CPJ wants a playoff system

No Paul, you were first! I’m second.

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If there was a playoff today, both Alabama and Florida would rest their star players for the rest of the season, having already locked up their berths in the SEC Championship Game. With a win over Duke, Tech would probably rest Nesbitt, Dwyer, etc. against Uga, Clemson would probably do the same agains USC. The regular season is the playoff in college football.

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third!

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btk tek would get hammered by UF,ALA,TX,….!

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TEK HAS NO DEFENSE.

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And UGA does?

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There ya go… trash talking will make it all better. Joe Cox sucks, Caleb King sucks, Martinez sucks, Bobo sucks, we all know so just do what you need to to make your day better. It’s hard to be overshadowed by a real football program, I understand.

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superDawg

Well we all know this for certain, the last time UGA played Bama and UF, UGA was thoroughly embarrassed

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Tell ‘em, GT4LIFE. There claim to fame is their great fan support. Nice 10% missing on Homecoming! Good Luck against Kentucky to try to get a .500 season. Auburn and Tech are lost causes.

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A lot of teams get to partipate with the current bowl structure. A playoff system would restrict the number of teams that get to participate. So it will always be voted down.

What we got is what we got.

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Why not a + 4 (or at least a + 2) after the bowls? Set the bowls up to be quarterfinals. I like the bowl structure and I like every regular season game counting. But I actually feel for the TCUs of the world.
Had we beaten Miami, we would still be looking up at at least UF, Bama, Texas (and I would be howling mad)….

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Yeah, we could be bitter a bit if we win out and dont get a chance. LEts see if we trya nd have an alum put it into the state senate (like that has weight). So just remember you dog fans were here a couple of years back. I’ve thought it is the thing to do for a decade as a lot of football fans have felt…..no surprise there.

Obama wants it, maybe he can cook up some sort of bloated stimulus package for the bowl folks and make it happen. If he can do that I’ll vote for him.

Yes if there is a playoff system, we may have some people rest their star players. It can happen but it would not be like college hoops where a ton of teams get in.

I’m just glad we can talk about this stuff.

To the Tech Jr stars (Dwyer, Morgan, Burnett, Thomas) – Please come back next year. I’d love for this team to stay together because we would have a serious chance at a national title if none of you go pro and the gamesgo as well as most of them have this year. (I didn’t add Nesbitt because I think he’ll be back although I think he could go pro and make it as a running back or QB. Look at Pat White)

Someone make a T-Shirt and call our offense the Wreckbone!!

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wreckbone your an idiot.

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CPJ is entirely correct. It’s good to see him start to “advocate” for GT in a roundabout way. I would speculate his comments are not entirely directed at playoff advocacy as much as trying to get attention for what he and his/our team is doing right now and get more “respect” from the media as a whole (are you listening, Heather Dinich/ESPN?). I would also speculate that CPJ realizes that this Tech team is/could be “special” and that he wants to do some PR work for the team in regards BCS voting. He’s doing what a great coach with a great team should – pull for and promote them in the media.

Also, if there were an 8-team playoff, who really thinks Florida or Alabama or Texas really could prepare for a spread option offensive onslaught in such short order? A coach that’s won 2 national titles in a playoff format would know, I think. Not saying right off that we would win a national title playoff, but the thought of this Tech team in an 8-team playoff and its chances would definitely appeal .

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Yes, you have to really wonder about the psyche of some of those UGA fans.

As for UGA, I hope they win every game except for one. If you really wanted the best for your program, you would want to meet that Saturday after Thanksgiving with both teams being undefeated, makes for a bigger game, more media attention and better results win or lose based on the current system.

UGA will get better, eventually, everything goes in cycles. Based on the recruiting classes that UGA gets, they really should be much better. Guess you can’t really measure anything until they play the game which is how it should be.

As for why they show themselves here and add nothing to the subject at hand, can’t answer. It’s obviously motivated by a perceived lack of something.

As for a playoff (which is the real subject we should be discussing), I would be all for some sort of eight or sixteen team playoff with other satellite bowls to fill the television gaps that warrant and support other games. A sixteen team playoff would take about a month to play, so you are not talking about going much longer than we do now. I would also eliminate the league championships as they present a potentially unfair scenario to those who have them vs those that do not. The satellite bowls would fill in the television gaps created over the holiday period since there would not be as many playoff games toward the end of the period as there are bowls now.

To say the regular season is the playoffs doesn’t work because of the relative strength of conferences and strength of schedules. The problem will be how you define the top 8 or 16 teams. You just can’t make everyone happy.

Who knows, just an alternative.

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As usual, I agree with Coach. I think there can be bowls for the non-qualifiers, but there must be at least an 8 team playoff for the NC.

Go Jackets!!

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How about a 6 team playoff? That way, the top 2 teams would have a bye. There would be real incentive to not rest your best for both the bye and the potential to drop out of the top 6.

I love my jackets and yes, they could beat anyone on any given Saturday. But, I don’t think they’re the best team in the country. I think the best team in the country is sitting in the top 6 though, year in and year out. I’m tired of the beauty pageant.

All this said, if our juniors return next year, there is no doubt in my mind that we’ll be the best team in the country. If they all stay, in addition to having a shot at the NC (even with a loss probably), we’ll probably produce three first/second round picks in 2010. That’s a big shot in the arm for recruiting. Here’s to hoping!

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of course he does…..since the nerds will not be playing for the NC….lol

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I go all the way back the to ’50s rooting for GT. Along the way we have had some great teams. i think CPJ has a chance to relive the glory days of Dodd. But honestly i dont think that this year’s team has the ‘D’ to play the hosses in the country. Are they one of the top 10, absolutely. So far the only team to have a month to prepare during the season is LSU last year. We are all embarassed over that one. Hopefully the squad remembers that one.

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45-42=haha… Your theory makes no sense. Who says you would have to set it up to where the conference champs automatically go. That is not how they do it in the lesser divisions. Every game would be just as important as they are now because it would be very hard for a two loss team to make an eight team playoff.

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I DON’T CARE ABOUT ANY OF THIS!!!
ALL I WANT TO DO IS BEAT GEORGIA THIS YEAR!!!

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GT would not be in a playoff. As Doug said 3 SEC teams deserve to be in the top 10. Some years because they don’t all play each other in the regular season, there may be 4 SEC teams. 2 teams each from the Big 10 and 12, one from the PAC and Notre Dame (at 7-4) should round out the yearly playoff slots.

If there is a playoff, the regular season has to matter and no more than 2 teams from any conference can make the playoffs. Also need to prevent stupid situations where the press can insert a 7-4 Notre Dame just because they are ND.

There will be more arguements with the playoffs if the playoff spots are selected by the press or computers. Eliminate the press from the equation and make a clear way to earn a playoff spot regardless of the size of your alumni base or your history.

The press will be disappointed in a playoff as they will lose their votes.

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Buzz……Bama or Florida would beat Tech. You need to worry about getting by Clemson again.

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Hey GT4Life, 31-3 is how you match up when a team (LSU just in case you blocked it out) has a month prepare. What a loser!

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“Playoffs are a bad idea in major college football. Everyone mentions that “this is how every other sport determines its champion.” But everyone fails to mention that every other sport has a regular season that pretty much doesn’t matter.”

I don’t understand this–how can one say that “every other sport[that has a playoff] has a regular season that pretty much doesn’t matter”, when a teams performance DURING the regular season is what determines who GOES to a playoff? I’d say in all these other sports the regular season still matters very much.

In fact, in the current system, in which this year there may be up to five undefeated teams by season’s end, the regular season will not have “mattered” for three of those teams as only two will get to compete for the MNC because they were in the glamour conferences, while the other three were not.

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I don’t believe Paul Johnson has any sour grapes just because GT is in the title hunt this year. He’s only stating the obvious. He knows it’s all about the money.

An 8-team playoff would definitely put to rest any gripes about the true National Champ. Well almost. It could be that on any given Saturday (or Thursday night) any team in the Top 25 could beat any team in the Top 8. But a playoff involving more than 8 teams doesn’t stand a chance of being accepted. Eight teams means 3 games. That would be so easy to do using the existing Bowls. The first round could be played the week of Christmas. Round two on New Years Day. And the Championship game two weeks later to give the two teams time to rest any bumps and bruises. The details would be in picking which major bowls to include. Even if the NCAA picked 10 or more Bowl sites I am sure they could work out an equitable rotation schedule that would give them all a chance at the title game over time.

I know I’m dreaming but what else can we do at this point. If Boise and TCU go undefeated and neither get to the Championship game, there will always be a lingering doubt. If GT goes 13-1 and beats Cincinnati in a Bowl game, what does that say? Texas or Florida or Alabama will be happy. The others have been screwed again.

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White & Gold Forever when was the last time Tech sold out the season or even a game?? You could not even sell out the VaTech. Never I would say. Even with the 10% missing it is still more than Tech ever has at a game. So drop the attendance topic. If you can’t come with anything better go pound sand.

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Not so fast Cherokee. Tech wouldn’t have to lose against anyone I’ve seen and I’ve watched my team all year long (Alabama). I definitely think they’s play Florida better than anyone has played them all year and might beat them.

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Cherokee, would you rather play in front of 95k and lose instead of playing in front of 50k and win….go away

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Steve Gold and white brought it up not me. Besides when has Tech had 50k at a game?

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The Dawgs are not going to win a title, deal with it.

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Steve, I said worry by Clemson again. As in the ACCG

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Paul Johnson knows exactly what a playoff would look like because of his years at Ga. Southern. I have yet to understand why a playoff works so well in Division 1AA, Division II, and Division III, but for some reason it is doomed to fail with the big schools. Each of those other divisions have a 16 team playoff and it works out well. In fact, I cannot think of another collegiate level sport that does not have a playoff system. There is only one reason people can be against it – money. Too much money is made with the bowl system and people are afraid they will lose out. It is time for a change. I am sure people will figure out how to make money off of a playoff system.

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I think its funny how all uga people are still stuck in high school. Calling people that are smarter than you nerds is not going to help you get anywhere, although it might make you think that you are cool. I think if you call your boss, who is more likely to have graduated from Tech than from georgia, a nerd, it would not go over well. Although, they can probably call them nerds all they want sitting at home jobless.
I think that there might be positions open in garbage collection and sanitation engineering in Atlanta, but that might be all that a person with a uga degree is qualified for.

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My solution:
Keep the BCS (and all the other bowls) but make the following changes:
1) Give equal weight to number of losses and strength of schedule (so an undefeated team with a weak sched. can be passed by a 1 loss team with a tough schedule)
2) Get rid of the coaches poll (they don’t watch any other games), keep the computer polls
3) For any polls that are used, they are not allowed to assign or publish a ranking until all teams in the top 25 have played at least three games (ditch the preseason polls).
4) If your school is in a conference, only conference champs qualify for NC game. If you can’t win your Conf. you’re out.
5) As a tiebreaker, use non-conference strength of schedule (this will make the season a lot more interesting and give top teams incentive to play worthy opponents).
6) No special rules for Notre Dame.

That’s it.

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I stand corrected Savannah Jacket. GO JACKETS!!

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BEAT DUKE

dawg fans suck

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Blago: You are a true idiot!!!!!1LOL

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Cherokee, thanks for joining us with such original topics.

When was the last time we had 50,000 in the stands?
We’ve had over 50,000 (in about a 55,000 person stadium at a school that has 15,000 students) at the following games this year:
Wake Game – 51,000
VT Game – 54,500
UNC Game – 50,500
Clemson Game – 52,000

Who have we beat?
#20 VT (was #4 when we beat them)
#24 Clemson
Who have you beat?
No one ranked

What’s your point?

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GT Anchorage-If the rest of us can figure out the playoff system with all the bowl games how come the rest of them can’t see it? The bowls won’t go away. Hell, There are only 6-8 meaningful bowls as it is. The rest can just go away. But, if the muckity mucks insist on 50 bowl games, sure you can get teams like this years UGA squad to go to the “All Bark, No Bite Dog Biscuits” Bowl @ Bil-Jac Stadium in Medina, OH.

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Maybe the NC should be based on the total number of point a team scores in the regular season,then take 1 and 2 and let them play for the NC…..

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Blago,
I agree with you and also disagree. I agree that every Saturday, when GT plays, it is a big deal to my entire household. We watch the games, go to games, talk about the games (just played and going to be played), and are excited about the entire football season.

However, I disagree in that I would like to see a meaningful way to estbalish who is the best in college football that is fair and makes sense. The bowls could be the basis for a “playoff” system that could with the winners of the major bowls lead to a true playoff that determines a true national champ. It wouldn’t take too much imagination to develop a way to do it and keep the importance and excitement of each Saturday’s games at the same level as it has today.

I know this, it ain’t gonna happen, for the reason already mentioned: money. I also know something else, no matter how good or bad Tech and Georgia play each year; whether they are both ranked, both suck, or one or the other is having a good year, that last Saturday in November will always be the game that counts more than any in my house and in a lot of others in this state! Go Jackets!

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GT For You and Me: Thank you for that insightful post. ROFL. LMAO. Har har.

WhiteandGold: Look, all I’m saying is that it isn’t in the best interest of a junior to stick around for his senior year if he’s a first day pick. Football players have limited snaps in them. There’s no reason for them to use any up in college and risk ruining the rest of their lives.

The guys coming back for their senior years are not what makes college football great. We could lose every junior every year and college football would not be lessened in any way. College basketball is very different, requiring players to stay only one year. All that requirement does is create confusion and a lack of continuity in a program. 3 years versus 4 in football doesn’t make nearly as big a difference.

Sam Bradford has had no impact on this season’s college football landscape, except making thousands of people feel bad for him now that his stock has dropped for no return (And yes, it has definitely dropped. We just don’t know how much yet.) Tim Tebow has not had much impact on this year’s college football landscape. That defense (and Brandon Spikes) is carrying that team while the offense has been struggling to find its way (because Percy did the smart thing and left while he still had his health… Tebow put his future in jeopardy with his concussion). Vince Young did not stay an extra year. Colt McCoy did, and he has been almost as much of a non-event as Tebow.

You were disappointed to hear I’m a GT fan because I care about the well being of the players I cheer for every Saturday? How is that a disappointing attitude?

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Is it better for 90,000 fans see you lose or 30,000 see you win? Hope those numbers are not too staggering for you>

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Blago, quick question for you. Say the year ends with 5 undefeated teams (Florida, Texas, Boise, TCU, and Cincy). How do you justify your arguement to 3 of those undefeated schools left out of the title game? “I am sorry you miss out on playing for the title. But it honestly does not matter because my school’s game against Tennessee Tech, Elon, Jacksonville State (fill in the blank) really, really mattered in the current system. And if we included you in a playoff system that would make that game less important. Let’s overlook the fact that a USC, Ohio State, or Notre Dame is consistently perceived to be a national title contender even in down years. Excuse the current system for giving them a chance at the title even while losing a game (even a pathetic lose like Washington). But hey, try scheduling some better non-conference games next year and try to get lucky. I mean, they say the odds of getting hit by a meteorite are like 1 in 500,000, and I think your odds may be slightly better than that. Or maybe not.”

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The biggest obstacle to developing and implementing a playoff system is determining WHICH teams would be “invited”. If the playoff is for the top eight teams, who gets to decide which teams fall in that group? If it’s based on coaches or writers polls, then we won’t be any better off than we are now. Eric suggests that the rankings should be done by computers, but each computer programmer has his/her own bias … otherwise they would all yield the same result.

I submit that a big part of the problem is that there are too many teams in FBS (Division 1A) football to make an effective comparison. People talk about the “mighty SEC” … yet even the most die-hard SEC fans recognize that certain schools are going to lose 75%+ of their conference games EVERY SEASON. (I don’t even have to list the names … you KNOW who I’m talking about!) Perhaps those schools should be relegated to FCS (1-AA) status for football purposes.

Here’s a suggestion … establish eight FBS conferences, with no more than eight teams in each conference, and require that each school MUST play every other conference opponent during the season. (I hate the fact that you can currently have two undefeated “co-champions” in the Big 10, for example … simply because they didn’t have to play EACH OTHER.) Also require each school to play four additional games AGAINST OTHER FBS SCHOOLS. If we’re going to keep a 12-game schedule, then one game against a FCS opponent would be permitted. No conference championship games would be played. Champions would be determined solely on the basis of results on the field. At the end of the season, the eight conference champions would qualify for the national playoff.

This idea is far too radical to ever be implemented, but I believe it would provide better entertainment through the regular season and a more meaningful national championship at the end.

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If you want a true “national championship” in football, you have to have national (balanced) scheduling. Make LSU’s schedule, Boise’s State’s schedule, and everyone else’s schedule as equal as possible. Re-done every year without regard to conferences. If you don’t, you’re back in the same situation, comparing teams with a difference of two or three games in the loss column for the 8th… or worse, the 16th… spot.

To those who advocate a playoff with conference champions: that’s totally unfair to powerful conferences. With a playoff system, the goal changes from “win a national championship” to “make the playoffs” (see other sports for numerous examples). There are plenty of seasons where two or even three teams from the same conference ended up in the top 8.

I’m not saying you can’t still have rivalry games. Heck, I’m not even saying that this is the answer (I happen to favor Blago’s argument). I will just point out in closing that college football teams play a third of the games that basketball teams play, the basketball tournament lets in 64 teams, and they still have a dozen programs whining in March about not getting in.

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Re-boot,

It’s all about the money. There are 120 FBS teams, (1-A), and 125 FCS teams, (1-AA).

Just take the top 8 in the BCS and put them in primetime playoff bowl games with the top 4 having buys and let the rest of the teams play in the other 25 bowl games that don’t mean anything.

This way the sanctity of the regular season is preserved and we would get to see match-ups like USC vs Fla and Texas vs Alabama and each week the games get bigger and more exciting.

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The US thrives on the underdog. A 8 team playoff would satisfy both of our arguments. You would limit the playoffs to only the teams that consistently performed well throughout the entire season, but you would also provide the underdog the shot at the title. Also, think about your argument for a second. Say the NFL was structured like college football, and the top 2 voted teams play for the title. Hypothetically, Tom Brady goes down with a sprained ankle in the middle of the 2007 season. He misses 4 weeks of which the Patriots lose 3 games. He then comes back and the Patriots win out the rest of the season. The exact same team finishes the year that you argue was the best team that season, but the NFL voting system give the nod to the 13-3 Colts and the 13-3 Cowboys to play for the title…. now what? You have 2 teams playing for a title that never made it to the title game in a playoff system playing for the title. All because the QB was injured for a 4 game stretch on what could arguably be the best team in NFL history. That exact scenario happens every season in college football. You do not hear this arguement in the NFL because they avoid it by creating a playoff. Then the 2 best teams get the shot to win it. If they don’t, that is their own fault. But they still had a shot. You don’t eliminate great teams because of one instance of bad luck. A fumble that wasn’t a fumble, a blown call by the refs, a freak injury… the playoff system neutralizes those and gives each team a fair opportunity.

Side arguement, I would argue that the time between the conference championships and the bowl games creates an unfair advantage to teams that are better at scheming. If every game is important during the season, then why give teams multiple weeks to prepare for a bowl game? Completely contradicts what makes the regular season so important… another reason a playoff system creates a more level playing field.

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