Cleaning up an APR rumor

Reading the comments on the message board, many of you were afraid that if Derrick Favors becomes a one-and-done, the APR for Tech’s men’s basketball team will take another hit.

That’s not true, but there’s a catch.

Any athlete that leaves school before he graduates, and is on a pro roster next year, doesn’t count against a team’s APR…if he leaves in good academic standing.

For example, junior Gani Lawal has put his name in for the NBA draft. If he leaves Tech having completed this semester in good standing, and gets drafted or signs with a pro team, the basketball team’s APR won’t be negatively affected.

One other thing, athletics director Dan Radakovich included a note in the most recent edition of The Sting, the athletics department’s weekly newsletter, that “As a department we have become more equipped to address an monitor the structure of these NCAA academic standards…”

Tech Sports Information Director Dean Buchan said that the department isn’t reshuffling people, but it will continue to focus on the coordination needed across departments to ensure all sports exceed the NCAA’s minimum score of 925.

Heading over to tennis later today to watch some of the first-round action against jackson State.

123 comments Add your comment

Mr. Grinch

May 8th, 2009
7:35 am

THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU!!!! I’m glad you cleared that up.

This should be the final nail in the “academic superiority” myth spewed by a large number of yellow jacket fans, but some just absolutely refuse to accept the facts.

eBuzz

May 8th, 2009
7:44 am

The 2 scholarship penalty assessed against the men’s basketball team for failure to meet NCAA academic standards is extremely disappointing, even more so than the team’s sad performance on the court. Neither is what Tech fans and alumni expect or deserve from any of their programs. Unfortunately, Mr. Hewitt is simply not getting the job done, and other than an occasional fluke, it is unlikely that he will in the future. It is time for a change, now, not next year or the year after coupled with more excuses. True, his contract is a burden, but it will always be a burden. Hopefully, it will be a lesson learned in for future contract negotiations with any coach.

JacketHeart

May 8th, 2009
7:50 am

Mr. Grinch,there is no doubt of academic superiority of GT over the Ugags. Those FACTs were documented in a previous AJC article. My question is how can the Ugags score so low on the college entry exams and suddenly get so high (relatively speaking) on the APR. Perhaps the NCAA should investigate this.

Gt4ever

May 8th, 2009
7:50 am

What myth, Mr. Grinch! Football and basketball players are there for ONE thing! Yes, there are exceptions, but for the most part the HYPOCRISY is just mind numbing when it comes to academics at a major institution.

cltgtfan

May 8th, 2009
8:50 am

Doug, is it any pro roster or only the NBA? My question is more directly, how do kids such as Dickey count in the equation?

droberson

May 8th, 2009
8:53 am

I believe it’s a pro roster, but I need to doublecheck

Your Neighbor

May 8th, 2009
9:03 am

JacketHeart….If you would take the time to research UGA’s entrance requirements, I believe you would find it a much more challenging school than you think. Or, you could remain the typical Yellow Jacket, and rant about things you don’t understand. Both schools are excellent academic institutions, depending on what your chosen fields of study happen to be.

texaswreck

May 8th, 2009
9:14 am

Remember that being in good academic standard is easier at some schools than others. It is very unlikely that a player majoring in kinesiology (phys ed) will fall into trouble, but a business, economics, engineering major could happen due to time, practice, travel, etc. The bottom line is that Tech’s basketball APR is not acceptable. One and done does hurt a school like Tech because we are not going to get players who want to major in PE since we do not have that as a major. Even worse, these same Tech players who are not academically gifted also do not seem to be athletically gifted!! Question: how much impact does a player being declared ineligible have if the player later gets back in good standing, versus an ineligible player leaving??

Phoneguy

May 8th, 2009
9:17 am

Man, this must suck for the Tech fans. Now UGA is superior in ACADEMICS as well. (That must suck) HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Phoneguy

May 8th, 2009
9:29 am

Sorry for the childish post. Couldn’t resist, its just laughable that Tech considers itself so academically superior to UGA and now this comes out. And to even make the statement of having the NCAA evaluate the test scores is just hilarious. Talk about redheaded stepchild syndrome.

Stumpy's Bear

May 8th, 2009
9:35 am

Phoneguy, UGA is supprior in Acagemcics as well as ???? We’ve beaten you in every major sport this year.

Also, APR has nothing to do with quality of education which has been settled in every ranking that’s ever been released, it has to do with a combination of the focus the athletics department, and more specifically individual coaches, puts on academics vs. athletics and challenge of the coursework. Challenging probably the number one adjective when it comes to Georgia Tech academics.

I’m not satisfied with our APR failure, but it’s not a reflection on the school’s quality of education.

Stumpy's Bear

May 8th, 2009
9:37 am

superior, academics (sp) obv

RAMBLE ON!!!

May 8th, 2009
9:38 am

OK Phoneguy, I’m trying to think of what else “UGA is superior” in…but can’t. Please help…but keep in mind we don’t have a ladies gymnastic or equestrian team.

Georgia Fans

May 8th, 2009
9:50 am

Don’t you have your own blog? Why are you so obsessed with Tech that you must be on their fans blog day in and day out? Doesn’t it make you kind of sad to know you’re more interested in what we’re saying than what your own fans are saying. Keep coming on here losers. Just makes me laugh harder everytime. But hey, maybe y’all will win at swimming this year…then you’ll really have some trash talking to do!

Saint Simons

May 8th, 2009
10:05 am

45-42!!!!!!! hahahahahahahahahaha

Navigator

May 8th, 2009
10:23 am

I have to agree with some of the Georgia fans about comments Tech fans are making about UGA as an academic institution. Both my sons graduated from UGA (my oldest with his Masters), and there is nothing easy about getting your degree there. UGA has as good an academic name as any other school in the SEC, except Vanderbilt. However, there is a difference in what studies the UGA athletes have available, versus what’s available at Tech for their players.

JacketSteve

May 8th, 2009
10:41 am

Navigator, you hit the nail on the head. I have to admit that UGA does have better academic standards now, especially since the whole Jan Kemp ordeal years ago. But the classes and majors that the TECH athletes are taking compared to what the UGA athletes are taking are so much more challenging it’s not even a discussion. While I was a junior at Tech I took classes at Uga spring quarter. I did it to get my english credits out of the way, because my girlfriend was at Uga and because it was spring in Athens and Brumby Beach was a far better sight than anything I’d ever seen on the Tech campus. But I did get to know some of the athletes and some of the classes they were taking. They were a joke compared to the classes I had with people like Mark Price, John Salley and the Hall of Famer Pat Swilling.

gte268p

May 8th, 2009
10:43 am

There may not be anything easy about getting CERTAIN degrees at uga, but there sure are easy things about getting SOME degrees at uga! Plus, classes seem to be a bit more challenging when student-athletes aren’t given free passes in classes. Please remind me, how many points is a three pointer worth?

c

May 8th, 2009
11:04 am

This doesn’t prove anything about academics at Tech or UGA. It proves that Hewitt doesn’t graduate his players that’s it.

AGTFan

May 8th, 2009
11:08 am

We Tech fans do sometimes get silly in talking about UGA academics. UGA is an excellent school and I would be proud to have my daughter get a degree from UGA. I’d even start talking to her again after a few years. Just kidding! There have been some very high quality minds that participated in the athletics of both schools and some morons. UGA owes a true debt to the job Coach Felton did of straightening out the academic mess he inherited from Harrick. Of course, they rewarded him with a job termination. While Hewatt doesn’t sink to the Harrick level, he does have a lot to answer for. He doesn’t seem to be getting the job done on or off the court.

keep laughing, Saint Simons

May 8th, 2009
11:17 am

HAHAHAHAHAHA…..yeah, 45-42…….must have been the IQ of some of the yellow jacket bb players…….right, Saint Simons – HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Damon E

May 8th, 2009
11:52 am

How do we do it? Simple…..we have majors like “Housing” and “Consumer Economics” which are only slightly less-challenging than the average high school vocational-track curriculum. I mean, c’mon….how else would we ever be able to keep guys with Wonderlic scores in the low teens (Wynn, Moreno, etc….) on track to graduate? Heck, Harrick Jr’s “Hoops 101″ course was one of the tougher challenges in our student-athletes’ academic careers! (Glad they don’t have that hurdle to clear anymore!)

If Tech wants to avoid these problems in the future, they really need to add some majors that marginal students can breeze thru. Simply requiring higher GPA and test numbers than the rest of us use for student-athletes ain’t cutting it.

RetLTC

May 8th, 2009
12:05 pm

gte268p

May 8th, 2009
10:43 am
There may not be anything easy about getting CERTAIN degrees at uga, but there sure are easy things about getting SOME degrees at uga! Plus, classes seem to be a bit more challenging when student-athletes aren’t given free passes in classes. Please remind me, how many points is a three pointer worth?

Reggie Ball would have missed that one.

Hayseed Dixie

May 8th, 2009
12:35 pm

Hey, does the UGA entrance exam still include the “fog the mirror” section?

AGTFan

May 8th, 2009
12:41 pm

I see this is degenerating into the normal silliness. Just a note to Mr Roberson, Great article on Murton. You are doing a nice job covering GT.

UGA's a joke

May 8th, 2009
12:58 pm

That was on a college test. Yikes! UGA…lmao.

vamosjackets

May 8th, 2009
1:10 pm

Please do an investigation into how a student at a state university (sic) (like Ugag) can spend 4 years in a major like sports/leisure studies or parks and recreation management or field turf management. To base university perfomance on graduation rates is baloney when schools like our great state university exploit athletes by putting them in a bogus major for 4 years just to keep them elligible. That is where the biggest wrong doing is occuring now. Please investigate these degrees/majors! That would open up the black box known as football factory “student”-athletes moreso than anything else. Someone needs to tell the story, and blow the whistle.

Maddog

May 8th, 2009
1:30 pm

vamosjackets – I understand the point you are trying to make, but many of the majors you disparage actually serve a purpose.

Field turf management. The son of a family friend majored in this exact subject and is in charge of the greens on two golf courses operated by the same people. He makes a pretty good living to boot. I happen to play golf so I appreciate the fruits of his labor.

Recreation management. The recreation department of the city in which I live is headed by a man with that degree, but not from UGA. My children thoroughly enjoy, and take advantage of, the opportunities afforded by the city. Outside of school and sleeping in their beds at night, they probably spend as much time participating in the events headed up by someone who, in your opinion, has a worthless major. The guy really does a good job. Not great pay, but he enjoys it and is good at it. Isn’t that really what it’s all about?

Regarding leisure studies. Okay, you got me there. I don’t know of anyone with that major and how they applied it to a career.

Regardless, we all have unique talents and interests and I think it’s great that a college can offer degrees from such a diverse field. Just my thoughts.

Maddog

May 8th, 2009
1:34 pm

By the way, we all have our skeletons.

The Harrick debacle (how many points do you get from a 3-pointer) was a total disgrace, but so was the O’Leary fiasco (keeping athletes eligible by fixing their transcripts). Here’s the upside – both Harrick and O’Leary are gone. Time to move on.

CoolBreeze

May 8th, 2009
1:39 pm

So, a “C” in a math course at, say, MIT, is not as good as a “B” in a PE course at UGa? Just asking………

Stumpy's Bear

May 8th, 2009
1:40 pm

O’Leary was never found guilty of any such thing. If you are referring to the harsh probation we received for playing ineligible athletes, that’s one thing, but no one ever claimed O’Leary was behind it all. It was a clerical mistake and we’ve moved on. Harrick was a disgrace.

Mr. Grinch

May 8th, 2009
1:41 pm

To CoolBreeze

All depends on who’s hiring. Is an employer looking for a math teacher or a PE instructor:) Jusy sayin’……….

Mr. Grinch

May 8th, 2009
1:59 pm

To Stumpy’s Bear

Perhaps O’Leary was never involved. Who knows? All he did was lie on his resume. By the way, I have a doctorate degree from Harvard, I’m fluent in 9 languages, have mastered 14 musical instruments, and will win next season on American Idol…………..

GoodWord

May 8th, 2009
2:31 pm

For the record: Out of the fifteen players on GT’s roster last year they were majoring in the following categories.

9 were Managment
1 Biomedical Engineering
1 Civil Engineering
1 Industrial Engineering
2 Science, Technology, and Culture
1 Graduate program for International Affairs

I searched UGA’s website to compare majors and much to my surprise they were not listed. Instead they listed their favorite foods and music. So, if any mutts out there care to find out it would fit nicely into the discussion.

ugablows

May 8th, 2009
2:41 pm

just for the record, O’Leary (nor anyone else at GT) fixed anyone’s transcripts to keep them eligable…..but nice try doggie

Huh?

May 8th, 2009
2:46 pm

“I searched UGA’s website to compare majors and much to my surprise they were not listed.”

That is indeed very surprising. I just searched georgiadogs.com and it took me all of about 2 seconds to find the football roster and each players’ major. And I don’t even have an engineering degree. Go figure? Here ya go Captain Clueless:

http://www.georgiadogs.com/SportSelect.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=8800&SPID=3571&SPSID=40675

Here’s the problem Tech fans: You have ZERO credibility. We simply do not believe anything you say. You lie and make things up about all this academic stuff. I’d estimate that 70-80% of what you say about this topic is complete and utter cow dung. Why do I think this? Because I have never in my life seen a fanbase more obsessed with its image than Georgia Tech fans. Its very narcissistic and narcissists cannot be trusted. They will say and do anything to promote themselves. The truth isn’t important. Making others believe it is all that’s important. That’s Tech fans and their little high and mighty academic routine in a nutshell. Thanks.

Mr. Grinch

May 8th, 2009
2:52 pm

To ugablows

Is your name indicative of a “hidden” talent you possess?

Congratulations, though, you are awarded the “lame post of the day” award and will automatically be entered into the “lame post of the week” contest. Sure, no one at georgia tech – coaches, administration, etc – had anything to do with the transcripts. LOL!! So why did the NCAA lay it on you if nothing happened?

GoodWord

May 8th, 2009
3:00 pm

Huh?, I too found the majors of the football players. Congrats, you are not a retard! The discussion is about BASKETBALL dumbarse! Search again, buddy. This time think BASKETBALL!! And you want to talk about credibility, HAHA. If you find it, please supply the link. Really that is all that I was asking for. I just would like to compare. I think it would be interesting is all.

RAMBLE ON!!!

May 8th, 2009
3:08 pm

GoodWord

May 8th, 2009
3:10 pm

Also, how am I saying and doing anything to promote GT? I simply wrote facts.

Mr. Grinch

May 8th, 2009
3:13 pm

To GoodWord

How many of the “engineering” majors actually STARTED (or even played significantly) for the yellow jackets?

gte268p

May 8th, 2009
3:18 pm

O’leary was sleazy with that resume fiasco, and in some other ways too, but he never fixed transcripts that anyone knows of, and I don’t believe he ever would. But if I recall correctly, the whole issue with ineligible players came about because of the extremely complicated and mandatory switch from the quarter system to the semester system which the Board of Regents made us do. Should it have been handled better? Yes. Should it have been necessary? No way! Quarter systems work so much better for engineering schools. The NCAA definitely was harsh on us for this, but we persevered and had winning seasons anyway.

GoodWord

May 8th, 2009
3:24 pm

Mr. Grinch, I am not one to make things up (regardless of what HUH? thinks). So to answer your questions, ONE. Yep, that’s right only Nick Foreman played a significant role.

GoodWord

May 8th, 2009
3:27 pm

Nick Foreman was the Biomedical Engineering major.

Mr. Grinch

May 8th, 2009
3:31 pm

Good for Nick Foreman. He is TRULY a student-athlete.

Mr. Grinch

May 8th, 2009
3:35 pm

By the way, what the hell is “Science, Technology, and Culture”? Culture??

Andrew

May 8th, 2009
3:37 pm

GoodWord

May 8th, 2009
3:48 pm

True Andrew, but basketball isn’t just about scoring points. Nick Foreman is our best defender. Way to skew facts your way, bud. You are just doing what HUH? is accusing us Tech fans of doing. Total BS, man. Nick only played because of his defense.

Andrew

May 8th, 2009
3:50 pm

I’m a UGA alum and fan. I grew up rooting for Tech until I went to college. I completely switched once I went to college. Here are some of my observations.

Tech fans: You have a great and tough academic institution. You do engineering, that’s your strength. People who graduate with management degrees from tech aren’t allowed to talk trash. A majority of your important players for your basketball and football teams are not engineers, so don’t belittle our players for having easy majors, yours do as well. UGA is a great school, don’t ignore the facts. We don’t do engineering. I get that engineering is a tough area. We do business and such, and we do a great job.

Your football team beat us this year. Congrats. It wasnt a butt whipping. Your defense was terrible as well, so don’t act like ours was 10 times worse. We beat you 7 out of 8. and im not sure of the exact number but its around 14 of 18. Have some common sense and control yourselves. Beat us a couple of times in a row and then go nuts, you will deserve it, if that happens. But you can’t really believe that the balance of power just shifted because of one win? It’s just lunacy.

Andrew

May 8th, 2009
3:52 pm

I wasn’t aware of Nick only playing defense. I apologize. But a defense specialist for a terrible team? That’s not a great accomplishment. And I realize that you beat us, so save yourself that argument. You guys were terrible and we were even more terrible.