ACC defensive coordinators salaries…not too shabby — updated at 12:15 p.m.

When it was reported last week that Georgia Tech defensive coordinator Al Groh was going to be paid $150,000 a year, I immediately thought that he might be the lowest-paid in that position in the ACC.

So, I did some checking this morning (thanks to USA Today’s salary database) and discovered that yes, pre-bonus, Groh will be the lowest-paid defensive coordinator in the ACC, at least among the schools that have to report their coaches’ salaries.

Here is a chart, from highest-paid to lowest-paid, of the ACC’s defensive coordinators. Virginia’s Jim Reid is missing because his salary hasn’t been reported. Boston College, Duke, Miami and Wake Forest didn’t participate in USA Today’s report. The chart doesn’t include bonuses, just base pay:

Clemson’s Kevin Steele        $575,000*

Virginia Tech’s Bud Foster $402,000

FSU’s Mark Stoops                 $400,000

UNC’s Everett Withers          $330,000

Maryland’s Dan Brown         $307,440

N.C. State’s Mike Archer      $237,500

Ga. Tech’s Al Groh                  $150,000

* According to various reports, this is what Steele makes now. He got a $200k raise after Tennessee came calling.

Please keep in mind that Groh isn’t hurting for money, nor will he be. He’s receiving a buyout of $4 million-plus from Virginia. He will also receive a bonus from Tech of $321,000 in two years. And, if he’s still employed by Tech in two years, his salary will jump to $344,000.

So, if you divide the mandatory bonus of $321k by two and add it to Groh’s annual salary, he will actually make an average of $310.5 a year, not counting the bowl bonus.

If any of the other contracts have been reworked in the past month, let me know. My cursory check this morning didn’t turn up any hits for changes.

The biggest surprise to me is Steele’s raise. Against the better teams in the ACC — GT, Miami, for example — his defense got lit up. But, as I often say, what the heck do I know?

118 comments Add your comment

Saint Simon

February 8th, 2010
11:01 am

GT overpays their assistant coaches to let an unranked UGA football team to run 339 yards on them on national tv at Bobby Dodd stadium.

((((((((((((((UGA 30 – GT 24))))))))))))))))))))))))!!!!!

hahahaahahahahahahahahaahahahA!!!!!

WE RUN THIS STATE!!!!!!

FantasTECH

February 8th, 2010
11:19 am

Haha nothing like a mutt an embarrasing himself early in the morning. Please get back to work my Pizza is late Simon. What a loser!!

juvenal

February 8th, 2010
11:37 am

that’s why those 5* wr’s went somewhere they throw the ball…

wesleywhatwhat

February 8th, 2010
11:38 am

simple simon, maybe it escaped your notice that al groh didn’t actually work for GT during that embarassing loss to the other state school, so he couldn’t have been overpaid as u so cleverly claim.

WE RUiN THIS STATE

February 8th, 2010
11:45 am

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No Support from GT Fans

February 8th, 2010
11:45 am

The reason why Groh only makes $150K (W/O incentives and previous UVA buyout) is because GT fans don’t support their athletic programs. GT fans are the worst. You defend your program when other programs insult you with facts.

Be honest, do you fans actually support your football team? It’s funny to see how your “un”- Athletic program advertises in the AJC for season tickets in August and highlights UGA as the marquee game at Bobby Dodd. The odd years is when GT sells tickets because UGA fans buy up your season tickets just for one game.

You can offer as many free hotdogs and cokes to get fans in the stadium but the truth is GT fans are 12th rate.

UGA 30 – GT 24

Wrecked

February 8th, 2010
11:53 am

As for GT selling fewer tickets that UGA, let’s see:

Over the past many years, UGA has had a student body 2-3 times the size of GTs. Also, the last time I saw the stats (granted, a couple of years ago), over 70% of UGA grads stay in state. Over 50% of Tech grads get work out of state. Combine all of that together, and UGA has an in-state alumni base of 3-4x the size of GTs. So, duh, you’re probably going to be able to sell more tickets!

That’s what happens when:

1) You take quality over quantity, and
2) You degree is good enough to be in demand around the country instead of just your own backyard!

David

February 8th, 2010
11:58 am

kevin steele is at Tenn now

Jeff

February 8th, 2010
12:02 pm

No Support from GT Fans you are an idiot. He’s being payed a low amount because of this: In a statement to NBC29, UVA’s public affairs director Carol Wood says if Groh gets an athletics-related job making the same amount he was paid as coach before the two years is up, the payments will stop. If Groh gets a job at a lower salary during the two years the university plans to pay him, UVA will continue paying him the difference between the salaries.

http://www.nbc29.com/Global/story.asp?S=11593638

Sissy Dawg

February 8th, 2010
12:04 pm

No Support from GT – You don’t get it. Georgia has quantity of fans, but Georgia Tech has quality of fans. Even if Georgia wins, its fans are still losers. Everyone agrees (even other SEC teams) that Georgia’s fans are the rudest, ugliest, most obnoxious fans around. And, you also prove the fact that they are the dumbest too!

BigTimeTechFan

February 8th, 2010
12:11 pm

Groh Up Simon

dawgfan

February 8th, 2010
12:29 pm

Not too shabby Roberson? These guys are making half what SEC D-coordinators make and the ACC routinely embarrasses itself against elite teams from other BCS conferences. Connect the dots dude. Not too shabby? Are you serious?

Since the AJC obviously has no interest in doing anything other than stroking your already inflated egos, allow me to offer a different perspective Tech fans. Simply put, you get what you pay for. The top coaches do not want to coach in your little p!ss ant league because you do not offer the top salaries. Therefore, the ACC will continue to get mediocre results on the football field. You will continue to get smoked in BCS bowl games and owned by he SEC. This is not rocket science.
Not too shabby? Hilarious.

SansWorld

February 8th, 2010
12:31 pm

No Support from GT Fans?
Let’s face it, the average GT Grad has other things to worry about beside the football team. GT has some great fans, but their life, self-esteem, role in society, etc. is not built around how well the football team performs. So we have the best of both worlds: if the team does well, like the last few years, that’s great. If they have a down year, no one is gonna kill themselves over it.
On the other hand, It must be frustrating for a fan base that DOES build their life around their football team. If their team does not live up to expectations, you have nothing to fall back on. Bummer for UGA fans.

No Support From GT Fans

February 8th, 2010
12:32 pm

To all you GT fans that are angry at me because of the fact you fans don’t support your athletic program (as I mentioned in my initial blog),

It doesn’t matter if Groh was the highest paid assistant in college football, it wouldn’t matter. GT fans do not support your football team or any other GT sports. IT’S A FACT!!!

Don’t use make excuses because UGA has more students therefore they have a bigger fanbase. Be honest: I know all of you GT fans call UGA fans “rednecks”. But as UGA grad, I know not all the UGA fans graduated from UGA. heck, I am quite sure that 50% of the loyal fanbase that go to every home game never step foot on campus as a student. But they are just fans. It’s because UGA knows how to brand their football program whereas GT brands their football program by de-valuing their brand by offering free hotdogs and cokes! What a joke!! You stadium holds less that 60,000 seats and you still cannot sell out. UGA holds over 93,000 and it is sold out every week. Plus, there is an additional 5K-10K people outside the stadium trying to buy tickets to get in the stadium.

Face it: GT Fans are lame and once you have come to this realization, then maybe you’ll realize the truth that GT is a 12th rate program in the ACC.

Paul in RDU

February 8th, 2010
12:32 pm

I have to believe that the listing for Bud Foster is for 2009 – i.e. before being a beneficiary of the Mark Richt Pay Increase for DC’s Program

SansWorld

February 8th, 2010
12:44 pm

No Support From GT Fans, possibly UGA fans should explore life outside football. It is a big beautiful world out there. No one doubts the loyalty of the UGA fan base, but is that really the most important thing in life? If you respond yes, I think you prove my point.

I Bleed White and Gold

February 8th, 2010
12:49 pm

No support, you claim Tech fans don’t support any sport in which we participate??? Have you checked attendance at the barn in Athens lately, or ever? I hardly call the turnouts there support for the mutts. Plus in the fall of every year, there are billboards all over the state attempting to sell tickets to UGAG basketball games. How desparate is that?

collegeballfan

February 8th, 2010
12:49 pm

No Support from GT Fans – GT grads support the GT football team about as bad as the UGA grads support the UGA basketball team.

P/S – if you are not a grad, but just a fan, you do not matter.
In the grand scheme, fans are about as important as ants at a picnic.
Grads matter.

I Bleed White and Gold

February 8th, 2010
12:54 pm

I wonder how many of these butt-sniffers contribute to the actual university; after all it IS the university which SHOULD matter. Seeing as how Tech has always ranked among the highest in the nation for alumni (non-athletics) support, I guess UGAG just waits for those butt-sniffers under the gold dome in downtown Atlanta to GIVE them MY tax money instead.

Doug Roberson

February 8th, 2010
12:59 pm

You know what my man, 150k in this economy is pretty good coin. I don’t give a flip what coordinators in other conferences make, to be honest. I’ve said many times that I think salaries in every sport, on every level, are ridiculous.

So, yeah, Groh’s not making SEC money. But, he’s not like he’s making $5.25 an hour either.

You want to win the coaches’ salary war that’s fine, but it doesn’t really mean anything.

Supersize that order, mutt

February 8th, 2010
1:11 pm

Well put, Doug, and I agree completely with you.

Alabama Jack

February 8th, 2010
1:12 pm

dumb delusional irrelevant dawgs suck.

GT Anchorage

February 8th, 2010
1:29 pm

No Support From GT Fans, do you donate to the alumni association at uga? I’m sure that you can’t afford it with your hourly wage at taco bell, but its okay for you to bash other programs for not donating. When I donate, I donate to the Aerospace program at Tech, not athletics because unlike uga graduates football isn’t everything. In fact, academics is much more important than sports. I would not be where I am now without the GT degree. Maybe one day I will make enough access money to donate to the football program, but until then, I will continue to show my support through the purchase of tickets.
And to be quite honest with you, I would rather not have any fans at all show up than the ones that go to uga games. I would love to see the percentage of people that go to those games that live in trailer parks. I would guess that its pretty high. I’ve been to the stink hole that Athens is many times and I truly believe that the only reason anyone would ever go there is because its easy and its a party school.

Gators!!

February 8th, 2010
1:42 pm

Georgia Tech is a bunch of losers that play in a weak conference. No Dwyer, Morgan, or Thomas means you’re in for a really bad year. You guys are a laughing stock, couldn’t even beat UGA, and they SUCK!!

GT Anchorage

February 8th, 2010
1:53 pm

Gators!!, could you post some more pictures of you jorts? Those never get old, and make if very easy to make fun of gator fans. But then again, some of the uga fan picks are even funnier.

GT Anchorage

February 8th, 2010
1:57 pm

and your right, uga does suck

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

February 8th, 2010
2:01 pm

On another topic………..what’s going on with the search for a LB/Recuiting Coord. job? Don’t you think it’s about time for an announcement?????

GA Tech Insider

February 8th, 2010
2:06 pm

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz – Stay Tuned…

dawgfan

February 8th, 2010
2:14 pm

I don’t care about winning a coaches salary war either. I care about winning games. To do that you need good coaches. To get good coaches you have to pay them a lot of money. It should be no mystery why the ACC is a crap conference. They get what they pay for.

Coaches salaries don’t really mean anything? Attracting the best and brightest doesn’t really mean anything? On what planet or in what socialist country is this the case? Good grief.

Okay Techies, please keep thinking that coaches salaries don’t mean anything and please keep hiring 65 year old DC’s that are well past their prime. We Georgia fans are not going to argue with you.

Simply hilarious.

GT Anchorage

February 8th, 2010
2:24 pm

If your not going to argue with us then why post a statement that is arguing with tech fans? Although, I do agree with you about how money is going to bring in good coaches. But with coaches, age doesn’t really matter. What matters is their thinking ability and scheme. Groh has had great defenses at Virginia, he just couldn’t muster up any offense.
By the way, Groh is getting paid pretty well considering that he has a 4 million dollar payout. I think that Tech got him for a steal and will be able to keep him around for 4 or 5 years.

To your comment about the ACC being a crap conference, I think that the coastal division is going to be one of the best in the nation. They are going to be extremely competitive which will hurt them in the standings, but whoever comes out on top will have to get through a very tough schedule. With the exception of Virginia and Duke, everyone should be ranked. The Atlantic division is another story, they should be very top heavy.

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzz

February 8th, 2010
2:25 pm

Well dawgfan, Groh’s income is technically well over 2 million a year. Why should GT pay him more at this point…at least until his deal w/ UVA has been paid out? That would be pretty stupid don’t you think? It’ll be interesting to see if UGA or GT made the better hire at DC come the end of next year. I still wonder why you guys offered Smart so much money knowing he was just going to parlay it into a raise at Bama. But why should I care?

Doug Roberson

February 8th, 2010
2:36 pm

OK Dawgfan, prove that it matters. Boise State doesn’t pay the most. It’s winning. Tech doesn’t pay the most. It’s winning. USC and Notre Dame paid more than $50 million the past four seasons. What did they get? To assume that you have to pay the most to get the best is absurd, particularly as it applies to college sports. After all, there’s only one No. 1 when the day is done.

Coaches are smart. Very smart. They are educated men. Most hold masters and have worked long, long hours and spent more time away from their families than with. They know more about football, motivation and running a multi-million dollar operation than I do.

However, other than the NFL, there’s really no other place to coach football. It’s a shame that the barn door is open and salaries are going up, because there’s no reason that it was ever needed, in my opinion. I won’t begrudge them for taking what the market provides, but the market seems slightly out of whack.

Tech Forever

February 8th, 2010
2:43 pm

Well Said Doug. It always amazes me how UGA fans seem to think they’re situation in college athletics is the norm and rag on Tech for not having the same size program as UGA does without realizing 1) that Tech will never have a program of that size and 2) 90% of the college athletics world will never have a program that size. They view Vanderbilt as obsolete and not worthy of their energy in ridicule and SAY the same thing about Tech, yet they come on Tech blogs and ridicule a program in the same boat as 90% of all the other programs. Geniuses….really.

The Dude

February 8th, 2010
2:43 pm

Dawgfan, I think you just got owned by someone who, when not writing a great column for Georgia Tech sports, would be on your side of the fence.

juvenal

February 8th, 2010
2:44 pm

one thing about fanbase, since a certain % is lunatic fringe, the more fans you have….

Supersize that order, mutt

February 8th, 2010
3:01 pm

WOW, way to go, Doug. Although most of them are too stupid to realize it, you just totally dissed most of the mutts who post here. Keep it up, my man !!!

Doug Roberson

February 8th, 2010
3:15 pm

I’m not trying to diss anyone.
It’s more the process that concerns me. It’s a vicious cycle. Very few colleges make money on sports, very few. However, folks want a winner. Should an AD not pay top dollar to get someone, fans go bananas. When he does, and things don’t turn out as well as you hoped, that’s a pretty big chunk of change that was just spent for very little return. And, because there can be only one No. 1, those that have won are a small commodity that can demand whatever they want (looking at you Alabama). It’s those that haven’t won anything as a head coach and who get the big bucks (looking at you Charlie Weis) that throws the market out of whack for everyone else is what drives me bonkers.
That’s my little rant. I apologize. Now, back to work.

juvenal

February 8th, 2010
3:28 pm

actually, after osu, Buck Belue assigned anyone that wanted to fire CMR to the”lunatic fringe” & went on to say 75% of uga fans supported him…so Doug, is paying somebody 750K$/yr. X3yrs. who has never been successful at the DC level an example of skewed salaries?

GA Tech Insider

February 8th, 2010
3:30 pm

By now, the word has been leaked that Andy McCollum, from NC State, has accepted the position as GA Tech’s new Recruiting Coordinator and Inside Linebacker’s Coach. This was intended to be held back for a while, but someone has let the cat out of the bag a bit early, so here you go…

Salaries don't mean anything?

February 8th, 2010
3:31 pm

If you tech fans don’t believe salaries don’t mean anything, then you are fooling yourself.

Take UGA for example, we pay our coaches more than what GT pays their coaches. What does that mean? How about BEATING your football team 8 of the last 9 years!

What else does that mean? It means our expectations of winning are significantly higher because we hold our coaches accountable. We are disappointed when we lose 1 or 2 games and finish 12-1 or 11-2 game whereas GT is excited to win 6 so that they are bowl eligible.

Don’t use Boise State as an example because they don’t play anybody and they are NOT a national program. The BSU and the Utah’s and TCU’s play weak teams and they sneak up the polls because the big time programs beat each other up. So by default, the BSU, Utahs, TCU’s move up in the poll even though they do not deserve it.

That’s the difference.

Go Dawgs!

Doug Roberson

February 8th, 2010
3:36 pm

so why did UGA lose to kentucky? Rich Brooks didn’t make as much as Richt.

And if you are donating some cash so that UGA can pay its coaches more than 6 million a year and ensure that you beat GT every year, you’ve got some bigger problems than arguing with me

dawgfan

February 8th, 2010
3:39 pm

One is worth whatever someone is willing to pay them. That’s the market. That’s capitalism. That’s America.

Okay, I’ll prove that it matters. Which conference has the highest paid coaches in the nation? The SEC. Which conference has fielded 3 different teams to win the past 4 national titles? The SEC. Which conference has the best BCS bowl record? The SEC. Urban Meyer is the highest paid coach because he wins championships. Nick Saban makes 4 mil a year because he wins championships. Mark Richt makes 2.5 mil a year because he wins SEC titles and craps all over “the other state school” darn near every time he plays them. $$$ is winning and winning is $$$$. I fail to see what is even remotely controversial about this. If you want to win big you have to have the resources. Techies routinely whine about not having the resources of the Florida’s, LSU’s and USC’s of college football, but now all of the sudden $$$ is meaningless? Absolutely laughable.

Boise State wins because they play in the WAC. Tech wins because it plays in the ACC and schedules Gardner Webb and Jack State OOC. Tech gets humiliated by a 5 loss SEC team and Iowa because it is a second rate program paying second rate money for second rate coaches. USC had a down year because it was decimated by graduation and NFL early entrants. Notre Dame loses because it can no longer attract top talent. These are exceptions and not the rule.

You want to win big you’ve got to pay a big price. Good luck trying to get elite coaches to come to the ACC for ACC money. Let me know how that works out for ya…

WOW.

killerJ

February 8th, 2010
3:40 pm

Hey St.Simon,Tech under pays there coaches to win 4 national championships to Ugags over paid 1. 2009- Tech
2 Championship trophies. Ugag-1 swamp bowl trophy. Have a good day!

Doug Roberson

February 8th, 2010
3:41 pm

You are confusing worth with results. If you are worth what someone is willing to pay, that doesn’t mean you will get those results. That’s my point.

Pushkin

February 8th, 2010
3:44 pm

Is UNC’s defense overrated? Will they really not have a top-5 defense next year? Will their defensive stars not get drafted highly? Speak up….Speak up. I can’t hear you.

Disagree

February 8th, 2010
3:47 pm

Someone said that Tech will never have a fanbase the size of UGA’s. I disagree on the basis that ANY program can grow its brand by winning consistently. Consider this – Did anyone in the country know what a “VT/VPI, Hokie, or Beamer” was before the ’80’s? Well, we do now! No, they don’t have an SEC stadium or SEC money, but isn’t it something that a program with essentially no football history can rise to become a force in the BCS? And they’ve done it largely under one head coach and some dedicated coordinators. Seriously, who wants to play them? Boise State does…speaking of whom…you WEREN’T speaking of them even 10 years ago! Football power and fan-fame shifts to wherever consistent results live. UGA and Tech’s roles began about opposite of what they are today, and if 9+ win seasons stay the norm on the Flats the fan base WILL rebuild. Do that for 20 years and see if this state’s teams aren’t more even in fan base. Not saying that will happen, but you’d be wrong saying it couldn’t!

Pushkin

February 8th, 2010
3:54 pm

Tech pays its professors more than does UGa and gets better results. Tech students pay more than UGa does for education and they get a better product.

Math lesson for the Dawgs

February 8th, 2010
3:56 pm

UGA: you paid $750,000 out of desperation for your 4th choice! There is not a realistic dawg fan out there who doesn’t know Grantham or whatever his name is was a last minute hire cause UGA had egg X 3 on its face.

GT: we paid $150,000 for our first choice! And guess what, he’s still making more overall than your guy.

So in conclusion, dawg math is as good as a dawg degree: not very.

HAHA. 45-42.

CatsFly

February 8th, 2010
3:57 pm

What is UGa’s record against LSU during the first decade of 2000, and how will LSU fare against UNC? Will LSU dominate since they are a leading SEC team playing against a mid tier ACC team?

Disagree

February 8th, 2010
4:03 pm

As a Tech student…I will say that I would love it if the administration did more to make the tailgating experience better. My suggestion? Level Peter’s Parking Deck turning it into a Greek/Stadium Area park just North of the action on Callaway Plaza (as it was first intended by the Peters Family) then replace the parking in decks on the campus perimeter. We would have the ACC’s only real equivalent to “the Grove” or Bama’s Denny Chimes Quad. My belief s that centralizing the tailgating would an several hundred more fans within a couple years just from the perception of a more relaxed and open experience to game day tailgating.

Just my 2 cents…