Tech’s T.J. Barnes kicking it into gear

First?

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I like the attitude of this TEAM! TJ we are pulling for you. Lets see it all pay off.
Go Jackets— Cook the Turkey!
oh yea –am I first?

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OK WnE – please post your anti-tech anti-PJ crap now………

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I have seen the “light” go on in my own children, it can happen. I hope it has happened for TJ. Could be huge.

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After four years on campus he finally decides it’s time to become a football player. 6′7 340lbs built like tarzan plays like jane. I knew that cpj was horrible at developing qbs but this is a joke. Go ahead and call me a troll or whatever else makes you feel good but none of the name calling will help tech in the area of player development. And before you start making assumptions IM not a uga fan.

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4 years………I see nothing wrong with him finally becoming a starter. I am sure the coaches wanted him on the field before now. It is up to the player to get on the field. He is there now so Tech fans should enjoy the moment, TJ sure is!

Go Dawgs

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Can’t wait to see how this plays out. Barnes may make a huge difference on Tech’s squad this year. Holding on two more 3rd and shorts per game would be worth two more wins at least. I think Oman might be right. GREAT play from Barnes would probably be the most impactful improvement for the entire Tech squad, second is special teams. All things being equal to last year, if NT can become a strength of the D and ST can become a strength, I think 12 wins aren’t unreasonable.

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@ 4yrs, roughly half of all 5-star players are no longer playing football 4 years after high school graduation. While TJ was a 4-star coming out of high school, he still has one more year to prove his ranking was warranted. Even if he doesn’t, he’s never been arrested or suspended. That’s more than I can say for the 4- and 5-star players being recruited 80 miles northeast of Atlanta.

For what it’s worth, I’m convinced that Mr. Barnes has finally figured things out based on the fact that he’s convinced his opponents on the O-line and several of his coaches. We’ll know a lot more in 15 days.

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If he plays the way he did in the Clemson game, all will be fine. He was behind their line so much that night that he started receiving mail there.

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Back in early 70’s when I was at Tech, the only guy in Div 1 who was as tall as Barnes was Bubba Smith of Michigan State, and he was the biggest player in the US. He also was a good player b/c of his size. Guys that tall are hard to pass over for shorter qbs. If he is to b the rock in the D line, he has Rock Perdoni as a protege. Rock never had ANY problems with taller O lineman at his 5′11″, and was in the backfield all the time. I heard he did brickwork hauling wheelbarrows of bricks for his dad’s company over summers, pumping clay.

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He won’t touch the vt qb once. 2 sacks all season. Bunch of hoopla

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During his first drive, on second-and-20 from the 29, Tebow failed to hit a wide-open Stephen Hill in the end zone, skipping a pass off the turf which would have ended a Jets touchdown drought of more than 100 plays. Tebow had most of his passing success in the zero-to-10-yard range and did not show patience to wait for things to develop downfield.

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THWG!!

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@ 4 yrs……you may not be a troll or a dwag, but you’re definitely an idiot. CPJ can’t develop a QB??? TW may not be the kind of QB that YOU think he should be, and he’s certainly not a great passer nor as good overall as Nesbitt, but CPJ developed Nesbitt into a terrific TO QB, and he has developed TW into a SOUND TO QB and an on-the-field leader, regardless of his passing. Neither Nesbitt nor TW got there on their own.

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dry dirt road—-I remember the “Rock” very well. I too toted brick & mortar between my sophomore & junior year of high school. For 2 masons. $.50 per hour. But I was stronger & tougher for the football season and my opponents. Better than the weight room. Coaches edict==weight room or work. Since I had to work, might as well get paid, huh.

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@4 years

It’s really the kids responsibility to make it happen on the field… CPJ puts them in a position that they can be successful, the kid plays according to his gift or talent. Possible that this is another example of 4 star in high school not translating to 4 star D1 football player.. Not dissing the kid, but these are the realities… IMHO.

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Great work TJ. Keep it up. You can be as good as you want to be.

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He can’t 4 years because there is vey little improvement. Just look at the losses tw had in 2010 to 2011. The same teams. Lost to vt maimi and uga in 2010 and again in 2011. That says it all.

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@ Mock 1 – Too easy to blame TW for those losses. Go back and watch the games.

Oline and defense are more to blame. Tevin could have played better but there is NO WAY TEch would’ve beat Miami the last two years with those performances by the Oline and D. NFW

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MOCK 1 , you are a da, if he was losing to duke and wf, and mtsu, he would nt be the qb, if we were beating vt, uga, miami every year it wouldnt be with this defense.
do you even know where bobby dodd is?

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Back to TJ Barnes. The last really effective NT I can think of was Kevin Battle #98. He was a PLUG!

Blow it up, TJB!

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crackbaby, do you think if we started throwing the ball there , they might adjust there defense?, no they would just stand there and watch us run up and down the field, (execution man no matter what the play or the scheme)

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crackbaby, go get a book about gt and read it man!, jerimiah mcclery was the nose tackle, battleship was defense lineman.

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you guys piss me off sa bad , i cant spell

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@ 4 years…….if you can’t see the steady improvement in Nesbitt over his years at Tech, then you are blind. Could he pass? NO!! Although he did get off a few great bombs to BayBay. But he was a threat to any and every team Tech played by his leadership, iron will, and strength. And that improved each year. That certainly didn’t happen without good coaching

As far as TW, how do you know what improvements may have happened over the off season? He hasn’t played a game yet this year. Between the end of 2010, when he was forced to take over, and 2011, he showed obvious improvement in his ability to lead the team and execute the TO. He’s still nowhere near as good as Nesbitt was, but he has another year to show what he can do. Can he pass? Not with any kind of consistency, but that may have improved also; again, we don’t know that yet. Will he eventually be replaced by Vad Lee? That’s a distinct possibility, but for now he is our starting QB, and he will run the TO better than he did last year. Whether it’s good enough remains to be seen.

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@ Mock 1…….if you don’t think there was any improvement by TW between the 2nd half of the 2010 VT game, when he had to replace Nesbitt and the 2011 VT game, then you are blind as a bat. TW had a good enough game in 2011 to win, and had already led the Jackets back from a 13 point deficit, when Attaochu let his emotions get the better of him and pretty much gave the game to VT.

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Wins and losses Super. That’s all that matter.

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4 yrs: TW is a team leader. He has poise and confidence in the offense and is the best player that we have at the QB position. Your comments about TW’s passing accuracy is valid. He started the season well last year, but perhaps under a greater pressure/pass rush he seemed to get “happy feet” and not get set before he threw the ball. THe receivers were open, he just overthrew them–badly in some cases. So we’ll just see how he does this season. A strong arial attack would make GT far more dangerous, but even without it—a strong o-line and 300+ yards on the ground will do well with a mediocre passing game.

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@ Mock 1……..since when is the QB the only player on the field? Do you think that Nesbitt was responsible for the Orange Bowl loss to Iowa? Hell no, he wasn’t. The Iowa defense was responsible for that, because they are the only team a CPJ-coached Tech team has played that actually stopped the TO.

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The miami game last year Duh.

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Nesbitt passing against Iowa was atrocious. So yes, he was a big reason why they lost the game. You can’t win too many games against good teams when you can’t throw and since pj has been here, gt hasn’t had a good passer at all and THAT explains why they lose to top 20 teams so often

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@ Mock 1……I was at the Orange Bowl, and yes, Nesbitt’s passing was atrocious, but that game was over long before he had to start passing.

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For a team, wins and losses matter. Imputing team success or failure to an individual (or vice versa) is fundamentally wrong.

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Iowa’s defense didn’t allow much against anyone that season. It wasn’t just Tech.

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Using your logic (and I am being very gracious referring to it as logic), Joe Hamilton lost the Clemson game I went to AT Clemson in 1996. I’m sure you don’t even remember the game, but Hamilton had a fantastic game, but Tech still got beat. All his fault, huh?

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@ Wal_Mart ….. according to Mock 1, though, the O-line’s performance was TW’s fault.

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Qb’s are the team leader. Why do you think matt ryan and coach smith get the vast majority of the blame for playoff losses! Doh!

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QB’s lead the defense, huh? RIGHT

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everyone that wears a hat or has a gt t-shirt, wants to blame the qb – in reality if sneez had not tried to punch out thomas last year we would have most likely have beaten vt and played for the acc crown, up until the point when sneez threw a left hook, tw was rolling the offense against the turks, but idot tech want-bee’s only blame the qb.

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TW could do nothing after that play happened dawg. Why is that?

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@Super – hate to spoil the surprise for you, but my tickets came with one those car window flags.

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@ Mock 1……READ what you have been posting, and it is obvious to anybody that you are, at least implicitly, claiming that the QB is responsible for ALL wins or losses, no matter how anybody else on the team plays. WAS TW responsible for some of the losses last year, quite likely he played a major part in them, but he was not SOLELY responsible for them. AND if Tech had had any kind of consistent defensive play (such as actually tackling the opposing teams’ ball carriers), even with a bad day, Tech could have and probably should have won. Whether you think you are or not, you are laying every single loss at the feet of the QB, whether it is TW or somebody else.

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@ ole yeller…….I agree also

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oops…..sorry, I meant Yeller Bug, not ole yeller…..but regardless, I agree with what you said

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Keep fighting for those guys T. J.

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I’ve not heard from anyone who has received their season ticket package yet.

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@ Wal-Mart, I guess I will find out tomorrow

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@Walmart & Super: My flag is correct—guess I had a better QA inspector.

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it is time for the football (team) to produce!

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You sure saw a different D last year than I did. They were better than 2010, but they still stunk it up most games…..VT one of them. And no, I don’t think the D is the reason point-production was down last year; I think it was a combination of factors, and TW was only ONE of those factors. O-line play and B-back play was FAR inferior to what it was from 2008-2010.

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mock, you are talking crazy, wrong and wrong

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Don’t get me wrong……I am NOT defending TW and claiming that he is Tech’s future. BUT, he is not the only reason the O didn’t produce last year. And there really is not much he can do when the O-line isn’t blocking, and the B-backs aren’t getting yards. He doesn’t carry the ball every time it is snapped, and his EXECUTION of the TO was good; it’s just the handoffs didn’t result in much yardage when it was needed.

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the only stat that counts there is scoring offense and scoring defense, i want tell you where we ranked in either, look it up and dont wet yourself when you find it

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Hayseed
And good coaches have a gameplan for that. PJ didn’t and still doesn’t.
And it cracks me up that super would agree when he said one player doesn’t make or break a game or how you can’t blame or priaise one player. Talk about contradicting urself.

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cpj’s history is in div-2, he thinks bowl games are stupid and have no value other than extra practice time, with that being said as stubborn as he appears, he has changed hie mind on some things, i belive he wanted to win the bowl game last year, time clock management cost us that game and that falls squarely on cpj, he is a very good footaball coach and he will fix things given time, ie special teams, and now i belive he knows he has to have a solid defense to play and win in at the bcs level, and that he must be able to effectively throw the ball, however, i dont care how good you can throw – you must be able to run the option and tw does that well.

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He beat a top 25 Clemson team last year, whether they deserved it or not. He should not in any way be held responsible for the VT loss in 2010, since he only played half the game. And I, nor anybody else, did not say a single player cannot make or break a game. But it is not always the QB who wins or loses games, and that is what you have been claiming.

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Mock 1: I don’t think anyone is making excuses. There are 50 teams each year that fantasize about winning the NC—maybe there are 10 teams who have a legitimate shot. Miami and FSU had powerhouses in the 80’s and 90’s and they haven’t done much since. We had an AD (Braine) who thought it unrealistic that Tech could win 10 games a year—glad he’s gone, but consistently winning 10 games a year is tough. I think Tech is on the right track. Our “high school” offense gives opposing DCs sleepless nights. If we find a good passing QB, then we can open up the playbook and truly have a run-and-shoot Offense. TW may have a good year this year so give him a chance. We’ll know a lot about this team by the end of Sept.

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So you’re going to blame the AF loss to TW too??? You do realize, don’t you, that Laskey fumbled and lost 2 punts. But that was TW’s fault because he is the team leader, huh?

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And again, you brag about beating clemson who gave up 70 to wv. Good grief!!!!

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Where in my af post did i say i blamed him entirely? Stop putting words in my mouth moron. I said it was embarassing that a gt TEAM would lose to air force cause gt obviosuly recruits much better players than air force to run the offense.

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At the time Tech played Clemson, Clemson was in the top 25, whether they deserved it or not. You said TW has never beat a ranked team.

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You all leave little Mock 1 alone ……. He showed a few days ago how stupid he is when he said, and I quote, “every int is the QB’s fault because he’s the one who threw the pass”.

I kid you not folks, that idiot actually said that!

The he came back at me with more of his “brilliance”, this time with a baseball analogy:
“when a batter gets hit by a pitch it’s the pitcher’s fault” …. again guys mental midget Mock 1 actually believes stuff like this!

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Never said rotate. When a game is lost, as was the case many times in 2010, put him in to get some snaps.

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The qb is the team leader. I thought everyone knew that. You didn’t click on the football for dummies link i sent you?

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I suggest you look at the 2010 results. Prior to the VT game, when he HAD to come in, there was only one game that was clearly lost long before it was over, and that was the NC State game. Why would you put your second stringer into a game that was still close enough to win? That’s just stupid.

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Know what i said was that unless the wide receiver doesn’t catch a pass that he should have, then every int is the qbs fault. So tell me, who’s at fault if not the qb? I can’t wait to hear ur response.

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Well, how about when a really good defensive back is able to get between the receiver and the ball after the ball is in the air?

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Indeed, Supersize.

Receivers have run wrong routes before, Mock 1

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Refs have made wrong calls on balls before

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In general, a QB is responsible for interceptions, but you can’t scout a box score.

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Even if the ball is on the money, and the receiver almost always catches those passes, it is still possible for a good defensive back to get in there and either break it up or intercept it. Sure, you might say that the receiver SHOULD have caught it, but he was prevented from doing it, and certainly not by the QB who threw it.

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The lesson here is that you don’t judge a player – be it a QB in football, pitcher in baseball, goalie in hockey, or any other team sport – by the record of his or her team.

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@ George……But Mock 1 sure does

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How in the hell is the QB responsible for the receiver getting outplayed and out-hussled by the defender?

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BEWARE MOCK 1 IS A DAWG FAN!!!

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As bad as WnE is, at least he is not stupid—–just overwhelmingly biased and full of hatred. Mock 1 is actually stupid.

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See there Stein, he just said it again!

Dumber and dumber and dumber! He’s probably likes watching water boil

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Well, gentlemen and little boy (and I think we all know who the little boy is)……I am outta here. Before I go, though, I have one thing to say ……

U O A D !!!

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Why don’t links post as blue anymore when I submit one? Anybody?

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And I have seen a baseball team with a lousy record with a pitcher having a great season which is why I agreed with u on baseball george.

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B-back Broderick Snoddy, possibly the fastest player on the team, provided fireworks by going untouched on a 70-yard touchdown run early on, but his fitness level could not sustain him through the whole morning. Snoddy had also been a candidate to play A-back, but has worked at B-back for most of camp.

“He’s more comfortable at [B-back],” quarterbacks and B-backs coach Brian Bohannon said. “That’s what he did his senior year of high school. I think that’s probably going to be home for him.”
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Per Mock 1, I assume TW gets all the credit for this play since the QB is the leader of the team, and everything bad that happens is b/c something the QB did wrong.

Glad I can finally see Mock 1’s point of view. It’s like lemonade …. very refreshing!

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Myth-buster question for the intelligent ones online: Would it be unintelligent to use 2 QBs on a regular basis during the game? Everyone talks about flow and momentum, etc. but Tech doesn’t have great athletes but we are deep with good athletes. Our O-line is two deep—we have depth at both A & B back—why not have a Vad offensive package and a TW package that emphasize their strengths. Say in the middle of the 1st QTR we have a swap out of the offense–go hurry up with Vad—change pace—catch the D in a bad match-up—put fresh legs on the field. Momentum is all in the head—football is a discrete function–a series of individual plays that aside from down and distance are unrelated to the previous play. I think it would be a successful method of keeping opposing Ds a little unnerved and off balance. Is this a crazy idea or something worth exploring?

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HERE’S SOMETHING FOR MOCK 1

BLACKSBURG, Va. (AP) — With two solid tailbacks ahead of David Wilson on the depth chart, Virginia Tech coach Frank Beamer thought hard about redshirting his speedy sophomore.

The decision not to, Beamer said Thursday night, “is looking better and better.”

Wilson returned a kickoff 90 yards for a touchdown with 2:23 to play, rescuing the No. 20 Hokies from a sloppy effort and giving them a 28-21 victory against Georgia Tech.

Wilson also scored on a 15-yard run to pull the Hokies even at 14-all early in the fourth quarter, and was stunned to even get the opportunity to give the Hokies a chance.

“I was excited because they had been avoiding me all game (on kickoffs),” he said, noting that he only had to dodge kicker Scott Blair, who ran him down in a similar spot last year.

Wilson eluded Blair’s attempted ankle tackle, and “When I saw green, I just cut the jets on.”

The return came just after Yellow Jackets drove 80 yards to tie it, and allowed the Hokies (7-2, 5-0 ACC) to win their seventh in a row and remain in control of their fate in the ACC’s Coastal Division. They are the only unbeaten team in ACC play.

The Yellow Jackets (5-4, 3-3), played the second half without quarterback Joshua Nesbitt, who broke his right forearm late in the first half after throwing an interception at Virginia Tech’s 1. It came after he led one scoring drive, then ran 71 yards for another touchdown.

“When I made the tackle, I think I hit his knee,” Nesbitt said of Davon Morgan, who stepped in front of the pass and returned it 28 yards. “Once I hit it, it went numb.”

The absence of Nesbitt made all the difference – for both sides.

“It was big,” Hokies linebacker Bruce Taylor said. “Their offense runs through him. He’s their playmaker, the guy that makes their offense go, so getting him out of the game was big.”

Last year, Nesbitt had 122 yards rushing against the Hokies, including a 39-yard run with 3 minutes left to seal the Yellow Jackets’ victory. He had already run for 86 yards on six attempts when he got hurt on the tackle attempt and was helped to the locker room for X-rays.

Still, the Yellow Jackets gave the Hokies all they could handle.

They fell behind 21-14 with 6:34 to play on Tyrod Taylor’s 2-yard pass to Andre Smith, but immediately answered behind backup redshirt sophomore quarterback Tevin Washington.

He hit Tyler Melton for 42 yards on the first play after Taylor’s scoring pass – Georgia Tech’s first pass completion of the game – and they did the rest on the ground. Roddy Jones ran for 5 yards on fourth-and-4 from the Hokies 32, and Orwin Smith ran it in from the 9.

Just 2:34 remained, and Wilson needed 11 seconds to get the lead back. He caught the ball near the 10, cut left, dodged one attempted ankle tackle and used his sprinter speed down the sideline. It was his second kickoff return for a touchdown of the season, and kept the Hokies in line to win the division – and a spot in the ACC title game – by winning their last three.

It also likely means Georgia Tech will not defend its ACC title of a year ago.

“The kickoff return was just a killer,” Yellow Jackets coach Paul Johnson said.

“You get momentum back and go down and score and you don’t want to squib kick and give them the ball on the 40 yard-line with 2:35 and all their timeouts left. It was supposed to be a deep right kick and we kicked the ball in the middle of the field and we don’t adjust.”

Georgia Tech still drove to the Hokies 17, but Rashad Carmichael intercepted a pass in the end zone with 8 seconds left, sealing the Hokies’ 17th victory in 22 Thursday night ESPN games. They also came away hoping that the trend of the winner of this game representing the Coastal Division in the ACC title game for all five years the game has been played holds.

“It wasn’t a beautiful game,” Beamer said, “but the score sure was pretty.”

Anthony Allen led the Yellow Jackets, who rushed for 346 yards, with 125 on 23 tries.

The Hokies, who had averaged 45.5 points in their past four games, had troubles of their own for much of the game, even after Ryan Williams’ 4-yard run pulled them to 14-7.

Taylor drove the Hokies to the Yellow Jackets 8 later in the second quarter, but on third-and-goal, with about 10 seconds to look for a receiver, he threw right to Rod Sweeting on the back line of the end zone. It was Taylor’s first interception in four games.

The Hokies’ defense responded with its first three-and-out series, but Jayron Hosely fumbled the ensuing punt and Isaiah Johnson recovered for Georgia Tech at the Hokies 47.

Morgan’s interception at the 1 ended that series.

The Yellow Jackets made it look too easy at the start.

After Nesbitt was flushed on the first play from scrimmage – at the 42, no less, after a nice return by Emery Peeples – and threw incomplete, they ran on eight consecutive plays.

Smith went 27 yards on the second play, and Nesbitt converted the only third down with a 3-yard run on third-and-1. He also took it the final yard and it was 7-0 after 3:40.

After the Hokies punted, Nesbitt burned the Hokies quickly, taking another third-and-1 run 71 yards virtually untouched for a touchdown. On the play, he became the career rushing leader among ACC quarterbacks, passing Clemson’s Woodrow Dantzler (1998-2001), who had 2,761.

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I think that would be a wise move yeller. TW has shown little improvement from 2010 to 2011. And the sooner gt gets vad some reps in real games, the better they will be going into next season.

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That’s kinda in line with what i have said observations, but i get called names by the thugs on this board. George has been the only intelligent civil poster I’ve seen over the past hour. TW is just an average qb running the TO and his passing is well below average. Sure he can pad some stats against crap teams but when u look at what he did against a good defenses, it was dismal. That’s why I said nothing has changed from 2010 to 2011 and I don’t expect anything better for this year in the qb front. I’m looking more to next year and hoping vad gets a lot of time to learn the system because i think he has the arm to beat vt miami and even uga.

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So Mock 1 if Tech goes 3-1 or 4-0 in Sept will you change your mind about TW?

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Okay folks let me shut Mock 1 up for good ……

Mock 1
August 19th, 2012
2:49 pm
I’ve done enough research and watched enough sports to know…….i’ve never seen a team with a really bad losing record that had a qb putting up great numbers…….
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238 / 403 3,149yds (59.1%) 35td 14 int … 146.4 rating …. 10-4 record
209 / 342 3,049yds (61.1%) 24td 8 int … 154.5 rating …. 6-7 record
185 / 331 2,584yds (55.9%) 24td 15 int … 146.4 rating … 8-5 record
235 / 383 3,459yds (61.4%) 25td 10 int … 153.5 rating …. 10-3 record

Gee, Mock 1, the best QB stats in the pas 4 seasons for your Dawgs resulted in their worst, and a SUB .500, record! How can that be??? Shame on Aaron Murray for costing the Dawgs 7 Ls!!

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I just saw on a few times last year where TW kept the ball too much when a pitch could have led to at least a first down. And it seemed like this was happening every game from say october on.

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It wasn’t just the SEC record that season. UGA also lost to Colorado (who lost to Kansas) and UCF in 2010.

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Btw, gt experienced the altitude in 03 playing at byu. And I believe they travel there next year. Won’t be easy at all. Nor will the game at home this year.

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dawghater1
August 19th, 2012
10:57 am

tj needs to have a big year, we cant run an effective 3-4 with a 6′ 280 pound nose tackle.

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A better question might be:

Why did CPJ extend a scholly offer to a 6-0 280 NT when the likelihood of that Recruit being successful on the field is very low?

If you’re going to run a 3-4, the Recruit NTs out of HS that are 6-2 to 6-5 310lbs & up.

UGA signed DeLoach’s teammate that reported at 6-4 335 as a True-Fr. that also held a scholly offer from GT (J. Taylor?) and was widely thought to be an Academic qualifier for GT.

BTW GT also offered UGA DEs, Garrison Smith, Mike Thornton, Ray Drew, & Sterling Bailey, all on the Mutt’s 2-deep depth chart and all thought to be Academic qualifiers for GT.

Then you add in the Tuitts, Watkins, Tomlinsons, & Jay Woods that go to ND, Stanford or Vandy, and Bama.

GT Fans should remember these things when they claim that “our elite academics” is keeping us from Recruiting better players.

The Academic Qualifiers that we have lost out on and couldn’t close could give GT the best DL in the country.

Academics isn’t GT ’s problem, CPJ’s recruiting is GT’s problem.

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Yeah i recall that game. King or ealey fumbled near the goal line. And then other fumbles that cost them I never said a qb couldn’t play well and his team lose from mistakes. What i said was over a 20 game sample, you can pretty much determine what kind of player you have running your team.

As for kansas, well the state does border colorado. it’s not like traveling across the country as uga did. And i would hardly call ku beating colorado a shocker. I mean ku beat gt 2 years ago when everyone thought gt would dominate. And gt should have but they played like crap on all fronts.

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It’s interesting though you bring up colorado losing to kansas, cause gt did. I think we can safely conclude that both uga and gt had seasons they would like to forget that year.

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Lawrence, KS elevation: 1,020 ft

Boulder, CO elevation: 5,430 ft

I used Wikipedia, which is full of risk, so if I am wrong I apologize.

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On your 3:47 and 3:50 comments, we can agree, Mock 1.

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And the defense too. Two games in a row now they are looking like they did last year. Hope this isn’t the start to another choke

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The argument has become very BORINGGGGGGGG!!

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Real good conversation. You’re basically rehashing the same comments using different semantics. And while I used an analogy to say you were getting a kick out of it, you are calling people idiots and stupid and moron and the like. Very BORINGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!

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WoooHoooooo!!! 48 leading the race & blew up with 6 laps to go, Couldn’t happen to a better guy!!!!

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2 wrongs don/t make a right & I am thru with you.

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good riddance. Enjoy ur r e d n e c k race. talk about boring!

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Hmmmm interesting supposition. Similiar writing styles for sure but I guess that could be coincidence.

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I wondeir if Ken banned him after his roid rage tirade the other night?

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Predictions for 2012 season
By all means at the end of the season bring this up but only if you do the same comp to ur predictions

Mon, Sep 3 at (16) Virginia Tech 8:00 pm — loss 28 24
Sat, Sep 8 Presbyterian 7:00 pm — win 47 7
Sat, Sep 15 Virginia 3:30 pm — win 20 16
Sat, Sep 22 Miami (FL) TBA — win 17-14
Sat, Sep 29 Middle Tennessee 7:00 pm — win 38-21
Sat, Oct 6 at (22) Clemson TBA — loss 33-24
Sat, Oct 20 Boston College TBA — win 28-17
Sat, Oct 27 Brigham Young TBA — win 27-20
Sat, Nov 3 at Maryland TBA — win 24-21
Sat, Nov 10 at North Carolina TBA — loss 26-21
Sat, Nov 17 Duke TBA — win 40-27
Sat, Nov 24 at (19) Georgia loss 30-21

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8-4 not bad at all. And I hope that Vad will get some playing time in these games as well to help prepare him for next season. The games I consider flippers are miami unc uva and clemson. I think gt could beat clemson but lose to uva or lose to miami and beat unc, etc. But this is what I m sticking with for now. It will be interesting to see how crisp the offense is against a top 20 team to start the season. I belive this is the first time they have started against an acc or quality opponent under pj.

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Ugly game for the braves. Not good going into Washington. And not good considering what happened around this time last season.

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Uh, .300 would be one of those players, WnE. Tell me which one you’d like to have most.

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Wne
You may have a point on the australian kid but Kallon was a no brainer recruit. He had offers from like 25 colleges many of them being big time programs. And the o lineman they have so far are definitely a step up from years past. The key to this offense is a qb and so far, gt has not had one with the “wow” factor. Understandable in the first 3 seasons but going into year 5, i expected better but we are stuck with TW who has NO “wow” factor. Still should be able to produce 8 wins with the offense they run. Anything less than 8 would be a lousy season imho.

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Yet another CPJ “myth” is being debunked right before our very own eyes.

The mythology of CPJ says that he is supposed to light a fire under his players and make them work hard because CPJ “gets more out of less”.

CPJ Recruited Barnes and he had been around GT for 4 years and has not worked hard for 4 years, so now in his 5th yr. when he (Barnes) is thinking about possibly cashing in on an NFL Contract, now he decides to work “harder” and watch his weight.

He didn’t do it for his teammates, he didn’t do it because he “loves GT”, nor is he doing it for all those BS nostalgic reasons that you guys are throwing out, Barnes is doing all this because he thinks he can cash in, NOT because our “fiery leader” motivated him to lay it on the line for GT.

CPJ gets more out of less, yet another myth in the CPJ legend that has been debunked.

The perception that CPJ gets more out of less is greatly enhanced by him watering down the schedule wherever goes.

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Mock 1
August 19th, 2012
4:37 pm

Wne
You may have a point on the australian kid but Kallon was a no brainer recruit. He had offers from like 25 colleges many of them being big time programs. And the o lineman they have so far are definitely a step up from years past. The key to this offense is a qb and so far, gt has not had one with the “wow” factor. Understandable in the first 3 seasons but going into year 5, i expected better but we are stuck with TW who has NO “wow” factor. Still should be able to produce 8 wins with the offense they run. Anything less than 8 would be a lousy season imho.
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Not criticizing Kallon at all, I have even said that GT should take chances on big guys like Kallon rather than more runt-sized pony backs for the A-Back depth-chart.

Kallon is a no-brainer signee for schools like UGA that can take a chance on the “last scholly” in their class.

At GT Kallon is under pressure to develop & PLAY QUICKLY because CPJ has not recruited well on the DL.

Other schools offered Kallon as a developmental project, GT offered him as the “headliner” of our 2012 class.

The headline Recruit of our 2012 Class only played 1-Year of HS FB, GT’s recruiting should never be that lousy.

But under CPJ it has been that lousy.

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Really easy explanation as to why TJ has finally gotten his feet under himself…anyone who has attended GA Tech knows that classes aren’t a walk in the park, and your classes as an undergraduate, when you are becoming acclimated to to program and sometimes even deciding on whether you want to keep the major you started with is uncertain at best.

Let’s compound that with heaping on all of the extracurricular requirements that football required year round, including the traveling during the Fall, and then changing defensive coordinators, and you’ll find a player who may just start off a bit “slow” in his career.

TJ has finally gotten all of his classes in order, his football “life” in order, and is in his third year of the new defense. He is focused and I believe will have an outstanding season.

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One thing I would like to see is V.Lee start the Pres. game. It’s a good opporunity for him to get into a game and get the flow of the offense under game conditions.

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Well I just feel like when you beat an equal team in close games a good bit, that you’re due to lose some. Kinda like how we beat miami early on and now they have our number. Just seems to go that way with gt. So that’s what I am basing my outcome on.

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You mean 2 wins in games they would have lost? And 4 this year???
So if you think gt is a 7 win team this year without them, you think they would go 11-1 with them?

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Did WnE really jut insult CPJ for recruiting a 4* DL?!?!? I can only shake my head.

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George Stein
August 19th, 2012
5:02 pm

Do you have proof any or all of those players qualified? Because if you do, unless the data came from the player, someone violated federal law.

You honestly think two or three players are worth four wins? You’re even dumber than I thought!
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Put Tuitt on our DL instead of Jason Peters or Izaan Cross (that has faded each of the last 2 seasons), put Garrison Smith in our DL rotation instead of Logan Walls and our pass rush is better that helps both our 2ndary & LBs .

Talented DLs are the biggest game changers in FB outside of QBs that are efficient passers.

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I do not, Mock 1. I think that’s more of a post hoc narrative media types drive, but it has little to do with the actual games.

Share with us the math you used to get to four wins, WnE.

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Toe
Several reasons
1. It’s VT
2. They are a top 15 team
3. It’s the first game of the season and I just don’t think the TO will work so well in the first game
4. It’s prime time
5. VT reloads
6. TW is 0-2 against them in games he has played in
7. A good defense usually wins over a good offense in the first week or two of a season

Now vt does sometimes start off slow. So who knows. But i just don’t see gt going there the first game, prime time and winning. Hope they do but I can’t vision it.

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Everything ain’t math and can be calculated, sometimes you go with your gut, this is one of those cases where this is more “art” than science.

It is my theory that those players would lead to more wins for GT.

Your theory has no substance behind it, and your gut can be tested in Vegas, tool.

Again, your comment is heavy on trolling and devoid of analysis.

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Well I respectflly disagree because I know coaches who use losing over and over as a motivating factor to beat a team. Especially when u are even footing with that team. It’s harder to use that when it’s uga gt because of their recruiting advantages. I don’t know techs record off the top of my head against unc the past 5 seasons, but if i had to guess, i would say 4-1.

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We can disagree, Mock 1. Not a big deal.

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Special teams is a wild card in that game. That could easily dictate the outcome. Will vt, who’s known for their ST come up with some big plays? Or will gt, who hired a ST coordinator finally, step up and out perform. So that is a good point. Or it could be a wash and it comes again down to the our off vs their d. Like u said, we’ll find out in 15 days.

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Just saw where Jeremi Hall has been awarded his 4th* by Rivals.

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Mock 1 & WnE: Going with your gut, feeling a team is due???? Your analysis seems like a song: “Feelings, nothing more than feelings….”

Y’all can do better than that.

If losing over and over gets a team motivated to become “due” then Tech should beat the living dwag poop out of UGA this year. Sad to say, that ain’t gonna happen.

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Yeller
I guess you missed the part where I said twice that I use that belief on teams that are on near equal footing. Uga and gt are not. Gt and unc are. It’s why uga has won 10/11
Motivation as a factor doesn’t go so well when the other team has you outmanned.

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Granted, UGA has more good athletes than Tech does, and probably always has. But to say we are not on equal footing would say that Tech would never win and never even play competitive games. But, in fact, with the exception of last year, Tech has been very competitive every year since the debacle in Gailey’s first year. Most of those games, including the games Tech won, could easily have gone either way.

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Supersize that order, mutt

August 19th, 2012
6:08 pm

@ Mock 1……I came down pretty hard on you earlier, and I think with good reason, but your last several posts have been very good and very fair. You and I are actually in agreement about UNC. That game scares me, because, prior to CPJ, Tech had a terrible record AT UNC….remember 1990? I DO think we will beat the Hokies, because, contrary to what you said, the TO does seem to work better in the early games. And VT over the past few years has played very poorly in their early games.
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CPJ “success” at UNC has propped up by NCAA player suspensions and a very late coaching change.

Posters like you lose a lot of credibility when you leave out major details so that you can fit the end result into your “pro-CPJ” agenda.

2 of CPJ ’s wins vs. UNC were greatly affected by NCAA sanctions on the Tar Heels.

To leave that info out as if CPJ has done something magical vs. UNC is very deceptive.

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Supersize that order, mutt
August 19th, 2012
6:19 pm

Granted, UGA has more good athletes than Tech does, and probably always has. But to say we are not on equal footing would say that Tech would never win and never even play competitive games. But, in fact, with the exception of last year, Tech has been very competitive every year since the debacle in Gailey’s first year. Most of those games, including the games Tech won, could easily have gone either way.
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We’ve lost 10 of 11 and have only beat UGA something like 15 times since the late 1950s!

The way you speak of playing them close maybe you should change your name to Capt. Moral Victory.

Meanwhile, I’m the Harvey Specter (”Suits” on the USA network) of GT fans ; “I’d rather win big than lose close”.

You and FlJacket remind of Louis Litt (sp?) from that same show.

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1 4 GT, I just read your reply on same day; yeah ol’ Rock was strong as Hell; he was same year as me, not in any of my classes though; you’re right about accomplishing two things by doing only one of them, aka “killing two birds with one stone”- you work, and work out at same time

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now I have to go back through all 6 pages and erase my name so nobody will use it and impersonate me; I found my name on my dad’s computer the other day, which I had never commented on, and promptly used it for new comment; I guess if you don’t erase your name from Name and E-mail boxes for each page of same article, you stay on AJC for everybody to see

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sounds like someone has alot of red and black in their closet

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WnE, I was talking about Shawn Green, But whatever… Yes I certainly have an anti-WnE agenda… because you are a PROVEN UGA fan and a PROVEN LIAR. And yes, I can document my proof to all who are interested.

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Florida had a good defense last year, but they couldn’t score on Paris Hilton. Who knows who would have won a game between them and us?

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GTfan2012
August 19th, 2012
8:22 pm

WnE, I was talking about Shawn Green, But whatever… Yes I certainly have an anti-WnE agenda… because you are a PROVEN UGA fan and a PROVEN LIAR. And yes, I can document my proof to all who are interested.
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Yet another CPJ screw up!

He signed Green after he brought in CAG, he should have backed off Green when he started inviting CAG to “hang around” while Wommack was still the DC (what a classless stunt by CPJ).

Anyway once you get a guy in your program, and since GT doesn’t run guys off and oversign, then you’re stuck with him for 4 or 5 yrs., CPJ as “veteran FB coach” should have known that a 6-0 280lb. Tweener DL (not quite a NT & not quite a DE) would not fit what CAG likes to do.

Green’s 4* status was unimportant if he didn’t fit what CPJ’s hand-picked new DC likes to do on defense.

Yet another example that CPJ still has a lower-level (D1-AA) mentality where one warm body is the same as another warm body, unfortunately at this level Recruiting does mean an awful lot.

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Mark it down TJ and Uzzi will both be top 20 picks

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Dwyers playing fyi on nbc

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LES should be LESS

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You’re correct wne that gt didnt have anyone as good as JD or AA last season and that hurt. Maybe someone will surprise this year. Uga will have some new rb’s this year too with the idiot crowell getting the boot. That’s one thing i’ve never understood. Why can’t pj get 4 or 5 star rbs? You’d think that would be the position he could do it.

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WnE, full of S H ! T once again.
“Green is a defender that could play defensive tackle or nose guard on the collegiate level.” – Chad Simmons, scout.com

Which recruiting website do you work for WnE?!?! You obviously know more than the guys that do.

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I will believe it when I see it. Prove it TJ!

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I am amazed you ignore them when it’s convenient, too, WnE. Also, stop lumping everyone into one big straw man, you dolt.

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News flash: STOP ENGAGING WnE. HE IS A TROLL.

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super, i agree w/ u, early games are good for the to. we have a real good chance to beat vt!

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So Mock 1 – How can a QB who “sucks” by his team going 3-13 possibly end up getting better?

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Well wne i don’t buy that argument because there are a lot of rbs that go to lesser known schools that are huge stars in the nfl.
And it’s not like gt has ever been rb U I mean who has done anything over the past 20 years in the nfl besides levens? Choice has been ok with the cowboys. And I don’t remember if lavette did anything at the next level or jimmy lincoln or william bell. If anyone knows of others, they can enlighten me.

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Just imagine what could be accomplished the past 3 seasons with Joe Hamilton running the offense.

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gt40
Why do you think that when the evidence so far says otherwise? every bowl team we’ve played has had weeks to prepare and gt has lost every game. i’m not following ur logic. vt has had several months to prepare.

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Mock 1,
Beamer said they were spending an extra DAY on GT prep. If its so beneficial, why didn’t they start the GT prep in spring and keep doing it all the way through fall camp?

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mock 1 and observations ……
do your research you dumb-arse dawg fans ….
b/c UF had THEIR WORST SEC SEASON IN 40+ YEARS?

Ya see, I said worst SEC season …. go check it.

AND MOCK 1 …. his name is DWYER, not dwyerS ………..
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Mock 1

August 19th, 2012
8:59 pm
Dwyers playing fyi on nbc

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how can anyone like dirty dawgs,and tech .its like oil and water.they dont mix.THWG!!!

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@dawghater1 – McClary may have rotated in at NT, but Kevin Battle started and made big plays at NT.

Here is a quote and link, “The charter flight home was magic. Players sang and danced in the aisles. Homer Rice politely declined to boogie. After landing at Hartsfield and busing back to campus near midnight, the Jackets were stunned to see thousands and thousands of fans – mostly Tech students – awaiting them.

Offensive guard Jim Lavin, a New Orleans native, later told me, “It reminded me of Mardi Gras and we were the parade coming down the street.” For Shawn Jones, the scene was “like that square in China.” Tienanmen Square. Nose guard Kevin Battle thought, “World War III.”

http://www.ramblinwreck.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/092107aaa.html

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say NO to Groh in 2013!!

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SJ: Let’s see how Groh does in 2012 first. He’s stated that typically his D shows improvement in year 3—well this is year 3. If we have 7 wins or less then this will be a disappointing year, 8 would be average and a 9-3 record or better after the regular season would be considered a good year. Talk is cheap—let’s see GT walk the walk.

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If that’s the case why were you jumping all over Coach Johnson for not getting a commit out of DT Jay Woods who is 280 lbs?????? (See recruiting thread/Jay Woods commits to Vandy), you went on talking about how Tech missed out on him.

Yet Tech has commit from DT 6-3 / 305lb DT Darius Commissiong and Tech get no praise.

My suggestion would be to work on your memory so you can keep track of all the garbage you make up.

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Big Time TECHFan—-give the ole dwag troll HELL!!

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TJ Barnes versus a young and inexperienced VaTech O-Line.

CPJ has proven he can roll-up tons of yards on “Dud” Fosters defense.

GT has a 2-Deep roster of experienced road-graders at O-Line this year.

GT is going to pummel VT on Sept 3.

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UOAD!!!!!

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dawgfan

August 20th, 2012
2:45 pm

CPJ has also proven he can roll-up plenty of losses to Virginia Tech. He’s 1-3 against them. What a genius!!!

What planet are Tech fans on?
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dwagfan you moron,

you forgot to mention that Richt really rolls up the losses to Florida; 2-8. What planet are YOU on, dwagfan?

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They only understand dwagspeak GT Lee.

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GTfan 2012
August 20th, 2012
1:57 pm

BTTF, we’ve got to let it go with WnE. He has no understanding of the NT position. He doesn’t even know what the ideal body size/type is. He would certinly never mention 6′5″ if he did. But at this point, its clear that he is just trying to “drive” the discussion in these comments even if he lies and makes up s**t to do it. We can’t feed him. I think we have to post every once in a while just to prove that he’s not honest. But other than that, we need to just let most of his comments go unanswered.
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That team in Athens that ruins our Thanksgiving Weekend every yr., their NTs are 6-6 350lbs.,(RS-Jr.) 6-4 350lbs.(Sr.), 6-4 335lbs. (T-Fr.), and next yr. they have verbal commits from these guys for 2013—— 6-3 315lbs., 6-4 315lbs., and they might have this guy coming from prep school 6-3 325lbs. if he does his school work.

That how you recruit quality depth for your NT position, so even if some guys get injured or don’t pan out, you improve your chances for success by getting big guys in numbers.

That is how you Recruit for the 3-4.

What does CAG know that CTG doesn’t that makes him think he take 6-0 280lbs. guys and make his 3-4 work like CTG’s 3-4 that was in the Top-10 in the country in year TWO, while CAG is still looking for answers going into year THREE.

My fellow GT fans laughed at UGA for hiring CTG and proclaimed that CPJ was “playing chess while everyone else was playing checkers” for hiring CAG, approaching 3 years later, who’s laughing now?

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Here is a little factoid for everyone. The truth of the matter is, the ideal NT for a 3-4 defense is about 6′2″-6′3″. A little bit shorter than the average offensive linemen trying to block him, yet tall enough to carry 300 + pounds with athleticism. Such as a short drop back pass (if he sees it in time) to get in the way of a receiver trying to catch a short dump off pass over the middle and perhaps prevent a completion. And a little shorter to have a bit of leverage underneath the taller OL’men. In reality 6′5″ is actually bordering on too tall for a true NT. Y’all watch me now!! Heavy on analysis and NO trolling!! Selah!

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And as 14 Gt points out above…. its all about leverage. Smaller is better, but the coaches saw on film that even though at 6′4″ Gotsis is a little bigger than ideal he has great knee bend and can stay low. Remains to be seen how that will translate to major college foootball.

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No doubt TJ has got to live up to these expectations, his position is the metaphorical keystone to CAG’s defense. If he plays well, our LBs should get a ton of tackles stuffing the run. If not, opposing lineman will easily get to backers and the tackles will go to the secondary who will subsequently begin to bite at any sign of a run play.
P.S. Interesting stats:
2009 GTppg – 33.8 Oppg – 24.3
2011 GTppg – 34.3 Oppg – 26.1 (ok so ppg skewed a bit by games like Kansas)
1990 GTppg – 31.6 Oppg – 15.5*
*Defense wins championships, hope 3rd year is the charm for CAG’s D

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