Updated: Tech’s Vad Lee pushes forward
Greetings-
Updated notes from second practice.
1. He didn’t have much of a scrimmage on Saturday. He began Georgia Tech’s fall camp as the co-No. 2 quarterback with Synjyn Days and is now No. 3. Vad Lee is undeterred.
“As always, you have some great days, you have some tough days,” Lee said Monday following the team’s second practice of the day. “You’ve just got to keep fighting through it.”
Three weeks remain until the Yellow Jackets open against Virginia Tech Sept. 3 in Blacksburg, Va. Coach Paul Johnson noted that the depth chart is constantly changing and that “I wouldn’t read too much into it until you get to about game week.” If his number is called against the Hokies, Lee said he’ll be ready to play.
“I think I got a lot of good things done in the spring,” he said. “I’m just building off that and working this camp and just trying to get ready for Virginia Tech.”
Johnson said that Saturday, “it was just in general, he just didn’t have a good day.”
Lee, whose promise as a passer has made him popular among Tech fans, has had challenges mastering the option. Lee said he feels pretty comfortable with it, but allowed that it’s not second nature.
“Everything happens so fast,” he said. “You’ve got to be focused in on every play.”
The competition between Days and Lee to be No. 2 behind Tevin Washington will continue.
“He’s going to be fine,” Johnson said of Lee. “I’m not worried about him.”
2. One of the most notable changes in the updated depth chart was B-back Zach Laskey moving ahead of Charles Perkins to second string behind starter David Sims. After Laskey’s strong performance in the Saturday scrimmage, Johnson had hinted at the move on Saturday.
“He’s had a really good camp,” Johnson said. “He breaks a lot of tackles. He’s done some good things in the hole, shown some good feel.”
Perkins missed Monday’s two practices with an injury suffered Saturday. With Sims also out, Laskey split first-team snaps with walk-on Matt Connors, while Marcus Allen and Broderick Snoddy worked with the second team. Snoddy, who has also worked at A-back, has been taking snaps at B-back in recent days.
Coaches “just want me to keep my pad level down, make sure I hit the holes hard,” Laskey said. “I’ve kind of just been working on that.”
3. The team practiced in full pads Monday morning and came back in shoulder pads in the afternoon, the Jackets’ second double session of fall camp. When rain began to fall in the afternoon, Johnson moved practice into the indoor facility. Johnson deemed the morning practice “O.K.” and the afternoon session “good.”
The play of the day was turned in by wide receiver Jeremy Moore, who made a one-handed diving catch in the corner of the end zone on a throw from Washington from about 40 yards out.
Among players who were held out: Offensive tackles Ray Beno and Morgan Bailey, wide receiver Jeff Greene, cornerback Rod Sweeting and B-backs Sims and Perkins. Johnson said Sims, who had surgery to repair a stress fracture in his shin over the summer, re-aggravated the injury in practice.
“We’ve got some guys that are bumped and banged, but I don’t think we’ve got anybody that’s questionably out for a long period of time,” Johnson said. “It might be a week or two, but I’m talking about blowing somebody out for the season.”
4. Former Tech All-American safety Ken Swilling, a member of the 1990 national championship team, was named Monday to the ACC Legends class of 2012. Swilling and 11 other greats will be honored at the ACC championship game Dec. 1 in Charlotte.
5. With Greene out for Monday’s morning practice, freshman wide receiver Anthony Autry was part of a rotation working with the first string with Chris Jackson, Jeremy Moore and Darren Waller.
“He’s looking good,” Waller said. “He’s real fast out of his routes. He’ll get after it, too.”
Johnson said he wouldn’t read much into depth-chart assignments until game week. He did offer praise of Waller.
“He’s progressing,” Johnson said. “I’ve been pleased with him in camp.”
Ken Sugiura, Georgia Tech blog
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GoJackets
August 13th, 2012
7:03 pm
First? 10 wins this year for the Jackets!
North Ave Killer Beez
August 13th, 2012
7:04 pm
So it only takes a few good runs at B-back to move ahead on the depth chart now? How many losses, int’s does it take to get bumped from starting qb???
Lou Piniella's cap
August 13th, 2012
7:06 pm
As long as he’s nowhere near the field when the punt return team runs out there, any news is good news for Laskey. Good to see he’s making good progress. But what happened to Perkins? He seemed to be such a highly touted guy coming out of high school and things just haven’t seemed to click for him since he took that redshirt when he came in.
yeller bug
August 13th, 2012
7:29 pm
Are Allen and Snoddy B-backs? No way for Snoddy—he’s like 5′ 9″ and under 200 lbs.
George Stein
August 13th, 2012
7:37 pm
Might just be a motivational thing with Perk. Johnson has long been hard on all players, but more on those most talented. If, however, Laskey is the man, then so be it; Johnson has to play the best players.
Jacket Man
August 13th, 2012
7:41 pm
Snoddy is really a great fit for the B-Back position; he’s a tough inside runner who can also get outside, and if he gets his crease, he’ll break it all the way just like Jonathan Dwyer used to do. He just has to learn how to handle the mesh handoffs on the option plays and he’ll be good-to-go.
Jack It
August 13th, 2012
7:42 pm
To quote CPJ last season, “Charles Perkins and I define hard work differently.” Some things will never change – you can’t teach work ethic. Charles Perkins will never make the cut in the NFL because of this. Write it down!
What a let down…
1 4 GT
August 13th, 2012
7:43 pm
Amen George!!
George Stein
August 13th, 2012
7:46 pm
Wasn’t David Sims fourth string this time a year ago? Let’s not make any conclusions yet, Jack It.
AtWork
August 13th, 2012
7:48 pm
Hey Ken,
Thanks for the updates! Got a question for you… Does Perkins not look that good or has Laskey been that impressive?
Thanks for the good reads!
Tougher schedule?
August 13th, 2012
7:48 pm
You tell me… week by week TOUGHER TEST (IMHO)
GT v VA Tech or UGA v Buffalo – GT
GT v Presbyterian or UGA v Mizzou – UGA
GT v UVA or UGA v FL Atl GT
GT v Miami or UGA v Vandy Push (though in years past it would be UM)
GT v MTSU or UGA v TN UGA
GT v Clemson or UGA v SC Push
GT v BC or UGA v KY Push
GT v BYU or UGA v FL FL or could be a push
GT v MD or UGA v Ole MS Push
GT v UNC or UGA v Auburn Push
GT v Duke or UGA v GA Southern Push, but only because UGA is playing the option team
GT v UGA or UGA v GT Push
ACC Champ GT v Clemson or FSU or SEC East Cham,p UGA v AL or LSU – UGA
Looks as though both teams have pretty easy schedules – at least I have seen more difficult schedules
George Stein
August 13th, 2012
7:49 pm
Interesting article here: http://deadspin.com/5934392/san-diego-state-head-football-coach-might-just-go-for-it-on-fourth-down-this-season
I hope he’s successful, because going for it more is almost always the right call.
yeller bug
August 13th, 2012
8:22 pm
George S. I think CPJ has been on the leading edge of going for it on 4th down as compared to his ACC peers. The same could be said of Les Miles from LSU and the SEC. I think there’s still more acceptable risk that coaches could take if you consider that mathematics/probability of success.
BLT
August 13th, 2012
8:25 pm
What’s up with Perkins and Snoddy? I guess it’s to early too tell.
BLT
August 13th, 2012
8:26 pm
*to
HighTech
August 13th, 2012
8:31 pm
Maybe Laskey is playing like he has a bur up his butt from his disappointment on special teams. A champion will learn from disappointment and work extremely hard to not let it happen again. I can’t see criticizing Perkins just yet. Last season, I saw him run hard in a game and catch a pass out of the backfield for a big gain.
laskey moves to #2 on depth chart for BB
August 13th, 2012
8:45 pm
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Michael Phelps
August 13th, 2012
8:52 pm
Winners don’t smoke weed.
Champions do.
Big Crimson 75
August 13th, 2012
8:59 pm
Stein — Unless you’re the Atlanta Falcons!!
WnE
August 13th, 2012
9:03 pm
When Perkins signed out of HS with GT only one GT fan at the time told everyone to be very cautious and to not compare him to Dwyer, that would be me, the one & only WnE.
All my detractors called me names, accused me of being a mutt fan, among other things and said that CPJ’s eye for talent was better than mine and that Perkins actually had a chance to be “better than Dwyer” since he played in the same offense in HS.
Fast forward to today and Perkins is a RS-Soph. going into his 3rd yr. out of HS, and he been passed by a former QB without that “gear” that RBs need and by Zach Laskey that was only offered at RB by Service Academies and non-BCS schools.
When Perkins RS’d I warned that my predictions might be true and that if he were really a game breaker he’d gotten on the field at A-back while the B-Back slot opened up in his 2nd yr.
I don’t need any apologies, but remember this when WnE warns you of a possible BUST, please take my warning with caution, I am usually right more than I am wrong.
It official now, CPJ has recruited yet another “bust” at B-Back the most important RB-slot in his Offense.
If RBs have “it”, then they usually show “it” pretty quickly, definitely by their Soph. or RS-Fr. yr., if they don’t show “it” by then, then the most they’ll ever be is “serviceable”.
In the future when WnE says that he has analyzed HS film and gives commentary on a recruit maybe you folks will take me more seriously.
Ken Sugiura
August 13th, 2012
9:06 pm
Updated notes with new top item about Vad Lee.
Regarding Perkins – we’re not allowed to watch practice, so it’s hard for me to judge. i don’t doubt that laskey is having a very good camp, but i imagine some of this is to try to prod Perkins.
Supersize that order, mutt
August 13th, 2012
9:10 pm
UOAD !!!
Supersize that order, mutt
August 13th, 2012
9:12 pm
Thanks for the update on Vad, Ken.
Ken Sugiura
August 13th, 2012
9:13 pm
sure.
BLT
August 13th, 2012
9:14 pm
Who is apologizing? Tell your story walking. On second thought…don’t. Bark!
UOAD!
Ramblin Man
August 13th, 2012
9:18 pm
Ken rumor is somebody switched positions, any truth to that?
Big Crimson 75
August 13th, 2012
9:18 pm
WnE — Thoughts on Justin Taylor…..Player or Bust.
Thoughts on the Triple Option…Old-school smash mouth Football or out-dated gimmick offense.
Thoughts on Rueben Foster……paid or just a co-wink-e-dink he lands with Trooper Taylor.
Thoughts on Mark Richt…does less with more than any coach in Country or it’s all Willie Martinez’ & Mike Bobo’s fault.
Thoughts on Nick Saban….the Best or the Greatest of all time!!!
BlackWatch
August 13th, 2012
9:27 pm
Congrats to Ken Swilling. Well deserved. He was an absolute beast in the Defensive Backfield.
AtWork
August 13th, 2012
9:37 pm
Thanks Ken!
I imagine every coach has to do something to get the players motivated. I hope that it works. Competition can either make your better or make you quit.
Big Crimson 75
August 13th, 2012
9:39 pm
Who remembers Ross inserting Ken Swilling @ RB on short yardage plays following the Championship Season??
I seem to recall several in the Penn St game, which I believe was the first game of the Season that year, and if memory serves, Swilling got stuffed every time!!!
Supersize that order, mutt
August 13th, 2012
9:53 pm
Crimson, I’m sure we would all prefer to forget that Penn State game
George Stein
August 13th, 2012
9:59 pm
With any luck, three weeks from now we’ll be kicking VT’s ass.
Big Crimson 75
August 13th, 2012
9:59 pm
Supe — that game was ugly.
Nice move by Tech today to honor Swilling.
He was the face of that Tech D & y’all had some players on that Team : Marco, C. Rudolph, Clay, Battle, the Williamseses @ LB!!!
Swilling was the man on that team……That was a classic battle with Herman Moore @ Charlottesville.
Dawgs
August 13th, 2012
9:59 pm
WnE — Thoughts on Justin Taylor…..Player or Bust.
“Sounds like this Kid might be something special for yall if Johnson don’t get in his head wrong…”
Thoughts on the Triple Option…Old-school smash mouth Football or out-dated gimmick offense.
The answer….. Yes… This offense seems to cut both ways… it is tough to stop because no one sees it.. but I makes your defense bad because becuase every other ‘normal’ offense to them is gimmick to them as well.”
Thoughts on Rueben Foster……paid or just a co-wink-e-dink he lands with Trooper Taylor.
Thoughts on Mark Richt…does less with more than any coach in Country or it’s all Willie Martinez’ & Mike Bobo’s fault.
Defense has improve sense W Martinez’s departure, How ever it seems to me that this defense came ‘Alive’ when we pick up two Ju Co Nose Guards! Our defense really played better with those guyus..
Thoughts on Nick Saban….the Best or the Greatest of all time!!!
Just the Best right now..
Tech dropout
August 13th, 2012
10:08 pm
Zach Laskey is no slouch. He came to Tech to be the next B Back. Just because he is white doesn’t mean that he is ahead of Perkins because he “works hard”. The kid runs hard and is quick. I think the writing is on the wall for Charles Perkins. Kid needs to wake up before it is too late.
Big Crimson 75
August 13th, 2012
10:12 pm
Thoughts on Nick Saban….the Best or the Greatest of all time!!!
Just the Best right now.
—–
Good enough for me.
Tech dropout
August 13th, 2012
10:16 pm
I think Broderick Snoddy would make one heck of a B Back. Kid is built like a speeding bowling ball. 5′9″, stout, and probably one of the fastest runners on the team. Hit the crease and all you have to do is run straight. Dwyer did that many a times hauling a spare tire to boot. This kids is faster than Dwyer and more fit.
yeller bug
August 13th, 2012
10:43 pm
I think Snoddy is the fastest guy on the team and definitely faster than Dwyer. I thought he was more a “scat back” though than a bowling ball–Dywer weighed 230–Snoddy is only 190—that seems small for a B-back to me. But if he can hit the crease quick and get into open field that could be a great threat.
Paul in NH
August 13th, 2012
11:00 pm
Big Crimson
I wish you hadn’t brought up the GT-PSU game in Kick Off Classic in the Meadowlands. I lived in NE PA at the time and was at the game. They killed us. I went in work late the following morning after not getting home until 2 AM and my colleagues had taped th front page of the sports section on my office door!
big gt fan
August 13th, 2012
11:05 pm
cpj is looking more confused to me he making bad decisions to me if he want to demote somebody let it be the qb or the person call the plays on the sideline
@dawgs
August 13th, 2012
11:51 pm
No dawg, 2 juco nose guards? Kwame Geathers has been at UGA since he was a freshman. Willie Martinez bested PJ in 2009. Why is it no one can supplant TW, TW great kid not a d-1 QB.TW looks to be PJ’s Reggie Ball. There may have been a reason why the SEC schools that recruited VL wanted him as a WR. Laskey was a 2 star recruit with offers from Air force and Navy. Better hope Sims gets and stays healthy , what he lacks in talent he makes up in desire.@big gt fan Pj is in way over his head , back to Southern Conference coaching sooner than later .This tech staff is minor league.Can’t recruit , can’t develop what it recruits.
TheNameThief
August 13th, 2012
11:57 pm
You guys really believe GT will win 10 games, don’t you?
I guess it could happen, although it would be a surprise to me.
Hayseed Dixie
August 13th, 2012
11:57 pm
Hope Laskey gets a shot at redemption. Everyone deserves one.
The Miami game was an avoidable loss.
fuzzybee78
August 14th, 2012
12:01 am
lets get Snoddy back there on kickoff return if he cant get on the field in the backfield. The redshirt is over, to much speed to watch from the sidelines. Catch and jets on!
Cook the Turkey!
gt40pinhd
August 14th, 2012
12:01 am
now i’m discouraged! i expected vad lee to be pressing tw for the starting job. thought he was recruited from a school that ran the option or spread offense. sounds like he is not sure what to do. although after looking over the “if-then” website, i can see why he’s confused: complex offense.
Yellow n Gold
August 14th, 2012
12:19 am
@dawgs..was he that same 2 star RB that outran that 4 star safety from Griffin you have up at Athens now twice to the end zone in a region championship game?
GTfan2012
August 14th, 2012
12:37 am
UOAD!!!! I think this young (yes young) OL and DL are poised to have a breakout year. We have the deepest roster talent wise that we’ve had in years (yes, even deeper than 2007). Although the top end talent may not be there (or may still be young), we are certainly deeper. Again, heavy on the analysis, and no trolling at all…. it’s almost like I’m a better version of another commenter.
The Mask
August 14th, 2012
12:53 am
“Zach Laskey is no slouch. He came to Tech to be the next B Back.”
Whoa, slow the horses down there TD. I agree with you that he’s no slouch, kid works hard and wants to prove he belongs on the field. Wish Tech had more like him, but the next B back? You and I both have a better chance of getting mauled by a polar bear next time we’re in Florida than Laskey does to be the next Jonathan Dwyer.
nobody
August 14th, 2012
2:25 am
Perkins just got engaged. Hope that isnt messing with his head. I went to high school with perkins. He needs to get his stuff together.
Hey WnE
August 14th, 2012
3:02 am
What did you say about Orwin Smith as a recuit? What was he rated out of HS? Who offered him? Thanks in advance
Spyro
August 14th, 2012
5:16 am
Of course WnE predicted that Perkins “would be a bust.” Is there a recruit we get that won’t be a bust to him?
Insider
August 14th, 2012
6:44 am
General concensus from those in the know is that Perkins has been somewhat of a disappointment from Day 1 …. can’t break a run in a game, scrimmage or even at practice …. oh well, can’t get them all right.
WnE
August 14th, 2012
8:01 am
RE:
Hey WnE
August 14th, 2012
3:02 am
What did you say about Orwin Smith as a recuit? What was he rated out of HS? Who offered him? Thanks in advance
___________
I can tell you who did not offer Orwin out of HS……………Bama & Auburn.
I will admit that Orwin has exceeded my expectations, but that’s only because my expectations are very low for our A-Backs.
Orwin doesn’t have the size to play a “normal” RB slot in a BCS Conf. and run between the tackles 15-22 times per game.
Now that he’s a Sr. he has tried to “bulk up” to show NFL scouts that he can play at a heavier wgt. in hopes of getting drafted.
Despite putting up great Stats in our System, Orwin has hurt his chances at the next level, he would have had a better shot at getting drafted by going to a BCS school and playing in a Pro-Style (or close) Offense and being a situational RB (3rd downs, passing downs, etc.) and showing the NFL scouts that part of his game.
There is nothing that our A-Backs do that NFL scouts care about, and unless you are 6-2 220lbs. and run a sub-4.4 forty, then your A-Back film from GT won’t get you drafted.
Remember Dwyer & Allen put 3 straight 1,300 yd. seasons (2 by Dwyer & 1 by Allen) and all it got them was drafted in the 6th & 7th rounds.
I didn’t know much about Orwin as a Recruit except that at that time he was the biggest A-back that CPJ had recruited to play A-back, so I figured it was a new trend.
But then CPJ reverted back to his old self and then started to recruit more smallish guys to play A-back.
Jason
August 14th, 2012
8:12 am
Wrong Wne
Auburn DID offer Orwin you putz
http://rivals.yahoo.com/georgiatech/football/recruiting/player-Orwin-Smith-68539
GT Rich
August 14th, 2012
8:40 am
Fyi-
Lucas Cox also played A-back under CPJ and is currently the no. 2 fullback for the Atlanta Falcons. Different body type than Orwin and totally different position at FB, but the point is that the NFL finds athletes, regardless of school and position. Does anyone think Jacquiz Rogers is an every down RB? No. Orwin will be drafted in a late round — 3rd down RB, special teams, maybe slot receiver.
OldGold1964
August 14th, 2012
8:43 am
I think Charles Perkins is a fine, steady player. IMHO, he just lets the little, nagging injuries build into too much distraction. If he can put them in perspective and play through them, and get regular laying time instead of alternating snaps, he will be very productive – not a superstar, but very productive. (Of course, the injuries may be more severe than we know, which will hamper his status.)
At this time, I would vote for David Sims and Orwin Smith to be on field for 75-80% of offensive plays, and have Days, Laskey, and Perkins coing alternately coming in at both A and B back positions. Can Laskey pass-block when necessary?
GT
August 14th, 2012
8:46 am
This is one of the reasons Johnson is a great coach he is a straight talker, very much like Spurrier. Too many coaches try to win popularity contest instead of coaching and even more are just lazy journeymen filling a job description. Johnson is trying to motivate Perkins and I promise you he has a lot more football IQ than WnE or most any of the rest of us. Up at Georgia they try to baby their players praying they can get to the season with enough to play and on that note hats off to Miles for showing Richt why he is one of the top coaches in the country. Richt would have waited for the police to do his work for him
WnE's "logic" at its finest
August 14th, 2012
8:55 am
“Orwin doesn’t have the size to play a “normal” RB slot in a BCS Conf. and run between the tackles 15-22 times per game.
……
Despite putting up great Stats in our System, Orwin has hurt his chances at the next level, he would have had a better shot at getting drafted by going to a BCS school and playing in a Pro-Style (or close) Offense”
The first statement is that Orwin doesn’t have the size to play RB in a pro offense and then the second statement is that he should play in a pro offense. Only in WnE’s head are these statements not in conflict.
dawgfan
August 14th, 2012
9:00 am
“Up at Georgia they try to baby their players…”
There it is. That’s my cue. Morning boys.
That’s some real tough talk coming from a fan whose team basically QUIT in the second half against UGA last year. Go back and watch a replay if you’ve got the stones (You don’t). Your boys quit on you Techie. No passion. No fire. They were just going through the motions. Once again a Techie’s big fat mouth is writing checks his joke program can’t cash. Why am I not surprised?
GTfan 2012
August 14th, 2012
9:36 am
UOAD!!!
GT GRAD
August 14th, 2012
9:55 am
PJ is a master motivator……..I say he is simply using the depth chart to motivate Perkins AND Laskey has obviously played well (he probably deserves the praise as well as some additional playing time!).
With regard to Snoddy: Speed simply equates to wins! If he can play the position as well as or better than the other players on the B-Back depth chart………I say give the kid the ball. With his speed………when he breaks through the line, he could be gone for 6!!!
I really love the depth we have at several key positions!
Ted Striker
August 14th, 2012
10:14 am
I like Lee’s attitude and moxie.
UGA fan here, wishing him well.
Tech Dropout
August 14th, 2012
10:19 am
Whiney contradicted himself in his analysis (if you can call it that) of Orwin Smith. First he said that Orwin is not the right size to play RB for a BCS team, and then he goes on to say how Orwin should have played RB for a BCS team. Huh? Why do you people keep asking for his opinion when you already know what it is – he despises CPJ.
Paddy
August 14th, 2012
10:19 am
Regardless of what many have said; having alot of running backs is real good thing in college football. UGA & Tech are sitting in a fine position this season. Let the games begin!
Hayseed Dixie
August 14th, 2012
10:24 am
@dawgfan
“There it is. That’s my cue. Morning boys.”
Bwhahaa! Dude, you really, really, really need to get a life.
HighTech
August 14th, 2012
10:31 am
Please do not feed the trolls. Ignore them instead.
UOAD!
9/3!
THWG!
Dawg48
August 14th, 2012
10:42 am
What happened to my buddy 5150? Has he been banded from Internet? LOL
DawginLex
August 14th, 2012
10:48 am
Hopefully my reputation as not being a TROLL/Hater preceeds me before you read this:
IMO(again, IMO), I believe Vad Lee is a square peg in a round hole with this offense. He is a talented thrower and from the film I have seen, would potentially thrive in a pro style offense or a spread with run and throw options.
The TO is evidently beating this kid up and short of CPJ modifying it to suit his talents, I see Lee as not really ever contributing at Tech.
I obviously could be wrong but he has DJ Shockley skill set and is being forced to play like Josh Nesbitt.
Just my $.02
I still think y’all go 10-3 including a bowl win
I'm not Vad Lee
August 14th, 2012
10:49 am
What a colossal mistake that young man (Vad Lee) made. A fairly talented real QB signing on with CPJ and his H.S. offense has stopped his career quicker than a blitzing LB. I hope the QB’s being recruited by CPJ see the light before it is to late.
DawginLex
August 14th, 2012
10:50 am
Ken
I just posted someting I do not want to re-write
Filters!!!! Argghhhh!!!!
Supersize that order, mutt
August 14th, 2012
10:51 am
@ Dawg48……yes, he has been temporarily banned because he erupted in a string obscenities Friday night……frustrated at the inconsistency shown by the AJC staff in banning Tech trolls from UGA blogs, but not banning UGA trolls from Tech blogs……this coupled with the pressure he is under from his mother’s illness. He and I have talked, and he and Ken have been in communication as well. All will be ok.
DawginLex
August 14th, 2012
10:52 am
5150 is out?
That ain’t right
He is ok. We know where he stands and is reasonable
Supersize that order, mutt
August 14th, 2012
10:55 am
I have vowed not to respond to the ignorant trolls, but I get so sick of seeing the words “high school offense,” that I cannot sit idly by this time……
@ I’m not Vad Lee”, be a man and educate yourself, IF YOU DARE…….Check out this link, and you will see that Johnson’s offense is probably the most complex offense run by any college in the country. You may not like it, but it is NOT a HS offense, and it is no more gimmicky than any other. It takes a quick-thinking QB to make it work and proper execution. Come on, be a man, and read this —-
http://footballislifeblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/paul-johnsons-if-then-methodology-to.html
Supersize that order, mutt
August 14th, 2012
10:56 am
@ DawginLex…..he’ll be back
Ghost
August 14th, 2012
10:58 am
GT Rich, Lucas Cox doesn’t play football professionally, and Mike Cox his brother that plays for Falcons didn’t play for PJ.
Jacket Detective
August 14th, 2012
10:58 am
@The Mask.
I like this analogy better.
You have a better chance of being squeezed to death by a python in Florida than you do of Laskey being the next Dwyer.
Pythons taking over there so there is the chance, especially if u visit the Everglades.
In 2009 we used a lot of backs.
Usually CPJ used the back who worked best with a specific play.
With the injuries football has (Ryan Mathews injured the first offensive play of the preseason for the Bolts), you cannot have enough good skill players.
Jacket Detective
August 14th, 2012
11:04 am
Forget what some of u want or think about the QB position.
I’ll bet Orwin Smith wants Tevin as the guy because he knows Tevin is the best of the group at getting him the ball.
Maybe I am drinking the koolaid but I like the offensive lineman who are coming into the program, the ones we already have and I think things are looking up for GT.
We still could lose at VT and Clemson.
If we are improved in a lot of areas, then I think we won’t.
We ought to be at least 3 points better per game on special teams.
Now if VT blocks a punt or FG, don’t start whinning that there is no improvement.
VT has had Beamer Ball (great STs) for quite some time.
A new coach will not get us to their level overnight.
Jacket Detective
August 14th, 2012
11:06 am
Well put Suspersize @10:55.
Jacket Detective
August 14th, 2012
11:06 am
Ugg my spelling.
Proves I went to Tech maybe?
Jacket Detective
August 14th, 2012
11:08 am
DawginLex is usually Ok.
And the guy who complemented us on our astronauts, I liked.
I should have noted his name.
Jacket Detective
August 14th, 2012
11:11 am
I hope we do not have the same refs as the time we won at VT with Calvin Johnson and Reggie Ball playing well. Although we won, there were lots of favorable marks helping the home team.
It is a tough job with a stadium of fans screaming at u who probably did not see the play in the first place.
Dawg48
August 14th, 2012
11:36 am
SS, if you talk to UOAD tell him to give me a call. I lost his email, he has my number.
GTBob
August 14th, 2012
11:41 am
I hope the QB’s being recruited by CPJ see the light before it is to late.
The QB’s being recruited by CPJ aren’t being heavily recruited as a QB at other major schools. There is a decent chance that Vad Lee, Justin Thomas, Synjyn Days, and Tevin Washington would have never played QB in a pro style offense at any major school. In our system they get a chance to shine. The real decision is whether they want to be a DB or WR at some other school or play QB at Tech.
crackbaby
August 14th, 2012
11:41 am
Late to the party here. Ken Swilling being honored as an ACC Legend is undeserved and an injustice to much better players from that era. Ken was a big fast recruit who made a splash and played very well his first two seasons. Whoever choose these guys (media?) is lazy and should be reprimanded.
He gained too much weight and was terrible during his senior year. Too slow and could not reverse field to stay with receivers. My guess is his selection is largely attributable to sharing a last name with Pat Swilling.
Far more deserving players are: Willie Clay, Jerrelle Williams, Calvin Tiggle (for the 1990 UVA game alone), William Bell and Shawn Jones.
Just my stinkin’ 2 cents…
WnE
August 14th, 2012
11:52 am
re:
Supersize that order, mutt
August 14th, 2012
10:55 am
I have vowed not to respond to the ignorant trolls, but I get so sick of seeing the words “high school offense,” that I cannot sit idly by this time……
@ I’m not Vad Lee”, be a man and educate yourself, IF YOU DARE…….Check out this link, and you will see that Johnson’s offense is probably the most complex offense run by any college in the country. You may not like it, but it is NOT a HS offense, and it is no more gimmicky than any other. It takes a quick-thinking QB to make it work and proper execution. Come on, be a man, and read this —-
http://footballislifeblog.blogspot.com/2011/07/paul-johnsons-if-then-methodology-to.html
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You guys make this too EASY!
You say it is NOT a “HS offense”, but when you click the link and go half-way down the page, they have a film clip of guess what………………?
A HIGH SCHOOL RUNNING THIS OFFENSE!
Did you even scroll down the page and see the clip of the crappy HS running this offense vs. another non-talented HS?
The evidence that YOU PRESENT that proves that this isn’t a “high school offense”………..wait for it………….wait for it…………………..
SHOWS A HIGH SCHOOL running CPJ’s offense!
Pure comedy!
I couldn’t script this kind of humor if I tried!
Thanks a lot pal, you really teed that one up for me!
I'm not Vad Lee
August 14th, 2012
11:52 am
Ah mutt hater I followed and read your link ? A bunch of what if this then that. What is your point? ALL offenses have similar schemes that follow the what if then that thought process. Do you really understand the game of football? Nothing in that blog indicated the TO was anything more than a H.S. offense. Complete waste of time. I thought you were providing me with an informative link.
Face it CPJ’s offense is H.S. based. An offense designed to compensate for substandard players. If it’s so glorious then why is it run by so few?
Ken Sugiura
August 14th, 2012
11:54 am
dawginlex – your post has been freed. not sure why it got caught. 10:48 a.m.
crackbaby
August 14th, 2012
11:55 am
Mini Rant – for those unmitigated retards who actually think anyone gives a rip about what you posted years ago, much less today, [b]Stick it where the sun don’t shine![/b]
Here is the TRUTH. You don’t recognize any accomplishments or facts that support conclusions contrary to your own – you think like a lawyer, not a scientist, engineer or businessman. Any idiot can look at a guys size and weight and rule him out for being too small. But coaches don’t do that.
Not big enough to play RB in the SEC? How bout Emmitt Smith (5′ 9″), Barry Sanders (oh, good thing he went to Ok State). Wes Welker, Jesse Tuggle, Mike Garrett (USC by the way)? How about Oregon’s backs?
Joe Hamilton? You would’ve passed on him, too.
okay… stepping off the soapbox…..
WnE
August 14th, 2012
11:55 am
re:
Ghost
August 14th, 2012
10:58 am
GT Rich, Lucas Cox doesn’t play football professionally, and Mike Cox his brother that plays for Falcons didn’t play for PJ.
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I thought one of those Cox boys transferred into GT from UConn, and the other was recruited out of HS by Chan.
I think they both played at GT.
1 4 GT
August 14th, 2012
12:05 pm
I thought I heard the announcers on the Falcons preseason game last Thursday mention Mike Cox & GT ib the same sentence……..HHHHHMMMMMMMMM. Could it be? Mike Cox did attend GT??
HighTech
August 14th, 2012
12:07 pm
He did, 1 4 GT, but he didn’t play for CPJ.
HighTech
August 14th, 2012
12:12 pm
http://www.nfl.com/player/mikecox/4235/profile
Supersize that order, mutt
August 14th, 2012
12:14 pm
@ Dawg48…..I just texted UOAD to call you
GT Lee
August 14th, 2012
12:15 pm
and Lucas Cox did play for the Falcons in pre-season 2011…..didn’t make the team and was cut in Sept 2011
crackbaby
August 14th, 2012
12:16 pm
@ Georgia Stein – that article you linked here. http://deadspin.com/5934392/san-diego-state-head-football-coach-might-just-go-for-it-on-fourth-down-this-season
Look at the reply – It’s Chris Kluwe. He’s the Vikings outspoken, and quite intelligent, punter. And he GOES OFF! Great read and for the record, he disagrees with you (with some statistical backup).
Ken – promise us that you won’t let the filter screen out Kluwe if he ever posts on this blog! LOL
crackbaby
August 14th, 2012
12:18 pm
oops, sorry George!
Gorilla Biscuit
August 14th, 2012
12:48 pm
Vad Lee was supposed to be the “savior” at QB and now he can’t even beat out Tevin Washington?
GT Lee
August 14th, 2012
12:52 pm
@Milkbone Monkey, don’t remember anyone calling him a “savior”. What is he saving us from? Do you have a link?
Reality
August 14th, 2012
12:53 pm
Vad will be fine. Nobody can expect him to be perfect at the TO at this time. Tevin will start the first few games to allow Vad to gain experience. Ultimately Vad will be the starter.
Supersize…I’m in agreement with your “Troll” philosophy.
GT Lee
August 14th, 2012
12:55 pm
Hey Milkbone Monkey, didn’t you call someone on ESPN a 3d string vampire? So what are you, a 3rd string troll?
GT Lee
August 14th, 2012
12:57 pm
ooooooops my bad……forgot to ignore the barking dawgs….bark bark woof woof arf ruff whimper whine
Ghost
August 14th, 2012
1:07 pm
WNE, They both played at tech Lucas transferred from UConn, Mike Who plays for falcons played for Chan.
Supersize that order, mutt
August 14th, 2012
1:16 pm
@ Reality……thanks. Whenever tempted to respond to a troll, just type “UOAD !!!” both an appropriate response and a tribute to our temporarily banned friend.
Supersize that order, mutt
August 14th, 2012
1:21 pm
This just in from UOAD —
Lucas Cox is playing QB in Finland and just won a playoff game to get to The World Championship of American gridiron football for their league. It was an overtime game.
“One of the most fun and craziest games I’ve ever played in. Nothing beats a playoff OT win! Playing for the championship in the Spaghetti Bowl next Saturday in Helsinki!”
WnE
August 14th, 2012
1:24 pm
re:
GTBob
August 14th, 2012
11:41 am
I hope the QB’s being recruited by CPJ see the light before it is to late.
The QB’s being recruited by CPJ aren’t being heavily recruited as a QB at other major schools. There is a decent chance that Vad Lee, Justin Thomas, Synjyn Days, and Tevin Washington would have never played QB in a pro style offense at any major school. In our system they get a chance to shine. The real decision is whether they want to be a DB or WR at some other school or play QB at Tech.
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This is one of the major reasons why CPJ’s won’t be able to beat the better teams consistently.
Unless CPJ is “smarter” than all the other BCS-level HCs , then the QBs that he is bringing in are limited as far as developing as polished passers.
So he’s basically getting “leftovers” at QB, that the “big boys” don’t think can pass good enough, and he supposed to try an transform them into QBs that can beat UGA and win bowl games.
It would seem that CPJ would set aside his stubbornness, and run an offense that will attract decent passers that have the upside to develop into polished passers, and then he’ll have a better chance to beat the better teams we play and to win a Bowl game for a change.
Someone on CPJ’s staff has to recognize that we simply don’t pass good enough to beat good teams consistently.
In our system they get a chance to shine vs. Dook & Wake & SC State, & W. Carolina & MTSU and then when we play UGA or a Bowl team we crap the bed.
It ought to be obvious by now that CPJ is NOT playing “chess” while everyone else is playing checkers.
CPJ’s “smartest guy in the room strategy” for Recruiting QBs is not working very well!
Supersize that order, mutt
August 14th, 2012
1:28 pm
UOAD !!!!
WnE
August 14th, 2012
1:28 pm
re:
Ghost
August 14th, 2012
1:07 pm
WNE, They both played at tech Lucas transferred from UConn, Mike Who plays for falcons played for Chan.
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Thanks for the follow up.
Lucas that played for CPJ is playing in the Spaghetti Bowl in Finland and Mike that played for Chan has played in the NFL and is trying to make another NFL roster.
But I’m crazy, the “system” you play in makes no difference at all!
GT Lee
August 14th, 2012
1:32 pm
ignore the barking dawg……woof woof woof
Supersize that order, mutt
August 14th, 2012
1:33 pm
UOAD !!!!!
GTVegas
August 14th, 2012
2:04 pm
I’ll play.
UOAD !!!!!
GTBob
August 14th, 2012
2:09 pm
So he’s basically getting “leftovers” at QB, that the “big boys” don’t think can pass good enough, and he supposed to try an transform them into QBs that can beat UGA and win bowl games.
No, he is getting QBs that are very talented overall and fit well into our offensive scheme. I am surprised that you haven’t noticed this yet but our offense is slightly different from most other teams.
Jacket Detective
August 14th, 2012
2:12 pm
UOAD
Gorilla Biscuit
August 14th, 2012
2:15 pm
Tevin Washington.
Al Groh.
GT Lee
August 14th, 2012
2:24 pm
hey Milkbone Monkey, got that link yet?
WnE
August 14th, 2012
2:32 pm
re:
GTBob
August 14th, 2012
2:09 pm
So he’s basically getting “leftovers” at QB, that the “big boys” don’t think can pass good enough, and he supposed to try an transform them into QBs that can beat UGA and win bowl games.
No, he is getting QBs that are very talented overall and fit well into our offensive scheme. I am surprised that you haven’t noticed this yet but our offense is slightly different from most other teams.
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That sounds good on a message board or blog, but when we needs to pass to scroes points at the end of the half or the end of the game to win, like a 2-min offense for example, we cannot get it done.
When we are in obvious passing downs, the offense makes no difference, ours is at a huge disadvantage.
This puts unnecessary pressure on our O to be perfect on 1st & 2nd downs or else be forced to pass on 3rd.
So far, slightly different has not been better vs. the better teams that we play.
Al Bundy
August 14th, 2012
2:34 pm
5150 UOAD I hope you Mom get’s better soon. I will remember your Mom in my prayers. Look forward to reading your posts soon.
Supersize that order, mutt
August 14th, 2012
2:41 pm
UOAD !!
GT Lee
August 14th, 2012
2:45 pm
bark bark woof woof
Supersize that order, mutt
August 14th, 2012
2:48 pm
Didn’t somebody earlier on here say that Mike Cox is no longer with the Falcons???
WRONG !!!
GT Lee
August 14th, 2012
2:57 pm
Super, with Mughelli gone and the new draft pick from Wisconsin hurt(out for year, knee) Mike should get a lot of reps at FB
GTfan 2012
August 14th, 2012
3:05 pm
UOAD!!!! I want to dispell one of the biggest myths on here, and that is regarding the size of GT’s DL. WE ARE NOT UNDERSIZED no matter how much certain posters try to convince us. Here’s proof. Here are the weights of the starting DL for three teams that run the 3-4 (listed DE NT DE).
300 280 285
275 345 300
309 351 269
295 307 284
Ok, do you see any differences? If you do please point them out to me, because I see very little difference among the sizes of these players. And that’s really interesting, because 1 is GT, 1 is UGA, 1 is the Pittsbugh Steelers, and 1 is the Houston Texans. Now of course, the next argument will be (without any facts to back it up) that the talent level of the GT line isn’t up to the level of these other DLs. And that may well be true, but is not the primary argument that has been made about GT’s DL.
GTfan 2012
August 14th, 2012
3:06 pm
sorry, obviously that’s four teams, not three.
CC
August 14th, 2012
3:12 pm
Tech will win 8 games at best.
Gorilla Biscuit
August 14th, 2012
3:19 pm
“Ok, do you see any differences?”
One difference is that you’ve got a big fat guy at NT who can’t get out of his own way.
GTBob
August 14th, 2012
3:22 pm
That sounds good on a message board or blog, but when we needs to pass to scroes points at the end of the half or the end of the game to win, like a 2-min offense for example, we cannot get it done.
That is very true. Our team is not really setup well for a 2 minute offense. Is the 2 minute drill so important though that we should abandon an otherwise very successful offense?
With CPJ’s offense: 30 points a game (2 top 25 offenses)
Average scoring offensive rank: 45th
The 4 years before CPJ: 24 points a game (0 top 50 offenses)
Average scoring offensive rank: 79th
How exactly were we doing so much better with a pro style offense?
GT Lee
August 14th, 2012
3:46 pm
Gorilla Biscuit
August 14th, 2012
3:19 pm
“Ok, do you see any differences?”
One difference is that you’ve got a big fat guy at NT who can’t get out of his own way.
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Another failed attempt at humor from Milkbone Monkey……
Ol'JacketFan
August 14th, 2012
3:52 pm
UOAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hayseed Dixie
August 14th, 2012
3:53 pm
@GTBob
We weren’t doing much better with a pro style offense.
CPJ’s option is perfectly suited to the type of players the Institute normally recruits.
We’ve had no real D. There’s been no real ‘vibe’ or story to our defense. The year we won an ACC Championship we had a handful of playmakers but no real substance to our D.
We need a shut-down defense and a lights-out QB. Kind of like every. other. team. and. system. in. CFB. Funny how that works.
@DawginLex….
….the anti-troll.
Welcome back for another season. Lord knows while your CFB insight might be higher than most folks, your civility certainly is.
William Casey
August 14th, 2012
4:36 pm
Every time I see the term “high school offense,” I cringe. Not because it’s an insult but, because it’s silly. Perhaps, it’s because I was a high school offensive coordinator for a number of years. CPJ’s offense involves intricate blocking schemes and calls FAR beyond anything I ever saw in high school. Maybe y’all were at better schools with better opponents than I was. How does a high school offense consistently come close to leading the nation in rushing? Yes, CPJ’s offense has been stuffed a couple of times (Iowa and Miami come to mind.) Yes, it would be nice to have a better passer. I just don’t get this pejorative term. Almost ALL of GT’s losses in the CPJ era have resulted from: (1) bad defense, (2) bad special teams, and (3) fumbles. All I know is that CPJ’s offense has hung a lot more points and yards on UGA than Chan’s “modern” pro-style offense ever did. You can look it up.
Ol'JacketFan
August 14th, 2012
4:38 pm
Tech wasn’t doing anything under Gailey and his vaunted Pro Style attack other than win 7 games for 5 seasons and luck into 9 wins the other. Please don’t compate Chan Gailey to anyone’s idea of a coach preparing his players for the pros!
JM
August 14th, 2012
4:48 pm
too many injuries. this team needs everyone to be healthy.
BLT
August 14th, 2012
5:09 pm
Gorilla Biscuit
August 14th, 2012
3:19 pm
“Ok, do you see any differences?”
One difference is that you’ve got a big fat guy at NT who can’t get out of his own way.
*We’ve been asked not to respond to such insults. I’m going to respect that request even though I can think of a couple of doozies right off the bat. Have a great day Mr. Biscuit!
tripledart
August 14th, 2012
5:54 pm
Way too early to tell.Great comparison of their schedules.Tech will be dine but it is rough when all your players go to class and not jail and study.MOONDAWG YOU SUCK
AA
August 14th, 2012
5:59 pm
I also would have thought Snoddy would be placed in the BBack position..I am guessing it is his weight that is keeping him at A Back. Maybe by next season after more time in the weight room.
1 4 GT
August 14th, 2012
6:44 pm
It sure is tough not firing back at some guys. Especially when you KNOW they are wrong. Oh well. Life is full of disappointments.
Dawg1
August 14th, 2012
6:54 pm
When Laskey committed to Tech, there were a couple of Dawg fans making fun of this kid. I defended him then and said that he was a nice pick up for Tech.
What the kid does well is ‘run down hill’. He is a tough runner and works his ‘butt off’. I find the comments about having ‘quick feet’ interesting – he is faster than he looks, but I watching the kid, never thought of him as quick. But hey, I’m also not the coach, so if CPJ says he has quick feet – he has quick feet.
He comes from a great family and deserves everything he gets. I hope he has a tremendous career at Tech, with the exception of the obvious.
Big Crimson 75
August 14th, 2012
7:02 pm
Damn, I didn’t know Twinkie, Kool-aid & Smart were gonna have to serve the suspension with 5150!!!
paul johnson
August 14th, 2012
7:29 pm
what
nesbitt
August 14th, 2012
7:30 pm
Why do we have to wear the yellow panyies
Dawg48
August 14th, 2012
7:30 pm
Looking like Oregon is going to get it next from the NCAA.
“@ESPNChrisLarsen: Rumor re: possible #Oregon sanctions. 4 years probation, 2 year bowl ban, 30 scholarships over 3 years. #Ducks #Pac12”
“@RichCirminiello: Rumors beginning to circulate that #Oregon could get whacked very hard by NCAA within the week … worse than many expect”
Big Crimson 75
August 14th, 2012
8:14 pm
48 — Oregon’s rise was too good to be true.
Bet the farm Phil Knight is involved.
…while their at it, I’m sure every thing is on the up & up with Okie St & their benefactor, T. Boone Pickens.
Let’s see now, the most recent severe sanctions have been given to USC, Ohio St, Penn St now possibly Oregon………Looks like the “All they do is cheat in the SEC” comedy routine may need to get an update!!
BLT
August 14th, 2012
8:19 pm
“panyies”
LOL…
BLT
August 14th, 2012
8:23 pm
Well whatever it is, all they need to do is self report the violations and smile for the NCAA investigators. That’s a real big deal for them.
Big Crimson 75
August 14th, 2012
8:23 pm
How exactly were we doing so much better with a pro style offense?
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Bob — simple answer my friend, y’all had Megatron!!
Do you not know how difficult it is to stop a Transformer?!!
Big Crimson 75
August 14th, 2012
8:27 pm
BLT — Bingo!!
Are the Institutions that self-report or “aid” in these investigations actually getting off with lenient Sentences?
If so, is that suppose to be fair??
GSUStud
August 14th, 2012
8:34 pm
Well, that doesn’t sound very good. And just over three weeks left. Va Tech mush be licking their chops.
BLT
August 14th, 2012
8:42 pm
BC75, it seemed to be a big deal for the NCAA regarding Tech. Yes, I’m biased but it appears the NCAA rulings are arbitrary. No “fairness” enters the equation…
They’ve already penalized UNC and stuff is still coming up there. I wonder what will happen to Miami? I believe they’ve already self reported.
The biggest thing for me is punishing the players that did nothing wrong. i.e. Taking Tech’s championship.
BLT
August 14th, 2012
8:43 pm
Thanks 2 by 4
Big Crimson 75
August 14th, 2012
8:57 pm
I don’t care if the U kept impeccable records pertaining to their Player “payoffs” & put the NC2A investigators in the Pent-House suite @ the Hilton-Bentley, those guys deserve at least what Penn St got dealt!!
Shapiro was on the Field!! — He was flaunting/taunting after he got caught — Randy Shannon looked like a fool.
Next to point shaving, boosters paying players is the worst offense in College Athletics, just ahead of scum-bag “agents”. If You wanna see all 3 in action simultaneously, take a trip down the road to Auburn!!!!
buzzwax
August 15th, 2012
11:45 am
Perkins played as a stand up back in a spread offense in HS not BB. Good hands and good in space. IMO he doesn’t like ‘pounding’ on every play. AB? Maybe he doesn’t like blocking? Snoddy played BB in HS in an offense very similar to ours. Maybe he is still learning to block? Maybe he doesn’t have the ‘wiggle’ or hands for AB? He certainly is blazingly fast. If he has good hands for KO returns we get to the 30 at minimum on every return. Laskey is a FOOTBALL player who is tough as nails, that is why he is doing so well.