Tech planning to appeal NCAA ruling

After a meeting of Georgia Tech officials Thursday, it is a near certainty that the school will appeal the NCAA ruling handed down last week.

“I don’t want to put it as 100 percent we’ll do something, but it’s a virtual certainty,” associate athletics director Wayne Hogan said Thursday.

For rules violations largely stemming back an NCAA investigation of former football players Demaryius Thomas and Morgan Burnett that eventually found that Thomas had received clothes worth $312, Georgia Tech was fined $100,000, placed on four years’ probation and had its 2009 ACC championship vacated. The NCAA said that Tech “failed to cooperate in an apparent effort to avoid potential allegations of rules violations,” which school president G.P. BudPeterson and athletic director Dan Ravakovich have refuted. The school has not determined which of the penalties or findings it will challenge, but Hogan said, “I’d certainly think the vacation rises to the top of that list.”

Georgia Tech won’t have history on its side. Since the NCAA changed the appeals process rules in 2008, schools or individuals who have challenged NCAA infractions committee penalties have won only 1 of 13 appeals.

“There’s some doors that haven’t been closed in this case,” Hogan said. “There’s some curiosity as to the severity of the penalties based upon the facts of the case.”

Tech will have until next Thursday to notify the NCAA of its intent to appeal, then have 30 days to submit a written appeal. Hogan said the entire process could take months.

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Ken Sugiura, AJC

85 comments Add your comment

Ramblin Man

July 21st, 2011
5:18 pm

Why not appeal what’s the worse that could happen? Hopefully the probation will get shortened at the very least.

PooperScooper

July 21st, 2011
5:25 pm

It won’t matter when we replace the vacated ACC Championship trophy with the BCS National Championship trophy this year.

Delbert D.

July 21st, 2011
5:27 pm

Lotsa Fun

July 21st, 2011
5:33 pm

Be careful. Hack them off and the appeal may end up being “Thank you sir, may I have another?”

sharecropper

July 21st, 2011
5:35 pm

Tech is going to have to get past the belated fact that Johnson did not merely talk to one of the players, and then while waiting to board the team bus at Duke. Rather, it evolves that he and the AD met with both of them, and the only conclusion reasonable, even if rabid, Ga. Tech fans can reach is that they were being coached on answers. And I say that as a rabid Johnson option football fan with the usual frustration. (Question: why doesn’t Ga. Tech allow its quarterbacks to take engineering classes? Answer: because they can’t pass.) And when Johnson, legendary as having one of the most complex offenses in college football, and who calls every play from memory, and who is known to be able to see every defensive player’s movement on every play and thus immediately adjust his blocking schemes, claims the Nixon defense of “I do not recall” when he was asked what he told one player, though he clearly recalled he told him to tell the truth, well. The sad truth is we’re guilty of the usual screwup: the crime was insignificant. But then we went to coverup mode. We’re toast.

jack ee

July 21st, 2011
5:41 pm

wow and you Ken advised them not to and GT didn’t listen, BIG SURPRISE hahaha

jack ee

July 21st, 2011
5:45 pm

the reason the other 12 teams that appealed and did not win is that they all really did cheat.

GOOD for DRAD, even questioning BayBay for taking clothes from a friend of a friend of supposedly an agent is crazy. How many friends do you go through before one of them knows an agent or the name of an agent? This whole thing is so lame.

And you GT who wants to believe GT is guilty and take this shame, you are bigger losers than UGA people.

FIGHT BACK GT, you go DRAD

Do What?

July 21st, 2011
5:51 pm

What is there to appeal? Of course maybe the appeal will get to the bottom of what “really” took place after DRad informed Fish Fry about the NCAA. Maybe there’s more to this sordid episode than is currently known. Maybe, just maybe, Fish Fry’s heads up allowed the possibly larger more damaging situation to be hidden, covered up. There has to be more involved, has to be. The NCAA realizes boosters and others know how to hide the big things (Cecil’s Money) but they generally nail you on the smaller violations with a punishment befitting the more serious violation. Let’s be open minded, getting a 4 year sentence and a $100,000 fine for a parking violation sounds a lot like the sentence you receive if you were DUI, hit and run, with a trunk load of cocaine. Overkill.

Something doesn’t add up but I guess the morale to the story is “this is what happens when you value winning over integrity”.

Harvey D. Pooka

July 21st, 2011
5:58 pm

“I refuse to go quietly, into that cold, dark, relentness night.”

Good decision, if in fact they follow through. Whether it succeeds or fails, it’ll probably tick the NCAA off enough that GT must tread softly for awhile and not tempt the fates. But, I think they have a good case in that if there was violations, the punishment does not meet the crime.

Jacket Man

July 21st, 2011
6:03 pm

Now this belies the question;

if the “investigator” wanted GA Tech to suspend the player pending his findings (which I remind everyone exonerated the player), and the actual main infraction against GA Tech is his claim that Paul Johnson and the player were notified in advance of the impending investigation, how in the heck did he expect Paul Johnson know to hold out the player pending his investigation unless someone told him to do so?

I would also suggest that if you’re a Head Football Coach and you AD comes to you and tells you that one of your players needs to be held out of several games, he won’t be so stupid as to wonder why, but may still ask for some specific details.

I would also suggest that the player would probably figure something was up when he was told he had to sit out a few games. I souls also suspect he would ask a few questions as to what and why this was happening.

My point is that the investigator wanted it both ways – GA Tech’s Administration wasn’t supposed to inform the Head Coach of the investigation, but they also wanted the player held out of the game. The AA isn’t the Head Coach so he can’t suspend a player without telling him he won’t be able to play, and the player will expect to be playing until he’s told otherwise.

Being given a major infraction for communication for doing exactly what their own investigator ordered (talking to the Head Coach and player about his requested suspension)? Does this make any sense?

Can someone explain THAT to me?

Fred

July 21st, 2011
6:04 pm

PooperScooper: not this year. At least one more year, possibly two years, away. This team still needs (1) big, durable A-back instead of running back by committee, (2) secondary may be undersized and definitely inexperienced, (3) need big ( B I G ) improvement in special teams play.

BTW, PooperScooper, just my opinion but I think a change of name is in order there, buddy.

Ken Sugiura

July 21st, 2011
6:08 pm

jack ee – i didn’t advise them not to do it. i said the odds were against them, which i still maintain. thanks for reading!

Footballrules

July 21st, 2011
6:10 pm

Don’t blame them….but it will be like a Jewish member of the Communist Party going before Hitler’s “Hanging Judge,” Roland Freisler, and asking for mercy.

The NCAA Has Lost ITs Marbles

July 21st, 2011
6:13 pm

Tech should appeal. The penalties are absurd. I would like to know if Tech has grounds for legal action against the NCAA for the tactics it employed during its investigation. Any excerpts I have read are full of leading questions that lead me to believe Tech was pronounced guilty before the NCAA set foot on campus. Its ironic that an organization whose existence is to enforce standards has no standards of its own. And it’s not just Tech. The other day the NCAA told Auburn that the Cam Newton investigation is not over until the NCAA says its over. That too smells of prejudgement on the part of the NCAA who is likely not going to leave Auburn alone until it finds something, anything… just as with Tech.

Jacket Man

July 21st, 2011
6:30 pm

By the way, if I’m not mistaken, the “investigator” assigned to GA Tech just happened to reside from the University of North Carolina. Do you think he might be looking for another school to take some heat off of his own?

Buzzzed

July 21st, 2011
6:51 pm

I’d like the players to sue the NCAA class action style to get the championship back.

Hope Tech gets the championship back and gets the probation reduced.

repeat offenders

July 21st, 2011
6:51 pm

good money after bad if the appeal fails it should cost DRad his job.

GT93

July 21st, 2011
6:58 pm

I’ve been asking the same question ‘Jacket Man’. The investigator’s name is Marcus Wilson, and he is a former UNC Tarheel football player. His current title with NCAA is “Assistant Director of Agent, Gambling and Amateurism Activities”. He was “excused” from the UNC investigations last year due to an obvious conflict of interest.

http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2010/08/04/unc-grad-handling-ncaa-investigation-of-unc/

Chuck

July 21st, 2011
6:59 pm

It’s Tech’s hide-everything knee-jerk reaction that cost them their title.

They didn’t think anything of it at the time because they hide far worse on a consistent basis.

techfan

July 21st, 2011
7:54 pm

It’s Tech’s hide-everything knee-jerk reaction that cost them their title.

What did they hide?

TDOne

July 21st, 2011
8:18 pm

The worse thing that can happen is that the NCAA says no. It’s acting as judge and jury anyway. Talk about a conflict of interet.

juvenal

July 21st, 2011
8:21 pm

true Tech fans-you have to gripe, you know drad’s e-mail address-the wagons are circled, you are a Cowboy or not? in public, remember what momma told you, can’t say something nice?-SHUT UP! dauug fans like chuck-go to hell, please…….

NERDS!!! 9-1!!! $312!!!

July 21st, 2011
8:25 pm

tech planning to cheat in chess and Go Fish.

GT93

July 21st, 2011
8:30 pm

I’d also like to know what accountability resides with the Sports Agency and their ‘employees’ over this matter. Why did they gift $312 of clothing in the first place? They’re supposed to know and follow the rules like everyone else.

ACC Champs: my T-shirt doesn't lie!

July 21st, 2011
8:32 pm

I’d like the investigator to be asked just exactly how Tech was to sit a player and the head coach not to know why. That reeks of an unnecessary/unreasonable request/demand.

Gordo in AZ

July 21st, 2011
8:33 pm

Appeal!!! Way too severe. Pay the fine but let us keep the ACC Championship (trophy, bragging rights, banner in the stadium, etc.)!!

juvenal

July 21st, 2011
8:35 pm

into the valley of death rode Drad………princple, not principal……

BigTimeTECHFan

July 21st, 2011
8:38 pm

Something is very odd with this case.
Most schools are allowed to do internal investigations when they feel a player may be in violation of NCAA rule. Yet NCAA tells Tech their AD can’t even speak to coach or player about it.

GT Rich

July 21st, 2011
8:50 pm

If the NCAA never found evidence to declare D. Thomas ineligible, then how can they take away the victory? Punish the adminstrators and the players are collateral damage. Hardly fair… Seems logical that GT should get the ACC championship reinstated, but probably deserves the fine and probation for ignoring a direct order. GT should also punish DRad with a month off without pay or make him pay the fine since it was his action that escalated this situation.

Buzz 2011

July 21st, 2011
9:22 pm

Do not ask for an opinion on any appeal from AJC SPORTS…We may get the slanted input from
one Bark Madley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Covers Dixie like the Dew

July 21st, 2011
9:49 pm

The Georgia Institute of Technology is an honorable and respectful place.

Go Jackets.

dawgfan

July 21st, 2011
10:03 pm

Gordo in AZ, bragging rights for an ACC Championship? That’s like bragging about a pair of shoes you bought at Wal Mart.

I digress. Are you little girls ever going to get over this? Holy cow what a bunch of babies. This is priceless.

Alabama Jack

July 21st, 2011
10:14 pm

Know how tell a dawg fan is spouting crap? His lips are moving.

Rednecks

July 21st, 2011
10:17 pm

Well we gotta give you boys a hard time since we haven’t done anything since 1980. Heck our SEC schedule is sissy fied every year. Yea we beat our chest that we play in the SEC but let’s be real, it’s not the cream of the crop if you get me. It’s the usual overrated South Carolina and UT. And then our annual butt kicking we get with the Gators. We don’t even play Alabama or LSU except every four years. So we gotta rip on you dorks to get some kind of closure. You guys understand I’m sure. Back to the trailer :)

Tech fan

July 21st, 2011
10:19 pm

Yea, sure dawgfan. Whatever you say. Keep thinking you’re the best like you do every year. 6-7 here we come! Go Dogs lol

dawgfan

July 21st, 2011
10:31 pm

Who is stupid enough to dump on a 6-7 record after their own team just went…yep, you guessed it….6-7? Tech fans. That’s who. These people are just not very bright.

As for the classic Techie “you haven’t done anything since 1980″ jab, you are absolutely right. We haven’t done anything. That’s why nobody is handing us any trophies for going 22-8 vs. your half azzed joke of a football program since 1980. They don’t care because Georgia Tech is an irrelevant speck of dirt in the world that is college football.

Georgia football: 14-11 in 2009 and 2010, but 2-0 vs. Georgia Tech. LMAO. Georgia Tech=JOKE.

Cry about it to the NCAA Techies.

See ya.

2 field goals and a cloud of Bobo

July 21st, 2011
10:40 pm

George O’Leary and Central Florida made the Dawgs cry all the way home from Memphis.

RAMBLE ON!!!

July 21st, 2011
10:48 pm

GT GRAD

July 21st, 2011
10:57 pm

The NCAA needs to conduct a very detailed and in depth investigation into Marcus Wilson (the power hungry NCAA investigator who decided to get back at GT for what appears to be childish reasons) and then they need to reduce the penalties to a fair and reasonable level (maybe 1 year of probation…..the end!).

This guy wanted GT to suspend two players late in the season based on VERY little evidence that a VERY minor infraction MIGHT have occurred……..WITHOUT letting the coaching staff (not even Paul Johnson) know ANYTHING about the investigation!! WOW

He gets mad, pouts, stews and decides to show GT he can bring down the mighty NCAA hammer……..all because GT was advised by the compliance lawyers that they have nothing to worry about. The biggest mistake GT made was actually listening to the professional advice of the NCAA compliance coordinator and lawyers they hired to provide guidance and legal advice regarding this incident.

I sincerely believe all of the decision makers at GT truly thought this was no big deal at the time because THEY ALL KNEW THEY HAD NOT INTENTIONALLY DONE ANYTHING WRONG which even remotely could be construde as an attempt to gain a competitive advantage on the football field. Come on…….everyone knows this last statement is completely true.

The odds might be against GT, but I think they should definitely appeal AND I also think they should request disciplinary actions against one Marcus Wilson (assuming he is guilty as charged of course).

superDawg

July 21st, 2011
11:00 pm

tech fan keep acting like you beat UGA evey year.

Snellville Jacket

July 21st, 2011
11:03 pm

Appeal it, DRAD! And if the appeal is denied, burn that championship trophy on the 50 yard line at Grant Field before you ever send it back!

superDawg

July 21st, 2011
11:04 pm

appeal macriod I am waiting for your input.

superJacket

July 21st, 2011
11:06 pm

Dawg in waiting?

superDawg

July 21st, 2011
11:07 pm

Do you know how to shut up a nerd?Yea thats right you punch them in the nose.Then you go and fry some fish and celebrate!

sports

July 21st, 2011
11:08 pm

the arrogance of these blowflys makes you want to vomit…it could have been a lot worse, They would appeal, no matter what the crime was.

superDawg

July 21st, 2011
11:10 pm

macriod I like your new ganger thats cute.

2 field goals and a cloud of Bobo

July 21st, 2011
11:20 pm

Offensive Coordinator of the year.

BS Patrol

July 21st, 2011
11:33 pm

They all want to BE Georgia Tech. When they realize they can’t BE Georgia Tech it causes their brains to fracture a mainspring.

superDawg

July 21st, 2011
11:40 pm

BS you are a cork screw with a left hand thread boy.

jabster

July 21st, 2011
11:59 pm

I want Tech to replace Zombie Nation with Cee-Lo Green when entering the stadium this year…