Tech planning to appeal NCAA ruling
After a meeting of Georgia Tech officials Thursday, it is a near certainty that the school will appeal the NCAA ruling handed down last week.
“I don’t want to put it as 100 percent we’ll do something, but it’s a virtual certainty,” associate athletics director Wayne Hogan said Thursday.
For rules violations largely stemming back an NCAA investigation of former football players Demaryius Thomas and Morgan Burnett that eventually found that Thomas had received clothes worth $312, Georgia Tech was fined $100,000, placed on four years’ probation and had its 2009 ACC championship vacated. The NCAA said that Tech “failed to cooperate in an apparent effort to avoid potential allegations of rules violations,” which school president G.P. “Bud” Peterson and athletic director Dan Ravakovich have refuted. The school has not determined which of the penalties or findings it will challenge, but Hogan said, “I’d certainly think the vacation rises to the top of that list.”
Georgia Tech won’t have history on its side. Since the NCAA changed the appeals process rules in 2008, schools or individuals who have challenged NCAA infractions committee penalties have won only 1 of 13 appeals.
“There’s some doors that haven’t been closed in this case,” Hogan said. “There’s some curiosity as to the severity of the penalties based upon the facts of the case.”
Tech will have until next Thursday to notify the NCAA of its intent to appeal, then have 30 days to submit a written appeal. Hogan said the entire process could take months.
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Ramblin Man
July 21st, 2011
5:18 pm
Why not appeal what’s the worse that could happen? Hopefully the probation will get shortened at the very least.
PooperScooper
July 21st, 2011
5:25 pm
It won’t matter when we replace the vacated ACC Championship trophy with the BCS National Championship trophy this year.
Delbert D.
July 21st, 2011
5:27 pm
Sue them.
Lotsa Fun
July 21st, 2011
5:33 pm
Be careful. Hack them off and the appeal may end up being “Thank you sir, may I have another?”
sharecropper
July 21st, 2011
5:35 pm
Tech is going to have to get past the belated fact that Johnson did not merely talk to one of the players, and then while waiting to board the team bus at Duke. Rather, it evolves that he and the AD met with both of them, and the only conclusion reasonable, even if rabid, Ga. Tech fans can reach is that they were being coached on answers. And I say that as a rabid Johnson option football fan with the usual frustration. (Question: why doesn’t Ga. Tech allow its quarterbacks to take engineering classes? Answer: because they can’t pass.) And when Johnson, legendary as having one of the most complex offenses in college football, and who calls every play from memory, and who is known to be able to see every defensive player’s movement on every play and thus immediately adjust his blocking schemes, claims the Nixon defense of “I do not recall” when he was asked what he told one player, though he clearly recalled he told him to tell the truth, well. The sad truth is we’re guilty of the usual screwup: the crime was insignificant. But then we went to coverup mode. We’re toast.
jack ee
July 21st, 2011
5:41 pm
wow and you Ken advised them not to and GT didn’t listen, BIG SURPRISE hahaha
jack ee
July 21st, 2011
5:45 pm
the reason the other 12 teams that appealed and did not win is that they all really did cheat.
GOOD for DRAD, even questioning BayBay for taking clothes from a friend of a friend of supposedly an agent is crazy. How many friends do you go through before one of them knows an agent or the name of an agent? This whole thing is so lame.
And you GT who wants to believe GT is guilty and take this shame, you are bigger losers than UGA people.
FIGHT BACK GT, you go DRAD
Do What?
July 21st, 2011
5:51 pm
What is there to appeal? Of course maybe the appeal will get to the bottom of what “really” took place after DRad informed Fish Fry about the NCAA. Maybe there’s more to this sordid episode than is currently known. Maybe, just maybe, Fish Fry’s heads up allowed the possibly larger more damaging situation to be hidden, covered up. There has to be more involved, has to be. The NCAA realizes boosters and others know how to hide the big things (Cecil’s Money) but they generally nail you on the smaller violations with a punishment befitting the more serious violation. Let’s be open minded, getting a 4 year sentence and a $100,000 fine for a parking violation sounds a lot like the sentence you receive if you were DUI, hit and run, with a trunk load of cocaine. Overkill.
Something doesn’t add up but I guess the morale to the story is “this is what happens when you value winning over integrity”.
Harvey D. Pooka
July 21st, 2011
5:58 pm
“I refuse to go quietly, into that cold, dark, relentness night.”
Good decision, if in fact they follow through. Whether it succeeds or fails, it’ll probably tick the NCAA off enough that GT must tread softly for awhile and not tempt the fates. But, I think they have a good case in that if there was violations, the punishment does not meet the crime.
Jacket Man
July 21st, 2011
6:03 pm
Now this belies the question;
if the “investigator” wanted GA Tech to suspend the player pending his findings (which I remind everyone exonerated the player), and the actual main infraction against GA Tech is his claim that Paul Johnson and the player were notified in advance of the impending investigation, how in the heck did he expect Paul Johnson know to hold out the player pending his investigation unless someone told him to do so?
I would also suggest that if you’re a Head Football Coach and you AD comes to you and tells you that one of your players needs to be held out of several games, he won’t be so stupid as to wonder why, but may still ask for some specific details.
I would also suggest that the player would probably figure something was up when he was told he had to sit out a few games. I souls also suspect he would ask a few questions as to what and why this was happening.
My point is that the investigator wanted it both ways – GA Tech’s Administration wasn’t supposed to inform the Head Coach of the investigation, but they also wanted the player held out of the game. The AA isn’t the Head Coach so he can’t suspend a player without telling him he won’t be able to play, and the player will expect to be playing until he’s told otherwise.
Being given a major infraction for communication for doing exactly what their own investigator ordered (talking to the Head Coach and player about his requested suspension)? Does this make any sense?
Can someone explain THAT to me?
Fred
July 21st, 2011
6:04 pm
PooperScooper: not this year. At least one more year, possibly two years, away. This team still needs (1) big, durable A-back instead of running back by committee, (2) secondary may be undersized and definitely inexperienced, (3) need big ( B I G ) improvement in special teams play.
BTW, PooperScooper, just my opinion but I think a change of name is in order there, buddy.
Ken Sugiura
July 21st, 2011
6:08 pm
jack ee – i didn’t advise them not to do it. i said the odds were against them, which i still maintain. thanks for reading!
Footballrules
July 21st, 2011
6:10 pm
Don’t blame them….but it will be like a Jewish member of the Communist Party going before Hitler’s “Hanging Judge,” Roland Freisler, and asking for mercy.
The NCAA Has Lost ITs Marbles
July 21st, 2011
6:13 pm
Tech should appeal. The penalties are absurd. I would like to know if Tech has grounds for legal action against the NCAA for the tactics it employed during its investigation. Any excerpts I have read are full of leading questions that lead me to believe Tech was pronounced guilty before the NCAA set foot on campus. Its ironic that an organization whose existence is to enforce standards has no standards of its own. And it’s not just Tech. The other day the NCAA told Auburn that the Cam Newton investigation is not over until the NCAA says its over. That too smells of prejudgement on the part of the NCAA who is likely not going to leave Auburn alone until it finds something, anything… just as with Tech.
Jacket Man
July 21st, 2011
6:30 pm
By the way, if I’m not mistaken, the “investigator” assigned to GA Tech just happened to reside from the University of North Carolina. Do you think he might be looking for another school to take some heat off of his own?
Buzzzed
July 21st, 2011
6:51 pm
I’d like the players to sue the NCAA class action style to get the championship back.
Hope Tech gets the championship back and gets the probation reduced.
repeat offenders
July 21st, 2011
6:51 pm
good money after bad if the appeal fails it should cost DRad his job.
GT93
July 21st, 2011
6:58 pm
I’ve been asking the same question ‘Jacket Man’. The investigator’s name is Marcus Wilson, and he is a former UNC Tarheel football player. His current title with NCAA is “Assistant Director of Agent, Gambling and Amateurism Activities”. He was “excused” from the UNC investigations last year due to an obvious conflict of interest.
http://www.statefansnation.com/index.php/archives/2010/08/04/unc-grad-handling-ncaa-investigation-of-unc/
Chuck
July 21st, 2011
6:59 pm
It’s Tech’s hide-everything knee-jerk reaction that cost them their title.
They didn’t think anything of it at the time because they hide far worse on a consistent basis.
techfan
July 21st, 2011
7:54 pm
It’s Tech’s hide-everything knee-jerk reaction that cost them their title.
What did they hide?
TDOne
July 21st, 2011
8:18 pm
The worse thing that can happen is that the NCAA says no. It’s acting as judge and jury anyway. Talk about a conflict of interet.
juvenal
July 21st, 2011
8:21 pm
true Tech fans-you have to gripe, you know drad’s e-mail address-the wagons are circled, you are a Cowboy or not? in public, remember what momma told you, can’t say something nice?-SHUT UP! dauug fans like chuck-go to hell, please…….
NERDS!!! 9-1!!! $312!!!
July 21st, 2011
8:25 pm
tech planning to cheat in chess and Go Fish.
GT93
July 21st, 2011
8:30 pm
I’d also like to know what accountability resides with the Sports Agency and their ‘employees’ over this matter. Why did they gift $312 of clothing in the first place? They’re supposed to know and follow the rules like everyone else.
ACC Champs: my T-shirt doesn't lie!
July 21st, 2011
8:32 pm
I’d like the investigator to be asked just exactly how Tech was to sit a player and the head coach not to know why. That reeks of an unnecessary/unreasonable request/demand.
Gordo in AZ
July 21st, 2011
8:33 pm
Appeal!!! Way too severe. Pay the fine but let us keep the ACC Championship (trophy, bragging rights, banner in the stadium, etc.)!!
juvenal
July 21st, 2011
8:35 pm
into the valley of death rode Drad………princple, not principal……
BigTimeTECHFan
July 21st, 2011
8:38 pm
Something is very odd with this case.
Most schools are allowed to do internal investigations when they feel a player may be in violation of NCAA rule. Yet NCAA tells Tech their AD can’t even speak to coach or player about it.
GT Rich
July 21st, 2011
8:50 pm
If the NCAA never found evidence to declare D. Thomas ineligible, then how can they take away the victory? Punish the adminstrators and the players are collateral damage. Hardly fair… Seems logical that GT should get the ACC championship reinstated, but probably deserves the fine and probation for ignoring a direct order. GT should also punish DRad with a month off without pay or make him pay the fine since it was his action that escalated this situation.
Buzz 2011
July 21st, 2011
9:22 pm
Do not ask for an opinion on any appeal from AJC SPORTS…We may get the slanted input from
one Bark Madley!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Covers Dixie like the Dew
July 21st, 2011
9:49 pm
The Georgia Institute of Technology is an honorable and respectful place.
Go Jackets.
dawgfan
July 21st, 2011
10:03 pm
Gordo in AZ, bragging rights for an ACC Championship? That’s like bragging about a pair of shoes you bought at Wal Mart.
I digress. Are you little girls ever going to get over this? Holy cow what a bunch of babies. This is priceless.
Alabama Jack
July 21st, 2011
10:14 pm
Know how tell a dawg fan is spouting crap? His lips are moving.
Rednecks
July 21st, 2011
10:17 pm
Well we gotta give you boys a hard time since we haven’t done anything since 1980. Heck our SEC schedule is sissy fied every year. Yea we beat our chest that we play in the SEC but let’s be real, it’s not the cream of the crop if you get me. It’s the usual overrated South Carolina and UT. And then our annual butt kicking we get with the Gators. We don’t even play Alabama or LSU except every four years. So we gotta rip on you dorks to get some kind of closure. You guys understand I’m sure. Back to the trailer
Tech fan
July 21st, 2011
10:19 pm
Yea, sure dawgfan. Whatever you say. Keep thinking you’re the best like you do every year. 6-7 here we come! Go Dogs lol
dawgfan
July 21st, 2011
10:31 pm
Who is stupid enough to dump on a 6-7 record after their own team just went…yep, you guessed it….6-7? Tech fans. That’s who. These people are just not very bright.
As for the classic Techie “you haven’t done anything since 1980″ jab, you are absolutely right. We haven’t done anything. That’s why nobody is handing us any trophies for going 22-8 vs. your half azzed joke of a football program since 1980. They don’t care because Georgia Tech is an irrelevant speck of dirt in the world that is college football.
Georgia football: 14-11 in 2009 and 2010, but 2-0 vs. Georgia Tech. LMAO. Georgia Tech=JOKE.
Cry about it to the NCAA Techies.
See ya.
2 field goals and a cloud of Bobo
July 21st, 2011
10:40 pm
George O’Leary and Central Florida made the Dawgs cry all the way home from Memphis.
RAMBLE ON!!!
July 21st, 2011
10:48 pm
Hell yeah.
GT GRAD
July 21st, 2011
10:57 pm
The NCAA needs to conduct a very detailed and in depth investigation into Marcus Wilson (the power hungry NCAA investigator who decided to get back at GT for what appears to be childish reasons) and then they need to reduce the penalties to a fair and reasonable level (maybe 1 year of probation…..the end!).
This guy wanted GT to suspend two players late in the season based on VERY little evidence that a VERY minor infraction MIGHT have occurred……..WITHOUT letting the coaching staff (not even Paul Johnson) know ANYTHING about the investigation!! WOW
He gets mad, pouts, stews and decides to show GT he can bring down the mighty NCAA hammer……..all because GT was advised by the compliance lawyers that they have nothing to worry about. The biggest mistake GT made was actually listening to the professional advice of the NCAA compliance coordinator and lawyers they hired to provide guidance and legal advice regarding this incident.
I sincerely believe all of the decision makers at GT truly thought this was no big deal at the time because THEY ALL KNEW THEY HAD NOT INTENTIONALLY DONE ANYTHING WRONG which even remotely could be construde as an attempt to gain a competitive advantage on the football field. Come on…….everyone knows this last statement is completely true.
The odds might be against GT, but I think they should definitely appeal AND I also think they should request disciplinary actions against one Marcus Wilson (assuming he is guilty as charged of course).
superDawg
July 21st, 2011
11:00 pm
tech fan keep acting like you beat UGA evey year.
Snellville Jacket
July 21st, 2011
11:03 pm
Appeal it, DRAD! And if the appeal is denied, burn that championship trophy on the 50 yard line at Grant Field before you ever send it back!
superDawg
July 21st, 2011
11:04 pm
appeal macriod I am waiting for your input.
superJacket
July 21st, 2011
11:06 pm
Dawg in waiting?
superDawg
July 21st, 2011
11:07 pm
Do you know how to shut up a nerd?Yea thats right you punch them in the nose.Then you go and fry some fish and celebrate!
sports
July 21st, 2011
11:08 pm
the arrogance of these blowflys makes you want to vomit…it could have been a lot worse, They would appeal, no matter what the crime was.
superDawg
July 21st, 2011
11:10 pm
macriod I like your new ganger thats cute.
2 field goals and a cloud of Bobo
July 21st, 2011
11:20 pm
Offensive Coordinator of the year.
BS Patrol
July 21st, 2011
11:33 pm
They all want to BE Georgia Tech. When they realize they can’t BE Georgia Tech it causes their brains to fracture a mainspring.
superDawg
July 21st, 2011
11:40 pm
BS you are a cork screw with a left hand thread boy.
jabster
July 21st, 2011
11:59 pm
I want Tech to replace Zombie Nation with Cee-Lo Green when entering the stadium this year…
mp
July 22nd, 2011
3:56 am
@sharecropper . . . your tinfoil hat is a little too tight, bro. i would suggest rabid is insinuating something inappropriate took place without a shred of corroborating evidence. obviously, you were there during the conversations. please, enlighten us with CPJ’s exact words. wait a minute–i’m hearing crickets chirp. is that because you’re speculating as to what you’d like everyone to believe happened? do us all a favor and take your imagination elsewhere unless you’ve got “the goods” on our coach.
i will agree with you that D-rad’s actions to involve CPJ were wrong. and, the NCAA has decided to make an example of us. but, since you wanna invoke CPJ as nixon, i submit you’re as nutty those conspiracy theorists looking to pin LBJ or the cubans for JFK’s assassination. get a life or cheer for another team!
Stinger 2
July 22nd, 2011
6:12 am
GT fan since 1952 and always will be regardless of wh the AD or coaches are. A fan cannot control anything a bout a sports program…can only continue cheer for or desert them. I choose to do the former. However, after CPJ`s recent babbling about it being o.k. to cheat at whatever you are doing except football, I think GT should put a handkerchief in his mouth before moving out with its appeal. The guy just kept putting his foot in his mouth in that interview.
RedandBlackDAWG
July 22nd, 2011
6:31 am
Might as well appeal. You have nothing to lose and maybe, if the NCAA saints deem you worthy, the penalty will be reduced.
The SEC is pushing them act faster, but they claim that they do not have the staff. In that case, they should at least issue a preliminary finding instead of leaving a team out to hang and wait on them to act.
They did so for Auburn with Newton, and then say they are still investigating it nine months later. They even let OSU players they had already found guilty, play and defer their punishment until next year.
Both of these instances are much more serious than offending the NCAA investigators sensitivities.
The NCAA has shown inconsistent punishment and has not been equal when handing it out. I think Tech. just hurt NCAA investigators feelings, because of what he perceived as not cooperating. When in the world did the party ever being charged, ever try to help convict itself, Thats just stupid on his behalf. The only time NCAA schools ever help out is when they have been caught red handed and there is no denying it. Then they go to the old, “Self Imposed Penalties”, in order to see if they can soften the load once a ruling does come down.
Wreck
July 22nd, 2011
6:47 am
Georgia Tech is a clean program, we have no fear of appealing. The fact the NCAA acted with gusto for a program like Georgia Tech is just further proof thast the system is tilted toward those that are doing the ACTUAL cheating.
OldSchoolTechFanatic
July 22nd, 2011
7:29 am
Why did we hurt the WHOLE program over 1 wide reciever ??????? I have raised my daughter to be a GT fan just like my dad raised me to be a GT fan. She is now 12 years old and loves wearing GT clothes. What am I suppose to tell her ??????? How did we become like every other program ??????? I use to tell my daughter anybody can be a UGA fan but not everyone can be a GT fan. I guess I want use that anymore cause now we are just like every other program !!!!!!!
Jacket Man
July 22nd, 2011
7:53 am
After further review, I have discovered that one Commissioner Dr. Dennis E. Thomas was assigned by the NCAA to lead the “investigation” into GA Tech’s supposed transgressions against their sacred policies. Here’s the rub; While Dr. Thomas might be considered an intelligent man, at some level, which after his leadership in this investigation I would even question, he comes from a Mid-Major Conference and has absolutely NO administrative experience whatsoever within a Major NCAA Conference.
Obviously there are tremendous differences between Mid-Major and Major Conferences besides just the sheer size of the Universities, and the amount of money that they have in their budgets. There are also large issues, like the fact that the Mid-Majors have a football Playoff System (FCS) where it’s not in the Major Conferences BCS (Bowl System).
In reading Dr. Thomas’ background, nothing suggests any specialized training for legal issues, including compliance. What is suggested, however, is a man who has only been involved in collegiate athletics at a Division III and Mid-Major levels his entire career, as a student, a terrible coach, and an Administrator who been stuck in the Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference for over 30 years.
After further investigation, I have also discovered that Dr. Thomas has a history of complaints raised against him by other Universities that he has investigated.
With these facts in hand, GA Tech should have the grounds to appeal by saying they were investigated by someone who wasn’t qualified in the first place, due to his education, he didn’t have the requisite knowledge or experience necessary of even how a member institute such as the being investigated actually operates, so he couldn’t know their policies or procedures, and tried to implement his Mid-Major policies to the Major University during the course of the “investigation”.
Finally, I might suggest that, based on his past history, Dr. Thomas has shown a propensity to unfairly treat Major Universities and draw complaints and that there is a reasonable inference that he has a hidden agenda, as a Mid-Major Administrator, to make points against Major Universities.
Jacket Man
July 22nd, 2011
7:59 am
On a side note, take a peek at three of GA Tech’s new receivers standing next to one of GA Tech’s all time greats:
http://twitpic.com/5txkge
Just Guessing
July 22nd, 2011
7:59 am
Smart move because we got hammered for being first in line for new improved NCAA tough guy stance. An appeal moves the calendar for a final NCAA ruling until more is disclosed and perhaps penalties set for Tarheels, Ducks,Buckeyes and looking at our case for failure to suspend on “doubt”, Aubie.
Professor
July 22nd, 2011
8:20 am
Tech cheats & still can’t win. Won 13 games against GEORGIA since 1964.
Hal
July 22nd, 2011
8:22 am
DO What? Do what?
RambleOn84
July 22nd, 2011
8:27 am
I blame Paul Johnson for this…he is supposed to do his job of paying attention to every article of clothing every player wears, and ask them to provide receipts when they are wearing something new.
Everyone knows that Mark Richt does this; that is why his program is so squeaky clean.
The coach is responsible for micromanaging every player’s life and keeping constant tabs on him. Johnson needs to understand this.
I normally don’t agree with the UGA fans, but y’all are exactly right. Hopefully Johnson gets it through his head and we will stop our cheating ways and run a tight ship like Richt does up in Cowtown.
RambleOn84
July 22nd, 2011
8:29 am
Everyone knows it’s Johnson’s responsibility to keep a detailed log of what clothing each player is wearing every day. And when a player is wearing something new, it is imperative that Johnson makes them provide a receipt to prove they bought it themselves.
Johnson really dropped the ball on this one.
JM
July 22nd, 2011
8:59 am
The NCAA report says there was no evidence to show any of the players violated any rules. They were never declared ineligible. You can’t vacate games when nothing was in violation of the rules.
If the NCAA appeals committeee doesn’t change this ruling, its obvious that they have an agenda that is not fair. They can’t even follow its own rules.
T3
July 22nd, 2011
9:13 am
Ken:
You say “history” is not on GT’s side.
In fact, history is T-O-T-A-L-L-Y on GT’s side in this matter.
That you STILL cant see that is VERY stunniing and
can only be a reflection of ignorance that comes from being
young, inexperienced, and uninformed.
And again, your lack of objectivity is showing.
GT is going to prevail, and the ACC title will be restored
and 4 years probation will be eliminated.
wes
July 22nd, 2011
9:24 am
The worst thing they can do is say no.
Get back to World of Warcraft, nerd
July 22nd, 2011
9:34 am
1451 more days on probation.
Funny how when Tech gets caught cheating all 5 of their fans come on here ripping the NCAA.
Your not going to win the appeal and will just look dumber in the long run.
Its not like Tech doesn’t have a history. This is the second probation in the last 10 years.
The next one is going to be really bad.
Get back to World of Warcraft, nerd
July 22nd, 2011
9:35 am
Tech has turned into one of the dirtiest programs in college football.
Jacket Man
July 22nd, 2011
9:36 am
“RambleOn84;” are you being serious or are you just plain oblivious? Do you honestly believe a Head Football Coach should be responsible to know what clothing every player wears every day, meaning he must know the origin of where the clothes came from? Are you REALLY that ignorant or are you just trying to act the fool?
Regardless to your answer, no one should be willing show their ignorance without being totally
humiliated. It’s stupidity at it’s very best and not the least bit humorous if that was your attempt.
Tampa Wreck
July 22nd, 2011
9:41 am
Lighten up Jacket Man. It’s pretty plain to see that Ramble On was using sarcasm to demonstrate the insanity of this..
GTBrad
July 22nd, 2011
9:42 am
T3,
Don’t get your hopes up. I would just be happy for Tech to get their ACC championship game back, but I’m doubtful they’ll back down on any of their punishments.
Ken,
I could do my own research, but could you enlighten us a little more on the appeal process? Who in the NCAA reviews our appeals claim? Would they not be NCAA biased???
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
10:23 am
Pretty sure Ramble was being facetious, Jacket Man.
Point out how Tech is dirty, Warcraft. I’m expecting crickets.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
10:25 am
Might want to learn the difference between your and you’re as well, Warcraft. Next time you wonder why we think some UGA fans are idiots, consider that.
politics
July 22nd, 2011
10:38 am
How can we be accused of not cooperating with “the” investigation when the NCAA came to Tech to investigate a completely separate violation?
politics
July 22nd, 2011
10:45 am
We are punished severely, so the NCAA can say that they punished a div 1 school in a major conference while at the same time not pissing off Big 10, SEC or Notre Dame fans. We are punished because we are a smaller and less vocal fan base. The NCAA can point their finger at this penalty and say “See we care about the rules.” They wouldn’t do it to Auburn or Ohio State and it took them 3 years and 24/7 ESPN coverage to come down on USC over Reggie Bush. They reinstate a kid who took a swing at another player DURING A GAME, and vacate a championship over a pair of pants. Yeah, NCAA=Justice.
GT
July 22nd, 2011
11:45 am
I just don’t think Tech is lying. I also don’t think people realize how “un football factory” Tech is. When you take the other schools in the “history being against them”, most “other schools” have a history of this kind of stuff Tech doesn’t. We bailed out of the SEC because we couldn’t compromise our recruiting years ago. Cost us millions. I know very little attention is paid to Tech, mainly because they are dull and run a program the way it is meant to be run. To put them in the mass of every other school in the NCAA shows the real lack of caring what good schools do and bad schools do. The press use to have a moral conscience, now it is what sells newspapers. Tech hires men like “Bud” Peterson and athletic director Dan Ravakovich because they are of the character to handle a tough academic environment like Tech not play nurse mate to a over indulged athletic program. This needs to be appealed so the uninformed like Bradley can see there are higher goals at Tech that are not just hot air. The men that lead Tech are not salesmen they are picked for the very traits that they are accused of not having. In fact I would take their word and interpretation over what I am hearing from the NCAA. It will be so black and white I can’t imagine Tech losing in open court without all this posturing by the NCAA. The NCAA showed up with a silly complaint they couldn’t prove it and they created a situation. The NCAA should be like a good ref. hardly noticed. If you had real information when you showed up this would have been handled differently. You probably drove by five schools getting to us that had much more reason to have a visit from the NCAA. Get real.
Coach Grohbo
July 22nd, 2011
12:04 pm
We won the appeal last time and the NCAA allowed the 1998-2002 wins to stand.
I like our chances.
Get back to World of Warcraft, nerd
July 22nd, 2011
12:09 pm
Point out how Tech is dirty, Warcraft. I’m expecting crickets.
Two major probation’s in ten Years. ( UGA has none over that same period )
Multiple occasions of using ineligible players etc etc etc
Get back to World of Warcraft, nerd
July 22nd, 2011
12:10 pm
Next time you wonder why we think some UGA fans are idiots, consider that.
Its an internet message board not a high school term paper dummy.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
12:41 pm
Says the guy who doesn’t understand the difference between your and you’re or, apparently, its and it’s.
The most recent violation was never proven. The punishment was a product of the fact that the NCAA had its (not it’s, dummy) feelings hurt.
Two violations in ten years doesn’t inherently make a program dirt. Heck, the NCAA intimated that the initial (unproven) violation was likely secondary in nature. How many secondary violations has UGA had THIS YEAR? Does that make them dirty? I don’t happen to think so, but apparently you would.
RambleOn84
July 22nd, 2011
1:01 pm
Lighten up, Francis…I didn’t think anyone could miss the heavy layer of sarcasm in my post, but you proved me wrong. Congratulations!
Get back to World of Warcraft, nerd
July 22nd, 2011
1:58 pm
The most recent violation was never proven.
Yes it was. You got fours years probation for it. 100,000 dollar fine. Loss of ACC Championship
That last one I would have let you keep. After all, what is an ACC championship worth really?
How many secondary violations has UGA had THIS YEAR?
A bunch. But no MAJOR VIOLATIONS LIKE TECH. Secondary violations are things like pocket dialing etc. Not deliberately coaching players answers and obstructing the NCAA like Tech.’
Big Difference. The NCAA knows it. Every other major institution knows it.
Your a Tech apologist so I don’t expect you to see the difference.
George Stein
July 22nd, 2011
2:10 pm
Ok, so you still don’t get the difference between your and you’re. Let me know when you learn that. Until then, I can’t take any of “you’re” comments seriously.
And try reading the report. You might – if you think really hard – find it troubling to your little puppy dogs, too as apparently a major infraction is hurting the NCAA’s feelings.
macrotech
July 22nd, 2011
7:08 pm
superDawg! It’s been a while since I’ve seen you on the boards…guess you finally got all that white-out scraped off your screen! My take on the appeal? I’m thinking…they came snooping around…didn’t find anything that should disqualify a player from playing…didn’t like that their request was idiotic at best (How does an AD ask a coach to bench a starter without ‘reason’ without damaging the important relationship needed in a AD/Coach?)…got frustrated and started throwing their weight around without merit…I’m thinking that an appeal is in order. I don’t think that there are many folk that side with your inane thoughts on the matter…dawg or not.
ps…what the heck is a “ganger”? Hope you have some more of that white-out handy…see you when you get it cleaned back up!!!
Ken Sugiura
July 23rd, 2011
9:20 pm
GTBrad – as I understand it, tech will have 30 days after it notifies the ncaa it wants to appeal to send in a written appeal. the infractions committee has 30 days after that to submit a rebuttal. tech will have 15 days after that to respond to the rebuttal. ncaa enforcement (investigators) will have 10 days after that for its own rebuttal. tech will have 10 days after that to respond to ncaa enforcement’s rebuttal.
i’m not clear if there’s an opportunity for an in-person hearing. i think you have to either go the written appeal route or the in-person hearing route, but i’m not positive.
the appeals committee is made up of five members, four of whom are present or former staff members of member schools or conferences and one non-academic. i think the current group is Christopher L. Griffin, Foley & Lardner LLP, chair; Jack Friedenthal, professor of law at George Washington University; William Hoye, executive vice president for administration, planning and legal affairs at the Institute for the International Education of Students; Patti Ohlendorf, vice president for
legal affairs at University of Texas at Austin; and David Williams, vice chancellor and general counsel at Vanderbilt University.
Since they’re not NCAA staff, you’d like to think they’re not predisposed to favor the NCAA. I asked Michael Buckner that and he said that he felt like the committee asks pointed questions of both the infractions committee and the appellants.
sorry this is so long.
T3 – help me out. what am i missing?
ugagdickweed
July 23rd, 2011
9:23 pm
what is it with you dippstick ugaggers? you KNOW GT didn’t do anything wrong – get jim harrick, jan kemp and red panty-man to explain to you idiots what the word ‘wrong’ means…or better yet, head on over to Athens PD and read the blotter…creeps.