You be the judge
Since there has been much ado about the blocks made by Georgia Tech against Virginia Tech in their game two weeks ago, I thought I’d let you see a couple of clips that a Hokies fan posted on youtube.com
The first:
Chop block?
As you can see, at first it appears that the Virginia Tech defensive lineman is being chop blocked, an illegal block in which one player engages a defender high while another defender engages him low.
But, if you watch closely, Georgia Tech’s guard actually doesn’t engage the defender, he simply runs by and he two players briefly collide. It is then that Georgia Tech’s tackle goes low and hits him. It’s a fine line, but it is the line.
I have no idea if I’m correct, but that’s what it looks like to me.
The second:
Crackback block?
Virginia Tech coach Frank Beamer said this was one of several plays in which safety Kam Chancellor was illegally blocked.
I’m sorry, but I don’t see it. Chancellor is cleanly blocked.
So, there are likely other plays, but at least in these two examples I don’t see it.
There had to have been some, otherwise the ACC wouldn’t have told Beamer that there were four missed blocks.
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In other news, Georgia Tech coach Paul Johnson said that Cooper Taylor likely won’t play again this season. He is going to apply to the NCAA for a medical redshirt.
Julian Burnett may return this week, however.
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Giant Turkey
October 27th, 2009
2:21 pm
Everybody in Blacksburg apologizes. When they told Coach Beamer to go to confession, he thought they said, “accusation,” and he went.
(G-V)Tech > 0
October 27th, 2009
2:26 pm
Funny to hear comments from Hokieville (queue the “Dueling Banjos”) attacking CPJ’s integrity and cleanliness of program. Funny to hear from a program with multiple players indicted on felonies and other misdemeanors. Even the team doc was charged with a felony a couple weeks ago (http://www.wdbj7.com/Global/story.asp?S=11319680). Laughable!!!
To Fightin Gobler
October 27th, 2009
2:27 pm
The reason that GA Tech Insider is saying that block on the next to last td drive was legal is because it is not a crack back by a player 8 yards outside the ball (ie a wide reciever). The block was by the a-back who was lined up right next to the tackle like a tight end and the block was near the line of scrimmage.
You are right though in that had it been the wide reciever then it would have been illegal because a crack back by a reciever spread out wide cannot be low.
Phil
October 27th, 2009
2:33 pm
GTMike – I wasn’t sure of the ruling, your reference appears to be a definitive ruling that the first play is in fact a legal block below the waist by the GA Tech tackle.
Tech(POSER)redneck
October 27th, 2009
2:41 pm
Hey fighting gobler, Gobel my goober. You guys sound just like that bunch from over in Athens. Any time you lose theres always an excuse. The one coach I’ll always admire is Bear Bryant. Whenever someone brought up some missed call or a play to queston after his team lost his comment would be, “the games over, the best team won”.period. And yea, circle that day on the calender for next season. That don’t guarantee you a win then either.
GT93
October 27th, 2009
2:48 pm
Fighting Gobbler: the video of the play that you provided was submitted to the ACC by Virginia Tech (and Frank Beamer) and was deemed LEGAL by the ACC. End of story. We ran the exact same plays, over and over again, against your classier arch-rival in Charlottesville. I have yet to hear them complaining about any of GT’s blocking tactics.
I think you’re forgetting that GT’s defense showed up in a BIG WAY against your Hokies and THAT is what made the difference in the game. Deal with it … worry about winning out the rest of your season … and let’s see where the chips land.
St. Simons
October 27th, 2009
2:49 pm
59-35-5 ahahahahahahahahahahahaha !!!!!!
VegasGT
October 27th, 2009
2:54 pm
Just take care of business against Vandy. Ignore the whining of the VT few and the baiting of the UGA few (not you banker) and concentrate on Vandy. Most of these people have shown that they truly don’t even understand the rules.
I really do think that Beamer is hoping that his whining will result in more penalties and that those penalties might help us to lose a game to Wake or Duke. He is truly a piece of work.
You didn’t see Bowden whining, class act. He might have some dirty defenses, but at lease he doesn’t whine.
Tech82
October 27th, 2009
2:58 pm
To all of you whining Hokies – Here is a quote from Frank Beamer and a link to the article:
“And generally speaking, let me say this: I’m all for chopping, cutting. I think that’s part of football.”
http://www.ajc.com/sports/georgia-tech/beamer-clarifies-comments-175380.html
VT Whiners
October 27th, 2009
3:09 pm
Thanks Tech82. When you read the article, Beamer doesn’t really come forth with a real apology. What a loser.
Not Disappointed
October 27th, 2009
3:15 pm
best of luck to Cooper Taylor!
Beat Vandy!
Bawling
October 27th, 2009
3:19 pm
Apology? What apology? I didn’t see no apology.
Dabo
October 27th, 2009
3:24 pm
chop chop chop thats all I see.
ACC
October 27th, 2009
3:24 pm
all chop conference
VT Whiners
October 27th, 2009
3:28 pm
I think if you run the triple option, you should not be allowed to block.
chokiehokiehater
October 27th, 2009
3:30 pm
Beamer you need to just shut up and go away…It is so obvious that you must be really scared of the GT program and what is to come of it in the next few years. Otherwise you would have let this go by now. Do not recall CPJ being cited for any illegal blocks at Navy or Ga Southern and do not think CPJ all of a sudden has a new way of doing things. Refs and Officials are smarter than your cr@p. You know it is always the schools like VT that has one of the top recruiting classes every year that crys the most when a school like GT out coaches you and out schemes you to beat you. TOO BAD TOO SAD. CPJ is just smarter than you and Bud Foster put together.
chokiehokiehater
October 27th, 2009
3:32 pm
cries, sorry……so what do you want Beamer? To change football altogether so you can win? CPJ outfoxed a fox.
son_sir
October 27th, 2009
3:54 pm
Hokies: Need some cheese to go with that whine ? Beamer’s intention is to get the ACC refs hypersensitive and call low blocks on GT more. I’m sure more coaches will start to echo Beamer as this offense picks up more steam. Can’t whip it ? Get the zebras feeling sorry for you in the “interest of safety”.
Slow-Mo most any team’s passing plays and you will see handfulls of jerseys by OL’s all the time. Seldom do you hear any complaints. It’s so common, it’s assumed that a blind eye will be turned to it. Most OL’s are taught to step back and shield (and get by with a grab or two when you need to). GT linemen are taught to attack aggressively. It’s called “run blocking”. A vanishing art in college football. Can’t handle it ? Apparently, according to Beamer and others,….. whine about it.
As a LB at GA Southern during the Hambone Era, I battled against this type of blocking every day at practice. Not once was I injured by it. God gave you a pair of hands to fight off those cut blocks and a pair of eyes to see that crack back on the way. It’s not like you don’t know it’s coming. Football is a violent game. Can’t accept that: Join the intramural flag league.
VegasGT
October 27th, 2009
3:56 pm
Yea, that so called “apology” was pretty lame. It’s like he said, you played a really good game, but…
I am glad he made that comment, just makes him look more like a cry-baby. I looked at the video and it looks like many of the blocks you see on punts and kick-offs, helmet across the front, legal. Yes, it might be more dangerous than a higher block, but the game isn’t for pansies.
I guarantee you that the players try to play the game the same way they practice it. If GT tends to do more cut blocking in games, don’t you think they do more cut blocking in practice? If that’s so and Beamer’s concerns are so on-point, then why doesn’t GT have a higher percentage of injured players from cut blocking during practice. GT has remained relatively injury neutral compared to other teams, knock on wood.
The next thing you know, Beamer will want to take away the pads and give them little strips of cloth to tuck into their waste. Football is dangerous. It’s amazing there aren’t more RB and WR injuries since they get tackled from the side and from behind on most plays.
Oh well, take care of Vandy.
Fightin Gobbler
October 27th, 2009
4:25 pm
I’m not going to dignify most of your comments to me with a response, but needless to say I hope you don’t kiss you kids good night with mouths like that. I’ve had nicer things said to me at a West Virginia game in Morgantown… sheesh.
See you next year in Blacksburg and be sure to bring your A game because you’re going to need it.
GTWins
October 27th, 2009
4:37 pm
In response to Beamer’s latest remarks or appology….maybe the NCAA rules committee needs to make all blind side hits illegal. A QB can get hurt from a blind side hit/tackle! What about the WR going across the middle and going up high into the air to make a catch…let’s make it illegal to hit him until he comes down and sees the Defensive player and has time to square up before getting hit! Quit whining and play football or go coach cheerleading or something!
son_sir
October 27th, 2009
5:12 pm
Fighting Goober: With this year’s GT team loaded with underclassmen, you can bet the ‘A’ game will be ALL the Way Turned Up in Blacksburg next year.
same ole same ole
October 27th, 2009
5:47 pm
And another thing gobble head..what the he!! is a hokie? I would die if that was my school’s name. Why don’t you chop block (haha) that issue and petition to have your Hokie name changed? You could be the VT Sheepherders, though we really know what you do with them…
chokiehokie
October 27th, 2009
5:50 pm
Oh we will have our A game in Blacksburg next year along with the A backs and B Backs and C back for another @ss whooping cause all but 2 of our starters are returning, hahahahahahahaha
Statue for CPJ
October 27th, 2009
5:55 pm
-I respected Beamer, even with his thug recruits, a lot more before this latest crying incident.
-Beat Vandy!
-Get better Taylor!
final thought
October 27th, 2009
6:46 pm
tuck you tek chop blocking idiots!
RT in NC
October 27th, 2009
8:36 pm
Mark Richt Just called. He thinks he saw an illegal chop block in last year’s GT-UGA game during the game winning TD and would like his win back. Oh wait, it was a crack back block on a different play. Oh, it was a actually different kinds of illegal blocks on various plays during the game. Wait, he was misquoted, but someone should protect the boys.
Watch Beamer during a game. He bitches about EVERY CALL that doesn’t go his way. Nut up Frank, you lost, you’re the coach, you take the blame.
Smilnjac
October 27th, 2009
9:08 pm
Both looked like good blocks to me.
GO TECH
October 27th, 2009
9:22 pm
Onthe video of the chop block, why wasn’t the defensive lineman called for holding? Note the jersy of the Tech player being pulled.
GO TECH
October 27th, 2009
9:24 pm
Why didn’t Beamer complain about the first down that Tech when the offical turned the ball?
H8 Yech
October 27th, 2009
9:49 pm
Hey, call it what you want but those guys are clearly being coached to cut block and (when they can get away with it) chop block. That’s the entire blocking scheme that makes the TO move the chains. Not that hard to figure out as LSU put a butt stomping on the cheaters. Miami didn’t do too bad against the cheaters either.
Yellowjacket239
October 27th, 2009
9:53 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4e7HOaXNcc
No chop blocks in this
buzz'n
October 27th, 2009
11:12 pm
It’s pretty low rent of Beamer to resort to a media war without calling CPJ first. I’m guessing that his belated personal call to CPJ covered that gaffe but sadly he turns right around and gives the worst non-apologetic apology I’ve heard in a while.
The conference has protocols to handle these things – including reporting them to the league office, bringing it up in officiating clinics and off season meetings etc. I am guessing however that Beamer did this because he was feeling the heat about getting out-adjusted and out-coached in the second half. Pretty low rent if you ask me.
I didn’t have a lot of respect for SOME of the Hokies fans before this (others are GREAT people), but you can add the head ball coach to the no-respect list as far as I am concerned. This is pretty low rent. Be a man about it – quit acting like Lane Kiffin.
macrotech
October 27th, 2009
11:21 pm
H8 Yech, “cheaters”? Isn’t that the battle cry of ALL losers?!
freshman Tight end
October 28th, 2009
12:55 am
this is ILLEGAL http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqiLlOybz9s
what georgia tech does isnt….. a lineman cant run upfield to block a linebacker? yeaa that makes sense
freshman Tight end
October 28th, 2009
12:59 am
ILLEGAL
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfkPSn_zTZ8&NR=1
freshman Tight end
October 28th, 2009
1:03 am
LSU GAME chop block called … look how GTs 77 is actually trying to get down field to take a linebacker on and the DT keeps contact by pulling his face mask to get the call
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-H2hD0cQY
GT90
October 28th, 2009
6:30 am
The real agenda here is that coaches know creating an issue like this creates future calls in their favor. Now there will be increased focus on that blocking technique and marginal instances of “chop blocking” that may not have been called in the past will be called in the future. Works the same in reverse. After the excessive celebration controversy of several weeks ago, I have not seen another call for that offense even though some celebrations clearly could have been called during last weeks games. I guess my point is that a lot of coaches will now bombard the NCAA with this blocking issue in order to get a rule change.
GT65
October 28th, 2009
8:18 am
Frank Beamer certainly comes across here as a prick, because he is one. It was bad enough to whine like a little girl, while coming across as arrogant ans self-righteous all at the same time. But the apology even moreso makes him a prick. He couldn’t just give an apology/clarification and leave it alone, no –he had to continue to whine.
VT is used to winning, with exception to 2006 and now 2009, they have won divisions and conference titles since joining the ACC in 2004. There is an air of arrogance in Beamer’s words, he can’t deal with the fact that the better team won, that GT will be a battle each and every year for him, and probably most of all, he was outschemed as a head football coach by Paul Johnson.
Dooley's Cardiologist
October 28th, 2009
8:29 am
Watch the replay of the game, and keep an eye on Kam Chancellor. You will see why he is looking for excuses. The guy played absolutely miserable. The truth is every head coach will get a call weekly from the conference saying that they had illegal blocks, holds, etc… that are not called. The only reason this was publicized was because CPJ’s offense is different from all the others and Beamer made a point to try and call him out on it. Unsuccessfully I might add. I am glad he manned up and apologized. On the other hand, It seems like we average at least 5 penalties a week for illegal blocks. Not an actual fact probably, but it sure feels like we do.
Gt4ever
October 28th, 2009
8:44 am
I vote for re-entry into the SEC! Let VT win the ACC every year. Who really cares, their program has always been another thug U. Yeah, I’m dreaming, but oh, what a DREAM!
Statue for CPJ
October 28th, 2009
9:03 am
With the apology, Beamer appears to have retracted the assertion that the hits were illegal and instead suggests that those types of hits should be made illegal in the future. Nice try at a recovery buy now you look more like a whiny new hire instead of seasoned coach. He should have taken the opportunity to show his players how to lose with dignity. I lost all respect for this prick. What an idiot for joining a player on a little hissy fit campaign.
VT fans must be ashamed.
EW
October 28th, 2009
9:15 am
CPJ runs his offensive (chop) blocking schemes like any other O line uses holding. Yeah it happens on a lot of plays, yeah it’s against the rules, but it’s also one of those things where there is some gray area you can operate in and get away with it. Do I think it’s dirty? I think it’s football.
UGAIsSoLastYear
October 28th, 2009
9:25 am
He retracted some but then went on to talk about other issues he had with game and officiating. I agree with the posters that say he is just setting the stage – I think – for next year’s game in Blacksburg. Look for us to get a bunch of bad calls if the refs succumb to his pressure.
All said – we need to concentrate on Vandy and beat them and go to 8-1 and maybe the Top 10!!!!!
Gt4ever
October 28th, 2009
9:38 am
EW, Good grief, CPJ does NOT coach CHOP blocking! Chop blocking is ILLEGAL.
WoodstawkDawg
October 28th, 2009
10:09 am
It’s Beamer being Beamer. He pulled the same crap a few years ago when the Dawgs beat them in the Chick-Fil-A bowl. Eight months later, at the start of the next season, he’s complaining that UGA cheated by spying on his practice sessions. In his world, it’s always someone else’s fault. The guys a sore loser, plain and simple. Hold your heads high, Tech fans, the ACC title is in sight.
Oh, and “Fightin’ Gobbler”, I think you’re just bitter because both teams from Ga. kicked your ass in big games.
TechMD
October 28th, 2009
1:22 pm
Rather than change the existing rules, they should enforce defensive holding! The DL was only “engaged” because he was holding the other OL. Beamer just wants to make it safer for his DL’s to cheat.
tech, one season doesn't make you a contender
October 28th, 2009
1:46 pm
dear tech fans who have just came out of the woodwork…this includes the leftover recruits that play on your high school football team. The kind of blocking that tech employs EVERYplay will get you a direct arse-whopping under a pile in an NFL game. you think that a grown 300 lb. man making milions of dollars is going to let you cheap shot his knees play after play after play? If you think this is real blocking that is going to get you anywhere in your football career besides straight to a high school playbook or straight to a beat down in the NFL showers, you are wrong. I think beamer is just pointing out the obvious: not that these individual plays were legal or illegal, but that the blocking scheme the nerds use is pretty much useless at the next level. So all of you potential nerd OL recruits out there deciding between tech and vanderbilt (because this is the type of school tech competes with for recruits), please don’t ruin 4 years of football for yourself. Learn blocking the right way, not from pajama pants small johnson. And for all of you bashing Beamer’s face, well PJ looks exactly like him, except more like a turkey with that gobbler of his. Also, keep in mind that if it wasn’t for Beamer and VT these past few years the ACC would be held to even a lower standard than it is currently…
Hokie Hoaxies
October 28th, 2009
4:30 pm
RIght before the season started I stated that I hated VT worse than any other team we face, more so than Clemson, Ga and Miami. Why? Because of this arrogance that they think they are the king of the hill and everyone else is beneath them. And when they do not win, why it’s someone else’s fault, GT cheated, Bama cheated, Refs Cheated. The truth is Beamer knows this cr@p is not going away and GT whipping his @ss is not just a one time deal and he cannot stand it. It is over for these Tech impersonators. God, I hope Butch Davis and the Heels rise to the occasion and beat his @ss too. Good riddance, backwood redneck hillbilly inbreds