Evaluating all of Georgia State’s signees going back to 2009

As part of a story that will come out later this week on how Georgia State can turn around its fortunes, I compiled this list of all the high school players who signed with Georgia State (list doesn’t include transfers or walk-ons and includes all signees, regardless of scholarship allotment).

As you can see, of the 67 players, there are very few — less than a handful, actually — who are still with the team that can be considered impact: Albert Wilson, Grant King, Ulrick John and Terrance Woodard. There are several transfer players who are making an impact, but the story (and the chart) is focused on finding and developing high school talent.

Everyone has different definitions of impact players. I chose to ask myself if I could see this player starting on another team. If the answer was yes, I considered them to be an impact player. Some players, like  Mark Hogan, Danny Williams or Jordan Giles, I considered to be steady, productive starters but not consistent impact players, at least not yet (mostly because of injuries). This chart is based on production, not potential and isn’t meant to denigrate. It’s simply an evaluation of what’s happened and illustrates part of the reason why the team is struggling: it’s having a hard time either finding enough talent, or it’s having a hard time developing enough talent. Or it’s very unlucky.

The good news for Georgia State is there are a lot of players in the Class of 2012 that are showing a lot of potential. It’s too early to say if any of them are impact players.

Class of 2012 (17)

Name/Rivals ranking, if any/Comment

Jah-Mai Davidson/Defensive lineman is redshirting this year.

Treavor Flannigan/Offensive lineman is redshirting this year. Shows potential.

Garrett Gorringe/Offensive lineman is redshirting this year. Shows potential.

Chris Jenkins/Athlete is redshirting this year.

Melvin King/Back-up defensive end. Shows potential.

Joe Lockley/Back-up defensive tackle. Strongest player on team. Shows potential.

Myles Morris/Cornerback is redshirting this year.

Joseph Peterson/Starting at inside linebacker.

Mark Ruskell/Offensive lineman is redshirting this year.

Nathan Schuster/Redshirting this year. Knee injury.

Tanner Strickland/Defensive end is redshirting this year.

Avery Sweeting/Back-up wide receiver and playing special teams. Second-fastest player on team.

Aaron Thomas/Didn’t enroll.

Kyle Vorster/Playing on special teams; back-up at outside linebacker.

Mark Weidenaar/No longer on team.

Bryan Williams/2 stars/Has become a starter at outside linebacker.

LaDarion Young/ 2 stars/Safety is redshirting this year.

Class of 2011 (6)

Name/Rivals ranking, if any/Comment

Christian Benvenuto/2 stars/On-again, off-again performer. Mostly solid when he hasn’t been suspended or disciplined.

McLain Head/Redshirted last year. Suffered a concussion in the preseason that has sidelined him.

Nick Henderson/2 stars/SSuffered a torn ACL in the spring; out for season

David Huey/Started at defensive tackle before suffering a season-ending injury

Ben McLane/Won starting QB job in spring; has struggled as a starter this year.

Roderick Thompson/No longer on team.

Class of 2010 (18)

Name/Rivals ranking, if any/Comment

Patrick Baker/No longer on team.

Aaron Gambrah/No longer on team.

Alex Findura/No longer on team.

Blake James/Concussion forced him to leave team.

Ulrick John/Full-time starter at offensive tackle this year. Has played all along the line previous years.

Isaiah Howard/Promising cornerback but needs to develop consistency.

Justin Hughes/2 stars/No longer on team.

Sherrod Loud/Never enrolled.

Demarius Matthews/3 stars/Developing as a cornerback. Broke up nine passes last year; has one this year.

Cole Moon/3 stars/Has yet to find a position.

Eric Odonkor/No longer on team.

Drew Pearson/Two catches this year.

Jamal Ransby/Three interceptions in previous two seasons. Ten tackles this year.

Jarrell Robinson/2 stars/Seeing more playing time at inside linebacker.

C.J. Stephens/Starting at defensive end this year. Has 16 tackles.

Albert Wilson/Arguably team’s best player. Has more than 1,500 receiving yards with 13 touchdowns.

Terrance Woodard/Arguably team’s best defensive player.

Tim Wynn/3 stars/Shows potential on offensive line.

Class of 2009 (26)

Name/Rivals ranking, if any/Comment

Nate Anthony/2 stars/Back-up player that has switched between offense and defense.

Fred Barnes/2 stars/No longer on team.

Tyler Blackwell/2 stars/Didn’t enroll.

Sam Burkhalter/2 stars/No longer on team. Suffered a career-ending injury

Harrison Clottey/2 stars/Starting on offensive line this year. Back-up previous two years.

Eduardo Curry/2 stars/No longer on team.

Ramell Davis/2 stars/Back-up offensive lineman.

Travis Evans/2 stars/Back-up running back.

Robert Ferguson/2 stars/Part-time starter at linebacker.

Jordan Giles/2 stars/Solid as a No. 3 wide receiver. Dealing with injuries this year.

Kelton Hill/2 stars/Started at quarterback, now playing wide receiver.

Mark Hogan/2 stars/Mostly a starter at inside linebacker each of the past three seasons.

Darris Hughes/2 stars/No longer on team.

Grant King/2 stars/Has started every game on the offensive line since he enrolled.

Parris Lee/3 stars/Back-up player at running back.

Drew Little/2 stars/Started 11 games at QB in 2010 before being suspended. No longer on team.

Darren McCray/2 stars/Back-up player at wide receiver.

Allen McKay/2 stars/A back-up player on defense.

K.J. Morton/2 stars/Didn’t qualify. Now at  Baylor.

Justin Orr/2 stars/No longer on the team.

Bo Schlechter/2 stars/No longer on the team after proving valuable as a punter, back-up quarterback, and spot starter at quartrback.

Demetreious Shorter/2 stars/No longer on the team.

Parker Stevens/2 stars/No longer on the team.

Danny Williams/2 stars/84 catches in 2010 and ’11. Dealing with injuries this year.

Karl Williams/2 stars/No longer on the team.

Blake Wyatt/2 stars/A back-up player on defense.

Note: I’m not sure why  every player in this class received at least two stars when few players in subsequent classes did. It strikes me as odd.

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– Doug Roberson, AJC. Please follow me on twitter @ajcgsu

43 comments Add your comment

Panama

October 9th, 2012
2:53 pm

Excellent work!

How many TV sets do these guys have running in their homes? With their media market and all, that would seem to be the more pressing concern.

October 9th, 2012
2:56 pm

<———————————————————- Chart this.

GStateBen

October 9th, 2012
2:58 pm

Good stuff Doug. These are just the HS recruits though. JUCO signees have been impact players in the last two seasons like D’Mario Gunn, Demazio Skelton, Christo Bilukidi, Jake Muasau and Ladeven Kirkland.

Doug Roberson

October 9th, 2012
3:11 pm

I noted in the the blog that the chart doesn’t include those “transfer” players, and that some of them have been impact players. Again, the story is focused on finding and developing high school talent, which traditionally take up most of the roster and the starting spots.

Panama

October 9th, 2012
3:19 pm

That 2009 was insane for an FCS program ; full of 2 star and 3 star players. Doug is that % of attrition normal? That is the real question.

Doug Roberson

October 9th, 2012
3:20 pm

I have no idea on that, Panama. And really not enough time to figure it out. It’s a lot, that’s for sure.

hammer22

October 9th, 2012
3:21 pm

Good work Dough. Enjoyed reading the research.

Steve Nash's Pick and Roll

October 9th, 2012
3:22 pm

Well, when you have Reverend Curry trying to run a Sunday school instead of a football team you are bound to have high attrition.

GSU_MEX_ALUM

October 9th, 2012
3:42 pm

I appreciate you putting this together!

RidgeRunner

October 9th, 2012
3:53 pm

Thanks for the analysis.

GSU_MEX_ALUM

October 9th, 2012
3:58 pm

So, basically our coaching staff failed to develop our players OR they suck at evaluating talent for FCS football.

Astonishing Werepanther

October 9th, 2012
4:00 pm

Nice work on this.

And seriously, looking at that 2009 class…what the heck happened? Is it possible that Rivals used to give every recruit at least two stars and have since dropped that practice?

Doug Roberson

October 9th, 2012
4:02 pm

No idea, werepanther. It almost seems like some sort of data-entry mistake. Some of them were good players, but it seems unlikely that all of them were 2-stars

GSU freshman

October 9th, 2012
4:19 pm

It does not matter if we have 2 or 3 stars, we still eery games this year.

Panama

October 9th, 2012
4:29 pm

Hypothetically speaking…You and your staff start recruiting in Year One and recruits get excited because you have new car smell and you sign a monster class. At that point is purely based upon the sales job you gave these kids. “We’re going to have offense A and Defensive scheme B.” Then in Year One goes by and you have no discernible offensive scheme and your defense is a sieve. So Year Two you go with the same sales job except QB, WR and RB recruits have film on you now. Now they know they are being snowed. Remember, my goal as 2 star and above is to play at the next level which I cannot do if your offensive/defensive scheme does not allow me to flourish….hypothetically speaking of course

Gameday Preview ------------>

October 9th, 2012
4:49 pm

No brainer win for Georgia State this weekend. Rhode Island University, whose campus is located in a “village” called Kingston, is served by the greater Providence-New Bedford TV market. Latest arbitron analysis rank them – you ready for this? – FIFTY-SECOND largest market in the country. Yeah, FIVE, TWO. No match for the eighth largest market right here in our own backyard. Rams goin down, sucka. Bunch of losers and your small little TV affiliates with your small population outliers.

http://www.stationindex.com/tv/markets/Providence-New+Bedford

Go Panthers!!

October 9th, 2012
4:57 pm

Recruiting is important, but highly overrated.

A good coach can beat you with his players, then turn around and beat you again with yours.

Bill Curry is not the aforementioned coach.

Obsession ------------->

October 9th, 2012
5:03 pm

The official cologne of Gag Southern

Hey Scout. Funny, huh?

October 9th, 2012
5:04 pm

Easy answer to our problems. Just look at the Falcons, for example. Up four points, 23 to 19 over last years ratings in metro Atlanta households. 23-19 is a big win. Now alls we have to do is convince people that the Falcons play on Sat at 2pm. Fake graphics to add 20K to bring the look up to 22K. Bing, bang, boom.

BravesFan79

October 9th, 2012
5:44 pm

Wow… all those scholarships that could be going to Real students with smarts … what a waste!

Keeping it real

October 9th, 2012
5:46 pm

This isnt NCAA basketball, Ga State cant win their conference and get to a national title game by being one of 64 teams in the tourney. So if your playing a sport where u basically have 0 % chance at ever winning a national title… whats the point?

RoyKittles

October 9th, 2012
5:50 pm

Well this explains a lot

RoyKittles

October 9th, 2012
5:55 pm

Well that explains a lot. With that many players booted for discipline, injury or just not enrolling into the school. This would set any program back a few notches.

Panthers

October 9th, 2012
6:07 pm

Great work Doug that tells a completely different story on our future success

Maddog

October 9th, 2012
6:16 pm

This is the only game State has a chance at winning. BUT, with all the crap going on internally and with constant changes in lineups I see another loss albeit a close one. Following recruiting classes back when I don’t remember all those kids receiving 2 stars. I believe State only had a few 2 stars at any one class.

Doug Roberson

October 9th, 2012
6:32 pm

Here’s that url with all of the two-stars listed…..

Doug Roberson

October 9th, 2012
6:33 pm

GSU Men's BB Fan

October 9th, 2012
7:23 pm

I think Panama hit the nail on the head.

I like Bill Curry, but...

October 9th, 2012
7:23 pm

The attrition in that list is SHOCKING. The question that needs to be asked is what kind of kids have these guys been recruiting? Let’s take Nick Saban for instance…I’ve seen him discuss recruiting about 10 times in interviews and at conferences. He always says the same thing. He and his staff look for three things in this order: 1) Football intelligence (i.e., do you know how to play the game the right way), 2) Mental and psychological resilience (i.e., can you handle adversity), and finally 3) Athletic ability. I think too many coaches get it exactly the other way around–which we OBVIOUSLY have–which is totally wrong. We have lots of guys who have talent. We’ve got fast guys, big guys, strong guys…all of it. What we DO NOT have is a group of guys who can handle adversity and preserve to victory. The question really is, where does this begin? Well, I’ll tell you…at the top. This is all Bill Curry’s fault. Bless him for starting the program and dealing with the growing pains, but this is getting out of growing pains and in the the stunted growth region.

Reeping it Keal

October 9th, 2012
8:07 pm

@Keeping it Real, What’s the point of your existence?

Joe d

October 9th, 2012
9:22 pm

Mr, Doug Robertson,
Please tell me the names and if possible their email addresses of the recruiting coordinator and offensive line coach. My son is currently an O lineman (6′4″ 285 lbs) at Grambling State, but was recruited and offered by Tech in high school. He chose Grambling because of Doug Williams and his pro style passing scheme.
He hates the area and wants to play at home. His high school GPA was 3.4 and SAT 1050. State needs players and he wants to help build the program.
Thanks!

Double Standard

October 9th, 2012
9:26 pm

I was surprised to learn how the partial scholarship game works. Someone that is more concerned about graduating than being an “impact” player has no good reason to put everything they have into a program. They can get financial aid and locate a part time job and have more time to study with less time obligations. Most of the other guys on “full” college scholarships seldom graduate because of their pre occupation with trying to perform well enough to “go pro”. The millions of $$$$ given to bowl eligible teams has transformed the college football landscape into a feeder system for the pros and an a major entertainment venue for a drunken fan base.

where's the other stat?

October 9th, 2012
9:40 pm

You know, the one that says how many of those were “sec caliber” recruits that the mighty media market known as gag state pulled away from sec power houses. that list of drop outs and misfits is as laughable as the record. hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahaahahahahahahhaahahahahahahah

Lance

October 9th, 2012
10:25 pm

Sam Burkhalter….what a joke! Got a spot on the team cause his slim-ball daddy pulled strings for Georgia State. Wonder has Sam’s step-sibling is doing?

GaDawg

October 10th, 2012
8:02 am

“No longer on team” appears to be a standard.

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DownTownATL

October 10th, 2012
8:12 am

so we replaced the 2 star QB with a 0 star QB? They say God works in mysterious ways, but even He doesn’t know what John Bond is doing.

shocked

October 10th, 2012
9:19 am

Doug,

I am certainly not an expert on this but with that many “no longer on the team” when will the APR take a hit and reduce the scholarships allowed

Trolling is getting easier and easier.....

October 10th, 2012
9:36 am

with no coaching staff in place and an 0fer season…..wonder what sort of 2 and 3 star commits gag state is getting now. hahahahahahahhahhahahahahahaahaha.

Doug Roberson

October 10th, 2012
10:02 am

Shocked: Much depends upon the player’s academic standing when they left the team and why they left the team.

Here’s more: http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/NCAA/Resources/Behind+the+Blue+Disk/Behind+the+Blue+Disk+-+Division+I+Academic+Progress+Rate+%28APR%29

GaStateBen

October 10th, 2012
11:54 am

@Shocked – depends if they left in good academic standing or not.

Chicken Bone

October 10th, 2012
7:45 pm

Panama you are spot on with your analysis! I cannot wait for a new offensive strategy and it’s pretty obvious the players are ready too! We have wasted a damn good running back the last two years. What a shame!

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