Let’s do a mailbag! And how would Tech fit in the SEC?

That’s right I used an exclamation point in the headline. That’s how excited I am about doing our second e-mail mailbag.

Send me any question you may have about any Georgia Tech sport and I’ll do my best to provide you an insightful answer.

I’ll post the answers on a blog on Tuesday at lunchtime. That’s Tuesday at lunchtime. There was some confusion about the publication of the answers when we did the last mailbag.

Now, on to the pie-in-the-sky topic that esteemed colleague (to borrow Mark Bradley’s phrase) Tony Barnhart broached last week.

As many of you know, expansion is the topic du jour for several conferences. The Big 10 has openly said it’s considering it. The SEC said it has reviewed scenarios. I await an answer from the ACC if it too has reviewed or is reviewing scenarios.

Should one or two of the conferences make a move, Barnhart suggested that the SEC may turn to the ACC and try and lure Clemson and Georgia Tech, among others, into the fold.

While I think that Clemson and FSU (the other possibility) would be natural fits because of the stadium sizes and geographic footprint of the fan bases, I’m not sure that Tech would. I’m also not sure that they would want to, unless it came to that.

Financially, it’s a no-brainer. Thanks to ESPN’s largess, SEC schools pull in the second-highest per school revenues behind those from the Big 10, which has its own TV network funding the athletics department.

The ACC is in the process of negotiating new TV deals for football and men’s basketball. It’s unlikely to pull in the $2 billion over 15 years that ESPN pledged to the SEC.

While Tech was once a founding member of the SEC, I would be very surprised to see the dominoes fall in such a way that find Tech back in the fold.

Some comparative stats, courtesy of Wikipedia (so take them with a grain of salt). These are meant for talking points only:

College/Metro pop./Year founded/Affiliation/Enrollment/Joined

University of Florida/ (114,916)/1853/Public/51,474/1932

University of Georgia/ (113,398)/1785/Public/34,180/1932

University of Kentucky/ (282,114)/1865/Public/26,054/1932

University of South Carolina/ (127,029)/1801/Public/27,488/1991

University of Tennessee/ (184,802)/1794/Public/30,410/1932

Vanderbilt University/ (596,462)/1873/Private/12,093/1932

Western Division

University of Alabama/ (90,221)/1831/Public/27,014/1932

University of Arkansas/ (73,372)/1871/Public/19,849/1991

Auburn University/ (56,088)/1856/Public/24,530/1932

Louisiana State University/ (223,689)/1860/Public/28,810/1932

University of Mississippi/ (17,265)/1848/Public/15,289/1932

Mississippi State University/ (24,187)/1878/Public/17,824/1932

Georgia Tech/5,000,000+/1885/Public/12,966/1885

432 comments Add your comment

Me

April 29th, 2010
8:54 am

They would fit in as good as Vandy! Same results. First!

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
8:55 am

not really a great fit, imo.

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 29th, 2010
8:56 am

Hey Doug, great article on Bay-Bay the other day.

I think GT would be an excellent fit…Atlanta is the heart of SEC country. Getting back into the SEC would sellout games with the sidewalk fans that loath UGAg. There are millions.

Somebody has to man up to UF.

And, the last game of the year would have a ton riding on it between UGAg and GT.

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
8:56 am

“first” idiots are … the first idiots to reveal themselves as such.

TechPhi97

April 29th, 2010
8:56 am

Doug,

Question for you: How is Cooper Taylor progressing in his recovery? I think many fans are interested in how he will fit into the defensive backfield next year after showing so much promise as a Freshman.

SolicitorJacket

April 29th, 2010
8:58 am

I’m not sure where the distinction is drawn there Doug. Tech was a charter member of the SEC until it made what many believe to be a mistake in leaving in 1964. Tech attempted to rejoin in the 70s only to be blocked by the Mississippi Schools (due to an old feud with Bobby Dodd) and someone else (Auburn or UGA, the stories vary). Tech was at a low ebb sportswise at the time and it really would not have been a good fit. The only statistic that you quote that would make Tech an outlier would be enrollment. But your figures there are wrong. Tech’s total enrollment is over 20k. You only counted undergrad for Tech but apparently included grad students for the other schools. That puts Tech ahead of three current SEC schools and Clemson’s is very close.

Me

April 29th, 2010
8:58 am

wesley is just mad

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
8:59 am

nah, just curious how certain morons manage to find their way online without their head exploding. maybe u can tell me?

Me

April 29th, 2010
9:00 am

You are the only one mad at a game. You must be a Tech fan!

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
9:03 am

errrr, this IS a mailbag ABOUT georgia tech, right?

what sort of idiot would be reading the article and then commenting if they weren’t a tech fan?

oh wait, it is all becoming clear now.

Me

April 29th, 2010
9:05 am

Wow! you Tech fans are true idiots, most of you never went to the school, but you act as if you did. You guys are ALL over our boards. MORON!!!!

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
9:10 am

since u seem so concerned about where i went to school, i graduated from tech in 1999 but YOU still haven’t explained why YOU feel the need to comment on a tech article.

slow day on the porta-potty cleaning route so u thought u better troll the tech page post “first” and other asnine comments? maybe your time would be better spent applying for jobs or learning new skills?

anyway, i’ve wasted enough of my morning trying to explain that u need to get a life. the rest is up to u, chief. selah.

PawleysIslandJacket

April 29th, 2010
9:10 am

Let’s return to the SEC.

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
9:15 am

the SEC doesn’t seem like a good fit academically either. only vanderbilt and UF are members of the AAU, the prestigious organization of research universities that GT just joined.

rumor has it that the big 10 (all of whose members belong to the AAU) won’t consider new members who aren’t AAU members (except notre dame, which is an island onto itself), so why would tech consider joining an athletic conference that would LOWER its academic prestige?

answer: it won’t. for that reason and many others, including the fact that it won’t be asked to join by the SEC anytime soon.

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
9:16 am

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
9:17 am

other AAU members: http://www.aau.edu/about/article.aspx?id=5476

note that only 2 of 12 SEC members make the cut. is anyone surprised?

Wreck

April 29th, 2010
9:18 am

Tech should be invited to the SEC. Time to go HOME where we belong.

Wreck

April 29th, 2010
9:20 am

Stop with the academic crap. Being in the SEC doesn’t seem to diminish Vandy in any way. I am sick of the stereotypical elitist Tech fan posting on the blogs that is in no way representative of any hardcore GT fans I know.

GO JACKETS

Brian

April 29th, 2010
9:26 am

Any info on the coaching replacement on the basketball staff?
How is the transition going with a more perimeter oriented team?

What is the rotation looking like at A-back, is Chris Jackson going to be ready to go?
Other injury updates and depth chart projections for fall camp…

When will Kevin Jacobs and Jay Dantzler be back, if at all this season?
Will Pope challenge for a weekend spot this season?

Track, golf, and softball updates are appreciated as always and thanks for the coverage Doug.

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
9:28 am

facts about which universities belong to the AAU are “elitist”, lol? u sure u r supporting the right school, dog?

and fyi, tech hasn’t been a member of the SEC since 1964 and no one wants to go back.

join the 21st century, wreck. georgia tech is about a lot more than football.

Brian

April 29th, 2010
9:29 am

Maybe a where are they now updating recent baseball, basketball, and football players of the past 3-5 years and how they are competing at this time. We have put a lot of people into the professional ranks and it would be cool to see how they stack up.

Gt4ever

April 29th, 2010
9:31 am

The SEC is where we need to be!!!!!! Period….

sec/acc

April 29th, 2010
9:31 am

I realize the SEC is looked upon as some powerhouse conference but lately, what has any of them done besides AL, FL and LSU with the latter not doing too much to be in that category? VT, Miami, Clemson, GT and FSU are just as tough to battle. The last time GT played Auburn, the Tigers were ranked 2nd in the country and GT with Reggie Ball still won the game. Are GT fans suppose to be in awe or intimidated? Should GT be in literal fear when facing SC, TN, GA, Arkansas, KY, Ms, Ms St, Vandy,? Think not. Didn’t even see UGA play Alabama on their schedule so did they honestly have it that bad? VT beat Tn and Clemson beat Ky who both beat UGA. If it means better revenue then I guess it is a good idea but I do not see better football opponents week in and week out, year in and year out. Maybe GT could stay in the ACC for basketball but really with the current coach the majority aren’t going to care one way or the other about that either.

john

April 29th, 2010
9:33 am

Me: your kidding me right, a UGA fan is complaining about Tech fans never attending the university? Let me educate you Mr. Me; Tech fans went to Tech, or have a family member who went to tech. Georgia Fans are 50% made up of low class morons too stupid to get into any school. Another 40% is locals not quite smart enough to get into UGA, and the other 10% is made up of UGA alumni to stupid to get into Tech. Get your facts right.

sec/acc

April 29th, 2010
9:36 am

what is also funny, is that GT has beat CLemson in football the last 6 out of 7 times and yet the Barnharts, Robersons and other dog mentality people think the Tigers are the team to move in the SEC.

Dawglasville

April 29th, 2010
9:39 am

That would be a blast. Maybe then we can all get the hate out of our hearts and have a healthy rivalry like we have with Auburn. Imagine Tech and Georgia fans actually pulling for each other during bowl games. I think it would be great.

HIGH HORSE

April 29th, 2010
9:40 am

I had a Clemson fan tell me in the office not too long ago that he was sick of the ACC and wished Clemson could jump to the SEC. My only thought was “do you think you could win the ACC first before abandoning ship”, are they leaving because they are victims? hahahahaha

HugoStiglitz

April 29th, 2010
9:41 am

wesleywhatwhat is basically right. GT would never accept an invitation back to the SEC because it really wouldnt benefit us as much as people think. It would bolster the football program program somewhat but hurt us in other areas. It really wouldnt be worth it. I actually read an interesting article the other day that said the SEC probably wouldnt expand because the few schools they would want probably wouldnt join them for academic reasons.

GT Fan...

April 29th, 2010
9:46 am

It’s obviously from a geographical standpoint to have GT & Clemson in the SEC … and the SEC should go ahead and bring in FSU and Miami too. But $, the ATL TV Market, and the copius amount of high school talent in the metro Atlanat area are going to big huge reasons why GA, UT, AU & AL will prevent GT from joining the SEC.

Very similar situation in the Pac 10 with San Diego State …. AZ, ASU, UCLA & USC definitely don’t want the Aztecs snagging lots of the San Diego area talent.

I Hate UGAY

April 29th, 2010
9:46 am

I pi ss on the sec, lets build the ACC, and destroy all sec teams on the field of play. Let there be no survivors….

Dodd's Legacy

April 29th, 2010
9:51 am

As bad a fit as the reverse… how would a ‘backy spittin’ mullet wearin’ “Git r done’in’” redneck uga fan fit in at a concert in symphony hall?

I Hate UGAY

April 29th, 2010
9:55 am

I agree with john, uga fans are too stupid to get into tech, or even Devry.

juvenal

April 29th, 2010
9:56 am

rectify the single dumbest mistake GTAA ever made…& hope they don’t notice vt is a better fit…

addicted

April 29th, 2010
10:04 am

The major reason why SEC teams would want Tech in are:

1) Historical. When you are referenced in a team’s fight song (Alabama), thats got to count for something. Besides, there is a lot of Tech SEC history.
2) This would be an away game that is extremely close to many of the biggest SEC colleges, viz. Tennessee, Alabama, etc… But more importantly, almost every SEC team has huge Atlanta alumni chapters. They would love to have an away game in their own backyard.

Interesting

April 29th, 2010
10:11 am

I think the only reason it would happen is because the ACC does get plenty of players from GA. Bringing in Tech would lock up GA recruiting for the SEC teams. Sometimes the players can be just as important as the TV revenue in the debate.

I have no problem with the SEC teams. I cheer for everyone that plays U(sic)GA.

This is a discussion?

April 29th, 2010
10:12 am

If GT was in the SEC, they would finish last every year.

UGA 30 – GT 24

WE RUN THIS STATE

kaput

April 29th, 2010
10:20 am

Something that often gets lost in the discussion of which conference teams earn more money is the fact that SEC teams get to keep their in-state cable package monies (i.e., Florida takes in over 10 million a year from SunSports) while Big 10 teams don’t have that as an option. So Florida makes far more than the 17 million that is often referenced (and other teams makes in the same area as that).

I wish that writers of articles like these would do a little homework before posting stories like this.

The SEC is king when it comes to money as well, once you add it ALL up.

GTMike

April 29th, 2010
10:24 am

I’ve got some questions about recruiting:

Who are our top recruits for QB? I’ve heard a lot about two guys in particular, Vad Lee and Nick Marshall… Lee looks like a perfect fit in our system, so where are we with him and other guys?

It looks like we’ve already gotten two potential RB’s in Morgan and Willis, so are we going after any more?

Where do we stand with some of the blue chip prospects like Wilder, Tuitt, Vaughters, etc.?

CatsFly

April 29th, 2010
10:30 am

I would be interested to hear how Tech students and alumni (not fans) and faculty and administration folks feel about this. They are the ones that count. Somehow, I don’t believe they are too keen on such a move.

LEROY

April 29th, 2010
10:30 am

Doug, do you and Barnhart honestly think there is a tougher schedule than what GT will play in 2010? I would like to see Alabama play at Clemson, at Va Tech, at UNC (with all their NFL juniors coming back) and at UGA, not to mention at Kansas too. So going to the SEC would be tougher than that? yeah right

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

April 29th, 2010
10:31 am

As a Ga fan it really wouldn’t effect me at all since we play every year anyway. I don’t see how the rivalry could get any bigger. If it happens GT would be competitive in most sports ie baseball, basketball, football (don’t know about some womens sports at Gt) If it happens, welcome home, if it doesn’t, well, see you in November

CarolinaJacket

April 29th, 2010
10:36 am

I would love to see Tech back in the SEC. I was a kid back when they were and remember seeing great games with Tenn., Bama, and LSU. How could Joe Auer drop that pass????????????

T3

April 29th, 2010
10:39 am

The SEC doesnt really have a “need” to expand. Yet.

Big 10(11) kind of has a “need.”

Pac 10 kind of has a “need.”

Big 12 wont have a “need” to make any chnages,
unless the Big 12 loses Mizzou & Nebraska to Big10,
and Colorado to Pac10.

Frankly, I think the Big10 will go to at least 14.
1) Mizzou 2) Nebraska, and 3) Iowa State, Pitt or Syracuse,
with Maryland as a potential but highly valuable long-shot.
(For MD, consider the potential HUGE TV money in the Baltimore/DC market).

Big 10 fans (and msot fans) will pay MORE to see REAL games, rather than watch their team play “cupcakes.” A new “Big 14″ would also have a virtual “lock” on any Strength of Schedule comparisons, which menas higher BCS rankings and more bowls and bowl money. SEC wont be able to keep scheduling all those cupcakes.

I just dont think the SEC sees any urgency to expand or change.

If…the SEC were to consider expanding, I dont think that Florida would allow THEIR In-State rival (FSU) to be added, without requiring UGA to also admit THEIR In-State rival (GT) as well?

I personally think D-Rad would push to move GT to the SEC, if invited.

Regardless of whatever the Big 10 does, the Pac10 is going to get Colorado and Utah, for sure, to get to 12. Its only a question of whether they add BYU, UtahSt, Nevada-Reno, UNLV, NewMex or NewMexSt to get to 14. And that will depend on how many teams the Big 10 decides to add.

If Big 10 goes to 12. No significant “spillover” effects.
If Big 10 goes to 14, MAJOR realignments are coming.

UGA WHO?

April 29th, 2010
11:01 am

Georgia Tech use to be in the sec when you had the great alabama teams and others….Remember tech won 5 sec championships and 4 national titles, 3 of which were in the sec. So lets see here, i think 9-3 or 8-4 is realistic. They would be a second place team in either side…..My opinion.

dawgdawgdawg

April 29th, 2010
11:04 am

Um, let’s see…

Tech would get OWNED by Florida, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, South Carolina, and probably Kentucky.

Stay in the ACC

VaIllini

April 29th, 2010
11:06 am

A move to the SEC would be unwise for GTech. The SEC is academically inferior to the ACC. Tech is where it belongs – with UVa, UNC, WF, Duke, and BC. In fact, Vandy, UF, and UGA would be better off moving to the ACC, assuming those institutions are interested more in academics than sports.

Hayseed Dixie

April 29th, 2010
11:08 am

I realize this is alot like criticizing the magician for his tricks not being “real magic”, but…

This Tech to SEC crap is as much of a non-story as I’ve ever heard. They have an equal chance of ending up in the NFC South.

Name *one* realistic scenario in which an ascendant Tech program leaves the ACC. Can anyone point to any *real* evidence that this is being considered?

The ACC is the same conference that had the juice to get Boston College, VaTech and Miami to leave their cupcake conference that gave them plenty of easy Ws on their way to contending for NCs. Things are much, much tougher for those programs now. How did they pull that off?

I’d love to see Tech in the SEC, recruiting would be much easier, and there’s no doubt in my mind we’d whoop arse. I just don’t know where this talk is coming from.

It just isn’t. going. to. happen.

HugoStiglitz

April 29th, 2010
11:14 am

Vallini, you are right, especially about Vandy. How they got stuck in the SEC is a mystery. Maybe the ACC could trade NC State to the SEC for Vandy. Vandy would fit in much better there and the SEC would have a North Carolina footprint for their conference.

Jim in Ga

April 29th, 2010
11:17 am

wesleywhatwhat, How can you talk about the ACC being supperior in academics by using the AAU and they only have 4 members. Whoopty do.

Dawgforlife

April 29th, 2010
11:18 am

let Me get this straight…there is a Tech fan who wants Tech in the SEC…so that someone can “man up” to Florida?….I almost threw my back out laughing…I wouldn’t start with Florida…you need to try to “man up” with UGA first…8 of 9…..60-39…I wonder how the man up would have gone against FLA the year UGA beat you 51-7…I’m still a big fan of Reggie Ball to this day.