Attorney assesses Tech’s chances with NCAA

Greetings-

This comes from an interview with Michael Buckner, a Florida-based attorney who has vast experience representing schools and coaches in dealings with the NCAA. As I noted in the story in Friday’s paper, he represented the only case out of 13 since the NCAA changed its appeals process rules that had its infractions committee ruling overturned. If there’s sufficient interest, I may post another blog about Buckner’s thoughts about the NCAA enforcement staff and infractions committee, probably  after I return from ACC media days in Pinehurst, N.C. I imagine there’ll be plenty to write about from there.

The first deals with the difficulties Georgia Tech will have winning its appeal, some of which I dealt with in an earlier blog. The second will include Buckner’s opinions on NCAA enforcement and investigations, which I hope will make for some interesting reading.

A brief background: In 2008, the NCAA has made it tougher for schools and individuals to win appeals. It came after the NCAA had lost a number of appeals, including one by Georgia Tech in 2006 that had vacated six seasons of victories, including the 1998 ACC title shared with Florida State. Buckner said the changes were made “to try to stop the bleeding.” In an e-mail, NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn said the changes were made “to ensure the same deference was given to Committee on Infractions decisions as the review of findings of fact on appeal,” which I take to mean a limitation of the appeals committee’s ability to overturn cases.

The primary change was elevating one standard for overturning an appeal from inappropriate based on evidence and circumstances to “excessive” and “an abuse of discretion.”

As a result, without even knowing the merits of Tech’s case or its appeal plans, Buckner said, “I don’t think that, based upon recent case precedent, that they’ll probably be very successful.” Specifically regarding Tech’s case, Buckner thinks Tech’s case is tougher to win for a couple different reasons, but offers one suggestion.

One, he said he thought the infractions committee “did a very smart thing” in supporting its finding of Tech’s failure to cooperate with several examples. Actions by former counsel Randy Nordin and others, including athletic director Dan Radakovich, that the NCAA said hindered the investigation and damaged its integrity are cited all over the report.

Tech officials may well try to argue the penalty was “excessive and is an abuse of discretion” of the infractions committee, which is a tack most schools take.

Infractions committee members, Buckner said, “really insulated themselves from the ‘abuse of discretion’ argument because, upon appeal, the Committee on Infractions can say, ‘Look, the reason we imposed a $100,000 fine or imposed these other penalties is because of the egregious nature of the institution’s actions, and we were able to demonstrate that in the infractions report.’”

Two, a recent appellate ruling has limited schools’ ability to argue case precedent. When USC appealed penalties mostly tracing back to violations related to Reggie Bush, the appeals committee found that “the guidance provided by prior decisions is, and always has been, a matter of judgment.”

Buckner said the ruling “basically renders a lot of cases which are potentially good cases (to use as precedents) to be meaningless.”

This may not matter that much – though it certainly doesn’t help – because Tech’s case is unusual. As Tech associate athletic director Wayne Hogan said Thursday, the case “is so odd and so different from many other cases that we’ve seen, I believe you have to look at this one in a whole different light.”

(This is very, very inside baseball, but in his blog, Buckner posits that this ruling on the value of case precedent could ultimately be damaging for the NCAA.)

Along those lines, Tech’s ability to argue case precedent is also limited by the small number of cases (13) that have been appealed with the new rules. If Tech tries to cite a case prior to 2008, the infractions committee, in its report to the appeals committee, can claim “the case was based on a rule that is no longer valid anymore,” according to Buckner.

In its response to the NCAA’s Notice of Allegations, Tech did argue case precedent regarding the violation concerning the conditions and obligations of membership. All three came after the 2008 bylaw changes.

Three, Tech has a sliver of an opening in regards to the infractions committee’s ruling on Demaryius Thomas. He was ruled to have been guilty of a “preferential treatment” violation for accepting $312 worth of clothes from, the NCAA determined, his cousin’s roommate. (In Tech’s version, the clothes came from his cousin, which would not be a violation.) However, Thomas was never declared ineligible, even retroactively.

It could be argued that it’s excessive to vacate a game when the NCAA or institution didn’t declare any participants ineligible. Buckner called it an “oddity about the decision” and said that if he were Tech’s attorney, he would raise the point.

However, there’s a couple problems with that. The infractions committee will submit a report to the appeals committee and almost certainly will address why it didn’t declare Thomas ineligible. Second, Tech has acknowledged that Thomas should have been declared ineligible, at least temporarily. This is from Tech’s response to the allegations.

“In hindsight, even though the University does not believe that the available information supports a conclusion that he was ineligible, it would have been best for the University to have declared Thomas ineligible at the time.”

(Which doesn’t necessarily mean that Tech thinks Thomas did something wrong. Standard procedure is for schools, if they think there’s a possible violation, to declare the athlete ineligible to protect itself against the possibility of being found to have played games with a team member who had run afoul of the NCAA.)

That’s it in a somewhat large nutshell. This doesn’t mean I think Georgia Tech is guilty and is wrong shouldn’t appeal, or, for that matter, that I think Tech isn’t guilty and should appeal. (Though that would be a strange conclusion to draw.) It’s just going to be a difficult case to win.

I would say this, though. I think, if it thinks it was wronged, Tech should appeal, regardless of what its chances are. The worst that can happen is the appeal will be denied and the probationary period will start a few months later than it would have otherwise.

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Ken Sugiura, AJC

186 comments Add your comment

2 field goals and a cloud of Bobo

July 23rd, 2011
10:53 am

Little sissy fans throw trash all over the UGA campus on game days.

AMG

July 23rd, 2011
11:01 am

So the NCAA rules are very much like questioning Hitler in 1942. The NCAA can do what ever it wants, rule any way it wants with unchecked aggression to poor schools and it is ok?

dawgfan's boy lover

July 23rd, 2011
11:10 am

come back to bed, sweetie … I wanna snuggle.

dawgfan

July 23rd, 2011
11:10 am

For the Techie that loves to run his fat Techie mouth about Mike Bobo, here ya go big mouth:

Mike Bobo is 4-1 vs. the Joke by Coke as Georgia’s offensive coordinator. Even in the lone loss, his offense scored 42 points on the biggest joke in all of college football, Georgia Tech. His offense has averaged 32 ppg against the little pizz and program on North Avenue during his time as Georgia’s offensive coordinator. And lest we forget, Mike Bobo was 4-0 vs. the Joke by Coke as a player at Georgia.

But keep running that fat Techie mouth about Mike Bobo smart guy. You are brilliant.

Ted

July 23rd, 2011
11:36 am

Bad legal work for Tech.

GT GRAD

July 23rd, 2011
12:23 pm

Apeal and confirm to everyone who is not anti-GT that there was absolutely no intent to break any rules!

Supsalemgr

July 23rd, 2011
12:32 pm

I am a diehard Dawg usually with little sympathy for the Crickets, but they got jobbed by the NCAA!

dawgfan's boy lover

July 23rd, 2011
1:00 pm

dawgfan still obsessed with all things GT … keep foaming at the mouth tough guy, we love it!

macrotech

July 23rd, 2011
2:15 pm

dawgfan…your obsession with Tech is inspiring! I was under the impression that you pup fans wanted bobo gone. Now, you’re a fan? Perhaps, you should spend more time on blogs regarding uga…you’re going to find that you’re a minority over there.

Window dressing and damage control are the same

July 23rd, 2011
2:37 pm

If you look at CPJ’s face in a photo of him during the GT press conference, one can easily see the concern …………… for himself.

I am sure that his attorney has told him to “put some distance between you and the violations”, otherise, if “opportunity come knocking, you can cleary be distant from it”. CPJ knows that is resume now is badly damaged.

He is now enshrined among the Hall of Shame coaches like Jackie Sherill, Danny Ford Barry Switzer, Charlie Pell and that Alabama coach before Shula. Awful blow to his arrogant nature …………how humiliating this if for him to take the blows and not really be deserving of it.

His record of accomplishment at GT is frankly, non existant now. No low level ACC title. no major wins and nothing extrodinary and his 0-3 bowl record is just awful. CPJ knows that this will badly damage him and he just hopes that some other school comes calling to get out of that mad house known as THE REPEAT OFFENDERS on N Avenue.

CPJ will be looking to shed himself of GT within two years. Watch it.

Ken Sugiura

July 23rd, 2011
3:24 pm

Window dressing – I think comparing Paul Johnson to that crew is a bit of a stretch. Johnson hasn’t been in NCAA trouble before and the investigation didn’t find really go after him. There isn’t any evidence that he “coached up” Morgan Burnett.

Learn the difference – This doesn’t happen often, but I think I’m actually right about my word choice of “tack.”
a. A course of action meant to minimize opposition to the attainment of a goal. (from freedictionary.com)
You know what they say about blind squirrels.

OldSchoolTechFanatic

July 23rd, 2011
3:37 pm

Is the NCAA mad cause GT won an appeal several years ago and now this is revenge ? Just saying !!!

From the other end of Washington Street

July 23rd, 2011
3:47 pm

I wouldn’t worry so much about the appeal but what’s going to happen if GT violates the probation (hint: SMU).

Ken Sugiura

July 23rd, 2011
4:34 pm

OldSchool – I don’t think that’s it. tech didn’t cooperate in the way that the ncaa wanted. i think the GTAA and the NCAA have a very different understanding of what it means to cooperate.
I don’t think the death penalty will ever happen again, in large part because the smu death penalty was far more devastating than the ncaa anticipated. tech would have to be way more egregious than this for it to even be a consideration.

wreckmaniac

July 23rd, 2011
6:52 pm

Noob: The image is tainted regardless of what happens ? I don’t think so. I say Tech is the 2009 ACC champ regardless of what the NCAA believes. To me, their opinion is irrelevant. If I have a T-shirt that states “GA Tech- 2009 ACC Champs”, I will continue to wear it. If the NCAA tries to sue me, there will be a countersuit.

Rodney Dangerfield

July 23rd, 2011
9:50 pm

Sure, Tech will get the death penalty for misapplying grades (during the time Tech switched from quarter credits to semester credits which even screwed me up and I had to take extra courses because I was 0.2 hours short in some areas), and for DRad telling CPJ that some of his players will be interviewed by the NCAA. Woahs me, Tech needs the death penalty.

MORONS!

What is next?

2 field goals and a cloud of Bobo

July 24th, 2011
7:45 am

. . . . . and Life in Prison for the dawgs.

Buzzzzzzz

July 24th, 2011
8:49 am

The athletic history of UGA is full of so many sordid, sleazy incidents – dating back to Vince Dooley and continuing through Mark Richt – that it’s impossible to overlook. The school has come to stand for drunkenness and lawlessness, coddling of illiterate athletes who should never have been admitted to college, and rampant cheating by coaches.

doUche bGA

July 24th, 2011
9:46 am

Worked for Cam Newton

Heels Rock and Rule

July 24th, 2011
9:56 am

CBS Sports, in its recent criticism of the NCAA for its handling of the Ohio State case, essentially said that college sports programs should be held accountable for reading the emails of players. CBS Sports should be cited for advocating Gestapo tactics in this instance. Do you think players’ emails should be made public record? I don’t think so. Shame of CBS Sports.

wreckmaniac

July 24th, 2011
12:12 pm

As this story becomes better understood, it is becoming clear that the NCAA has the burden of proof and has the credibility problem. Tech has a long history of avoiding rules conflicts with the NCAA thus meaning that its cooperation has been substantial. The NCAA has lost much of its power by allowing the BCS travesty to unfold and stands to lose more if it pursues meaningless infractions (such as Tech’s) while avoiding possible violations such as Cam Newton’s father’s alleged payoff.

needles

July 24th, 2011
2:27 pm

Noob, you got ugag stamped between your idiot eyeballs.

superDawg

July 24th, 2011
2:28 pm

The NCAA gave tek a chance to do the right thing and hold out your two offenders,but tek choose to ignore the opportunity and play them anyway to hopefully beat UGA and a acc championship.That is why you were punished so severly and lost your acc trophy.But you still can have one made just like one of your so called NC.

superDawg

July 24th, 2011
2:32 pm

It is funny how you tekies think you are above everyone else.

truth

July 24th, 2011
4:31 pm

Tech Men run Atlanta business and the uga boys get the leftovers.

GT-UT

July 24th, 2011
4:45 pm

Guys…going back to the University thing…GT is a Technical Institution. I don’t care if our crappy councel (probably NOT from GT) uses the word ‘University’. Or…if Webster (also NOT from GT) defines it this way or that. My school does NOT seek one truth out of many. There is a right answer. In this case, appeal the abuse of power by the NCAA.

To the NCAA faithful…why not fine GT $250k? Or, why not a cool $1 Million? The NCAA is hurting itself here…and who else but a bunch of logic oriented engineering folks to set it right. Unfortunately, that’s how society treats you when you are the smartest one in the room. Bunch of jealous anti-GT people who can’t admit that they are wrong, insensitive, and need a feeling of importance in their lives.

5150 UOAD

July 24th, 2011
7:00 pm

Hard to beat the NCAA.

5150 UOAD

July 24th, 2011
7:06 pm

We will get what we get.

Veracity

July 24th, 2011
9:20 pm

Regardless of the absurd NCAA decision, we’re all still very proud of Georgia Tech.

On the other hand, the athletic history of UGA is full of so many sordid, sleazy incidents – dating back to Vince Dooley and continuing through Mark Richt – that it’s impossible to overlook. The school has come to stand for drunkenness and lawlessness, coddling of illiterate athletes who should never have been admitted to college, and rampant cheating by coaches.

Big Macon DAWG

July 24th, 2011
11:09 pm

You guys still SUCK!

GT'93

July 24th, 2011
11:12 pm

Schultz “The Sonny Side” after the Tennessee beat down, is still the most hilarious piece I ever read.

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macrotech

July 25th, 2011
10:17 am

Your filters blow

MisterT

July 25th, 2011
1:08 pm

Ken, I followed the link to Buckner’s blog about the USC findings. After reading it, it sounds like Tech’s best angle would be to sue in US Court based on the NCAA’s not consistently applying fines and discipline. The NCAA’s rule changes in 2008 with regard to appeals process appear to put the NCAA in a very precarious position that allows them to say “because we said so” without any regard to prior case precedence. As if the NCAA wasn’t already full of themselves, this is going to end up falling into the category of “With Absolute Power Comes Absolute Corruption.” Beyond suing in civil court, member schools really have no way of pointing to past precedent and be confident of what the outcome might be. If not Tech, someone will go down this road eventually and the NCAA will ultimately lose. With only 13 appeals cases since the rules change and only one overturned, either member schools will be intimidated to the point of just knuckling under to the NCAA or someone will eventually take them down and the NCAA will be the one getting the “Death Penalty.”

THWg!

Gutless bugs

July 26th, 2011
7:59 am

Yech’s chances? As good as none!!!! Yech will finally get at least a little of what the deserve. This program really deserves the death penalty already.

Xeries

July 26th, 2011
8:05 am

Speaking of prison, is the FBI busted drug Lord still in prison for holding his ex at gunpoint? What was that thug’s name again, Houston?