Attorney assesses Tech’s chances with NCAA
Greetings-
This comes from an interview with Michael Buckner, a Florida-based attorney who has vast experience representing schools and coaches in dealings with the NCAA. As I noted in the story in Friday’s paper, he represented the only case out of 13 since the NCAA changed its appeals process rules that had its infractions committee ruling overturned. If there’s sufficient interest, I may post another blog about Buckner’s thoughts about the NCAA enforcement staff and infractions committee, probably after I return from ACC media days in Pinehurst, N.C. I imagine there’ll be plenty to write about from there.
The first deals with the difficulties Georgia Tech will have winning its appeal, some of which I dealt with in an earlier blog. The second will include Buckner’s opinions on NCAA enforcement and investigations, which I hope will make for some interesting reading.
A brief background: In 2008, the NCAA has made it tougher for schools and individuals to win appeals. It came after the NCAA had lost a number of appeals, including one by Georgia Tech in 2006 that had vacated six seasons of victories, including the 1998 ACC title shared with Florida State. Buckner said the changes were made “to try to stop the bleeding.” In an e-mail, NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn said the changes were made “to ensure the same deference was given to Committee on Infractions decisions as the review of findings of fact on appeal,” which I take to mean a limitation of the appeals committee’s ability to overturn cases.
The primary change was elevating one standard for overturning an appeal from inappropriate based on evidence and circumstances to “excessive” and “an abuse of discretion.”
As a result, without even knowing the merits of Tech’s case or its appeal plans, Buckner said, “I don’t think that, based upon recent case precedent, that they’ll probably be very successful.” Specifically regarding Tech’s case, Buckner thinks Tech’s case is tougher to win for a couple different reasons, but offers one suggestion.
One, he said he thought the infractions committee “did a very smart thing” in supporting its finding of Tech’s failure to cooperate with several examples. Actions by former counsel Randy Nordin and others, including athletic director Dan Radakovich, that the NCAA said hindered the investigation and damaged its integrity are cited all over the report.
Tech officials may well try to argue the penalty was “excessive and is an abuse of discretion” of the infractions committee, which is a tack most schools take.
Infractions committee members, Buckner said, “really insulated themselves from the ‘abuse of discretion’ argument because, upon appeal, the Committee on Infractions can say, ‘Look, the reason we imposed a $100,000 fine or imposed these other penalties is because of the egregious nature of the institution’s actions, and we were able to demonstrate that in the infractions report.’”
Two, a recent appellate ruling has limited schools’ ability to argue case precedent. When USC appealed penalties mostly tracing back to violations related to Reggie Bush, the appeals committee found that “the guidance provided by prior decisions is, and always has been, a matter of judgment.”
Buckner said the ruling “basically renders a lot of cases which are potentially good cases (to use as precedents) to be meaningless.”
This may not matter that much – though it certainly doesn’t help – because Tech’s case is unusual. As Tech associate athletic director Wayne Hogan said Thursday, the case “is so odd and so different from many other cases that we’ve seen, I believe you have to look at this one in a whole different light.”
(This is very, very inside baseball, but in his blog, Buckner posits that this ruling on the value of case precedent could ultimately be damaging for the NCAA.)
Along those lines, Tech’s ability to argue case precedent is also limited by the small number of cases (13) that have been appealed with the new rules. If Tech tries to cite a case prior to 2008, the infractions committee, in its report to the appeals committee, can claim “the case was based on a rule that is no longer valid anymore,” according to Buckner.
In its response to the NCAA’s Notice of Allegations, Tech did argue case precedent regarding the violation concerning the conditions and obligations of membership. All three came after the 2008 bylaw changes.
Three, Tech has a sliver of an opening in regards to the infractions committee’s ruling on Demaryius Thomas. He was ruled to have been guilty of a “preferential treatment” violation for accepting $312 worth of clothes from, the NCAA determined, his cousin’s roommate. (In Tech’s version, the clothes came from his cousin, which would not be a violation.) However, Thomas was never declared ineligible, even retroactively.
It could be argued that it’s excessive to vacate a game when the NCAA or institution didn’t declare any participants ineligible. Buckner called it an “oddity about the decision” and said that if he were Tech’s attorney, he would raise the point.
However, there’s a couple problems with that. The infractions committee will submit a report to the appeals committee and almost certainly will address why it didn’t declare Thomas ineligible. Second, Tech has acknowledged that Thomas should have been declared ineligible, at least temporarily. This is from Tech’s response to the allegations.
“In hindsight, even though the University does not believe that the available information supports a conclusion that he was ineligible, it would have been best for the University to have declared Thomas ineligible at the time.”
(Which doesn’t necessarily mean that Tech thinks Thomas did something wrong. Standard procedure is for schools, if they think there’s a possible violation, to declare the athlete ineligible to protect itself against the possibility of being found to have played games with a team member who had run afoul of the NCAA.)
That’s it in a somewhat large nutshell. This doesn’t mean I think Georgia Tech is guilty and is wrong shouldn’t appeal, or, for that matter, that I think Tech isn’t guilty and should appeal. (Though that would be a strange conclusion to draw.) It’s just going to be a difficult case to win.
I would say this, though. I think, if it thinks it was wronged, Tech should appeal, regardless of what its chances are. The worst that can happen is the appeal will be denied and the probationary period will start a few months later than it would have otherwise.
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Ken Sugiura, AJC
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186 comments Add your comment
Ralph
July 22nd, 2011
12:18 pm
Yes, we know the AJC doesn’t think Tech will win the appeal. You’ve put it in Blogs and columns. Move on until the results are in.
Tech fan
July 22nd, 2011
12:22 pm
If Tech screwed up, they screwed up. The school has got to move on and the fans as well. 2011 season, here we come! THWG!
FDawg
July 22nd, 2011
12:27 pm
Even though I’m a DAWG …I think Tech should appeal. The punishment doesn’t fit the crime.
dawgmatic
July 22nd, 2011
12:28 pm
Say it ain’t so, NERDS!!
gtalum06
July 22nd, 2011
12:30 pm
Someone tell that guy that Tech is not a “University”… how am I supposed to trust his judgement/knowledge if he can’t figure out that the Georgia Institute of Technology is an “Institute” rather than a “University”… just a thought.
Either way, it will be a tough case to win simply b/c the NCAA has structured themselves in such a way that it’s Tech’s job to prove innocence rather than be proven guilty of such charges. That, and the NCAA is trying to set an example, unfortunately for Tech, we get to be the guinea pig here.
Noob
July 22nd, 2011
12:48 pm
So Techies…..
If by some miracle Tech does win the appeal, are you convinced that the nation will all applaud you, and think of you as a noble school who just fought justice and won with honor??
Since you have a very narrow curriculum, go read a thing or to about PUBLIC RELATIONS, and realize that your image is tainted no matter what the outcome.
Bottom line is, Tech CHEATED, and did it in a very dishonest way while already on probation (or just off of it for a matter of days), and the NCAA is fed up with your program trying to dance around the rules which it sets forth.
I hope you win the appeal. It would be more than entertaining watching you little geeks celebrate and act as if you just “won one for the good guys”.
And so you really think it is a good thing that Sean Bedford, Paul Johnson and other notable players in this process have been outspoken about how “awful” and “ridiculous” the NCAA is, and then plan to stand before them and ask for a change of heart??
DAMAGE IS DONE.
Your program is dishonest, full of cheats, and is nowhere near the model of excellence you have delusioned yourselves into being.
(and before you assume I am a UGA fan, I am not….. others feel the same way about you pompous, cocky, rude, crass geeks)
Noob
July 22nd, 2011
12:49 pm
Tech cheated.
Tech got caught.
Tech was outspoken and rude in handling the punishment.
Now Tech wants to beg for forgiveness and appeal??
HAHA. Good luck with that one.
Ryan Kaczmarski
July 22nd, 2011
12:52 pm
University: noun: An educational institution designed for instruction, examination, or both, of students in many branches of advanced learning, conferring degrees in various faculties, and often embodying colleges and similar institutions.
I would say Tech is a “University”.
Idiot.
Rodney Dangerfield
July 22nd, 2011
12:55 pm
Gtalum06 is the reason why people outside of the GA Tech fanbase do not take GA Tech fans seriously. Who gives two flips if Tech is an Institute or University other than you and your lunatic fringe? It is a school in which you can get a degree just like any other university. Get over it.
Ken Sugiura
July 22nd, 2011
12:57 pm
gtalum06 – you’ll find this hard to believe, but the “university” wording was actually in Tech’s response to NCAA allegations. Tech people chose the word. it’s possible it was done by outside counsel, or maybe there’s some specific protocol schools have to follow in responding to allegations, but, there it is.
ralph – thanks. i think that’ll be it, at least until they file and the process begins, not counting what buckner has to say about the ncaa. which doesn’t sound like much of an offer, i realize.
collegeballfan
July 22nd, 2011
12:58 pm
This case, based on my reading of the report, is not about breaking rules. It is about the NCAA getting their feelings hurt. And that is not a charge that can be supported by hard evidence. It is also a charge that cannot be defended by hard evidence.
They got their feeling hurt. And so they punished Tech for hurting their feelings.
doc
July 22nd, 2011
12:59 pm
nice work ken. enjoy following, just cant get into the belittling that goes back and forth between the twerps and puppies. seems like few men actually show up here and i state this as a 55 year tech man.
Rodney Dangerfield
July 22nd, 2011
1:00 pm
I’m still trying to figure out how Tech cheated.
Jacketman
July 22nd, 2011
1:01 pm
You might as well appeal. No reason not to.
Jacketman
July 22nd, 2011
1:02 pm
Rodney Dangerfield, the only thing Tech did wrong was be uncooperative.
Rodney Dangerfield
July 22nd, 2011
1:03 pm
Some guy that could be connected to an agent giving some clothes to Thomas is cheating? Sounds more like Thomas made a bad decision accepting the clothes. We all know it didn’t help Thomas catch that last pass during the UGA game. Please tell me how this gave Tech an advantage.
Jacketman
July 22nd, 2011
1:05 pm
They never proved that Calvin was connected to an agent.
UGaG
July 22nd, 2011
1:10 pm
And the “The Athens Detention Center” wants to talk about some other school’s mistakes!!!!!!!!!!
T3
July 22nd, 2011
1:13 pm
I remain FIRMLY convinced GT will win this appeal, and win it CONVINCINGLY.
All that’s needed is already present and available.
Ryan Kaczmarski
July 22nd, 2011
1:22 pm
Tech “cheated” when they played an ineligible player.
DO you need the definition of “ineligible player”??
GTBrad
July 22nd, 2011
1:30 pm
Noob,
Beg for forgiveness? I don’t think so. They’re not begging anybody. They just want to prove that Tech is not as bad as the NCAA accuses them of being. If you were called out for something that you know you did not mean to portray would you not want to try to redeem yourself or are you just a pushover?
techfan
July 22nd, 2011
1:31 pm
Tech “cheated” when they played an ineligible player.
To this day he still hasn’t been declared ineligible. You might learn something if you read the blogs before you post.
Ryan Kaczmarski
July 22nd, 2011
1:32 pm
I have no idea what I am talking about
bulldog steve
July 22nd, 2011
1:34 pm
Tech knew it had no chance to win those final games without those players, so they rolled the dice and lost. If they would have sat them, they are not ACC champs, so they are no worse off, other than the 100k. Which I am sure they will spend working on the appeal.
Noneya
July 22nd, 2011
1:41 pm
Ryan….you Sir, are an idiot. Clearly you must be a UGA fan who can’t read. No player was ineligible. Not then, not ever. Read the report.
And I still want to know how you tell the coach he should bench a player because he “might” be ineligible without having a conversation with the coach.
AD: Coach….you need to bench one of your best players for the championship.
Coach: Why?
AD: I can’t tell you why…or who….but you need to bench him anyway.
Coach: Huh?
AD: Well, I could tell you, but then I’d have to kill you.
Coach: Excuse me Sir, but are you F&(&&%(* insane!
AD: OK…I “could” tell you. But then you’ll forfeit the games if Thomas plays…D’oh…now I’ve gone and told you.
Coach: Please stop drinking during the day.
Techy
July 22nd, 2011
1:47 pm
Seriously, they were supposed to bench a player due to an NCAA investigation going on but Coach was not to be told that this was going on? The more and more I read into this the more and more I think the NCAA is smoking crack.
Rduck
July 22nd, 2011
1:48 pm
Ryan… he was never declared “ineligible”. Tech even had the ACC look into it and they didn’t declare him ineligible either. Try not to let facts get in the way of your stupidity…
Rduck
July 22nd, 2011
1:50 pm
Noneya… love it! thats sums it up the best. it was a stupid request by the NCAA investigator to start with…
Ryan Kaczmarski
July 22nd, 2011
1:50 pm
You’re right, Im sorry. I am such an idiot…..
Techmate
July 22nd, 2011
1:51 pm
I think it’s important for schools to “push back” against an authoritative body that seems out of control. Tech needs to appeal and every other college and university in the country ought to be hoping that Tech appeals. . . and wins. Because if somebody does not push back against this arrogant organization, then the NCAA will just steam roll everyone. . . including you ugly, mama’s-boys from Georgia.
bb
July 22nd, 2011
1:52 pm
Ken,
In every article you have written on this topic in the last week you have stated that Tech agrees that Thomas should have been declared ineligible, then you include a quote to support that statement that in no way says that Tech thought Thomas should have been or would ever be declared ineligible. The quote clearly show that Tech officials disargeed that Thomas should be declared ineligible. It only says that in hindsight (i.e. considering the ruling) they should probably have given the NCAA investigator’s opinion more weight.
It’s almost like you think if you say it often enough that will make it true.
Sopwith Camel
July 22nd, 2011
1:55 pm
Techy, you have a good point. If the coach wasn’t supposed to know that an investigation was going on then who was it that the NCAA thinks should have benched the player?? Do they think the Athletics Director should have gone over the coach’s head and benched one of his players without telling him why??
Techy
July 22nd, 2011
1:59 pm
Sopwith, it makes no sense the more you think about it. Can you imagine CPJ walking into the locker room the day of the UGA game and Demarious Thomas isnt in there? CPJ asks why he isnt there and everyone doesnt say anything…….CPJ would punch someone!!!!
JM
July 22nd, 2011
2:03 pm
Tech should appeal and in most legal situations would win. However, the NCAA does not operate on a level field. The NCAA is proving itself worse than the BCS, who would have thought that would happen?
Matt Skole
July 22nd, 2011
2:04 pm
And the “The Athens Detention Center” wants to talk about some other school’s mistakes!!!!!!!!!!
Hic …. LOL I was so drunk I could have killed somebody Hic …. and I didn’t even get suspended at the Institute.
Me and Reuben Houston are hanging out this weekend in the ATL. Better not be on the roads LOL Hic …..
headley lamar
July 22nd, 2011
2:06 pm
Sigh.
Would be nice for tech to take the high road and take their punishment like a man.
We know that’s not going to happen though. They will whine about how the big bad NCAA is sooo unfair and how they have never ever done anything wrong.
WAAAAAAAAA
Just like a three year old.
gt4ever
July 22nd, 2011
2:07 pm
bulldog steve,
There was NO reason to sit any players….. Good Grief, what is ot with you bulldawg fans…
jack ee
July 22nd, 2011
2:07 pm
so NCAA changed the rules after GT won an appeal before, let’s do it again. This attorney is a moron or Ken you interviewed him before he even has had a chance to know what is going on. One day your paper prints a story that says GT didn’t do anything and now you have some attorney who knows nothing about any of it say it doesn’t look good.
Sure hope DRAD ensures this attorney is representing GT or finds someone else.
There is something very wrong in college football when the NCAA thinks it is perfectly fine for Auburn to allow CAM to play because he “didn’t know” his father was soliciting money for his services. Are you kidding me? Any kid whose father is soliting services should not be allowed to play anywhere. There is not infraction for that? Has this country gone insane? And GT is suppose to bow down to these idiots?
BIG BEE
July 22nd, 2011
2:11 pm
Another comment from BOOB, or NOOB. What ever. Maybe misspelled and should be a comment from the IDIOT.
Old Blind Dawg
July 22nd, 2011
2:25 pm
Good luck to the bee’s but I suspect it will end in more frustration. I do wonder what GT hopes to accomplish – get to keep trophy – get the money back – both – ????
Ramlin Man
July 22nd, 2011
2:29 pm
Ken,
Thanks for the updates.
Anybody out there have a clue what rivals is eluding to when it says Tech faithful will have something to look forward to this weekend?
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
2:33 pm
Is Boo Boo gonna be declared ineligible? I guess it all depends on what your definition of the word “is” is.
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Ramlin Man
July 22nd, 2011
2:33 pm
old blind dawg,
I would imagine they would like the trophy back and maybe a year or so knocked off the probation, but mainly I think it’s a pride thing and it hurts the reputation of the school and staff. Under the new appeals I don’t see anything changing though, the system fully benefits the NCAA to do whatever they want with no oversight.
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
2:34 pm
I eat my own boogers…..
Techy
July 22nd, 2011
2:35 pm
Ramblin Man, Not sure what that means…..I have heard Will Adams may commit today.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
2:35 pm
Accepting punishment is not taking it like a man, headley. Fighting it if you think it’s wrong is acting like a man. Perhaps you’d have advised blacks in the 1950’s that drank from the wrong water fountain or sat in the wrong seats on a bus to take their punishment rather than fighting the rules. Very bright.
Bingo, collegeballfan. It’s always been about the NCAA having had their feelings hurt.
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
2:37 pm
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
2:34 pm
Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Thank you, thank you, pocket protector boy.
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA!!!
GT87
July 22nd, 2011
2:38 pm
Noneya hit the nail on the head. Well said.
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
2:39 pm
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
2:35 pm
You gotta be kidding. Look, I’m no fan of the NCAA, but to compare tech’s response to the penalty with racial segregation of the 50’s is a helluva helluva helluva helluva helluva stretch, don’t you think?
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
2:41 pm
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
2:38 pm
Still imitating? Come on boy, you can bring the juice better than that, can’t you? I mean, you teck boys are all smart and everything, right?
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Techy
July 22nd, 2011
2:43 pm
I dont think he was comparing the two. Just giving an example of standing up for what you believe to be the right thing.
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
2:44 pm
Go Jackets, can’t wait for the upcoming season. THWG!!!
BWAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Stinger 2
July 22nd, 2011
2:45 pm
Noneya: I am still laughing about your posted conversation between DRad and CPJ. Best one I have read in a long time. Please try another one when you find something else so ridiculious its funny.
George "Stretch" Stein
July 22nd, 2011
2:45 pm
Nuff said – preposterous – poor choice of words – fool. Comments like that make hope the NCAA tells GT -you want to play hardball then we will play hardball.
George you are usually somewhat level headed – have you been drinking ?
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
2:46 pm
Techy
July 22nd, 2011
2:43 pm
I understand, but the tech issue pales in comparison. Truthfully, I hope tech wins the appeal. I look forward to the day when someone, maybe the Supreme Court, lets the air out of the NCAA. It’ll be good for everyone.
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
2:48 pm
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
2:44 pm
Dude, you are soooooo lame. Jackin’ a handle and your best is “boogers”, “douche”, and “THWG”? I reallly for sorry for you. Must be some life you live….
BWAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
dude
July 22nd, 2011
2:49 pm
Ken – thx for the insightful and objective description of the issue. It’s about behavior the rules, not the accused team.
Techy
July 22nd, 2011
2:50 pm
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
2:46 pm
Well, you know the penalties are of zero consequence going forward so if the dont win the appeal, I will not care. But I do think that it is a no brainer to do given the strange facts surrounding this investigation.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
2:51 pm
Actually, Ryan, it would be helpful if you could define ineligible.
What’s funny is that if you bothered to read the report, Thomas’ ineligibility was hardly clear. The NCAA got hung on whether the clothes were given to him by his cousin or the roommate, which is a distinction without a real difference. If it was the runner for the agent, I’d understand. But the facts were at best cloudy and Thomas should not have been held out based on a hunch by the NCAA.
Old Gold Britches
July 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
Tell the bartender no more drinks for the grinch …..please!
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
2:55 pm
I’m not comparing Tech’s punishment with segregation. I’m suggesting that fighting your punishment when you think it’s wrong isn’t whining. If I chose a poor analogy, I apologize.
Delbert D.
July 22nd, 2011
2:59 pm
I always thought that the only way the cops could sneak up on people is with a warrant signed by a judge. Seems the NCAA procedure to deal with institutions is “don’t ask, don’t tell”, and “we’ll let you know what’s wrong if there is anything there.”
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
3:07 pm
Old Gold Britches
July 22nd, 2011
2:53 pm
I’ve never had the opportunity to patronize your establishment, but I’m sure the liquor isn’t watered down too much. Looks like that teck engineering degree worked out well for you.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Ramlin Man
July 22nd, 2011
3:13 pm
Techy,
Adams would be a nice pickup and would brighten my day.
I swear if all the posts I had written that disappeared on the site downloaded at one time it would crash.
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
3:15 pm
Ramlin Man
July 22nd, 2011
3:13 pm
I’ve had that happen before, and you know what solved it for me? I changed the email address block. I can’t guarantee it will work for you, but it’s worked for me in the past. Heck, you can even insert a bogus email address and it may work.
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
3:20 pm
tech fans take note – if you’re looking for a player to get excited about, keep your eye on the Snoddy kid you signed out of Carrollton. He’s a bolt of lightning and a pretty good kid all around. He ran the second fastest 100 meter dash for high schoolers in the country this past school year. I feel he will excel in PJ’s offensive set. Remember, Broderick Snoddy.
Terry
July 22nd, 2011
3:22 pm
Looks like the NCAA will be after Tech every time they sneeze from now on, not saying Tech was wrong, but some times it better to bite the bullet instead of having to look over your shoulder all the time, and if the NCAA had a axe to grind with Tech before this, it will have a big axe to grind now.
Ugag
July 22nd, 2011
3:23 pm
It is about time for the Dawg’s to have a player arrested!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
3:26 pm
Ugag
July 22nd, 2011
3:23 pm
Will this happen before or after you mother is arrested again?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Delbert D.
July 22nd, 2011
3:28 pm
New Provisional Guidelines for Student-Athletes
1. You will not answer phone calls. Possession of personal cellular telephones is not permitted.
2. You will not open any mail addressed to you.
3. You will not engage in conversations with anyone other than team members, the coaching staff and classroom instructors. Discussions will be limited to approved topics.
4. You may use only computers provided by the institution, and these computers will have email and any other forms of messaging disabled.
5. When not attending classes or practice, you will remain in your assigned dormitory at all times. No visitors are permitted.
6. You will be marched to meals at the dining hall along with all of your teammates.
7. You will treat your family and former friends as enemy agents who are intent on doing you harm.
8. You will not accept any gift or offer of anything that may be construed to have financial value from anyone. Plain tap water for emergency hydration is the only exception.
Additional restrictive guidelines will be added as loopholes are discovered.
Enjoy you stay at ___________ (institution of higher learning).
Sincerely,
NCAA Administrator of Student-Athlete Control
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
3:29 pm
That might be fair, Terry. I’d be fine with a UGA fan saying we shouldn’t appeal for that reason. I’m not certain I agree, but I do understand the logic.
SuperB
July 22nd, 2011
3:29 pm
As with Ohio State last year, GT played Thomas because– they wanted to win. they should have held him out and taken their chances. Ditto for the real bad cheaters at Ohio State.
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
3:35 pm
Just a question – in the game(s) that Thomas played in where he may have been ineligible, what impact did he have? I know that’s not relevant according to the NCAA, but just curious if tech truly felt he needed to play in order for them to win.
Ramlin Man
July 22nd, 2011
3:39 pm
Delbert thanks for the laugh.
SuperB,
I agree to a point. Ohio State and the NCAA knew there was actual wrong doing and looked the other way for money reasons. GT knew there was the preception of wrong doing and a argument can be made that Thomas should have sat. The staff thought there was no wrong doing and was lead to believe the same by the NCAA. Also remember that Burnett was being investigated and was exonerated by the NCAA so should he have been sat out then later apoligized to for missing the final three games. He is also the one that was spoken to by CPJ so it is wierd that nothing further was ruled on in the case. The whole case is wierd and was mishandles on both ends by people that are suppose to be professionals.
Ramlin Man
July 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm
Grinch,
Just look at the passing stats from when he played and when he did not. He was a big part in the win. Even if you take the receiving stats out of the picture he was a great blocker and opened huge holes for the backs.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm
Nicely done, Delbert.
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
3:42 pm
Ramlin Man
July 22nd, 2011
3:39 pm
Don’t you know you’re not supposed to mention “professionals” and the “NCAA” in the same post?
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm
C’mon Grinch. He dropped the most important pass of the game against y’all!
Actually he had the one 70 yard TD on the first play of the second half against UGA and had several big plays against Climpson. I’ve tried to forget the Iowa game as it’s the only time in three seasons I was frustrated by Johnson’s offense b
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
3:45 pm
Ramlin Man
July 22nd, 2011
3:41 pm
That’s the tough thing. Should you sit one of your better players if you “think” there could have been wrong doing. Should you hold him out and later find he was okay to play? Potentially lose a game you could have won? That leaves coaches and schools in a predicament. If tech truly thought he was okay, then I don’t blame them for playing him and challenging the penalty.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm
Agreed, Rambin Man. He was a monster blocked. It’s what Bama will miss most about Julio. Hopefully the Falcons take advantage of that skill.
bRO
July 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm
IT IS TIME FOR COLLEGES TO REDEFINE THE AUTHORITY OF THE NCAA. THEY ARE LIKE A DICTATOR AND LEAVE NO RECOURSE TO THE INVESTIGATED SCHOOL OR PLAYER. A LITTLE LEAGEL REPRESENTATION WOULD BE FAIR TO ALL PARTIES. DICTATORS ARE SOMETHING WE FIGHT AGAINST.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
3:53 pm
It’s the hardest call, Grinch. Imagine having to hold Murray out of the Tennessee or Florida game when the facts are in dispute. I don’t know what the right thing to do is.
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
3:53 pm
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
3:44 pm
Hey, I’ll never forget the dropped pass. That image is seered in my memory and his misfortune was crucial to us winning. I wasn’t playing devil’s advocate. I truly didn’t know the exact games in question. So I guess his cousin, or someone else, supposedly gave him the clothes just before the UGA game.
How does an allegation like that come to light? Are the coaches sitting around before a team meeting and in walks Thomas and one of the coaches says “nice threads, Bay Bay”? Seriously, how does $300 in clothes become a talking point that ultimately leads to sanctions from the NCAA? This kind of stuff just blows my mind.
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
3:56 pm
bRO
July 22nd, 2011
3:47 pm
I don’t think the colleges will, or even can. I believe it will take someone pushing this up to the Supreme Court. We darn sure don’t want Congress involved. Those clowns can’t even come up with a budget in over 2 years, but the Supremes could really do some earth shaking.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
4:03 pm
No big deal, Grinch. Just a jab at my own team.
I have no idea where the Gestapo got the tip. It originally started with Morgan Burnett. Where that came from is a mystery we’ll probably never know.
What I do know is that if I was a fan of another school, I’d be terrified by this because they essentially punished Tech for not being “nice” during the investigation and for, in their opinion, having an obstructionist attitude. But they never defined what that means, which can get any other school on hot water, too.
Pitbull
July 22nd, 2011
4:05 pm
Hey, just tell the NCAA that you’re Georgia Tech and the rules don’t apply to you – you just expect everybody else to have to follow them.
Maybe they can legalize chop blocks for you. Oh wait, they already have!
I respect you less for the way you babies have responded to the NCAA penalities than for actually doing what you did to get on probation which of course was manipulating the truth – a great Tech tradition.
Old Gold Grad
July 22nd, 2011
4:10 pm
Mommy mommy, they’re making me play by the rules!!!
It’s just not fair! Don’t they know that I’m Georgia Tech?
I’m special and entitled too!!!
tar and feathers party
July 22nd, 2011
4:11 pm
I for one am ready, willing, and able to make war on the ncaa! No survivors, you stinking scum!
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
4:11 pm
Enlighten me on what we did, Pitbull.
tar and feathers party
July 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm
and I piss in the face of uga!
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
4:12 pm
Any other screen names you have, Pitbull?
Ramblin Man
July 22nd, 2011
4:16 pm
Grinch,
That’s part of the rub in this whole thing. Burnett was another huge part of the team only on defense so the staff took a gamble played both with both having the same accusation against them and well you have what we have now.
Old Blind Dawg
July 22nd, 2011
4:20 pm
The NCAA is broken and we all know it. Funny how as fans we sort of support the NCAA when they get after a rival and then scream bloody murder when they knock on our own door.
Did GT self report this seemingly small violation or were they caught completely off guard? I can see the confusion either way but I just don’t get the hammer that was applied. I didn’t think A.J. was treated fairly either but it is what it is and I suspect the NCAA is trying to send a not so subtle message to the schools and players.
I can think of a few schools currently under the microscope that, based on the GT ruling, should be absolutely terrified.
Pitbull
July 22nd, 2011
4:21 pm
Obviously George Stein either does not know how to read or doesn’t let the facts get in the way.
Go clean that old gold crap out of your diaper you baby and take your medicine like a man.
headley lamar
July 22nd, 2011
4:29 pm
Perhaps you’d have advised blacks in the 1950’s that drank from the wrong water fountain or sat in the wrong seats on a bus to take their punishment rather than fighting the rules. Very bright.
Its African American not “blacks”
To even compare Tech getting caught cheating with segregation just shows how far Tech apologists will take it.
Tech can do no wrong in their eyes and they will go to any lengths to show you that.
Sad. Really really sad.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
4:31 pm
Nice job avoiding the question, Pitbull. Not surprising, though v
headley lamar
July 22nd, 2011
4:32 pm
Enlighten me on what we did, Pitbull.
You coached the players on what to say to the NCAA and your AD lied to the NCAA when he agreed to not tell manboobs players were going to be interviewed.
Second major violation in ten years. Better not get another one or at least cooperate with the NCAA next time or you may not be playing football at all.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
4:33 pm
You totally missed the point, headley. Also not surprising. You are free to explain to me how we “cheated” though since headley was incapable.
headley lamar
July 22nd, 2011
4:33 pm
It would be easier to believe the Tech apologists if they didn’t have a history of doing this sort of thing.
They just came off probation for crying out loud.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
4:34 pm
What are the odds headley and Pitbull are the same person?
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
4:36 pm
There you go, headley. Don’t bother concerning yourself with facts. Just point to something that happened six years ago when other people were in charge.
headley lamar
July 22nd, 2011
4:37 pm
You are free to explain to me how we “cheated” though since headley was incapable.
You coached the players on what to say and D Rad lied to the NCAA when he agreed to not tell CPJ the interviews were going to take place.
The biggest problem here is Tech people have always puffed them selves up as superior to everyone else in every way.
Then when reality hits them in the face they cant stand it.
Georgia Tech is nothing special. Its a mediocre program with a history of using ineligible players to try and keep up with the big boys.
Nothing more.
headley lamar
July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm
Just point to something that happened six years ago when other people were in charge.
Fair enough. But you’ll mention Jan Kemp in a heartbeat wont you.
Admit it. You want one set of rules for Tech. another set for UGA.
Just like a three year old on the playground.
crackbaby
July 22nd, 2011
4:41 pm
Anybody read the nice story about reserve LB Albert Rocker (written by Matt Winkeljohn)?
[http://ramblinwreck.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072111aaa.html]
You just don’t read stories like that in the paper anymore. Way to go Albert!
Pitbull
July 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm
I am not very smart tech sux go dogs woof woof woof luv my uga dogs yay!
techfan
July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm
You coached the players on what to say and D Rad lied to the NCAA when he agreed to not tell CPJ the interviews were going to take place.
How do you know the players were coached on what to say? From what I heard they were told to be completely honest. Also, doing something someone else told you not to do is not lying, and DRad never told that to the NCAA anyways. You should really learn how the process works and who told who what before you spout off at the mouth some more.
The Grinch
July 22nd, 2011
5:07 pm
I still don’t understand what transpired for the NCAA to begin approaching tech about $300 in clothes. Seriously?
Tech Guy
July 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm
We Tech folks have thought of Tech as being a cut above other schools because of our excellent academics and strong tradition of high integrity. ADRad has brought us down a peg or two, and I don’t like it.
blackprix
July 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm
The NCAA got their feelings hurt because Tech did not treat them with the respect they believe they deserve. That’s tough when you have that much power and you don’t like how folks come across and then slap them by taking away an ACC Championship over nothing.
That stinks. If GT did wrong in this case, they DID NOT DESERVE the punishment they received based on all that I have read.
blackprix
July 22nd, 2011
5:12 pm
Tech Guy … I agree. But for the NCAA to take away a Conference Championship over this is ridiculous.
CPJ Tech Bowl Wins
July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm
chirp chirp
chirp chirp
WnE...
July 22nd, 2011
5:23 pm
what bunch of whiny little bitshes we tech fans are…
CPJ Putting Tech on Probation
July 22nd, 2011
5:23 pm
Only 3 years
CPJ AC"C" Titles
July 22nd, 2011
5:24 pm
0
CPJ Pectorals
July 22nd, 2011
5:25 pm
34DD
CPJ Lookalikes
July 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm
1. Susan Boyle
2. Liberace
CPJ's Defensive Coordinator
July 22nd, 2011
5:31 pm
His first defensive scheme was documented in Leviticus, when he led Jericho to the all 12 tribes championship.
CPJ's Defensive Coordinator's Favorite
July 22nd, 2011
5:32 pm
mode of transportation….
The Rascal – recruits love it when he Dukes of Hazard’s into their living room with signing papers.
CPJ's Performance in The Orange Bowl
July 22nd, 2011
5:36 pm
Enter your comments here
Snowball
July 22nd, 2011
5:41 pm
You have my shot in hell of getting off probation and getting UGA’s ACC title back.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
5:42 pm
Funnily enough, headley, I bet a lot of UGA folks would support me as a reasonable person.
To your points:
1) You have no proof that anyone was coached up. It’s just a convenient accusation. There was no mention of Radakovich agreeing to the no-communication instruction. It was dictated to him.
2) If we compare ourselves to people like you, it’s difficult not feel superior.
3) For a mediocre program program, you sure feel the need to write about it often enough.
4) If you consider the past six years as history, UGA has less history than a team that plays on a blue field.
5) If you want to bring up Jan Kemp, fine. You will never see me mention it. Again, regular bloggers will support me on this (and my reasonableness was alluded to in earlier posts).
6) I have no interest in disparate sets of rules. I only want sensible ones.
7) You don’t know the difference between its and it’s or wont and won’t. Further, you post comments that require no thought or originality regularly. Who’s really the three year old here?
I M Jacket
July 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm
We don’t need no stinkin’ NCAA!
Rent A Player, Inc.
July 22nd, 2011
5:47 pm
All the Tech excuses seem to start out with “in hindsight we”; and rightly so. The Tech attorney, Ad and others obviously suffered from brain lock during these episodes and now have to play the sympathy card “Poor me- is wasn’t that bad!!” I’ll bet you Tech will not play fast and loose in future dealings with the NCAA.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm
I hope the next time the NCAA comes around, we push back even harder, Rent.
GA WRECKS....
July 22nd, 2011
6:19 pm
eat your humble pie bugfarts.
Rent A Player, Inc.
July 22nd, 2011
6:23 pm
George Stein Good luck with that. The NCAA is sending messages this year- watch and learn.
superDawg
July 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm
RAID!!
Gatorman
July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm
If Tech was really interested in having an impact, they would fire Rad and PJ. Then the appeal might really impress the NCAA that Tech means business in cleaning house. I would like to know who hired the stupid lawyer in the first place. That person should have already been fired.
gt4ever
July 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm
Rent,
What messages would that be….. The ability to convict based on NO proof. The ability to allow the football factories to operate as they wish… There must be 100 examples of how the NCAA has been totally hypocritical in nature… This is a JOKE, and if this is not overturned, it will prove that the NCAA is WORTHLESS as an overseer of college athletics…
icallbs
July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm
I’m totally on GT’s side in this matter. That said, it is always amusing and satisfying in a certain sense to see the vitriol regarding Georgia. Whatever….you guys can’t/won’t win that one except for the occasional outlier.
I digress. This should add more burn: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6794305/ncaa-agrees-ohio-state-buckeyes-football-findings
Words cannot express my disdain for the NCAA.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
7:04 pm
Uh, Paul Johnson did nothing wrong, Gatorman. The report never even implicated him.
I don’t think Radakovich’s “offense” warrants his termination, either.
gt4ever
July 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm
Great article icallbs…. Not surprising results…. The NCAA is a complete JOKE!
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
7:08 pm
That’s exactly the point I have been trying to make, gt4ever. Every single member institution should be terrified by the fact that you can be put on probation, vacate win(s), and be fined when there is no hard evidence that anything wrong happened or the NCAA gets its panties in a wad.
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July 22nd, 2011
7:35 pm
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icallbs
July 22nd, 2011
7:44 pm
O State bent over and stuck up their a** for the NCAA; GT did not. Good for GT.
AUGUSTAJACKET
July 22nd, 2011
7:59 pm
I guess if the N.C.A.A. was the law of the land, And a Ga. Tech Football player Kill someone the whole team and Coaches would be but on trial for murder, The N.C.A.A. is the same as a Dictator .
Jacket93-Panther98
July 22nd, 2011
8:19 pm
Hate this for my alma mater. Glad my MBA is from GSU, I’ll be at the dome with my man coach Curry. Join the huddle and get your season tickets!!
GO TECH
GO PANTHERS!!
Wonderful Ohio on the Gulf 'Dog
July 22nd, 2011
9:07 pm
For the record, I hate Tech. My Daddy hated Tech. My Granddaddy hated Tech.
I taught my children “To Heck with Georgia Tech!” from the cradle (we also tried to raise them in a Christian home, so “To Hell” was kinda out of the question).
Having said all that, THE Georgia Institute of Technology ought to sue the Hell out of the NCAA!
You guys suck at cheating, yet you get slammed. THE Ohio Shame University Blackeyes cheat like a sonnofab you know what and they get their wrists slapped. Lightly! Lightly!
There is no justice in this world!
Gordon Gee had no institutional control whatsoever over THE O SHAME U’s athletic program, yet it gets away with the NCAA’s version of murder.
I’ll join with my nerdy NATS brothers with the refrain “To Hell with the NCAA!”
Back to hating Tech!
Ken Sugiura
July 22nd, 2011
10:41 pm
bb – this is way late, i apologize (it was a 1:52 post). the quote says that Tech realizes it would have been best to declare Thomas ineligible at the time. It doesn’t mean they think now he did anything wrong, because, clearly, they don’t think that. schools will hold out players if there’s a question about their ineligibility. They may find out that he/she in fact did nothing wrong, but better that than play an athlete hoping he/she didn’t do anything wrong and then later find out otherwise. i hope that clears up what i was saying.
jack ee – i’m not sure what story you’re talking about that says tech didn’t do anything wrong. michael buckner doesn’t know everything about the case, but i don’t think that’s a reason to discount his opinion entirely.
Ken Sugiura
July 22nd, 2011
10:43 pm
dude – thanks.
SiddyBoy
July 22nd, 2011
10:43 pm
The Georgia Institute of Technology-A university wannabe !!!
Red Stick
July 22nd, 2011
10:49 pm
T3,
You are living in fantasy land if you think Tech will win their appeal.
The NCAA has their bases covered and anticipate appeals when they issue their rulings.
Right or wrong it is what it is.
macrotech
July 23rd, 2011
1:53 am
Noob, we are less concerned with the court of public opinion and more interested in NOT getting robbed blind by a desperate ncaa. Nice handle, though!
headley lamar, are you suggesting that you would just sit back and watch someone come in and steal from your team? Heck! You can’t even shut-up on a blog that isn’t about your own team!
The ncaa continues in it’s inability to operate within a system of reason…they just gave Ohio State a slap on the wrist. AMAZING!!!
I like our players responses to all of this…if we must…we’ll settle this on the field! GO TECH!!!
macrotech
July 23rd, 2011
2:57 am
superDawg…it’s funny that you’d cry out, “RAID”! Didn’t your last AD lose his job involving something like this? Perhaps, HE should be known as “Noob”…he ONLY ended up with one pair AND in invitation to the unemployment line! Glad to see you’ve come out of hiding!
The Grinch…been missing your quips. Sincerely, tis good to have you (the real one) back!
Not a Hewitt Fan
July 23rd, 2011
7:42 am
FYI….AFLAC trivia question. Name the 5 D1 schools without the word UNIVERSITY in their name. Answer…..The 3 service academies, Boston College, and the boyz on N. Ave…the Ga Institiute of Technology. nuff said. GO JACKETS
T3
July 23rd, 2011
9:23 am
@Redstick
Its clear that youre as uninformed as Ken AND Michael Buckner is.
GT is going to win this appeal based on what has already reported and presented.
The reasons why I think GT will this appeal are plainly OBVIOUS to me.
If you, Ken, and Buckner cant see it, then I cant help you.
buzz
July 23rd, 2011
9:49 am
Ken, just curious, from which University did you get your degree?
Learn the difference between...
July 23rd, 2011
10:14 am
…”tack” and “tact” – as in “which is a tack most schools take.”(we would expect this mistake from a UGA journalism school grad…)
dawgfan
July 23rd, 2011
10:49 am
This would all be forgotten if Tech would just stop crying like little sissies about it. All internet smack talk aside, I am dead serious. You are making fools of yourselves and I am loving every minute of it.
2 field goals and a cloud of Bobo
July 23rd, 2011
10:52 am
All the dawgfans
“cried” their hearts out after the Central Florida Beat Down.
2 field goals and a cloud of Bobo
July 23rd, 2011
10:53 am
Little sissy fans throw trash all over the UGA campus on game days.
AMG
July 23rd, 2011
11:01 am
So the NCAA rules are very much like questioning Hitler in 1942. The NCAA can do what ever it wants, rule any way it wants with unchecked aggression to poor schools and it is ok?
dawgfan's boy lover
July 23rd, 2011
11:10 am
come back to bed, sweetie … I wanna snuggle.
dawgfan
July 23rd, 2011
11:10 am
For the Techie that loves to run his fat Techie mouth about Mike Bobo, here ya go big mouth:
Mike Bobo is 4-1 vs. the Joke by Coke as Georgia’s offensive coordinator. Even in the lone loss, his offense scored 42 points on the biggest joke in all of college football, Georgia Tech. His offense has averaged 32 ppg against the little pizz and program on North Avenue during his time as Georgia’s offensive coordinator. And lest we forget, Mike Bobo was 4-0 vs. the Joke by Coke as a player at Georgia.
But keep running that fat Techie mouth about Mike Bobo smart guy. You are brilliant.
Ted
July 23rd, 2011
11:36 am
Bad legal work for Tech.
GT GRAD
July 23rd, 2011
12:23 pm
Apeal and confirm to everyone who is not anti-GT that there was absolutely no intent to break any rules!
Supsalemgr
July 23rd, 2011
12:32 pm
I am a diehard Dawg usually with little sympathy for the Crickets, but they got jobbed by the NCAA!
dawgfan's boy lover
July 23rd, 2011
1:00 pm
dawgfan still obsessed with all things GT … keep foaming at the mouth tough guy, we love it!
macrotech
July 23rd, 2011
2:15 pm
dawgfan…your obsession with Tech is inspiring! I was under the impression that you pup fans wanted bobo gone. Now, you’re a fan? Perhaps, you should spend more time on blogs regarding uga…you’re going to find that you’re a minority over there.
Window dressing and damage control are the same
July 23rd, 2011
2:37 pm
If you look at CPJ’s face in a photo of him during the GT press conference, one can easily see the concern …………… for himself.
I am sure that his attorney has told him to “put some distance between you and the violations”, otherise, if “opportunity come knocking, you can cleary be distant from it”. CPJ knows that is resume now is badly damaged.
He is now enshrined among the Hall of Shame coaches like Jackie Sherill, Danny Ford Barry Switzer, Charlie Pell and that Alabama coach before Shula. Awful blow to his arrogant nature …………how humiliating this if for him to take the blows and not really be deserving of it.
His record of accomplishment at GT is frankly, non existant now. No low level ACC title. no major wins and nothing extrodinary and his 0-3 bowl record is just awful. CPJ knows that this will badly damage him and he just hopes that some other school comes calling to get out of that mad house known as THE REPEAT OFFENDERS on N Avenue.
CPJ will be looking to shed himself of GT within two years. Watch it.
Ken Sugiura
July 23rd, 2011
3:24 pm
Window dressing – I think comparing Paul Johnson to that crew is a bit of a stretch. Johnson hasn’t been in NCAA trouble before and the investigation didn’t find really go after him. There isn’t any evidence that he “coached up” Morgan Burnett.
Learn the difference – This doesn’t happen often, but I think I’m actually right about my word choice of “tack.”
a. A course of action meant to minimize opposition to the attainment of a goal. (from freedictionary.com)
You know what they say about blind squirrels.
OldSchoolTechFanatic
July 23rd, 2011
3:37 pm
Is the NCAA mad cause GT won an appeal several years ago and now this is revenge ? Just saying !!!
From the other end of Washington Street
July 23rd, 2011
3:47 pm
I wouldn’t worry so much about the appeal but what’s going to happen if GT violates the probation (hint: SMU).
Ken Sugiura
July 23rd, 2011
4:34 pm
OldSchool – I don’t think that’s it. tech didn’t cooperate in the way that the ncaa wanted. i think the GTAA and the NCAA have a very different understanding of what it means to cooperate.
I don’t think the death penalty will ever happen again, in large part because the smu death penalty was far more devastating than the ncaa anticipated. tech would have to be way more egregious than this for it to even be a consideration.
wreckmaniac
July 23rd, 2011
6:52 pm
Noob: The image is tainted regardless of what happens ? I don’t think so. I say Tech is the 2009 ACC champ regardless of what the NCAA believes. To me, their opinion is irrelevant. If I have a T-shirt that states “GA Tech- 2009 ACC Champs”, I will continue to wear it. If the NCAA tries to sue me, there will be a countersuit.
Rodney Dangerfield
July 23rd, 2011
9:50 pm
Sure, Tech will get the death penalty for misapplying grades (during the time Tech switched from quarter credits to semester credits which even screwed me up and I had to take extra courses because I was 0.2 hours short in some areas), and for DRad telling CPJ that some of his players will be interviewed by the NCAA. Woahs me, Tech needs the death penalty.
MORONS!
What is next?
2 field goals and a cloud of Bobo
July 24th, 2011
7:45 am
. . . . . and Life in Prison for the dawgs.
Buzzzzzzz
July 24th, 2011
8:49 am
The athletic history of UGA is full of so many sordid, sleazy incidents – dating back to Vince Dooley and continuing through Mark Richt – that it’s impossible to overlook. The school has come to stand for drunkenness and lawlessness, coddling of illiterate athletes who should never have been admitted to college, and rampant cheating by coaches.
doUche bGA
July 24th, 2011
9:46 am
Worked for Cam Newton
Heels Rock and Rule
July 24th, 2011
9:56 am
CBS Sports, in its recent criticism of the NCAA for its handling of the Ohio State case, essentially said that college sports programs should be held accountable for reading the emails of players. CBS Sports should be cited for advocating Gestapo tactics in this instance. Do you think players’ emails should be made public record? I don’t think so. Shame of CBS Sports.
wreckmaniac
July 24th, 2011
12:12 pm
As this story becomes better understood, it is becoming clear that the NCAA has the burden of proof and has the credibility problem. Tech has a long history of avoiding rules conflicts with the NCAA thus meaning that its cooperation has been substantial. The NCAA has lost much of its power by allowing the BCS travesty to unfold and stands to lose more if it pursues meaningless infractions (such as Tech’s) while avoiding possible violations such as Cam Newton’s father’s alleged payoff.
needles
July 24th, 2011
2:27 pm
Noob, you got ugag stamped between your idiot eyeballs.
superDawg
July 24th, 2011
2:28 pm
The NCAA gave tek a chance to do the right thing and hold out your two offenders,but tek choose to ignore the opportunity and play them anyway to hopefully beat UGA and a acc championship.That is why you were punished so severly and lost your acc trophy.But you still can have one made just like one of your so called NC.
superDawg
July 24th, 2011
2:32 pm
It is funny how you tekies think you are above everyone else.
truth
July 24th, 2011
4:31 pm
Tech Men run Atlanta business and the uga boys get the leftovers.
GT-UT
July 24th, 2011
4:45 pm
Guys…going back to the University thing…GT is a Technical Institution. I don’t care if our crappy councel (probably NOT from GT) uses the word ‘University’. Or…if Webster (also NOT from GT) defines it this way or that. My school does NOT seek one truth out of many. There is a right answer. In this case, appeal the abuse of power by the NCAA.
To the NCAA faithful…why not fine GT $250k? Or, why not a cool $1 Million? The NCAA is hurting itself here…and who else but a bunch of logic oriented engineering folks to set it right. Unfortunately, that’s how society treats you when you are the smartest one in the room. Bunch of jealous anti-GT people who can’t admit that they are wrong, insensitive, and need a feeling of importance in their lives.
5150 UOAD
July 24th, 2011
7:00 pm
Hard to beat the NCAA.
5150 UOAD
July 24th, 2011
7:06 pm
We will get what we get.
Veracity
July 24th, 2011
9:20 pm
Regardless of the absurd NCAA decision, we’re all still very proud of Georgia Tech.
On the other hand, the athletic history of UGA is full of so many sordid, sleazy incidents – dating back to Vince Dooley and continuing through Mark Richt – that it’s impossible to overlook. The school has come to stand for drunkenness and lawlessness, coddling of illiterate athletes who should never have been admitted to college, and rampant cheating by coaches.
Big Macon DAWG
July 24th, 2011
11:09 pm
You guys still SUCK!
GT'93
July 24th, 2011
11:12 pm
Schultz “The Sonny Side” after the Tennessee beat down, is still the most hilarious piece I ever read.
Michael L. Buckner Assesses Georgia Tech’s Chances On Appeal « Michael L. Buckner Law Firm
July 25th, 2011
9:19 am
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macrotech
July 25th, 2011
10:17 am
Your filters blow
MisterT
July 25th, 2011
1:08 pm
Ken, I followed the link to Buckner’s blog about the USC findings. After reading it, it sounds like Tech’s best angle would be to sue in US Court based on the NCAA’s not consistently applying fines and discipline. The NCAA’s rule changes in 2008 with regard to appeals process appear to put the NCAA in a very precarious position that allows them to say “because we said so” without any regard to prior case precedence. As if the NCAA wasn’t already full of themselves, this is going to end up falling into the category of “With Absolute Power Comes Absolute Corruption.” Beyond suing in civil court, member schools really have no way of pointing to past precedent and be confident of what the outcome might be. If not Tech, someone will go down this road eventually and the NCAA will ultimately lose. With only 13 appeals cases since the rules change and only one overturned, either member schools will be intimidated to the point of just knuckling under to the NCAA or someone will eventually take them down and the NCAA will be the one getting the “Death Penalty.”
THWg!
Gutless bugs
July 26th, 2011
7:59 am
Yech’s chances? As good as none!!!! Yech will finally get at least a little of what the deserve. This program really deserves the death penalty already.
Xeries
July 26th, 2011
8:05 am
Speaking of prison, is the FBI busted drug Lord still in prison for holding his ex at gunpoint? What was that thug’s name again, Houston?