Georgia Tech, the ACC and the polls

OK, raise your hand if you think Virginia Tech is the sixth best team in the country right now.
I know, it’s not really a fair question.
Who the heck knows who should be in the top 25 this year. Even Florida now has issues should Tim Tebow have to miss the Gators’ next game in two weeks.
And is Georgia Tech, which has played one bad game, two good ones, and one average one, be ranked no higher than 25th?
But here’s the bigger issue, one the ACC just can’t seem to avoid: it once again doesn’t have a lead dog, a team that can legitimately say it’s within the ballpark of Florida, Texas or Alabama right now.
Had Miami taken care of things in Blacksburg, it potentially could have been that team. Florida State sure isn’t, and it doesn’t appear like it will be anytime soon.
Clemson lost its chance, even after its loss to Georgia Tech, by losing to TCU on Saturday.
Could it be the Hokies? It has been them for the past few years, but I can’t get over the offense, or lack of passing game, specifically. And please don’t say that Georgia Tech is the last team to talk about another team’s passing game.
But Virginia Tech’s defense and special teams are more than proven, while Georgia Tech’s this season have had ups and downs.
So, whichever team in the Coastal runs the table would seem to have the best chance at achieving lead-dog status. VT’s path is much easier than GT’s, simply because the Hokies are already sixth, while GT is 25th, with only two games against teams that are currently ranked remaining (VT and UGA). Miami could still get back in the mix, as well. I doubt they will play another game in a monsoon, as they did Saturday. A win against Oklahoma on Saturday will move them right back up to the top 10.
It’s all still a guessing game right now. But I’d love to hear your thoughts on what Georgia Tech and the ACC needs to happen to get a team in the national championship picture.

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Stinger

September 27th, 2009
9:54 pm

Virginia Tech definately deserves to be in the top 6. The game against Miami might have been different under dry conditions, but that is part of the game. Miami can still and probably will be a top 10 team before the season is over. Who has Florida beat to deserve their ranking this year? They play a very easy schedule and certainly are not unbeatable. I think Miami will beat Oklahoma. Georgia Tech will get better each week. We just have to win one game at a time and by the time we play VT, it will be very interesting.

gojckts1

September 27th, 2009
10:00 pm

Who cares if the ACC doesn’t have a team in the “national championship picture” right now. First of all, by definition VA Tech IS that team right now, because ranked 6th, I would safely assume you’re within striking distance of the BCS title (if you win and watch the others fall, which over the past few years has happened). Second of all, even if the media doesn’t portray it, there ARE very good football teams in this conference, and one of them is in ATL. VT, GT, Mia, UNC are the class of the conference, and Clem, Wake, BC, NCSt are all pretty good teams as well. if the media is so igorant that there has to be a FLA in every conference that bowls over each and every team in the league then let them have it, i don’t want it that way. Where’s the competitive passion in that??

macrotech

September 27th, 2009
10:01 pm

Polls are proving to be the least scientific measure of a team. Even the people defending their standings sound like a bunch of politicians selling beach front property in Colorado. The ACC needs to see someone step up in a big way. Truly, it’s not that big of a deal….Tech just needs to keep on winning and let the polls do whatever their going to do….twas a NICE turn around from last week, though! GO TECH!!!

gojckts1

September 27th, 2009
10:02 pm

And by the way, the game that decides the ACC Coastal will be played Oct 17th in Atlanta so get ur butts out to bobby Dodd and support this team!

A. Young

September 27th, 2009
10:03 pm

I watched that game and the whole time I looked it was raining on both teams so don’t use that as an excuse. Miami just got the hell beat out of them fair and square. I never could understand why Miami was favored to win at Blacksburg and I certainly am not a Va. Tech. fan. Miami was jumped up there based on one game the way they beat Ga. Tech. Tech had a bad game and Miami had a good one. The polls are a joke.

StraightJacket

September 27th, 2009
10:18 pm

Do a preseason poll – just for fun and conversation.

Then DON’T vote again until AFTER the 3rd week of October. The BCS doesn’t come out until then, and if these other goofy polls would wait until then, I think you’d have less of the ‘ole die-hard pattern of voters doing “relative” voting from week-to-week.

You know: Like voting Cal at Number 19 just ONE DAY AFTER they got KILLED by Oregon, 42-3 (NOT a typo; 42-3!). Oh, … and Oregon is ranked 25 in the coaches poll … 7 spots BELOW CAL!

Yes, that’s a joke, if not criminal. Voting credentials and man cards should be revoked for such nonsense.

-SJ

Slick Willard

September 27th, 2009
10:31 pm

Stinker (or was that Stinger?), you are absolutely right. GT ought to be No. 1 and Florida ought to be No. 25 based on your comment. Apparently, not many poll voters agree with you about the Gators though. GT is a team of pretenders. At least the Gators have won two of the last 2 NC’s and have a decent shot at another this year. How is Tech doing now?

Slick Willard

September 27th, 2009
10:32 pm

Two of the last 3 NC’s I meant to say. Sorry.

FB Observer

September 27th, 2009
10:51 pm

“Had Miami taken care of things in Blacksburg, it potentially could have been that team.” Miami didn’t take care of things. VT did and so VT is “that” team.

Hey Dogtards

September 27th, 2009
11:22 pm

GT has beaten tough UNC & Clemson teams and lost (although not in a very respectable way) to a well rested and pretty solid Miami team on the road. It amazes me that teams like uog can be ranked so high a) without a quality win and b) without looking good in their victories. Not that uog doesn’t deserve to be ranked (because they do), but they certainly haven’t shown me they deserve to be in the top 14. Not that Tech does either, although that unc game was a better four quarters of anything uog has put together this season.

Not to pick on uog, but I’ve seen all of their games. I’m sure there are plenty of other teams with uninspiring wins and mediocre losses that are ranked.

The Dude (Andrew Sherwin)

September 27th, 2009
11:27 pm

There are a couple things this Jacket fan thinks that could help when trying to judge the talent of teams against teams they have not played or will not play. The first thing I would do is eliminate playing FCS schools, period. Tech, is guilty of this, I know. The second thing I think would help would be to take a page from the ACC/Big Ten Basketball challenge… For those who don’t know what that is, the conferences match their teams top to bottom for bragging rights (1 plays 1, 2 and 2, and so on based on conference finishing order from the year before). Do that with at least two non-conference games and you’ve got a real measuring stick. The last thing (I know couple is normally reserved for two things, but I’m on a roll), for remaining non-conference games, remove the institution’s negotiating rights, as far as paying a school to come play them at home, etc. Give those rights to the conference to which they belong and allow the Conferences to negotiate match-ups. It will still be a little corrupt, but not quite like Florida playing Charleston Southern. Oh, and Notre Dame, sorry honey. You’ll need to join the Big “Ten” West and give that conference some new found legitimacy with a championship game in the RCA Dome, or whatever they call that thing now where the Colts play.

Wreckbone Fan

September 27th, 2009
11:38 pm

We will see first hand how tough the SEC is when we pla miss st. The power conference teams are overrated as always. We get embarrases ans drop 15 20 spots. DA U gets embarrassed and drops 9. But that’s ok, notice that if e beat uga then it helps us a lot and if there is 3 way tie for costal and div recors equa I think rank plats into it (why we would have won last year if miami beat nc state) so the ranking can help s if we beat UGA also

Why doent our beat writer have. Link on the sports page but even uga’s fan blgger has one?

Doug you need to keep up the greatcoverage for basketball too. We are gonna have a natioally ranked team and need the coverage to be complete.

Ever notice when we do poorly bradly and schultz write articles (more than 1 a piece about how we don’t belong on the fielf with DA U) but we beat someone well and we never hear a word. Awe

mtraininjax

September 27th, 2009
11:45 pm

The answer lies in 3rd down conversions. Tech as 10-19 against UNC, while UNC was 1-11. That 1-11 was the same as Tech the week before in Miami. You have to convert on 3rd down, and Tech did that against UNC, but failed against Miami. You can roll up as many yards as you want, but you have to convert on 3rd down and stop your opponent when you have the opportunity to do so.

Golden Isles

September 27th, 2009
11:46 pm

play every game like the last one ….with the same results….come year end …we should be on top…yeah, I think that would do it.

Jay

September 27th, 2009
11:57 pm

Well, we know who has the best coach out of these teams listed in the article. PJ would kick everyone’s a$$ just on intensity alone. He is a fighter and a winner. Just take a look at his reaction to a blown call by the ref.s at the end of the second half against NC. That is a winner’s reaction my friends. Its all on the up and up on N. Avenue.

Toe Meets Leather

September 27th, 2009
11:59 pm

There’s no better way to remember Tech’s last national championship run in 1990 than buying “Toe Meets Leather”, a depiction of Scott Sisson’s field goal to beat then-#1 Virginia. Now available at http://www.stingtees.com !

StingerSplash

September 28th, 2009
12:03 am

Alabama manhandled Va. Tech. They’re top six like Boise State is top five.
So what happens if Va. Tech, Miami and Georgia Tech all wind up tied with one loss atop the division? Who goes to the ACC championship game?

Aand P

September 28th, 2009
12:10 am

polls are for winners,see how that works.Oh I forgot who I was talking to.

Cuttysark

September 28th, 2009
12:19 am

Polls are good to keep the interest in college football going year round. But they are useless as the season progresses. The Cal rating is a joke, as are lots of others. The only poll that matters is the last one of the season. Right now Georgia Tech is getting no respect, and that should keep the chip in their shoulder as the season progresses. Looking for higher rankings as the season goes forward. We’ll get our shot at Virginia Tech in a few weeks.

Go to http://isportsweb.com for more Georgia Tech articles and previews and reports of all games.

Homer

September 28th, 2009
12:23 am

The polls have turned college football into gymnastics. A bunch of people with all their biases judging which team performed a 10, and which performed a 5.

Tokyo jacket

September 28th, 2009
2:30 am

Wreckbone, are you drunk dude? Generally, polls are crap. VT and BSU are ranked too high and GT is ranked too low. But, that is a huge upset win if GT beats VT in two weeks. So, I’ll take the disparity for now.

Actually, the game against VT will tell us a lot. If we win that game, it will be the biggest win on the Flats since a 1998 victory over UVA (then ranked #7) in my mind.

Not Disappointed

September 28th, 2009
3:44 am

Lets play some Focus Football and screw the Polls for now. It should take care of it’s self as the season progress.

Ramblin Wreck!

m

September 28th, 2009
3:57 am

The polls have been total BS all year.

Why do you write about the polls like that they matter?

The polls are what is wrong with college football.

Sam

September 28th, 2009
4:04 am

There won’t be a 3 way tie StingerSplash. GT will lose 2 more ACC games this year.

Baba O'Riley

September 28th, 2009
6:45 am

That Cal ranking is a joke. There is no way in he11 they should be ranked. I also don’t think LSU should be in the Top 5. They haven’t played a solid game yet. It looks like Boise State has a good chance of sliding into the NC game, and they’ve played no one. There shouldn’t be any polls out yet. All they are good for is discussion.

GT Rich

September 28th, 2009
7:06 am

Four reasons that polls are useless, in the coaches’ poll: Cal loses to Oregon and is ranked higher, Oklahoma loses to BYU and is ranked higher, Ok State loses to Houston and is ranked higher, Penn State loses to Iowa and is ranked higher.

GTfan04

September 28th, 2009
7:07 am

How about a discussion comparing the divisions of the ACC? The Coastal has emerged as the unquestionably dominant half of the division.

Is it safe to assume that the Atlantic will forever be doomed to secondary status?

Baba O'Riley

September 28th, 2009
7:09 am

Rich- The Cal-Oregon game was domination. If I were an Oregon fan, I’d be pi$$ed

snapshot

September 28th, 2009
7:37 am

Polls do not mean anything until the end of the season. Tech is exactly where they need to be. They can control their on destiny.

George P

September 28th, 2009
7:43 am

The polls are just opinions with little supporting data. They always have been. The whole BCS system is built on a foundation of unsupported assumptions.

All we really know are who wins the games. I love college football, and that’s good enough for me.

At best all this emphasis on the polls and the BCS championship is a waste of time. At worst it diminishing what really counts: the individual games.

Tokyo jacket

September 28th, 2009
7:45 am

Snapshot, no, we do not control our own destiny. If we win out and Miami wins out, we’d be in a two way tie with them having the tiebreaker. If GT, UM, and VT all win out, I’m not sure how we’d break that three-way tie. Fortunately, I don’t think that’s going to be the case.

NYJacket

September 28th, 2009
7:54 am

Georgia Tech has a really, really, good football team. People forget how young this team is. Tech will keep playing well and the polls will take care of themselves.

An ACC championship and BCS bowl are still within reach.

SatchelBuzz

September 28th, 2009
7:55 am

What a joke,…Boise State in the top 5. By all rights,..they’re no better than 18-20. We should be 12-14.

THWG!!!

Stinger

September 28th, 2009
8:22 am

Slick Willard or is it Slick Willie – We are talking about this year, not last year or the year before or 10 yrs. ago. If Tech played the pansies that Flordia plays they would be undefeated too. The Gators don’t want any part of playing us. Ask Urban Myer if he wants to play Tech!!! You may beat up on the Dawgs, but try to do it to us.

CatsFly

September 28th, 2009
8:34 am

I agree that Alabama proved to be better than VaTech, but not “that” much better. As I remember it, they (VaTech) was ahead in the 4th quarter. Tony, it’s irresponsible to say VaTech isn’t even in the same ball park as Alabama. Statements like that make it hard for me to place much credence in what you say.

FootBallFan

September 28th, 2009
8:34 am

SatchelBuz validate your “opinion”. Your team got totally beat down by Miami and quit in the process. Your offense has underachieved since the UGA game. Your defense is abysmal You can’t pass your way past a high school team and you GT fans think you’re all that? You think you should be ranked higher than UGA but have no solid reason as to why. They do everything you don’t. They can play from behind. They play with more heart. They make the plays when they count. Their yardage equates to points, and they can light teams up with their passing game. They are better than you in every category that defines the word team. All you have is that “opinion”.

And Stinger, please! Florida would hang 60 on you. You have absolutely nothing to validate that you could stay on the field with Florida. That delusion is why you Tech fans live 99% of your lives pissed off about how things always seem to wash out with your team when it all said and done. Is that the end result of 40 years of football futility?

Cleveland, OH jacket

September 28th, 2009
8:52 am

FootballFan. It’s funny when you talk about people’s opinions only to lay down your own OPINIONS with no supporting facts…just blanket statements that have little merit.

So are you saying that UGA’s offense didn’t underachieve vs ASU? Pretty sure both teams played good defenses this week. How did your team do? How did ours?

What has UGA done THIS YEAR to merit #18, let alone #14. South Carolina is your only good win and even that game to the USC QB having to make the wrong decision on who to throw to in the waning seconds of the game. Had he thrown to the wide open wheel route, you would be sitting at 2-2.

No heart? I’m pretty sure they showed heart in the 4th qtr of Clemson, when they let 24 point lead turn to a 3 point deficit and had 140 total yards of offense in that qtr to pull of the victory.

Pretty sure the defense showed heart this last week after getting their butts handed to them the last couple weeks to only allow 154 total yards (granted UNC’s offense seems inept…but 154 yards is a great defensive performance).

Don’t come here and act like UGA is so high and mighty this year because they haven’t done squat. You’ll be lucky to be within a touchdown of LSU this week. UGA is lucky not to be 1-3, but I’ll give them that good teams find a way to win.

They are way overrated and your year is going to come crashing down after you have 3-4 more losses. Btw, UGA talking about another team’s defense is laughable.

chad

September 28th, 2009
9:03 am

Footballfan,

Plaease validate your OPINION. What has ugay done? LOST to a ok OSU team all be it on the road, but you still LOST. Barely beat a unranked USC (backed into that one), a unranked ASU (lucky again) oh yeah these games were at HOME. Lets see ugay barely beat unranked Arkansas at HOME. I think Alabama just beat the hell out of them, shut them down while ugay gave up over 400 yds of passing offense. You need to shut up while you can because your OPINION is just like every other nutt licker worthless. Facts are not opinions by the way and the facts are both teams have a ways to go, but your defense flat sucks and the shameful thing is ugay has all the world class players, I don’t get it;but any way I like Tech’s chances better. Turn over machine Cox is going to get you beat. Everyone has seen ugay’s best already this year, but you haven’t seen Tech at it’s best. when it happens guess ugay is going to be saying “we have our #1 recruiting class coming next year, Arron what ever his name is playing qb and just wait we will not loooooooooooose to you again for a third year.” Chew on that for a while arse sniffer.

GT Professor

September 28th, 2009
9:07 am

Once again someone shows their incompetence in college football history. Tech’s latest national championship – 1990, UGA last national championship – 1980? Tech has had an average team in the 00’s; we fielded a pretty good team during the days when Joe Hamilton was QB, and a even better team during the early 90’s. With a great coach now, Tech will even have better days in football.

GT Professor

September 28th, 2009
9:09 am

My comments were directed to FootballFan’s comments of “That delusion is why you Tech fans live 99% of your lives pissed off about how things always seem to wash out with your team when it all said and done. Is that the end result of 40 years of football futility?”

Gt4ever

September 28th, 2009
9:46 am

40 years of utility???? That’s a stretch football fan. We have more football history than you will ever have! I would assume that you are a UGAG fan, which would validate your incompetence. I would agree that we are NOT a top 15 team, but our coach, if he can recruit will bring this football program back to the prominence of the 50’s. We will finally become competitive and beat your team more than just once in eight years. If he can’t recruit then we will still have the finest academic institution in the state of Georgia!

Sautee Dawg

September 28th, 2009
9:53 am

Not only are Teams overrated but the polls are also. Lots of teams left out that should be in, lots of teams in that should be left out.
Penn St. Ohio St. Notre Dame, just to mention a few, ranked according to their history. and shouldn’t be.
Boise st. should get a schedule that plays some stronger opponents. Strength of schedule should keep them below Ga. Tech and UGA.
Keep winning and you’ll eventually get noticed, Unless Notre Dame wins a couple more and then everybody will be overlooked. (Even Tebow)

cltgtfan

September 28th, 2009
10:08 am

The focus should be on Miss State next week. Who cares what the polls say?

GT Que

September 28th, 2009
10:14 am

I agree – I’m not sure if LSU is just ‘that’ bad or if Miss St is ‘that’ good

It will be interesting to see how UGA does against LSU and we fair against Miss St

One thing is for sure, we need the win

GT83

September 28th, 2009
10:22 am

Who cares about rankings anyway. They don’t mean a thing. And it seems to me GT doesn’t do too well when ranked decently. Only the top 5 or so matter…….at the end of the season!

Tech82

September 28th, 2009
10:29 am

cltgtfan – Well said. It’s useless to be looking ahead at where we might be ranked. We need to look no further ahead than this coming Saturday when we play a team that took LSU to the brink.

So far, we have beaten only one team convincingly (the Jax St win doesn’t count). By my way of thinking, that merits a ranking of around #25 – right where we are. If we continue to play with consistency, our ranking will take care of itself.

What amazes me is how UGA, who fields an eighth grade defense week in and week out, can manage to get ranked as high as they do. They are (and have been for quite some time) the most overrated team in div 1.

TD tommy

September 28th, 2009
10:32 am

Tokyo You cant use the if miami gt vt win out comment because gt still plays vt. for gt to get to the champ game, they will need miami to lose again OR they will need to win out and hope for a 3 way tie if miami doesn’t lose another acc game. if there’s a 3 way tie, with all losses coming from the same division, then it would go to the highest bcs ranking. so the ga game may have even bigger implications.

T.O.S.S.

September 28th, 2009
10:39 am

TechTony

September 28th, 2009
10:47 am

Hopefully the Tech coaches and players are spending less time debating their position in the polls than we are because it’s another big game for the Jackets come Saturday. There’s nothing that Mississippi State does on either side of the ball that Tech can’t find a way to limit but we have to bear in mind that it is very difficult to play an out of conference game (and on the road no less)after 3 straight league affairs. Ask Georgia how hard it can be to play nonconference after a couple of league games. Even though I’m far from convinced that the other Bulldogs are a good team (beating Vandy and playing LSU tough are feathers in their caps however), it’s going to take a solid effort to win in Starkville so hopefully that’s what we’ll see.

collegeballfan

September 28th, 2009
10:52 am

Looking at the Johnson year & 4 games. 12 and 5. The problem in judging Tech is that they have only played one truly quality team – LSU in the bowl. Everyone else on their schedule has been average at best. And I include VT in that average at best. LSU was a quality team & just beat up Tech. So I will say Tech is average at best, just like their opponents to date.

And because of the OL & DL I do not believe Tech is as good this year as last year.