Attorney assesses Tech’s chances with NCAA

Greetings-

This comes from an interview with Michael Buckner, a Florida-based attorney who has vast experience representing schools and coaches in dealings with the NCAA. As I noted in the story in Friday’s paper, he represented the only case out of 13 since the NCAA changed its appeals process rules that had its infractions committee ruling overturned. If there’s sufficient interest, I may post another blog about Buckner’s thoughts about the NCAA enforcement staff and infractions committee, probably  after I return from ACC media days in Pinehurst, N.C. I imagine there’ll be plenty to write about from there.

The first deals with the difficulties Georgia Tech will have winning its appeal, some of which I dealt with in an earlier blog. The second will include Buckner’s opinions on NCAA enforcement and investigations, which I hope will make for some interesting reading.

A brief background: In 2008, the NCAA has made it tougher for schools and individuals to win appeals. It came after the NCAA had lost a number of appeals, including one by Georgia Tech in 2006 that had vacated six seasons of victories, including the 1998 ACC title shared with Florida State. Buckner said the changes were made “to try to stop the bleeding.” In an e-mail, NCAA spokeswoman Stacey Osburn said the changes were made “to ensure the same deference was given to Committee on Infractions decisions as the review of findings of fact on appeal,” which I take to mean a limitation of the appeals committee’s ability to overturn cases.

The primary change was elevating one standard for overturning an appeal from inappropriate based on evidence and circumstances to “excessive” and “an abuse of discretion.”

As a result, without even knowing the merits of Tech’s case or its appeal plans, Buckner said, “I don’t think that, based upon recent case precedent, that they’ll probably be very successful.” Specifically regarding Tech’s case, Buckner thinks Tech’s case is tougher to win for a couple different reasons, but offers one suggestion.

One, he said he thought the infractions committee “did a very smart thing” in supporting its finding of Tech’s failure to cooperate with several examples. Actions by former counsel Randy Nordin and others, including athletic director Dan Radakovich, that the NCAA said hindered the investigation and damaged its integrity are cited all over the report.

Tech officials may well try to argue the penalty was “excessive and is an abuse of discretion” of the infractions committee, which is a tack most schools take.

Infractions committee members, Buckner said, “really insulated themselves from the ‘abuse of discretion’ argument because, upon appeal, the Committee on Infractions can say, ‘Look, the reason we imposed a $100,000 fine or imposed these other penalties is because of the egregious nature of the institution’s actions, and we were able to demonstrate that in the infractions report.’”

Two, a recent appellate ruling has limited schools’ ability to argue case precedent. When USC appealed penalties mostly tracing back to violations related to Reggie Bush, the appeals committee found that “the guidance provided by prior decisions is, and always has been, a matter of judgment.”

Buckner said the ruling “basically renders a lot of cases which are potentially good cases (to use as precedents) to be meaningless.”

This may not matter that much – though it certainly doesn’t help – because Tech’s case is unusual. As Tech associate athletic director Wayne Hogan said Thursday, the case “is so odd and so different from many other cases that we’ve seen, I believe you have to look at this one in a whole different light.”

(This is very, very inside baseball, but in his blog, Buckner posits that this ruling on the value of case precedent could ultimately be damaging for the NCAA.)

Along those lines, Tech’s ability to argue case precedent is also limited by the small number of cases (13) that have been appealed with the new rules. If Tech tries to cite a case prior to 2008, the infractions committee, in its report to the appeals committee, can claim “the case was based on a rule that is no longer valid anymore,” according to Buckner.

In its response to the NCAA’s Notice of Allegations, Tech did argue case precedent regarding the violation concerning the conditions and obligations of membership. All three came after the 2008 bylaw changes.

Three, Tech has a sliver of an opening in regards to the infractions committee’s ruling on Demaryius Thomas. He was ruled to have been guilty of a “preferential treatment” violation for accepting $312 worth of clothes from, the NCAA determined, his cousin’s roommate. (In Tech’s version, the clothes came from his cousin, which would not be a violation.) However, Thomas was never declared ineligible, even retroactively.

It could be argued that it’s excessive to vacate a game when the NCAA or institution didn’t declare any participants ineligible. Buckner called it an “oddity about the decision” and said that if he were Tech’s attorney, he would raise the point.

However, there’s a couple problems with that. The infractions committee will submit a report to the appeals committee and almost certainly will address why it didn’t declare Thomas ineligible. Second, Tech has acknowledged that Thomas should have been declared ineligible, at least temporarily. This is from Tech’s response to the allegations.

“In hindsight, even though the University does not believe that the available information supports a conclusion that he was ineligible, it would have been best for the University to have declared Thomas ineligible at the time.”

(Which doesn’t necessarily mean that Tech thinks Thomas did something wrong. Standard procedure is for schools, if they think there’s a possible violation, to declare the athlete ineligible to protect itself against the possibility of being found to have played games with a team member who had run afoul of the NCAA.)

That’s it in a somewhat large nutshell. This doesn’t mean I think Georgia Tech is guilty and is wrong shouldn’t appeal, or, for that matter, that I think Tech isn’t guilty and should appeal. (Though that would be a strange conclusion to draw.) It’s just going to be a difficult case to win.

I would say this, though. I think, if it thinks it was wronged, Tech should appeal, regardless of what its chances are. The worst that can happen is the appeal will be denied and the probationary period will start a few months later than it would have otherwise.

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Ken Sugiura, AJC

186 comments Add your comment

George Stein

July 22nd, 2011
4:36 pm

There you go, headley. Don’t bother concerning yourself with facts. Just point to something that happened six years ago when other people were in charge.

headley lamar

July 22nd, 2011
4:37 pm

You are free to explain to me how we “cheated” though since headley was incapable.

You coached the players on what to say and D Rad lied to the NCAA when he agreed to not tell CPJ the interviews were going to take place.

The biggest problem here is Tech people have always puffed them selves up as superior to everyone else in every way.

Then when reality hits them in the face they cant stand it.

Georgia Tech is nothing special. Its a mediocre program with a history of using ineligible players to try and keep up with the big boys.

Nothing more.

headley lamar

July 22nd, 2011
4:39 pm

Just point to something that happened six years ago when other people were in charge.

Fair enough. But you’ll mention Jan Kemp in a heartbeat wont you.

Admit it. You want one set of rules for Tech. another set for UGA.

Just like a three year old on the playground.

crackbaby

July 22nd, 2011
4:41 pm

Anybody read the nice story about reserve LB Albert Rocker (written by Matt Winkeljohn)?
[http://ramblinwreck.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/072111aaa.html]

You just don’t read stories like that in the paper anymore. Way to go Albert!

Pitbull

July 22nd, 2011
4:43 pm

I am not very smart tech sux go dogs woof woof woof luv my uga dogs yay!

techfan

July 22nd, 2011
5:00 pm

You coached the players on what to say and D Rad lied to the NCAA when he agreed to not tell CPJ the interviews were going to take place.

How do you know the players were coached on what to say? From what I heard they were told to be completely honest. Also, doing something someone else told you not to do is not lying, and DRad never told that to the NCAA anyways. You should really learn how the process works and who told who what before you spout off at the mouth some more.

The Grinch

July 22nd, 2011
5:07 pm

I still don’t understand what transpired for the NCAA to begin approaching tech about $300 in clothes. Seriously?

Tech Guy

July 22nd, 2011
5:10 pm

We Tech folks have thought of Tech as being a cut above other schools because of our excellent academics and strong tradition of high integrity. ADRad has brought us down a peg or two, and I don’t like it.

blackprix

July 22nd, 2011
5:11 pm

The NCAA got their feelings hurt because Tech did not treat them with the respect they believe they deserve. That’s tough when you have that much power and you don’t like how folks come across and then slap them by taking away an ACC Championship over nothing.

That stinks. If GT did wrong in this case, they DID NOT DESERVE the punishment they received based on all that I have read.

blackprix

July 22nd, 2011
5:12 pm

Tech Guy … I agree. But for the NCAA to take away a Conference Championship over this is ridiculous.

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July 22nd, 2011
5:22 pm

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July 22nd, 2011
5:23 pm

what bunch of whiny little bitshes we tech fans are…

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July 22nd, 2011
5:23 pm

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5:24 pm

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July 22nd, 2011
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July 22nd, 2011
5:27 pm

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July 22nd, 2011
5:31 pm

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July 22nd, 2011
5:32 pm

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July 22nd, 2011
5:36 pm

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Snowball

July 22nd, 2011
5:41 pm

You have my shot in hell of getting off probation and getting UGA’s ACC title back.

George Stein

July 22nd, 2011
5:42 pm

Funnily enough, headley, I bet a lot of UGA folks would support me as a reasonable person.

To your points:

1) You have no proof that anyone was coached up. It’s just a convenient accusation. There was no mention of Radakovich agreeing to the no-communication instruction. It was dictated to him.
2) If we compare ourselves to people like you, it’s difficult not feel superior.
3) For a mediocre program program, you sure feel the need to write about it often enough.
4) If you consider the past six years as history, UGA has less history than a team that plays on a blue field.
5) If you want to bring up Jan Kemp, fine. You will never see me mention it. Again, regular bloggers will support me on this (and my reasonableness was alluded to in earlier posts).
6) I have no interest in disparate sets of rules. I only want sensible ones.
7) You don’t know the difference between its and it’s or wont and won’t. Further, you post comments that require no thought or originality regularly. Who’s really the three year old here?

I M Jacket

July 22nd, 2011
5:44 pm

We don’t need no stinkin’ NCAA!

Rent A Player, Inc.

July 22nd, 2011
5:47 pm

All the Tech excuses seem to start out with “in hindsight we”; and rightly so. The Tech attorney, Ad and others obviously suffered from brain lock during these episodes and now have to play the sympathy card “Poor me- is wasn’t that bad!!” I’ll bet you Tech will not play fast and loose in future dealings with the NCAA.

George Stein

July 22nd, 2011
6:04 pm

I hope the next time the NCAA comes around, we push back even harder, Rent.

GA WRECKS....

July 22nd, 2011
6:19 pm

eat your humble pie bugfarts.

Rent A Player, Inc.

July 22nd, 2011
6:23 pm

George Stein Good luck with that. The NCAA is sending messages this year- watch and learn.

superDawg

July 22nd, 2011
6:34 pm

Gatorman

July 22nd, 2011
6:52 pm

If Tech was really interested in having an impact, they would fire Rad and PJ. Then the appeal might really impress the NCAA that Tech means business in cleaning house. I would like to know who hired the stupid lawyer in the first place. That person should have already been fired.

gt4ever

July 22nd, 2011
6:54 pm

Rent,
What messages would that be….. The ability to convict based on NO proof. The ability to allow the football factories to operate as they wish… There must be 100 examples of how the NCAA has been totally hypocritical in nature… This is a JOKE, and if this is not overturned, it will prove that the NCAA is WORTHLESS as an overseer of college athletics…

icallbs

July 22nd, 2011
6:58 pm

I’m totally on GT’s side in this matter. That said, it is always amusing and satisfying in a certain sense to see the vitriol regarding Georgia. Whatever….you guys can’t/won’t win that one except for the occasional outlier.

I digress. This should add more burn: http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/6794305/ncaa-agrees-ohio-state-buckeyes-football-findings

Words cannot express my disdain for the NCAA.

George Stein

July 22nd, 2011
7:04 pm

Uh, Paul Johnson did nothing wrong, Gatorman. The report never even implicated him.

I don’t think Radakovich’s “offense” warrants his termination, either.

gt4ever

July 22nd, 2011
7:07 pm

Great article icallbs…. Not surprising results…. The NCAA is a complete JOKE!

George Stein

July 22nd, 2011
7:08 pm

That’s exactly the point I have been trying to make, gt4ever. Every single member institution should be terrified by the fact that you can be put on probation, vacate win(s), and be fined when there is no hard evidence that anything wrong happened or the NCAA gets its panties in a wad.

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icallbs

July 22nd, 2011
7:44 pm

O State bent over and stuck up their a** for the NCAA; GT did not. Good for GT.

AUGUSTAJACKET

July 22nd, 2011
7:59 pm

I guess if the N.C.A.A. was the law of the land, And a Ga. Tech Football player Kill someone the whole team and Coaches would be but on trial for murder, The N.C.A.A. is the same as a Dictator .

Jacket93-Panther98

July 22nd, 2011
8:19 pm

Hate this for my alma mater. Glad my MBA is from GSU, I’ll be at the dome with my man coach Curry. Join the huddle and get your season tickets!!
GO TECH
GO PANTHERS!!

Wonderful Ohio on the Gulf 'Dog

July 22nd, 2011
9:07 pm

For the record, I hate Tech. My Daddy hated Tech. My Granddaddy hated Tech.

I taught my children “To Heck with Georgia Tech!” from the cradle (we also tried to raise them in a Christian home, so “To Hell” was kinda out of the question).

Having said all that, THE Georgia Institute of Technology ought to sue the Hell out of the NCAA!

You guys suck at cheating, yet you get slammed. THE Ohio Shame University Blackeyes cheat like a sonnofab you know what and they get their wrists slapped. Lightly! Lightly!

There is no justice in this world!

Gordon Gee had no institutional control whatsoever over THE O SHAME U’s athletic program, yet it gets away with the NCAA’s version of murder.

I’ll join with my nerdy NATS brothers with the refrain “To Hell with the NCAA!”

Back to hating Tech!

Ken Sugiura

July 22nd, 2011
10:41 pm

bb – this is way late, i apologize (it was a 1:52 post). the quote says that Tech realizes it would have been best to declare Thomas ineligible at the time. It doesn’t mean they think now he did anything wrong, because, clearly, they don’t think that. schools will hold out players if there’s a question about their ineligibility. They may find out that he/she in fact did nothing wrong, but better that than play an athlete hoping he/she didn’t do anything wrong and then later find out otherwise. i hope that clears up what i was saying.
jack ee – i’m not sure what story you’re talking about that says tech didn’t do anything wrong. michael buckner doesn’t know everything about the case, but i don’t think that’s a reason to discount his opinion entirely.

Ken Sugiura

July 22nd, 2011
10:43 pm

dude – thanks.

SiddyBoy

July 22nd, 2011
10:43 pm

The Georgia Institute of Technology-A university wannabe !!!

Red Stick

July 22nd, 2011
10:49 pm

T3,

You are living in fantasy land if you think Tech will win their appeal.

The NCAA has their bases covered and anticipate appeals when they issue their rulings.

Right or wrong it is what it is.

macrotech

July 23rd, 2011
1:53 am

Noob, we are less concerned with the court of public opinion and more interested in NOT getting robbed blind by a desperate ncaa. Nice handle, though!

headley lamar, are you suggesting that you would just sit back and watch someone come in and steal from your team? Heck! You can’t even shut-up on a blog that isn’t about your own team!

The ncaa continues in it’s inability to operate within a system of reason…they just gave Ohio State a slap on the wrist. AMAZING!!!

I like our players responses to all of this…if we must…we’ll settle this on the field! GO TECH!!!

macrotech

July 23rd, 2011
2:57 am

superDawg…it’s funny that you’d cry out, “RAID”! Didn’t your last AD lose his job involving something like this? Perhaps, HE should be known as “Noob”…he ONLY ended up with one pair AND in invitation to the unemployment line! Glad to see you’ve come out of hiding!

The Grinch…been missing your quips. Sincerely, tis good to have you (the real one) back!

Not a Hewitt Fan

July 23rd, 2011
7:42 am

FYI….AFLAC trivia question. Name the 5 D1 schools without the word UNIVERSITY in their name. Answer…..The 3 service academies, Boston College, and the boyz on N. Ave…the Ga Institiute of Technology. nuff said. GO JACKETS

T3

July 23rd, 2011
9:23 am

@Redstick

Its clear that youre as uninformed as Ken AND Michael Buckner is.

GT is going to win this appeal based on what has already reported and presented.

The reasons why I think GT will this appeal are plainly OBVIOUS to me.

If you, Ken, and Buckner cant see it, then I cant help you.

buzz

July 23rd, 2011
9:49 am

Ken, just curious, from which University did you get your degree?

Learn the difference between...

July 23rd, 2011
10:14 am

…”tack” and “tact” – as in “which is a tack most schools take.”(we would expect this mistake from a UGA journalism school grad…)

dawgfan

July 23rd, 2011
10:49 am

This would all be forgotten if Tech would just stop crying like little sissies about it. All internet smack talk aside, I am dead serious. You are making fools of yourselves and I am loving every minute of it.

2 field goals and a cloud of Bobo

July 23rd, 2011
10:52 am

All the dawgfans
“cried” their hearts out after the Central Florida Beat Down.