Tech notes: No extra prep time for Virginia this time

Thursday notes.

1. One sure way to irritate Georgia Tech coach Paul Johnson is to suggest that his offense can be vulnerable if an opponent has more than one week to prepare. Johnson’s typical response is that it also gives Tech extra time and that any defense would fare better against any offense with more preparation.

Having Johnson debate the topic with Virginia defensive coordinator Jim Reid might make for interesting theater, then. Last season, the Cavaliers had an open date before playing the Yellow Jackets and gave them their first loss of the season in a 24-21 victory. In becoming the first team that season to hold Tech under 300 yards of total offense, Reid freely gave credit to the extra time Virginia had to work in practice against Tech’s option-based spread. The two teams play Saturday at Bobby Dodd Stadium.

“It is just absolutely a terrific advantage when you can have one extra week or have a preseason like Virginia Tech was able to have,” Reid said this week in a teleconference with Virginia media.

With a standard week of practice this season prior to Tech, Virginia devoted time in spring practice and in the preseason to the Tech offense. An additional challenge is that the Cavaliers defense lost seven starters from last season. Reid was concerned about his young secondary getting reeled in on play-action fakes.

“This is a very difficult offense to duplicate in practice, very difficult,” Reid said. “The speed of the offense is hard to duplicate when you have scout-team players running it.”

The standard rationale for Reid’s line of thinking is that the option-based spread is so rare in college football that players aren’t used to facing it and that it requires a more disciplined style of play that is difficult to learn in a week’s time.

“You’ve just got to depend on your players to fulfill their assignments, and it’s not easy, because this offense conflicts you on assignments,” he said. “It’s really hard to do.”

2. Inside linebacker Daniel Drummond, safety Fred Holton and B-back Charles Perkins will not play Saturday. They were listed as “out” in the injury report released Thursday. Drummond re-aggravated a high-ankle sprain in last Saturday’s game against Presbyterian College, Holton has a lingering foot injury. Perkins’ injury is undisclosed. B-back David Sims (shin) did not practice Thursday and is listed as questionable.

Zach Laskey is listed as the starting B-back on the depth chart, with Broderick Snoddy on the second string. Drummond’s replacement is Jabari Hunt-Days. Safety Jamal Golden will again sub for Holton, who has yet to play this season. Offensive tackle Morgan Bailey, returning from a high-ankle sprain, practiced and is expected to play.

3. Offensive lineman Will Jackson was befuddled by the Jackets’ loss to Virginia last year, saying that he felt the team was mentally prepared, but then he missed assignments that he’d “never missed before in my life” and was completely unable to explain it afterwards when watching the game video.

“That’s kind of how it is for everybody,” he said. “Just kind of anything that could have gone wrong went wrong for us.”

Thanks for reading.

Ken Sugiura, Georgia Tech blog

147 comments Add your comment

Stephen

September 13th, 2012
11:01 pm

gt40pinhd

September 13th, 2012
11:03 pm

i hope the ol is reading this. they need to step up!

Ken Sugiura

September 13th, 2012
11:14 pm

well done, stephen.

gt40pinhd

September 13th, 2012
11:20 pm

finally get to see a game: on espnu in socal.
ken, never heard cpj’s explanation of the vt loss. did i miss it? seems to me i would rate the ol as the problem. thought the d played pretty well (heck of a lot better than last year). maybe it does take a long time to adjust to a 34 defense.

FL Jacket

September 13th, 2012
11:40 pm

Let me get this straight…Virginia’s DC doesn’t bother giving his players assignments against traditional offenses?

FL Jacket

September 13th, 2012
11:48 pm

The offense creates conflicts with defensive assignments because the formation is balanced and doesn’t show a strong side until a split-second before the snap. There’s literally nothing to key on as a defender.

gt40pinhd

September 13th, 2012
11:51 pm

and with a few more counters, the defense won’t be able to fly to the ball!

gt40pinhd

September 13th, 2012
11:52 pm

and w/vad playing, the d will really be conflicted!!!

SSI Oldtimer

September 14th, 2012
5:43 am

Nice reporting Ken. You arre a dedicated reporter with very flexible hours.

I’m confused about how good or how bad Tech’s offense will be this season. We have so many players injured or otherwise not available, it is not clear how much better we could be with everyone healthy. Saturday should provide some answers but unlikely to be definitive.

ToeMeetsLeather

September 14th, 2012
6:06 am

Hope Laskey’s smallest girth can take the pounding with so little depth at BBack.

It appears we have some talented players that may NEVER see the field due to suspensions and being so injury prone.

CPJ may be forced to open up the offense more on Saturday, which might not be a bad thing. With Smith, Bostic, Zenon, Lee, etc., there are quite a few playmakers on this offense that need to get more touches.

Big game coming up against the CAVS.

ToeMeetsLeather

September 14th, 2012
6:17 am

Oh, and with all of this talk about having the extra time to prepare for this offense, it certainly appears that CPJ’s system gives him an extra advantage in all the games when the other team only has a few days to prepare. I’ll take that deal, since that represents the scenario most every Saturday during the season.

hiveredtech

September 14th, 2012
7:15 am

Ken

Another thing unusual about UVA week last year (other than the fact we have only one win at Charlottesville since 1990…and it was UVA’s homecoming) was that it followed mid-term week. GT football is notorious for being flat on the Saturday following mid-terms. Happens every year.

Last year was the perfect storm….the only variable affecting it was not the extra week of prep UVA had…it just added to the difficulty.

Jmonty

September 14th, 2012
7:42 am

We’ll see how we do against UVA… But, I don’t have the same faith in our “D” as many of you folks do. I still see issues all over the place. UVA’s QB is slightly above average. Not great… But, good enough to post 200+ yards in the air. If “no show” Groh can put together a game plan…we’ll have a chance. However; it always seems the “D” has breakdowns… I see numerous times the players being hit with those issues. You have to remember these are 18-21 year old kids (most of them)… They mostly do what is asked. Being out of position is something that the coaches need to address. Since, I see the “D” out of position quite often, this leads me to beleive that these are coaching issues…not player issues. With that said… I think that the “O” will generate enough points to win. It won’t be a pretty game. But, a win is a win.

Tokyo jacket

September 14th, 2012
7:47 am

Looking forward to getting a little revenge. I’m disappointed in the time it’s taking for the O-line to gel this season, but confident they will. And, when they do, watch out! We’ve got the speed all over the field to put up a lot of points.

Even though we’re 1-1, we’re in the top 25 on offense and top 25 on defense including top 10 in 3rd down defense. I’ll take that. Oh, and before you bring up “cupcakes,” every other team has played a cupcake too!

hiveredtech

September 14th, 2012
7:58 am

Jmonty

Interesting take since we are a program that’s identity should be offense. Our defense held VaTech to 9 straight possessions w/o any points…many of which our offense gave our D a short field (like going for it on 4th down at midfield)….we also scored zero during that stretch. We just needed one score in that 9 possession stretch. We had similar problems last year where the defense would provided 5 or 6 stops in a row without any offensive movement…even going 3 and out a lot. Offensive-based programs usually do not let that happen. VaTech has young OL…but they also have the #2 NFL QB prospect in college football if you believe Mel Kiper. The future looks bright for us….I think 2013 amd 14 even moreso than this one…but our defense is good enough for a high powered offense to win games….and we have to have a high powered offense.

Irishman

September 14th, 2012
8:20 am

What is going on with Perkins? Injured or unhappy?

DOC 51

September 14th, 2012
8:33 am

TW needs to stay in the pocket ,and make some big time completions in tough games.His stats are padded from games against lesser opponents.TW also can’t be afraid to make the option pitch.He has to show more overall composure in big games.

Chad

September 14th, 2012
8:36 am

Facts speak for themselves. GT loses almost every time when a team has more than one week to prepare. CJ can make excuses but his offense has no playmakers and a qb who can’t do anything to win a close game. I think uva will beat them. And it will be 0-2 against the state just like last year.

dawgfan

September 14th, 2012
8:58 am

“One sure way to irritate Georgia Tech coach Paul Johnson is to suggest that his offense can be vulnerable if an opponent has more than one week to prepare.”

0-4 in bowl games. This guy is a total clown. Unbelievable.

DOC 51

September 14th, 2012
9:02 am

I would give Snoddy half the snaps at B-back.With great blocking he will break a couple to the endzone.BOSTIC and DAYS need more snaps at A-back.Sims,Smith,and Perkins are injury prone.

909

September 14th, 2012
9:11 am

Jackets win by 2 TDs.

juvenal

September 14th, 2012
9:14 am

best way to irritate CPJ is to question him on anything…

observer

September 14th, 2012
9:20 am

Why do you care, dawggiefan? Better yet, what do you know about football…probably one of those little fat-ass frat boys from the Athens diploma mill. Are you up for the big Fla. Atlantic game, or are you a little nervous?

Wes

September 14th, 2012
9:23 am

This “prep time” nonsense is just so stupid.

When we have extra time to prep for ANY offense our defense plays better. It’s not rocket science.

So freaking stupid.

SansWorld

September 14th, 2012
9:23 am

“it always seems the “D” has breakdowns…” “top 25 on defense including top 10 in 3rd down defense”

First off, every team has defensive breakdowns, the key is to play steady at key points in the game, and not give up game changing plays. Seems last year we we did play great for stretches, but often gave up critical 3rd downs. Last year we were 76th last year in Opponent Third Down Conversion Percentage, but 42 in overall yards allowed.

This year our defence is playing with a lot of confidence, they seem much improved. They remind me of the squad that took the field against Clemson last year.

SansWorld

September 14th, 2012
9:31 am

“prep time” nonsense

it is not our defence that needs prep time. it is other team’s defenses that benefit from extra prep time against a offense strategy they see only once a year. It is undeniable that our worse offencive performances have come against teams with an off week. I can’t imagine an opponent’s scout team effectively trying to emulate our option on one day’s notice after running a traditional offence all year long.

dawgfan

September 14th, 2012
9:35 am

“Better yet, what do you know about football…”

I know that you probably shouldn’t get all bent out of shape when someone suggests that your offense struggles when the other team has extra time to prepare if you’re 0-4 in bowl games. It makes you look a little silly.

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DOC 51

September 14th, 2012
9:41 am

GT defense is never ready to make big plays when games are decided in the fourth quarter.Mental toughness is missing.

GTfan2012

September 14th, 2012
9:49 am

No dwagfan, you look a little silly suggesting that 4 games is a valid sample size (I know, talking about sample size may be a little over your head). Why don’t you read this article from FLJacket and learn something.
http://www.fromtherumbleseat.com/2012/8/17/3215774/dispelling-again-the-extra-time-to-prepare-for-the-triple-option

GTGirl

September 14th, 2012
9:59 am

What was it Johnny Unitas used to say before a game? ‘Talk is cheap, let’s go play ball!
I say Go Jackets! Beat the Cavs!

JM

September 14th, 2012
10:01 am

Turnovers and penalties are typically the reasons why GT’s offense doesn’t score points.

In past seasons GT has lost games because the defense couldn’t stop the other team. It looks like the defense is much better this season.

Vermont Yellowjacket

September 14th, 2012
10:09 am

Ken, what happens when a reporter asks the irritating questions? Do coaches hold grudges during subsequent pressers, or do they just figure it’s part of doing business? Ever consider having a non-beat reporter there as a ringer just to take the flak?

As a New Englander, I see Bill Belichick get his hackles up during every press conference. I get the feeling CPJ can be a little like that.

dawgfan

September 14th, 2012
10:12 am

“No dwagfan, you look a little silly suggesting that 4 games is a valid sample size”

You look a little silly suggesting that a game where the opposing team has almost a month to prepare is not a valid example of how Georgia Tech performs against teams with extra time to prepare.

The definition of stupidity is making something more complicated than it has to be. Just sayin’.

dawgfan

September 14th, 2012
10:14 am

“As a New Englander, I see Bill Belichick get his hackles up during every press conference. I get the feeling CPJ can be a little like that.”

Except for the part where Bill Belichick has won 3 super bowls and has kind of earned the right to be like that. Paul Johnson not so much.

dry dirt road

September 14th, 2012
10:20 am

Both TW and VL looked good last week. TW scrambled well, dodging rushing dl, and VL was impressive. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen two qbs at Tech who are real good during the same season. Even Days crossed the goal line with the ball, and was not given credit for it by referees who did not consult replay vid enough. Also, that Virginia coach is right about trying to practice for Tech’s complicated offense. It finally got complicated last week as seen on ESPN3 on the computer, and was not as complicated against VT, with the trip opt off not being run against them. Tech adding the pistol makes it even more complicated. Those qb draws are big gainers for TW and VL. Too bad VL ran out of gas on the long run last week. The D ran out of gas in OT, and needed a 6 man rush on every play to help those that were tired. I guess they were tired b/c it’s hotter in ATL than in Blacksburg for Tech practices on Rose Bowl Field. Using the indoor might be the solution for practices when it’s hot outside. Just string up a gymnastics rope in the indoor to remind players and coaches of the old gym! I remember when I climbed the rope in the old gym in Winter of 1970. My gymnastics coach, John Houser, went to Ga Southern, where CPJ coached. Maybe some of the players might want to climb the rope just for the hell of it.

Frustrated Jacket

September 14th, 2012
10:25 am

I’m in no way defending dawgfan but… seriously? Sample size? Has it come to that? As a life long Yellow Jacket I’d love nothing more than to squash this argument the same as some of the other stigmas attached to our offense has been. That it’s dated, that it can’t work at a D1 level, that it is high school in nature. All of those purported claims have been silenced. However, the one that has not is that extra preparation does not slow down the option. Die hard fan, realistic about football. I mean, how many bowl losses do we need to incur before it is deemed true? 6, 10, 15? I mean, jeeez! CPJ should counter the preparation with unique wrinkles… or God forbid a passing game with Vad at the helm. As much as it pains me to say it, we do not alter or make enough adjustments to offset higher caliber defenses at times. That’s not a betrayal, that’s just honest.

DawginLex

September 14th, 2012
10:31 am

I don’t understand why CPJ gets upset because a coach says he needs extra time to prepare for his offense.

To me that’s a compliment.

The only way for him to really be able to say anything in return and to eventually shut folks up is real simple: Win the game. Win a bowl game. Win a game where the opponent had an off week before the GT game.

Tech wins this week 38-27

GT Joe

September 14th, 2012
10:32 am

Frustrated Jacket and dawgfan: Chan Gailey lost his last 3 bowl games; I guess the extra time helped teams prepare for Chan’s offense too?

GT Joe

September 14th, 2012
10:34 am

The GT defense 4th quarter and OT collapse last year in the bowl game was due to extra time to prepare for the OFFENSE? LOL okay.

GT Joe

September 14th, 2012
10:35 am

I guess the defense giving up a tying FG with 44 seconds to play against VT was because VT had extra time to prepare for our OFFENSE?

GT Joe

September 14th, 2012
10:37 am

If VT didn’t have that extra time to prepare for our offense, maybe TW doesn’t throw a lousy lob pass into the end zone in OT for a pick. Yeah, I see the connection. LOL.

Vermont Yellowjacket

September 14th, 2012
10:40 am

@dawgfan – If you ask Belichick, he’ll tell you that he’s won 5 Super Bowls – 2 with the NYG’s.

Although the 2 he lost to the Giants are the ones that I see in my nightmares.

fuzzybee78

September 14th, 2012
10:43 am

Losses with extra time to prep:
40% prep time 60% loaded with studs on D like LSU, Iowa, & VT.

fuzzybee78

September 14th, 2012
10:46 am

As CPJ said “in an ideal world completing 15 out of 20″ —- CHANGES EVERYTHING! no matter who the QB is or how much prep time they have.

WnE

September 14th, 2012
10:57 am

re:
fuzzybee78
September 14th, 2012
10:43 am

Losses with extra time to prep:
40% prep time 60% loaded with studs on D like LSU, Iowa, & VT.
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You cannot explain the losses to UTAH & USAFA in the bowls by claiming that they were “60% loaded with studs on D”.

Utah & Air Force?

It is obvious that the extra time does help BCS level teams, and also teams from lower levels like USAFA and Utah that just moved to a BCS conference.

BTW, even if other teams do have studs on D, doesn’t CPJ get PAID $2.6MM per year to still come up with ways to be successful vs. Defenses filled with studs?

Why is it that having “studs on D” is supposed to be sort of mulligan for CPJ?

When he first came to GT, folks were saying “we’ll compete for MNCs by years 4 & 5″, now here we are in year FIVE and those same folks are giving CPJ a free-pass because the opposing defenses were talented.

Talk about LOWERING STANDARDS!

CPJ has done nothing but lower the standards for GT FB and many of the GT fanbase cannot see what is happening right before their very own eyes!

SansWorld

September 14th, 2012
11:11 am

“Talk about LOWERING STANDARDS!”

I would suggest that Chan loosing to Utah, West Virginia, and Fresno State is about the same standard as CPJ loosing to Utah and USAFA

I can’t really see anyone arguing the program is at a lower standard than it was under Chan.

CT_Jacket

September 14th, 2012
11:12 am

Nice post GTfan, but never let the facts get in the way of a good argument.

headley lamar

September 14th, 2012
11:20 am

One sure way to irritate Georgia Tech coach Paul Johnson is to suggest that his offense can be vulnerable if an opponent has more than one week to prepare.

To everyone else its pretty obvious.

But CPJ is a jerk with a huge ego so he cant bring himself to admit it.

Of course having an extra week helps one prepare for any offense.

But when your offense is so much different than anything teams will see all year.

Then obviously having that extra week or weeks helps.

CPJ now 2 – 13 vs UGA, Va Tech, and Bowl Game

Including 0 for the last 7

Here is hoping he is at Tech for a long long long time !!!

WnE

September 14th, 2012
11:24 am

re:
SansWorld
September 14th, 2012
11:11 am

“Talk about LOWERING STANDARDS!”

I would suggest that Chan loosing to Utah, West Virginia, and Fresno State is about the same standard as CPJ loosing to Utah and USAFA

I can’t really see anyone arguing the program is at a lower standard than it was under Chan.
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When Chan screwed the pooch Chan took the BLAME, when CPJ screws up , it is never HIS FAULT, there’s always a mulligan excuse as to why it is NOT his fault.

BTW, Chan made between $800K & $1.0MM while coaching GT, CPJ is set to make $2.6MM this year.

In his last 4 years Chan was 5-11 vs. the big-4 (VT, Miami, UGA, Bowl Game) while CPJ was 3-13 going into this season and is now 3-14 after losing to VT on Labor Day.

Are we/the GTAA really getting a lot more from CPJ considering the extra money that we are paying him?

Basically we’re getting Chan-results while paying FB-factory money to CPJ.

Chan played tougher schedules (according to computer SoS rankings), Chan also played vs. tougher UGA teams, and Chan also played tougher OOC schedules.

CPJ has benefited from a weaker UGA, a weaker ACC, and weaker overall OOC schedules, he’s 14-12 the last 2 years vs. the 69th & 76th toughest schedules.

CPJ has NOT moved GT FB forward in any way, he’s only lined his pocket with a fat contract that he never should have been given!

headley lamar

September 14th, 2012
11:28 am

was that it followed mid-term week. GT football is notorious for being flat on the Saturday following mid-terms.

Ill let you in on a little secret. Ken correct me if im wrong.

Most Div I football players take a really light load during the fall and concentrate on football.

They make it up in the Summer.

Im sure thats not the case though at Tech …. blah blah blah Academics…. blah blah blah.

Its not like 90 percent of the football players aren’t majoring in the same thing…. ” Management “