3 thoughts about Georgia Tech

Ken…who owns the post-game news conference media? I haven’t been able to access it via ramblinwrecktube, ramblinwreck.com, or the GT Athletics podcast. Is there a delay in posting these, or are these owned by the fan pay sites…since that’s the only place I’ve seen it exist?

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FL-VT lost…#1-short cross overs like the a-backs used on the 2nd TD, safeties were in…#2, needed 1 more DB & LB…#3, i guess we will see Vad if Tevin gets hurt, like we only saw Tevin when Josh got hurt-got to be more flexible with who we use…good work, Ken…Tevin did better in the 2nd half till he(literally) threw the game away in the OT-but was he in pistol then?

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[...] 3 thoughts about Georgia TechAtlanta Journal Constitution (blog)In the loss to Virginia Tech, no passes were completed to the Georgia Tech wide receivers. By my cursory count, I had four “targets” to wide receivers that were incomplete. If memory serves, I think only one of them had much of a chance, a deep ball …Virginia Tech Hokies Football: What We Learned from Win over Georgia TechBleacher ReportAustin Peay-Virginia Tech PreviewYahoo! SportsVirginia Tech edges Georgia Tech in OTBaxter BulletinSB Nation -News & Observer -The Virginian-Pilotall 814 news articles » [...]

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While I really do hope that the Jackets defense is greatly improved it was pointed out a few months ago on ESPN.com that the Hokie Pokies have one of the least experienced O-Lines in all of college football this season. The Tech front 7 should of dominated this game, they were going up against folks that were still trying to figure out what they were supposed to be doing.

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Great article Ken,

Point 1. Our offense is going downhill at full speed. The lack of talent is increasing due to inept recruiting. I have said this over and over, we have a QB that would have problems starting for Georgia Southern. Pathetic.

Point 2. Our Defense is maybe a little better, but not anywhere close to good. A good defense does not let an average offense run down the field with 44 seconds left to tie the game. Same old same old.

Point 3. Our triple flop of an offense made their defense look good. Period..

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gt4ever is about as big a gt fan as the wne troll is. sad that these guys spend so much of their lives on the GT blogs.

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People were clamoring for a shorter passing game, and they got it. The deep ball has to hit twice a game to make the offense work. Period.

As for the defense, they played well. I will never understand why DCs change their strategery in the last moments of a game. The soft zone we played on their last drive killed us. They looked much improved, though.

As Johnson said last year, let’s not bury this team just yet.

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I agree Ken. Its way too early to tell how many moral victories Georgia Tech will notch this year. We’ll have to sit back and see what excuses and rationalizations Tech fans come up with as the season progresses. While their rhetoric is often very tired and predictable, they’ve been known to throw a few curve balls here and there. That’s why they play the games I suppose.

Thanks.

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It is not an omen, it is a given fact that GT has been extremely soft against the passing game for the past three years (including this one). The trend has been set for some time now. On 3rd and long, it is imperative that you rush the passer and the pass defenders come up and get between the receivers and the quarterback. You are placing odds that you can either intercept the ball or get to the QB before he can find a good target. Since the QB is looking for just enough yards for a first down, it is worth the odds to play the receivers tight and between them and the QB.

ahsoisee

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There are those who react to headlines and those who respond to trend lines. I am a believer in CPJ.

1. VA Tech has what most observers believe as their best D in many years.
2. GA Tech has potentially an improved D, finally.
3. UGA lost their opening 2 games last year then went on a 10 game winning streak and every body thought they hung the moon with 10 in a row.
4. GA Tech, surrounded by UGA, Clemson, SC, FL, AU, AL, and TN will NEVER out recruit these schools for various reasons. Beating these schools on talent will be impossible. Coach’s that have been nationally successful at Tech, took full advantage of long honeymoon periods (lower expectations), red shirted, stock piled and then had a peak years (ie Bobby Ross). Then Tech becomes depleted and the cycle continues. CPJ coaching ability and scheme gives us a chance with less talent, pure and simple.
5. I believe it is time for us Tech fans to see Vad Lee on the field. Hopefully against Presbyterian, we will see him.

GA Tech

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gt4ever. you are a whiny little puzzy of a fan. I’ll be at the Presby game with Supersize if you want me to say it to your face.

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If they improve their passing game they will be dangerous this year. Also the secondary needs to improve. Not calling any names but their were numerous times where the corner was burnt and a lot of missed tackles. Also I think Bostic played a great game. He should get more touches.

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POAD Fan dwagfan

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Can some expert tell me how many times Tech actually ran the option and how many times the B back got the ball on a predetermined call?

Can anyone explain that timeout call at the end of the first half? What was the intent? Did someone actually think Tech would hold (with 2 seconds) and possibly force a punt (with magic results like a return for a TD?)

Can anyone explain why a coach would not punt from his own end of the field and consided (tried actually) punting with three min left in the game (while behind in the score)? Coach is like a sine wave.

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Let’s keep it real. TW did not throw the game awy. VT scored on its last 3 possessions. They went ahead 14-10 after two long pass plays against the DEFENSE. TW marched GT down the field and converted on 2 third down plays and 1 fourth down play and then the go ahead TD with 44 seconds to go. Most DEFENSES can handle 44 seconds but the GT defense allowed VT to march down the field and tie the game…then, TW throws interception. Game over??? No!!! just play good DEFENSE and force a long field goal, but two plays later against the DEFENSE VT is on our 1 yard line.The final three VT drives were on the DEFENSEnot TW. Lay off the kid. He put us in position to win. the DEFENSE collapsed pure and simple.

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our talent level is not good. O Smith is the only playmaker we have. Our other starters look undersized and slow

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I agree Ken, I can handle a loss to a very good team on the road. All is not lost.
We are still in the hunt.

Bostic looked real good
J Hunt-Days played real nice
Special Teams did good
Defense did real good
OL ok when Shaq and Uzzi are on the field at same time.
Perkins looked good then no carries after 1st series, what was up with that. Lasky and Sims didn’t look any better yet they kept playing

S Day looked real good his one play, one mised block rom taking it to the house, made play look so easy, yet TW make every play look so hard

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NO Fred & no Louis for PC blue hose.

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gt4ever, i’ll accept your word that you’re truly a tech fan.

everyone is entitled to their opinion.

i disagree with you on CPJ killing this program but i think this season will define his legacy.

a tough loss to a great VT defense doesn’t ruin this season by any means.

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Trolls gonna troll…

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Www you are right! Pj already “killed” the program!!!

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So the question on the table is why does GT not recruit as well as VT, UGA and others?

There are many reasons for this and none of them are going to change. I have this argument with GT fans and non GT fans a lot. GT is never ever going to recruit anywhere near the same level as UGA and usually won’t get close to a team like VT either. Accept it and be happy that we can still somewhat compete or live in agony waiting for GT to turn into football factory which will never happen.

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The D was much improved !!!

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We took Virginia Tech to Overtime at their place. Unless the expectation is 12-0, I don’t see how we are vastly getting out-recruited by them.

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Ken, the problem was worse than only 4 passes were throw to WR’s, but to the best of my recollection, only 1 of those passes went for over 10 yards over the line of scrimmage, meaning VA Tech’s DB’s had no incentive to back off and play pass coverage downfield. Now corners could provide run support on the outside, and safeties could step up and help stop middle runs with LB’s or cover A-Backs one-on-one as they went in motion and also provide run support to that side, and allow the oth safety to stay on the other side of the field with the other A-Back.Even if you overthrow deep passes or out of bounds 40 yards downfield, you keep the DB’s honest.

Even out of the pistol formation Tevin Washington threw to the outside receivers or underneath; nothing deep to back the DB’s back off the LoS. If he’s afraid to throw downfield, three are two QB’s behind him who should have been brought in and given their shot.

I never thought I would have said this, but I read this on one of the sites and I agree with it…for the first time that he’s been on campus, I think Paul Johnson played not to lose rather than played to win. This was Chan Gailey’s problem. I can’t believe Paul Johnson threw in the towel and let VA Tech’s defense dictate his offense because his QB was timid.

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One thing I would add to the points per possession stat is looking at where VT started some of their drives. They had 4 drives that started at their own 44 year line or better and only one of those drives ended in a score. It was nice to see the defense step up when the offense put them in a bad position.

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Three thoughts?

1. Fire CAG now!! Cut bait and hope the team can recover

2. Hire a “D” coach that knows what he is doing.

3. Have Washington learn what a reciever is and who is teammates are.

That will fix up the problem.

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FL Jacket…….this team looks and plays like a team that knows it is going to get beat! 12-0 is what CPJ is supposed to make the team think can be accomplished! Same old song and dance!! You get xtra time to prepare for this offense and it is always going to struggle. This team and coach are not worthy of uniforms from the institute! It is or is becoming the laughing stock of college football!

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Most of Tech’s stops came on errant throws or drops by VT. They caught ‘em when the game was on the line and the D folded like a cheap suit. I’ll reserve judgement on how much improved the D is.

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I used to believe in this offense. Now I am getting tired of it. Is it Tevin or the system ? We probably will never get the chance to know. I was a fan of CPJ, now I question his calls. This is big time football not Navy and Army!!!

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Silly mutts, what do you expect out of the GT football team? What would be an acceptable level of play to you?

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GT looks improved from last year, never right a team off based on the first game.Over half the teams who played need to get better and will.

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FL Jacket – agree with you on the recruiting rankings – sort of like customer satisfaction scores where you can skew based on hitting certain customers up for input at desingated times. It’s about depth and my concern was how we got ourselves into a game of this magnitude only having 14 “servicable” defensive players in the rotation. Knowing that 3 were suspended is one thing, but when Groh says he only trusts 14 guys, what the heck is all the other “talent” we have doing on the roster – are they just filling uniforms? That is what bothered me the most on Monday. Thst said, the D gave a great effort until the final drive before OT – a few tired missed tackles and some nice footwork byt their receivers.

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GT will never recruit as well as the other major schools in the southeast. Unless I misread the report, we once again got left off the party school rankings. While you can get a great education at UGA or any of the football factories, a large percentage of the students are there for a good time and if they don’t succomb to alcohol poisoning – perhaps a bachelor’s degree in 5 or 6 years. While we have created majors geared toward athletes, No one goes to Tech to party – period and this will always limit the pool of 4&5 stars available.
I like the character of the recruits we have, including TW. That being said , I strongly believe we will see Vad on the field more. Yes i think CPJ played not to lose against VT – not a bad idea on the road against a top ten D with receivers who had no game experience – and it almost worked. I am still mildly optimistic AND realistic about our season, say 9&3, with better things in 2013.

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Collegeballfan: Even during the Jim Donnan era (during which Coach O’Leary won 3 straight years against UGA), UGA out recruited us. We weren’t pulling 4* and 5* recruits by the boat loads. Actually, we have been getting better rated players under Coach Gailey and Johnson when compared to the coach O’Leary era and we know those were some really good teams that O’Leary fielded towards the end of his tenure.
Some GT fans I think are delusional. Our program historically is a .500 program (.575 if you count the 1890-1930 era). Since when did we expect to win double-digit games per season? Since when were we expected to pull in boatloads of 4* and 5* recruits? Perhaps a LONG time ago we were such a program but we are a couple generations removed from that. Our AD understood our reality and that is why I believe CPJ is our coach. A guy who can try and win without having to pull 4* and 5* recruits.
This Tech fan realizes we didn’t have any playmakers to compete against a top-notch defense like VaTech’s and it would have been nice to have 4*/5* playmakers on the field but even without that, we were 44 seconds away from victory against a team that typically is the top-dog in the ACC. I think that’s respectable.

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i wish the jackets the best against the blue hose of presbyterian college. but it may be close.

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The D did improve but for some reason couldn’t stop VT when it counted. Some GT fans have brought the Dave Braine school of thought, you are being bambozalled!!! I understand th limitations but Giff and Chan recruited Dywer, Morgan, Burnett and others. But CPJ and some GT fans just are so quick to assume GT can’t get top players. I bet is they brought Giff back as DC the recruiting would take off. They may not out recruit UGA, they don’t have to, The state is loaded with prospects, touching states have pospects. CPJ is who he is but he has to put a few high hype guys who can recruit and a passing Coor. around him he will win, the man is a great Coach but he is his own worst enemy. Vandy and others are killing GT in this statye.

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Considering we don’t practice down field passing, why is it a suprise there were no pass completions in the game? Shocking I know….

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Gtbob….i dont care what theoverall record is but gt needs to beat vt uga miami and win a damn bowl game

If we win all of those games every year then we would be an 11-12 win team every year. What has GT ever done to make you think that is even possible?

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GTBob…troll logic

“If you only won the games you lost you’d be a better program”

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CAG and CPJ are both overpaid.Our defense never has a shut-down mentality.Great teams own the fourth quarter.They sack the quarterback and don’t make excuses.

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To all of you thinking we will not win games are Season Ticket Holders I will take your tickets off your hands so you will not have to sit through watching a Paul Johnson team.
POST all you want to cry and complain but GIVE ME YOUR TICKETS so you don’t have to Waste your time at the games.

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Gtbob….it is obvious you accept the fact gt will win very few games against these opponents? Why pay someone millions when you can pay someone much less to lose those games? This is pathetic train of thought!!! Hire somwone who can get it done Period!

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Johnson just said Fred will not play and that was it.

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On expectations – I personally would rather see us occasionally go to a BCS bowl and average 8 or 9 wins rather than getting recruits who get caught with guns without serial numbers. While our players have had a few off field issues, they pale in comparison to most of the football factories.

I dont think CPJ and Groh are perfect but I am willing to give them a few more seasons. I really think Vad or Justin will turn things around at QB in the near future.

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I have NEVER been to a FREE High School Football game. I guess Stupid Mutt is a SPED student or Tommy Nobis employee/day student.

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5150 why do you have to be season ticket holders to express an opinion

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Thanks to Chan Gailey and CPJ our bowl record has become lousy.It had been a source of pride for GT fans.

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5150 , agree with you on starting Tevin at Lane, noted such in an earlier post. But now think we will see more options at QB – and also getting the WR’s more involved.

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Why did the B backs get nothing all night? Cause the box was stuffed because our QB is a non-threat. Any defense will gladly make TW beat them as opposed to A or B backs.

Kid is slow. Kid can’t throw with ANY kind of zip. His completions last night were wobbly ducks. The most important completion (that 4th down) was a busted play where the receiver improvised and got open.

Time for Vad.

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Welcome Back 5150!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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The trolls and keyboard coaches are out in force this week……..

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Jacket Man, I see the D the same way as you do. I feel like the D was not as bad last year as some people viewed them. The O has to show some life. STs are good if CPJ would stay out of their huddle. The WRs should have a big game Saturday. I’ll be there. ” GO JACKETS “

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Thank you George, I’m a big fan of a guy that shows that much character and poise.

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OldSchoolTechFanatic
September 5th, 2012
1:22 pm

5150 why do you have to be season ticket holders to express an opinion
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You don’t but IF you don’t PAY $$$$$ to see the game or pay $$$$$ to the GTAA then running your mouth has no effect. If you are tech GRAD I would think you are SMART enough to know that.
If you are crying to get rid of Johnson and don’t have MONEY to withhold until a change is made then you are just pissing up a drain pipe.

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GT Joe
September 5th, 2012
1:47 pm

George Stein: “He made a mistake in OT, those things happen”? Seriously?

Okay, nobody plays perfect, but a mistake that costs a team the game is NOT acceptable. Not at any level of football. Period.
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Go be a 35:55minute MURRAY and UGA cause Murray has done the SAME THING in Big games but people think MURRAY is a Heisman candidate and the SEC’s best QB.

LEE TY.

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Not sure what the Aaron Murray point is, but when you win 10 games in a season, you get some leeway.

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The crowd was insane at Lane – not a place to start Vad and very likely have him lose confidence.I predict Vad will see significant pt – at least a half – this weekend, and then the qb competion will start.

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First, if Tech had held on and won, you guys would be praising everybody on the team and staff to the hilt. But because we lost in such a depressing manner, when we had it won, then all you can find is negatives about everybody. It’s sickening and ubelievably hypocritical

Tevin had a decent game; the one very positive thing that can be said about him is that he is a leader. Vad and maybe Synjyn too probably have more overall talent, but are any of you really stupid enough to think that with zero (Vad) and limited (Synjyn) game experience, either of them could have done any better? Well, yes, apparently several idiots DO think that, but I sure don’t.

You guys forget all too soon that, even though he panicked in OT and threw that horrible interception, he also led us down the field on that awesome drive that should have won the game. I hope Vad or Synjyn (or the freshman Thomas next year) can hone their talents and lead us to great things, but for now, TW is the QB.

The defense was great for most of the game, but WHY WHY WHY go to the damn Prevent Defense on VT’s final drive??? The only thing the Prevent Defense has EVER done for ANYBODY is to prevent the team running from winning the game. And lest some of you forget, Ted Roof, George O’Leary, and Jon Tenuta ALSO ran the Prevent Defense at times, and it never worked for them either.

Some glaring weaknesses Monday night that I DID see though were that nobody blocked very well. When Synjyn came in for that one play, if Simms had blocked, Synjyn would have had lots of yards and possibly a TD. The wide receivers never blocked, making the outside game not nearly as effective as it should have and could have been. The line didn’t block well enough for those (WAY TOO MANY) dive plays to do much good. And, Tevin (or maybe CPJ—who knows?) appeared too many times to decide ahead of time what he was going to do. And when he appeared to be deciding as the play develops, he often took too long to make his decision. Nevertheless, as I said, he DID lead us down the field, eating up the clock, to what should have been the winning TD.

I may have more thoughts later, but that’s my thinking right now

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GT Joe

I not buying what your selling. CPJ plays TW because he feels that he is the best option for us to win this year. CPJ’s career is based on winning. No matter how much you may like a player, the best player plays. Vad Lee has yet to play a down of college football and CPJ must feel he is not ready.

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This is pathetic train of thought!!! Hire somwone who can get it done Period!

We hire someone who gives us the best chance to win period. We don’t have more talent then the UNCs, NC States, and UVAs of the world but we usually beat them. Beating them most of the time and sneaking in a few wins against the more talented teams is in my opinion the most we can hope for on a consistent basis and it requires a good coach to do it. There is no magical coach who can come in and turn us into the top 5 program you seem to expect us to be. That would take more than a coach, it would take an entire shift of philosophy by the Institute.

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@ Tech Troll 13…….do you REALLY think that Vad Lee was ready to start his first ever college game against a team like VT AT their place? Please give us the rationale behind such thinking

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Supersize and chas: Yeah, if the game ended with 44 seconds to go, then TW would have had a mistake free game. Unfortunately, it didn’t work out that way. No game works out that way.

That OT mistake was no less boneheaded than Attaochu’s personal foul last year. NO LESS.

“made a couple of excellent throws on the last drive”? Come on guys. Those throws were NOTHING special. Hitting the receiver wide open in the flat for the TD (ball was a floater a little behind the receiver, but caught nonetheless), and hitting a receiver on the 4th (where the receiver was the star, not the QB, for getting open on a busted play)? Is this what we’ve come to? Praising these kinds of QB plays?

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But starting him this saturday IS the right thing to do.

I don’t know if he should start or not but he should certainly play the majority of the game. There is no real reason for Tevin to play extended time this weekend.

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Supersize: how bout you give your rationale on why Vad WASN’T ready to start at Lane.

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If we had been playing the likes of Presbyterian at home, then MAYBE, but certainly NOT at Lane Stadium, or any other home stadium of a ranked opponent. I went to the Spring game, and frankly, what I saw there was that Vad was not comfortable (YET) running the offense. Did he have some good plays? Yes, a couple. But overall, he really didn’t look that good. Will he in time? HOPEFULLY YES. But he’s not there yet.

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Y’all played a good game. We all have our weaknesses..(even you, my old buddy Supersize from Augusta.) In the type offense you run, the quarterback, no matter who he is, takes a “whoopin”"! It is almost like he must be more of an athlete than a skilled, true QB. This is okay in some cases, but if you get to where REAL true QB skills are needed, it can present a problem. However, in any offense there are strengths and weaknesses. If you don’t have something like an RGIII runnin’ the show, the lack of QB skills shows. The average “skilled” (if I may) QB might not survive the beating he would have to take in the triple option. However, I reckon’ I can’t say to much. Against a weak Buffalo team, our QB overthrew wide open receivers several times…………………

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Supersize: interesting factoid. Every QB in the NCAA has a “first play” at some point in his career.

Here’s what I can tell you: TW has no playmaking experience whatsoever, and he has had 14 games to show it. Vad either is equal to or greater than TW in playmaking ability (and we know which it is).

Ask yourself this question: Would Donald Trump have fired TW by now?

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@ GT Joe…..Were you at the Spring game? Vad Lee didn’t show me then that he had (YET) any more play-making ability than TW. Actually, Synjyn showed me more of that quality in the Spring game, but he fumbled too many times.

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JOE………….SMOOTH? You don’t know what a Smooth Running Offense should look like?

Take your wife’s butt and use a belt sander on it for an hour or 2 and you will know what Smooth is maybe.

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@ GT Joe……of course, every QB in the NCAA has a “first play” at some point. But how many can you name me whose “first play” came against a ranked opponent (not to mention, major rival) AT their stadium? Name me one, please.

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GT Joe
September 5th, 2012
2:16 pm

Supersize: interesting factoid. Every QB in the NCAA has a “first play” at some point in his career.
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Please POST SOME FACTS on the FIRST PLAYS by QB’s as they relate to the magnitude of the GT v VPI game where is was not due to injury or graduation.

When was Tevin’s FIRST PLAY?

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Supersize: Tevin Washington had 3 plays vs. an FBS team before being thrown into the fire AT LANE STADIUM. LOL.

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@ GT Joe……your point being??? TW was “thrown into the fire” that year because Nesbitt was lost. There was no choice but to put him in. That is not at all what we are talking about. I want you to name us ONE QB in the NCAA who has been VOLUNTARILY used as the STARTER in a major game AT the opponent’s field.

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Supersize: such a silly argument you have. 1st, almost no NCAA teams start the season in a major conference game.

But if you are saying that this has never ever happened in the history of the NCAA, you are a fool.

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Ken…from what I can recall Washington has never won a gain coming from behind? Once he does that will move him to the next level. He had his chance against VT and OT dd him in. Can you confirm this about Tevin?

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Supersize…I understand you are a passionate GT fan which I respect very much. However, this team has not progressed in several years and is NOT getting any better. It’s the same song and dance game after game. Had we won the game would I have been happy…..sure. Here’s the fact though…we didn’t….AGAIN. This offense (with talent) works against certain teams but not against ANY good teams. You can’t lose to your divisional rival every year, your state rival every year, UNC every other year, Miami every year, and UVA every other year and all of your bowl games. You can blame those losses on the offense, defense, special teams, home field advantage or whatever you want. It still doesn’t change the fact that you LOST those games. How many darn times do we have to watch the DIVE PLAY over and over? It doesn’t work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We cannot pass the ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We cannot play defense on 3rd or 4th down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The defense cannot hold a lead!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! It’s time for a change. It’s time for you to stop making excuses. If you accept loserville just say it! I would be happier to hear you say it than continue to make excuses for someone being paid millions of dollars for mediocrity ever darn year!

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JOE is a FOOL……………like I said name first time starters that did good in the same or equal environment. TEVIN did GREAT in LANE when Nesbitt went down. He did better than expected and again just a better pass and he beings Tech back for a win.

Picking a local you might know

LOOK what a SR first time started did on a similar stage
2009
Sat, Sept 5
UGA with COX
@
#9 Oklahoma State
L24-10

2010
UGA with MURRAY
Sat, Sept 4
vs
Louisiana-Lafayette
W55-7

Sat, Sept 11
UGA with MURRAY
@
#24 South Carolina
L17-6

WOW 35:55minute MURRAY the BEST QB in the SEC and Heisman Candidate was beat ON THE ROAD AGAINST A RANKED TIME in his 2nd start but VAD was ready for VPI?

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@ Silly Mutts…..we have beat UNC the last 3 years in a row

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This weekend will prove nothing with Vad other than game experience and will be a “told you so game” for all the Negative Ned’s out there. If he excels it will be “look who they played” if he does not perform- “he is not ready” ….so let’s look at this game for experience only for Vad if he is given a chance to play.

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@Supersize re @GTJOE….yes Tevin was thrown into the game because of Nesbitt and that is the point. He wasn’t a good enough QB then and he still isn’t a good enough QB now! It’s time to play big boy ball and get rid of the TO. Quit defending it because it doesn’t work!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! When you have xtra time to prepare for the TO we lose…period!!! See EVERY bowl game.

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@ GT Joe- I live here in PA and I will tell you….There is no expectations other than getting through the season at Penn St. and trying to make .500 season. And Oregon played the powerhouse ARK ST.

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@Supersize Okay how about NC State? 1-1, Kansas 1-1 etc.

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I know they are young men. I know there are many real reasons to believe this might become a good team, and as many real reasons to think this season will be no more rewarding than last year or the year before. I have been rooting for Tech since 1955, and I will continue to do so, so please do not say I am not a real fan. All that said, here is what I know:

I have seen that game before.

Again and again and again.

And I am tired of it.

Whether we need better players, better coaches, or both, I am tired of losing most of the difficult, important games on our schedule. Our records against Georgia, Virginia Tech, Miami, and Bowl Games make it difficult to believe things will improve with these coaches and this level of players. We have done well against Clemson, for sure, but otherwise, our recent seasons are disappointing. I am not a college coach, nor do I have any miracle insights into the game, but I know what I can see. Right now – and I emphasize right now – this assembly of coaches and players just is not very good. To all of you who want to say how close we were, and how good Va Tech is, and so on and so forth, I have one question: Do we need to put another number next to wins and losses? Moral victories? Because that’s what you are advocating. I realize I am old school in my opinions, but we lost. Period. We lost because we played poorly when it counted most, and because we coached badly when it counted most.

I’ve seen that game before. And I’m tired of it.

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@Supersize…true we didn’t run the TO but we still used the formation until we switched to the Pistol. I would prefer we just pitch to the outside all game instead of running the dive play over and over. If you are going to pick one of the two plays to run over and over that is. I just can’t figure PJ out. I really thought we would see something different, some new twist but nada. I just don’t think this offense can do what it used to anymore especially without any decent players.

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GT Fan and Supersize: hate to break it to you, but there is WAY more pressure on a freshman QB at #5 Oregon than at GT right now. They will be in much higher profile games than us this season.

But since no team has EVER started a freshman at a ranked team’s stadium, than clearly we should never do that either.

For that matter, since Mormon has ever been elected president, we shouldn’t do that either.

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wow, Super, once you get rolling…i ask things here not to wash laundry in public, but because i want Ken’s view, & i hope he will pass them on-if CPJ wants to avoid criticism, winning would help, but i was asking Doug the first year why Josh didn’t drop back to pass every once in a while, just to make it a little more complex, plus sometimes you NEED to pass…Vad in instead of Days, when Days is practicing at A-? Bostic throws, instead of Days? Orwin goes out, leaving Days the biggest A-, & he doesn’t play?

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Hey guys, you know what: let’s stick with TW all season. I like the pain. CLOSE is good enough for us tech fans right!?

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Supersize: PSU didn’t have much choice? How about a senior QB with experience? Your ignorance is showing.

Now go prove there is a god: until then, I’m right.

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Supersize….I believe those years UVA had much more talent than they do now. (Schaub, Barber bros etc). Look, I know we are going to lose some games and I get that trust me. However, to lose in the same fashion with the same calls on offense and no defense when it matters most. GT needs imagination on offense. I like Fridge in that role! Get rid of Johnson and let him go back to Navy with all the other coaches. Fridge will happily oblige GT. I just don’t get running players around in the backfield all the time and handing the ball to a slow b-back with no blockers other than the pathetic, over-hyped O-Line GT has… Did we even run the midline option to help with blocking? No!

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Super: problem is, TW will NOT fail. He will manage the game, make 1 major mistake per game (which might end up costing us the game), and he will live to start another game.

And the apologists will still be on the blogs saying “but he only make ONE mistake!”

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OREGON has a weak schedule as compared to talent that have.

Arkansas State
Fresno State
Tennessee Tech
Arizona
@Washington State
Washington
@Arizona State
Colorado
@#2 USC
@California
#25 Stanford
@Oregon State

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@ Silly Mutts……That is BS….Tech was favored every one of those years and still lost. And you say “no defense when it counts.” Like I said earlier, Tech for unknown, ungodly reasons went to the “prevent defense” on that final series, just like O’Leary, Roof, Tenuta, and probably every other DC Tech has had in my lifetime. It didn’t work for any of those coaches, and it didn’t work Monday. Other than that STUPID decision by Groh, I have no problem or complaint with Monday night’s defense, other than a few individual, unconnected plays

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Thanks UOAD, one more requirement:

5. Schedule cannot be weak compared to the talent on said QB’s team.

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Joe have some brownies from the UGA cafeteria…they should mellow you out a little bit…..

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I’d be careful what I say about Paul’s offense. He might punch you in the face.

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@ Super….go back and look at the game tape. VT had receivers running open ALL night! At least twice on short completed passes VT had players wide open 20 yards behind them. It wasn’t GT’s defense it was VT’s offense that I promise you!

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Lovely. Express an opinion about some lousy play, and get called a UGA fan. How insulting.

Sadly, losing like this so many times has numbed us into thinking “but he only made one mistake all game!”

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What would it hurt to put someone in at TE, Perkins/Laskey at FB and Orwin Smith at RB? If you are just going to line up and run the ball up the middle at least get some blocking in there!

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Tevin is not that bad of QB but he is not that great either. Name another major college team he could start for. We should have gotten Vad in a few games last year. Last year we wasted that chance. Could have gotten some game experince last year !!!!!!!!!!!1

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@ Silly Mutts……the difference though is that last year, we couldn’t even capitalize against lousy offenses. We did Monday night: we actually tackled for the most part (never saw many tackles last year), we DID apply pressure on Thomas and actually got to him at least once (I have heard twice, but I only remember one). The D WAS better than last year, no matter what the quality of their O.

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JOE what do the think the chances are that a Red Shirt Freshman QB starting AT HOME against a top 25 gator team will win?

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I think Thomas got sacked for a 10 yard loss and a 1 yard loss (sack b/c behind the line of scrimmage). I still think GT’s defense is not good on 3rd downs. I just don’t see it getting any better this year. As for the offense, if we keep running the dive play over and over like we did in this game and all of last year, we will not score enough against anyone.

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Should have read “Opponents”

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@ Silly Mutts…….I can’t remember any year in recent memory where Tech didn’t get burned on 3rd and long 75% of the time. 3rd and short we could cover; 3rd and long, almost never. I agree about the dive play. If the line ain’t blocking, it is not going to work. I didn’t think TW would ever pitch the ball Monday night. I don’t know if that was his call or CPJ’s, but the CONTINUOUS use of that dive play sucked big time.

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Matt Barkley. USC TRUE Freshman QB in 2009 (unlike Vad, a RS Freshman). 2nd start was AT THE HORSEHOE, Ohio State University, which puts Lane to shame. Led the game-winning drive in front of 110,000 people. Close enough? or did the week 1 win vs. San Jose State prepare him for the horseshoe?

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@ Joe…..OBVIOUSLY week one helped.

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Matt Barkley was also an All-American- These are exceptions and not the Norm of any college.

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Lee, I totally agree. IF Synjyn can avoid the fumbles, I would want him in there first, and then Vad…..at least until Vad can prove he can run the option

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Vad was a better passer in high schoolthan Tevin is after 2plus years as a starter. But I guess CPJ is scared he might try to run it up the middle most of the time.

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I would have to say he is not ready meaning Vad- CPJ was quoted when TW came in for Nesbitt “he did not come here to sit on the bench” I just think if he was CPJ would be playing him- So CPJ must feel TW is the best choice for the team to win.

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OldSchool he had considered transferring only because he was HOMESICK, not because he was being redshirted……

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Thanks UOAD: let me add one more requirement:

#7: there must be more than 1 example, and the sample set must be “small”, whatever that means.

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Every QB who has come out of a HS that runs the option has said the CPJ’s is more complex and faster than what they are use too.

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Joe I’m only saying that some kids are groomed for the moment over others and have more talent.

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You are comparing an All-American from USC to VAD LEE? REALLY—–

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@ Joe…..actually I only asked for ONE example. The Mark Barkley example doesn’t exactly meet the requirements I proposed. It IS, however, a decent example, that I had not remembered. However, I would imagine that it would be easier for Barkley to fit into the USC offense than it would be for an untested QB to fit into CPJ’s offense. Not adding that as a criterion, but I DO think it’s true. Another similar example more close to home is Mike Kelley at Tech. He didn’t start the season in 1978, but he DID become the starter and turned out to be one of the best passing QB’s in Tech history.

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STARTERS AT VPI

1 Gotsis
2 Kallon
3 Vad
4 D Andrews
5 L Griffin
6 DJ White
7 Hunt-Days
8 Marcordes
9 Stargel
10 Layson
11 Harrell
12 Scott

That is a all RSF or F on D and Vad as the RSF QB

Please put that team on the grass at LANE and let me mortgage my home on that bet.

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JOE JOE JOE…….I am not saying that TW should STAY at QB. I am only saying that Vad was in all likelihood NOT READY to start AT VT. Synjyn might have been, but I guess he was not enough better than TW in practice to merit that. But, as I said earlier, Vad really didn’t show much in the Spring game that would indicate that he was ready, and I doubt the 4 months since then have resulted in that much improvement for him

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Joe, I didn’t say that Vad should not have started BECAUSE no other QB had ever done that. I just said that I thought that any coach would probably be foolish to do so, and that I couldn’t think of any other case anywhere where it had been done. My MAIN reason for not starting Vad over TW is that Vad hasn’t proved he can do it yet. You are basing everything you say on TW’s weakness, without knowing anything at all about what Vad can do, other than what you have read about his HS career.

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@GT Lee….then what does that say about Johnson? Either way its a LOSS AS USUAL against VPI. He recruited these guys remember! If they can’t get it done it still comes back on Johnson.

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The final score of the Ohio State-USC game was 18-15, GT Joe. It isn’t like Barkley set the world on fire. USC finished that season 9-4.

Look, you’re entitled to your opinion. I will ask the same question I always ask, though: who should we hire? You must be able to finish your thought.

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Could we all agree that if CPJ thought Vad was better he would have started? I will agree with Super that I think Days will start before Vad.

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George, you are late to the party. If you read any of my posts, you would know that I’m not calling for CPJ to get fired.

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lot of debate here because we only needed one play extra to go our way & we win…

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Bi Cri………….I am going to have to B-Slap you for that post about getting Napoléon….Saban.

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Joe, yes, we missed tackles, but part of that was because the prevent defense puts the defenders in places where too many adjustments have to be made to get to the ball carrier. If we had played the same defense we had played the rest of the game, I have no doubt whatsoever that we would have stopped them and won the game.

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JOE you are WRONG………..Prevent makes DEFENS an AREA of Grass and then close to make a tackle. Well if the pass is in the middle of the ZONE then the player has around 3 yards to make a catch and a move on the defender. VPI did that and got on GT’s side of the 50. yes the tackle was not make in a split second but that is what the Prevent D does allow for. Groh then went with a 5 man rush and yes we missed that tackle to get them inside the 10. The Fact that the Prevent D allowed VPI to get in FG range already is the part you are missing.

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Guys, this has actually been fun and somewhat cathartic, in spite of disagreements. But I have to get out of here for awhile. Joe, I think you and I both want nothing more than for Tech to win. I think some of your ideas are somewhat naive, but that’s ok. You probably think I am a big TW supporter and apologist, but I am not. I want the best man at QB; I just don’t know yet WHO the best man is. I was there at Tech when Dodd stunned everybody by yanking the “established” Stan Gann and starting then sophomore Billy Lotheridge because he knew Lotheridge was better. I would HOPE CPJ would do the same thing, but does he know yet who really is better? Do any of us truly know that? Time will tell. See you guys later

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BTW, before I go……IF any of us are getting together before the game Saturday, PLEASE let me know (most of you have my email address). I have been invited to another tailgate spot, so if UOAD can’t go to the game, I will probably go there. But we NEED to find a meeting place at some point.

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SUPER you doing the V tailgate this time? he sounds like a nice guy and a good spread. If I am going I will let you know and we can get a few buck to pay if we meet the new guy.

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UOAD, that is one of my options. I will email you about the other one. Don’t want to say it here.

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@ GT FAN IN PA…..thanks, and it was good to hear from you earlier. You need to remember that we are all alive down here for more than just football season. LOL

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wrong VIDEO sorry

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I know— I know- GT Joe- nice talking with you and hope to talk more soon-

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Super, you and others have indicated that Tech actually did not utilize the option very much. I kept watching and wondering why TW could read b back dive with that 300+ big guy just across from the Tech center. So perhaps those were predetermined. Which brings up a very interesting questiion….did TW make that call or did PJ? One of them seemingly then could qualify for one of those moments that make you go mmmmmmuuuummmmm.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNy17eG1j70

Joe 12:39 mark…..get back to me.

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UOAD: already seen it. That’s the video i was referencing. Do you not see the missed tackle at the 40? Defender was way to aggressive, didn’t break down, and got beat. next play: FG.

Can’t blame a prevent defense for a missed tackle (broken record).

Thanks for proving my point.

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I’d rather see 13-1 with Tevin…..

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nice dodge, lee

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UOAD: explain how a 5 man DL vs. 4 man DL prevents missed tackles? This should be interesting.

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actually, days would’ve come in handy at the end with his running power. none-the-less, one game at a time. we could’ve stole that game though.

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f l jacket this is not michigan and tw is sure not shoelace, tw need to be qb for morris brown or clark not gt

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I find it hilarious that Tevin vastly outperformed Denard Robinson’s performance against this Hokie defense…yet we’re calling for him to be replaced.

Talk about having some perspective…

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@ GT Lee

I’ve been working this afternoon. Thanks for saying everything I would have said. It is CPJ’s call, and I believe he is going to play the guy that gives us the best chance to win.

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The FUNNY & UGLY………….the woman that would sleep with dWagfan even with an AIDS test and $1000.00 up front.

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“I find it hilarious that FL Jacket is trying to compare VT to Bama”

dwagfan…I find it hilarious that you read my post and actually thought I said that.

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FL Jacket….Michigan won that game against VT who had much more than this year. We lost to VT last year and this year without all the talent VT had last year. GT sucks and is irrelevant in college football. You can watch a boring, overrated HS offense on Friday nights if you want to but I prefer to see a real coach and team play on Saturdays. Paul Johnson sucks and will always suck!

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I find it hilarious that dawgfan knows so much about poo.

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v.l. must have patience and show he can play. during the week is when he makes his mark. t.w. is fine but remember, he’s already got a degree so i’m pretty sure he’s not desperate and not going to the nfl. i love this. we have talent. but again what the heck with the O.L.?????

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everyone that’s a yellowjacket stay on the page. other’s go find your team if you even played ball.

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Ken posted a new blog on the injuries and 10 points

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Who was it earlier today who asked me what I thought about the uniforms? I forget to reply to that question

Anyway, I lked them except for the numerals. I didn’t like the numerals AT ALL. They looked like UNC blue from a distance, and that is NOT our color. The numerals should have been gold or black, or at the very least DARK blue

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Silly…..criticism by Tech fans is fine, as long as it’s based on some measure of logic and understanding of the game, and not blind hate-filled bias (like WnE). Criticism by fans of other schools (TROLLS) is not wanted or needed or legitimate

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FL Jacket
September 5th, 2012
9:49 am

Before people start bashing Tevin yet again, consider the following stat line that Denard Robinson of Michigan had against the Hokies in last year’s Sugar Bowl…

9-21, 117 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT
13 rushes for 13 yards

This just in…the Hokies have a pretty good defense.
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Weak @$$ excuse!

CPJ get paid a lot of money to out-scheme, out-recruit, and out-whatever inorder to beat talented teams.

To give CPJ a mulligan because the other team is has a good defense only shows how much damage that CPJ has done to GT FB.

I never heard GT fans give Gailey & Reggie Ball a “free pass” because the defense was really talented.

A lot of GT fans know deep down inside they were WRONG about CPJ, and when they “reach” for excuses like these they are just trying to convince themselves that maybe they were not wrong, but deep down inside they know.

Our genius HC and our genius players with high SATs should out-smart a better defense at some point, yet we are 3-14 vs. the big-4 on our schedule.

BTW that 3-14 was talked about on 3 different Sports talk radio shows here in the Atl. Area on yesterday, Mayhem in the AM on AM790, Chuck & Chernoff on AM680 in the Afternoon drive and in the mid-day on AM790 with the Stews & Hans whatever-his-name-is.

So for all the folks that dismiss this stat as WnE trolling, professional Sports Talk Radio guys in a Top-10 Media market are focusing on this same stat.

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@ Supersize…of course everyone would be singing TW’s praises if he completes that pass! But he didn’t and that’s the point. Why should he have to be completing a pass like that in overtime anyway? Why not score 21 points and you wouldn’t have to worry about overtime or a 44 second drive for a fg to tie the game. If this offense was as good as proclaimed by CPJ then it shouldn’t come down to a 3rd down overtime pass from TW.

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wish we had a tougher schedule. remember when we played auburn, lsu, alabama?? we will only get better when the comp is better. hello???? s.e.c. we can be better but i’m afraid the admn. is more focused of nasa and other brains. we have to have both sports and academics. there are kids out there that can do both. find them. GO TECH!!!

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@ Super….sorry I’m really fired up about this loss, the way GT lost, the complete ineptitude of the offense, the perceived growth of the defense by others and the future of GT football under the leadership of CPJ and cronies. Sometimes its hard for me to realize that its just football and not a life event. I really really want GT to be successful and would give anything reasonable to see that happen. I just don’t see it under CPJ and feel someone needs to point out the need for a change. I’m not one for ad hominems unless they are deserved and try to respect others who are in disagreement with me.

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It would be neat to see what Snoddy,Perkins,& Days could do out of the Alabama backfield.They would play with intensity and superior coaching.

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Nate…but those 3 losses are to VT, UGA and probably Clemson. I predict, however, we lose those games and more likely 4 more (Miami, UVA, UNC, BYU). 6 or 7 win season with CPJ’s supposed talent.

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guys, i like t.w. but macon you are right. put the best baller’s on the field. the coaches get paid for this. mutt, glad you calmed down. SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME ABOUT OUR O.L.? I’M COUNTING ON THEM.

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michael…….unless he is just a damn fool (and I DO NOT believe he is), I am convinced that CPJ is playing the QB who he BELIEVES is the best one on the team. Why would he play the second best QB? CPJ wants to win as much as any of us, and he sees these players every day of the week. If he says that, at least for now, TW is his best choice at QB, then I have no reason to believe otherwise.

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@ Super….if you are wrong and GT ends up with 6 or 7 wins, would you still consider PJ the answer? What kind of season, record wise, if any, would it take for you to get off the PJ train? What kind of record for the GT decision makers to get off the PJ train? Just curious.

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@Super If that’s true and we didn’t run the t.o. then that says one thing: he doesn’t have faith in his o-line. Plus b-back isn’t looking to good if Sims is the best we got. l dont understand pulling Laskey and not putting Perkins in after the dive started to work.

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@ Silly, if we end up with only 6 or 7 wins, then yes, I will say it’s time for a change.

Got to go eat dinner now, so I won’t see your response for about an hour. Please tell me what you think about what I just said though. TTYL

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@ “Silly” The fact GT stayed in the game with a Top 20 team and had a chance to win it with less than a minute left sez some pretty good things to me. Tech, being unranked holding a top 20 team to 17 points in regulation sez the defense has improved……Yeah TW shouldn’t have thrown the ball at all, but took the sack and let the team go for a FG……..but it is what it is.

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@ Super…I guess it also depends on how we lose the games too but that’s all I need to know. Unfortunately, I think CPJ has a lot to do to get to those 6 or 7 wins. It would be nice to be wrong this time! For the time being, I will stop the CPJ bashing…next up…….Groh!

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@ Stump…..it says that we can keep VT’s unproven offense out of the end zone except when it matters. Had VT played say Clemson I would bet Clemson wins 35-3 even without Watkins. I expected GT’s offense to be BETTER than the last 4 years because we have a senior QB who knows the system and we have “CPJ’s” recruits. None of this has been true and GT is much worse offensively than previously thought. I just don’t see this offense scoring more than 17 pts a game against ACC competition and that includes Duke and Maryland. I hope I’m wrong but I know I’m not.

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Who stole the T?

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@ superDwag…..who stole your brain?

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lower score same old D

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IF TEVIN IS THE BEST QB ON THE TEAM IS THAT HIS FAULT OR CPJ . WAS IT SUGGS FAULT HE PLAYED OR R.BALL NO. LAST TIME I CHECKED THESE KIDS ARE PICKED.BLAME SHOULD START AT THE TOP

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Flipping burgers all day making you crazy boy.
Tech will go 9-3 and beat UGA????
Maybe you work at Disney World with that comment

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Must be a sad, lonely life when all you have to do is go on other schools’ blogs and talk trash. I hear there is a bathhouse in downtown Atlanta where you might be able to get the kind of company you obviously need.

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it’s obvious you know more than you admit, because you are the one who turned what I said into a Sandusky-type thing. I never mentioned anything other than that there was a bathhouse; you decided for yourself what I might have been referring to. What does that say about you?

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GT Joe
September 5th, 2012
2:07 pm

Supersize and chas: Yeah, if the game ended with 44 seconds to go, then TW would have had a mistake free game. Unfortunately, it didn’t work out that way. No game works out that way.

That OT mistake was no less boneheaded than Attaochu’s personal foul last year. NO LESS.

“made a couple of excellent throws on the last drive”? Come on guys. Those throws were NOTHING special. Hitting the receiver wide open in the flat for the TD (ball was a floater a little behind the receiver, but caught nonetheless), and hitting a receiver on the 4th (where the receiver was the star, not the QB, for getting open on a busted play)? Is this what we’ve come to? Praising these kinds of QB plays?
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Have to disagree with you on that 4th-down conversion. That was a perfectly placed pass by TW–even if it was on a busted play.

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@super
Ive been catching up for an hour on this blog and want to say I agree with you about the “prevent” and posted so last night. My specific issue the GT Joe isnt getting is the fact we were playing 10 yards off the slot receiver who caught the slant on a 4th and 4!!! Even if the got a first down they run out of time. Yes GT Joe is right we missed the tackle but I say we should have been playing tighter. Dont know if that’s on the player or CAG.

With respect to TW vs VL:
TW plays because CPJ believes he on balance, reading the TO, ball security, leadership, decent runner, average passer although some improved, is the best chance with a limited number of possessions in a game that this O presents is the best chance for GT to win.
VL from what I saw at the spring game clearly has a lot of upside, most athletic QB since Shawn Jones, maybe ever and I go back to Lothridge. His run/pass skills look really good with size to boot. Moves like a jaguar with the ball. His RS year is done. CPJ says he will bring him along and I expect we will see a lot of VL this weekend. We have to get him to not have game killing turnovers running th TO that he would have to make up for with spectacular plays. When CPJ thinks that scale is tipped in VL favor he will see the field more and more.

All is not lost:
VT has to play at Clemson and home FSU and I think they loose both. Sorry to say there O was missing a lot of playmakers and to some degree made our D look maybe a little better than we were. Our D is better, but VT O isnt close to Clemson’s especially with Watkins. If we can somehow sneek by at Clemson and run the rest we get the last laugh in Charlotte. I know TALL ORDER!

Recruiting:
Class of 07 was nationally ranked #14— two years later we win ACC with Gaileys guys. Class of 12 and 13 is clearly better than 10-11 but not top 20. VL or maybe JT at QB may make up the difference in 13-14.

Passionate comments by alum are welcome, rest of you BUZZ off!

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Coach always has answers after the game and season. Never before the game or season. Its always a wait and see. I would think that this if you plan to win a game, conference or season you need to know something before instead of after.

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Formation-
VT has a really good D and Bud Foster had a really good scheme with weeks to prepare, we still almost won. If we dont see WINS after UVA and Miami — lets talk then.

Im out for the night–

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I think one big problem Monday was un-included rec’s. did not block well nor did blocking back. Those last year did well. How do we get 2 good DB’s. How do we get rid of the prevent defense.?

How do we get our Tech uni’s back.? Who do we fire first for them?

Gary Barfield from Russell called it the “new GT gold”, looks just like Boston College gold, crap?

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someone tell me please , what would happen if AD and Russell’s designer made similar changes to unis at AUB or ALA or OKLA or UCLA or USC or MICH or TX.???

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COLLEGE BALL——-is it really a case that GT doesn’t recruit the great players as well as georgy or like Bobby Dodd said they’d just rather go to an easier BIG STATE school, like FL, georgy, ALA and TX for instance. I do realize that non U. of “STATE” schools like FSU, CLUMPSON and AUB are getting the lions share so I just don’t know why. We have a helluva football history from beginning to now but the kids just don’t come. Coaching and recruiting at Tech must be oh so trying.
I love the Yellow Jackets, how bout you.?

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