Let’s do a mailbag! And how would Tech fit in the SEC?

That’s right I used an exclamation point in the headline. That’s how excited I am about doing our second e-mail mailbag.

Send me any question you may have about any Georgia Tech sport and I’ll do my best to provide you an insightful answer.

I’ll post the answers on a blog on Tuesday at lunchtime. That’s Tuesday at lunchtime. There was some confusion about the publication of the answers when we did the last mailbag.

Now, on to the pie-in-the-sky topic that esteemed colleague (to borrow Mark Bradley’s phrase) Tony Barnhart broached last week.

As many of you know, expansion is the topic du jour for several conferences. The Big 10 has openly said it’s considering it. The SEC said it has reviewed scenarios. I await an answer from the ACC if it too has reviewed or is reviewing scenarios.

Should one or two of the conferences make a move, Barnhart suggested that the SEC may turn to the ACC and try and lure Clemson and Georgia Tech, among others, into the fold.

While I think that Clemson and FSU (the other possibility) would be natural fits because of the stadium sizes and geographic footprint of the fan bases, I’m not sure that Tech would. I’m also not sure that they would want to, unless it came to that.

Financially, it’s a no-brainer. Thanks to ESPN’s largess, SEC schools pull in the second-highest per school revenues behind those from the Big 10, which has its own TV network funding the athletics department.

The ACC is in the process of negotiating new TV deals for football and men’s basketball. It’s unlikely to pull in the $2 billion over 15 years that ESPN pledged to the SEC.

While Tech was once a founding member of the SEC, I would be very surprised to see the dominoes fall in such a way that find Tech back in the fold.

Some comparative stats, courtesy of Wikipedia (so take them with a grain of salt). These are meant for talking points only:

College/Metro pop./Year founded/Affiliation/Enrollment/Joined

University of Florida/ (114,916)/1853/Public/51,474/1932

University of Georgia/ (113,398)/1785/Public/34,180/1932

University of Kentucky/ (282,114)/1865/Public/26,054/1932

University of South Carolina/ (127,029)/1801/Public/27,488/1991

University of Tennessee/ (184,802)/1794/Public/30,410/1932

Vanderbilt University/ (596,462)/1873/Private/12,093/1932

Western Division

University of Alabama/ (90,221)/1831/Public/27,014/1932

University of Arkansas/ (73,372)/1871/Public/19,849/1991

Auburn University/ (56,088)/1856/Public/24,530/1932

Louisiana State University/ (223,689)/1860/Public/28,810/1932

University of Mississippi/ (17,265)/1848/Public/15,289/1932

Mississippi State University/ (24,187)/1878/Public/17,824/1932

Georgia Tech/5,000,000+/1885/Public/12,966/1885

432 comments Add your comment

Me

April 29th, 2010
8:54 am

They would fit in as good as Vandy! Same results. First!

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
8:55 am

not really a great fit, imo.

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 29th, 2010
8:56 am

Hey Doug, great article on Bay-Bay the other day.

I think GT would be an excellent fit…Atlanta is the heart of SEC country. Getting back into the SEC would sellout games with the sidewalk fans that loath UGAg. There are millions.

Somebody has to man up to UF.

And, the last game of the year would have a ton riding on it between UGAg and GT.

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
8:56 am

“first” idiots are … the first idiots to reveal themselves as such.

TechPhi97

April 29th, 2010
8:56 am

Doug,

Question for you: How is Cooper Taylor progressing in his recovery? I think many fans are interested in how he will fit into the defensive backfield next year after showing so much promise as a Freshman.

SolicitorJacket

April 29th, 2010
8:58 am

I’m not sure where the distinction is drawn there Doug. Tech was a charter member of the SEC until it made what many believe to be a mistake in leaving in 1964. Tech attempted to rejoin in the 70s only to be blocked by the Mississippi Schools (due to an old feud with Bobby Dodd) and someone else (Auburn or UGA, the stories vary). Tech was at a low ebb sportswise at the time and it really would not have been a good fit. The only statistic that you quote that would make Tech an outlier would be enrollment. But your figures there are wrong. Tech’s total enrollment is over 20k. You only counted undergrad for Tech but apparently included grad students for the other schools. That puts Tech ahead of three current SEC schools and Clemson’s is very close.

Me

April 29th, 2010
8:58 am

wesley is just mad

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
8:59 am

nah, just curious how certain morons manage to find their way online without their head exploding. maybe u can tell me?

Me

April 29th, 2010
9:00 am

You are the only one mad at a game. You must be a Tech fan!

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
9:03 am

errrr, this IS a mailbag ABOUT georgia tech, right?

what sort of idiot would be reading the article and then commenting if they weren’t a tech fan?

oh wait, it is all becoming clear now.

Me

April 29th, 2010
9:05 am

Wow! you Tech fans are true idiots, most of you never went to the school, but you act as if you did. You guys are ALL over our boards. MORON!!!!

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
9:10 am

since u seem so concerned about where i went to school, i graduated from tech in 1999 but YOU still haven’t explained why YOU feel the need to comment on a tech article.

slow day on the porta-potty cleaning route so u thought u better troll the tech page post “first” and other asnine comments? maybe your time would be better spent applying for jobs or learning new skills?

anyway, i’ve wasted enough of my morning trying to explain that u need to get a life. the rest is up to u, chief. selah.

PawleysIslandJacket

April 29th, 2010
9:10 am

Let’s return to the SEC.

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
9:15 am

the SEC doesn’t seem like a good fit academically either. only vanderbilt and UF are members of the AAU, the prestigious organization of research universities that GT just joined.

rumor has it that the big 10 (all of whose members belong to the AAU) won’t consider new members who aren’t AAU members (except notre dame, which is an island onto itself), so why would tech consider joining an athletic conference that would LOWER its academic prestige?

answer: it won’t. for that reason and many others, including the fact that it won’t be asked to join by the SEC anytime soon.

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
9:16 am

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
9:17 am

other AAU members: http://www.aau.edu/about/article.aspx?id=5476

note that only 2 of 12 SEC members make the cut. is anyone surprised?

Wreck

April 29th, 2010
9:18 am

Tech should be invited to the SEC. Time to go HOME where we belong.

Wreck

April 29th, 2010
9:20 am

Stop with the academic crap. Being in the SEC doesn’t seem to diminish Vandy in any way. I am sick of the stereotypical elitist Tech fan posting on the blogs that is in no way representative of any hardcore GT fans I know.

GO JACKETS

Brian

April 29th, 2010
9:26 am

Any info on the coaching replacement on the basketball staff?
How is the transition going with a more perimeter oriented team?

What is the rotation looking like at A-back, is Chris Jackson going to be ready to go?
Other injury updates and depth chart projections for fall camp…

When will Kevin Jacobs and Jay Dantzler be back, if at all this season?
Will Pope challenge for a weekend spot this season?

Track, golf, and softball updates are appreciated as always and thanks for the coverage Doug.

wesleywhatwhat

April 29th, 2010
9:28 am

facts about which universities belong to the AAU are “elitist”, lol? u sure u r supporting the right school, dog?

and fyi, tech hasn’t been a member of the SEC since 1964 and no one wants to go back.

join the 21st century, wreck. georgia tech is about a lot more than football.

Brian

April 29th, 2010
9:29 am

Maybe a where are they now updating recent baseball, basketball, and football players of the past 3-5 years and how they are competing at this time. We have put a lot of people into the professional ranks and it would be cool to see how they stack up.

Gt4ever

April 29th, 2010
9:31 am

The SEC is where we need to be!!!!!! Period….

sec/acc

April 29th, 2010
9:31 am

I realize the SEC is looked upon as some powerhouse conference but lately, what has any of them done besides AL, FL and LSU with the latter not doing too much to be in that category? VT, Miami, Clemson, GT and FSU are just as tough to battle. The last time GT played Auburn, the Tigers were ranked 2nd in the country and GT with Reggie Ball still won the game. Are GT fans suppose to be in awe or intimidated? Should GT be in literal fear when facing SC, TN, GA, Arkansas, KY, Ms, Ms St, Vandy,? Think not. Didn’t even see UGA play Alabama on their schedule so did they honestly have it that bad? VT beat Tn and Clemson beat Ky who both beat UGA. If it means better revenue then I guess it is a good idea but I do not see better football opponents week in and week out, year in and year out. Maybe GT could stay in the ACC for basketball but really with the current coach the majority aren’t going to care one way or the other about that either.

john

April 29th, 2010
9:33 am

Me: your kidding me right, a UGA fan is complaining about Tech fans never attending the university? Let me educate you Mr. Me; Tech fans went to Tech, or have a family member who went to tech. Georgia Fans are 50% made up of low class morons too stupid to get into any school. Another 40% is locals not quite smart enough to get into UGA, and the other 10% is made up of UGA alumni to stupid to get into Tech. Get your facts right.

sec/acc

April 29th, 2010
9:36 am

what is also funny, is that GT has beat CLemson in football the last 6 out of 7 times and yet the Barnharts, Robersons and other dog mentality people think the Tigers are the team to move in the SEC.

Dawglasville

April 29th, 2010
9:39 am

That would be a blast. Maybe then we can all get the hate out of our hearts and have a healthy rivalry like we have with Auburn. Imagine Tech and Georgia fans actually pulling for each other during bowl games. I think it would be great.

HIGH HORSE

April 29th, 2010
9:40 am

I had a Clemson fan tell me in the office not too long ago that he was sick of the ACC and wished Clemson could jump to the SEC. My only thought was “do you think you could win the ACC first before abandoning ship”, are they leaving because they are victims? hahahahaha

HugoStiglitz

April 29th, 2010
9:41 am

wesleywhatwhat is basically right. GT would never accept an invitation back to the SEC because it really wouldnt benefit us as much as people think. It would bolster the football program program somewhat but hurt us in other areas. It really wouldnt be worth it. I actually read an interesting article the other day that said the SEC probably wouldnt expand because the few schools they would want probably wouldnt join them for academic reasons.

GT Fan...

April 29th, 2010
9:46 am

It’s obviously from a geographical standpoint to have GT & Clemson in the SEC … and the SEC should go ahead and bring in FSU and Miami too. But $, the ATL TV Market, and the copius amount of high school talent in the metro Atlanat area are going to big huge reasons why GA, UT, AU & AL will prevent GT from joining the SEC.

Very similar situation in the Pac 10 with San Diego State …. AZ, ASU, UCLA & USC definitely don’t want the Aztecs snagging lots of the San Diego area talent.

I Hate UGAY

April 29th, 2010
9:46 am

I pi ss on the sec, lets build the ACC, and destroy all sec teams on the field of play. Let there be no survivors….

Dodd's Legacy

April 29th, 2010
9:51 am

As bad a fit as the reverse… how would a ‘backy spittin’ mullet wearin’ “Git r done’in’” redneck uga fan fit in at a concert in symphony hall?

I Hate UGAY

April 29th, 2010
9:55 am

I agree with john, uga fans are too stupid to get into tech, or even Devry.

juvenal

April 29th, 2010
9:56 am

rectify the single dumbest mistake GTAA ever made…& hope they don’t notice vt is a better fit…

addicted

April 29th, 2010
10:04 am

The major reason why SEC teams would want Tech in are:

1) Historical. When you are referenced in a team’s fight song (Alabama), thats got to count for something. Besides, there is a lot of Tech SEC history.
2) This would be an away game that is extremely close to many of the biggest SEC colleges, viz. Tennessee, Alabama, etc… But more importantly, almost every SEC team has huge Atlanta alumni chapters. They would love to have an away game in their own backyard.

Interesting

April 29th, 2010
10:11 am

I think the only reason it would happen is because the ACC does get plenty of players from GA. Bringing in Tech would lock up GA recruiting for the SEC teams. Sometimes the players can be just as important as the TV revenue in the debate.

I have no problem with the SEC teams. I cheer for everyone that plays U(sic)GA.

This is a discussion?

April 29th, 2010
10:12 am

If GT was in the SEC, they would finish last every year.

UGA 30 – GT 24

WE RUN THIS STATE

kaput

April 29th, 2010
10:20 am

Something that often gets lost in the discussion of which conference teams earn more money is the fact that SEC teams get to keep their in-state cable package monies (i.e., Florida takes in over 10 million a year from SunSports) while Big 10 teams don’t have that as an option. So Florida makes far more than the 17 million that is often referenced (and other teams makes in the same area as that).

I wish that writers of articles like these would do a little homework before posting stories like this.

The SEC is king when it comes to money as well, once you add it ALL up.

GTMike

April 29th, 2010
10:24 am

I’ve got some questions about recruiting:

Who are our top recruits for QB? I’ve heard a lot about two guys in particular, Vad Lee and Nick Marshall… Lee looks like a perfect fit in our system, so where are we with him and other guys?

It looks like we’ve already gotten two potential RB’s in Morgan and Willis, so are we going after any more?

Where do we stand with some of the blue chip prospects like Wilder, Tuitt, Vaughters, etc.?

CatsFly

April 29th, 2010
10:30 am

I would be interested to hear how Tech students and alumni (not fans) and faculty and administration folks feel about this. They are the ones that count. Somehow, I don’t believe they are too keen on such a move.

LEROY

April 29th, 2010
10:30 am

Doug, do you and Barnhart honestly think there is a tougher schedule than what GT will play in 2010? I would like to see Alabama play at Clemson, at Va Tech, at UNC (with all their NFL juniors coming back) and at UGA, not to mention at Kansas too. So going to the SEC would be tougher than that? yeah right

Starring Kam Fong as Chin Ho

April 29th, 2010
10:31 am

As a Ga fan it really wouldn’t effect me at all since we play every year anyway. I don’t see how the rivalry could get any bigger. If it happens GT would be competitive in most sports ie baseball, basketball, football (don’t know about some womens sports at Gt) If it happens, welcome home, if it doesn’t, well, see you in November

CarolinaJacket

April 29th, 2010
10:36 am

I would love to see Tech back in the SEC. I was a kid back when they were and remember seeing great games with Tenn., Bama, and LSU. How could Joe Auer drop that pass????????????

T3

April 29th, 2010
10:39 am

The SEC doesnt really have a “need” to expand. Yet.

Big 10(11) kind of has a “need.”

Pac 10 kind of has a “need.”

Big 12 wont have a “need” to make any chnages,
unless the Big 12 loses Mizzou & Nebraska to Big10,
and Colorado to Pac10.

Frankly, I think the Big10 will go to at least 14.
1) Mizzou 2) Nebraska, and 3) Iowa State, Pitt or Syracuse,
with Maryland as a potential but highly valuable long-shot.
(For MD, consider the potential HUGE TV money in the Baltimore/DC market).

Big 10 fans (and msot fans) will pay MORE to see REAL games, rather than watch their team play “cupcakes.” A new “Big 14″ would also have a virtual “lock” on any Strength of Schedule comparisons, which menas higher BCS rankings and more bowls and bowl money. SEC wont be able to keep scheduling all those cupcakes.

I just dont think the SEC sees any urgency to expand or change.

If…the SEC were to consider expanding, I dont think that Florida would allow THEIR In-State rival (FSU) to be added, without requiring UGA to also admit THEIR In-State rival (GT) as well?

I personally think D-Rad would push to move GT to the SEC, if invited.

Regardless of whatever the Big 10 does, the Pac10 is going to get Colorado and Utah, for sure, to get to 12. Its only a question of whether they add BYU, UtahSt, Nevada-Reno, UNLV, NewMex or NewMexSt to get to 14. And that will depend on how many teams the Big 10 decides to add.

If Big 10 goes to 12. No significant “spillover” effects.
If Big 10 goes to 14, MAJOR realignments are coming.

UGA WHO?

April 29th, 2010
11:01 am

Georgia Tech use to be in the sec when you had the great alabama teams and others….Remember tech won 5 sec championships and 4 national titles, 3 of which were in the sec. So lets see here, i think 9-3 or 8-4 is realistic. They would be a second place team in either side…..My opinion.

dawgdawgdawg

April 29th, 2010
11:04 am

Um, let’s see…

Tech would get OWNED by Florida, Tennessee, Alabama, Georgia, LSU, South Carolina, and probably Kentucky.

Stay in the ACC

VaIllini

April 29th, 2010
11:06 am

A move to the SEC would be unwise for GTech. The SEC is academically inferior to the ACC. Tech is where it belongs – with UVa, UNC, WF, Duke, and BC. In fact, Vandy, UF, and UGA would be better off moving to the ACC, assuming those institutions are interested more in academics than sports.

Hayseed Dixie

April 29th, 2010
11:08 am

I realize this is alot like criticizing the magician for his tricks not being “real magic”, but…

This Tech to SEC crap is as much of a non-story as I’ve ever heard. They have an equal chance of ending up in the NFC South.

Name *one* realistic scenario in which an ascendant Tech program leaves the ACC. Can anyone point to any *real* evidence that this is being considered?

The ACC is the same conference that had the juice to get Boston College, VaTech and Miami to leave their cupcake conference that gave them plenty of easy Ws on their way to contending for NCs. Things are much, much tougher for those programs now. How did they pull that off?

I’d love to see Tech in the SEC, recruiting would be much easier, and there’s no doubt in my mind we’d whoop arse. I just don’t know where this talk is coming from.

It just isn’t. going. to. happen.

HugoStiglitz

April 29th, 2010
11:14 am

Vallini, you are right, especially about Vandy. How they got stuck in the SEC is a mystery. Maybe the ACC could trade NC State to the SEC for Vandy. Vandy would fit in much better there and the SEC would have a North Carolina footprint for their conference.

Jim in Ga

April 29th, 2010
11:17 am

wesleywhatwhat, How can you talk about the ACC being supperior in academics by using the AAU and they only have 4 members. Whoopty do.

Dawgforlife

April 29th, 2010
11:18 am

let Me get this straight…there is a Tech fan who wants Tech in the SEC…so that someone can “man up” to Florida?….I almost threw my back out laughing…I wouldn’t start with Florida…you need to try to “man up” with UGA first…8 of 9…..60-39…I wonder how the man up would have gone against FLA the year UGA beat you 51-7…I’m still a big fan of Reggie Ball to this day.

ATLdawg

April 29th, 2010
11:25 am

wesleywhatwhat – clearly you are the idiot. tech fans are constantly commenting on dawg articles. you are the elite…elite president of the north avenue tickle pile club. watch out for your protractor and don’t let it poke you in the as*. tech wouldn’t join the SEC because they would have even less “fans” show up to the game to watch them get beat

UGA 89

April 29th, 2010
11:25 am

The questtion is would Tech be a good fit in the SEC?
Of course they would. They are located as close to other SEC schools as UGA.
They have quality programs in all sports just as other SEC schools do.
Would the other SEC schools want them? Probably
As a UGA Grad and fan I know every college goes through a cycle of winning and dropping off, and then winning again.( FSU, Miami, USC, Michigan, etc…)
Tech and UGA are about equal on most of their sports through the years, so I wish UGA and Tech fans would stick to the real topic and just admit the SEC is big enough to have both schools in the conference!

Dawgforlife

April 29th, 2010
11:26 am

weak teams in the SEC..okay…we can trade you Vandy….to go the Duke, NCST, Virginia, and Wake Forest…they will fit right in..and then Tech can have 5 gimme wins…well, at least most of the time…Duke did dismatle you a few years back as I remember

HBTD

April 29th, 2010
11:28 am

Doug. Thanks for the laughs!!!!!!!!!! Hahahahahahahahahahaha!

Jim in Ga

April 29th, 2010
11:30 am

I would like to see Tech in the SEC if only so we can add someone else as a noncon game. I think they’d be a good fit

Innocent Bystander

April 29th, 2010
11:32 am

A swap of Vanderbilt and Tech would make both schools better suited to their respective conferences.

Dawgforlife

April 29th, 2010
11:35 am

UGA who…9-3…and 8-4…those records are inferior to most of the records Ga has had under Richt; and yet, ya’ll blow about BCS games and how UGA has no chance of winning a conference title. Tech in the SEC is the truest meaning of no chance to win the title…9-3 and 8-4…never gonna cut it in the SEC…the SEC is the closest League to the NFL in the world…better stick in the (ACC) Almost Competitive Conference.

ramwrecksf

April 29th, 2010
11:36 am

It’s already bad enough to have so many of those redneck SEC fans living in Atlanta, but to join the great unwashed conference is beyond reason. The average SAT scores at all the SEC schools (with the possible exception of Vandy is beneath Tech’s. Why would a school leave the ACC where it fits academically to be with a bunch of second rate academic schools? If you look at any of the Newsweek ratings, TEch is the top-rated school in the Deep South academically. There is a reason the capital city of the south is home to the greatest school in the south in the greatest conference in the south and it is NOT an SEC school.

T3

April 29th, 2010
11:38 am

Hayseed Dixie: Name *one* scenario…

How about $20+ Million “scenarios.”

Three KEY considerations:

1) Remember, GT was a FOUNDING MEMBER of the SEC.
2) D-Rad came to GT…from LSU.
3) In ALL things, Atlanta is “THE CAPITOL” of the South.

The economic benefit to Atlanta (specifically)
and the State of Georgia (generally) of having
GT back in the SEC would simply be…M-A-S-S-I-V-E.

Tens of Millions of NEW, ADDITIONAL DOLLARS spent into the local economy……EACH & EVERY year.

Think of something along the lines of:
the Chik-Fil-A Kick-Off Classic or Chik-Fil-A Bowl……
practically EVERY OTHER WEEKEND……EVERY SINGLE FALL SEASON.

MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA-SSIVE !!

Hell, Sonny Perdue would practically demand it.

If invited, I think D-Rad would move GT “back” to the SEC…in a flash.

HBTD

April 29th, 2010
11:43 am

Besides, who in the SEC would want to travel to that crappy little stadium every other year + run the chance of getting mugged. Can you imagine the disappointment of teams and their fans from schools like Bama, LSU, Tennessee and Florida showing up to the crackerbox with crowds of less than 50k? It’s a no brainer…………keep’em where they’re at and let’em keep beating up on the weak sisters of the A She She and feeling good about.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
11:43 am

catsfly, I’m a Tech alum, and I’m 100% for Tech going back to the SEC. I think most Tech alums who remember our days in the SEC would agree with me; I don’t know about the younger ones.

Carolina Jacket, I was there when Joe Auer dropped that pass. OMG !!!

Delbert D.

April 29th, 2010
11:44 am

Not only are Ole Miss and Miss. St. not AAU, they weren’t in the list of 128 schools, and were therefore “3rd tier” as the report put it.

Less relevant: Kennesaw State has higher enrollment (23,500) than those two, and also Vandy and Arkansas.

UGABoy

April 29th, 2010
11:46 am

ramwrecksf
You are such a Retard.
try watching ESPN or reading SI.
Academics? This is a sports blog not a Nerd Blog!!!!

GTville

April 29th, 2010
11:51 am

Why does everyone think the SEC is that great? They are good, but not all the way through. I would only be excited about playing the top 6 teams (football); 5 in ACC; only 3 in Big10. The bottom 6 are no more interesting than the bottom 6 in any other conference. Basketball no issue ACC is better. Baseball probably equal. Stadium/fan support is definitely better in the SEC. Here is a conference comparison:

Florida FSU Michigan
Alabama Miami Ohio State
Tennessee Va Tech Penn State
LSU Clemson Iowa
Georgia GT MI State
Auburn UNC Wisconsin
SC UVA Purdue
KY BC Minn
MSState NC State Illinois
Miss Maryland Indiana
Ark Duke Northwestern
Vandy Wake Forest

Ga Native

April 29th, 2010
11:58 am

t3, well said.

every sec team would bring huge numbers of fans(and their money)
into atlanta.

the economic impact of 15,000 to 25,000 “tourists” coming to atlanta every other weekend for games against tech would be unbelivable.

like you said, it would be just like a bowl game every other weekend.
milions of new “tourist” dollars brought into the state every year.

AlabamaRamblinwreck

April 29th, 2010
12:03 pm

Dawgs will never want us in the SEC, because they know that generally this is a recruiting advantage, and they sure don’t want us to have any positive impact on our recruiting. I would love to see us in the SEC, even though it would probably be tough sledding for some time.

The Big Ten might be interested in Tech, but I just cannot imagine how this would be a benefit to GT.

wiley

April 29th, 2010
12:07 pm

Tech would benefit from being brought back into the SEC. Those who claim tech would be like Vandy are misguided. Tech recruits way better athletes than Vandy and we have an established heritage of above average football. Georgia Tech is tied with UGA for 13 straight bowl game appearances, and we are also in the top 30 all time of all NCAA football programs. The stats prove that Tech can have success…and they just won a conference last year with far more talented teams…like FSU, Clemson, and VT. Vanderbilt has been to 4 bowl games in the entire history of their football program….please quit comparing a traditional football school…like GT…with a school like Vandy. Im sure Tech can do no worse than Vandy, MSU, Ole Miss, and Arkansas. Not every program in the SEC is good…I think GT would add some more heritage and class to the SEC. Just my opinion.

T3

April 29th, 2010
12:10 pm

Native:

Exactly.

GT back in the SEC wold bring millions of dollars of new consumer spending into the City and the State.

It wont be long before you’ll see the Atlanta Chamber of Commerce, the Georgia State Legislature and the City of Atlanta (which are ALWAYS looking for new “tourist” money)to start advancing the idea of bringing GT back to the SEC.

Sam

April 29th, 2010
12:10 pm

T3, I am sure the PAC 10 has to expand. They need a better TV deal. I do not see any schools geographically that add much to the conference. Fresno State, Boise, etc bring nothing to the table. The PAC10 already has the CA TV markets dominated. The population of Idaho would not add a lot of viewers (Boise is not a very big school). There was talk of BYU, Utah or Colorado. CU might add the Denver market (a good addition), but I am not sure either Utah school brings in the kinds of numbers.

Also, I like that the PAC10 teams play a true round robin. With a round robin, there is no need for a championship game–something that I think is vastly overrated. It has worked for the SEC and the Big 12, but the ACC’s has been a disaster. Heck, my recommendation is that if the SEC were to take 2 schools, the ACC should return to 10 schools and play a round robin and accept that the championship game was a failure.

I think the SEC championship game can hurt the SEC in that the loser might not get a BCS bowl invite that would have come at the end of the season.

AlabamaRamblinwreck

April 29th, 2010
12:13 pm

Doug: I would like an update on Chris Jackson’s status and whether CPJ can see him contributing much in 2010.

Also, will JC Lanier get to play any nose tackle this fall? How is he progressing? Has Barnes improved any from last year? Is he taking the conditioning program seriously enough?

Has CPJ definitely made a few decisions not to redshirt any of the 3 freshman that started school in January?

Thanks.

We go to college to get a career

April 29th, 2010
12:15 pm

Tech being in the SEC would not really help them. Initially, they possibly would get more quality players but CPJ would have to junk the Bone, because D side speed kills it. Usually, a schooll will employ tha Bone in order to get a gimmick ball control scheme going to win some games, against “better” opponents. This gimmick has worked well in the ACC because it is small ball. Dwyer going in NFL round 67 or whatever proves that the Bone is small ball or gimmick ball. The NFL scouts know this and his draft position says it all. I cannot mitigate that for you techers. Sorry that you were humiliated by that. Chins up !!

Tech was ACC Champion and they ended up like 17th and that is like being the Mid America Champion ……….you end up around 21st at 11-2. No respect does the ACC have outside of Atlanta, Charlotte, Durham, Greenville or Winston Salem or maybe small towns in VA, MD. Penn St is THE favorite school in Baltimore, for example.

As for the inferior education i received while at UGA? I retired at 55 folks and love my sail boat and playing golf at Lake Oconee.

Go Dogs.

dcjacket

April 29th, 2010
12:15 pm

If Tech is so inferior, why is it that:

a. So many UGA fans tout that GT would not fare well with in the SEC, and should not be included in the mix?; and

b. CMR has to release a press release to talk about how good the Dawg program is and highlight their recent recruiting efforts in state?;

c. UGA has to throw significant dollars to get at a DC who at best has limited if not questionable success, and who was a fifth or sixth choice.

d.etc., etc. etc……

The short answer is that in recruiting it makes Tech more compelling and competitive because of the additional dollars because of the SEC affiliation.

Doug, I disagree regarding your perspective of GT not being a fit. Vandy who is still widely considered an elite academic institution is not adversely impacted by the SEC affiliation. I do not see Tech being adversley impacted or losing any stature due to the affiliation. GT athletically would benefit and provide value to the SEC. The FB team would be competitive and fair well against the current members with the exception of maybe Ala or UF. As mentioned, it would also make the last game more meaningful. Our other programs would also add luster and credibility to the SEC. Adding GT, Clemson, FSU, and Miami would lock down the Southeast.

Finally, why would the SEC expand. Why not, especially if the the Big Ten is contemplating it and beat them to the punch. I would suggest the options the SEC has are more attractive than the Big Ten (ie. Pitt, Missouri, Syracuse, W. Virginia, etc).

DAWGLOVER

April 29th, 2010
12:18 pm

First let me say I have not read ALL these posts, so some of what I say may have been said. Next, this is not a Tech blog, it is a Tech/SEC blog, therefore more than just Tech fans are commenting.
Now, realistically, I wish Tech had never left the conference. The relationship with UGA would carry much more importance to UGA fans today if that had not happened. Today, Tech has a small stadium by comparison, and struggles to fill it. SEC schools would not enjoy playing under those circumstances even if Tech paid the going rate to visiting teams. Visiting fans could perhaps get the allotted ten thousand or so tickets, which I am sure Tech would welcome for financial reasons, but in all probability Tech would at that point hate to give up so much of their capacity. Answer – only stadium expansion to at least 80,000 to begin with.
Next, being reasonable, why would SEC teams with the TV deals in place, want to bring in anyone else unless forced to because of expansion of other conferences? If that were to happen, when looking at the perhaps interest that might be secured from teams like Texas, Oklahoma, Texas A&M, Florida State, Miami and yes, Clemson and maybe North Carolina (long shot due to BB), Tech would find itself way down the list from the beginning. This is not bashing, just reality.
Tech has not proven itself in football year end and year out, playing against the kind of competition that is necessary most weeks as an SEC team, and would therefore end up much like Vandy in the standings. Yes, Tech fans have a higher opinion of their football program, but other schools don’t. It seems that winning occasionally against a top tier team does wonders for the Tech ego in some fans. One comment was that UGA did not play Alabama last year. UGA is in the SEC East, Alabama is in the SEC West. East and West teams play ALL teams in their division EVERY season, and rotate teams in the other division. This means that games like UGA/Alabama only come around, home and home, every six or so years.
Personally, again I regret Tech ever left the SEC. However, it IS difficult for some to gain entrance into Tech (the amount of foreign students is indicative of this), therefore many athletes that the SEC recruits could not gain entrance. Many cannot gain entrance into UGA today! Some SEC teams have higher requirements than others, academically.
The AJC will continue to promote this topic, BECAUSE it increases their rates due to the responses. We all fall into their hands with our responses, me included at times. On this subject I felt some degree of reason, not emotion, might make sense to some. Of course, to most it will not.

CatsFly

April 29th, 2010
12:20 pm

In my opinion, the better move would be Fl, SC and Uga to the ACC. All three of these schools want to grow their academic prowess and would more likely do so in the ACC. I’m sorry, but with a few exceptions, the closer colleges are to territorial boundaries, the better they are academically. Alabama, Ole Miss, Tennessee, are just not going to draw top notch students from other states. This is not to say that those schools cannot adequately educate the HS grads in that state; they simply will not draw the best outsiders. Duke, UNC, and UVa demonstrate this. All three draw top-notch students from all the surrounding states. I am sure that many of Georgia’s good students go to UNC, but very few NC students who could get in UNC would go to UGa.

MyWhiskeyClear

April 29th, 2010
12:22 pm

Your enrollment figure is off. Even if you’re only counting undergraduate enrollment, it’s not consistent across the board. Florida’s 50k student body is undergrad AND grads. If you count that way then GT has 20K+ as of last year.

T3

April 29th, 2010
12:31 pm

Sam: Agree.

ACC-CG has struggled significantly, but I think that is mainly because of location. Jax & Tampa have been less than optimal locations.

I think this season in Charlotte will be the REAL test for the ACC-CG.

ACC-CG was in Tampa last year ONLY because Charlotte had a previous commitment and couldnt accomodate the game this past year.

ACC-CG in 2010 should be really good since it’ll be in a much much better location for all ACC teams & fans.

If SEC ever decided to annualy rotate the SEC-CG between New Orleans & Atlanta, then perhaps Charlotte & Atlanta could rotate hosting the ACC-CG. Not quite sure why New Orleans & Louisiana havent pushed for that.

Reggie Ball for Heisman

April 29th, 2010
12:35 pm

Good, then we don’t have to waste a non-conference game beating you bumblebees every year.

30-24 Suck it Nerds

Talk, talk and blah, blah

April 29th, 2010
12:36 pm

UGa has a fine record, if you review just the last 13 years, for example. UGA has won at least 8 games or more and they did that with two coaches. Folks, if to win 8 games over 13 years is so unremarkable, why has tech NOT achieved that? NO SCHOOL beyond UGA can lay claim that this fact. No NCs for UGA but look at the MAJOR bowl revenue. Yes, we did so Shrevport and Shoneys was fabulous.

tech ………we DID NOT DOWNSIZE our stadium, so we could sometimes proclaim a sell out crowd.
That fact is true ……….tech got smaller …………..and they want to beg into the SEC?? They tired in the late 7os o get in the back door and the SEC slammed it shut. The SEC is the PDC of college ball, if you know what I mean ……..I’m sure that you don’t.

Welfare works ONLY with the Obamarons ………………got it?? The SEC is no welfare program, techies.

GT BABY

April 29th, 2010
12:38 pm

UGA=INDEPENDENCE BOWL……THAT’S ALL IM GONNA SAY TODAY.

wiley

April 29th, 2010
12:39 pm

We go to college to get a career…your bias makes your opinion completely invalid. The fact that you just compared a school like GT to a mid major is ludicrous. The ACC has been down for a few years but everything is a cycle. FSU, Clemson, and GT all have more recent football National titles than all but three members of the SEC…and no UGA is not one of those 3 schools. The ACC has had success in football and they will eventually have success again. FSU, Miami, Clemson, GT, and VT all have great football programs…all of them also have great football heritage. You should know this if your 55 like you stated? All of these teams/programs are perfectly capable of playing and competing on the biggest stage….they have proven it in the not so distant past and history tends to repeat itself.

Dawglasville

April 29th, 2010
12:41 pm

Here is a nice generic listing from USA Today for school rankings:

10. Duke, 17. Vandy, 24. UVA, 28. UNC and Wake, 34. BC, 35. Tech, 47. U.F., 50. Miami, 53. Maryland, 58. UGA, 61. Clemson, 71. VA Tech, 88. N.C. State, 96. Bama, 102. FSU, 106. UT, 110. USC, 128. Arkansas, UK and LSU.

wiley

April 29th, 2010
12:41 pm

Excuse me 4…forgot about 1994 Tennessee.*

wiley

April 29th, 2010
12:42 pm

GymDawg_HoodRat

April 29th, 2010
12:43 pm

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! We don’t need another member of the SEC please! We have this gym locked down! ya heard! We don’t be needing any more hoodrats competing against us hoodrats. We hood and we know this! UGA GymDawgs #1!!!! We be ballin!! Holla!

wiley

April 29th, 2010
12:44 pm

I WILL SAY THIS, TECH SURE AS HELL WOULD NOT BE PUTTING ON RINGS RIGHT NOW HAD THE BEEN IN THE SEC. NUFF SAID.

flagboy?

April 29th, 2010
12:45 pm

While we’re at it, why don’t we think about what we would do if we won the lottery?

Or how about if we got to be president for a day??

wiley

April 29th, 2010
12:46 pm

Dawglasville…heres the only one that matters.

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/national-universities-rankings/

but lets keep the topic on sports.

wiley

April 29th, 2010
12:47 pm

Obviously the post from 12:44 was not me. I am smart enough to turn caps lock off. Good job.

MyWhiskeyClear

April 29th, 2010
12:49 pm

Wiley, agree with you except that I’m sad to say that VT doesn’t have much of a football heritage. Before Frank Beamer no one had ever heard of a Hokie. An almost similar story is true of Bobby Bowden and FSU. I would say out of the whole of the ACC the strongest football history is found at programs like GT and Clemson. Duke had a good run back in the time when the likes of Suwanee were playing ball, but not so much since. North Carolina was a football name at one point, as were Maryland, Boston College, and Virginia. Taking college football’s timeline as a whole, GT and Clemson may be the strongest programs year in and year out for the ACC’s football heritage. I may be fuzzy on details of other teams, though.

dcjacket

April 29th, 2010
12:55 pm

“We go to college to get a career”, you may want to get your facts straight and be careful about making comparisons.

Time will tell whether Dwyer is successful in the NFL, but what really hurt him was being prepared for the combine and showing up in shape rather the “system”. If the system is a career killer, Thomas would have not been drafted and let alone in the first round as a WR. You know, WRs in CPJ’s system are glorified TE/OL and they can not run the routes, etc, etc.

Your reference to “small ball” and “ball controll” is very misguided. Yes, last year because of our defense. We had to controll the ball but we also had to have some quick strikes and we did on the ground and in the air against some good defenses/ teams.

In terms of recognition, you may want to look closer at the attention GT is getting national attention, along with Miami, FSU, VT and UNC. Yes, with reason the SEC is a better recognized brand, but your reaching if you think that Ole Miss, Ark, Ky, Vandy, USC, MSU garner the same attention.

Speed does not stop our offense in itself. In fact, it is a weakness. If your are trying to point to our short comings over the last couple of years, it specifically falls to the talent level on the OL or lack of and last year a very poor defense. For example, the last two years we have played with a converted TE at OT and along with some other converts on the OL. We are still a year or two away from being at a point of reloading rather than rebuilding. I’ll take our success over the last two years during rebuilding.

Finally, we still finished 13th not 17th or 21st last year as you indicate.

Sidney R. Hill, Jr.

April 29th, 2010
12:55 pm

I don’t have any idea if Tech would want to join the SEC or not, but I can’t see any reason they would get an invitation. Tech offers nothing to the SEC. Money? UGA already provides enough of the Atlanta TV market. Recruits? No SEC school seems to have any problem attracting Georgia high school athletes. Quality competition? I wouldn’t say that Tech is bad, but they certainly have no high prestige programs in any sport. I would say that they have found their natural home in the ACC: excellent basketball and mediocre in everything else.

wiley

April 29th, 2010
12:55 pm

Yeah I know the turkeys were not good before Beamer but he has been there for decades now…so their football heritage comes directly from his success as does FSU’s. Thats why FSU and VT get so much hype every year…because they have heritage. Bowden was at FSU for a quarter of a century…that’s heritage. I actually did a research project on Duke football…its kind of sad that they cant capture some of the past success. Duke vs GT used to be a big time game…during the 1940s and 1950s. I agree with GT and Clemson being the strongest year in and year out…just some SEC fans chose to ignore the history…I guess its because some of them are too young to remember the good ACC teams from 1980s and 1990s. The 2000s have been really rough on the ACC….

Tech Fan Since 1950

April 29th, 2010
1:02 pm

Tech has been there, done that, even won SEC Championships. It might make some sense to rejoin the SEC if an invitation were offered, but Tech is a much better fit academically with the ACC. Give the SEC schools some credit though with improved academic rankings in recent years (including UGA). I still say that if the folks in the Big Ten were really smart, they would look at Tech and Atlanta as an expansion option. They would be getting a top rated academic and research unit comparable to, if not greater than, most Big Ten schools. They would be entering a top media market and most of the Big Ten schools have a fairly large alumni base in Atlanta. I do not think the travel issues would be so great financially, if a big tv contract was paying the tab.

Lets see...

April 29th, 2010
1:05 pm

how do patrons at Krystal fit in at Bones? Why would Tech want to go back to Krystal? I mean the SEC?

dale

April 29th, 2010
1:07 pm

why would the SEC want to expand with a school with a 2nd rate stadium in a crime riddled campus where students are carjacked, mugged, on a daily basis, a 3rd rate fan base, a high school offense and a coach who constantly screams G– D— on the sidelines. Lets get real.

Savannah Jacket

April 29th, 2010
1:25 pm

Can we please stop all of the BS and keep to the topic of questions about GT Football?

I would like an update on the status of Ben Anderson, and Robert Hall. Will they be ready to play by summer.

How is Nick Claytor doing? I haven’t heard his name this spring and last fall he had a nagging back/hip thing going on.

How is Cooper Taylor? Is he back to 100% and will he be able to play? Also did he get his medical redshirt that was requested last year?

How is Nesbit after the ankle surgery’s? When is he expected to be back to playing shape?

Thanks for the insite Doug. We appreciate you keeping us up to speed on things during the long slow off season times.

DawG

April 29th, 2010
1:27 pm

That wing-t highschool crap won’t work in the SEC! You saw how they were exposed by Iowa a SLOW BIG TEN defense the SEC is to fast. Put Alabama’s defense from last year against Tech’s offense from last year they don’t score a single point!PERIOD

Savannah Jacket

April 29th, 2010
1:27 pm

Oh yeah, one last question. I read that Daniel Drummond has to serve a 10 game suspenion next season but I haven’t heard the true reason, everything thus far seems to be speculation. Also is he practiing with the team or how is that going?

Shug

April 29th, 2010
1:32 pm

I’d love to see Tech get back into the SEC, but I don’t see the upside from the SEC perspective. Atlanta and the state of Georgia are already SEC saturated territory.

By the way, don’t the reasons that Tech left the SEC back in the 60s still exist?

Minnesota Dawg

April 29th, 2010
1:33 pm

Let them come on in! It would make the rivalry between Georgia even more intense. Go Dawgs!

Tech in SEC funny

April 29th, 2010
1:40 pm

Would finish with 3 or 4 wins yearly in front of Vanderbilt.

HBTD

April 29th, 2010
1:40 pm

Doug. LOL You say………..

The Jackets have faced the Bulldogs with “MIXED” results. 1 and 8 over the last 9 years is “mixed”. Hopefully no one in a decision making postion would ever consider asking tech to join the SEC. Neither their fans nor their players are anywhere close to being of a SEC claiber

YELLOW HAMMER

April 29th, 2010
1:41 pm

tech had their chance and chose to leave the sec ,does anyone really think they deserve another chance after leaving the way they did? WHO’s old enough to remember why tech left the sec ? they couldnt take the beatings every week that the sec gave them. i/e bama , bobby dodd cryed about bama being to rough,so no tech to the sec ,they’ll just leave again after the beatdowns start pilling up. just sayin

Phoneguy71

April 29th, 2010
1:45 pm

Stay in the conference where you can ocassionally win some games and a conference title. You wouldn’t cut it in the BIG BOY S.E.C. Stay where you’re at. Save what little dignity you still amazingly have.

Go Dawgs!!!!!

EEJacket

April 29th, 2010
1:47 pm

If the the big tleven goes to 12, then we’re alright. However, given the greed factor, that’s extremely unlikely to happen, and they’re probably going to take Pitt Rutgers and the cuse. When that happens, the Redneck conference is going to snatch Climpson and FSU (or climpson and texas if they can get their hands on them). I’d be EXTREMELY surprised if they even called us, given our smaller-school status, and the fact that we’re not a bunch of angry hicks. However, if Mike Slive considers the academic side of things and decides that he wants to try the whole “research” thing out (as far as I know none of the SEC schools put as much emphasis on that as we do) then I could see them picking up the phone.

AlabamaRamblinwreck

April 29th, 2010
1:47 pm

“Neither their fans nor their players are anywhere close to being of a SEC claiber” is from HBTD’s diatribe above.

This made my sides hurt when I read it. And the misspelled word at the end just topped it off beautifully. Thanks, HBTD, for a great laugh.

davis

April 29th, 2010
1:47 pm

uga fans want to complain about us not getting rings if we were in the SEC??? either way we would sure get closer than uga will. oh, one more thing. When was the last time that uga was in the SEC championship? and if you think you could beat us so much then why wouldnt you want us in the confrence?

GET Real

April 29th, 2010
1:52 pm

Tech could only beat UGA 1 time in the past 10 years and there are better teams in the SEC then UGA so why would anyone believe they would not be at the bottom of the barrel in the SEC?

Joe

April 29th, 2010
1:54 pm

Some people may want Tech to join the SEC, but I highly doubt ANY of the schools mentioned would willingly leave the comfort of the ACC for another league. But keep dreaming…

41

April 29th, 2010
1:55 pm

Trailer trash = SEC “caliber”

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
1:56 pm

yellowhammer, when Tech left the SEC, we had winning records against every school except Alabama. And Tech had more SEC championships at that time than did UGAG. Tech left the SEC for several reasons: first Bobby Dodd believed Tech could make more money as an independent (Greed), second, Dodd didn’t like the recruiting restrictions placed on Tech, NOT the NCAA but, by the SEC, and lastly because of his feud with Bear, mainly due to Bear’s refusal to discipline Darwin Holt for his ATTACK on Tech’s Chick Granning in 1961. The feud with Bear ended, and in the 70s, Bear actually sponsored Tech’s bid for re-entry to the SEC. It was, however, vetoed by the Mississippi schools and by none other than Vince Dooley, who didn’t want Tech regaining the pre-eminent position it had had in the state of Georgia prior to Tech’s leaving the SEC.

Dawglasville

April 29th, 2010
1:59 pm

Wiley That was the website I used for my information. I’m fine with sticking to sports but academics got pulled into this by quite a few bloggers.

Phoneguy71

April 29th, 2010
2:01 pm

EEJacket….. Seriously “Climpson”…..seriously? LMAO
So much for the “Superior Education” with Tech Alum and fans. The grammar on here is hilarious. Its like I’m typing a conversation with my 9 yr old.

YELLOW HAMMER

April 29th, 2010
2:02 pm

there you have it , i didn’t know (remember) that tech had tried to get back in the sec already ,so for the 3rd time dont come back

Dawgforlife

April 29th, 2010
2:03 pm

I love how the tech fans love to point to the Independence bowl….It hasn’t been that long ago that tech would have loved the Indeoendence bowl…running out to California and getting your head handeed to you…playing on the blue smurf terf and getting your head handed to you…13 straight bowl appearences but what is your record in those bowls? and what top notch bowls they were

BamaBill

April 29th, 2010
2:04 pm

If the SEC were to expand, I personally would rather see FSU and VT join much more than Clemson and GT. As was stated earlier, Atlanta and the state of Georgia are already pretty much SEC territory..Why in the world would the SEC want Clemson is beyond my comprehension..

Phoneguy71

April 29th, 2010
2:04 pm

supersize that order, mutt Nice going “Ramble ON”. You’re so transparent. Got that off a Tech website eh?

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
2:05 pm

Dawgforlife, Tech really has no control over which bowls we are invited to. That’s the result of the lousy bowl contract the ACC has. Regardless, however, Tech SHOULD win those games but unfortunately, for whatever reasons, has not lately.

59jacket

April 29th, 2010
2:05 pm

Doug, How did Chris Jackson (the transfer from Alabama) do in spring training? Nothing was mentioned about him in any of the publications covering Georgia Tech.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
2:07 pm

Phoneyguy, I don’t know what you’re talking about. Those are facts that I am well familiar with, because I was around both when Tech left the SEC, and when Tech attempted to rejoin it. I don’t need to look things up on a website. I know my history. Apparently you don’t.

CatsFly

April 29th, 2010
2:07 pm

I agree that pre-PJ UGa had the upper hand on Tech, although there were some very close contests the previous past 10 years. However, over the past two seasons, and looking at the upcoming season, I don’t see that UGa has demonstrated the upper hand. I could care less about the past. Both teams have had their strong periods over the years. But as of the last three years, UGa=Tech in
demonstrated performance. Talk is cheap.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
2:07 pm

BTW, “Phoneyguy” was actually a mistype, but I liked it so much, I left it. LOL

vahokie

April 29th, 2010
2:09 pm

GT sucks couldnt win one game in the SEC

Phoneguy71

April 29th, 2010
2:09 pm

Well said Bama Bill. Clemson occasionally shows flashes but just can’t make the jump. Maybe the new coach will get em going? But I agree maybe FSU and VT. Hell.. ditch Vandy and bring in UNC.

Dawgforlife

April 29th, 2010
2:10 pm

Supersize…that was a different time Bobby Dodd is not walking through those doors and most every UGA fan I know of would dearly love to have tech in the SEC…We need another conference win. 7-23 is tech’s record against UGA in the Dooley/Richt eras. you have not been able to compete with UGA and being out of the SEC is not the reason for it. But, just think if it was….what if moving to the ACC did cause Tech’s slide into mediocrity?…wow, then you would have the great Bobby Dodd to blame for so great a slide…maybe, he should have played nice with the “Bear.”

Ogre

April 29th, 2010
2:11 pm

I’d love for Tech to join the SEC. It would give UGA an automatic conference win every year.

Dawgforlife

April 29th, 2010
2:15 pm

supersize, just like for UGA, the control both scholls has is winning games…win games get a good bowl…it still gets on my nerves that UGA had to go to the Independence Bowl…but, if we don’t want that bowl…we simply have to win more games…I was making the point that tech fans throw up the Independence bowl with no room to talk considering the bowls tech has had to endure.

CatsFly

April 29th, 2010
2:16 pm

Phoneguy71, “bring in UNC”. You don’t “bring in UNC”, you would “beg” them to come. And you know what their reply would be. They would sooner play with just the “big four” than leave the ACC.

Phoneguy71

April 29th, 2010
2:16 pm

Whew!! Man.. all this talk about “the past” has got me thinking: I wonder what I was doing back in the 70’s? Oh yeah… pooping my diaper.

Phoneguy71

April 29th, 2010
2:19 pm

the only thing UNC is good at is B Ball… thats it! The point I was making is even with their futile attempt at “what they call football” would be better than having Tech in the SEC.

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 29th, 2010
2:19 pm

whatever phone guy. I Have know idea what you’re talking about.

Too Easy

April 29th, 2010
2:21 pm

At least the gnats would fill their stadium more often, and could save the Cokes and hot dogs.

NC Dawg

April 29th, 2010
2:28 pm

When you leave the SEC (as GT did) you can’t return. The answer is no.

HugoStiglitz

April 29th, 2010
2:28 pm

Phoneguy71, UNC is the 28th rated college in the country academically, and number 5 among public schools. They are also a member of the AAU. They are a very strong academic school and they have one of the best basketball programs of all time. Why in the world would they be interested in joining what is basically a football conference?

Bama2010

April 29th, 2010
2:33 pm

Really, GT is a perfect fit for the SEC. All this nonsense about new markets, etc. is stupid. We all see what ‘new markets’ in Miami and Boston did for the ACC. Squat. GT is a founding member, great academics, and is geographically a perfect fit.

The Truth...

April 29th, 2010
2:34 pm

Ramleon said “Somebody has to man up to UF” LMAO!!! Tech, why don’t you man up to UGA before talking about manning up to UF… 8 of the last 9 have been LLLLLLLLLLL’s

Bama2010

April 29th, 2010
2:35 pm

Also – if you look beyond football, which Tech is traditionally good it. The school is also good to great at every other sport. Basketball, baseball, golf, tennis, etc. Tech brings more to the table in sports excellence than any of those other teams mentioned.

You're joking, right?

April 29th, 2010
2:37 pm

The SEC is a bug free zone. Let’s hope it stays that way forevermore.

L.S.

April 29th, 2010
2:37 pm

SEC would acquire Georgia Tech, Clemson and Florida State

ACC would acquire Syracuse, Rutgers and Connecticut

Big Ten would acquire Pittsburgh, West Virginia and Missouri

Big 12 would acquire Memphis, New Mexico and Colorado State

Pac-10 would acquire Hawaii, Nevada and Utah

My Wild Cards: Boise St., Brigham Young, UNLV, Houston, Tulsa and Miami-FL

Other teams would remain.

Any thoughts???

Tony

April 29th, 2010
2:37 pm

The day my alma mater lowers itself to joining that league of miscreants is the day I lose interest in its athletics.

SILLY UGA FANS

April 29th, 2010
2:37 pm

Sidney Hill you are a moron. How can you possibley say GT has no competitive teams in any sport? Please look stats up before posting things and making yourself look dumb.
As for entering the SEC it could be a double edge sword. Recruiting should get better, but that could take several years, and the fact that GT cannot get some of these elite SEC players simply because of academics. There was an article in 08 I beleive that listed the Fla. Gators SAT scores and well over half could not even be considered at GT. SEC fans can bash the ACC all you want and talk about how no elite undefeated teams come out of the ACC. Could it possibley be that the ACC has several good teams that threaten each other every weekend instead of two teams that slaughter their counterparts with or without ref help. GT is fine where it is for now and the future only looks brighter.

coachx

April 29th, 2010
2:39 pm

They would do great ! The SEC East needs anoter Vanderbilt to make the schedule easier.

UGA Student

April 29th, 2010
2:45 pm

Mactec Corporation: a $500 million dollar engineering firm based in Alpharetta. CEO and CFO? UGA grads. You Techie chumps need to get your facts straight, UGA is great academic institution and every bit of your hatred comes from the athletic domination of the last 20 years at the hands of the Dawgs. Get over yourselves, nobody but Tech fans believe in your “superiority”

the real Old Gold

April 29th, 2010
2:48 pm

We already know how they would fit in.. they are a founding member. 3 national titles, and more conference championships than Georgia.

YELLOW HAMMER

April 29th, 2010
2:50 pm

wed. april 28 . bama run rules #7 ga. tech in girls softball 13-1 in 5 innings= more beatdowns to come if tech wants to play the sec

UGA Student

April 29th, 2010
2:50 pm

And Supersize, if you truly were around for Tech’s departure from the SEC why do you not hold yourself to a higher standard than all of these other posters? Someone as old as you should know not to engage in immature banter. Im thinking that you are just another young fool who has harbored this false image of UGA and tries to plaster it in whatever arena you can. Pathetic.

GymDawg_HoodRat

April 29th, 2010
2:53 pm

Does Tech even have a Gymnastics Team?

Chan Gailey

April 29th, 2010
2:53 pm

If tech fans are as smart as they calim to be they would know that moving to the SEC would be a horrible decision. UGA has beaten Tech 8 of the past 9 years. The SEC is too good for stupid gimmic offenses like Tech runs. Maybe when Tech can fill their whole stadium of 50,000 there might be a conversation about them joining the SEC but until then those Asians from Tech can keep playing in the ACC.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
2:53 pm

Dawgforlife, actually I do blame Dodd for the slide—-first for pulling us out of the SEC then for being possibly the worst AD any school ever had. Remember, he hired Curry and was responsible for letting the facilities degrade as far as they did before Homer Rice came along and started the efforts to bring all of Tech’s athletic facilities up to standard.

GymDawg_HoodRat

April 29th, 2010
2:53 pm

Gooooooooo UGA GymDawgs! We run this state! #1#1#1#1!!!!

Boo-Boo

April 29th, 2010
2:53 pm

What asshat calls thyself “Bay Bay.” Should be called Boo-Boo after getting your ass handed to you 9 out of the last 10 tries. Stick to baseball because your football program sucks.

BULLDOGMANIAC

April 29th, 2010
2:54 pm

Tech would be the bottom dwellers of the SEC forever and ever!

DawginLex

April 29th, 2010
2:56 pm

GT in the SEC?

Basketball-top 4 right in with UK, UT, Vandy
Baseball-top 4 right in with LSU, Florida, Arkansas, UGA most years
Football-3rd or 4th in the East behind Florida and UGA and maybe SC depending on the year. Alabama, LSU would destroy them and Arkansas and Ole Miss would be competitive. They hang their hats on beating SEC schools when the reality is they only beat Vandy and MSU consistently.

Football-conference USA much better fit

Sweet Home Alabama

April 29th, 2010
2:56 pm

I would welcome them back and will personally put in a good word.

The Varsity would be attracted to the Bama clentelle.Plus we would crush the NERDS just like to do the MUTTS.Its all good when you are on top of the world.Joking aside Tech is a Fine school and it would help our conference grade point average.

ROLL TIDE ROLL…………

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
2:58 pm

UGAG Student, what immature banter are you referring to? If it’s that I slam you mutts whenever I get the chance, well, I hate to tell you, but that’s been going on for 100+ years by alumni of all ages. However, if you read my posts, you know that I also post facts, and not just opinions.

thoughts

April 29th, 2010
3:00 pm

L.S. – Why would the SEC want an odd number of teams. That doesnt make sense.

DawgForLife

April 29th, 2010
3:01 pm

Does anybody remember why they got out of the SEC to begin with? GREED……In the earlt to mid-60’s they decided they wanted to keep all their bowl money and not split the pot with any conference. That was about as dumb a decision as they could have ever made. They made their bed, now let them lay in it. They’re just lucky the ACC expanded, because without their revenue they’d probably be out of the athletics business by now.

HugoStiglitz

April 29th, 2010
3:01 pm

UGA Student, that is great. I also know a guy who went to Mercer who started his own business after college and is worth a few million dollars now. It doesnt mean Mercer is a better college then Harvard. Every college has examples of successful graduates. It doesnt make them all equal.

bigbad john

April 29th, 2010
3:02 pm

If tech were in the SEC they’d be better than the majority of the league, they’d be better than Vandy, Kentucky, Auburn, Tenn, Arkansas,
Miss State, Ole Miss, etc etc etc, I just hate when SEC fans build the conference up to be something that it is not. Sure its one of the elites, but Jeaze, its got 2 or 3 powerhouses every single year, the rest are just average football teams.

Sam

April 29th, 2010
3:02 pm

UGA adding a medical school is going to help a lot.

Also, Techies, better watch out, UGA is getting into the engineer business as well. http://www.onlineathens.com/stories/011710/uga_550617768.shtml

Let’s see where would I rather spend my college years? Athens or Atlanta?

Nickj0321

April 29th, 2010
3:03 pm

LOL at the dumb dawgs on this blog…did you guys just wake up? I know its tough working nights at McDonalds…

BigTimeTechFan

April 29th, 2010
3:03 pm

Mailbag question:
How did Tech’s final strength of Schedule rank last year, as compared to say UGA. What about next years schedule (preseason of course).

Tech moving to SEC – That would be interesting. See how Tech hard nose in your face, power/speed football would match against the SEC speed tactical, I would rather run around you then hit you football. I no Tech’s had pretty good SEC record the last couple of years, but would like to see what it would be like adding the real good SEC teams to the schedule. I Think Bama will play us in a couple of years.

bigbad john

April 29th, 2010
3:06 pm

Do we really care about softball and gymnastics anyways? The correct answer is NO! its all about football, so quit talking about the other stuff.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
3:10 pm

Sam, adding a satellite campus to the Medical College of Georgia in Athens won’t help UGAG athletics in the least. Besides, that addition was an empire-building move by Adams, supported unfortunately by Purdue. Putting a satellite campus there makes absolutely no sense at all, especially with all the other budget crunching going on in this state. I live in Augusta, and I can guarantee you that that move is not looked upon favorably here by even the UGA alums. Most of the students who will be enrolling in that satellite campus when it opens next year were PLACED there by the MCG administration; very few entering students want to go there. It is a total waste. However, that discussion is not for a sports blog; I just wanted to throw that in for your illumination.

AlwaysAVol

April 29th, 2010
3:12 pm

My Divisions:

SEC Elite: Alabama, Florida, LSU and Ole Miss Rotate every Year, Georgia, Tennessee, and Kentucky alternate every five or six years.

Sec Upper Middle Class: Georgia, Tennessee, Auburn, Ole Miss, LSU, Arkansas

Sec Lower Middle Class: South Carolina, Kentucky

SEC Homecoming Opponents Class: Vanderbilt, Mississippi State, GA Tech

HOUDAWG

April 29th, 2010
3:13 pm

Hey RAMBLE ON !!! And GT would ” man up ” to UF …….. what a joke !

Yeah , come back to the SEC & bring that HS Offense with ya …….. you’ll get slapped sideways to silly, at least in the 8 (or so) conference games. Welcome ……..

Ramblin Wrecker

April 29th, 2010
3:14 pm

I guess I don’t see the downside for the SEC or GT if they were included in a theorhetical expansion of the SEC.

GT would benefit financially and competitively (getting their brand more recognition and TV coverage) and the SEC would benefit from having an SEC team in the biggest SEC fan city (Atlanta). I’m sure individual SEC teams would like the opportunity to play two games in the state of Georgia (rich recruiting grounds) to get more exposure there.

The ACC has yet to compete nationally and if super conferences are on the way, the ACC will fade into obscurity. Would GT want to REALLY be in an also ran conference? What team (other than maybe Texas) would the SEC prefer than GT (along with FSU, Clemson & Miami)?

Ripped Off

April 29th, 2010
3:16 pm

The other day my little boy put a quarter in a machine to get one of those sticky eyeball things. He opened the little egg and started crying. I looked in his hand and found a brand new ACC chapionship ring. I want my quarter back!

Mama Says

April 29th, 2010
3:17 pm

If the SEC pulls Clemson, Fla St and or Miami—–Tech and Vr Tech would be destined to be in the ACC championship game every year—Tech would be crazy to leave the ACC. The ACC would fill those spots with Memphis, South Florida and a third very good mid tier team and run away with the money.

It will not happen for Tech now

April 29th, 2010
3:21 pm

Quick facts: Tech left the SEC in the 60s, so as to be able to recruit as many players as possible. The SEC had installed a player qty limitation. Tech, obviously, with their more narrow engineering track ( my dad and two uncles and grand pa were yellow jackets) had to deal in LARGER NUMBERS of players in order to be “competitive” by then. DODD DID THIS.

Anyway, over the years the NCAA tightened up all the schools with one standard qty on recruiting and it was of no use then for Tech to be w.o. a conference tie in. By the late 70s, they tried to re gain entry and the western SEC schools said no. LSU, Ole Miss and MSU BLOCKED it when UGA tried valiantly ( ole boy politics due to family tie ins like mine ) to allow Tech back. It failed.

Tech then joined the pathetic ACC. See? UGA has never feared Tech and in fact wanted them back in the conference. Tulane ALSO LEFT when tech did. In the good old days Tulane and tech and Vandy had higher standards than they do now. Tech then offered NO REC majors like they do now and Vandy did not allow their boys to attend Lipscomb College in Nashville then, in order to get 75% of their P.E teacher ( ED. Major ) credits, like they do now.

How many Tech players are majoring in Recreation??? AKA Playground Science. What were the courses of study for the three NFL drafted players? Be honest. Most REAL tech men that I know well would reveal this fact ………..but the UNEDUCATED kids that play on this site will just scream that UGA is full of jail birds. Fine. The kids here have not a clue about ANY college curriculum.

Most of the bloggers on this site are kids that attend NO university or NO Institute and it is they who post all the vitriol on here.
Gooooooooooooooooo Dogs. Sic em!!
Go Dogs.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
3:27 pm

“It will not happen,” sorry, bud but get your facts straight. The reasons you listed for Tech leaving the SEC are correct, as is your claim that the western schools did not want Tech back. HOWEVER, Dooley was the number one opponent to allowing Tech back in. Tech had Bear’s backing, endorsement in fact, and he could have swayed LSU, if not the Mississippi schools, but Dooley ruled the roost at that time, and he wouldn’t allow it. That is fact, NOT conjecture; it was printed in all the newspapers.

Dawgs Win Again

April 29th, 2010
3:34 pm

I wouldn’t call tech beating UGA ONCE (by 3 pts) legally since 1990 having “MIXED RESULTS” Dougie

HugoStiglitz

April 29th, 2010
3:36 pm

It will not happen, Tech doesnt offer a Recreation degree. You keep making stuff up though, if it makes you feel better.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
3:37 pm

“It will not happen,” some other facts you might want to consider. I don’t know where you got the idea that Tech had a degree program in recreation of “park sciences,” but take a look at the OFFICIAL list of Tech degree programs ( http://www.gatech.edu/degrees/ ) and you won’t see anything that could even be construed as that.

Bobby Cremins

April 29th, 2010
3:39 pm

Mississippi State’s stadium seats 55,000 the same as Bobby Dodd. Vanderbilt seats about 35,000. I believe Ole Miss’ stadium capacity is comparable to Tech’s. I think Tech would fit in just fine with the rest of the SEC.

Another History lesson for you young uns

April 29th, 2010
3:40 pm

Tech’s HISTORICAL RIVALS and I call out any tech man over age of 50 to dispute this:

UT- Bobby Dodd’s university
Auburn- Old, old, hard nosed rough, tough game over the eons. Not lately and not really since the 70s. Tech played Auburn about 8 or 9 years ago and was expected to blow Auburn out and they um got slaughtered and Auburn was so so that year. Great rivalary this used to be. Long time ago this WAS HUGE.
ALABAMA- Darwin Holt destroyed Chic Granning on a late hit and they had to rebuild the kid’s head. Bear Bryant was brutal in those days and his style and Dodd’s were as different as night and day. This game was BIG BOY BALL ………..i was around 9-14 in those days.
LSU- was huge BUT Dodd did not like going out west and they (LSU) did not like playing him in Atlanta and they are part to blame for Tech not being allowed back in the CLUB.
Ole Miss- Bad blood here also and same reasons …………..Ole Miss Coach Johnny Vaught was KING in those days and he rarely, rarely, rarely played Tech. Also Ole Miss BLOCKED Tech getting back in the CLUB. LSU and Ole Miss won the NC in 59 and 60 and they could command attention and get it. Bobby Dodd was second fiddle to them and the world knew it.
UGA might have been less of a rival in the 50s until Dooley DESTROYED Dodd’s DOMINANCE and Bobby tried to go independent where he could recruit UNLIMITED numbers of players in thos days.

I am a UGA man and now you young uns w.o. a clue have the skinny. Tech by joining the ACC was a giant step down for any tech grad back in the 60s and they have always known what I have said here on this blog. They are ashamed of the ACC and so MUCH desire getting back in THE CLUB.

Gooooooooooooooooooooooo Dogs.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
3:40 pm

“Dawgs win again,” first there was nothing illegal about any of Tech’s wins over the mutts, which you imply in your post. But regardless, I guess you consider the SEVERAL 3-point wins by the mutts over the Jackets during the years to be beatdowns, but any win (by no matter how many points) over the mutts to be a fluke. You are a typical hypocrite.

Paul

April 29th, 2010
3:43 pm

Doug – your enrollment figure for Georgia Tech is way off. It was 20,200 last fall.

Another History lesson for you young uns

April 29th, 2010
3:44 pm

Tech does offer a Liberal Arts curriculum, so get real. Park Science or Park Management or what ever tech cllas it ain’t Nuclear Physics.

Why is the truth so hard to come to grips with?? My nephew is in the MBA prgoram there right now and he told me this. He went under grad to Duke.

wiley

April 29th, 2010
3:45 pm

You guys do realize that over the last 15 years that Georgia Tech has a winning record against SEC opponents. Do you not remember us beating that hyped up auburn team in 2003? and 2005? We have a problem with UGA for sure but like I said we have a winning record against the SEC over the last 15 years. The evidence clearly suggest that we could compete in the SEC…take off the red colored glasses.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
3:47 pm

“Another history lesson,” why did you omit the fact that the last two times Tech played Auburn (in the past 10 years), Auburn was HEAVILY favored, but Tech won both times. Also, Tech didn’t join the ACC in the 60s; we were an independent for several years, and then a member of the late Metro conference, before joining the ACC in 1978. I for one am not ashamed of the ACC, but I would rather be back in the SEC, since we have more natural rivals in the SEC. I see no reason to be ashamed of Tech’s ACC championships in basketball, football, baseball, golf, and women’s tennis during the years of ACC membership. A championship in any sport in any conference is always something to be proud of.

Yakko

April 29th, 2010
3:48 pm

Why are all the arguments against Tech going SEC based on academics? This is an athletic conference realignment we’re talking about, not Academic Bowl or anything? How would playing South Carolina and Arkansas in football impact academics at Tech negatively?

Thought you guys were supposed to be smart.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
3:49 pm

“Another history lesson,’ once again I refer you to the link listing ALL of Tech’s degree programs….. http://www.gatech.edu/degrees/ . Yes, Tech offers SOME liberal arts degrees, but recreation and park science are not among them. I don’t care what your nephew says.

wiley

April 29th, 2010
3:56 pm

Another History lesson for you young uns…your history is way off. Tech didn’t join the ACC until 1978. I highly doubt the validity of your argument. Also I can speak from personal experience that liberal arts at tech are not easy. Sure they are easy when compared to Nuclear Physics and other engineering fields but the work load is still absolutely harder than most traditional liberal arts school. Georgia Tech professors make every class hard…ask anyone who has been there for an undergrad education. There are no easy classes…even health at GT is hard.

Dawg '88

April 29th, 2010
3:57 pm

They would be beaten like rented mules by the top teams but also lose occassionally to the others in the league to have few winning seasons…other than 7-5 or 7-6 records from time to time.

Hayseed Dixie

April 29th, 2010
3:57 pm

T3,

Selling Rophenol, red beer-bongs, Depends undergarments and Date-Rape How-To pamphlets atAthens tailgates would also make “millions”.

Just cause it makes money doesn’t mean it’s going to happen. Check out Division I football playoffs for further evidence of this.

HugoStiglitz

April 29th, 2010
4:01 pm

Yakko, its because this would not just be an athletic conference realignment. I would be in favor of a hybrid alignment like Notre Dame has where we could play football in the SEC but remain in the ACC for everything else but it doesnt work that way. Academics are part of the conference realignment which is why the Big Ten wont pursue a school like West Virginia. Its also why several schools would not join the SEC if offered. There is academic pride in a conference just like there is football or basketball pride in a conference.

wiley

April 29th, 2010
4:04 pm

Yakko, as someone who has worked in college athletics, compliance specifically, I can tell you that academics will be affected. In order to recruit like other SEC teams we will have to lower our academic standards. See when a student athlete looks at GT they have to be cleared academically, we refer to it as clearing the hill, by the admissions office and they have standards above the minimum NCAA requirements. You cant even get a commitible offer from GT with out being cleared by the hill. Recruiting at GT is not easy and Academics would absolutely have to be sacrificed in order to compete in the SEC. There was a recent report in the AJC that showed Georgia Tech had the highest football SATs out of all public universities…this wasn’t a coincidence. Hope that cleared up your misconceptions..

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 29th, 2010
4:06 pm

wiley speaks the truth. Thank God for the exam curve.

Dooley's record vs Dodd

April 29th, 2010
4:07 pm

Help me Jackets …………Dooley as UGA head man NEVER LOST to BOBBY DODD, so why, why, why would be block??? tech trying to regain entry into the SEC? He OWNED TECH, HE OWNED DODD and his Jack Daniels bottles and HE OWNED State of Ga in recruiting. WHY?

That is dumb old pal. You need to go out and hit a golf ball.

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 29th, 2010
4:09 pm

well, I was refering to wiley’s other post.

I don’t think we have to lower our acedmic standards to recruit. We’ve had some pretty good recruiting years recently. Two 1st round draft picks here recently wiley

Dawgs Win Again

April 29th, 2010
4:11 pm

If you need to call up Joe Hamilton about the inelgible players from 98-00, be my guest. So what I said was correct, other than 08, tech hasn’t beaten UGA legally since 1990. Those games can be thrown out and you know it. If it were inelgible UGA players, you know darn well the nerds would not count the games. One win in two decades haha

allenlaw

April 29th, 2010
4:13 pm

The best SEC scenario is to have the three leading Florida Schools and Ga. Tech and send South Carolina back to the ACC. Imagine a 14-team SEC. Move Vandy to the West and add FSU to the West. Add Miami and Tech to the East. Now that would be a great conference.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
4:14 pm

“Dooley’s record,” I have no idea why Dooley blocked Tech’s re-entrance into the SEC, but the fact is that he did. You will have to ask him his reasons for doing so. If you doubt what I am saying, check some newspaper archives; you will see that what I say is true.

Um, ah, like um, How is tech's GRAD rate??

April 29th, 2010
4:14 pm

SATs matter not ONCE the kid is in school. . What does the student achieve at a university like UGA or AUburn or at Ga Tech? Can he do the work and if not, then why IS HE THERE? Was he like with CPH just brought there to play ball? A kid ( JOCKS from poor areas ) SHOULD BE given special attention in order to advance fairly and squarely.

Tech does not graduate their kids and is in the BOTTOM nationally with this. It is either scandalous because they were ill equipped intellectually in ths first place OR they are left to their own devices so long as they remain current students in order to play ball, then turn pro. Which is it tech??

Your graduation % is scandalous and speaks volumes about the insitute’s overall values. Ball is first, school is secondary. When do Dwyer and Morgan and Burnett graduate and with what degree??

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
4:16 pm

“Dawgs win again,” I guess all UGAG’s wins during the Jan Kemp and Jim Harrick eras were illegal too, so they shouldn’t be counted. Well ???

wiley

April 29th, 2010
4:17 pm

Oh I know. Those two kids were actually very smart, and just happened to be exceptional football players. Unfortunately, most elite level players are not always the smartest individuals…its just the way it is. I just don’t think we can find enough talented and smart kids to have SEC caliber D and O lines with the current academic standards. In order to compete in the SEC we would need to recruit more elite athletes and build depth like UGA, UF, Alabama, etc in the trenches. Can I get an amen? Look at their lines…they are all stock full of four star players. We would have to recruit like that if we want to compete…just my opinion.

wiley

April 29th, 2010
4:19 pm

Um, ah, like um, How is tech’s GRAD rate??….our graduation rate for regular students is in the 70s. It just shows how hard the curriculum is here…you wont understand unless you were an undergrad at Tech. Nice try though.

Get Your Facts Straight

April 29th, 2010
4:21 pm

The FACT about Dodd & GT leaving the SEC had to do with
Dodd’s belief that, if GT offered a student-athlete a scholarship, if that SA got hurt and was unable to play any more college ball, that GT should HONOR that scholarship and let the SA keep the scholarship, continue his education at GT, and not take away what had been granted.

The rest of the SEC, especially Bama, chose to limit the number of scholarships, but keep the right to take away the scholarship if the SA was injured and could no longer play ball.

The “Bama” approach resulted in what Dodd abhored, essentially scholarships became a tryout system. Bama’s approach was to offer lots of scholarships, then cut those scholarships down during Spring or Fall practices, essentiall a tryout system.

Does “The Junction Boys” ring a bell with anyone ??

Thats why Dodd wanted and needed unlimited scholarships, to offset Bama’s and the SEC’s “plantation” method of recruiting.

Bryant gave Dodd his word that he would press the SEC to follow that rule by having the Alabama President advocate for it. Bryant “stabbed” Dodd in the back by going back on his commitment to Dodd.

For Dodd to keep his commitment to the scholarships awarded, he knew GT would end up in a losing proposition, maintaining an academic & athletic standard that the SEC was unwilling to follow.

BehindEnemyLines

April 29th, 2010
4:23 pm

Said it before, I’ll say it again — please trade Clemson for Vandy. Both schools would be a better fit in the other’s conference. As for GT in the SEC, that would be a horrible mistake for GT in numerous ways, surely TPTB have more sense than that.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
4:25 pm

“Get your facts straight,” that is 100% CORRECT. But refresh my memory–who or what were the “junction boys”?

DaveDawg

April 29th, 2010
4:44 pm

The SEC doesn’t want Tech. They should band with Memphis, Louisville, Cincinnati, South Florida and, eventually, Georgia State to form a league of lame city-campus schools.

Reality Check

April 29th, 2010
4:50 pm

The SEC would never want a school like GT. They already have Vanderbilt why bring in another mediocre team. The SEC already has the Atlanta market, there are ten times more UGA, Auburn, UF fans in Metro Atlanta than GT fans. GT is nice program better suited for the ACC than the SEC. For all of your put downs towards UGA, you have lost 8/9 to them so I would just shut my mouth about Georgia. Kinda like UGA fans should keep quiet about UF until they can at least win more than once every five years.

Pitbull

April 29th, 2010
4:51 pm

Tech came crawling back to the SEC in the early 1980’s asking for readmittance after they failed miserably as an independent following Bobby Dodd pulling Tech out of the SEC in 1966.

The SEC told them to go to hell and they did – straight to the ACC.

Tech thought they were too good for the SEC in 1966 and although the media may have short memories of convenience, the SEC does not.

We do not want the Tech scum in our conference. Let them join the Sunbelt Conference. THWGT

Tech Guy

April 29th, 2010
4:53 pm

Tech should not return to the “Knucklehead League”.

Big B CH 99

April 29th, 2010
4:54 pm

I’m a Tech student and I think if the opportunity arosed to rejoin the SEC we’d have to take it. This is assuming that the re-alignment happens like it’s been talked about, & the ACC is completely raided, like Clem, FSU, & Miami all leaving. If that happened we have to go, if not become one of the only good teams in a conference that may lose it’s BCS standing. No Clem, FSU, or Miami & the ACC probably is no longer a BCS conf. so GT would have to go. If U ever want to compete nationally U can’t be the only good team in a bad conference (Boise will never play for a NC b/c of this)

UGASlobberknocker

April 29th, 2010
4:56 pm

I think Tech belongs in the SEC and would like to see it; I think most of their fans would like that as well. But it will never happen. The academic snob factor at Tech will keep them in the ACC where they can pretend like they are on the same academic level as Duke and Wake Forest(when actually their SAT freshman average is much closer to UGA then to those two schools..you can look it up).. Also being in the ACC lets Tech continue to have a ready made excuse any time that they suck..which ,last yr notwithstanding, is most of the time. It is the classic Tech crutch and theyre not gonna let it go. .

BAMA STAN

April 29th, 2010
4:58 pm

13 NATIONAL TITLES – 22 SEC TITLES!!!

I would love to see GT back in the SEC!!!

for many reasons!
- Geographically – a great fit
- Tradition
- GT would be competitive an all sports
- Economics – MAAASIVE is correct!!! GT would sell out home games against FLORIDA, TENNESSEE, AUBURN, ALABAMA, LSU, South Carolina, – and would be huge for GT.
- SELFISH – I love LIVE college football – and can not make it to Tuscaloosa for every game. Having BAMA rotate to Atlanta would be fantastic – and I would ove to go to Bobby Dodd to take in Florida/GT or Auburn/GT or Tennessee/GT or LSU/GT!!!!

TECH FANS – remember your home and home against AUBURN – you guys beat them twice!!!!! Bobby Dodd rocked!!!! Tech Fans were incredible!!

Now I ask you TECH fans – do you really – I mean really get excited when NC STATE, DUKE, WAKE, VIRGINIA, BC, UNC – VISIT BOBBY DODD?

Look at the convenience of travel for road games – if you want to watch GT play the following:
ALABAMA – 3 hours
AUBURN – 100 minutes
FLORIDA – 6 hours
Georgia – 90 minutes
South Carolina – 3 hours
Tennessee – 3-1/2 hours

your closest ACC oppoenent – CLEMSON – 2-1/2 hours – everyone else is 4 hours plus!!!

Would love to see GT back in the SEC!!!!

BigTimeTechFan

April 29th, 2010
5:07 pm

BAMA STAN – very good post, only issue is basketball we get ACC schedule which is more appealing then SEC.

Technophobia

April 29th, 2010
5:11 pm

Been there, done that and we won 5 SEC championships while we were there. We’d start beating UGA every year though because we’d still be the better school but we’d also be in the best conference so we would out recruit UGA and show them how to make use of all those 4 and 5 star recruits.

CDAWG

April 29th, 2010
5:14 pm

I think it would be a win for Tech to come back to the SEC. The ACC just doesn’t stack up to the SEC. I also think with Tech in the SEC it would help their recruiting, well sort of; they have to get rid of that little league offense first.

MACRO

April 29th, 2010
5:21 pm

Adding GT to the SEC might mean that many more SEC games on TV,
and more TV money.

RAMBLE ON!!!

April 29th, 2010
5:21 pm

CDAWG, your fleabags haven’t stopped that “little league offense” yet.

Techster

April 29th, 2010
5:21 pm

I’m in – no academic snob here – it’s an athletic conference that we were a founding member of and conpeted well in.

Convenience, Economics – and Big Time football – hell yes – I am in!!!

Also – last I heard – Vandy was rated as a top 20 Private school, Both UGA and Florida are top 25 Public Universities. GT is considered a top 10 public university – although we are a techincal institution (semantics).

Big B CH 99

April 29th, 2010
5:23 pm

It would help Tech basketball, instead of having to play the likes of Duke, UNC, & Maryland we get to play Kentucky and everyone else. With a real coach, GT & UK could dominate SEC basketball

Bama2010

April 29th, 2010
5:25 pm

If the Big10 expands Tech will be in the SEC by 2012 book it.

Alphare

April 29th, 2010
5:26 pm

If my research has much merit, Tech was better than UGA when Tech was part of SEC. I bet Tech will be back to its old glory if rejoin. Tech will be able to recruit better in SEC, and tons of Atlanta fans will be automatically Tech fans instead of UGA fans.

Atlanta is a major metro and college football capital. Tech is right at the center of football world, while UGA resides in a little sleepy town without even a major highway.

Yea, Tech rejoining SEC makes a lot of sense. Let’s play in Georgia Dome.

BAMA STAN

April 29th, 2010
5:40 pm

13 NATIONAL TITLES – 22 SEC TITLES!!!

BigTimeTechFan – you are correct – a trade off – basketball over football. football over basketball …..hmmmm!!!

Basketball National Titles:
last 5 years – acc 2, sec 2, b12 1
last 10 years – acc 4, bEast3, sec 2,b12 1, b10 1
last 16 years – sec 5, acc 4, bEast3, p10 2, b10, 1 b12 1.

no arguement on the deeper which conference has deeper talent – but sec can hold its own.

Just saying – I would like to see GT back in the SEC – wish they never left.

mike

April 29th, 2010
5:40 pm

The ACC saved GT when they were down, but unfortunately the ACC is spread out too far to develop good natural rivalries. If the ACC would change their divisions (North / South) and let GT play FSU, Clemson, Miami, Wake, and NCST every year, there would be no need to go to the SEC. Football wise, a southern ACC division would mirror the SEC East Division. Most GT fans just don’t care about playing Duke, UNC, and UVA every year. However, if given the choice, I’d prefer being back in the SEC. True most of the SEC schools have mega-stadiums, but GT’s lesser numbers may be more intense than lots of SEC fans give them credit for.

Warp Drive 1

April 29th, 2010
5:44 pm

I would want GT back in – SEC is the best football conference – and we are in the best location to be an SEC team. I was at the GT Auburn game – best game I have ever been to – totally electric – and the Auburn fans were great.

As for basketball – Florida, Kentucky, Tennessee, Mississippi, Vandy are no push overs – would be fun!

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
5:48 pm

I’m with you, mike, but I think if Tech were back in the SEC, stadium enlargement or replacement would be only a few years down the road. Don’t want to play in the GA Dome, but we might have to until we could get a suitably sized on-campus stadium. However, the way the east side of the stadium is built, a third level might be a possiblity there, and that alone would increase the capacity substantially.

Yakko

April 29th, 2010
6:11 pm

Wiley, your argument against moving to the SEC hinged on not dropping your academic standards for recruiting athletes. However, when confronted with the low graduation rate of your football team, your counterargument was that “70% of the regular students” graduated. While that’s all well and good, it still doesn’t address the low graduation rate among athletes. Your argument that academics among athletes would drop if GT were in the SEC holds no water if the academics for athletes are that bad already.

And please don’t throw that one guy on the football team who’s an aerospace engineering major into this conversation. One guy does not make a rigorous standard appear when there is none.

Georgia Tech — 27% graduation rate among football players.

So tell me again why y’all can’t come play big boy football with us? I want GT in the SEC, I want the UGA-GT to be earth shattering like TX-OU or BAMA-AU. Don’t you too?

Go Dawgs.

y

April 29th, 2010
6:15 pm

BamaStan the ACC has 5 in the last ten years. Duke(2001, 2010) Maryland(2002) and UNC(2005, 2009).

BAMA STAN

April 29th, 2010
6:21 pm

13 NATIONAL TITLES – 22 SEC TITLES!!!

y – YOU ARE CORRECT! Sorry about that – I left out Duke this year!

At any rate – the SEC is not as deep in basketball – but on any given year – we do hold our own – every conference will have a bad year.

Still – would love to have GT back in the SEC!

wiley

April 29th, 2010
6:25 pm

Hey I am all for joining the SEC. I just know the realities of recruiting at GT. Its a tough school academically…….even for the people who were great students with 1300+ SATs and valedictorians….I can tell you this from personal experience. These are the facts that I know…so how is my argument flawed again? Georgia Tech is a hard school where athletes struggle…it should also be mentioned that those results are compiled in a window no longer than six years. Most regular students take 6 years to graduate…especially when you switch majors.

Tech man

April 29th, 2010
6:27 pm

Tech is a top 10 team!! and uga is a top 35 team.With that said I don’t think Tech should merge into the sec beause that would take some of the fun out of the rivalry game and the sec ACC fight.

SILLY UGA FANS

April 29th, 2010
6:28 pm

yakko,
Just curios where you got your numbers and why you only want to post what you say is GTs %, but nothing for the dawgs. Not saying you are wrong, but I would like to see a link to know you are not pulling % from your arse. I believe you asked what degree Morgan, Dwyer, Thomas, and Burnett were getting. I have no idea if any of these young men are going to finish school, though they should, and I would also ask you how many UGA players that left early went back and finished. Have you seen Stafford around campus lately? I don’t get into the GT degree is better than UGA degree, it all depends what you are going to college for because they are both good schools.

UGA WHO?

April 29th, 2010
6:30 pm

Wait a minute, did i see a uga fan say we need to man up to uga first? Well seems to me 4 national titles, 3 acc championships, 5 sec championships from back when we and ala ran the sec and we just swept you in baseball. Come on dude, get a clue. Gt is a better overall program then uga is anyday…..and your known as a football school and we have more titles then you. Now what? Lmmfao!!

UGA WHO?

April 29th, 2010
6:33 pm

georgia tech just swept uga again in baseball…man this gets old beating uga in two of the 3 main sports…true you did win this year in basketball, but we win most. look at the overall series between uga and gt in baseball, basketball and football…then call me.

Tech man

April 29th, 2010
6:39 pm

UGA WHO..uga fans would not believe those stats..they think they are the best in there minds!!

SILLY UGA FANS

April 29th, 2010
6:44 pm

yakko,
This is an article I found and though it does state that GT is in the low catagory it’s not the 27% you claim.
ATLANTA (AP) — Georgia Tech tied with Texas for the lowest
graduation rate of any top 10 football team, according to the
NCAA’s latest report on the academic success of student athletes.
Texas, which is third in the BCS standings, and Georgia Tech,
which is seventh, each graduated 49 percent of their football
players who started classes from 1999-2002, meaning they earned
their diplomas within six years. Georgia Tech’s rate improved
slightly from 48 percent in last year’s report.
The University of Georgia’s graduation rate of football players
improved from 48 percent in the 2008 report to 57 percent.
Georgia graduated only 18 percent of its men’s basketball
players in the time frame, according to the NCAA figures. Georgia
Tech graduated 38 percent of its basketball players.

SILLY UGA FANS

April 29th, 2010
6:48 pm

If you can’t tell by the #7 ranking that was posted last year 11/09. Also just so you know players that transfer or enter drafts do not count toward that % as long as they are in good academic standing.

PirateOnPtree

April 29th, 2010
6:51 pm

No thanks, you can have the redneck conference to yourselves.

PEACHTREE ST.

April 29th, 2010
6:54 pm

LOL!!!! You mean the same GT that tucked tail and ran out of the SEC thanks to that coward Bobby Dodd since he went 1-6 against the Bear? Please, we know how this story ends. Especially since Tech fans like to preach how crappy UGA is, the same UGA they can’t ever beat!!!!

blake

April 29th, 2010
6:55 pm

Of course yechies don’t graduate. Heck, Dwyer “supposedly” has ADD but yet we’re supposed to believe he hung around Tech for 3 or 4 years “taking” classes? yeah right.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
6:57 pm

blake, do you have proof to the contrary? If not, then STFU

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
6:58 pm

Peachtree St, you’re a little late with your incorrect reasons for why Dodd pulled out of the SEC. That was covered comprehensively earlier this afternoon, and the losing record to the Bear had nothing to do with it. So, as I said to blake, get your facts straight or STFU

y

April 29th, 2010
7:13 pm

Hey Blake there is thing called medicine. Its new you should try it.

Technophobia

April 29th, 2010
7:26 pm

I started at Tech in 1980. At orientation they told us to look at the person on our right and then look at the person on our left. They then said “If you graduate, the two people you just looked at statistically will not graduate”. They were illustrating the fact that back then only about 1 out of 3 incoming freshmen would graduate and I remember them dropping like flies during the first year and to a lesser extent the second year. I don’t know what the current graduation rate for incoming freshmen is but if the athletes are graduating at a comparable or higher rate than the general student population I think the school is doing its job. Comparing Tech’s graduation rate to some of these diploma mills distorts the picture dramatically.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
7:43 pm

Technophobia, I got the same introduction to Tech in 1962. I don’t know about the two on either side of me, but I made it :)

kb

April 29th, 2010
7:47 pm

No Tech , no advantage adding a mid level program.

We own you

April 29th, 2010
7:52 pm

30-24

Don’t forget: we own you

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
7:53 pm

the SEC already has several mid-level programs, including UGAG

AlabamaRamblinwreck

April 29th, 2010
7:55 pm

Wiley is soooooooo right about Tech profs and the difficulty in getting a degree from the Institute.

Also, I won’t say this very often, because although married to one, I don’t agree with Bammers very often. But BamaStan is absolutely correct in his posts.

AlabamaRamblinwreck

April 29th, 2010
7:56 pm

And for you UGAGGERS, I also attended your school, and the undergrad courses there are like comparing a kindergarten to a high school….if you compare the difficulty with what I saw at Tech.

Stinger

April 29th, 2010
8:04 pm

hahahahahhaahhahahahahahah.I realy think that is a good joke!!!!

CatsFly

April 29th, 2010
8:05 pm

Hey, as far as I know, no one from the ACC wants to join the SEC and vice versa. If they do, let them stand up.

broken Stinger

April 29th, 2010
8:05 pm

WE couldn’t make it in the SEC. That is big boy football and we can barely fill the stadium.

kb

April 29th, 2010
8:10 pm

How can a program that loses year after year after year talk any smack bumblebee

SoCal Dawg

April 29th, 2010
8:23 pm

Tech stands to lose a lot. If the SEC adds 4 teams I don’t see Tech being one of those 4, not because of skill but because of money. After the SEC takes FSU, VT maybe Miami and Clemson that leaves Tech in a really bad football conference.

Tech Ole Timer

April 29th, 2010
8:31 pm

Savannah Jacket, you’re right – this conversation should be about football, not folderol. I hope Tech rejoins the SEC. UGA, I guess, hopes not. After all, Tech led the long football series with UGA by one game in 1963. Tech foolishly left the SEC the very next year.
Seventeen years as an Independent nearly destroyed its fine football program. Joining the ACC was an “any port-in-a-storm” decision.

SILLY UGA FANS

April 29th, 2010
8:50 pm

socaldawg,
VT has hardly been mentioned in any reports I have read, hence South Eastern Conference. I would agree that Miami might make for a better money draw if you go by the past, but since entering the ACC GT has owned them and Clemson has not done to well as of late. I would like just one dawg fan to state the truth, that being you don’t want GT back in the SEC simpy because the recruiting war would get that much tighter and instead of winning by one TD you might actually start to loss a game or two. Now go follow Auburn and get a limo and start that great instate recruiting UGA is starting now.
yakko I’m still waiting for a response. Does it really take this long to make up more numbers?

yes

April 29th, 2010
8:56 pm

@ Mike: Exactly. The ACC was too short sighted when they set up these divisions. Geographical re-alignment would fix a lot of what’s wrong with ACC football.

Casey

April 29th, 2010
8:58 pm

Tech would fit good if there ever was a playoff system. SEC should have 16 teams with 8 on east and 8 on west. Every one on each side plays each other and 2 non conference games. Then best in east plays best in the west for sec championship. The winner goes on to play in BCS playoffs. We know Tech can compete. In past few years they have beaten Auburn, Vandy, Miss St each 2 times and uga once.

SEC powerhouse not

April 29th, 2010
9:03 pm

I realize the SEC is looked upon as some powerhouse conference but lately, what has any of them done besides AL, FL and LSU with the latter not doing too much to be in that category? VT, Miami, Clemson, GT and FSU are just as tough to battle. The last time GT played Auburn, the Tigers were ranked 2nd in the country and GT with Reggie Ball still won the game. Are GT fans suppose to be in awe or intimidated? Should GT be in literal fear when facing SC, TN, GA, Arkansas, KY, Ms, Ms St, Vandy,? Think not. Didn’t even see UGA play Alabama on their schedule so did they honestly have it that bad? VT beat Tn and Clemson beat Ky who both beat UGA. If it means better revenue then I guess it is a good idea but I do not see better football opponents week in and week out, year in and year out. Maybe GT could stay in the ACC for basketball but really with the current coach the majority aren’t going to care one way or the other

truth

April 29th, 2010
9:04 pm

Tech would struggle in the SEC, let’s be honest. Last year’s vaunted Tech team wouldn’t have won more than 8 games playing an SEC schedule. Overall, Tech would have trouble winning 7 games most years, and certainly wouldn’t have their precious bowl streak.

BS Patrol

April 29th, 2010
9:04 pm

Phobia, I remember that same orientation well. I had a dorm mate who was valedictorian at his HS & went 3 quarters & out. I somehow managed to claw my way to matriculation. 1/2 my freshman class was gone after year one. To compare the two grad rates is folly.

Supersize,
You seem to to know your stuff.If you like college football,I would like to recommend the video “Junction Boys” & the book “BEAR”. They are a hoot. Also the book by Pepper Rodgers”Fourth & Long Gone”

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
9:06 pm

BS Patrol, thanks for the compliment. After not getting an answer earlier as to who the “Junction Boys” were, I GOOGLED it. Sounds fascinating, and I’m sure I would enjoy seeing the video.

SEC powerhouse not

April 29th, 2010
9:06 pm

Doug, do you and Barnhart honestly think there is a tougher schedule than what GT will play in 2010? I would like to see Alabama play at Clemson, at Va Tech, at UNC (with all their NFL juniors coming back) and at UGA, not to mention at Kansas too. So going to the SEC would be tougher than that? yeah right

SEC powerhouse not

April 29th, 2010
9:09 pm

I can see Alabama fans on here presenting their argument but dogpoops losing to Ky and TN who lost to Clemson and VT..you inbreds went from preseason number ones to the outhouse in two years…

SoCal Dawg

April 29th, 2010
9:13 pm

“Silly Dawg Fans” you are the kind of Techie that makes it very hard for me to pull for Tech, which I try to do except when I’ve spent some time reading ajc blogs. I believe that Tech does have the skill to play in the SEC, but not to win it. That is my honest assessment. Tech will not bring the fan base that the SEC is looking for… that is not a jab just the facts.

Slick

April 29th, 2010
9:23 pm

UGA Who @ 6:33pm:

I took your challenge and looked at the head to head in the 3 major sports. You sure you want to go there? Maybe you should have looked it up too before running your mouth. Tech holds the edge in only basketball and it’s probably slimmer than you would’ve guessed.

Tech Old Timer @ 8:31pm:

Why does UGA hope not? We play you guys every year anyway. How does it hurt UGA if Tech returns to the SEC?

Reality

April 29th, 2010
9:25 pm

I see no reason GA Tech should go to the SEC. Why lower our standards? Do we really want to be associated with jail birds?

The only 2 good teams in the SEC now are Alabama and Florida. Without those 2 teams, the SEC would fall below the Mountain West Conference.

There is nothing for GA Tech to gain.

Reality

April 29th, 2010
9:27 pm

Why is the ajc asking how GA Tech would do in the SEC? This rag is becoming more and more biased towards ugag and against GA Tech.

To be fair and balanced, they need to run a blog about why UGA should join the ACC!

SoCal Dawg

April 29th, 2010
9:32 pm

Reality you’re so funny… sad, but funny.

Big L

April 29th, 2010
9:46 pm

How would they fit in the SEC…….now? Well, since everybody is figring out that 4A offense, does Tech and Vandy , in the bottom of the heap bowl sound right.

George P

April 29th, 2010
9:48 pm

Tech left the SEC over scholarship limits. Since the SEC limits are no different than the NCAA at this point, no, the reasons don’t still exist. They didn’t exist in 1978, either.

I would love to see Tech back in the SEC.

Auburn is our oldest rival. When we quit playing them in the late ’80s we had played them more than any other team, and the record was darned close before Bill Curry became coach. They were the first team Tech played. They used to have a parade every year before the game. The Auburn game was important. And they’ve got what passes for an engineering school in Alabama.

When I was at Tech in the late ’70s and early ’80s we played, in addition to Auburn and Georgia (which was every year), Florida, Tennessee, and Alabama. These were, as far as I am concerned, our rivals.

As I like to point out to a friend of mine who is a Kentucky fan, we still have more SEC championships than they do, and they’ve had almost fifty years to catch up.

I’d love to keep playing Clemson, but, if it came to it, I’d take SEC membership over that.

Caleb King

April 29th, 2010
9:48 pm

I’ll tell you how tech would do vs. SEC competition, their D would give up 330+ rushing yards, get torched by CK4 and Ealey all night long. Total & complete domination by the men in red & black.

Thirty to twenty-four, all year long.

Tech man

April 29th, 2010
9:48 pm

Reality..I agree with you. Uga would have a lot of problems playing teams like NC,Miami,and VT.Let see what fans think about uga joining the ACC!!

Tech man

April 29th, 2010
9:55 pm

Caleb King..enjoy your smack talk while you can,because that is going to stop in NOV! You know as well as do that your muts could easily be 0 and 2 against CPJ.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
10:04 pm

I’d like to know who the hell has figured out Tech’s offense to the extent that they can consistently stop it. Iowa did a better job than anybody, and yet Tech still had a chance at the end. UGAG stopped the interior game in 2009 but did nothing on the outside or the passing game (Nesbitt’s poor passing and Thomas’ one disastrous drop do not mean that UGAG defended the pass well). You mutts can live vicariously through the fact that Tech sucked against LSU and Miami (in 2009, certainly not in 2008), but Tech sucked in those two games; neither LSU nor Miami did did that much to stop us. Each may have won anyway, but it certainly wasn’t because they figured out Tech’s defense. As far as figuring out Tech’s offense, as CPJ said, he’s been running it for 25 years, and nobody has consistently stopped it yet. Figuring it out is not the problem; executing what they have figured out is, and of all the teams Tech has played in the past 2 years, Iowa is the only team actually to consistently execute an adequate defense.

Big L

April 29th, 2010
10:11 pm

Hey Techman, that is the stupidest logic I have ever heard. Tech could just as easily have lost two years ago. We don’t deal in if’s mi amigo.

Dirk Diggler

April 29th, 2010
10:39 pm

I am a Tech alum and diehard fan. There is nobody more proud of his school from an academic standpoint then me, but I think all the Tech fans that are trying to make the argument that we wouldn’t/shouldn’t take the SEC up on an offer to join because it would hurt our academic prestige is just plain stupid.

Do you walk around feeling proud of your degree because you went to a school that is in the ACC or because of the university itself?

The case for joining is 100% about what it could do for GT from a financial standpoint. Period.

We all like to think of ourselves as smart people and successful business men/women. We wouldn’t be doing a very good job of demonstrating that if we chose to walk away from $20 million a year because we didn’t want to associate ourselves with the “dumb arses” in the SEC.

If D-Rad got an invitation to joing the SEC and turned it down, he should be fired on the spot.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
11:14 pm

Well put, Dirk Diggler

Technophobia

April 29th, 2010
11:18 pm

Supersize, BS Patrol, I made it too and eventually went on to med school. I made it there as well and I can tell you that although the volume of work was much greater in med school, it was not as difficult as Tech was.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
11:24 pm

Techno, I hated those classes at Tech with a passion, but i wouldn’t trade that experience for anything. The proudest moment of my life was in walking across the stage at the Fox Theater to receive my diploma, and than a year later walking across it again to get my Masters degree.

supersize that order, mutt

April 29th, 2010
11:26 pm

Two years later, I mean

HugoStiglitz

April 29th, 2010
11:35 pm

Dirk, you can think its just plain stupid if you want, we can agree to disagree, im not convinced that joining a conference that is basically just made for football factories is very wise for the future of the university. We would go instantly from one of the strongest conferences academically to one of the weakest. There is a reason that all of the members of the Big Ten are AAU schools and why they are supposedly not considering schools like West Virginia even though they would bring in good athletic programs. There is also a reason why most of the articles and blogs about this subject seem to think the SEC would not have a chance to get a school like UNC or Texas because those schools still care very much about their academics. I think of our school the same way.

Martin

April 29th, 2010
11:47 pm

As a Georgia fan, I’d like to see Tech back in the SEC, what AD would look like a genius turning down $20 million annually. That’s crazy talk. I don’t like Tech at all but I do think they could compete in the SEC. But I think the SEC would go after Texas or Clemson or something like that. The SEC would look for teams that would expand the SEC’s fan base. Another Georgia team wouldn’t add another area’s TV audience.

Paul in RDU

April 29th, 2010
11:50 pm

The answer to whether GT should be in the ACC or SEC (or any other conference for that matter) depends on whether you think that universities are academic institutions who field teams in a number of sports, one of which is football, or semi-professional football teams with a library, labs, teachers and a little research on the side.
As an alumnus, I think Tech has a good home in the ACC and should stay there.

Technophobia

April 29th, 2010
11:50 pm

Hugo, do you think that Vandy’s academics have been compromised by the SEC? Last time I checked Vandy was a top notch school. I’d agree that academics are not as respected or valued by much of the SEC but I wouldn’t see the SEC as a threat to Tech’s academics. My biggest reservation about joining an SEC expansion would be the size of the conference. Besides the financial aspect, I’m not sure what the value of having a huge conference is.

HugoStiglitz

April 30th, 2010
12:09 am

Vanderbilt is a great university that has maintained a high level of education even while in the SEC. They are the enigma of the conference, the school that cares about education more then football. I would hope that if we did accept a bid to the SEC we would be more like them and not like the the other schools. If Vanderbilt was in the ACC today do you think they would accept an invite to the SEC? I dont. Too many things have changed since Vanderbilt agreed to become an SEC member 78 years ago. They are basically stuck there whether they fit or not. They will just continue being that one SEC school thats not like the others.

Paul in RDU

April 30th, 2010
12:32 am

Hugo – I agree with you about Vandy. Vandy and FSU should swap conferences.

Paul in RDU

April 30th, 2010
12:36 am

I’ve read a few comments about the SEC going after UNC. Anyone who thinks that UNC will leave the ACC for the SEC knows nothing about what UNC faculty, alumni, students and the regents take pride in.

macrotech

April 30th, 2010
1:08 am

I’m all for Tech joining the SEC! I’m a fan of tradition and would love to get back to where it all started! It would make for some fun match ups…if it avails itself…let’s GO FOR IT!!!

BS Patrol

April 30th, 2010
2:03 am

I personally would love to see Tech rivals UT, AU,UA play again, and I believe we have them scheduled. But I have mixed feelings. We can dominate in the SEC athletically as we have in the ACC. But where are our priorities? Academics? Only Vandy & possibly UF would even merit mention academically in the ACC.

Big time?? Not

April 30th, 2010
6:02 am

Well they would have a really unique marketing ploy. Four tickets, four hot dogs, four cokes

[...] AJ-C’s Georgia Tech blogger writes that he’s not sure Tech would want to return to the SEC.  The extra money might come in handy for Paul Hewitt’s buyout, [...]

Big time? Not

April 30th, 2010
8:20 am

I just learned how to copy / paste for the first time, give me a break…

Reality Check

April 30th, 2010
8:42 am

UGA owns GT. There is no debate. 8/9 all year long. If GT can not beat UGA they would not have a chance against real SEC teams Alabama, UF, LSU. Isn’t that right GT fans talking through both sides of your mouths. You can’t have it both ways and say UGA is secont tier school and then we beat you all day every day. If UGA is second rate then GT= Vanderbilt, but Vandy probably has more wins this decade against UGA than your Jackets do.

Stay in the cream puff FB ACC.

davis

April 30th, 2010
9:02 am

i would love to join the SEC and beat georgia every year and keep them out of the SEC championship but i would never want georgia tech to have to be in the same confrence as any low life georgia team.

Joe

April 30th, 2010
9:43 am

Wow, you Tech fans really aren’t as bright as you think.
Georgia Tech, Clemson, Florida State and Miami would probably kill to join the SEC. It’s the premier conference in the country and everyone knows it, whether y’all would admit it or not. In almost every sport, we recruit better, have greater funding, and bring in more fans.

But it’s all pointless because I believe each member school has veto power. There’s no way in hell UF would allow FSU or Miami to join, Georgia allow GT to join, or South Carolina allow Clemson to join.

Still can’t believe y’all are delusional enough and stuck up enough (oh wait, that’s what you guys call “classy” right?) to think that your academics are too good for the SEC.
Haha, we’ll keep our attractive student body, superior athletics, and buckets of money to ourselves.

secfactcheck.com

April 30th, 2010
9:58 am

The last two years, Florida and Alabama were 15-1 against the rest of the SEC. I think GA Tech would fair just as well as those “other ten teams”. Actually, Tech has a winning record against the SEC the last two years. I suspect they have played the SEC more than any other non-conference team. Yes, Tech had a terrible losing streak against UGA. But during that time they went 2-0 against Auburn (with the infamous Reggie Ball) while Auburn was supposed to have a great team. The SEC is all about protecting their brand. How would it look if a University like Tech came in and actually did well. How could SEC teams continue the claim that the SEC is so tough every week playing in front 80,000 fans if Tech comes in and wins 75% of their conference games. Imagine Tech getting to substitute UGA, Vandy, Miss State (last years 3 of 4 non-conference games against the mighty SEC) with the likes of Charleston, Troy, and FIU which was Florida’s 3 of 4 non-conference games last year. Check the other current SEC non-conference games – for the most part it is pathetic. Tech scheduled THREE SEC teams! If the SEC folks want to say Vandy and Miss State aren’t that tough, then you got to acknowledge then that four cup-cake non-conference games + 2-3 soft SEC teams = 6 to 7 easy wins each year for an average SEC team. What is so scary about that….

dawgfan

April 30th, 2010
10:01 am

How would Tech fare in the SEC? Well, they would be in the SEC East. They can’t beat Georgia with any regularity. Florida would wipe the floor with them. They could probably hang with Tennessee most years. South Carolina would be a good game. I’m thinking 3rd or 4th in the East is the most they could ever hope for. Even last year’s team, their best in 18 years, couldn’t beat Georgia. That team probably would have been 2nd in the East at best, maybe 3rd given the more difficult schedule.

secfactcheck.com

April 30th, 2010
10:10 am

Well, the game last year with UGA was close. You conveniently last out the Tech victory at UGA when UGA was preseason #1 in the country. Each of the last two years UGA started the season ranked above GA Tech. GA Tech went 1-1 against UGA. You tell me who were the under achievers? UGA’s team two ago was supposed to be their best EVER! Can’t remember the last time UGA started number one.

supersize that order, mutt

April 30th, 2010
10:21 am

Joe, you’re full of it there for the most part. I can guarantee you that neither Florida nor South Carolina would veto their instate rivals joining the conference. Georgia is the only one greedy and insecure enough about their place in the football world to veto anybody joining the conference. Dooley already did that once, and there was no logical reason for him to have done it other than pure greed and an unwillingness to share the limelight.

secfactcheck.com

April 30th, 2010
10:22 am

Besides, first two years with a new coach, new system… I’ll take where the program is and where it is headed any day.

Gator CHOMP Champ

April 30th, 2010
10:23 am

Tech is 2009 ACC Champs. They lose to GA every year and GA is a lower tier SEC team. Even Tech kids are sharp enough to do the math here.

Joe

April 30th, 2010
10:25 am

supersize,

Why on Earth would Florida, South Carolina, or Georgia allow anything to happen that would ultimately benefit their hated rivals?
Georgia Tech left the SEC and will never be welcomed back… so I guess it’s good y’all like the ACC better.

mike slive

April 30th, 2010
10:32 am

joe

you can shut your pie-hole now because
you dont know what the hell youre taking about

geez, some sec fans really are THAT stupid

supersize that order, mutt

April 30th, 2010
10:35 am

Joe, Florida has already indicated that they would welcome it….at least the sources I have read say so. What’s good for the rivalry is good for each school. UGAG is too self-centered, and living in a fantasy world that makes them think they are king of the hill to realize common-sense things like that. If the SEC were to expand (no guarantee that they will) and UGAG vetoed Tech’s re-entrance, I can assure you they would be the brunt of jokes and criticism NATIONWIDE. ESPN would not let it go.

Buzzzed

April 30th, 2010
10:39 am

Tech AA would benefit from joining the SEC from the ESPN money and all the games would be sellouts.

Tech BBall would contend for an SEC championship most years. I don’t think recruiting would be hurt by leaving the ACC and the ACC refs are really bad and biased.

I would travel to more away games (FL, Auburn, SC, TN). I would miss Clem and FSU.

I don’t see Tech benefiting the SEC too much though.

supersize that order, mutt

April 30th, 2010
10:41 am

Buzzed, they let South Carolina and Arkansas in after earlier vetoing Tech’s reentrance. Does anybody realistically think that SC or Ark benefitted the SEC more than Tech would have?

supersize that order, mutt

April 30th, 2010
10:42 am

Enter your comments here

supersize that order, mutt

April 30th, 2010
10:43 am

For that matter, how do Vandy, UK, Miss State, or even UGAG last year benefit the SEC?

Nothing but the Truth

April 30th, 2010
10:45 am

I am not so sure GT would fit in with the rest of the SEC thugs. To play in the SEC, you need to attract a certain kind of player – one with a criminal record, an IQ in single digits, and in terms of talent, basically a player that tops out in college and is a bust in the NFL. No Thanks

dawgfan

April 30th, 2010
10:47 am

I didn’t conveniently leave out anything. Even Vandy has beaten Georgia and Mark Richt. How do they fare in the SEC East year in and year out? You’re the one conveniently leaving out your 8 losses to Georgia in the past 9 years. You’re the one leaving out your embarassing recent bowl record. What is it, 5 losses in a row? We win bowl games in the SEC. Your crap program wouldn’t fit in. You’re the one conveniently leaving out the 38-3 beatdown at the hands of a team with an SEC losing record in ‘08. You’re the one pounding your chest over big wins over Vandy and Miss. St. You think your sissy little program can succeed in the SEC? The SEC has the best BCS bowl record of any conference BY FAR and you come on here acting like we’re afraid to play people and just want to protect “the brand.” The brand is WINNING clown. Tech’s brand is getting humiliated in bowl games, losing to Georgia, and beating 8-5 teams in a conference title game. You think you would face an 8-5 team in the SECCG clown? You think you could go on the road to the Swamp, Death Valley, and Bryant Denny and get it done big mouth? Your sissy football team couldn’t even beat Wake freaking Forest in regulation last year at your own joke of a stadium. You Tech fans are simply smoking crack rock if you think Tech could do anything in the SEC. No offense to crack addicts.

Tech fans are all mouth. If they did join the SEC all the loser crybaby academic excuses would reach a fever pitch. No thanks I say. We don’t want your miserable bowl record, boring high school offense, and half empty 50,000 seat stadium in our league. Most of all Tech fans, we don’t want YOU in our league. You are an embarassment.

Class dismissed.

Joe

April 30th, 2010
10:52 am

Hey Mike Slive, you maybe want to mention why you think I don’t know what I’m talking about?
Because you sure haven’t said anything to counter it…

FACT

April 30th, 2010
10:57 am

70% of UGag’s CURRENT football roster was admitted
under the “Special Admissions.”

Without this “Special Admissions” program of admitting THE MOST academically deficient prospects this “fine” state has seen fit to “socially promote” out of our woefully indicate high-schools,
UGag wouldnt even be able to field a football team.

Joe

April 30th, 2010
10:58 am

Well said dawgfan.

supersize that order, mutt

April 30th, 2010
11:00 am

dawgfan, you should know about whining and making excuses. That’s all the mutts have ever done since they first started playing football. Hell, you even look for reasons not to count games that you lose (Tech in the WWII years), even though not a single other school in the country who lost to a school with players like Tech had even complained about it. You call every game you lose a fluke or try to blame it on referees. You are the crybabies of the SEC, if not the entire country. You may have the better record against Tech, and you may LATELY have better bowl-game success (that’s only LATELY), but you are the laughing stock of the SEC the past couple of years and totally irrelevant within even the eastern division of that conference. If you think you are so much better than Tech, then why would you not want us in the SEC east with you, since (at least according to the likes of you) it would improve your placement in that division. Of course, you and I know that it wouldn’t do that, because the 8 out of 9 thing is in the past, and you are only 1-1 since CPJ arrived. So I propose that you are SCARED of what Tech MIGHT bring to the table, and that’s why you don’t want any part of it.

supersize that order, mutt

April 30th, 2010
11:04 am

BTW, dawgfan, at least Tech won in OT against Wake, but UGAG couldn’t even beat UK who lost to the second-place team in the ACC. What’s your excuse for that one? And if you think Tech’s offense is boring, then you obviously have never even watched it. How could any offense that averages 30+ points a game possibly be considered boring???

Gator CHOMP Champ

April 30th, 2010
11:08 am

I see why GA fans say GT fans have Napoleon complexes…funny stuff supersize.

supersize that order, mutt

April 30th, 2010
11:16 am

CHOMP, what did I say that wasn’t true?

Sean

April 30th, 2010
11:24 am

I think 12 is where the limit should be. When you start diluting, it’s a negative. 14 is the absolute max that might work. 12 is perfect imo

Todd

April 30th, 2010
11:27 am

Imagine this conference
Gt, uga, uf, miami, fsu, aub, bama, tenn, sc, clem, miss, miss st, texas, texas am.
you could rename it national championship conference.

Greg

April 30th, 2010
11:34 am

one other thing that is bad for expanding over 12 teams. you know how there’s always talk about how 2 teams from the same conf shouldn’t and can’t meet in the nat champ game from the same conf. it works with 12. but when you go to 14 and especially 16, you are going to have on occasion the 2 best teams in the same conference. the law of averages state this. and will they still not allow it? you will also have teams that win a conference play a weak schedule, that’s what happens with dilution. so a team could play an easy reg season, maybe playing 1 ranked team, then only have to win their conf champ game while another team from the same conf other division didn’t get in the conf champ but are more worthy. teams not winning conf but being ranked higher for the nat champ will also be an issue. the only way to get around that would be to do a playoff. you’d have to and it would have to be 16 teams and conf champ + at large get in. it’s going to be a mess i think if the big 10 goes for 14+

Gator CHOMP Champ

April 30th, 2010
11:35 am

supersize, bash GA all you want, I love it. Saying that a team that has owned you guys is scared about what you’ll bring to the table? That’s like saying that FL is scared of anything that GA brings to the table. It’s just kinda funny. You guys have the same little man syndrome that GA has with us. Careful what you say about a (lower tier SEC) team that’s owned you.

BigDawg

April 30th, 2010
11:36 am

We don’t want Tech in the SEC again! They won two National titles while in either the SEC or the Southern Conference before that in which we also were members and they won two more National titles than we did! We did not win ours till 1980 and GT left the SEC in the 60’s. We do not need them to be able to recruit better based on being a member of the SEC since then we’d likely lose to them as often as we lose to Florida. Keep Yech in the ACC! Period!!!

Gator CHOMP Champ

April 30th, 2010
11:37 am

Kinda like those black helmets that GA wore to the FL game to support their little man syndrome. How’d that work out for ya GA fans?

dawgfan

April 30th, 2010
11:45 am

Its never what you Techies say Supersize. Its always what you DON’T say. For instance, what did Georgia do the week after that embarassing loss to Kentucky that you Techies love to run your big mouths about? Here’s a few hints: #7 team in country. 330 yard rushing. 1st round NFL draft pick chokes and drops wide open pass. Game over.

See Supersize. You talk about WWII. You talk about beating Georgia in 2008. You talk a big game about the future and how Manboobs is going to do this and he’s going to do that. You Tech fans talk a lot. You’ll never hear me say otherwise. I have never seen a group of fans with bigger mouths and absolutely nothing to back it up in my life. So talk, talk, talk all you want Techie. I’ll keep talking about how we wipe the damn floor with your sorry azzes almost everytime we play you. I’ll keep talking about how Manboobs chokes in bowl games and can’t beat teams with big athletic D-lines. Yeah, he’s a real whiz kid against Wake Forest and UVA, but stop that dive and this overrated hack is completely clueless. He has no idea what to do. His wonderful offense is rendered completely impotent, much like a Tech fan with a girl.

So keep running those mouths Tech fans. I’ll be here to talk about the things that you don’t have the balls to talk about. Keep on spreading those lies about Georgia fans, but you know deep down in your insecure little hearts that we’ve got the courage to confront our pronblems. We talk about the horrible record against Florida. We talk about being down 30-0 at the half to Bama and no SEC championship in 5 years. We talk about players getting arrested and how much the defense sucks. We talk about all these things because we have balls. Tech fans only want to talk about their one victory over UGA in 9 years and how awesome they are because they won the ACC. Tech fans just want everyone to blow sunshine up their butts about how wondeerful they are and then cry like little sissies when it doesn’t happen.

Tech + Fans = JOKE.

Punch that in to your fancy Texas Instrument calculators nerds.

CatsFly

April 30th, 2010
12:46 pm

USCar fans, I would love to have you back in the ACC where you belong. You are our sister state. I also want Tech to remain in the ACC. Wouldn’t mind having Vandy and UGa as well. We want a conference comprised of quality schools. For those who think that NCState is not a quality school, they are simply mistaken. Complete a computer science, engineering, or chemistry curriculum there, and you will have a strong undergrad education which, based on my experience as a technical recruiter having recruited NCState among all the nation’s engineering schools, will land you a good job. Same for VaTech.

HugoStiglitz

April 30th, 2010
12:58 pm

lol, good lord. Dawgfan is one angry mutt. Give us another 4 paragraph rant Dawgfan.

broken Stinger

April 30th, 2010
1:16 pm

Metro area 5,000,000, but metro area that are Tech fans = less than 20,000. Tech will NOT be asked to be in SEC. If any ACC teams are asked it will be the florida teams or Clemson.

dawgfan

April 30th, 2010
1:23 pm

Yeah, try and play it cool Techie. I’m sure you just get a big kick out of getting exposed and shamed by my posts. You’re probably one of the Techies that left the Georgia game crying like a little girl and then turned around days later and claimed it didn’t matter. Come on Techie, be honest with yourself. UGA owns your soul and you know it. You aren’t fooling anyone.

And I’d be happy to drag your sissy little program through the mud some more if you’d like. Just run your big Techie mouth and give me some ammo. I’d be happy to oblige…

HugoStiglitz

April 30th, 2010
1:55 pm

I didnt attend last years game, I actually went to a large viewing party that one of my friends had where there were plenty of UGA fans and Tech fans. You know what we did after we lost? We played drinking games and Rock Band, and had a great time the rest of the night. You know why? Because it was just a football game. If your soul is somehow affected by college football then great, you keep living life like that. You really seem to be taking it way too seriously though.

Nickj0321

April 30th, 2010
2:29 pm

Dawgfan – LOL redneck…1-1 since CPJ arrived…keep your players out of jail then come talk to us, thug

supersize that order, mutt

April 30th, 2010
2:54 pm

Dawgfan, another thing you pathetic mutts do when you can’t come up with salient points is resort to derogatory names for our coach and players. And the worst thing was last week when so many mutts who post here resorted to calling Dwyer a druggie because he uses prescription medication for a legitimate medical condition. That’s the kind of class you mutts have. I never denied that Thomas choked when he dropped that ball, and I never made any excuses for Tech’s losing the game. Our defense sucked and your RB’s ran all over us. BUT Tech was still in the game until Thomas did drop that ball. You want to talk about excuse-making, how about all the whining and referee-blaming you mutts did after LSU beat you last fall. I will say this about next year’s game. Whoever has the least bad defense will probably win it, but I guarantee you that the mutts will NOT stop Nesbitt and company. Unless Tech’s defense has improved to the level that it can make tackles and cover passes, then the game will be a scoring contest, and whoever scores last will win—just like the Tech-FSU game last fall.

Daniel

April 30th, 2010
4:31 pm

i bet Supersize gets all the chicks (stifled laughter).

dawgfan

April 30th, 2010
4:31 pm

Oh lord. What a nerd. Who in the hell goes to a “viewing party” for a football game? My wife used to have a “viewing party” for Sex and the City. Dork.

HugoStiglitz

April 30th, 2010
4:47 pm

lol. Just curiously dawgfan, what are you trying to accomplish? If its making me laugh then you have done well. Do you really think you make anyone feel bad with your 3rd grade insults? Seriously dude, get some therapy. Im now partially hoping that UGA wins every game against Tech because im a little afraid of what you might do to yourself if they dont.

CatsFly

April 30th, 2010
4:56 pm

During the days of Coach ?Ryan? (died in air crash after taking LSU job), Lou Holtz, and coach Sheridan, NCState worked over a lot teams, particularly Clemson. How soon people forget. NCState has appeal and a very good coach. They will be strong sooner than later. – a UNC fan.

supersize that order, mutt

April 30th, 2010
5:03 pm

dawgfan, having a viewing party for “Sex and the City” was probably the only way your wife could ever see what good sex was all about

messin with sasquatch

April 30th, 2010
5:49 pm

why not add ugag to the acc so they can be competive for a championship? Instead of interpolating they won it……..sorry for the multi-sylable word, doggs.

Technophobia

April 30th, 2010
6:42 pm

Hey dawgfan, speaking of impotent, how’s your baseball team doing. 25-6 ouch!

ToccoaDawg

April 30th, 2010
8:10 pm

The SEC doesn’t want yech

BulldawgsRuintheState

April 30th, 2010
8:48 pm

Most any major university could adapt and gradually fit into any of the major conferences, but why bother? Tech is well-suited to the ACC and as for the SEC: been there, done that. By the way, Hewitt can pal around with Johnson all he wants to (and all DRad wants him to) but it doesn’t change the fact that he is not worthy to be a Ga. Tech coach and we want him fired. Immediately.

BulldawgsRuintheState

April 30th, 2010
8:52 pm

The SEC would love to have a “big bus” academic institution to help balance out all the short bus programs they have, but who wants to be any closer to the bullpups that they absolutely have to? Not Georgia Tech people, that’s for sure. Let the SEC continue on in their tradition of strong football and weak everything else (including minds) and we’ll be content sweeping their baseball team, occasionally kicking their football butts, and—once we fire Hewitt—regularly beating them on the hardwood again. We sure don’t want fleas, and if you lay down with dawgs, that’s what you get…..along with any number of STD’s.

BulldawgsRuintheState

April 30th, 2010
9:02 pm

No offense, Doug, but the more I think about the Tech-SEC thing the more humorous and unlikely it seems. Tech is so ideally suited to the more academically, East-Coast oriented ACC and so diametrically opposed to the good ol’ boy SEC that neither entity would seriously consider a change. It is true that Tech was formerly a longtime and prominent member of the SEC, but it was years ago in a different era for college sports and universities in general. I do think leaving the SEC the way he did was Dodd’s biggest mistake, but Tech being in the ACC makes such good sense now that we shouldn’t even give returning a second thought.
Best of luck to both conferences and to the rivalry between Tech and UGA that requires no further fuel.

BulldawgsRuintheState

April 30th, 2010
9:09 pm

If it meant we could fire Paul Hewitt and be rid of his mediocrity and player exploitation, then I’d agree for Tech to join the Pac-10, the Mid-America, or the Catholic League of Girls Athletics conferences. We might lose a little prestige and television revenues, but at least we could put a legit basketball team on the floor. (And just think what havoc CPJ’s triple option would wreak in those conferences.)

Coach Hewitt..

April 30th, 2010
9:45 pm

Obviously you AZZ hats do not want back in the SEc since y’all PuZZed out on playing Bama in ‘13 & ‘14… Nick Saban is taking you guy’s to the woodshed on Al.com… You freakin nats are pitiful…shoulda , woulda, coulda…Can’t even take care of the Reck..LMMFAO…Prolly the most recognizable school Icon & your beggin for money to keep it duct taped together.. God bless… y’all had to beg for money just to haul that POS to Miami to get your Azze’s kicked by Iowa..And you wonder why as your BB coach I won’t do the honorable thing & quit..Y’all suck, that’s why…Dave Braine told me to tell y’all hello!!!!!!! LMMFAO…$7.1 million or STFU!!! i run this school…Paul..

Chronos

April 30th, 2010
10:50 pm

Uhhh, Coach Hewitt, I think you need to take your medication. AI.com? I don’t think Saban is posting at AI.com, hahahahaha.

supersize that order, mutt

April 30th, 2010
10:55 pm

Coach Hewitt, whoever the hell you are, how about getting rid of the racist lingo and say what the hell you are talking about. First of all, there is no AI.com, at least not one that I could find that had anything to do with sports. Did you mean SI.com??? And in SI.com, I don’t see anything about Saban taking anybody to the woodshed over it. That was actually the first I heard about it, and all I have read so far is that the two schools “agreed” to reschedule. Last year Ole Miss and Tech agreed to reschedule also, but it was because Ole Miss requested it. Did Tech request this one? I’m asking seriously because I have not heard.

superDawg

April 30th, 2010
11:28 pm

Ala. would beat the nerd out of tek.

BS Patrol

April 30th, 2010
11:55 pm

Tech’s not afraid of UA or any other over hyped SEC team.

college football

May 1st, 2010
1:05 am

Those yellow rats don’t belong in the SEC, get a team of character, integrity and class, all of which they can’t identify with.

BS Patrol

May 1st, 2010
1:23 am

Yeah right CF,
The traits you describe belong to one team in your conference, Vandy. Adding Tech would elevate the SEC by about 50%. If Tech would even consider it.

Buckhead Bulldog

May 1st, 2010
7:50 am

As a life long Bulldog, and part time Tech fan, I would welcome the proud tradition and long, long esteemed heritage of GT football into the SEC.

MHBrown

May 1st, 2010
8:32 am

Do you really think that UGA was founded in 1932? I went to Tech and I know it was the first land grant university in the country. I think it was 1788, but I’m sure it was late 18th century. Certainly Wikipedia should always be taken with a grain of salt, but you should use your own eyes, background knowledge, and common sense, too. Just a little sloppy, don’t you think?

GT

May 1st, 2010
9:22 am

GT still has more SEC football championships than most schools in the conference today and have not played a game in the SEC in thirty years… I believe uga finally caught GT in SEC championships a few years ago.

Atlanta Gator

May 1st, 2010
9:30 am

Tech would be a great fit. UF and Vandy need another school with stellar academic credentials to join the conference. Tech would have a hard time in football, but they do well in overall sports and would hold their own after November. It would help Tech recruit better athletes to be a member of a decent conference. Winners want to play winners.

ATH

May 1st, 2010
10:21 am

If/when the SEC expands, they’ll likely add 4 teams. They’ll first go after FSU and Miami. Then the other two are up for debate. Tech is an option among others including VaTech, Clemson, UNC. Would Tech be good for the SEC? Maybe. They wouldn’t bring in much in the way of additional money and we all know that is the driving force behind conference expansion.

UGABasketball

May 1st, 2010
10:36 am

SEC are not we own Paul Hewitts. Hope you keep that great coach for life. He couldn’t beat us if his life depended on it. We got a Fox on his ass.

richard

May 1st, 2010
10:47 am

WHY DID GA TECH ALABAMA BREAK CONTRACT TO PLAY ANYONE KNOW THE REASON

Rikki Tikki Tava

May 1st, 2010
11:11 am

Atlanta Gator = I guess that is why you all always have a weak schedule EVERY year. Like last year, just floated along playing a UGA or UT scattered in, and then get absolutely PUMMELED against BAMA. Take yo’ stuff some where else, chump!

Gen Neyland

May 1st, 2010
11:20 am

Happy Uno de Mayo…GT in the SEC would reinvent a few rivalries that have been missing but it wouldn’t be worth it to me. Let ‘em keep playing UGA yearly and that’ll be enough SEC for the Jackets. ‘Course, if they could schedule our bottom feeders every season (Vandy, MS ST 2009), they’d think they were rolling over SEC powers year in, year out…People need to back off GT losing to Iowa. Iowa was not an inferior team…and I had them picked to beat GT.

Alabama Jack

May 1st, 2010
11:20 am

As dawg nation said, I’ll drink to that.

Gen Neyland

May 1st, 2010
11:23 am

…or did I have them picked to lose to GT..? Ahh, doesn’t matter. Did have LSU picked over GT, though. What good SEC follower could pull against LSU in a bowl..?

Kane337

May 1st, 2010
12:01 pm

Arkansas was founded in 1991? Huh?

Kane337

May 1st, 2010
12:02 pm

South Carolina founded in 1991 also? Huh?

Beast from the East

May 1st, 2010
12:48 pm

I’d love to see Tech in the SEC. Atlanta’s a major market and it would only help with future television deals (along w/ Miami). Adding a team like UNC and either FSU or V. Tech would complete the deal.
Tech would most likely struggle in football. Along the same lines as USC, KY, Ole Miss and MSU. They would add major depth in basketball and baseball to an already respectable conference in both sports. I think it would be a win for Tech (revenue) and for the SEC as a whole. From what I’m reading the only fan base that would oppose it is UGA.

bob

May 1st, 2010
2:19 pm

move boston college back to big east so carolina to ACC Louisville to SEC makes geographical sense,

superDawg

May 1st, 2010
2:28 pm

UGA was founded in 1785.

superDawg

May 1st, 2010
2:29 pm

and that was before your mamma.

Navigator

May 1st, 2010
2:49 pm

It would correct the biggest mistake made in the legacy of Bobby Dodd. He thought the program would become the southern Notre Dame or at least Penn State, but he was mistaken. Tech is fine where they are right now, being near the top in several sports (ACC). Let’s not forget that Tech has fared well with trips to Auburn, MState, Vandy, but they are not near Alabama, LSU or Florida, so the best they could hope to be in Football is middle or high middle, unless they take the program/recruiting up a notch. I disagree that Tech’s basketball team would be contending every year, however. The SEC is a tough league, and the problems they suffer now will follow them. In the secondary sports, they should do well in Lady basketball, baseball, golf and tennis.

hedgeplague

May 1st, 2010
4:03 pm

Reasons why NOT to join a souped up SEC.
The dreamer who sees us in the SEC…please not. Yes all the great dream matchups would be great to see…in football. But realistically, our SEC schedule wouldnt be any better than our ACC schedule. South Carolina, Kentucky and Vandy every year (assuming they dont bounce Vandy in all this) doesnt intrigue any more than Clemson UVA and UNC. Would you trade an annual game with Miami with a Florida. A VT with a Tennessee?

We already play Ugga, and typically one other SEC team anyway. I would concede that there would be a slight upside in the schedule and excitement at the stadium due to larger visiting crowds in some instances- BUT the trade offs of switching leagues are significant and IMHO not close to worth the upside.
1. 16 teams are too many. There will be no micro 4 team playoff as the NCAA will not even allow that for the NC. That means on AVERAGE a given team will win the conference championship once a generation. If you are Florida maybe you win it 4 times as often. Will a GT in the SEC all of a sudden be like UF…? Never say never, but I doubt it.
2. If you are looking forward to playing traditional SEC west powers…look for them at home once every 16 years. What is the good of being in conference with ALA if you can hardly ever play them. We do better scheduling SEC west teams by being in the ACC.
3. Sure for some football is king, but the rest of the year I get a kick out of seeing Brice Molder and Jason Variteck and other Tech athletes that have come out of our other programs that have flourished in the ACC. Not to say that these programs couldnt be great in the SEC, but is and “could” are Way different.
4. ACC basketball is THE reason that GT is even on the basketball landscape. We have had first rounders and hall of famers come out of GT because we are in the ACC. The SEC would mean a huge step backward in our BB program.

MariettaGator

May 1st, 2010
4:35 pm

blah blah blah blah blah the SEC would probably go to the West and Texas et al first, but I highly doubt those teams come to the SEC. If expansion occurs its most likely going to be Clemson, FSU, and VT first. The fourth team? Between Miami, GT, and Louisville. If I were Slive, to me GT puts more on the table than any of those other teams. Done and Done.

74 Dawg

May 1st, 2010
4:37 pm

Tech would never do it. They would be shown for what they are in the SEC.

OLD FAN from WAY BACK

May 1st, 2010
5:30 pm

Lived at Techwood homes before it became a dope filled getto. I was a big Tech fan. Still am to some extent.I was shocked to hear Tech leaving the SEC. When they tried to rejoin in the 60’s if I remember right it was Shug Jordan at Auburn that would not vote them back in. Why I don”t know. I would love to see them back in the SEC. I beleive it would help in recruiting. We can debate it from now till the end time, but I beleive the SEC is the top conf. in the nation.

supersize that order, mutt

May 1st, 2010
5:34 pm

OLD FAN, it was Dooley who wouldn’t agree to let Tech back in, and it was the mid to late 70s.

SDDubb

May 1st, 2010
5:36 pm

Also, when looking at metro population, you counted Vandy’s as being 596,462 but that is not accurate. Metro Nashville has a much larger population than that – pushing 2,000,000. Perhaps you were only counting Davidson County, TN, and not Metro Nashville MSN. Make sure it’s apples to apples.

BS Patrol

May 1st, 2010
5:42 pm

For Tech there’s only one way to put it. Penthouse to outhouse(Vandy excluded).

Admiral Ackbar

May 1st, 2010
8:03 pm

With the exception of Vanderbilt, the academic standards of the SEC are unacceptably low. Membership in the current SEC would degrade our degrees–no thank you. Next thing you know, we will be asked to marry our sisters like UGA graduates and work at Wendy’s.

JawjunY'all

May 1st, 2010
8:15 pm

Three reasons TECH left the SEC

1 – Dodd wanted to schedule more nationally elite teams to avoid losing crowd appeal to the expected FALCON’s arrival;
2 – The SEC teams had become too extreme in “win any way” football with retractible scholarships and lack of academic requirements for entering or staying in school, and
3 – for failure to censure Alabama when a player blatently socked Chick Granning after a play ended and sent him to the hospital with a broken jaw. The fact that America’s winingest coach, the Bear, had only recently come to Alabama, certainly did had something to do with it.

About the Bear – - national winners at Kentucky, Maryland, Texas AM, and Alabama. Wow! Babe Parrilli, then the Mos, then Crow, and then Namath. His first year at TexAM he kicked off the team all but 23 players, and the only game he won that season was against UGA. I saw the game and cheered the winner all the way, but didn’t have to stand up during the game. Dodd lost every game with the Bear at Alabama and didn’t like the way he played the “game?” nor the way the SEC was happy to see the way the cash register was ringing. Tulane, also, was no slouch when it left the SEC at about the same time as TECH. A contest between the Irish vs Green Wave went for the national championship in the late 40’s.

TECH is where it belongs. Academically, the ACC ought to trade Clemson or FSU or Miami for Vandy. Geographically, we might consider trading away BC or Va Tech. On the other hand, all the (real) southern candidates are money makers.

supersize that order, mutt

May 1st, 2010
8:52 pm

Jawjun, Dodd beat Bear in Atlanta in 1962 by the score of 7-6. Bama was defending national champion and undefeated at the time.

Gate City Jacket

May 1st, 2010
8:57 pm

If you asked me about this 5 years ago I would have said no. Today I think it might work. I’m tired of the biased ACC refs in basketball and football here in NC. I miss seeing GT over here in NC too. Let’s go for it!

Mike Bobo Offense

May 1st, 2010
9:14 pm

The SEC doesn’t wan’t Tech. FSU sells out their stadium

russ GATA

May 1st, 2010
10:39 pm

Dodd giveth and Dodd took football away from the Flats.
Claimed some story about academics but thought GT would be a southern Notre Dame
WWWWWWWWWWWWWRong!!!!!!!!!!!
They would have been useful if CNN had sayed a player but we do not need them.
Dooly has consistantly suppoted that but the the Mississipi schools messed over by Dodd bit back,
Dodd turned his nose up at the Mississippi schools like humans do when they enter Grant field and see the piss trough and all the beauty of the North Avenue bus stop.

Druid Hills

May 1st, 2010
10:52 pm

Georgia Tech has won plenty of SEC Championships already,
maybe UGA should join another conference.

athdog

May 1st, 2010
11:41 pm

I think that Clemson and Tech would make great additions to a great conference. Hopefully they would not place Tech in the West, as you have them. Vandy would be, geographically, the logical western addition although it would foul up their yearly battle with UT-Knoxville. Maybe the conference would go to two ‘annual’ rivalries from the other side of the conference, then GA could still play Auburn every year along with Tech. It would make the annual beatdown of Tech even sweeter knowing that most years, at least 8 out of every 9 years, we could add the Tech victory to our SEC belt. 30-24 rules.

AFDawg

May 2nd, 2010
7:02 pm

Everyone is forgetting one thing. Being in the SEC is more than just football. Tech has and never will be competitive in sports across the board — even with their huge recruiting base. Tech has only won one NCAA national championship (a women’s tennis title a few years back) in it’s entire history. Look at the 100’s of NCAA titles SEC schools have won. Tech would get decimated in the SEC. Georgia State will be a better fit in a few years,

mwh6767

May 2nd, 2010
8:15 pm

Take off the oxygen mask AFdawg. Not competitive across the board??? UM, lets see. Orange Bowl berth, Ncaa tourny birth plus an opening round win, top 5 baseball team, the tennis team you mentioned, baseball team always in top 20, womens softball ranked and womens b-ball team in ncaa tourny. Golf team is top ranked as well. Take the red and black blinders off buddy tech is very competitive in the whole world of ncaa athletics.

SiddyBoy

May 2nd, 2010
8:15 pm

I didn’t know that the SEC lets high school join !

mwh6767

May 2nd, 2010
8:22 pm

The other thing that gets me, besides UF, Bama , and LSU who else is better than any other middle of the pack team from any other conf. Carolina? UGA? Ole Miss. All these teams are middle of the road , capable of pulling an upset but nowhere near an elite team. The SEC is top-heavy with the before mentioned 3 have nc’s other than that , you are looking at the middle of the pack from any other major conf.

Atlanta Gator

May 2nd, 2010
8:36 pm

Florida desparately needs another decent academic university in the SEC. UF is one of the honored programs in the country that achieves competitive excellence in the halls of learning and on the playing field. Welcome to the SEC. Join with other AAU members, Vandy and UF, to show doofus universities that dual excellence is attainable.

Stinger

May 2nd, 2010
9:34 pm

Tech owns the SEC. I say go for it since it would be easier to win the SEC conference Championship than the ACC.

DawgBoi

May 2nd, 2010
10:06 pm

stinger – last 3 SEC champs won the National Championship. What did the last 3 ACC champs do? BTW, why are you all so scared to play Bama?

DawgBoi

May 2nd, 2010
10:07 pm

oh wait, I meant the last 4 champs..

DawgBoi

May 2nd, 2010
10:09 pm

Trivia – name the last ACC champ to win their bowl game..

DawgBoi

May 2nd, 2010
10:17 pm

i know its a difficult question b/c you all have only had how many championship games now?

DawgBoi

May 2nd, 2010
10:25 pm

sorry to have brought a dose of reality to this blog. i will leave now. you all may proceed with your trekkie or dungeons & dragons role playing..

messin with sasquatch

May 3rd, 2010
7:51 am

like that title dogboi. i may change my name for the doggs.

Yep

May 3rd, 2010
8:28 am

Basketball and Baseball: Complete Domination. End of story. Even with the sometimes shaky BBall Program.

As for Football, I think GT would fall 3rd or 4th in the East. 4th or 5th in the West. After a few good years of recruiting that would improve.

supersize that order, mutt

May 3rd, 2010
10:20 am

Dawgboi, for what it’s worth, Va Tech was the last ACC champion to win its bowl. When was the last UGAG team to live up to expectations? When was the last UGAG team that didn’t have a single player arrested at some point? When was the last time you licked your butt?

GTPhenom

May 3rd, 2010
10:31 am

I would have absolutely no problem with GT going back to its roots in the SEC. You look at all of the historical rivalries that GT had in the SEC, and that alone should get any true football fan psyched. GT/Auburn, GT/Bama, GT/UGA, and to some extent, GT also had rivalries with Tennessee and Florida. Monetarily, there is no downside, and I, unlike some fans, am not going to be on my high horse about the academics. Vandy is a fine institute academically, and they are in the SEC. Now, onto the whole, “GT can’t compete in the SEC,” crap. How do you figure? On an average year, GT would at the very least beat or give the following teams a run for their money: Ole Miss, MSU, Arkansas, Tennessee, AU, Kentucky,Vandy, UGA, and South Carolina. LSU would be interesting every year, and we would have easily competed with them recently. The only two teams that have shown any true Dominance in the SEC are Bama and Florida. And last I checked you don’t always play teams from the other division in your schedule. UGA fans need to get off this high horse of theirs that the SEC is so much more dominant overall. Overall, the SEC is just another normal conference.

DawgBoi

May 3rd, 2010
10:36 am

a) 2007 – finished season ranked #2 nationally
b) boys will be boys. everyone eventually learns actions beget consequences
c) dont have to. your mom tosses my salad

You deserve a little credit for stepping up to the plate though..

DawgBoi

May 3rd, 2010
10:39 am

1-8 in the last 9 match-ups vs .UGA. If thats what you call giving us a run for our money then you all have obviously conceded football in this state..

DawgBoi

May 3rd, 2010
10:57 am

“I RUN THIS BLOG”

Stinger

May 3rd, 2010
11:03 am

DawgBoi is really Dawggir. How would you like a punch in the face? The last time UGAY won anything was 1980. If you don’t believe me ask Coach Paul Johnson.

DawgBoi

May 3rd, 2010
11:12 am

8 wins minimum last 13 years. 2 SEC championships under Richt. CPJ has as many losses to UGA in 2 years as Richt has against the wreck in 9 years. You are aware of what winning is right? I know its foreign to the wreck..

DawgBoi

May 3rd, 2010
11:25 am

“I RUN THIS BLOG!”

eastside

May 3rd, 2010
11:34 am

gt phenom. what was the score last time gt played lsu? think it was a blowout in a bowl game. gt would be good if the sec wanted another doormat team to give beat-downs to annually

fishtales

May 3rd, 2010
11:45 am

GA Tech just asked out of the series with Bama so why should they be asked to join the SEC? They obviously want no part of it…especially when they can’t beat GA either. And ATL Gator…while you’re patting your academic record on the back…realize that Bama just recently won the SEC academic honor roll for the second year in a row. UF second, UGA third.

fishtales and dawgbutts

May 3rd, 2010
12:23 pm

well, that just goes to show you there’s not much “honor” in the SEC, academic or otherwise

supersize that order, mutt

May 3rd, 2010
12:24 pm

Does anybody know for a fact who dropped whom in the Tech-Bama deal? All I have read so far is that it was agreed by both schools to postpone it. Nothing was said who instigated it or why. Does anybody have any facts?

HugoStiglitz

May 3rd, 2010
12:51 pm

According to the Tuscaloosa news GT requested that the matchups be postponed. Here is the quote from Alabama’s AD:

“Their athletic director (Dan Radakovich) contacted me and said they wanted to postpone the series and we were willing to work with them,” Moore said. “We do want to resume the series at some point in the future, but we did not work out any dates at this time.”

DAVE

May 3rd, 2010
1:04 pm

Lets send prayers and condolences out the the family of beloved GT FOOTBALL ALUM,NICK RODGERS WHO PASSED EARLY THIS MORNING.
REST IN PEACE NICK..

supersize that order, mutt

May 3rd, 2010
1:17 pm

Thanks, Hugo. I wonder why D-Rad wanted to postpone, since I assume he’s the one who originally scheduled it anyway.

techie

May 3rd, 2010
1:46 pm

They would be ranked a little lower than Vandy in attendance! They would be ahead of Florida in muggings! They would be ranked near Alabama in terms of tactful coaches.

The SEC is the best, why change to water it down?

HBTD

May 3rd, 2010
1:52 pm

Bama dumps tech!! Oooops!

supersize that order, mutt

May 3rd, 2010
2:16 pm

And they would be WAY BEHIND UGAG in number of players arrested

supersize that order, mutt

May 3rd, 2010
2:20 pm

Also behind UGAG in number of professors who murder their wives in public, and in front of their children, and number of campus employees who attempt to extort students.

HBTD

May 3rd, 2010
2:24 pm

supersize that order, mutt

May 3rd, 2010
1:17 pm
Thanks, Hugo. I wonder why D-Rad wanted to postpone, since I assume he’s the one who originally scheduled it anyway.

I think the answer to that question is fairly obvious to most.

#1 BAMA FAN

May 3rd, 2010
3:11 pm

Hey Leroy….BAMA plays at Arkansas, South Carolina, Tenn & LSU. We also play Florida, Auburn, Penn St., and MISS at home. BAMA plays GT, home and home in 2011 & 2013. I

#1 BAMA FAN

May 3rd, 2010
3:11 pm

Hey Leroy….BAMA plays at Arkansas, South Carolina, Tenn & LSU. We also play Florida, Auburn, Penn St., and MISS at home. BAMA plays GT, home and home in 2011 & 2013. I

Bruce Mac

May 3rd, 2010
3:52 pm

They would fit somewhere between Kentucky and South Carolina. Not great but you have to worry about them every year. They would have to build a new stadium for big boy football.

supersize that order, mutt

May 3rd, 2010
4:09 pm

HBTD, I can assure you that win or lose, neither DRad nor CPJ would ever back away from a game out of fear. I am sure there is more to it than that. Oh, and by the way, why do you think Ole Miss dropped Tech for this year and next? Were they scared of Tech? I doubt it; I’m sure there were other reasons there too. But since you are obviously a mutt living in hope that one day you might return to relevancy (assuming you ever really had any) in the SEC, just keep spouting your mindless drivel.

Doug Roberson

May 3rd, 2010
4:11 pm

Where did the enrollment figure come from: Wikipedia, which is what I wrote when put them in the story.

As for the Bama game, as I wrote. It was a mutually agreed upon decision, and is fairly common when schools start trying to line up opponents.

HBTD

May 3rd, 2010
4:27 pm

supersize that order, mutt

May 3rd, 2010
4:09 pm

HBTD, I can assure you that win or lose, neither DRad nor CPJ would ever back away from a game out of fear. I am sure there is more to it than that. Oh, and by the way, why do you think Ole Miss dropped Tech for this year and next? Were they scared of Tech? I doubt it; I’m sure there were other reasons there too. But since you are obviously a mutt living in hope that one day you might return to relevancy (assuming you ever really had any) in the SEC, just keep spouting your mindless drivel.

Wow!! Talk about insecure. Supersize, see Doug’s 4:11 post for the obvious reason I referred to in my 2:24 post. LOL!!!

HBTD

May 3rd, 2010
4:36 pm

Supersize. Based on your spirited posts today, I’m guessing you were one of the 350-400 who attended this year’s T-Day game. How bout a first hand report of what the squad looks like this year?

T3

May 3rd, 2010
4:50 pm

IMHO, GT & Bama are “postponing” their games
to let both keep their schedules…”flexible.”

Translation: the SEC will be adding GT within the next two years.

T3

May 3rd, 2010
4:58 pm

Every current Big 10 school is also a member of the AAU,
and thats a HUUUUUUUGE institutional consideration for
Big 10 expanison. Afterall, its the school Presidents,
not the ADs that have the FINAL approval.

The following schools are also AAU members:

Missouri (Big 12)
Nebraksa (Big 12)
Iowa State (Big 12)
Kansas (Big 12)
Pitt (Big East)
Syracuse (Big East)
Colorado (Big 12)

So, it is HIGHLY LIKELY that Big 10 expansion will come from this roster. Of course, all this assumes Notre Dame rejects the Big 10 again.

Another HUUUUUUUUUUGE factor often overlooked is: TIME.
Or more accurately: Time Zones.

The Big 10 is actually split between Eastern & Central time zones.
This matters A LOT when youre talking TV audience and TV money.
“TV market share” and Time Zones strongly correlate.

(7) Teams in Eastern Time zone are:

OhioSt
Michigan
Michigan State
Penn State
Indiana
Purdue
Illinois

(4) Teams in Central Time zone are:

Northwestern
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa

So, adding 3 Central Time zone teams (Mizzou, Nebraska, Iowa State) would result in a “balance” of 7 teams in each time zone.
Now the Big 10 can offer MORE games in the NEXT time zone for TV.
Think of it as…”controlling the game clock.”

I consdier the addition of Mizzou, Nebraska,
and IowaSt as STONE-COLD LOCKS for the Big 10.

The addition of these three would be 14 teams.

If the Big 10 wanted to go to 16, they could likely add one team in each time zone. Perhaps, add Pitt in the East, and Kansas to the West.

If the Big 10 went to 18 teams, in addition to Pitt & Kansas, they would likely also add Syracuse in the East, and Kansas State in the West.

With 14, 16, or 18 teams, now the Big 10 would have football to offer fans all the way from mid-day in the Eastern time zone, until later in the night in the Central time zone.

The SEC has a time zone advantage with 5 teams in the Eastern and 7 teams in the Central. This is an advantage for the SEC when it comes to TV money. The SEC currently has more games to offer across a
longer/wider range of time.

The Big 10 knows this. Its the same reason the PAC10 wants to pick up teams in the Mountain time zone, like Colorado, Utah, etc.

The ACC has a BIG disadvantage in this manner as all teams play in Eastern time zone. No way to realy “extend” the clock.

Count on the Big10…”going West.”

supersize that order, mutt

May 3rd, 2010
5:00 pm

HBTD, I’m not insecure; I just know how assinine most of the mutts who post here are. Perhaps I am wrong about you; you will have to prove that, however. Regarding the T-Day game, I live 3 hours from Atlanta, and as much as I would have liked to go, I could not. If I lived in Atlanta, I would not have missed it. However, to be honest, I don’t see what the big to-do about spring games is anyway, no matter what school. Generally they are pretty boring, although it’s a nice chance to see what might be ahead for the following season.

wesleywhatwhat

May 3rd, 2010
5:02 pm

if your enrollment numbers come from wikipedia, why are they wrong?

u list georgia tech as having an enrollment of 12,966, which is wrong but close to the undergraduate enrollment number (13,515) but nowhere near the actual number students (20,291), according to wikipedia.

unless u are only using undergraduate numbers, but that doesn’t seem to be the case with auburn, for example. u list auburn as having 25,530 students while wikipedia says they have 20,302 undergrads and 24,137 total students.

i don’t really care how u can be off by 1,000+ with regard to other schools total enrollment but it seems that the other schools are listed by total enrollment while georgia tech is listed by undergrad enrollment only, which is a huge difference. is there any reason for that?

T3

May 3rd, 2010
5:05 pm

FSU & GT are both in the Eastern Time zone.

That would give the SEC 7 in the Eastern, and 7 in the Central.

This is how the SEC will “counter” some moves by other conferences.

Small Johnson

May 3rd, 2010
7:54 pm

This is coach Small Johnson

We will not enter the SEC because I cannot win with my middle school option veer.

Please Tech fans do not push this issue, I want to win many ACC chumpionships and be considered the greatest ACC coach ever.

I will not win and be a champion in the SEC

Again please do not push this issue UGA is too much to handle once a year. We cannot handle 7 UGA teams or my record will end up being a losing record!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ckgator

May 3rd, 2010
8:30 pm

I have been saying how much I’d like Tech back in the SEC for years. Would bring my Gators to town on occasion, bring much more interesting games to Tech, and would be great for the Atlanta economy – SEC fans travel!

This would also elevate the Tech program and revive some great classic match-ups like Bama / Auburn and so on.

All for it – at least consider switching places with Vandy!

messin with sasquatch

May 3rd, 2010
8:41 pm

On the other hand – CMR would like to join the ACC so he won’t have to play UF, UT, UA, and the other powerhouse SEC teams every year. Maybe he wouldn’t lose his job after 2010-2011 is another underachieving year capped off by another trip to a low country bowl game. And has the ghost of the fsu criminole come to athens to help cmr lose more players to jail?

Barack Dawg

May 3rd, 2010
10:47 pm

GT BABY –> Remember a little team from the Big Ten that spanked Tech in the Orange Bowl.

For you SEC championship counters – Tech won 5 while in the conference. UGA has won 12. Before this year, you had not won the ACC since 1998.

Look at your Bowl record the last 10 years. You have lost 5 bowl games in a row and you have only been to 1 BCS Bowl game which was last year. We have one 4 bowl games in a row and in the last 10 years we are 8 – 2 in bowl games and 3 are BCS Bowls where we are 2 and 1.

Also if you want to count National Championships – we could argue that we have 5 based on finishing with a number ranking in at least one of the final national polls and included in the Official NCAA Football Record book — 1942, 1980, 1927, 1946, 1968.

So you techies don’t think I am being biased, it should be noted we lost to GT 12 – 0 in the final game of the year in 1927 – regardless UGA finished ranked #1 in 2 polls recognized by the NCAA – Boand System and Poling System.

I don’t think you have to worry about an SEC invitation coming anytime soon. Regardless of what Sonny Purdue and company think, they don’t have any say so in the SEC. If they want to force it then they can but they can easily just move the game to a different location rather than playing in Atlanta, which of course be a mistake.

In addition, you would have to get rid of your coach because he does not run an offenseive scheme that would work long term in the SEC. You will see that if you play a talented SEC team. Also the argument made about Tech beating Auburn and Clemson beating a school – what happened last year in the ACC. UGA beat Tech and South Carolina beat Clemson. UGA beat South Carolina so does that make us the real champion from last year in the ACC? Just saying….

Barack Dawg

May 3rd, 2010
10:50 pm

messin with sasquatch – did he kick you in the a**? CMR does not care to be in the ACC. You should not his record in the last few years against anyone other than Florida. He is 3 – 1 against Alabama and 4 – 0 against Auburn the last 4 years. I don’t think he is going to be losing his job anytime soon. Morons like you are not in charge of the decision making.

supersize that order, mutt

May 3rd, 2010
11:26 pm

Barack, what you failed to mention is that while Tech was in the SEC, winning 5 conference championships, UGAG only won 3. The majority of the conference championships that UGAG has won have been since Tech left the SEC. Whether that would have made a difference, nobody knows, but odds are Tech would have won more, and UGAG would have probably won less. Counting the years prior to the SEC, when Tech and UGAG were in first the SIAC and then the old Southern conference, Tech has a total of 16 conference championships in football (Southern, SEC, and ACC); UGAG has a total of 14 (SIAC, Southern and SEC). You might also be interested in knowing that Tech won one SEC regular season basketball championship and one SEC basketball tournament (same year) while in the SEC. During that same time, UGAG won NONE of either. Since leaving the SEC, Tech has won two regular season ACC basketball championships and three ACC basketball tournament championships; UGAG has won one regular season SEC basketball championship, and two SEC tournament championships. Looks to me like no matter what the conference, and whether football or basketball, Tech can hold its own. It remains to be seen how the two schools would stack up against each other if Tech were back in the SEC. I for one would sure like to find out. And don’t go on and on about the last 10 years (or even last 40) years in football; if you’re going to consider the past as being relevant in determining the future, then you have to look at all the past, like I just attempted to do.

college football

May 3rd, 2010
11:55 pm

They would be a whipping post yearly, besides the SEC needs teams of character.