of stringing together several years of top 15 talent when the armchair idiots decided he had to go.
Now we have one of the brightest minds in college football, and one of the most competitive in CPJ, and the clueless geniuses once again appear to call for another coaching change. He’s bringing in talent that won’t be evident for another 2-3 years. wouldn’t surprise me at all to see him win the ACC or even a MNC, and then thumb his nose at an ungrateful fan base as he leaves for greener pastures.
It takes time to build a college program. It’s not like the pros where there’s a draft, trades and free agents.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
11:54 am

Everyone blames recruiting. CPJ’s recruiting rankings are basically the same as Chan Gailey’s. Look it up.

This team is mediocre because of one player. The most IMPORTANT player. The QB.

I’m not blaming Tevin. I’m blaming CPJ for sticking with Tevin. Vad should have been QB LAST YEAR. But CPJ is too conservative to start a freshman (or redshirt freshman) at QB.

AntoineFord

September 24th, 2012
11:59 am

About six years ago, some major website ranked Gailey the second worst head coach in college football. Guess who was number 1? Here’s a hint — he coached UVA at the time and is now on our sideline.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
12:00 pm

After the VT game, I asked a simple question. Would you rather see:

Tech go 8-4 with Tevin, OR
Tech go 7-5 with Vad

Now let me ask the question again, but now slightly different. Would you rather see:

Tech go 6-6 with Tevin, OR
Tech go 6-6 with Vad

yeller bug

September 24th, 2012
12:05 pm

I hope Sat’s game was a wake up call and a defining moment for our GT football program. Adversity such as this either makes you better or bitter. Hopefully, we can make it better. Old Timer had a long commentary that effectively describes current state. Maybe this injection of humility will strengthen our resolve. CPJ is not as aggressive and creative in his play calling as he was in 2008 or 09. We seem to be playing not to lose–be it protecting a lead with 44 secs left or a 17 pt lead with 1.5 QTRS left. We have become too predictable on offense and the D needs a lot of things, but a pass rush would be a big start. We’re going to have to dig deep to finish strong and if we do, that would be admirable—I hope we don’t roll over.

I will always support GT and I still like this offense and our coaches. We will see how flexible they are to make changes. What will be interesting will be not only the rest of this season but next year. If Vad is more comfortable in the pistol formation than the traditional TO formation, will we run that or will CPJ force Vad to get better running the TO under center? CPJ needs to adjust his offense to fit his personnel and not the other way around. IF CAG’s pro style 3-4 is too complex for college students to master in a short timeframe, then he needs to make changes. Not only did the D looked gassed out there in the 4th QTR—they looked confused throughout most of the game—often not even getting set before the ball was snapped. We’ll see if our old dog coaches can learn new tricks and if so I’ll continue to support them. If we continue the way we are this year and next, then yes it may be a time for a change.

Casual Observer

September 24th, 2012
12:06 pm

I have watched both the VT and Miami game this year. The interior line is getting whipped on both sides of the ball late in the game. No depth and it shows. The size differential is not helping either. In order to win you have to be able to pass at some time in the game. CPJ needs to understand this. You can not beat a team with more depth and size on a consistant basis running the football. These guys are fast and strong. They will adapt to the option in the 4th quarter. Every now and then you will win one but you will lose more. You people need to support your team. When those young men are on the sidelines or on the field they feed off of your energy. You need to show up in force and be loud. Let them know you support them. You may not like CPG or CAG but support your school. Stand with your head up win or lose. You never keep a coach for any length of time besides Coach Dodd and one of the main reasons why is you do not support your team.

Tokyo jacket

September 24th, 2012
12:10 pm

As a fan, I continue to be supportive of Georgia Tech. As an alumnus, I’m experiencing something between disbelief/anger/sorrow and trying to figure out the odds of still making the ACCCG or beating Clem/UGA; I guess all that’s left is acceptance, right?

But, as a consumer, I’m contemplating finding a substitute product. And, that should scare CPJ and D-Rad. Faith will only keep me in front of the TV for so long.

Jacket Dad

September 24th, 2012
12:10 pm

1. Truth Hurts. You hit the nail on the head. Our fans are pathetic at games. There is really no home-field advantage. Students are OK, but the adults in the room come late, leave early, sit on their duffs and glare at anyone around them that dares to stand and/or cheer.

2. Johnson needs to wake up and hopefully Saturday’s game did it. Stop blaming and look in the mirror. Stop calling plays that everyone, including the opposing team, knows are coming. Stop refusing to add a passing game to open up our offense. Stop ignoring the defense – in recruiting and games. Stop throwing your players under the bus for “not executing” or “not being up for the game”. You are head coach and the buck stops with you.

3. The Groh experiment is officially over. When an experiment keeps getting the same unsatisfactory results over and over again, you change at least some of the ingredients.

4. Love TWs heart, but talent is just not there. Realize Vad is green and there will be a learning curve, but I’m willing to take our lumps to get growth – and have a chance.

The rest of the season will be interesting. We need players to step up and lead. They are not going to get inspiration from Johnson or Groh. And don’t read the press if we start doing better – it always causes us to come in overconfident and we just aren’t that good.

Not giving up on the Jackets. Just need a reason to sit through any more of these “heart wrenching” losses.

Wondering

September 24th, 2012
12:11 pm

As someone without a vested interest for or against GT, I wonder what lies at the bottom of the team’s issues. Is it difficulty in recruiting generally, or difficulty in recruiting the best athletes in CPJ’s specific system? Or is it a problem with the coach?

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
12:15 pm

@Casual Observer
If GT is getting whipped on the line of scrimmage, VT and Miami would not be coming from behind to tie us.
I disagreed with hiring Groh because I do not think Virginia should have to keep paying him millions when he was fired.
If they can tear up the contract when they want to leave then the AD should be able to do so too.
I do not want someone like that on the coaching staff of my team.
Some on here say CPJ is not going anywhere.
Fine.
Well I am.
To the golf course or beach instead of to the game.
And keeping CPJ and CAG has put in doubt whether I will support GT basketball.
I am tired of supporting way overpaid millionaire coaches.
I am planning on spending my money on something else or even saving it.

Birmingham Jacket

September 24th, 2012
12:20 pm

@Wondering

Despite what some would tell you on this board, it’s 90% (lack of) recruiting. Tech will never recruit like UGA, but there’s no reason we should get beat out every year by the NCStates and UNCs.

You don’t have to know a darn thing about football when you see the huge size differences in the lines of scrimmage, both sides of the ball vs. VT and Miami.

Johnson and Grogh either don’t know how, don’t care or both.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
12:21 pm

@Wondering.
The main problem is not the players at all.
It was the terrible hire of Alzheimer Groh.
And CPJ was responsible for that.
Why hire someone when Groh says himself it takes three years to install his system?
That gives CPJ two years of excuses.
Time is up.
This is year three and Groh gets outcoached.
Virginia fans came on here and warned us.
I think he went to Virginia.
If he loved that school at all, he should have let them out of the contract like they ADs all do when they want to leave for better pay.

Jmonty

September 24th, 2012
12:22 pm

I’m confused as to why the offense keeps getting brought up… They scored plenty of points.. But, the issue is the “D”… I mentioned this from day one… and what did I get??? No… the “D” is better. Come on man!!! No it’s not!!! The 3-4 is not being ran remotely close to being right… Not one blitz package disguised worth a flip. I don’t even know if “no show” knows what a 2 or 3 gap is?? Much less gap defense…which…by the way… a 3-4 is based on. No gap assignments at all. This is coaching.. Plain and simple. When the coach has no clue.. the players have no clue. “no show” needs to be fired and quick!! CPJ!!! You can still save the season and your job.. Listen careful… your fondness of Al “no show” will cost you your job.. Mr.. stupid (Groh) doesn’t know the first thing about running a defense. Maybe he was good on Madden Football on the playstation?? But, as a coach?? He sucks…

Big Wheel

September 24th, 2012
12:22 pm

Forget defensive scheme, it is obvious that at least the d-backs don’t know how to tackle. Sweeting and Golden should be dismisse from the team! If at 18, 19 or 20 years old they do not know how to tackle and are playing on the defenssive side of the ball??? As my old 8th grade coach told one kid on our team, “son, you might want to try out for soccer”. Complete embarassment.

William Casey

September 24th, 2012
12:23 pm

@Wondering: I was thinking almost exactly the same thing. The “pat” answers (bad talent, bad system) just don’t wash. How does one explain GT’s 36-0 run against Miami? The Jackets made the Canes look pathetic for almost two quarters. I chalk it up to two things: going conservative on offense and not enough depth, especially on defense. I’ve joined the “play Vad Lee” crowd and prepare for next year.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
12:27 pm

About the players.
Jamea Thomas is a good corner.
When Clemson threatened to get back in the game last year, he recognized the play, found the ball and picked it off.
He did the same thing during the our 36 unanswered points.
If u cannot get pressure on the QB, u need to blitz.
It was nuts to hire Groh and his 3-4.
But it did give CPJ 2 years of excuses.
Time is up CPJ.
Hit the road.

Casual Observer

September 24th, 2012
12:28 pm

Jacket Detective,
Notice I said late in the game the line is getting whipped.

Too Easy

September 24th, 2012
12:31 pm

I guess I’m having trouble distinguishing the two yard dive play when our foot is “on the pedal” from the two yard dive play when we’ve taken our foot “off the pedal”. It all looks the same to me.

Without a solid O line and B back that can break through a tackle once in a while, the offense is on the sidelines and the defense is on the field, getting gashed and gassed.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
12:31 pm

Some say this was the turning point game in CPJ tenure but it really wasn’t.
Losing to Uga in 2009 was.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
12:39 pm

@Casual Observer.
That could be attributed to depth but we were told we had that this year for a change.
Evidently not.
Tech stopped throwing the ball until third down during the Miami comeback.
Now how many times have football fans seen that?
The defense got gassed from being on the field so much since the offense went conservative and predictable.
One game like this would be Ok.
But this is three similar losses in the last five.
The game has passed Groh by.
A player said Tech wasn’t prepared for all the passing Miami did.
That’s bad but what is worse is no halftime adjustment.
Tech coaches lost this game.
Blaming Tevin, Orwin or the defense really angers me.
Some say Tevin is not clutch.
What the heck is a touchdown drive that ends with 44 seconds left?
You can’t be much more clutch than that.

GTBob

September 24th, 2012
12:40 pm

That gives CPJ two years of excuses.
Time is up.

CPJ isn’t going anywhere for a while for several reasons. You should probably concentrate on how he can improve the team.

Jmonty

September 24th, 2012
12:40 pm

I think CPJ’s biggest mistake was hiring “no show”.. He was a loser at UVA and that hasn’t changed. He is still a loser. He has brought a new level of shame into GT. If CPJ seriously wants to save his job, he’s cut bait and run. I’m sure there are many people that can coach 100% better…. including myself. Again… gap assignments.. The basics of basic.. Tackling and being in position.

CC

September 24th, 2012
12:43 pm

“He was stopped short of the first down by Johnson, who was unblocked on the play.”

Not only was he unblocked on the right side of the line… but he was unblocked by TWO gt players directly in front of him. They actually side stepped to their right and let him take three steps untouched right in front of them to make the stop that would have been Tech’s touchdown.

Those dudes, if they’re on scholarship, need to have their money taken away. The announcers kept saying, “And no one blocked him, no one blocked him.”

Yep, we know.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
12:45 pm

@GTBob.
No he isn’t.
But I am as I said.
I am joining those folks who used to fill the upper decks of both east and west stands at the golf course.
U can pay the two worthless millionaires without me.

JustinSyder

September 24th, 2012
12:48 pm

With all this “CPJ’s time is up” crap going around, you would think we were a national powerhouse before he got here. Sense the 1990 National Championship season, guess how many 10 win seasons we’ve had? TWO!!!! One of those was with CPJ. How many 9 wins seasons? THREE!!! Again, one of them was with CPJ. Please stop acting as if he’s the cancer in the room. Getting rid of him at this moment would cause chaos to our roster. We’d most likely be running a new offense with the guys we have now. That will most likely lead to at least two more years of misery before we even get to average.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
12:50 pm

@CC.
May I respectfully disagree?
We have two multimillionaire coaches who blew this game, just like they did the VT and Utah games.
The game should never have gone to OT.
Momentum had shifted when u let a team back in the game by going conservative.
And maybe Tevin should be allowed to change things twice.
Ya think?

Joe

September 24th, 2012
12:52 pm

Cane fan here….much respect for your team and school. Never have been a fan of the wishbone or “option attack”. You really do limit the types of players you can recruit from it. You guys showed what a team with “upperclassmen” are supposed to do when down…..and thats comeback from it. Down 19-0….you all put a whooping on us for almost three quarters….I really thought…..wow…..now WERE the team up early only to lose at the end. We will take the win though….it will help us grow for sure. I was rooting for you all against VT…..close….good luck the rest of the way!!

Joe

September 24th, 2012
12:52 pm

Cane fan here….much respect for your team and school. Never have been a fan of the wishbone or “option attack”. You really do limit the types of players you can recruit from it. You guys showed what a team with “upperclassmen” are supposed to do when down…..and thats comeback from it. Down 19-0….you all put a whooping on us for almost three quarters….I really thought…..wow…..now WERE the team up early only to lose at the end. We will take the win though….it will help us grow for sure. I was rooting for you all against VT…..close….good luck the rest of the way!!

headley lamar

September 24th, 2012
12:53 pm

If Tech does lose to MTSU

Will that be CPJ’s Waterloo ?

Sense the 1990 National Championship season, guess how many 10 win seasons we’ve had? TWO!!!!

Alot of that has to do with games being added to the schedule.

A heckuva lot easier to win 10 games these days.

I hear everyone blaming Al Groh and apologizing for CPJ

But who hired Groh ?

As a head coach you aren’t just responsible for the Offense.

YOU ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE WHOLE TEAM !!

ramblingbuzz

September 24th, 2012
12:53 pm

Is Vad Lee the answer? Could be worth a shot to generate some excietment & enthusiasm. Will CPJ give Lee more playing time? Doubtful. CPJ wants a game manager who understands his system and will minimize mistakes & turnovers. That is Tevin. Rember CPJ’s comment a few weeks ago? “The most popular player on every team is the back-up QB”. That should tell everyone advocating Lee at QB what CPJ’s intentions are.

Next question: Will this team leave it all on the field for CPJ and CAG? Based on what I have seen lately, I’d say no. Just as the fans are losing confidence in CPJ and his system, I’d say so are the players. Maybe even more so on the defensive side of the ball with CAG.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
12:54 pm

@Justin.
You can pay CPJ but I have had enough.
As a customer, that is what happens when one is unhappy with the product.
Look up at the stands for the last 4 home games.
There were lots of empty seats already for Virginia and Miami was also not close to a sellout.
It will get worse for MTSU, BC, BYU and Duke.
If u can;t beat the arch-rival, u lose fans.
Actually I’m behind the curve.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
12:56 pm

@ramblingbuzz.
Agreed.

Jmonty

September 24th, 2012
12:56 pm

@ Justin.. CPJ isn’t the issue with me. It’s that lack of defense coach… CPJ needs to seriously man up and send him packing.. Losing “no show” wouldn’t add to the chaos.. The “D” is nothing but chaotic. If players are out of position, that is a coaching issue. I couldn’t count the number of times players were out of position. The 3-4 is gap oriented and if one player is out of position the “D” can have huge holes in it. Which… was very obvious, if you saw the game. Either the players don’t listen at all… (which I doubt is the case) or the coach is a blooming dummy (which I think is the case).. He tries to run a pro type defense, but doesn’t know the first thing about it. No disguise in blitzes.. when he does blitz. I mean seriously you have a lead, you know they are going to pass and yet you don’t call any blitzes?? Worthless… just worthless. “no show” has got to go.

Teknocrat

September 24th, 2012
1:02 pm

Ol Timer, I feel your pain -your last 2 paragraphs summed up my feelings to a T. You know, every year someone posts a similar letter – and yet, nothing gets done. I love my Yellow Jackets, but I’m afraid I’m gone till Groh’s gone. I’m sick and frickin’tired of seeing the offense sweat their butts off, bad QB decisions notwithstanding, and then watch as the defense gives up one, two three passes and then a TD. I’ll continue to cheer for the bees, but I’m not spending another red cent on any game till Groh is gone. Nuf said.

Jmonty

September 24th, 2012
1:04 pm

@ Teknocrat… I agree.. I know the feeling.. “no show” has got to go!

The Truth

September 24th, 2012
1:05 pm

Simple solution and it has been said on this blog in the past….go to a 4-3 defense.

Firing CPJ is NOT the solution.

Joe from Miami…you are a class act…the Canes executed well.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
1:06 pm

@JMonty.
Agreed.
Groh was a terrible hire.
Why go to the 3-4 for a college program?
CPJ too lazy to do a decent job of interviewing a number of candidates?
Did he even consider anyone else?
I’ll admit I am prejudiced against coaches other colleges are stuck paying millions.
Now Groh has two football fanbases who hate him.

Jmonty

September 24th, 2012
1:08 pm

@ The Truth.. In seeing the personell… I think a 50 (old Chicago Bears) style “D” would fit. 5 D linemen and 2 (active) Linebackers.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
1:09 pm

@The Truth.
You are right.
Unfortunately your solution will not be considered.
And that is why some of us will be doing something else with our Saturdays.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
1:09 pm

@ The Truth and GT Joe—supporting a failure is NOT a class act! It is stupid and reckless! This is not one game!!! This is 4 years. Did it feel good to beat UGA (luckily) and then get lambasted by LSU? This was GT’s best season under PJ. This happens over and over and over and over and over and over and over again. Why don’t you see that? The only thing I can think is that you are not fans of GT because you want them to continue mediocrity. Therefore, you must be UGA fans. Otherwise, your stupidity and knowledge of football shows you know Zero about this sport. Go back to UGA!

The Truth

September 24th, 2012
1:11 pm

Good point Jmonty…need to prove we can stop the run…

The Truth

September 24th, 2012
1:12 pm

Silly Mutts=UGAG Troll

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
1:13 pm

Blaming Groh? For what, a Tevin INT at VT?

Or a Tevin misread/audible, then running into the worst possible hole against Miami?

Okay. Yeah, sure.

Also, let’s blame Groh for the offense not keeping the defense off the field the last 25 minutes. Yeah, the defense looked gassed; BECAUSE WE GOT 4 1st downs in the last 25 minutes of hte game. Tevin’s a nice guy, time to hit the road.

I said it after that VT INT. And he is getting worse.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
1:15 pm

Jacket Detective = pissed off Jacket fan.
and soon to be a non paying one too.
That is how one gets change.

The Truth

September 24th, 2012
1:17 pm

Point taken Jacket Detective.

TechApp fan

September 24th, 2012
1:18 pm

blogging when angry makes for some ugly comments…and does not solve anything.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
1:18 pm

There is really only ONE thing that CPJ is doing wrong: playing Tevin over Vad Lee.

Why CPJ is married to Tevin I’ll never know. You’d think he would have learned after that 3-10 with 2 INT game vs. UGa. Or the game killing INT at VT in OT. Will he learn after the audible on 4th down vs. Miami in OT? We’ll see.

But blaming his scheme or his recruiting? That’s just silly. Any objective look at the stats shows the offense works.

big daddy

September 24th, 2012
1:18 pm

Until Tech gets a defense that can put pressure on the QB, we will continue to get beat. Until Tech gets guys that can cover in the secondary and stop making bonehead mistakes, ie, pass interference on the great Sweeting, we will get beat. Any good passing team that we play will kill us. Hate to see what Murray will do with the receivers the Dogs have. Another crappy season. TW needs to stop trying to make plays that he can’t make. He is no JN. Josh would have gotten the 1/2 yard for 1st. down in OT just on pure power to make it. Should have given the ball to the B back. The way he is playing, no way he would have come up short. After watching the Jackets blow the VT game with 44 seconds left and Logan splitting the seam on slant patterns, I said we would be 6-6 or maybe 7-5. What could have been a pretty successful season is now turning into a farce.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
1:19 pm

Jacket Detective: You might be non paying, until Vad comes on the scene. One player CAN make that much of a difference.

Vad can even help Al Groh save HIS job…

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
1:19 pm

@GT Joe.
Tevin has played good enough to be 4-0 and the hero on campus.
I do not care if u agree with me that our two multimillionaire coaches are to blame.
U can buy my tickets and take my place but it sure looks to me like a lot of people agree with me and are voting with their feet.
That is what I am doing.
MTSU, BC, BYU and Duke.
What will I miss?

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
1:20 pm

Tevin played good enough to be 4-0, except for the two game-killing mistakes. LOL.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
1:24 pm

What if Vad is not the messiah yet?
Joe Hamilton was not so great his first year.
I have other things to do with my time and money.
Not loyal enough?
Maybe so but that is how I feel.
And I just do not like coaches such as Al Groh who insist a college that fires them continue to pay them millions yet tear up the contract when anyone offers them more money.
I thought about dropping season tickets when we hired Groh.
Maybe that is why I am so pissed now.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
1:27 pm

Vad may/may not be the messiah. But one thing is for certain: Tevin is NOT the messiah. So there’s no downside to starting the Vad Lee era now.

Vad shoulda been starter last year.

Don’t underestimate what a good QB can do for a DEFENSE.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
1:28 pm

See ya Joe.
I cannot fire anyone in sports.
I can stay home and save money and use the time on something else though.
I “fired” all the pro athletes, even though I am a Chipper Jones fan, because their salaries are insane by staying home.
Guess I will have to do it now for amateurs coached by overpaid millionaires too.

calvin

September 24th, 2012
1:30 pm

UGA – Yawn wrote: calvin you are so correct!

Except that the VT game that Tech almost won except for
a bad official call was in 2008 not 2010.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
1:31 pm

It’s just so mind boggling how folks blame our coaches. Have you not seen Tevin’s stats? Have you not seen his mistakes? Have you not seen how defenses load up the box because Tevin can’t throw?

J Taylor

September 24th, 2012
1:31 pm

Tech is going down the road of Vandy and the rest of the “academic” schools. Blame the persident and especially the AD-he’s terrible. Vandy has learned how to lose. Tech is losing the big games and has for a while. The administration and AD don’t care. It’s the same old story of the academicians and the PR ad’s ruining an old traditional program. Gailey-Johnson-Groh won’t matter. It is sad.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
1:32 pm

Jacket Detective: I sense a lot of jealousy or hatred towards people who make millions.

Sad commentary on America today.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
1:33 pm

One thing I agree with CPJ about is that it was a good idea to redshirt Vad and give him more time learning the system.
The senior vs the future star debate has taken place many times.
When I went to Tech the players names were Jack Wilson and Eddie McAshan.
I think the senior’s name was Wilson.

Stumpknocker

September 24th, 2012
1:34 pm

We should have never been in OT to begin with. If this Defense was worth a crap, we would have won both games in regulation. Whether its Groh, the whole coaching staff or lack of talent, there is gross inability to tackle or put pressure on the opposition………….the defensive line, for crying out loud, couldn’t tear through a wet news paper………any decent rb runs through us like he’s greased with butter.

J Taylor

September 24th, 2012
1:36 pm

One other thing, can we teach some fundamentals like tackling ? Also the rules regarding safety’s and kick coverage. How about unnecessary penalties such as slamming down a reciver on a critical drive after the play is over.–only 15 yds and a first down! The play calling has become very predictable. And the defence is short sevral playmakers!

Al Bundy

September 24th, 2012
1:36 pm

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if MTSU beats us this weekend. I will be shocked if we win more than 5 games. I had high hopes for this team after reading all the info on these blogs, but reality has set in and it isn’t good. I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard an announcer calling one of the GT games in the past 5 years say… “So in so is having a career day against GT” or “You Name it University has just set a new school record against GT”. It really is sad and if CPJ doesn’t win the rest of the games this year and the bowl game he should be fired during the press conference on live TV after the last game of the season.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
1:37 pm

Stump: “never should have been in OT to begin with”. Amen. But why aren’t you blaming the OFFENSE for that? 4 first downs in the last 25 minutes (and one was a penalty)? Can’t keep putting pressure on the defense and expect them to not get tired.

CT_Jacket

September 24th, 2012
1:37 pm

People wonder why Al Groh was hired in the first place. It would not surprise me if the reason was because he was practically free. UVA was still paying him his contract. Tech is still paying off Hewitt.

Johnson’s contract, I believe, runs through 2016. So unless you want to keep this coaching staff until then, I would continue to come to the games and/or donate more money to the A-T fund.

J Taylor

September 24th, 2012
1:37 pm

That’;s defense but plays like de fence

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
1:37 pm

@ GT Joe and The Truth – Dumb UGA Trolls!!

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
1:38 pm

Joe
I have plenty of money and retired when I was 55.
I resent people who are not earning the money.
Big difference.
Carl Crawford gets 22 mil a year and has done nothing for the first two years of the contract to earn it.
Hey you want to pay them folks who do not earn there pay.
Do so.
Look up in the stands, assuming u attend the games, and see what the “voters ” are saying.
Virginia game, as did Miami, had a smaller crowd than I was expecting.
Miami was the Big game this year and not a sellout.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
1:38 pm

Here is the list for the next GT coach – Todd Monken (Oklahoma State OC), Shannon Dawson (West Virginia OC), Chad Morris (Clemson OC), Mark Helfrich (Oregon OC), Lorenzo Ward (So. Car DC)

Too Easy

September 24th, 2012
1:39 pm

The season is lost at this point. Might as well go with Vad.

We know Tevin = mediocrity.

It’s about next year now. Couldn’t care less about the bowl streak.Who cares what happens in the Blimpie/Johny’s Pizza/Joe’s Car Wash bowl? We lose bowl games anyway.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
1:40 pm

@CT Jacket.
That could be it.
Though my CPJ is lazy and did not want to do a hiring search is maybe funnier.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
1:41 pm

I’ll also add Kirby Smart

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
1:41 pm

Jacket Detective: most of your posts are about people “making millions”. You got a problem with CPJ’s salary? Blame Drad. What, do you expect CPJ or crawford to give back some of that salary? You’re mad at the wrong people.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
1:42 pm

The one bad thing about Johnson getting axed though is I fully expect the 2 4star LB’s and 3 start DT to go somewhere else. That could be a problem for the defense for sure.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
1:44 pm

You know what.
We should have beaten VT easily.
Pittsburgh beat them 35-17.
How many yards did we make running the B back up the middle again and again.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
1:45 pm

Yeah, let’s get rid of CPJ. #12 in total yards this year. #18 last year. #36 in 2010. #10 in 2009.

Yeah, that offense is awful. LOL. Get real folks.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
1:46 pm

Detective: you know why the B backs get nothing? Tevin Washington. No defense is afraid of his 4.9 speed or his middle school arm. So they key on the b back. Why do you think b back production has fallen off a cliff since Tevin was QB?

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
1:48 pm

Joe.
Have you read my posts?
It is mainly Groh who has me angry.
I did not like the hire.
I am angry today because I continued to be a season ticker holder.
The team that has the momentum – makes a comeback to force the OT – usually wins it.
No proof.
Except our last three OT losses.

Jacket Detective

September 24th, 2012
1:48 pm

Got to go.
Been real.

Ed

September 24th, 2012
1:49 pm

Al Groh is considered a Defensive Genius. How come he can’t win at the college level. He is an ego maniac, only surpassed by that ass Paul Johnson. If that option was so great, why doesen’t anyone else use it?

Stumpknocker

September 24th, 2012
1:49 pm

@GT Joe ….. I would blame the O is the cursed Defense would get a sack or disrupt the passing game once in a while…………or learn to tackle some one before he’s run over every body.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
1:50 pm

Detective: the defense isn’t operating in a vacuum. The offense has to help sometimes. 4 first downs in the last 25 minutes will not win a game.

At VT, Tevin’s INT ended the game. Bad defense prolonged the game, but the INT ENDED IT.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
1:51 pm

1-4 VT 1-3 UGA (lucky one) 1-4 UM 0-4 Bowl games ——LSU stops TO, Iowa stops TO, Utah stops TO Air Force stops TO etc etc….Miami’s defense was terrible like an MTSU or Kansas. The TO doesn’t work against quality teams with good defenses and it doesn’t work when you need it most (see UVA last year, Miami every year, every bowl game, UGA etc etc). Paul Johnson hasn’t EVER done anything. Why do you morons support him! “Because we can’t buy him out…no money…bs” GT just spent 50 million renovating its bb arena. Find some donors fools!

5150 UOAD

September 24th, 2012
1:53 pm

Jacket Detective
September 24th, 2012
1:15 pm

Jacket Detective = pissed off Jacket fan.
and soon to be a non paying one too.
That is how one gets change.
————————————————————–

Not really TRUE.
Tech having LESS money limits options to change coaches. It sends the message that Fans want a CHANGE but without funds that can’t happen.
Your better option is to Give More money to the GTAA to make your voice More Important and heard.

GT84

September 24th, 2012
1:55 pm

As others were saying, it is time to get Vad in the game to see what he can do for NEXT YEAR. I would rather see Vad learn on the fly like Josh did than the same thing every week. Tevin is a great kid and a good leader, but he plays not to lose. Wide open receiver to get a big first down in 4th quarter and he threw a pass my 12 year old daughter could have completed. He is simply a game manager. Vad is an explosive athlete that reminds me of Nesbitt. Find out is Vad can get it done. If he can’t, then you start next year with the Thomas kid. Tevin should not see the field again this year, we are out of the Coastal and I would prefer a couple of losses this year to get ready for next year. CPJ needs to make the change or risk GT making a change.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
1:56 pm

Silly Mutts: Without Tevin Washington at QB:

1-1 vs. UGA
1-1 vs. VT

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
2:01 pm

After the VT game, I was saying “time for Vad”. I then predicted that he would have a monster game against presby (because he plays great against lesser teams), and everyone would be on his bandwagon, then Miami would show us what he’s made of (again).

Here’s how the next few games play out:

MTSU: Monster game from Tevin, gets everyone back on his bandwagon.
Clemson: lousy game with probably a game-killing mistake in OT to lose the game (that is the recent pattern, right?).
Next 5 games: TW plays great, all wins, everyone back on the bandwagon.
UGA: Major failure, on the same order as his 3-10 with 2 INTs game last year vs. UGA
Bowl: Major failure again, we feel just like we did after the last bowl game, praying/waiting for Vad.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
2:02 pm

@ GT Joe – and that is Paul Johnson’s decision! He hasn’t won anything and changing to an unproven QB doesn’t mean anything! Why don’t you see that? The TO won’t work with anyone at the QB position against proven defenses and especially when you DON’T have one!!!! It may keep things close but you will LOSE when it matters. It’s not just the QB is the system!!!! Period. Get rid of PJ and AG and start over. Otherwise GT will be irrelevant beyond the next five years as it already is going to be.

GT84

September 24th, 2012
2:05 pm

Also, as others have said, the 3-4 stinks. Unless we can put 50 pounds on Kallon we are doomed. UVA never had a great defense with Groh. We have the athletes to play the 4-3. Did the Morris kid from Miami even get his uniform dirty? No pressure and we were picked apart. I knew when we punted the game was over. Why did CPJ all of a sudden decide to not go for it on 4th down? He has lost his trust in Tevin to make plays. Everyone criticizes Murray for not ever winning a big game at UGA, who has Tevin beaten? If anyone says Clemson, did you see what happened to them against good teams, FSU and WV?

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
2:05 pm

Yes mutts, I am blaming CPJ for his only real mistake: sticking with Tevin.

TO won’t work against any proven defense? Okay, now your ignorance is showing.

JustinSyder

September 24th, 2012
2:06 pm

GT Joe: From the 20 plays that you’ve seen Vad play, what possibly makes you think he’ll be the solution against Clemson and Georgia?

GT84

September 24th, 2012
2:08 pm

I am a fan of Paul Johnsons offense. When we won with Joe, we played a different scheme because that is the athletes we can win with. A little option, some pro set, some spread.
As far as WnE’s comments about the 5 star athletes, we have never gotten them, nor will we get enough of them to win in a traditional offense.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
2:08 pm

Name one defense where the TO has beaten a good defense consistently? I thought so. Now who is ignorant?

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
2:09 pm

Justin: from the 20 starts from Tevin, what possibly makes you thing he’ll be the solution against Clemson or UGA?

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
2:10 pm

Justin: why would Vad be different? He can throw. He is faster. He can make open field moves. He can break the first tackle.

GT84

September 24th, 2012
2:11 pm

Silly Mutts, didn’t Nesbitt learn on the fly in 2008? I think that turned out pretty good and then set us up to win in 2009? By your thinking, we should have played Jaybo Shaw in 2008?

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
2:11 pm

Silly Mutts: just the fact that you consistently call this offense the “TO” shows that you have no grasp of what CPJ’s offense REALLY is.

JustinSyder

September 24th, 2012
2:11 pm

Silly Mutts: You’re the guy who cries wolf you see a stray cat.

GT84

September 24th, 2012
2:12 pm

Name one great defense that any offense has beaten consistantly?

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
2:13 pm

@GT 84 then you cannot complain when GT goes 7-5 or 6-6 because that is all that GT will ever be. I don’t accept mediocrity or this garbage TO without ANY passing game whatsoever. It will not win the BIG games that matter.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
2:17 pm

@GT 84—-My answer….because nobody in the ACC or elsewhere had seen the option!!!!!!!! Nesbitt was a great athlete that couldn’t pass in this offense. By the end of the season there was plenty of tape! See LSU beatdown that made PJ and GT (and the rest of the ACC) look like fools. Also, see record since then!

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
2:17 pm

Silly Mutts: no passing game is because of TW. Vad can throw.

Your anger is misdirected. You should be on the Vad lee bus. The offense proven itself against big time defenses. Hell, we probably AVERAGE 500 yards/game against UGA.

GT84

September 24th, 2012
2:17 pm

I am just saying the offense works. It works for the type of talent we have consistantly gotten over the last 20 years. We could get lucky and get an Andrew Luck, but that hasn’t happened. I would rather see a great athlete learn on the fly, maybe Johnson has started using the Pistol for Lee?
I do agree we either need a new scheme on Defense. I do not think it is the players. Thomas, HuntDays, Attachu could play for anyone.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
2:18 pm

Silly: your ignorance is getting comical. by the end of 2008 there was plenty of tape!?!? Then how did we win the ACC in 2009?

JustinSyder

September 24th, 2012
2:18 pm

Silly Mutts: Medicocrity was what Tech was in 5 of their 6 years under Gailey. CPJ has brought us two of our best seasons in over a decade. How do you respond to that?

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
2:20 pm

@GT 84 ” Name one great defense that any offense has beaten consistantly?” Another point I am trying to make here! Offense doesn’t matter!!!!!! You can win games with any kind of offense but you can’t without a defense!!! That is why PJ is not successful because everything is focused around his darn offense and the rest is neglected either without talent or coaching. Pick your poison. PJ is not a good coach because he neglects other important issues like defense and special teams.

MyMourningJacket

September 24th, 2012
2:20 pm

As a long-time Jackets fan, I’d like to gauge the state of The Rivalry now. Disregarding all belief systems and so forth, if you had a guarantee that GT could win the next seven football games in a row and lose the last one…and then go to a relatively decent bowl OR lose the next seven and win the eighth (but no bowl, of course), what would your choice be? Thank you.

GT84

September 24th, 2012
2:20 pm

Slly Mutts, the record since 2009 has included Tevin. I don’t think Johnson has forgotten how to pass the football, he did it at southern as OC and at Hawaii. He has not had a QB to pass the ball.
Also, the record since 2009 has been on par with the record since I started following GT in the early 70’s with a couple of exceptions.

GT84

September 24th, 2012
2:21 pm

Mine would be lose the next 7 with Lee and win the last one if that was an option.

GT84

September 24th, 2012
2:24 pm

I agree with the defense. They stink. That is ultimately up to PJ. There will be a change next year after Saturdays showing. We can gripe an complain all we want, but Groh is here for the rest of the season and I am sure we will see some of the same. But the offense has to keep the defense off the field?

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
2:24 pm

@GT Joe – because Clemson’s defense sucks too! Look at WVU last year! How about our bowl games in 2008 and 2009? If our offense was so good to win the ACC then why did we lose those games? The only thing comical is your stupidity! It doesn’t matter if Joe Montana was our QB Johnson isn’t going to throw the darn ball! God man please quit showing your ignorance!

GT84

September 24th, 2012
2:24 pm

Good day to all, nice discussions. Off to work now, lunch hour is over.

Born2Buzz

September 24th, 2012
2:25 pm

CPJ better realize the future is now. Sticking with TW from here on out will produce the same results we’ve seen on the past 21 games…wins against the weak teams and losses to better teams, with no wins in tight games. The future is now…we must see Vad. Just the possibility of him passing the ball is a bonus.

As for the D, Groh is done. He was completely unprepared for the hurry up O and all the passing. That is lame.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
2:28 pm

@GT 84 he didn’t run a spread option at Hawaii and they were successful right up until they actually played someone! GS is a better example but again the teams they were playing were not the caliber in the ACC. I don’t mind the Spread Option (TO) we just need to run it sparingly and not at the end of games or when you are trying to play conservatively.

NBTTruth

September 24th, 2012
2:32 pm

WNE:

Academics certainly is the issue!

Qualifying is NOT the problem…even GT laxes it’s standards for athletes so that most with half a brain will qualify. The problem is that GT is a VERY difficult school, which does very little to cater specifically to student athletes. GT’s “easy” major for football players is the business program, which is ranked in the top 25 nationally and is no walk in the park.

Every other teams recruiters are telling the 5-star, NFL-on-the-mind kids that they will get them in an easy “basket weaving” program and take care of them…we have to try to sell these kids on a quality education, which most clearly do not care about. Even the Stanfords of the world are lib arts schools with tons of cake walk majors for athletes (see UNC).

Combine tough classes with the fact that as an engineering school, GT is terrible at offering a great social life/girls, and we are fighting an uphill battle all day long.

GT has no interest in catering to athletes, which while great for it’s academic integrity, is going to leave us with a mostly average football program until things change.

AntoineFord

September 24th, 2012
2:35 pm

If you think think the MTSU game will be sparsely attended just wait until the basketball team hands in a few more 30-something point efforts. The athletic department in big trouble.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
2:37 pm

@NBTTruth – At least its “underwater basket weaving” so that is a challenge.

pj experiment should be over

September 24th, 2012
2:41 pm

Gt Joe, people should refer to offense by its proper name SAO Service Academy Option.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
2:43 pm

I’d prefer to call it “#12 offense in the country”

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
2:43 pm

@PJ experiment – more like VCO – “Vertically Challenged Offense”

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
2:51 pm

Question: I’m curious to know if GT has EVER had a #10 or #12 ranking in total offense, outside of the CPJ years?

This should end all debate about whether CPJ should keep his job.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
2:57 pm

@GT Joe – PJ is the HC not just the offensive coordinator. He should be fired because as the HC he makes the other decisions too (ie hiring the DC, ST coach and recruiting). BTW Navy’s rushing offense has been pretty darn good over the last couple of years. Where has that gotten them?

pj experiment should be over

September 24th, 2012
2:59 pm

GT Joe, LOL #12 offense against the # 78 Virginia #98 Miami in FBS and #112 in FCS Presbyterian , Tech offense didn’t do much against #32 VT , Furman (1-3) had 452 yards offense vs Presbyterian.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
3:02 pm

“Miami was the first team this season to have an offensive play longer than 46 yards against the Yellow Jackets, and the first team to score a rushing touchdown on this defense. Georgia Tech allowed more than 20 points for the first time this season. The Yellow Jackets allowed more than 500 yards in total offense for just the fourth time in Paul Johnson’s five seasons and for the first time since 2010. And Miami’s 609 yards of total offense is the third-highest total Georgia Tech has allowed all time and the second-highest total in an ACC game. Miami’s 30 first downs are the most allowed under Johnson.”

DOC 51

September 24th, 2012
3:03 pm

I can’t believe GT doesn’t get the ball to DAYS,BOSTIC,AND SNODDY IN THE OPEN FIELD.CPJ,give our so called playmakers a fair shot.That is more than 2-3 touches per game.Great backs need the ball 15-20 times per game.Our gameplan never includes 8-10 yd.possession type passes.GT would be 4-0 with 2 or 3 key passes,and a couple of sacks.And yes CPJ,freshmen can have a game-changing impact.

gt4ever

September 24th, 2012
3:07 pm

@GT Joe

Who the HELL cares…. He can’t recruit, and he can’t beat anybody worth a DAMN! This experiment is OVER! Period.

DOC 51

September 24th, 2012
3:11 pm

Our defense is fundamentally lousy.GT defenders can’t even do basic techniques.They must waste a lot of good practice time.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:12 pm

experiment: note that the current #12 ranking is against 3 conference opponents, when most teams are just getting done with their 1st or 2nd.

UGA for example has played TWO “presbyterians”, as has most BCS conference teams.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:13 pm

gt4ever: can’t recruit? His rankings are on par with Gailey’s. Look it up.

gt4ever

September 24th, 2012
3:17 pm

@GT Joe

I don’t give a cuss about ratings…. 2 star 5 star, who cares! The bottom line is CPJ’s teams are NOT competitive against D1 teams… You look it up! These players are rated when they hit the field, not by some recruiting service that has NO clue, and is in it for the money…

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:17 pm

Mutt boy: make up your mind. You first wanted to fire CPJ because his “TO” can’t win. Now when I show you offensive rankings, you want to fire him for other decisions (ST, DC etc.).

What will be your reasoning next time?

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:19 pm

gt4ever: if you don’t look at recruiting rankings, then don’t say anything about his recruiting.

If you are only look at on-field performance, then blame him for coaching “down” players, not recruiting.

And if you think he is coaching “down” vs. coaching “up”, you are WAY in the minority.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:20 pm

gt4ever: by your logic, if a 7th grade team loses to an 8th grade team, the 7th grade team’s coach should be fired. LOL.

DOC 51

September 24th, 2012
3:21 pm

I still can’t believe GT gave away 2 bowl games to AIR FORCE AND UTAH.FIRE CAG and CPJ.Good coaches don’t blow fourth quarter leads over and over.Watch for a fourth quarter meltdown against MTSU.

WnE

September 24th, 2012
3:21 pm

re:
GT Joe
September 24th, 2012
1:45 pm

Yeah, let’s get rid of CPJ. #12 in total yards this year. #18 last year. #36 in 2010. #10 in 2009.

Yeah, that offense is awful. LOL. Get real folks.
___________

You still have your head up your @$$!

CPJ is NOT a glorified OC, he’s a friggin’ HEAD COACH!

The entire FB Program is his responsibility, starting with RECRUITING, and then Defense & STs, but apologists like you only want to connect CPJ to the Offensive performance of GT’s FB program and not hold him accountable for the RECRUITING or the Defense.

You can’t have it both ways, if you want to treat him like an OC only, then CUT his salary to about $500K per yr, and then I’d have no problem with him, but if we are going to pay him $2.6MM per year then he needs to be treated like a HEAD COACH and be held accountable for EVERYTHING.

You are not treating CPJ like a HC, you are treating him like an OC.

gt4ever

September 24th, 2012
3:21 pm

@GT Joe

I can draw you a picture… Good grief…

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:22 pm

I guess it is CPJ’s fault that Tevin threw that INT in OT against VT, a la reggie ball.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:23 pm

WnE: blame him for recruiting? His rankings are consistent with Gailey’s. Next.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:25 pm

gt4ever: please, no picture. just facts. for once. facts. not bloviating.

gt4ever

September 24th, 2012
3:25 pm

No GT Joe, it’s not CPJ’s fault that Tevin throws the interception…. It is CPJ’s fault to have placed Tevin in the position of QB in the First place… Some of your comments are completely MIND blowing… Are you this CHALLENGED intellectually …..

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
3:26 pm

@GT Joe – I see your confusion in my statements. Winning and statistics are two different things. The offense works (against crappy teams) and doesn’t work (against good teams). Statistically speaking we have a good rushing team and a terrible passing one. I want to fire Paul Johnson for the following:
1) He is an OC and not a HC
2) His play calling is predictable
3) He cannot win bowl games
4) He cannot beat the teams in our division
5) He cannot beat UGA
6) He ignores the defense because he only knows how to run an offense
7) He cannot recruit
He has NEVER accomplished anything as a HC in D1 football (winning the ACC and losing his bowl games doesn’t count)
9) GT had a losing record last YEAR!
10) HE SUCKS!

Those are a few reasons for wanting him gone. List me 5 why he should stay.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:26 pm

Blame him for ST? He hired an ST coach for the 1st time ever, when 90% of teams don’t have an ST coach. Stubborn? I think not. Next.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:27 pm

gt4ever: I’ve said it about 10 times on this blog: blame CPJ for not playing Vad. But that’s about all you can blame him for.

gt4ever

September 24th, 2012
3:28 pm

LOL @ Silly Mutts

Good Luck with that… GT Joe must be one of CPJ’s coaches…

WnE

September 24th, 2012
3:28 pm

re:
GT Joe
September 24th, 2012
3:12 pm

experiment: note that the current #12 ranking is against 3 conference opponents, when most teams are just getting done with their 1st or 2nd.

UGA for example has played TWO “presbyterians”, as has most BCS conference teams.
__________

As a GT Alum I like to be FAIR, and you aren’t being fair.

Presby is LIGHT YEARS away from FAU & Buffalo, those teams are D1-A teams, Presby was in D-II up until 2007 or 2008 and have just gotten their footing at the D1-AA level that is still BELOW the D1-A level that FAU & Buffalo compete at.

Presby is about the number 120th ranked D1-AA Team which is a far cry below FAU & Buffalo which are roughly the number 70 to number 85 ranked D1-A teams, estimated.

pj experiment should be over

September 24th, 2012
3:30 pm

Gt Joe, why the obsession with UGA ?They have yet to play any FCS schools and Presbyterian is a bad FCS program. One doesn’t need to look at recruiting rankings to see that PJ hasn’t recruited well nor has he developed the talent he has been able to recruit.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
3:31 pm

@Gt JOE- I am not comparing PJ to Chan Gailey!!!! I am comparing PJ to successful coaches in D1 football. Gailey got fired…period. I don’t care if Gailey had a #1 class or a #45 class. That was Gailey. Not someone else in D1. Paul Johnson isn’t getting it done as a HC!!!!! He sucks. Vad Lee is not going to change that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Even if we beat UM or VT THIS year GT will lose to the good teams in D1. Neither VT (Lost to PITT) and UM are NOT good teams. Next is right. Next HC for GT that is!

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:32 pm

Mutt: let’s take these 1 by 1:

1) He is an OC and not a HC (subjective, but whatever)
2) His play calling is predictable (subjective, I guess D1 DC’s are morons cause his offenses are regularly top 20)
3) He cannot win bowl games (okay)
4) He cannot beat the teams in our division (huh? won the ACC)
5) He cannot beat UGA (huh? did)
6) He ignores the defense because he only knows how to run an offense (you mean, let’s AG do his job?)
7) He cannot recruit (compared to who?)
He has NEVER accomplished anything as a HC in D1 football (winning the ACC and losing his bowl games doesn’t count) (winning the conference doesn’t count. LOL. What else doesn’t count?)
9) GT had a losing record last YEAR! (dude, what? 8-5 would qualify as Gailey’s BEST record).
10) HE SUCKS! (subjective, and therefore lame)

Big Crimson 75

September 24th, 2012
3:34 pm

WnE — don’t leave out Mark Ingram from your Heisman list.
He was a qualifier, although maybe sweeping right or left pre-snap every play isn’t what a true RB wants to do.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:35 pm

Wne and experiment: you miss the point. We are #12 in offense with 3 real games. conference games. Can anybody else say that in the country?

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
3:36 pm

@ GT Joe – Where are your five? These are responses to my posts. List them and you will see how stupid and ignorant you are becoming. Just list them. That is all I ask. If you can list 5 that anyone on here will agree with I will side with you. I promise.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:37 pm

Silly Mutts: you are comparing CPJ to successful HCs in D1? Like who?

And please tell me which of those HCs would even contemplate stepping down to GT’s level?

Please, have some realistic expectations.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:44 pm

Okay muttboy:

1. Offenses regularly rank in top 20. Currently #12.
2. .642 winning percentage at GT.
3. Best winning % since bobby dodd.
4. Won 1st outright ACC title since 1990.
5. 1st 10 win season since 98 (3rd since 1956).

Straight facts, no bloviating. No subjective garbage. You’ve been owned.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
3:44 pm

Hell, I’ll do it for you! Here it is: According to GT Joe here are the 5 reasons PJ should keep his job:

1) Paul Johnson’s offense is in the top 20 every year
2) Paul Johnson won the ACC (once)
3) Paul Johnson is a better recruiter than Chan Gailey
4) Paul Johnson has had a better record than 8-5.
5) Paul Johnson doesn’t make the decisions on the field and a change to Vad Lee will turn the program around.

Anything better that you have said that I missed and should be added?

WnE

September 24th, 2012
3:48 pm

re:
GT Joe
September 24th, 2012
1:56 pm

Silly Mutts: Without Tevin Washington at QB:

1-1 vs. UGA
1-1 vs. VT
_____________

Unless TW has the authority to put himself in the starting line-up, then CPJ still has the ultimate responsibility for the situation, after all he is PAID $2.6MM to Recruit and develop QBs that are better than TW.

We fired Chan for that same reason (not developing or Recruiting better QBs), yet you want to let CPJ off the hook and put it all on TW.

While you’re at I guess you can also BLAME Vad Lee & Synjin for not being good enough to beat out Tevin.

You really don’t know very much about CFB, do you?

Long Beach Jacket

September 24th, 2012
3:50 pm

I was at the game. Old Timer is pretty spot on. Similar to my take on other blog before reading here.
I was disappointed that our guys didn’t show more FIRE for the entire game.
You could see that Miami was motivated and it showed in how they rallied around and
played hard.

Al Golden and his staff deserve a lot of credit.

As for us, I can’t understand how our guys can come into our own place in front of 50,000+ against a storied Miami program and not be “jacked up out of their minds!!!” with enthusiasm. I just don’t understand that part. Full disclosure: I never played football beyond Jr High but I know how hard these guys work 365 days a year for the opportunity to be out there on game day. What a privilige and honor to wear the Gold and White and give it your all.

I will still (and always) be 100% behind the program but this unit really has a lot to prove.
They’ve got a lot of games left. I’ll wish them the best and hope for it.

Saturday was – in my view – the most disappointing loss of the Paul Johnson Era at GT.

Gut check time. Cmon’ guys! Get it back! Go JACKETS!

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:50 pm

WnE: I’ve said like 11 times, blame CPJ for not starting Vad.

You really don’t read, do you?

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
3:51 pm

@GT Joe – responses to your posts to the following:

1) I can’t argue with the %
2) Beat UGA, VT, UM and any of your bowl opponents.
3) winning percentage twice. Okay how many National Titles did Dodd win and Johnson win in D1?
4) Ralph Friedgen won one at MD and got fired after being ACCCOY. Again, that was then this is now!
5) Yipppeee GT won ten games and got smoked in its bowl game (as usual).

Regardless, I am not opposed to keeping Johnson. I just think he should be the OC not the HC.

Big Crimson 75

September 24th, 2012
3:54 pm

GTBob
September 24th, 2012
11:34 am

Re Recruiting: As someone said earlier, it can be done at Tech:See Bobby Ross, Pepper Rogers, etc.

Neither of those guys were great recruiters and GT and college football has changed significantly since then. There is no coach in the country that could come into GT right now and recruit well on a consistent basis.
———–
Bob — your last sentence is simply not true. Recruiting is a talent some Coaches have, some don’t.
It’s Johnson’s weakest skill as a Football Coach.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
3:57 pm

Mutt boy: you really crack me up. You first wanted to fire CPJ because his “TO” can’t win. Then when I show you offensive rankings, you want to fire him for other decisions (ST, DC etc.). Then when I show you straight FACTS about him as HC, you say “I’m not opposed to keeping Johnson”.

Pretty soon I’ll be able to convince you to give me all your money for a ponzi scheme I’m working on.

WnE

September 24th, 2012
3:57 pm

re:
GT84
September 24th, 2012
2:08 pm

I am a fan of Paul Johnsons offense. When we won with Joe, we played a different scheme because that is the athletes we can win with. A little option, some pro set, some spread.
As far as WnE’s comments about the 5 star athletes, we have never gotten them, nor will we get enough of them to win in a traditional offense.
______________

That what LOOSER Stanford Fans & alums thought BEFORE they hired the RIGHT GUY (Harbaugh), and since then they have beaten USCw 4 times in a row and this year they beat USCw without Andrew Luck & Harbaugh and they beat them by physically dominating with a great defensive effort.

You can say that Stanford was a one-trick-pony that disappeared after Luck left.

BTW, we got Lou Young our Starting CB due to the fact that his Academics were BELOW what Stanford was willing to accept and would not let him in, so we can’t act like our Academics are tougher than Stanford’s.

WnE

September 24th, 2012
3:58 pm

you can’t say that Stanford was a one trick……..

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
4:01 pm

WnE: you’re a joke. Harbaugh was the “right guy” for Stanford? Dude came from the Pioneer Football League to Stanford. Had absolutely no coaching cache. Stanford got lucky with Harbaugh. Period.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
4:02 pm

Also, CPJ has a higher win% at GT than Harbaugh at Stanford.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
4:03 pm

@GT Joe – The TO doesn’t win any games that matter. And that is what I meant. Of course it scores points but it doesn’t win you the frickin’ game. You need defense and special teams. Something GT doesn’t have. Geez what is the use of the winning % if its against crappy teams and you lose the ones that matter most? I can’t help it if you are a moron and can’t understand that one win against UM, VT and UGA and none in a bowl game don’t matter. Keep on praising his great win % against nobody and GT will continue to lose for many, many years to come.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
4:04 pm

Stanford plays in a better conference than GT does too.

Erik GT

September 24th, 2012
4:05 pm

GT Joe must be Al Groh in disguise… you keep defending CAG but we all saw the product of his system on field… and on the quote board defensive players are quoted saying they felt completely unprepared; that they had practiced all week for the run and were supprised when UM passed all day…what is really unbelievable is the Groh’s lack of adjustment to the Miami O..he looked senile

WnE

September 24th, 2012
4:05 pm

re:
GT Joe
September 24th, 2012
3:44 pm

Okay muttboy:

1. Offenses regularly rank in top 20. Currently #12.
2. .642 winning percentage at GT.
3. Best winning % since bobby dodd.
4. Won 1st outright ACC title since 1990.
5. 1st 10 win season since 98 (3rd since 1956).

Straight facts, no bloviating. No subjective garbage. You’ve been owned.
_______________

There are lies, damned lies and then there are statistics…………

CPJ over the last 2+ seasons is below .500 vs. FBS teams, has basically been getting fat off of weak lower level OOC Teams and weak ACC teams like Dook.

He is 3-15 vs. the Big-4 since he got to GT:

1-4 vs. VT
1-4 vs. Miami
1-3 vs. UGA
0-4 vs. Bowl Games
==================
3-15 vs. the meat of the schedule that defines GT FB to rest of the CFB universe, he was 2-2 his first year so that makes CPJ 1-13 vs. the big-4 over the last 4 years including this season.

That is a horribly NEGATIVE trend that you are ignoring.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
4:06 pm

Mutt: .642 is a better coaching win% than we’ve had in 50 years. You need to face reality. We aren’t UGA. We aren’t Bama. This isn’t the 1950s. Wake up.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
4:09 pm

WnE: I’m not ignoring the trend. But you are ignoring the cause. It’s not CPJ. It’s Tevin Washington, the common denominator in all your stats. Prior to Nesbitt getting hurt in 2010, what were these records?

In the end, it’s CPJ’s fault for sticking with Tevin (now for the 12th time).

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
4:11 pm

@GT Joe…you need to face reality. Paying someone 2.5 million a year to do what a middle school coach could do is Pathetic. Paul Johnson is an embarrassment to GT and to college football in general. He should be fired and replaced sooner rather than later. And no Vad Lee isn’t going to change that and GT will continue to lose until that happens. The only chance PJ has is to resign as HC and become OC with a real DC. That is the truth.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
4:11 pm

And WnE: are you saying that every coach at GT since 1966 WASN’T getting fat off wins vs. OOC and weak ACC teams?

The schedule is no weaker now than it has ever been in the past 50 years. So the .642 win % is relevant.

GT Joe

September 24th, 2012
4:12 pm

Mutt: please find us a middle school coach to win us an ACC title. please.

Your bloviating with no facts to back up anything is getting boring.

GT84

September 24th, 2012
4:36 pm

WnE, The point I am making is that we haven’t gotten the recruits no matter who was the coach. We also got lucky with Hamilton, just as Stanford did with Andrew Luck. You are also forgetting the academic fact that most people bring up, it is not the qualifiers or the fact that it is a difficult school. It is the fact that GT offers no Liberal Arts, recruiters use the class load against us, and there are no easy courses the athletes are interested in. Using the comparason of us vs Stanford is not apples to apples.

Silly Mutts

September 24th, 2012
5:01 pm

@GT Joe…the conversation became boring a long time ago when you don’t seem to understand that TW didn’t lose the game for GT. The HC makes the decisions on personnel and coaching. If TW was in the game and didn’t get it done then its NOT his fault. Its the HC’s fault. Get this straight as well. I don’t care about ONE and I mean ONE ACC Title! If you do then I can’t help your stupidity as I said over and over again. GT got crushed in the bowl game that year! The offense did NOTHING in that game. That season doesn’t mean diddly!!!!!!!!!!! This season does mean something! And now it doesn’t mean ANYTHING! Get it through your thick skull!!!! Paul Johnson is a LOSER! And now so is GT!

Jones cane

September 24th, 2012
10:25 pm

LOVE GOING TO BOBBY DODD STADIUM!
GO CANES!

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Tech needs a Defense! They score plenty. More than most. The player’s do well. Bad luck. The option is fun to watch. Defense win’s games. No defense, no OT wins. All that can be said since the Black Watch Defense. And that was a long time ago.

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