Georgia Tech’s appeal hopes appear dim
Greetings-
For those of you pinning your hopes on a successful appeal by Georgia Tech to the NCAA of its sanctions, I’m going to tell you that it doesn’t look good. I hope to develop this a little more for a story, but at the very least, the numbers are against president G.P. “Bud” Peterson and athletic director Dan Radakovich.
Since the NCAA changed its appeals process in 2008, the appeals committee has heard 13 cases and overturned just one of them. And that’s only the schools that decided to take a crack at an appeal. As of Monday, Tech had not made a decision on an appeal It has until July 28.
The NCAA considers four standards for overturning a decision.
- The ruling by the Committee on Infractions was clearly contrary to the evidence.
- The individual or school did not actually break NCAA rules.
- There was a procedural error that caused the Committee on Infractions to find a violation of NCAA rules.
- The penalty was excessive and is an abuse of discretion.
Most appeals, it appears, try to use the last standard, but it’s become more difficult since the NCAA changed its bylaws in 2008. Previously, an appeal could be won if the appeals committee determined the penalty was inappropriate based on evidence and circumstance. Concluding a penalty is inappropriate is one thing. Finding that the infractions committee was “abusive” in its discretion is something different. (Interesting to note: Tech’s successful appeal in 2005 was reportedly part of the reason why the bylaws changed.)
Another reason is the weight the NCAA gives to cooperation. One report, a denial of a Florida State appeal, cited a precedent that institutional cooperation must be “a significant factor and given substantial weight in determining penalties.”
You might think that taking away an ACC title over $312 worth of clothes is excessive, but that’s not the way the NCAA sees it. It took away the title because of the cooperation violations, which it termed “extremely serious violations” that warranted “stringent penalties.”
It’s possible the appeals committee might see things Georgia Tech’s way regarding its attempt to cooperate, but Radakovich and Peterson both acknowledged they could have done things differently and Radakovich’s decision to tell coach Paul Johnson about the NCAA’s intention to interview Morgan Burnett in defiance of NCAA orders is incontrovertible. (We can debate how fair or wise the order was, but I don’t think the appeals committee will take it into consideration.)
In short – cooperating (in the way that the NCAA wants to be cooperated with) is important, and Georgia Tech didn’t toe the line, and that is not good news for an appeal.
It could be argued that Demaryius Thomas didn’t actually break NCAA rules, which is one of the other standards for appeal. He was hardly definitive about where he got the clothes. However, the appeals committee’s role is not to try the case again, so I don’t think it matters in this situation.
Tech has another strike against it because it’s a repeat violator. It’s another reason that the penalty was as harsh as it was. I’m going to talk shortly with an attorney who led the only successful appeal of an NCAA case since 2008. We’ll see what he has to say.
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P.S. Sorry for the break in the position breakdowns. They’ll resume Wednesday.
Ken Sugiura, AJC
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113 comments Add your comment
Forensicbuzz
July 19th, 2011
11:15 am
Based on what I’ve read, I’d say GT has grounds for three of the four reasons listed.
dawgmatic
July 19th, 2011
11:16 am
Enter your comments here, you cheating NERDS!!!
SavannahJacket
July 19th, 2011
11:27 am
Shouldn’t you be searching for an eligible running back DawgTard.
jwyant
July 19th, 2011
11:32 am
What do we have to lose with an appeal? I think you could argue on all 4 of the criteria.
Saban
July 19th, 2011
11:44 am
Let`s see Boise State 66 DAwgs 0, South Carolina 33 Dawgs 6.
Appeal. The NCAA has no intergrity or brains. They will never catch me.
MC
July 19th, 2011
11:52 am
SavannahJacket
July 19th, 2011
11:27 am
Shouldn’t you be searching for an eligible running back DawgTard.
What UGA has left beats the hell out of any running back GT has on campus.
macrotech
July 19th, 2011
11:52 am
Appeal!!!
macrotech
July 19th, 2011
11:54 am
MC…not a chance! Your top guy is a former RB turned LB turned RB…funny thought, though!
Tech
July 19th, 2011
11:56 am
I doubt that MC but thanks for the laugh
JM
July 19th, 2011
12:21 pm
GT kept this investigation quieter than any NCAA investigation ever. How can the NCAA possibly say that they violated the orders not to discuss this issue with anyone.
Ken Sugiura
July 19th, 2011
12:28 pm
JM – they discussed it with the subject of the investigation. that was enough.
if i had to guess, i’d think they’d appeal for jwyant’s logic – nothing to lose. the only downside, aside from the cost, is that, tech’s probationary period would start after the appeal rather than last week.
gtfanfrom1951
July 19th, 2011
12:31 pm
•The penalty was very excessive.
Hal
July 19th, 2011
12:37 pm
The punisment does not fit the crime period. The NCAA wasted its time to the tune of $100,000. So it got that money back. But in the end what is the only thing you could have done had Tech players been giulty. The exact same thing. It does not make sense and I doubt if the NCAA has any friends at Tech.
TDone
July 19th, 2011
12:46 pm
Let’s see now:
1. From what I understand, the investigator was a UNC grad, who thus had a conflict of interest appearance.
2. From what I understand, Tech apparently asked the NCAA and the ACC if Thomas could play and was not told no.
3. If Tech does not play, what were the players and fans to suspect.
Tech was not given due process. APPEAL TO THE SUPREME COURT IF NEED BE!!!
dawgfan
July 19th, 2011
12:53 pm
1.6: That was the nielsen rating for the 2009 ACC Chumpionship Game. If it were a sitcom (arguably it is), ABC/ESPN would have cancelled it at halftime.
AGTFan53
July 19th, 2011
12:59 pm
It doesn’t matter how righteous the appeal might be, it’s not going to prevail. The NCAA is a dictatorship more interested in protecting it’s power and pocketbook than anything else. It’s a sham. It has a monopoly on Major College Athletics and can get away with anything it wants.
DawginLex
July 19th, 2011
1:02 pm
Tech needs to move on and forget about this.
Your AD didn’t cooperate and was not forthcoming in giving information.
The NCAA blows but you need to put this one in the rear view mirror. It will get it out of the papers and then the coaches and players can concentrate on football.
GT Jason
July 19th, 2011
1:12 pm
Dear Dawg fans,
We understand SEC football is better than ACC football and it’s not even a question: the talent and national championships prove it. That being said, if the SEC was the NFL UGA would be the Detroit Lions. Draft (recruit) tons of good players and never do anything with them. You can ride the whole better conference just as much as we ride on academics but realize when you do you’re pointing out that you’re consistently not a contender in said conference. When we point out academics it’s because credible outside organizations have named us a top school. You guys are using some fantasy world where you didn’t have a losing season last year to say you’re the best. Just know without GT you would have never made a bowl game last year. Enjoy losing to the potato farmers (thats an Idaho joke dawg fans- which is where Boise is)
DawginLex
July 19th, 2011
1:20 pm
Pretty sure the Detroit Lions haven’t won their own division lately yet UGA has-3 times and 2 SEC crowns.
And we will beat Boise
BTW, Detroit has a shot this year because of a former UGA QB
Student Athlete
July 19th, 2011
1:21 pm
Ken,
Is there any president for the players, team, to file suit against the NCAA?
ScurvyKnave
July 19th, 2011
1:33 pm
RAD didn’t play step’n'fetchit for the ncaa and so they dropped a bomb on us. please don’t try to convince me that any other AD wouldn’t go straight to the head coach and give him a heads up. this is just the ncaa playin’ fast and loose with their own rules. you don’t think so??? then tell me how ugag fb players LIVE on the Athens police blotter, and the school has yet to be investigated for SA behavior?
ScurvyKnave
July 19th, 2011
1:37 pm
dawginlex…you can’t SERIOUSLY be talking about fatford?? he’ll be out before the 6th game with another injury. that kid needs a giant roll of duct tape to hold him together. in case you forget, the lions don’t play Vandy or middle tennessee state.
GT Fan...
July 19th, 2011
1:37 pm
Am I understanding this correctly?
1. The NCAA investigates for 20 months, at a cost of $100,000.
2. Comes to conclusion that the 2 players in question were not ineligible.
3. Tells DRAD to tell NOONE they [NCAA] are “interviewing” players.
4. Is so offended that DRAD informed his HC of the “interviews” they take the 2009 ACC trophy plus add 4 years prob.
5. Then, to covers its cost over the prevoius 20 months, the NCAA fines GT $100,000??
Pretty “WOW” I’d say.
A kinda “we wasted 20 months ‘interviewing/investigating’ GT over $312 in clothing and a cell phone…we be damned if we’re going to come away with nothing” attitude. “And while we’re at it, let’s get our $100,000 back … Fine’em $100,000 too!”.
PerimeterCenterJacket
July 19th, 2011
1:40 pm
1/2 correct,DawginLex, Detroit has a shot this year because of that UGA quarterback and his GT receiver – both have developed well after great college careers. Detroit’s not a team so much as two sate of Georgia stars and a defense. At this point they’re like Atlanta’s other NFL team.
@GT Jason
July 19th, 2011
1:42 pm
You are delusional , UGA has 6 top 10 finishes in past 10 years, only LSU with 3 SEC titles leads UGA over the same time frame. 7-3 in bowl games with 3 BCS appearances , your comparison with a team that hasn’t had winning record in years is ignorant at best.Perhaps your envy blinds you to the facts.One losing season doesn’t tarnish whats been accomplished. Compared to Tech 3 top 10 finishes over the past 54 years and zero conference titles since 1990.
Dawg in Columbus
July 19th, 2011
1:44 pm
Dawginlex you’re right about moving on and wrong about boise state.
The ncaa is like the irs, they care far more about their perceived power than about justice. I would challenge Tech and Auburn (If the ncaa can’t investigate in 12 months, then shut up and stop, I don’t want to hear in 2009 that USC didn’t win the 2003 NC) to hire private investigators to investigate the ncaa (or maybe rupert murdoch or mark cuban should do it), the sooner the ncaa is gotten rid of the better for everyone. AJ can’t sell a jersey that belongs to him? Really?
PerimeterCenterJacket
July 19th, 2011
1:46 pm
Student Athlete, are you Kyle Jackson, the inside linebacker who tweeted to Sean Bedford that after lawschool yall would go sue the NCAA together? If so, I disagree with your extremist stance on student athletes being in a system akin to slavery. Ask any student who’s on any other type of scholarship they have to work their tail off for – they’re thankful for free college. Now you guys get to go be on TV, clothes from sponsors, a consistent healthy diet, health benefits and personal trainers, have your name made famous (if you’re good enough) by ESPN and want money ON TOP of that?! I say no. I say you guys maybe should get some cost of living stuff, but not anything like a salary. How many people besides D-1.
If you’re not Kyle Jackson then sorry for the rant, but you’re asking a question raised by him online one time already so I kinda wondered.
And I have no idea if there is “precedent” for SA’s to sue the NCAA.
Ken Sugiura
July 19th, 2011
1:50 pm
student-athlete – i don’t know, but my guess would be that there isn’t a precedent.
i agree with the general tenor of the comments – the NCAA makes the rules, schools have no choice but to follow even if the rules might be a little kooky.
PerimeterCenterJacket
July 19th, 2011
1:53 pm
* That sentence was supposed to be “How many people besides D-1 basketball and football players
would even think to ask for something like that?”
Truth
July 19th, 2011
1:58 pm
Hey doucheinlex, the Lions will have a chance in spite of a uga(y) QB. He has missed more games than he has played. HA! What a bust!
repeat offenders
July 19th, 2011
1:59 pm
Keep telling yourselves it was over $312.00 and your repeat offender status will jump up and bite you again.
tar and feathers party
July 19th, 2011
2:03 pm
Tech should organize an exit from the ncaa by the top 50 – 100 football schools to a new athletic association, free of the cry baby rules and the sissy boy investigators. Make it so…..
Old Blind Dawg
July 19th, 2011
2:09 pm
September can’t get here soon enough. Obama has the entire country split into rabid partisan groups and the NCAA is doing the same thing to college athletics. Ignore them and you will feel much better.
DawginLex
July 19th, 2011
2:18 pm
Stafford’s gonna have a big year because of the defense being a ton better. Calvin has always been good
Get back to World of Warcraft, nerd
July 19th, 2011
2:18 pm
That being said, if the SEC was the NFL UGA would be the Detroit Lions. Draft (recruit) tons of good players and never do anything with them.
Wrong.
All time SEC Chamionships
Alabama 22
Tenn 13
UGA 12
LSU 10
FLA 8
AUB 7
UGA won 90 games last decade in the SEC. 2nd only to LSU (91)
UGA is one of the “elite” program in the SEC
Someone with a brain
July 19th, 2011
2:22 pm
The NCAA’s request was illogical and impossible. (1) PJ has had no history of NCAA violations in 32 years. There was no reason to suspect he would cover up evidence, (2) there is no evidence that GT hindered the investigation. The NCAA should just come out and say, “We told them not to tell the coach. They told the coach. Therefore, our penalties are what they are.”
The NCAA has no evidence of the issue at hand: Whether GT hindered the investigation? If they had evidence we encouraged our players to lie or covered up evidence, then their punishment wasn’t tough enough.
Student Athlete
July 19th, 2011
2:28 pm
Not Kyle,
hope you feel better after the rant.
Get back to World of Warcraft, nerd
July 19th, 2011
2:28 pm
PJ has had no history of NCAA violations in 32 years
He does now
A statistical fact
July 19th, 2011
3:13 pm
CPJ after three full years has nothing to show for it. Yes, his Wishbone O churns up tons and tons and tons and tons and tons ( did I say tons?) of useless yards.
He has never won a bowl at GT and he is 1-2 vs possibly an outgoing UGA HC.
UGA has been well below their usual 9 or 10 game season ( based on past 12-14 years) and CPJ has done nothing. No wimpy ACC title or nothing. Goose eggs!!
Another hard fact ………….. over the last 43 or 44 or 45 years, GT has hired a new football coah about every +/-5 years. List the coaches names and do the math. Wow! They have had Dodd, Fulmer, Carson, Rogers, Curry, Ross, O’Leary and his phony resume (and now we know were he learned to cheat) and Bill Lewis and CPJ and such. Wow!! I am sure that I ham leaving two more coaches off of this GT coaching wall of shame.
CPJ is next to go after this season unless GT can muster a 5 or 6 win season ………their 40+ year average. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
vicki
July 19th, 2011
3:15 pm
The NCAA is mad because Georgia Tech didn’t shake with fear – most colleges dont, but they do expect it from smaller schools. ESPN immediately stated, “if Tech gets this punishment – what will Ohio get?” Probably nothing, as one of the NCAA officials is probably a Ohio fan. It is evident that the NCAA picks and chooses who they wish to penalize. No one respects the NCAA and who really cares what they come up with???
DAWG time
July 19th, 2011
3:17 pm
GT, you can’t win with a group like the NCAA. It seems the punishment depends on whether they need to make a point or not. Why else did they not make a big deal out of the Cam Newton situation when it seems much more disturbing than what Tech did. It certainly seems they are out to get some schools and other schools get a pass. It was hard to take last season with the AJ Green situation when it seemed there were bigger fish to fry. You don’t deserve this punishment but it’s best to move on.
Markos
July 19th, 2011
3:21 pm
As a Tech fan, I agree with the NCAA’s ruling and punishments – except for the removal of the ACC championship. If we go into the appeal process and only look for restitution of the championship, then we should have a strong case. Based on the criteria above:
The ruling by the Committee on Infractions was clearly contrary to the evidence:
-DT was not ineligible, hence wins should not have to be vacated.
The individual or school did not actually break NCAA rules:
-DT was given clothes by his cousin. That is not a violation of rules.
There was a procedural error that caused the Committee on Infractions to find a violation of NCAA rules.
-We asked the NCAA if DT was eligible. They said yes. So now they rule he wasn’t?
The penalty was excessive and is an abuse of discretion.
-Only in the case of the championship.
Robert
July 19th, 2011
3:24 pm
Dawgmatic,
I’d like to enter my fist into you snout! By the way, do you work at the tattoo parlor near the Varsity?
Vince Lombardi
July 19th, 2011
3:38 pm
Tech gets slapped with major football violations all because a 29 year old UNC preppy lawyer punk got his feelings hurt; no rules were broken (football).
T3
July 19th, 2011
3:45 pm
OK, here’s a refresher course put all this in PROPER perspective.
Here’s what ESPN wrote on Friday, December 3, 2010, the day before the SEC Championship:
“Auburn quarterback Cam Newton is eligible to play in the SEC title game this weekend,
though the NCAA says his father broke rules by shopping his son to another school.”
“The NCAA released its finding in a statement on Wednesday, December 1, 2010. The college sports governing body had concluded on Monday, November 29, 2010 that a violation of Newton’s amateur status had occurred. Auburn declared Newton ineligible Tuesday and requested his eligibility be reinstated.”
“Newton has been cleared by the NCAA to compete without conditions.”
“Based on the information available to the reinstatement staff at this time, we do not have sufficient evidence that Cam Newton or anyone from Auburn was aware of this activity, which led to his reinstatement,” said Kevin Lennon, NCAA vice president for academic and membership affairs. “From a student-athlete reinstatement perspective, Auburn University met its obligation. … Under this threshold, the student-athlete has not participated while ineligible.”
OK. Here it is:
NCAA made it CLEAR they had CONFIRMED AND DOCUMENTED PROOF that a
MAJOR MAJOR……….MAJOR violation had occurred involving an estimated $180,000 in a
BLATANT pay-for-play set-up.
The NCAA was ABSOLUTELY CLEAR that Cam Newton had violated his Amateur status
and was not an eligibe NCAA player. Auburn declared Newton ineligible.
And yet, the NCAA cleared Cam Newton…..in less than 24 hours…..to play in the SEC Championship Game and a likely future BCS Bowl game.
So now the NCAA has seen fit to slap probation on GT, for a “supposed offense”
without ANY DOCUMENTED PROOF and much circumstantial evidence
over WHO gave WHAT. And yet, the NCAA is angered by GT lack of cooperation??
So again, the NCAA…..HAD CONFIRMED PROOF OF A MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR violation, and yet because the Auburn staff appeared “cooperative” by declaring Newton ineligible, the NCAA was kind enough to turn around and in LESS THAN 24 HOURS, and reinstates Newton.
And here, we have a $312 “issue”…..for which the NCAA has produced…..NO DOCUMENTED PROOF WHATSOEVER, and yet supposedly because the NCAA didnt think GT was (ahem) “cooperative” (aka kissing the NCAA’s azz) the NCAA slaps on 4 years of probation, $100,000 fine, and strips the ACC title.
This simple comparison between the cases of Cam Newton and GT prove beyond a
shadow of a doubt the DUPLICITY, STUPIDITY, and DISCIMINATORY PRACTICE and ENFORCEMENT by the NCAA.
So, here it the dubious standard that the NCAA has established:
1. Commit a DOCUMENTED MAJOR offense and appear “cooperative”
Result: PROBLEM CLEARED.
2. Supposedly commit an UNPROVEN, MINOR offense and appear “uncooperative”
Result: PROBATION, VACATED TITLE, $100,000 FINE.
And yet, the AJC, ESPN, CBS Sports, etc. have seen fit to wantonly ripped GT
without ANY consideration, comparison or review of these RECENT
AND BLATANTLY INCONSISTENT actions by the NCAA.
I hope CPJ punches the NCAA guy in the face.
Old Blind Dawg
July 19th, 2011
3:47 pm
NCAA = Big $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ for a select few.
Supersize that order, mutt
July 19th, 2011
3:57 pm
@Get back to World of Warcraft, nerd, it might interest you to know that prior to Tech’s leaving the SEC, the Jackets had 5 SEC championships to THUGa’s 4. There is no way of knowing how Tech might have fared over the past 40+ years had we remained in the SEC, but I would certainly think the level of coaching and of results would have been higher than it unfortunately has been. And I am sure we would have been more competitive against the mutts than we have been. That is 20-20 hindsight and totally worthless assuming, I know, but it makes as much sense as most of the claims being made in here by those ignorant mutts who continue to say the same things over and over. Apologies to the classy dawgs who rise above the rivalry to post intelligent comments.
Vince Lombardi
July 19th, 2011
3:58 pm
[NCAA investigator] Marvin Wilson needs a pacifier.
Go Jackets
July 19th, 2011
4:02 pm
What is truly amazing is that this is the most minor of infractions. UGA people that think that their house is clean probably need to check out the parking lot at the practice facility. There’s likely lots of new cars with chrome and big wheels. In UGA’s program, where multiple players get arrested every year, and where the coach purposefully breaks rules by lining recruits up in mock game situations while wearing a jersey, there is bound to be major transgressions. To UGA and pretty much everyone else in the SEC and ACC, you better hope that the NCAA does not knock on your door. The NCAA is like the Feds, if they want to put you in jail, they will come up with a reason to.
wreckbuzz
July 19th, 2011
4:09 pm
I think they have a case on appeal. Here’s why:
Dan Radakovich cited previous experience with investigators as one reason he did not feel compelled to keep the investigation from Head Coach Paul Johnson. He said that in previous instances that standard (keeping the investigation a secret) was up to the investigator’s discretion.
So to me it sounds like GT is only in violation of the cooperation statute in the sense that this particular investigator decided he wanted the investigation kept a secret. It sounds like the NCAA has some inconsistencies in their process, leaving discretion up to investigators in areas that can lead to violations. The NCAA needs to take away that discretion and make it a rule if that’s how they want these investigations to be conducted, especially if they plan to penalize member institutions for violating it.
juvenal
July 19th, 2011
4:09 pm
Ken, i have asked Mark, Jeff, Doug, Heather, & now you-is this not excessive since osu got no penalty for playing dez before was declared ineligible(would think the dauugs would love for something to happen to the cowboys)?
Bernie Madoff
July 19th, 2011
4:22 pm
“It could be argued that Demaryius Thomas didn’t actually break NCAA rules, which is one of the other standards for appeal. He was hardly definitive about where he got the clothes. However, the appeals committee’s role is not to try the case again, so I don’t think it matters in this situation.”
“The ruling by the Committee on Infractions was clearly contrary to the evidence.
The individual or school did not actually break NCAA rules.”
How the hell can one of the basis for appeal be the latter quote if the appeals committee can not take it into consideration?
Footballrules
July 19th, 2011
4:24 pm
Going before the NCAA Appeals Committee is probably a lot like going before Judge Roland Freisler’s “People’s Court” in Berlin, around 1943, if you were a Communist of the Jewish faith.
Jacketfan
July 19th, 2011
4:34 pm
First of all, when DRad spoke to Johnson, when Johnson spoke with Morgan Burnett, and when they all interviewed Morgan Burnett, GT did not break any NCAA rules. They broke an absurd and unprecedented request from an inventigator. There is no rule that says that Tech cannot complete its own inventigation, conduct its own interviews or tell persons responsible for the program of a potential violation.
Second, the NCAA has never vacated a win for not following (requested, but undocumented) procedures in an investigation. The NCAA never stated Thomas was ineligible for the ACCC, but rather GT should have followed some absurd procedure to not inform the head coach, not investigate the claim, and to rule Thomas ineligible when Tech’s investigation led them to believe he was not. Tech even requested guidance from the NCAA, who told GT that there was no evidence of ineligibility.
So, the lesson is when informed of a potential violation, do not investigate, do not speak with the coach or players, rule players ineligible even if the evidence states otherwise, but only do this if the investigator asks you. Otherwise, you will get punished for not investigating the matter.
Ken Sugiura
July 19th, 2011
4:50 pm
juvenal – i don’t know enough about what happened with dez bryant to comment. but i think that this has a lot more to do with what happened after the alleged violation than the violation itself, so it makes the actual violations and ensuing penalties hard to compare.
bernie – where is the second quote from? if it’s yours, i think you could make an argument that tech broke rules regarding the cooperative principle (sorry to use ncaa-speak) by meeting with burnett when they were told not to. there is nothing wrong with conducting your own investigation, unless the ncaa says you can’t. again, you don’t have to like or agree with it, but part of being an ncaa member is cooperating with the ncaa in the way that they wanted to be cooperated with.
also, it’s worth pointing out that radakovich acknowledged he could have and probably should have just asked the investigator for permission to tell johnson.
jacketfan – i don’t think the request was “unprecedented.” its absurdity is up for debate.
The Anti-BuzzDraft
July 19th, 2011
5:01 pm
Ken, can you tell us why O’Connor and Zaharis are not mentioned in Tech’s proposed self-imposed penalties? Something is not right with this. O’Connor and Zaharis seem to be getting some help from DRad here.
juvenal
July 19th, 2011
5:02 pm
Ken, it was at the same time, if this was a real legal system it would be called precedent, but it is a voluntary private organization- i wish the bcs would just leave & start their own organization, it would serve them right……(osu got NO penalty for a player being investgated that was declared ineligible, they had played & won several games!)
Ken Sugiura
July 19th, 2011
5:10 pm
they do consider precedent, but i’m just saying that tech’s reaction after the investigation may make the cases different, as that’s what got them into trouble. if tech had jumped as high as the ncaa had asked and then they still had the title vacated, then, i think maybe the precedent might apply more closely. again, i don’t know what happened with osu.
RocketCityJacket
July 19th, 2011
5:16 pm
NCAA —> Nitwits Controlling Amateur Athletics
‘Nuff Said!
Paddy
July 19th, 2011
5:17 pm
Get back to the World……..CPJ has absolutly no involvement in this NCAA investigation.Dragging him into this is the twisting of facts by you. It has no basis in fact.
roughrider
July 19th, 2011
5:37 pm
I would appeal if I were truly innocent.
The Anti-BuzzDraft
July 19th, 2011
5:40 pm
Ken, did you miss my question about O’Connor and Zaharis?
juvenal
July 19th, 2011
5:51 pm
anybody know if dez was held out? no stats for ‘09 on the osu site-if dez was held out, drad made a mistake……..(SEE Doug’s new post)
Wrecked Ramblin
July 19th, 2011
5:59 pm
The NCAA is picking on me WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAa
Do What?
July 19th, 2011
5:59 pm
Ken – have you retired your GT cheerleader skirt and pom poms? Wondering if you’ve learned how to file an Open Records Request. The term ‘caught with your britches down’ certainly applies to you and the AJC staff. The NCAA investigating GT and you guys didn’t have a clue? How many times did I post asking if you had filed a request? In the future you may want to do some work rather than simply attending pressers and publishing releases from GT SID.
WhenUSayBud
July 19th, 2011
6:00 pm
coach and a lot of our fans sound like an SEC school. stop whining and get on with it. and I’m sure some UNC grad is out to get us – they don’t really care that much about us
Wrecked Ramblin
July 19th, 2011
6:03 pm
LSU committed major violations while recruiting a junior college football player, the NCAA ruled Tuesday. The governing body also placed the school on probation for a year and cited a former assistant coach for unethical conduct………………. That’s it?
Wrecked Ramblin
July 19th, 2011
6:07 pm
NCAA Committee on Infractions chairman Dennis Thomas said LSU’s violations were considered ”major.” He stressed that punishment could have been more severe if not for the efforts of LSU’s compliance department.
Wrecked Ramblin
July 19th, 2011
6:09 pm
”A situation that could have been much worse was made better by the dedicated work of the LSU athletics compliance staff and I am pleased that the NCAA recognized LSU’s effort to cooperate and be proactive,” Martin said. ”The compliance staff … made an exemplary showing of how a university should react when mistakes are made.”
Chris
July 19th, 2011
6:19 pm
Boo hoo no more 2009 ACC Championship. Get over it. Wikipedia under ACC Football championships has alread made the change. Greensboro is waiting for the trophy. Tech will never again be recognized as the 2009 ACC Champion. There is no 2009 ACC Champion. It has been vacated. And Tech had cheated this way already before if you read the history. They did the same thing before with 17 players and got into some trouble for cheating. How Tech can say anything about the SEC, UNC, Auburn or anybody is a mystery to me.
Easy, nerds
July 19th, 2011
6:31 pm
If someone could build a car than runs on nerd tears, we could end our dependence on foreign oil.
George P.
July 19th, 2011
6:37 pm
Ken — is there any running count on how many people Radakovich told after he was told not to tell anyone? From the report, there’s Johnson, Griffin, Nordin (not to mention Johnson of course telling Burnett). Any others? If you go down Tech’s list of people with AD in their title, probably a 50-50 chance he told any particular one of them.
beachdog
July 19th, 2011
6:46 pm
9-1….
superDawg
July 19th, 2011
6:46 pm
Appeal macriod I would love to get a second laugh when I stop laughing at the first one.tuck fech!
juvenal
July 19th, 2011
6:52 pm
wr, so lsu kissed nzaa azz? they can stick the trophy where it needs to go next, with Sean’s help………current nobel peace prize winner orders bombs to be dropped in at least 6 countries we are not evn officially at war with……..
juvenal
July 19th, 2011
6:53 pm
easy, if anybody builds a car like that, it will be nerds……….
juvenal
July 19th, 2011
6:54 pm
supradauug….gth…..
Supersize that order, mutt
July 19th, 2011
7:13 pm
Imagine, if you will, the following scenario: Setting CPJ’s office, November, 2009 –
DRAD: Paul, BayBay and Derrick will not be able to play next week.
CPJ: Oh? Why is that? What happened?
DRAD: Paul, I can’t tell you. Just accept the fact that they can’t play.
CPJ: But are they sick, or has there been a death in their families?
DRAD: Paul, I can’t tell you. Just accept the fact that they can’t play.
CPJ: So they don’t even know about it yet, and I’m supposed to tell them.
DRAD: No, you can’t tell them. Just accept the fact that they can’t play.
CPJ: But what am I supposed to say to them?
DRAD: Paul, you can’t tell them anything. They and you just need to accept the fact that they can’t play
I guess this is what would have made the NCAA goon-squad happy. GIVE ME A BREAK !!!!
YellowJacket
July 19th, 2011
7:16 pm
I don’t really care what the NCAA thinks. The organization is riddled with hypocrisy and low testosterone levels. They’re taking our trophy. Whoopity do. The winner here is Georgia Tech and Paul Johnson. When you say Budweiser… to hell with the NCAA.
Bring it Chumps.
Alabama Jack
July 19th, 2011
7:19 pm
Can’t we keep dawg crap of this blog?
YellowJacket
July 19th, 2011
7:20 pm
It’s hard to keep a dawg from crapping. That’s pretty much what they do. Keeps the grass green though.
Alabama Jack
July 19th, 2011
7:20 pm
I know it should be off, not of – but I needed the other f to tell a jawga employee what to ucking do.
GT
July 19th, 2011
7:21 pm
I see this as a civil suit. There should be a reasonable expectation from the NCAA of its members. This is confusing to really educated men and the intent was not to harm or gain an advantage by Tech in any organized manner. The purpose of the NCAA needs to be examined by the courts. Much of this needs to be made public and the only fair and equal handed way to do that is in a court of law where all parties are equal.
Supersize that order, mutt
July 19th, 2011
7:22 pm
Interesting that LSU got slapped on the wrist with a one-year probation for what the NCAA openly referred to as a MAJOR violation. And that’s called justice ???
dawgfan
July 19th, 2011
7:30 pm
“Ken – have you retired your GT cheerleader skirt and pom poms? Wondering if you’ve learned how to file an Open Records Request. The term ‘caught with your britches down’ certainly applies to you and the AJC staff. The NCAA investigating GT and you guys didn’t have a clue? How many times did I post asking if you had filed a request? In the future you may want to do some work rather than simply attending pressers and publishing releases from GT SID.”
Ding!!! Ding!!! Ding!!! We have a winner Johnny!!! The AJC files open records requests with UGA as a matter of course, but somehow this NCAA thing with Tech flies under the radar until it blows up ALMOST TWO YEARS later. Meanwhile, if Mark Richt farts in public its frontpage news and Schultz has written two columns about it before his second cup of coffee.
One should not be surprised that the AJC kowtows to hyper-sensitive mamma’s boy Tech fans. If they don’t walk on eggshells around these prima donnas they probably get flooded with spiteful crybaby emails at how evil they are for not thinking The Institute is the greatest thing on earth. Look at how these clowns are handling this NCAA business, like a bunch of putzes. Tech fans cannot handle adversity with any kind of class. Trust me, if anybody should know its UGA fans.
Thanks.
Supersize that order, mutt
July 19th, 2011
7:34 pm
dawgfan, so the comments like that one and the majority of the ones that have been posted on here just today you think show class, huh? Leave the c and the l off, and you have an adequate name for most of you mutts. There have been plenty of Georgia fans on these blogs who totally support Tech’s cause; THEY have class. You are one of the ones with no class at all
JacketNation
July 19th, 2011
7:52 pm
Mutts…what’s the saying…”those without sin cast the first stone!” My count says UGAG has no more stones to throw! Talk about repeat offenders, need to change your uniforms to prison uni’s. That way all your players will feel right at home!
Supersize that order, mutt
July 19th, 2011
7:55 pm
JacketNation, where there is a Jan Kemp and a Jim Harrick, you can be sure there are others doing far worse things. The hammer will hit them again one of these days. At least Tech’s supposed infractions were nothing like the crap that Jan Kemp uncovered and Jim Harrick tried to pull off.
Supersize that order, mutt
July 19th, 2011
8:05 pm
Actually, I guess that sounded like Jan Kemp had done illegal things. She was the one who uncovered what was going on. Boy, do you remember the outcry among the THUGa faithful about that? They would have stoned her or burned her at the stake if they could have.
dawgfan's lover
July 19th, 2011
8:35 pm
I LOVE my wittle ‘dawgfan’ … he is so cute and honorable and full of sound logic and reason. The LAST thing he would do is spew out senseless rants based solely on GT hatred and envy.
dawgfan
July 19th, 2011
8:42 pm
Go dig up some columns on AJ Green getting suspended for 4 games and then come on here and lecture me about class. You Techies run your fat mouths if a UGA football player gets a speeding ticket. Your stupidity and hypocrisy shocks the conscience. So some UGA fans are in your corner, eh? Good for them. Too bad I’m not one of them.
The Anti-BuzzDraft
July 19th, 2011
9:44 pm
Ken, have you been giving a gag order in regards to the O’Connor – Zaharis cover-up? 5 coaches on the Bball staff and only 3 are targeted. No mention of O’Connor and Zaharis who were with Hewitt for many years. Trust me these two gave tickets to former players and coaches involved with AAU programs. Why didn’t DRad admonish them?
Big Ten Champs Nebraska
July 19th, 2011
9:44 pm
Next time, don’t get caught.
NERDS!!! 9-1!!! $312!!!
July 19th, 2011
10:11 pm
Easy, nerds: Now that’s funny! I don’t care who you are!
Harris
July 19th, 2011
10:41 pm
Def abusive and excessive.
Ken Sugiura
July 19th, 2011
11:10 pm
Anti-Buzz – sorry i didn’t get to your question. i don’t know the answer. i’ll try to find out.
Do What – it’s coming. don’t worry. thanks for the encouragement.
Truth
July 19th, 2011
11:30 pm
If an AU backer would have paid $180,000.00 for Cam to play at AU, how much do you think he would have paid the NCAA to let him play in the championship game(s)?
The Anti-BuzzDraft
July 19th, 2011
11:52 pm
Thanks Ken.
don't get it
July 20th, 2011
12:17 am
I do not get you AJC writers. I really don’t. You say it is bleak to appeal because of previous schools that have tried it. That is because they all really cheated. GT didn’t. They should appeal on all four counts. If DRAD doesn’t it would be the worst and saddest decision he could make. Noone and no school should take some kind of shame they didn’t cause or do.
The fact that your fellow AJC writers initially wrote how GT is the cheating culprits and now they are seeing that they are not, why didn’t any of you look into the charges and the facts in the first place? Then just assume the NCAA must be correct.
I honestly find it difficult to believe this is the best the AJC can do. Shame on all of you.
don't get it
July 20th, 2011
1:09 am
you heard the saying MAN UP, now hear this, SPORTSWRITER UP, geez AJC Sports do your jobs, get off your collective backsides and do some investigating
GT should appeal
Jackets4ever
July 20th, 2011
1:59 am
Well lets see, if Tech had put the ole NCAA investigators up in the Ritz and wined and dined them, them it appears all would be forgiven. Shame on the NCAA. How about some invetigative reporting AJC .When the investigative hearing was held on the coast did any family members travel with them, you know a little vacation while working as a perk paid forby the NCAA member. Hell, no wonder tickets keep going up.
Buzz 2011
July 20th, 2011
5:10 am
GT 2009 ACC CHAMPS Forever Dogs……..Don’t you love it leg humping thugs………….
JB
July 20th, 2011
7:41 am
Send Johnson to speak on behalf of Tech….LOL
Professor
July 20th, 2011
8:40 am
Tech cheats
RambleOn84
July 20th, 2011
8:48 am
To all the people saying Tech should have reported…
How exactly were they supposed to know something happened? Should they take note every time a player is wearing a different shirt and require them to present a receipt for it?
Even if Tech had this stance, it wouldn’t have worked…Thomas never wore the clothes outside of the shoes.
But I’m sure St. Mark Richt does this with his players…he runs such a tight ship up in Athens, right?
Can't spell cheat without T-E-C-H!!!
July 20th, 2011
8:56 am
Of course they are dim, because they CHEATED!!! LOL!!! Second time in less than 10 years to be forced to vacate wins. Hands down the dirtiest program in the nation!! Hilarious!!!
GT87
July 20th, 2011
9:21 am
Throughout the history of GT and UGA football, when both schools are in the same conference, GT has more conference titles than UGA. Fact. Look it up.
4 jacks
July 20th, 2011
10:33 am
The NCAA investigator is a Tar Hole…enough said…watch NC get off with a true slap on the wrist when they should be buried for theie black santa and all their wrong doings
Tom Shane
July 20th, 2011
10:52 am
@Can’t spell cheat without T-E-C-H!!!
I didn’t know they allowed internet access in Jail
NativeNole
July 20th, 2011
4:31 pm
I read the NCAA report, I suggest you take some time to do it.I could not belive the English spoken by the players starting on pg 3, it read like an interview of street people, I would have thought GT would have students who could talk, I really think less of the total university than I did in the past, something is wrong here, these guys will never graduate with a 2.0
BYRDDAWG
July 20th, 2011
10:15 pm
Appeal appears dim because you have a dim wit AD that could’ve fired PHewitt with these NCAA troubles instead of paying him 7+ to leave!!!! just sayin……
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The Truth
July 23rd, 2011
3:35 pm
GA Tech = “Repeat Violator U.”
GA Tech Lies & Cheats & Everyone knows it. Everyone!!!!!!!