You be the judge
Since there has been much ado about the blocks made by Georgia Tech against Virginia Tech in their game two weeks ago, I thought I’d let you see a couple of clips that a Hokies fan posted on youtube.com
The first:
Chop block?
As you can see, at first it appears that the Virginia Tech defensive lineman is being chop blocked, an illegal block in which one player engages a defender high while another defender engages him low.
But, if you watch closely, Georgia Tech’s guard actually doesn’t engage the defender, he simply runs by and he two players briefly collide. It is then that Georgia Tech’s tackle goes low and hits him. It’s a fine line, but it is the line.
I have no idea if I’m correct, but that’s what it looks like to me.
The second:
Crackback block?
Virginia Tech coach Frank Beamer said this was one of several plays in which safety Kam Chancellor was illegally blocked.
I’m sorry, but I don’t see it. Chancellor is cleanly blocked.
So, there are likely other plays, but at least in these two examples I don’t see it.
There had to have been some, otherwise the ACC wouldn’t have told Beamer that there were four missed blocks.
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In other news, Georgia Tech coach Paul Johnson said that Cooper Taylor likely won’t play again this season. He is going to apply to the NCAA for a medical redshirt.
Julian Burnett may return this week, however.
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TechDan
October 26th, 2009
9:20 pm
First!
And it’s “ado,” not “to do.”
Go Jackets
October 26th, 2009
9:23 pm
Virginia Tech shouldn’t be calling us dirty when they’ve had players like Marcus Vick on the team.
hedgepruner
October 26th, 2009
9:25 pm
Beamer didnt complain about any blocks last year when the turkeys “I mean gobblers”,won at home , all of a sudden when they get thier arses kicked they want to play that card, get over it VT , Georgia Tech was just the better team that night !!! THWG !!!!
Tim
October 26th, 2009
9:30 pm
Stop crying turkeys! We won fair and square…not like last year when the refs gave you the game on the bogus helmut to helmut call.
Born2Buzz
October 26th, 2009
9:32 pm
The chop block was dicey and kind of cheap. I didn’t notice it at first because it was on the back end of the play.
The crack back was a clean block .
Too bad about Cooper. Hope he can come back next year.
OMG
October 26th, 2009
9:37 pm
I’m glad the story just came out how VT Coach Beamer and Kam Chancellor are crying that they were chopped blocked. It gives me another opportunity to mock these back wood inbreds and first losers by the way .. too bad too sad. Coach Paul Johnson has already addressed the ACC officials last summer in a conference about what a chop block really is and what isn’t. You know keep up the boo hooing and you might not even be the first losers of coastal. Duke might take your place. Now go back to tending your sheep or blanking your sheep and shut up LOSERS
GTMike
October 26th, 2009
9:39 pm
In the first case, the VT player might have avoided the block had he not been preoccupied with grabbing the GT guard’s jersey as he ran by. That’s called defensive holding.
In the second case, the block is clearly not below the waist and is legal.
I think VT players just don’t like being blocked.
Alabama Jack
October 26th, 2009
9:43 pm
BEAT VANDY and best to Cooper Taylor. He is a warrior.
Voice of Reason
October 26th, 2009
9:44 pm
There are always missed calls on blocks. I saw at least 5 “illegal” holds on the VT OL, and a late hit OOB, but you don’t see our coach crying in the media about it. Boooo, hooooo, hoooo. The VT fans, coach’s and players are really starting to look like clowns. I guess with chucky the chest gone, someone had to take his place.
Blue Pants
October 26th, 2009
9:46 pm
You know you’re in Hell when the only football on is UGA vs. VA Tech. What a sickening image.
cremins
October 26th, 2009
9:48 pm
Block 1: watch the center and guard to his right. Definately a high-low. The block at the top of the screen is legal (and the one everyone, Doug included seems to be looking at because the defender flops like a limp fish).
StraightJacket
October 26th, 2009
9:49 pm
Actually, I think they’re BOTH illegal.
In flag football.
VPI&SU whining in THESE cases reminds me of the classic dual matchup: They bought a knife to a gunfight.
-SJ
Tallahassee Jacket
October 26th, 2009
9:52 pm
Seriously Frank? Below the waist? You’re joking, right?
Freezekalo7
October 26th, 2009
9:54 pm
So VT is complaining and Kam Chancellor is upset because ESPN called him out on our halftime ajustment. Sounds like his issue is with ESPN and not GT and CPJ. This is stupid. He is just mad cause he looked like an idiot on the field & ESPN. Thus causing him to sound foolish now… Grow up Kam…
Freeze
Buzz29
October 26th, 2009
9:54 pm
Best wishes to Coop. Sour grapes from Beamer. BTW, what the hell is wrong with Beamer’s face?
George P
October 26th, 2009
9:58 pm
In the first clip, if you look just above the center, then, yes, he blocked him in the back of the legs, and that should have been called.
In the second clip it’s all good, although on Nesbitt’s first touchdown it looks as if Chancellor grabs Anthony Allen’s facemask. You can see that one clearer in the ESPN video that identifies Chancellor.
On the last touchdown Chancellor isn’t even knocked down. The blocker just stands in his way.
VT = Bunch Of Whiners
October 26th, 2009
10:15 pm
I have long been a fan of Frank Beamer and had the utmost respect for him. However, this complaint about illegal blocks by Georgia Tech not being called is nothing but childish. Have you ever seen a player and coaches wait over a week then complain to their local newspaper about calls that were not made? On the block on Kam “Kan’t Tackle” Chancellor during Nesbitt’s last touchdown run – that was nothing but a good block (it certainly was not below the waist). Did Paul Johnson or other coaches or players complain to the local newspaper about the holding calls that were not called against Virginia Tech offensive linemen (against Derrick Morgan several times)? No, they did not. VT coaches and players are acting like a bunch of whiners. Come on, VT, man up!
Cuttysark
October 26th, 2009
10:19 pm
Doug, thanks for the films. They are not violations. Too bad Kam and the Hokies cann’t just move on and accept the loss. Says a lot about their program. Poor sports!
Go to http://isportsweb.com for articles on Kam Chancellor and his inability to back up his bravado. Sorry to hear about Cooper Taylor. But Logan Walls had a similar cardiac procedure and after sitting out a year, is doing just fine as a defensive tackle. Go Tech
JJacket
October 26th, 2009
10:19 pm
The drive we had the supposed “chop block” on didn’t even lead to a score.
So they are pointing out a drive that led to “0″ points as a reason they lost the game?
Pathetic.
TDone
October 26th, 2009
10:20 pm
I guess if I were “0″ for Atlanta in 2009, I would be complaining too.
Hokie, Hokie, Hokie Chik-fil-a, anyone?
Go Jackets!!!
macrotech
October 26th, 2009
10:21 pm
Did vt use tape to mark a spot on the field for field goals?!
Cuttysark
October 26th, 2009
10:21 pm
To Buzz29, Coach Beamer was burned as a kid.
Georgia Tech 2011 NC!!!!
October 26th, 2009
10:23 pm
Boo hoo hoo hoo!!!!!!!!! Shut your crying a$$ turkey eating mouths up!!!!!!!!!!!! 28-23!!!!!!!
Gt4ever
October 26th, 2009
10:27 pm
Good Grief, What a bunch of SISSIES! GET OVER IT! Why would you even print this drivel! IT’s a JOKE!
Techfan78
October 26th, 2009
10:29 pm
Bottom line is there is gonna be missed calls in every game. I am sure that we have gotten away with some chop blocks over the course of the season but those that the whiny VT fans are posting are legal. Every week I can count at least three times that Derrick Morgan gets held when he is on the verge of a sack and it doesnt get called. I have always heard the rumors about VT fans making excuses but now it really comes out. We made halftime adjustments and took them to the woodshed, now they wanna cry and say we cheated. What a bunch of pu**y*. Get over it, it shouldnt have been as close as it was. What is really messed up is that everyone was talking about VT being a contender to play for the National Championship, then we beat them and still cant get any love from the BCS or anyone else for that matter. Its ok though, if the jackets just play one game at a time everyone will see how good they are. Just keep executing and playing smart and everything will take care of itself. Go Jackets
Brewer
October 26th, 2009
10:32 pm
Notice the GT blocker that ‘engages’ high is actually being held by the D-lineman as the D-lineman is being blocked low. The ‘high blocking’ O-lineman has his jersey being stretched out as he is trying to run past the VT player. If that’s a penalty, football is going to hell because all you’d have to do to get a free 15yd flag is grab the guy running by you when you get blocked low. I’m shocked VT is still crying 2 weeks later after the garbage they got away with last year.
KSEE
October 26th, 2009
10:32 pm
Is Cooper Taylor getting a redshirt a sure fire thing or could he possibly not receive it?
…i dunno how it works.
i sure hope he gets it tho…we miss his speed and talent out there
i hope the young man fully recovers!!
Buzz29
October 26th, 2009
10:39 pm
Thanks, Cutty. I enjoy your links, also.
GA Tech Insider
October 26th, 2009
10:41 pm
I’m not sure why this is an issue. Paul Johnson has already addressed this. If any of these complaints would have been legitimate, then the ACC would have notified him within the week after the game, as usual, and as it never occurred, contrary to Frank Beamer and the rest of the Hokie Nation’s claims, then the matter is moot.
It’s quite obvious that this is nothing more that Beamer attempting to set the Ref’s up for next season’s game up in Blacksburgh. He thinks that if he can pitch a big enough hissy fit now, it will influence the Ref’s next season.
This is an embarrassment to the ACC to have to deal with this type of crying to mommy.
TO
October 26th, 2009
10:44 pm
GTMike – Please know what you are talking about before you write anything. Defensive holding is impeding an eligible receiver on a pass route prior to the ball being thrown, not a defensive lineman grabbing an offensive lineman’s jersey. Other than hands to the face or grabbing the head, a defensive player can do just about anything to shed a blocker.
It’s not a wonder that other football fans call us nerds.
Gary
October 26th, 2009
10:58 pm
Total B.S. on the part of Virginia Tech….but it goes back to the fact that is a program that has never won anything….not a SINGLE national championship in over 100 years of football.
impartial
October 26th, 2009
11:03 pm
GT pretty much false starts on every offensive play. Line moves before the ball. They started calling it at UVA. Interested to see if they keep calling it.
Stinger
October 26th, 2009
11:11 pm
Poor babies, cry me a river. You bunch of cry babies. Last year the only reason you beat us was because the refs called a helmet to helmet against us when Taylor was running down the side lines. What a joke that was. Get over. There is a new sheriff in town. His name is Paul Johnson.
AtlantaNative62
October 26th, 2009
11:11 pm
BOGUS Gripes! On the chop block, the only contact made by the “high” man was 54 grabbing his jersey. Nothing illegal about that block. On the second one, I don’t even see anyone hitting below the waste. I see a GT player fall after making clean chest high contact but that was because he was thrown down by the VT player. So do we call blocks illegal if one player pushes a blocker down to his feet? No way. Have played wide receiver and had to block many a defender bigger than me, sometimes you just miss high and end up falling low. Of all schools that play agressive, right up to “the line” of the rules, I can’t believe VT accused GT of cheating on such easy to dispute plays. Sounds like nothing but sour grapes on their Turkey a$$es! Maybe they prefer cranberry sauce?
AtlantaNative62
October 26th, 2009
11:14 pm
Impartial, you need to look more clearly about the line moving before the ball. It does look that way (and it is on a couple that were called). But the other ones that look like we have players start early are players actually starting late from the snap. It throughs the whole “view” off and I had to watch several plays over and over again to actually see what was happening versus “what I was seeing”. Don’t know if they delay that guard on purpose, but he was the one I saw it occur on several times. The tackle is off with the snap but the guard is just a touch behind. Check it out.
Gary
October 26th, 2009
11:21 pm
Impartial-
LOL. An idiot UGA fan that knows nothing about football…LOL. You’re funny. I’ll try to explain you delusional a___hole…in option football it would appear the line moves before the ball because when the ball is snapped Josh Nesbitt’s first read is the DE, he can decide than to hit the dive or not….so the ball has been snapped..and the O-Line starts going….even though the QB waits another second….contrary to your popular beliefe the O-Line is just magically taking off 2 seconds before the snap. Idiot.
ArkyTech
October 26th, 2009
11:21 pm
Are we also going to post the 6 missed holding calls on VPI? This is so silly. So proud to be a Jacket, and embarrassed for the Hokies.
impartial
October 26th, 2009
11:26 pm
Atlnative62, I’ll have to give it a closer look. I’m sure every coach in the league would be jumping on it watching the film. It just looks different. Maybe because the line is running to block in front instead of dropping back to pass protect.
The Truth
October 26th, 2009
11:29 pm
Dissappointed but not surprised to hear Frank Beamer’s comments (after all, beamer also caved on Marcus Vick’s “suspension”).
C’mon, coach, teach Kam to be a man and take responsibility for taking it on the chin in the GT game…he simply got schooled.
Georgia Tech 2011 NC!!!!
October 26th, 2009
11:33 pm
Get Well Cooper! I have a feeling Tech will be playing more than 13 games this year….
AtlantaNative62
October 26th, 2009
11:37 pm
Doug, how about a more in-depth article about Coop that is not a jumble of other topics? He is a great kid and we Tech fans love him. I think the defense has clearly missed this young man and I think Morgan Burnette has missed him more than anyone. It has shown in his play. (Not a dig at Morgan, just saying that knowing a player has your back makes you a faster, agressive player. Coop, get well soon. If you do end up not playing this year, take the opportunity to get stronger for on the field AND in the classroom.
GTcoaches
October 26th, 2009
11:43 pm
Frank Beemer show some class and leadership. Your boy was flat out embarrassed. Teach him how to accept a beating gracefully, not whine alongside him.
Fhen
October 26th, 2009
11:44 pm
The Truth-
Frank Beamer is hardly going to teach anyone of his players to “be a man”…he didn’t with either Vick, or with El Stupido DB….
Andrew Sherwin (The Dude)
October 26th, 2009
11:52 pm
Wow… look how fast “impartial” back peddles…
Gary
October 26th, 2009
11:55 pm
That’s because “Impartial” is a moron. More than likely a dawgs fan…that wouldn’t no the difference in a veer formation and a freaking wing-t
mansup01
October 27th, 2009
12:11 am
The main issue is the incorrect use of the terms “chop block” and “crack back block”. It permeates not only comments by fans but also the announcer’s booth. Chop blocks occur regularly in the course of line play. Most of them are unintentional, but not always. Many fans and announcers alike incorrectly refer to low blocks as “chops”. Crack back blocks only apply to blocks made in the free blocking zone, toward the ball. That clearly did not apply to Chancellor, even if he had been blocked.
Metal Jacket
October 27th, 2009
12:48 am
SOUR GRAPES
Andrew Sherwin (The Dude)
October 27th, 2009
1:10 am
Sour grapes… make the best whine.
macrotech
October 27th, 2009
2:19 am
SCORE BOARD, SCORE BOARD, SCORE BOARD…….
Ron
October 27th, 2009
2:41 am
read it weep bumble bees. GT is going down to Wake. When that happens VT will be back in it. Your team got away with once; next time officials will look for dirty plays. read it and weep, I say and put your money on Wake:)
DardyJacket
October 27th, 2009
5:41 am
Ron’s a fairy. Same thing you said about FSU, VT and UVA you dope.
superDawg
October 27th, 2009
6:00 am
If any of you nerds have read my post in the past I have mentioned gt’s blocking tactics,specifically chop blocking it is part of your mo and should be addressed by the NCAA.I think it is part of your coaching schemes and needs to be stopped.
superDawg
October 27th, 2009
6:01 am
You may not like my post but it is true.
T-Bone
October 27th, 2009
7:10 am
SuperDawg, what makes you a supposed expert? I think if the NCAA thought that CPJ was flagrantly violating the rules they would address it. But they haven’t.
Besides, you’re a Dawg, for cryin’ out loud. Win a few games and then we’ll talk. A dawg talking to a Jacket about penalties? Hello pot, meet the kettle.
FARTONA mutt
October 27th, 2009
7:13 am
super mutt boy ………..I love it. You just keep your crying going all day long. Can’t beat them so keep on crying wah wah wah. Start lining up all your excuses so you will have them ready when you go down.
AMG
October 27th, 2009
7:41 am
“When thugs go wrong” new show in blacksburg, Va.
AMG
October 27th, 2009
7:44 am
It is priceless to see VT complain. I wish I could see the video of Chancellor complaining. I would have to add “All by myself” as the music in the back ground.
AMG
October 27th, 2009
7:47 am
superDawg? 6-6 is super?
WTH
October 27th, 2009
7:49 am
superDawg,
You are afraid the Dogs can’t stop PJ’s high school offense, so you want the NCAA’s help. That’s funny.
VT Whiners
October 27th, 2009
7:53 am
Get over it VT whiners. GT did nothing illegal…you got your butts kicked. By the way, VT’s has one of the most “Cheap Shot” defenses in college football….reminds me of Mickey Andrews and FSU.
Hey Superdawg, I can already see you building your excuses for the butt-whipping Tech is going to administer to the Dawgs in a few weeks.
snapshot
October 27th, 2009
7:54 am
They shot their mouth off before we played them and their shooting their mouth off again after they got beat.
reebok
October 27th, 2009
8:02 am
Too bad about Taylor, I hope he gets the medical redshirt. We need Burnett back, we are too thin in the secondary without him.
Maybe Virginia Tech is just upset because they were prepared to defend the Wishbone, just like Papa Bowden was…
RT in NC
October 27th, 2009
8:10 am
In any game, there are several missed calls and bad calls that go both ways. I LOVE IT when a team loses and all of a sudden the refs are “Only/not calling _____ on _____.” I know we are supposed to talk nice about other coaches and say we respect them etc., but Beamer reminds me of Duke’s coach K. Watch Beamer’s face during a game. He bitches about every call the refs make that does not go his way. And he willingly admits thugs and illiterates to bolster his program. His recent comments just lower my respect for him even more. I wish they could have found something blatent that wasn’t called, just so it would piss them off even more. The chop block shown was probably a chop block by definition, but isn’t the point of the rule that people can’t get hit high and low from different angles so they get knocked down. And shouldn’t someone at least get hit and not merely touched to make the call?
Wah, wah, wah.
RT in NC
October 27th, 2009
8:15 am
Did CPJ ever get fined for complaining on TV at halftime about the blown timing incident? I can’t remember which game now, but GT went out of bounds and got a first down and the clock never stopped just before halftime. The network interviewed him on the way to the locker room and he was pissed. I loved that he called them out in the heat of the moment, but figured he probably deserved to get fined.
Starring Peter Graves as Captain Clarence Over
October 27th, 2009
8:24 am
RT: That was the UNC game.
Saint Simons
October 27th, 2009
8:29 am
This article has UGA all over it, Doug your fired , go back to UGA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stinger
October 27th, 2009
8:36 am
Cry babies, enter your comments here !!!
Curious
October 27th, 2009
8:39 am
Exactly how many D linemen have been injured by GT’s flagrant, illegal, dangerous chop-blocks this year?
GTMike
October 27th, 2009
8:43 am
TO – Check the rules. Here’s what the rule says:
Use of Hands or Arms by Defense
ARTICLE 4. a. Defensive players may use hands and arms to push, pull,
ward off or lift offensive players when attempting to reach the runner.
b. Defensive players may not use hands and arms to tackle, hold or
otherwise illegally obstruct an opponent other than a ball carrier.
Ezekiel
October 27th, 2009
9:02 am
The Chokies are a bunch of whiners. Like Coach Johnson said they didn’t say anything when they beat Tech last year. What we are hearing now is a whole bunch of sour grapes. They got trucker and will be going to a 2nd tier bowl. Enjoy, Chokies. Talk Tech football at: http://www.bbuzzoff.com
juvenal
October 27th, 2009
9:03 am
refs are like weather, injuries, bad bounces-part of it-didn’t whine about the bogus fowl on tyrod last year; about the hold on the thuggies last td this year, so it’s funny to hear them complain about how mean we were to them-maybe they should call dfacs about child abuse!kam’s still hurtin’ ’bout all the pub he got on espn, maybe he cryin’ cuz he lost his lunch pail(did it have spongebob on it?)PJ has been running this blocking scheme for decades, curious, but now it’s the self-presumed bigboys having to stop it-don’t worry, thuggies, the refs will have plenty of practice seeing this O–& our players will continue to get better executing it, so maybe you won’t gripe about the refs next year-maybe you can come up with a conspiracy theory? in the meantime, is #5 still hangin’ on the wall of your coop?
Golden Hand
October 27th, 2009
9:04 am
The first one is an illegal chop block, though likely unintentional. Looks like a blown assignment by the right guard Howard (who comes off the illegal block combo with the center’s low block and goes to get the guy he was supposed to block in the first place), and a missed call by the refs.
The crackback block is so legal it should be used in training videos. Melton hits Chancellor in the mouth, not below the waist.
@Curious: None.
T.O.S.S.
October 27th, 2009
9:05 am
I for one hope that GT gets a shot at the NC this year… it will be great to have the second best program in Georgia step up for a change and show the country what the 3rd or 4th best conference can do.
Tech82
October 27th, 2009
9:07 am
GTMike – You beat me to the punch. I was going to post the same thing to TO. Defensive holding is NOT limited to eligible receivers.
superDawg – You’re right. Cut blocking is part of the scheme the Tech coaches teach. That’s because in the the NCAA cut blocks are LEGAL. Chop blocks are illegal and involve two players engaging the same defender (one high and one low). We don’t coach chop blocking because to do so would result in a plethora of 15 yard, drive killing, penalties.
Go back to the UGA blog and enjoy your .500 season.
GO JACKETS! THWG!
GT FAN PA
October 27th, 2009
9:22 am
You often wonder when a coach of Beamer’s status makes comments like this what happens in the next games? Goes back some coaches can ride REF’s like a cheap suite and the next thing you know there comes the flags-Kiffen made a valied point about UT being one of the least penalized teams but yet had 10 to bama’s one- goes back to who you are. Just a thought? It will show in the upcoming games if Tech starts getting these calls against them! Go Jackets-Beat VANDY!!!
VegasGT
October 27th, 2009
9:31 am
Thanks GTMike, I was going to suggest that TO check the rules before he spouts off. I checked with a friend of mine who is actually a college ref. He just about quoted the rules verbatim to what you posted.
SuperHumper – You might want to get some perspective as well. There was a big issue about blocking TECHniques last year and most of the ACC Refs and Coaches had to refresh themselves on what is really right and wrong. The ACC actually asked PJ to give the refs a clinic/tlk about blocking techniques, cut vs chop in particular. The league is quite a bit further ahead of you than you may like to think. It appears that VT and Beamer may be as well.
Chancellor would be better served by learning from his mistakes than whining about them. He has many opportunities to learn from this, not only with blocking techniques, but also with making stupid, opponent-motivating pre-season comments.
Oh well, GT needs to put everything in the past behind them and concentrate on Vandy. Tech is 0-0 this week. Actually, I would like for them to play like they are 0-1.
NYJacket
October 27th, 2009
9:35 am
Too much energy spent on VT’s complaint. Start focusing on the rest of the season.
See you in Tampa and Miami.
Fightin Gobbler
October 27th, 2009
10:08 am
Didn’t read all the posts in the thread so I assume this has already been mentioned but just in case it hasn’t… Beamer described the wrong play re: the block on Chancellor. It wasn’t the last TD run but the play that set up the next to last TD run. In it, your blocker comes from well outside the tackle box and dives directly for Kam’s knees, from the side. It is an absolutely clear as day illegal block. If you can watch that video and be proud of your team for playing that way, you aren’t the type of fans I always thought you were.
GT used to be my second favorite team but so long as Paul Johnson embraces cheap shots that could seriously injure players as part his offense I’ll be rooting against GT whenever you guys are playing.
Can’t wait to see you guys in Blacksburg next year. I can promise you that game is already circled on the calendar…
RAMBLE ON!!!
October 27th, 2009
10:16 am
Superdawg, you are in a room of your superiors, now run along little brother.
RAMBLE ON!!!
October 27th, 2009
10:19 am
Fightin Gobbler, keep crying loser.
The only reason you won last year was due to a bogus helmet to helment call.
You were lucky to keep it close this year, the beat down was worse than the score.
Run along cry baby. You too are in a room of your superiors.
misterwax
October 27th, 2009
10:20 am
yes, it is nothing more than sour grapes…..and it speaks of a very cozy deal between ESPN’s beat writer, Heather Dinich and VT/Beamer…don’t really know why but she has been loving VT all season and has just now begun to GT some proper respect….it’s uncanny when you read it…..She has more praise for Duke than for GT…..it also helps to continue the promote the notion that the ACC is a weaker conference than most….and they use last yera’s bowl records as agood example….so this is relevant but things are changing this year for GT’s adavantage and they don’t want to write about it…
GT is a very conservative and pragmatic school as are most of it’s graduates and supporters….they are not East Coast / DC liberals like most folks in the media…..are you listening, J*ff Sch*ltz? They ignore the facts and propmote their own agenda all the time…and that’s what we must expect.
Tech82
October 27th, 2009
10:22 am
Fightin Gobbler – Are you suggesting that there is a conspiracy among the ACC officials to allow Tech (the REAL Tech) to block illegally? Your psot says “It is an absolutely clear as day illegal block” so the only logical inference is that the officials are deliberately allowing this to happen.
First, let me say that I agree that the officials are intentially allowing these blocks. Of course, that’s because they’re LEGAL.
Secondly, take your whining about the officials to the SEC where it belongs. The real men in the ACC know better than to whine when we lose. Oh, and one other thing – I would suggest you mark next year’s game on the calendar with an “L”.
techfan
October 27th, 2009
10:23 am
Coop, get bigger, stronger, faster, and go out there and have some fun!!!! We wish you all the best!! Now it’s time to get in the woods and on the water!
Trade School Junkie
October 27th, 2009
10:26 am
VT has traded in the “Lunch Pail” for a “Man-Purse.”
Lost my repsect for Beamer.
Supersize that order, mutt
October 27th, 2009
10:31 am
Has the ACC head of officiating weighed in on this one yet? He’s the one who declared after the Clemson game that the “deceptive substitution” used on the fake field goal was illegal. Hell, I thought one of the points of the game of football WAS to DECEIVE in some manner the other team. Nesbitt certainly does a lot of deceiving out there running the TO, and it works pretty damn consistently I saw a couple of weeks ago that some team in the west had used it in a game, and they were also criticized later by that conference’s head of officials, LSU tried to used it against UGAG but UGAG saw it coming, and Clemson used it against Miami last week, although Spiller dropped the stupid pass. I haven’t heard any official complaints about either of those plays, although perhaps it’s because in those two cases, they failed. However, I think it’s obvious that there are a lot of officials in the game of football today who don’t know s**t. And it looks like Beamer doesn’t either.
Bill Alexander
October 27th, 2009
10:31 am
Fightin Gobbler, calm down, no GT fan wants to see their team win by illegal blocking. VT did the right thing by sending the league game tape and yes, if the league says there were 4 illegal blocks not called, I believe them. I am sure the refs will be looking extra hard for this infraction and things will correct themselves though flags and proper coaching.
What really was unfair was the way ESPN singled out Kam Chancellor for being out of position on a few plays. We all know the best player on the field in any game will make a few mistakes by being out of position. I just thought they pulled his comment from the summer about knowing where the ball was going on GT’s offense and rubbed his nose in it by showing some less than expected play on Kam’s part (i.e. eyes to the left, ball going right). Good luck the rest of the way.
BTW, I am certain Paul Jonhson has the VT game next year already circled as well.
TRUTH
October 27th, 2009
10:32 am
Watch the flags fly tech mites.
Supersize that order, mutt
October 27th, 2009
10:37 am
If you want to gain a little more insight as to why Beamer and Kam Chancellor. are bitching and whining, check out the following link from scout.com on “The Stages of Triple Option.” Decide for yourself which stage Beamer and Chancellor are in….also which stage the mutts are in, etc, etc
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=140&f=2938&t=5009840
mtraininjax
October 27th, 2009
10:43 am
There is no crying in football either. Beamer, I just lost respect for you as a coach. Be a man, you lost, move on. Or better yet, in the Summer ACC Football meetings, bring this back up and cry further about how Tech whupped your butts on national tv. Sore loser is all I have to say.
BigTimeTECHFan
October 27th, 2009
10:50 am
Fightin Gobbler – Should be fun, I hope Chancellor is still starting, He’s got the Ga Tech offence figued out, can read plays before they start and Tech still runs 60 years right by him.
old gold engineer
October 27th, 2009
10:53 am
Bill Alexander, thank you for bringing some rational thought into this discussion. Well said.
Fightin Gobbler
October 27th, 2009
11:05 am
Okay GT fans, here’s what Beamer & Co. are talking about. Again, Beamer described the wrong play, it wasn’t the last TD by Nesbitt (which was a great play and very well executed) it was the play that set up the next to last TD. I found a GT highlight video (pretty well done actually) that I’m sure you guys will enjoy. The play in question happens at 2:56 and your blocker (#24) dives into Chancellor’s knees from the side (and coming from outside in). This is an illegal block, plain and simple. The reason its illegal is that a guy could really get hurt (just like a horse collar tackle or a facemask) and the fact that GT apparently coaches this (#24 could just have easily engaged Chancellor up high but instead dove at his knees) is pretty daggone cheap IMO.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLzYtczNfKY
Enjoy your biggest win in a couple of decades, try not to choke against Wake or Duke.
Phil
October 27th, 2009
11:05 am
You can make an argument either way on the first one.
a) The guard runs up the field and makes no motion at all towards the DE, it is the DE who touches the guard while trying to run past him, and the tackle hits, maybe even clips, the DE below the waist, but is inside the blocking zone – Legal block.
b) The guard touches the DE with his shoulder, which under 3.1.a constitutes a block and then his immediately hit below the waist by the tackle. Illegal Chop Block.
On the touchdown, Tyler Melton hits Kam Chancellor above the waist, nearly head on; I don’t know what he could possibly think is illegal about that.
Cuzzin Vinnie
October 27th, 2009
11:09 am
superDawg – you ought to be reported to yo mamma for raising a dumbazz whining crybaby.
TechMD
October 27th, 2009
11:16 am
Wow, I used to respect VT and Beamer but this is just sour grapes and shouldn’t even be a story. Man up VT!
juvenal
October 27th, 2009
11:16 am
again, by next year Tech will have more experience(PJ has said we still don’t block this right, but getting better) thr refs will have seen more of our O…to accuse Tech of purposely cheating running a 20 year old offense is ludicrous, how come nobody else has?(other than crackpot daug fans, that is…)
Fightin Gobbler
October 27th, 2009
11:24 am
Phil – Beamer screwed up and identified the wrong play. See the highlight video I posted and tell me what’s legal about the block at 2:56.
Tech82
October 27th, 2009
11:36 am
Fightin Gobbler @ 11:05 writes “and the fact that GT apparently coaches this (#24 could just have easily engaged Chancellor up high but instead dove at his knees) is pretty daggone cheap IMO”
I agree that the block you pointed out appears to be illegal. The refs missed it. Get over it. The problem I have is with your assertion that Tech coaches are instructing players to engage in illegal techniques. Just because a player does something on the field doesn’t mean it was coached. Using your logic, I guess we can assume that Frank Beamer “coached” Marcus Vick to stomp on a player when he was lying on the turf looking the other way.
The Truth
October 27th, 2009
11:39 am
Can’t wait to see who carries VT’s man purse on this field this week…Go get ‘em, Frank!
RAMBLE ON!!!
October 27th, 2009
11:40 am
You mean some of you respected Beamer?
Ever heard of Marcus Vick, Mike Vick, Deanglo Hall.
Nerd
October 27th, 2009
11:42 am
FG,
For the play to be an illegal block, the player must be diving towards the ORIGNAL PLACEMENT of the ball. Not sideways. That block is close – it could go either way. It probably should have been called – but it wasn’t. Maybe next year.
This reminds me of Beamer accusing UGA of stealing signals a couple of years ago when they lost the chicken bowl. He seems to blame anyone but himself…
Trade School Junkie
October 27th, 2009
11:49 am
Figthin Goobler: Grow a pair.
GT has these ACC game left:
1. Wake
2. Duke
VT has these ACC games left:
1. UNC
2. Maryland
3. NCSt
4. UVA
Not worried at all of GT beating Wake and Duke.
You can take this to the bank:
VT better win all of their remianing ACC games, or VT is gonna look R-E-A-L-L-Y STUPID, worse than they already llIf VT loses one more ACC game, we want hear ANYTHING MORE from VT or about this bogus blocking non-sense.
Gt4Ever
October 27th, 2009
11:52 am
superDawg
October 27th, 2009
6:00 am
If any of you nerds have read my post in the past I have mentioned gt’s blocking tactics,specifically chop blocking it is part of your mo and should be addressed by the NCAA.I think it is part of your coaching schemes and needs to be stopped.
If so, then why are there more chop block calls being called on other teams not named Tech? Beamer sent in tape and not one of those officials said they were illegal. Watching games this weekend at least three chop calls were made. None on Tech. CPJ sent in 12 holding calls and the officals agree on half. Maybe the refs should be watching the holding calls since that’s the real issue. The OL holds on just about every play. You guys should be more concerned with your celebration after scoring, that is if you can score on UF’s #1 defense.
juvenal
October 27th, 2009
11:58 am
FG, daugs were at least good before the 60’s, when most everyone stopped using real students to make $-how much math those communication majors of your take?
Burdell
October 27th, 2009
12:00 pm
Hey Knob Gobbler–
Go cry on a VT blog…find someone that cares. We didn’t make the blocks!
hellobeez
October 27th, 2009
12:06 pm
Fightin Gobbler – go look up the rules. That block is 100% legal on Kam in the second to last drive. A crack back block (which is very different than a chop block) is only illegal if the blocker goes low while blocking – and I know this is tough for you to follow, but here is the key – and goes low back toward the direction of the original spot of the ball. In your video, the blocker was blocking towards the end-zone. Yes it was low, but legal, safe, and totally a part of football. If you want to play this game, I can 100% guarantee you I can find piles of these same blocks by your Turkeys. And realize that any well coached team teaches down field blocking. Every team does it. The reason Tech gets whiners like you and uneducated UGA fans who also don’t know the rules (like curious and SuperDawg) is because Tech basically runs 100% of the time and down field blocking creates big plays. Most teams are not well coached enough to effectively block down field on runs – it sort of happens as a byproduct. GT coaches this as a fundamental part of the game. There is nothing illegal here – the illegal hits are ones that effectively blindside players. The whole intent of the ‘crack back’ rule is to make sure a defender (within 10 yards of the line by the way) doesn’t have guys diving back towards the ball and really making it dangerous. Again, blocking low is not illegal or dirty – blocking from behind and the side is (which can tear up knees). Find those, and I will agree with any Turkey or UGAy fan. Next I can educate you arm-chair quarterbacks on why people THINK Tech chop blocks at the line…. Which they don’t…
Al
October 27th, 2009
12:06 pm
nothing illegal to me. i see the same stuff all the time. a chop is when two at the same time intentiaonally go after one guy. that never happened here.
Fightin Gobbler
October 27th, 2009
12:07 pm
For a school that’s supposedly one of the best in the country, you guys obviously don’t teach logic.
Of course Paul Johnson coaches his kids to block low. Heck, he actually held a seminar with refs to show them what he was going to do. To suggest that this player is normally coached to go up high on that play and this one time he forgot and instead dove at players legs is laughable at best and intellectually dishonest at worst.
The whole “it’s part of the game” argument is also pretty pathetic. Yes, injuries are part of the game. Rules are there in part to try to discourage/prevent the sort of plays that have shown they can cause those injuries (again, facemask, horse collar, CHOP BLOCK, etc.). You can call holding on every play. You can probably call pass interference or defensive holding on most plays too. There is judgement involved. CPJ seems to feel chopping comes under that same heading (i.e. sometimes it is, sometimes it isn’t) but the potential for injury on a chop block is exponentially higher and as such refs should be that much more sensitive to it, not less.
And for the poster who claimed no defensive lineman have been hurt by GT this year, John Graves was in fact injured on play #1 and didn’t return to the field (huge loss to lose your starting D tackle vs. a triple option scheme) and no word yet if he can play this week. But that’s okay becuase its just part of the game, right?
Mel
October 27th, 2009
12:09 pm
Talk about whiners. The guy noticed his player was blocking and immediately let up and went after another guy. He didn’t even push him or the vt player would have been flattened. VT are a bunch of whiners
UGAIsSoLastYear
October 27th, 2009
12:20 pm
Chris Evert rarely, if ever, complained about a line call in tennis. Her take was always ‘they tend to even out’. This regarding the calls that go your way and the ones that don’t. Most true sportsmen (and women) know this and play their sports with class. To complain about calls is just silly. Whether they were legal or not, the calls tend to even out over the long run. To me, the sad issue is them bringing it up. No class.
Tech82
October 27th, 2009
12:22 pm
Gobbler – Ok, so the actions of the players on the field always reflect the intent of the coaches? That being the case, Frank Beamer is quite possibly the dirtiest coach in the history of college football. The key witnesses against him: Michael and Marcus Vick along with Meangelo Hall. Based on the number of thugs that have been produced by VT over the years, Beamer must be conducting gang initiations instead of football practices. Face it, your logic is hopelessly flawed (probably due to your inferior education).
BankerDawg
October 27th, 2009
12:23 pm
I didn’t realize that people only got injured in games played by GT while being coached by Paul Johnson.
This is truly unbelievable.
Hokies, give it up, really.
Injuries ARE part of the game. If there was a conclusive study that showed football injuries only occurred employing the illegal blocking techniques of one Paul Johnson, then you would have a point. But I am fairly certain no such study exists.
These are all JUDGEMENT calls. There is nothing that OBVIOUSLY shows any illegal block in any clip shown by a Hokie…period. I’m sure your interpretation is of an illegal block…because you lost. This, I think, would be the very definition of sour grapes.
Bottom line is, as alluded to earlier, the ACC has done nothing in an official capacity to verify any of the claims the Hokies are making. If so, such statement or action would have taken place last week, which it did not.
Many tapes are sent to many League Offices every week and they ALL show some missed calls, which anyone can admit happen all the time.
But it sounds like you VT people are speaking of a calculated, purposeful intent by CPJ to teach his players to cheat and that is what amazes me. Hard to believe he’s been coaching for so long and no one has figured out his “illegal” system yet.
Give it a rest. Play better defense, and tell your best player not to run his mouth in the preseason…all of this could have been avoided.
Sorry for the rant, but between Kiffin, Mullen, Petrino, Beamer, et al, I am fed up with cry babies. Way to teach your kids the important lessons in life….”Blame someone else”.
GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO DAWGS! SIC ‘EM!
hellobeez
October 27th, 2009
12:25 pm
Hmm gobbler seems to be the one with logic issues. Which point would you like to address a crack back block or a chop? Very different but you seem to be mixing the two. What CPJ was showing the refs last year was that in his offense he has an O lineman (OL#1) shooting a gap and not engaging a D lineman. The intent is to block a LB or the secondary. While not unique in football, it is employed much much more by GT. What some teams have tried to do to slow down GT (LSU did this with great success) is to hold OL#1 (which is defensive holding, lots of people don’t know this rule because it’s never called, but it is a penalty on the D). What can happen is that O lineman #2 is assigned to block D lineman. But when D lineman turns to hold OL#1, it creates a very dangerous and stupid situation for him (opening him up to get hit low). I guess Turkey is such a good football player that he could immediately pull up if he was OL#2 when he saw DL holding OL#1. But 99% of football players are not that good. Again, this is not a dirty play. It is a STUPID play by the defense and even more negligent by the coaches to tell their line to do this. They create a situation where their d lineman turns their back to the line by holding an OL trying to run by them. So who is at fault here? What is really happening is defensive coaches are putting their players at risk by employing a very dangerous strategy to try to hold back an offense they cannot stop otherwise. ALL TEAMS DO THIS with their O line, difference is that defenses can key on that since tech runs it virtually 100% of the time. If you know that O lineman is going to shoot by you each time, you can pretty much know that you should start holding him every time. Or at least designate one guy each play to do it, so that you have a LB better in position to shoot a gap. If you were playing a more traditional offense that might drop back and pass block more, you’d be a huge disadvantage if you were waiting for a shooting O lineman to hold…. Well, darn, now I find myself wasting my own time with people like this. My own fault for getting sucked into people who know almost nothing about the game.
chokiehokiehater
October 27th, 2009
12:36 pm
When a team starts preparing to play us in their spring drills even when they open up against Bama and they do not play us until Oct. 17th..then you know that THEY KNOW the hoax is over..No longer is VT going to dominate this conference. VT also knows they were lucky they got away with that win in Blacksburg in 2008. They are scared as hell of being the Losers and having to take a back seat to GT in the Coastal . No more HokieNation, as even the majority of the country and media will favor Ga Tech..
I have despised this VT scheming coaching staff and team for a long time and even more than Clemson and UGA. Cry now cause it’s not over as your entire hoax of a conglomerate will crumble right before your eyes. LOSERS
Voice of Reason
October 27th, 2009
12:39 pm
This offense doesn’t work without chop blocks. Everybody knows this. It’s a dirty offense that requires dirty plays to be made. I don’t fault the Tech players since they’re just doing what they’ve been taught. You could easily call a penalty on every down against Tech’s offense.
juvenal
October 27th, 2009
12:42 pm
fg-you sent back 900 tickets-you did not bring your band-it is a 7 hour drive-i will be making it next year-next you gripe about sliding tackles in soccer?
WTH
October 27th, 2009
12:44 pm
Well said BankerDawg.
Tech82
October 27th, 2009
12:46 pm
Voice of Reason – Please take the time to educate yourself before running your mouth. The option offence works just fine without chop blocks. Chop blocks are illegal and nobody on the coaching staff teaches them. What is integral to the option offense is the use of cut blocks. Cut blocking is LEGAL in college football. Get a clue.
air conditioned gypsy
October 27th, 2009
12:47 pm
Pussies…
Joe Schmoe
October 27th, 2009
12:47 pm
Voice of Reason
October 27th, 2009
12:39 pm
This offense doesn’t work without chop blocks. Everybody knows this. It’s a dirty offense that requires dirty plays to be made. I don’t fault the Tech players since they’re just doing what they’ve been taught. You could easily call a penalty on every down against Tech’s offense.
Once again Mr. Ignorant. Tech does not “chop block” as that is illegal, they do however cut block. I wouldnt expect a doggie to know the diffrence though.
Voice of Reason
October 27th, 2009
12:48 pm
Tech82 – Then why doesn’t CPJ teach “cut” blocks instead of the chop blocks they are obviously using?
juvenal
October 27th, 2009
12:50 pm
vor-nobody elses’ O works without holding..maybe we should allow our opponents to wear skirts-
Nerfle
October 27th, 2009
12:51 pm
Why can’t Tech block like men instead of throwing their bodies at the shins of defenders? Pu$$ies
Tech82
October 27th, 2009
12:54 pm
Voice of Reason – If Tech was is “obviously” using chop blocks on every play, why aren’t the refs calling them? Are you another of the conspiracy theorists who think the refs are fixing the games? Get a clue.
Alabama jack
October 27th, 2009
12:56 pm
Uh, BEAT VANDY IS ALL THAT IS IMPORTANT. Forget the rest of this stuff.
VT Whiners
October 27th, 2009
1:04 pm
Hey Gobbler Idiot. Your coach is a whining cheat. VT and FSU are 2 of the dirtiest teams in college football. Beamer has no room to complain.
GT For You And Me
October 27th, 2009
1:07 pm
Fightin Gobbler is only whining because they got beat………….. Find another argument Gobbler………..
Stinger
October 27th, 2009
1:09 pm
I don’t recall us crying so much about the bad helmet to helmet call that cost us the game against VT last year or the same call that cost us a game against Notre Dame a few years ago. We lost 2 games because we tackled a QB running down the sidelines as the QB lowered their heads. I don’t ever see that called against anyone but us. Miami should have had that called in their game against Clemson, but no flag was thrown.
GT For You And Me
October 27th, 2009
1:10 pm
Nerfle: Your obviously a Homer DAWG fan………….
GT FAN PA
October 27th, 2009
1:12 pm
Bankerdawg as always good to see you on our blogs-Good luck to you guys this weekend down in FL- Judgement calls at best- yes officials could call something every play on every team- I have to ask as well- why didn’t Beamer say something last year? Because they won- and if they would have won this year he would say nothing- if you are going to talk the talk you better be able to walk the walk- Beamer should be instructing his players to insert foot in mouth and shut the piehole up-I don’t think he lead the team in tackles for the game did he? CPJ has been doing this for 20+ years I think he is well aware of what is legal and not legal one would think anyway! Go JACKETS-also wanted to give a thank you to Yabba Dabba DOO for his Clemson team winning at the U!
StraightJacket
October 27th, 2009
1:20 pm
Fightn’ Goober: Re: Your post of 11:05 … Go back and look at the video. The block on Kam “I use the Force to know where Tech is running the ball” Chancellor there IS legal. LOOK at Embry’s Head AND shoulder position – across Kam’s right leg as Kam is moving from North to South. Kam even falls “South”. In order to violate the applicable rule here, we’d have to be running the play the other direction – EAST, not west, and Kam would have to be in pursuit to the EAST (or at least SouthEast). If that were the case, then Embry would have been approaching Kam from the WEST as Kam was heading toward (quoting from the rule book here) “the original position of the ball” and the ONLY way to block Kam would be from behind … a clip, and a 15 yard penalty.
All this talk has been centered around 3 plays… 3 PLAYS! One is the “joke” where Tyler hits Kam HIGH and RIGHT IN HIS FACE on the crackback on Nesibitt’s TD run – OBVIOUSLY, a legal block. The one we just discussed, where Embry’s head AND shoulder are clearly across Kam’s right leg to get cut him from the front, and 3rd is the case where Cord is on his way to the second level to get a LB and “brushes” a VPI&SU DL. IS THAT ALL YA GOT? WHERE’s all the OTHER plays?
This is getting silly, and Beamer will pay the PR price for it when people watch the tape and realize that, at best, he’s complaining about ONE “questionable” call in a game of over 100 plays. That is why I think Beamer will shut up now.
As for us, and “chop” (i.e. not “cut”) blocking, … our coaches watch the film too. Even if “chop” blocks AREN’T called, CPJ has mentioned before that any “chop” block is a result of somebody messing up on a blocking assignment … and that guy will be running extra stadium steps on Monday. Why? Because chop blocks are not part of the game, they give you a 15 yard penalty, and can quickly get your team in a hole.
-SJ
Greg
October 27th, 2009
1:29 pm
Since all the Tech fans want to get on Dawg boards, I feel I can come right on in here.
All bug fans would be screaming bloody murder if the Dawgs would use some of the tactics that the bugs use in the trenches. There will come a time when the Trade School will get its medicine and you’ll be in the blogs whining about how some team played dirty against you.
Not Disappointed
October 27th, 2009
1:34 pm
“Cry me a River…Why don’t you?”
Beamer should be trying to identify why he looked so Stupid after the game, “We just couldn’t stop them!” Let it go and/or Grow a pair.
We didn’t cry about the two bad calls in last years drive! Stop whinning like a Betch!!!!!!!!!!!!
Virginia Tech needs to be worried about winning the rest of their games. Like we are… “Press on, 1st Virginia!” StoneWall Jackson!!!!
db
October 27th, 2009
1:35 pm
I think VT is trying to bring atthention to and therefore set the stage for the ref’s to be looking hard at everything GT does now. They are probably hoping we will get a bunch of penalties which may cost us a game and VT is back in the running. If you win, be a winner, if you lose, don’t be a loser. Accept it like a man.
db
October 27th, 2009
1:35 pm
I think VT is trying to bring attention to and therefore set the stage for the ref’s to be looking hard at everything GT does now. They are probably hoping we will get a bunch of penalties which may cost us a game and VT is back in the running. If you win, be a winner, if you lose, don’t be a loser. Accept it like a man.
Not Disappointed
October 27th, 2009
1:36 pm
Is this the same Greg that’s MIA after Virginia lost last week?
Eh?
DogFan
October 27th, 2009
1:36 pm
Beamer is a crybaby. I remember UGA spanking the Hokies in a bowl about 3 years ago and a few months later he accused UGA of spying on the Hokie’s practices. Seems he just can’t blame himself for losses…
Not Disappointed
October 27th, 2009
1:41 pm
OMG DogFan! I remember him crying about UGA spying on him. “Spying in the midst!” To Funny!
Ramblin Wreck!
jkj300
October 27th, 2009
1:43 pm
For those VT fans that think they have an elite program, might I remind them that. . .
. . .they’ve NEVER won a national title . . .
. . .and only had a shot at one and got f*in WORKED by FSU. . .
. . . get housed in bowl games (8-14 all time). . .
. . . and have only 7 conference championships in ~120 years of football . . .
. . . and are perennially overranked!
So before you go shooting off you mouth, think about being in a room with a Florida, LSU, Michigan, Alabama, USC or Oklahoma alumnus and keep your mouth shut until you put up 1, just 1, national title.
juvenal
October 27th, 2009
1:43 pm
does that mean Navy plays dirty?
Delbert D.
October 27th, 2009
1:48 pm
Looked like great cut-blocking technique to me. That’s improvement over the early games this season.
SPS
October 27th, 2009
1:51 pm
I’m really worried about Cooper Taylor. If the surgical procedure was effective, he should have been back on the field a couple of weeks ago. I had a different type of heart arrhythmia, but it was treated with a similar ablation procedure, and I ran the Peachtree Road Race 17 days later. So it worries me that Cooper has not responded quickly. His type of arrhythmia can be caused by other underlying issues, and may not be easily or permanently corrected. Let’s keep this in perspective, and focus on his health, and forget about his playing status. Good luck Cooper. Get healthy.
"Big Six" Carpenter
October 27th, 2009
1:51 pm
Looks like “Beamer Bawl” has acquired a new meaning!
Squeezebox
October 27th, 2009
1:55 pm
TO @ 10:44 pm. You know not of what you speak. D-Linemen CAN be called for holding on offensive linemen. This often happens when the lineman is trying to block a linebacker, but the D-Lineman grabs him so his linebacker can get to the ball unimpeded.
Delbert D.
October 27th, 2009
1:55 pm
By the way, the officials did call two illegal chop blocks against Ga. Tech, which were obvious on the replays. Apparently, Beamer saw that since they were calling them, he wanted more.
GA Tech Insider
October 27th, 2009
2:01 pm
Fightin Gobbler; the link to play that you have provided to us was submitted to the ACC by Virginia Tech, and Frank Beamer, was deemed LEGAL by the ACC, therefore, Paul Johnson was NOT notified that it was an illegal block.
You, the rest of the Hokie fans, UGA fans, Frank Beamer, and the entire team can say whatever you want, the ACC and the officials have deemed the block legal. Stop your whining.
GA Tech Insider
October 27th, 2009
2:06 pm
It is very obvious to this observer that Frank Beamer has already decided that the only way that he can stop a Paul Johnson offense is with the assistance of the referees; his coaches can’t scheme for it and his players can’t execute to stop it.
Therefore, Frank Beamer is already in the process of petitioning the ACC referees to start calling chop blocks on GA Tech. That’s the only way that he thinks that Virginia Tech can stay competitive in the Coastal Division race.
GT65
October 27th, 2009
2:08 pm
I was really surprised to hear all of the whining and crying out of the Virginia Tech camp. Frank Beamer, his DB coach as well as Kam Chancellor come across like a bunch of whining, arrogant, elitist individuals.
VT has been used to winning divisions since it joined the ACC in 2004. In fact, with exception to 2006 and with all probability 2009, GT and VT have won the last six conference or Coastal Division titles. Well I’ve got news for you Hokies, GT ain’t going nowhere –GT will be battling for Coastal division titles year end and year out so get used to it.
Beamer comes out of this with egg all over his face. VT loses first the game, and then comes the interesting thing, on an off week after Miami loses and GT controls it’s own destiny, starts crying about the officiating.
The VT program is on it’s way down –without ever really accomplishing anything of meaningful significance– and this really should be an embarrassment to the program, depending on what the media decides to do –or not do– with it.
GT65
October 27th, 2009
2:12 pm
Greg
October 27th, 2009
1:29 pm
Since all the Tech fans want to get on Dawg boards, I feel I can come right on in here.
All bug fans would be screaming bloody murder if the Dawgs would use some of the tactics that the bugs use in the trenches. There will come a time when the Trade School will get its medicine and you’ll be in the blogs whining about how some team played dirty against you.
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I see with the rain in Atlanta Greg has the day off –can’t mow grass on the side of the highway when it’s wet huh Greg.
GTMike
October 27th, 2009
2:18 pm
Phil, your choice b does not seem correct. The fact that you can block with the shoulder does not make what happened here a block. Here is a ruling from the rules that seems to apply:
XXVI. After snapping the ball, snapper A54 brushes by nose guard B62
on his way to block a linebacker. A54 makes slight contact with
B62, or B62 reaches out and uses his arm to initiate contact with
A54. While B62 and A54 are in contact, right guard A68 blocks
B62 at the knee from the front. RULING: Legal. A54 is not
blocking B62. The incidental contact or B62’s initiating contact
does not constitute part of a combination block, and hence there
is no chop block.
Giant Turkey
October 27th, 2009
2:21 pm
Everybody in Blacksburg apologizes. When they told Coach Beamer to go to confession, he thought they said, “accusation,” and he went.
(G-V)Tech > 0
October 27th, 2009
2:26 pm
Funny to hear comments from Hokieville (queue the “Dueling Banjos”) attacking CPJ’s integrity and cleanliness of program. Funny to hear from a program with multiple players indicted on felonies and other misdemeanors. Even the team doc was charged with a felony a couple weeks ago (http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11319680). Laughable!!!
To Fightin Gobler
October 27th, 2009
2:27 pm
The reason that GA Tech Insider is saying that block on the next to last td drive was legal is because it is not a crack back by a player 8 yards outside the ball (ie a wide reciever). The block was by the a-back who was lined up right next to the tackle like a tight end and the block was near the line of scrimmage.
You are right though in that had it been the wide reciever then it would have been illegal because a crack back by a reciever spread out wide cannot be low.
Phil
October 27th, 2009
2:33 pm
GTMike – I wasn’t sure of the ruling, your reference appears to be a definitive ruling that the first play is in fact a legal block below the waist by the GA Tech tackle.
Tech(POSER)redneck
October 27th, 2009
2:41 pm
Hey fighting gobler, Gobel my goober. You guys sound just like that bunch from over in Athens. Any time you lose theres always an excuse. The one coach I’ll always admire is Bear Bryant. Whenever someone brought up some missed call or a play to queston after his team lost his comment would be, “the games over, the best team won”.period. And yea, circle that day on the calender for next season. That don’t guarantee you a win then either.
GT93
October 27th, 2009
2:48 pm
Fighting Gobbler: the video of the play that you provided was submitted to the ACC by Virginia Tech (and Frank Beamer) and was deemed LEGAL by the ACC. End of story. We ran the exact same plays, over and over again, against your classier arch-rival in Charlottesville. I have yet to hear them complaining about any of GT’s blocking tactics.
I think you’re forgetting that GT’s defense showed up in a BIG WAY against your Hokies and THAT is what made the difference in the game. Deal with it … worry about winning out the rest of your season … and let’s see where the chips land.
St. Simons
October 27th, 2009
2:49 pm
59-35-5 ahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!!!!!
VegasGT
October 27th, 2009
2:54 pm
Just take care of business against Vandy. Ignore the whining of the VT few and the baiting of the UGA few (not you banker) and concentrate on Vandy. Most of these people have shown that they truly don’t even understand the rules.
I really do think that Beamer is hoping that his whining will result in more penalties and that those penalties might help us to lose a game to Wake or Duke. He is truly a piece of work.
You didn’t see Bowden whining, class act. He might have some dirty defenses, but at lease he doesn’t whine.
Tech82
October 27th, 2009
2:58 pm
To all of you whining Hokies – Here is a quote from Frank Beamer and a link to the article:
“And generally speaking, let me say this: I’m all for chopping, cutting. I think that’s part of football.”
http://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-tech/beamer-clarifies-comments-175380.html
VT Whiners
October 27th, 2009
3:09 pm
Thanks Tech82. When you read the article, Beamer doesn’t really come forth with a real apology. What a loser.
Not Disappointed
October 27th, 2009
3:15 pm
best of luck to Cooper Taylor!
Beat Vandy!
Bawling
October 27th, 2009
3:19 pm
Apology? What apology? I didn’t see no apology.
Dabo
October 27th, 2009
3:24 pm
chop chop chop thats all I see.
ACC
October 27th, 2009
3:24 pm
all chop conference
VT Whiners
October 27th, 2009
3:28 pm
I think if you run the triple option, you should not be allowed to block.
chokiehokiehater
October 27th, 2009
3:30 pm
Beamer you need to just shut up and go away…It is so obvious that you must be really scared of the GT program and what is to come of it in the next few years. Otherwise you would have let this go by now. Do not recall CPJ being cited for any illegal blocks at Navy or Ga Southern and do not think CPJ all of a sudden has a new way of doing things. Refs and Officials are smarter than your cr@p. You know it is always the schools like VT that has one of the top recruiting classes every year that crys the most when a school like GT out coaches you and out schemes you to beat you. TOO BAD TOO SAD. CPJ is just smarter than you and Bud Foster put together.
chokiehokiehater
October 27th, 2009
3:32 pm
cries, sorry……so what do you want Beamer? To change football altogether so you can win? CPJ outfoxed a fox.
son_sir
October 27th, 2009
3:54 pm
Hokies: Need some cheese to go with that whine ? Beamer’s intention is to get the ACC refs hypersensitive and call low blocks on GT more. I’m sure more coaches will start to echo Beamer as this offense picks up more steam. Can’t whip it ? Get the zebras feeling sorry for you in the “interest of safety”.
Slow-Mo most any team’s passing plays and you will see handfulls of jerseys by OL’s all the time. Seldom do you hear any complaints. It’s so common, it’s assumed that a blind eye will be turned to it. Most OL’s are taught to step back and shield (and get by with a grab or two when you need to). GT linemen are taught to attack aggressively. It’s called “run blocking”. A vanishing art in college football. Can’t handle it ? Apparently, according to Beamer and others,….. whine about it.
As a LB at GA Southern during the Hambone Era, I battled against this type of blocking every day at practice. Not once was I injured by it. God gave you a pair of hands to fight off those cut blocks and a pair of eyes to see that crack back on the way. It’s not like you don’t know it’s coming. Football is a violent game. Can’t accept that: Join the intramural flag league.
VegasGT
October 27th, 2009
3:56 pm
Yea, that so called “apology” was pretty lame. It’s like he said, you played a really good game, but…
I am glad he made that comment, just makes him look more like a cry-baby. I looked at the video and it looks like many of the blocks you see on punts and kick-offs, helmet across the front, legal. Yes, it might be more dangerous than a higher block, but the game isn’t for pansies.
I guarantee you that the players try to play the game the same way they practice it. If GT tends to do more cut blocking in games, don’t you think they do more cut blocking in practice? If that’s so and Beamer’s concerns are so on-point, then why doesn’t GT have a higher percentage of injured players from cut blocking during practice. GT has remained relatively injury neutral compared to other teams, knock on wood.
The next thing you know, Beamer will want to take away the pads and give them little strips of cloth to tuck into their waste. Football is dangerous. It’s amazing there aren’t more RB and WR injuries since they get tackled from the side and from behind on most plays.
Oh well, take care of Vandy.
Fightin Gobbler
October 27th, 2009
4:25 pm
I’m not going to dignify most of your comments to me with a response, but needless to say I hope you don’t kiss you kids good night with mouths like that. I’ve had nicer things said to me at a West Virginia game in Morgantown… sheesh.
See you next year in Blacksburg and be sure to bring your A game because you’re going to need it.
GTWins
October 27th, 2009
4:37 pm
In response to Beamer’s latest remarks or appology….maybe the NCAA rules committee needs to make all blind side hits illegal. A QB can get hurt from a blind side hit/tackle! What about the WR going across the middle and going up high into the air to make a catch…let’s make it illegal to hit him until he comes down and sees the Defensive player and has time to square up before getting hit! Quit whining and play football or go coach cheerleading or something!
son_sir
October 27th, 2009
5:12 pm
Fighting Goober: With this year’s GT team loaded with underclassmen, you can bet the ‘A’ game will be ALL the Way Turned Up in Blacksburg next year.
same ole same ole
October 27th, 2009
5:47 pm
And another thing gobble head..what the he!! is a hokie? I would die if that was my school’s name. Why don’t you chop block (haha) that issue and petition to have your Hokie name changed? You could be the VT Sheepherders, though we really know what you do with them…
chokiehokie
October 27th, 2009
5:50 pm
Oh we will have our A game in Blacksburg next year along with the A backs and B Backs and C back for another @ss whooping cause all but 2 of our starters are returning, hahahahahahahaha
Statue for CPJ
October 27th, 2009
5:55 pm
-I respected Beamer, even with his thug recruits, a lot more before this latest crying incident.
-Beat Vandy!
-Get better Taylor!
final thought
October 27th, 2009
6:46 pm
tuck you tek chop blocking idiots!
RT in NC
October 27th, 2009
8:36 pm
Mark Richt Just called. He thinks he saw an illegal chop block in last year’s GT-UGA game during the game winning TD and would like his win back. Oh wait, it was a crack back block on a different play. Oh, it was a actually different kinds of illegal blocks on various plays during the game. Wait, he was misquoted, but someone should protect the boys.
Watch Beamer during a game. He bitches about EVERY CALL that doesn’t go his way. Nut up Frank, you lost, you’re the coach, you take the blame.
Smilnjac
October 27th, 2009
9:08 pm
Both looked like good blocks to me.
GO TECH
October 27th, 2009
9:22 pm
Onthe video of the chop block, why wasn’t the defensive lineman called for holding? Note the jersy of the Tech player being pulled.
GO TECH
October 27th, 2009
9:24 pm
Why didn’t Beamer complain about the first down that Tech when the offical turned the ball?
H8 Yech
October 27th, 2009
9:49 pm
Hey, call it what you want but those guys are clearly being coached to cut block and (when they can get away with it) chop block. That’s the entire blocking scheme that makes the TO move the chains. Not that hard to figure out as LSU put a butt stomping on the cheaters. Miami didn’t do too bad against the cheaters either.
Yellowjacket239
October 27th, 2009
9:53 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4e7HOaXNcc
No chop blocks in this
buzz'n
October 27th, 2009
11:12 pm
It’s pretty low rent of Beamer to resort to a media war without calling CPJ first. I’m guessing that his belated personal call to CPJ covered that gaffe but sadly he turns right around and gives the worst non-apologetic apology I’ve heard in a while.
The conference has protocols to handle these things – including reporting them to the league office, bringing it up in officiating clinics and off season meetings etc. I am guessing however that Beamer did this because he was feeling the heat about getting out-adjusted and out-coached in the second half. Pretty low rent if you ask me.
I didn’t have a lot of respect for SOME of the Hokies fans before this (others are GREAT people), but you can add the head ball coach to the no-respect list as far as I am concerned. This is pretty low rent. Be a man about it – quit acting like Lane Kiffin.
macrotech
October 27th, 2009
11:21 pm
H8 Yech, “cheaters”? Isn’t that the battle cry of ALL losers?!
freshman Tight end
October 28th, 2009
12:55 am
this is ILLEGAL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqiLlOybz9s
what georgia tech does isnt….. a lineman cant run upfield to block a linebacker? yeaa that makes sense
freshman Tight end
October 28th, 2009
12:59 am
ILLEGAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfkPSn_zTZ8&NR=1
freshman Tight end
October 28th, 2009
1:03 am
LSU GAME chop block called … look how GTs 77 is actually trying to get down field to take a linebacker on and the DT keeps contact by pulling his face mask to get the call
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-H2hD0cQY
GT90
October 28th, 2009
6:30 am
The real agenda here is that coaches know creating an issue like this creates future calls in their favor. Now there will be increased focus on that blocking technique and marginal instances of “chop blocking” that may not have been called in the past will be called in the future. Works the same in reverse. After the excessive celebration controversy of several weeks ago, I have not seen another call for that offense even though some celebrations clearly could have been called during last weeks games. I guess my point is that a lot of coaches will now bombard the NCAA with this blocking issue in order to get a rule change.
GT65
October 28th, 2009
8:18 am
Frank Beamer certainly comes across here as a prick, because he is one. It was bad enough to whine like a little girl, while coming across as arrogant ans self-righteous all at the same time. But the apology even moreso makes him a prick. He couldn’t just give an apology/clarification and leave it alone, no –he had to continue to whine.
VT is used to winning, with exception to 2006 and now 2009, they have won divisions and conference titles since joining the ACC in 2004. There is an air of arrogance in Beamer’s words, he can’t deal with the fact that the better team won, that GT will be a battle each and every year for him, and probably most of all, he was outschemed as a head football coach by Paul Johnson.
Dooley's Cardiologist
October 28th, 2009
8:29 am
Watch the replay of the game, and keep an eye on Kam Chancellor. You will see why he is looking for excuses. The guy played absolutely miserable. The truth is every head coach will get a call weekly from the conference saying that they had illegal blocks, holds, etc… that are not called. The only reason this was publicized was because CPJ’s offense is different from all the others and Beamer made a point to try and call him out on it. Unsuccessfully I might add. I am glad he manned up and apologized. On the other hand, It seems like we average at least 5 penalties a week for illegal blocks. Not an actual fact probably, but it sure feels like we do.
Gt4ever
October 28th, 2009
8:44 am
I vote for re-entry into the SEC! Let VT win the ACC every year. Who really cares, their program has always been another thug U. Yeah, I’m dreaming, but oh, what a DREAM!
Statue for CPJ
October 28th, 2009
9:03 am
With the apology, Beamer appears to have retracted the assertion that the hits were illegal and instead suggests that those types of hits should be made illegal in the future. Nice try at a recovery buy now you look more like a whiny new hire instead of seasoned coach. He should have taken the opportunity to show his players how to lose with dignity. I lost all respect for this prick. What an idiot for joining a player on a little hissy fit campaign.
VT fans must be ashamed.
EW
October 28th, 2009
9:15 am
CPJ runs his offensive (chop) blocking schemes like any other O line uses holding. Yeah it happens on a lot of plays, yeah it’s against the rules, but it’s also one of those things where there is some gray area you can operate in and get away with it. Do I think it’s dirty? I think it’s football.
UGAIsSoLastYear
October 28th, 2009
9:25 am
He retracted some but then went on to talk about other issues he had with game and officiating. I agree with the posters that say he is just setting the stage – I think – for next year’s game in Blacksburg. Look for us to get a bunch of bad calls if the refs succumb to his pressure.
All said – we need to concentrate on Vandy and beat them and go to 8-1 and maybe the Top 10!!!!!
Gt4ever
October 28th, 2009
9:38 am
EW, Good grief, CPJ does NOT coach CHOP blocking! Chop blocking is ILLEGAL.
WoodstawkDawg
October 28th, 2009
10:09 am
It’s Beamer being Beamer. He pulled the same crap a few years ago when the Dawgs beat them in the Chick-Fil-A bowl. Eight months later, at the start of the next season, he’s complaining that UGA cheated by spying on his practice sessions. In his world, it’s always someone else’s fault. The guys a sore loser, plain and simple. Hold your heads high, Tech fans, the ACC title is in sight.
Oh, and “Fightin’ Gobbler”, I think you’re just bitter because both teams from Ga. kicked your ass in big games.
TechMD
October 28th, 2009
1:22 pm
Rather than change the existing rules, they should enforce defensive holding! The DL was only “engaged” because he was holding the other OL. Beamer just wants to make it safer for his DL’s to cheat.
tech, one season doesn't make you a contender
October 28th, 2009
1:46 pm
dear tech fans who have just came out of the woodwork…this includes the leftover recruits that play on your high school football team. The kind of blocking that tech employs EVERYplay will get you a direct arse-whopping under a pile in an NFL game. you think that a grown 300 lb. man making milions of dollars is going to let you cheap shot his knees play after play after play? If you think this is real blocking that is going to get you anywhere in your football career besides straight to a high school playbook or straight to a beat down in the NFL showers, you are wrong. I think beamer is just pointing out the obvious: not that these individual plays were legal or illegal, but that the blocking scheme the nerds use is pretty much useless at the next level. So all of you potential nerd OL recruits out there deciding between tech and vanderbilt (because this is the type of school tech competes with for recruits), please don’t ruin 4 years of football for yourself. Learn blocking the right way, not from pajama pants small johnson. And for all of you bashing Beamer’s face, well PJ looks exactly like him, except more like a turkey with that gobbler of his. Also, keep in mind that if it wasn’t for Beamer and VT these past few years the ACC would be held to even a lower standard than it is currently…
Hokie Hoaxies
October 28th, 2009
4:30 pm
RIght before the season started I stated that I hated VT worse than any other team we face, more so than Clemson, Ga and Miami. Why? Because of this arrogance that they think they are the king of the hill and everyone else is beneath them. And when they do not win, why it’s someone else’s fault, GT cheated, Bama cheated, Refs Cheated. The truth is Beamer knows this cr@p is not going away and GT whipping his @ss is not just a one time deal and he cannot stand it. It is over for these Tech impersonators. God, I hope Butch Davis and the Heels rise to the occasion and beat his @ss too. Good riddance, backwood redneck hillbilly inbreds