Comparing Allen to Dwyer

Some of you have suggested that Anthony Allen be moved back to A-back, where you thought he was more effective last season.

Well, not so fast my friends.

Through eight games last season, former B-back Jonathan Dwyer had 718 yards and 5 touchdowns. Dwyer had seven plays of at least 20 yards.

Through eight games this season, new B-back Allen has 692 yards and 5 touchdowns. Allen has nine plays of at least 20 yards.

Kind of spooky, isn’t it?

Now, the biggest difference between those stats is that Dwyer’s included games against Miami and Virginia Tech. Georgia Tech will play in Blacksburg on Nov. 4 and will host Miami the following Saturday.

But they are very familiar. The good news, as Tech’s fans remember, is that Dwyer really got going in the season’s last six games, posting 677 yards.

The question is can Allen do something similar?

A look at the first eight games of the 2008 and 2009 seasons:

Game Dwyer TDs Game Allen TDs
JSU 95 2 SCSU 28 0
Clemson 66 0 Kansas 89 0
Miami 7 0 UNC 115 0
UNC 158 0 NCSU 35 0
MSU 83 1 Wake 63 0
FSU 102 2 Virginia 195 3
VT 82 0 MTSU 75 2
UVA 125 0 Clemson 92 0
Total 718 5 Total 692 5
Carries 114 Carries 116
Average 6.30 Average 5.97
Plays >20 7 Plays >20 9

56 comments Add your comment

lanier

November 1st, 2010
5:10 am

makes me wonder if the opponent DCs have really figured out our offence. from the record it appeared they had, maybe not

gtyj2

November 1st, 2010
5:30 am

they havent figured us out but we arent blocking which is why we arent seein the W’s

brent cunningham

November 1st, 2010
6:18 am

Put me in at A back and I will show them a thing or two. I think its blocking assignments more than blocking. They seem to be lost in the x’s and o’s. One goes one way and the others go another etc..

GT, Sr.

November 1st, 2010
6:31 am

This extra week will work wonders. It is assignments and with the defense playing poorly more pressure to produce. Seems to me Johnson surely has seen this kind of defense before. It is not rocket science to bring the defensive ends into a containment position and stacking the linebackers up the middle. He just needs a little help from the defense which he may be getting more of every week. He needs to keep the offense on the field longer too. He knows all this and a lot more. Next week should be interesting.

Al Groh

November 1st, 2010
6:57 am

Dougie boy. BAHAHAHA!!!!

Old Gold

November 1st, 2010
7:07 am

Johnson’s playing calling has been terrible this year!

ss

November 1st, 2010
7:20 am

old gold,

I know the coaching gets blamed when the team isnt playing well, but maybe the o-line cant block anyone

Munson's Toupee

November 1st, 2010
7:28 am

Just beat Georgia!

Dave from GT

November 1st, 2010
7:43 am

Hey doe doe bird, it is the blast play that is not working. The interiior O like keeps screwing up.

Also, the key diff betwwn Dwyer and Hill is Demarius Thomas…… He is not there making circus catches for TDs and big plays.

If that is not replaced, VT will win out.

Oh….. the flex defense leaves opponents on field too long, has zero pass rush, and settles for field goals. Kinda like Chan, only on defense.

BTW, GT will still beat UGA despite al the blemishes.

reebok

November 1st, 2010
8:00 am

nothing’s wrong with the schemes, we are just not executing. tennessee stinks this year, but that doesn’t mean the other coaches have ‘figured out’ how to stop a pro-style offense.

michael

November 1st, 2010
8:02 am

we’re just not as good overall this year. can sims pass to j.n.? keep roddy on the field. keep hill off the field. ask cooper to come back and play wide receiver. put the best athletes on special teams. WE GOTTA SHORE-UP MAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NYJacket

November 1st, 2010
8:04 am

For all you guys complaining about our OL blocking or not blocking, how about our receivers who haven’t been able to develop soft hands and catch some balls that hit them in the chest?

Chuck Allison

November 1st, 2010
8:29 am

We don’t need to keep blaming our OL or our receivers. Our QB just cannot pass the ball. It is no secret. Nesbitt should be an A-back and we should employ a QB so we would have a passing option. When Nesbitt leaves, we are going to have to start all over teaching the passing game.

GT Sambo

November 1st, 2010
8:33 am

Chuck Allison,
We figured out last year that our QB wasn’t accurate. That’s no surprise. Right now he looks poor due to numerous drops from his receivers. If the receivers catch the ball, Nesbitt looks like an adequate thrower, which is all we need in this offense.

SRF

November 1st, 2010
8:38 am

Anybody else notice that all of our “big” losses of the NFL have been total busts ? The only one that is not hurt is Dwyer and that is only because he is so far down the depth chart that he cannot even see the field.

RambleOn84

November 1st, 2010
8:42 am

Though I like Allen and I liked Dwyer, neither is a true B-back. Both are more like tailbacks in a pro offense. They can both gain some yards when they break through the line, but when you watch a Paul Johnson offense you realize the B-back is not really the gamebreaker.

The B-back should be able to get 3-4 yards consistently and occasionally break a 20-30 yard run.

Likewise, I love Nesbitt but he is not a typical option QB. We will never get another short-yardage QB like him, but hopefully that role can be taken over by a true B-back. The QBs in the future will be faster and shiftier, capable of breaking long runs.

Hopefully our future QBs can also throw (and our WRs can catch).

What I’m getting at is the offense will look mighty different next year, and I think that’s a good thing.

I will always have a special place in my heart for Nesbitt for all the great plays he has made, especially he was not recruited for this offense in the first place.

But I think the offense will run more smoothly when we have a faster QB and bigger short-yardage-type B-back.

If the O-line play improves as it should, next year the offense should be running more smoothly.

We just need to cut down on the mistakes and we can still salvage this season. But we will see how badly the guys want to do that this Thursday.

Through thick and thin, GO JACKETS!

GT Sambo

November 1st, 2010
8:43 am

Instead of moving him to A-back, CPJ should just scheme to get him some plays to run outside the tackles. They did it a couple of games ago, and he broke a couple of tackles and ran for 50 yards.

RambleOn84

November 1st, 2010
8:44 am

Guys can’t help it if they’re injured, SRF…you should know, as your boy Matt Stafford is almost always injured. Doesn’t mean he’s a bust.

gtne80

November 1st, 2010
8:50 am

RambleOn – “I will always have a special place in my heart for Nesbitt for all the great plays he has made, especially he was not recruited for this offense in the first place.”

I wholeheartedly agree with your sentiment toward Nesbitt. He has been a warrior and has, on many occasions, taken the team on his back and willed them to a win. However, the point about not being recruited for this offense (which I’ve read on numerous occasions) puzzles me. If not this offense, was he recruited as a passer? His passing is poor (mediocre at best). Do you think Gailey intended to move him to another position?

Hal

November 1st, 2010
8:51 am

I think loosing two experienced eligible offensive linemen to GSU is just as big a problem as loosing players to the NFL. How many examples have you ever heard of where players who have graduated from a major school went to another school with a lesser program to finish their eligibility? I didn’t see UGA players with eligibilty lining up to go to GSU to help them start their program. Why weren’t thay talked into staying when they were obviously needed. You hear players graduating early all the time but they stay with there teams. Why would they transfer if they were still interested in playing football?

RambleOn84

November 1st, 2010
8:55 am

Considering Gailey started Reggie Ball for four years, I’m not sure any one of us could presume to understand what went through his head when it came to quarterbacks.

I do think people are too hard on Nesbitt’s passing. Like you said, he had never run the option before he came here and he didn’t get a redshirt year to learn it.

He was probably doing nothing but reads, meshes, and pitches, all day everyday since Johnson got here. He didn’t get much time to work on passing.

And for all people say about his bad passing, at least he doesn’t throw a ton of picks. He throws the ball away when he needs to for the most part. He has about 2-3 passes a game where you think, “How could he be that far off?” But a lot of the incompletions are drops, and his O-line has had him fighting for his life on nearly every play as well.

Now that Johnson has some guys that already have experience in similar offenses (and will have had at least one or two years sitting behind Nessbitt to learn the offense, I expect the passing game to be smoother.

We still need the O-line to block and better and the WRs to do a better job, however.

SRF

November 1st, 2010
8:57 am

Whoa- do not call Stafford my boy – I am not nor never will be an UGA fan.

As far as injuries – I am just saying it is odd – makes you wonder about conditioning and training.

RambleOn84

November 1st, 2010
8:57 am

Hal,
I know one of the guys (though I don’t remember which) wanted to get his master’s in a program not offered at Tech. The other guy, if I remember correctly, applied to stay at tech, but did not make it in the program.

Most schools will rubber-stamp a guy into graduate school to continue their playing career; for better or worse, Tech is much more serious about its academics (particularly graduate school).

Texas Wreck

November 1st, 2010
9:29 am

BAHAHAHAHAH is the sound of a braying Jackass from UGA. Perhaps he would serve a better purpose on their blogs trying to restart the Dogs season.

Brunswick Tech

November 1st, 2010
9:37 am

I agree GT Sambo…..catch the balls thats thrown their way….that would help tons…

macrotech

November 1st, 2010
9:48 am

Ahhhhhh…do you hear that?! Not a pup around! Tis a beautiful thing…I LOVE how they stay in their dog houses after they lose! Perimeter blocking has been our breakdown this season. Hill needs to be benched. He blocks as well as he catches the ball; he can’t do either!

gtne80

November 1st, 2010
9:52 am

Did anyone notice Duke’s win over Navy? I was counting Duke as our remaining win to get us bowl eligible. Now…not so sure. Their QB looked good picking apart the Navy D and sustaining drives with short passes especially in the first half. Kept Dobbs and the Navy offense on the sidelines and out of sync.

Thursday will be ugly. Harris’ injury makes the Miami game a little more interesting. We’ll have to wait and see how well he snaps back.

The UGA game will also be interesting. How will the Dawg-Nation and the team respond to being 5-6 and coming off a thrashing at the hands of Auburn? Will they implode? They will need the win to be eligible for a low-tiered bowl game. The key to beating UGA this year (as it was last year) is to take advantage of their vulnerability to turnovers (witness the Florida game). When they keep the ball, they can run up the score (UT, Vandy). The key to turnovers is a hard-hitting, aggressive, high-pressure defense. Unfortunately, none of those adjectives fits Groh’s scheme.

My sense is that we are going to be lucky to be 6-6. 5-7 is becoming a real possibility.

GT73

November 1st, 2010
9:56 am

The biggest problem is that he does NOT block well.

ss

November 1st, 2010
9:59 am

chuck,

A bad qb or a good qb. You give any qb enough time to throw he should thread the needle and complete pass plays, but you dont seem to get that.

The o-line dictates the tempo of the game and they have been bad all year. How many big yardage plays has this offense had all year? Not many.

gtne80,

UGA will beat us this year, but well worry about that at the end of the month. Murray will light up that secondary like x-mas lights. That kid can throw the ball accuratley and he as a wr that doesnt have the case of the drops.

This team has struggled to punch in drives for 6 points all year and clemson was no different. How many times did they take a dumb penalty and it cost of them?

This team is an overrated 5-3 and only has a winning record right now due to the fact the acc football schedule is pretty weak

Burdell

November 1st, 2010
10:04 am

SRF—You can not blame torn ACLs on conditioning you maroon. Moreno’s hamstring injuries, yes, but bronken bones and torn ligaments…not a chance.

gtne80

November 1st, 2010
10:15 am

ss – I think you are right regarding the UGA game. As I said, our only hope of beating them would be to cause turnovers, something our defense has NOT done this year. Groh’s scheme doesn’t lend itself to causing turnovers. His scheme is to win a war of attrition. Let the other offense shut itself down with mistakes or penalities by forcing them to go on long drives.

The only other hope would be if they are too busy fighting among themselves over Richt (assuming Auburn kicks their asses) to focus on our game. Not much chance there either.

Conclusion

November 1st, 2010
10:21 am

How many 40+ yard touchdowns for Dwyer? How many for Allen? Biggest difference between the two is one reached the endzone the other gets tackled from behind by the secondary. A little more speed made the difference for Dwyer. But Allen is not the problem with CPJ’s offense. Nesbitt has not looked very good. How many pitches has he tossed behind the A’backs for huge losses? His throws have been okay but nobody seems to be able to catch. Maybe put Allen at A-back occasionally since he can CATCH the ball.

GIVE ME A BREAK

November 1st, 2010
10:34 am

GT still hasn’t played it’s best game. Maybe Thursday night.

collegeballfan

November 1st, 2010
10:38 am

The best blocker GT had in 2008 & 2009 is now a WR for the Broncos.

That is a big part of the GT problem on offense.

Oh, and did I mention he caught a bunch of passes?

Jefferson

November 1st, 2010
11:09 am

Allen lacks the break away speed that Dwyer has, many of his 10-15 yd gains Dwyer would have gone to the house. This put the pressure back on the QB if the fullback can’t go house in this offense. Recruit speed or chase it.

Okeefe/Bob

November 1st, 2010
11:12 am

Doug—- I have a side question for you. I recall seeing in the stats of one of our games where it showed that Chas. Perkins had one run. Is thau true and if so,has he lost a whole year of eligibility for one run?Thx Okeefe

WHITE AND GOLD

November 1st, 2010
11:17 am

you have one of the O Line starters from last years squad playing for Ga State, Joseph Gilbert because he could not get into graduate school. GT’s biggest problem is itself. BTW, there are several redshirt juniiors set to graduate again after this football season including Roddy Jones. How many more will be gone? Of course, you do not see AJC doing any kind of investigating on this issue.

Doug Roberson

November 1st, 2010
11:18 am

No, Perkins hasn’t played this season.

Doug Roberson

November 1st, 2010
11:20 am

SRF: Thomas is having a decent rookie season considering he missed most of training camp.
Burnett and Morgan were also having good seasons before knee injuries.
Howard started two weeks ago for the Bills, and he was undrafted.

@WreckBuZZ

November 1st, 2010
11:45 am

Doug,

With all due respect you get an incomplete on your homework…

http://chuckoliver.net/?p=7813

While the overall stats might be similar to this point in the seasons, you can’t just generically categorize runs as either under 20 yards or over 20 yards. Is not a 40 yard run better than 20? Is 60 or 70 yards not better than 30?

The problem is that Allen doesn’t have those super long TD runs that Dwyer had. Dywer would routinely get runs of over 40 yards at least once in a game if not more than once. For Allen runs over 40 are few. Most of Allen’s yards are racked up at 10 or 15 yard increments.

I think Allen has come around a bit, but he’s still not on par with Dywer.

Sincerely,

@WreckBuZZ

Doug Roberson

November 1st, 2010
12:17 pm

OK, Dwyer had two touchdown runs longer than 20 yards through the first 8 games: one for 74 yards and one for 69.
He had four runs longer than 30. One of 20.

Allen has had 1 32-yard touchdown run, 1 pass play of 50 yards and another of 29, two runs longer than 40 yards, 1 run between 30-40 yards.

So…

GT4Ever

November 1st, 2010
12:18 pm

Old Gold

November 1st, 2010
7:07 am
Johnson’s playing calling has been terrible this year!

JN’s reads haven’t been the greatest!!! Missed assignements, blocks and tackles, and dropped passes haven’t helped!!!! No wonder we’ve looked bad.

Allen Sucks

November 1st, 2010
12:50 pm

Allen,
Please answer how you bust through the line and run down field and get caught from behind every single play? I’ve seen linemen run you down. You have to finish plays. Just because you did it in one game vs a sorry Virginia team doesn’t mean you can sit back and make dumb youtube videos of you getting your damn dreds fixed. I’m tired of seeing you getting caught from behind in the open field.

- Every Jacket Fan

GT Sambo

November 1st, 2010
2:22 pm

GT4Ever,
I’m glad someone besides me is saying this. Nesbitt appears to have taken a step back in terms of his reads and comprehension of the offense this year. Don’t get me wrong, I love Josh Nesbitt’s warrior mentality, and he is the best QB we’ve had since Joe Hamilton. But I’ve just seen a lot of bad reads on the triple option and poor pitches. I’m hoping this will improve Thursday night in Blacksburg (along with the receivers, the tackling, and the line play). Hopefully we can hit on a big run or a big pass play in the 1st quarter. If we can jump on them early, we can take the crowd out of it (see 2006) and then wear them down. This VT defense gave up 500 yards to NC State and 400 yards to C. Michigan, so they aren’t exactly menacing.

GT Sambo

November 1st, 2010
2:23 pm

Oh and as Doug rightly points out, Anthony Allen is NOT the problem here!

joeygt

November 1st, 2010
2:55 pm

the simple differnce is jon dryer finished off his runs allen has not, although a allen is a good bback he would have better numbers and more yardage at the aback position

joeygt

November 1st, 2010
2:56 pm

dryer is faster than allen

explained

November 1st, 2010
2:57 pm

The point is we don’t have a threat at A-back….move Allen back and put cox up at B-back. BOOM, double threat again.

joeygt

November 1st, 2010
3:02 pm

gt sambo i disaggree with you on nesbitt he has not regressed what has hurt us more is the oline blocking and losing those 2 players to ga state nesbitt doesnt get half the time to make his read before one of the defenders are in his face..

T3

November 1st, 2010
3:15 pm

I firmly believe Paul Johnson is a man of his word.

To start the season he said he expects Allen to have a 1000 yard season.

If so, then Allen needs to go “CRAZY” over the next 4 games.

He’ll need about 100 yards rushing/game to
break 1000 yards for the season.

Look for Allen to go for 100+ Yds rushing on Thursday night.