Georgia State-JSU preview, including Star Jackson

Greetings, all-

Hope you’re well. A few tidbits.

1. I think you’ll see Georgia State give a much better account of itself Saturday. I’m not saying the Panthers are going to, you know, burn out the scoreboard, but you should get a much better indication of what the team can do. After a bad week of practice led to the loss to Lambuth, the focus has been higher this week. Wide receivers coach/assistant head coach George Pugh said players have paid more attention to detail this week than they have since the team opened camp at the beginning of August.

“You’ve got a choice (after a loss),” he said. “Either you can get better or you can just wallow in it and never overcome it. But I think we’ve got some good kids and that we’ll bounce back.”

2. Wrinkles. You will likely see some new stuff offensively on Saturday that you haven’t seen in the first two games. The rumors are true: Georgia State is going to the Wing-T. Heh, heh. Just a little formation humor for you.

Actually, though, just from being at practice for awhile Tuesday and Thursday, it looked like they were working on a few plays I hadn’t seen before, which Bill Curry acknowledged.

It’s one thing I appreciate about him. He could have talked his way around it or just said, “No, we’ve been doing this all year” or some other half-truth, but didn’t.

“Yes, we have some new things,” he said. “To play a team like this and not try to exploit some of the things you see (on film) is foolish.”

3. Cue up “Hoosiers.” I think Curry is working the David-Goliath angle with his players this week. He mentioned that Jacksonville State has been playing since 1904 and has played 881 games in school history, whereas Georgia State has played two. A few minutes before, Pugh had mentioned something similar. Something tells me they didn’t do the math separately, so I imagine it’s been shared with the team.

4. Your Star Jackson update. I asked Curry if Jackson looked “ready” to play. He said, “Star is better each week, that’s all I can say. ‘Ready’ is a very different term from improving every week.”

That could mean he’s not ready or it could mean Curry intends to play him, but doesn’t want to reveal his hand. I’m not sure. I tend to think it’s the former. I guess we’ll find out Saturday. (You could reasonably point out that two items above I mentioned that I appreciated Curry’s honesty and ask what the difference is in this case. I went down this road with him before the season and he wouldn’t, for reasons of competitive advantage, confirm that Drew Little would start against Shorter even though it was pretty obvious he was getting the most practice time. So, I guess maybe it’s one thing to say you have “new things” and another to say which quarterback will play. All that said, it’s just reading tea leaves.)

It bears mention that offensive coordinator John Bond said earlier in the week he expected Jackson to play. (Along with Kelton Hill and Little, who will start.)

5. A quick thought on Kennesaw State. It certainly appears that they’ve started the train to start football in 2014. Like Georgia State, it’s anybody’s guess how popular the team will be. One thing that could make a difference is, to follow the thread of the last blog, what conference KSU joins. They’re in the Atlantic Sun, which doesn’t have football, so maybe they’d move to the Southern Conference or Ohio Valley Conference or Colonial Athletic Association.

I tend to agree with the reasoning that being in the Southern would be a good move because the other members are more local and would probably help with attendance and building up rivalries.

But, as I was telling a reader in an e-mail, one thing that might help both KSU and GSU would be to set up a three-way round-robin with Georgia Southern and have some sort of trophy for the winner, kind of like the Army, Navy and Air Force have. (Academy graduates, let’s get this out of the way. I’m not saying the Commander-in-Chief’s Trophy is the same thing as the Peach Basket or whatever they’d call it. I’m just talking about the format.)

But we’re a long way from that happening. They’ve first got to deal with some displeased regents, who weren’t keen on the fact that they didn’t know that the school was announcing the recommendation of the football exploratory committee – and basically committing to football – without being apprised of it and having a chance to discuss it with the school.

6. Joe Hamilton. Had a couple interesting interviews with the Tech great, who is interning for GSU in recruiting. He’s been working for the team since the summer. He talked about his DUI arrest in 2008 that led to his resignation from a job with the Tech staff, his aspirations and what he’s doing for GSU, which includes a lot of menial stuff like getting transcripts for recruits.

Said Hamilton, “I want to do it from the ground up, do it like everybody else does it so nobody can say they gave Joe. Hamilton anything because I knew somebody or knew this person that I was able to get into this position. I want to work my way from the bottom.”

(Edit) The story will probably be out next week. (I’d written previously here it’d be up online Friday, but it’s been held.)

49 comments Add your comment

GSU Mens BB Fan

September 16th, 2010
4:31 pm

GSU Mens BB Fan

September 16th, 2010
4:42 pm

Ken,

I really believe the Big South is where KSU will play.

Panther Prowler!

September 16th, 2010
4:54 pm

Thanks for all the blogs, Ken. If there’s any matchup where Star should get some minutes, besides the Bama game, it’s this one against Jax State. Plus, we really need to get the momentum back before our first road game EVER next week. GO PANTHERS!!

GStateBen

September 16th, 2010
4:58 pm

As I maintain, good for KSU (that’s Kennesaw State, Coach Dooley!) and their fan base. They’ve made a hurried rush to get up to Division I in the rest of their athletics and found the A-Sun as their only taker. It will help to have football but as it relates to Georgia State, they’ll be fighting to serve as FIU/FAU to our South Florida.

KSU has only been around since the 1960s so they don’t have a deep alumni base to pool resources. Having Vince Dooley stomp for them helps but their reaction was quite different than Georgia State’s. I’ll be interested to see what their students think about the fee increase. KSU also has only 40,000 alumni nationwide. Georgia State has more than 180,000.

Not necessarily playing with the same deck of cards. Again, good luck to them.

Midtown Joe

September 16th, 2010
5:12 pm

After two games, Georgia State is already on the level with South Florida. Wow! Poor Kennesaw State can never hold a candle to Georgia State. Where are those 180,000 alumni when basketball season roll around? Where were they against powerhouse Lambuth last week? Probably going to be just as many Jax State fans than Georgia State fans Saturday. That strong alumni base really supports those Georgia State athletics for years?
Maybe KSU will take a realistic approach and fine there right niche in the football world and be comfortable. Or they can have that fairy tale dream and think they are ready to compete against the big boys.
Heard Lambuth begged up enough money to pay the phone bill and called Georgia State to cancel on next year. They would rather play a real football team. HA HA HA

drzlstrangelovejr

September 16th, 2010
5:29 pm

Bottom is right.

Panther08

September 16th, 2010
5:40 pm

Okay fellow panthers….I am tired of everyone trying to make a rivalry with Georgia Southern or newly with Kennesaw State for that matter. If our goal is to compete in the FBS….WE NEED TO CREATE RIVALRIES WITH GA Tech or UGA….possibly making it a 3 way rivalry…Lets aim HIGH not LOW (a.k.a GA Southern).

itsmeagain

September 16th, 2010
5:46 pm

@ Panther08, we need to compete with them before we can have a rivalry with them. Lets get through this and the next season and see where we’re at. I think in a couple of seasons we’ll easily compete with Southern, but lets not get over the top when it comes to UGA or Tech

Midtown Joe

September 16th, 2010
5:56 pm

Why do GSU fans automatically assume that they are ready to play FBS football after two games? Heck, beat a Lambuth first. When I was in school at GSU they always thought they were better than Georgia Southern from the fact that it was located in downtown ATL and Southern was in smalltown Statesboro. Southern use to kick our A$$ in every sport, and they still do. Georgia Southern just give a very respectable, bowl-bound Navy team all it could handle. Lambuth, which barely keeps its lights on in smalltown Jackson, TN, beat Georgia State at its beautiful, bigtime stadium. KEEP DREAMING GSU! KEEP DREAMING!

itsmeagain

September 16th, 2010
6:10 pm

I don’t think anybody at GSU assumes that we’re ready to play FBS teams yet. Infact anyone starting a football program in their first year would be insane to believe that they could even consider being on that level even after 3 or 4 years of playing. However, using the Lambuth loss as an indicator to say “State is never gonna be a decent team” is just as ridiculous. It was the second game and the first loss. Only after those 3 or 4 seasons will we get a feel for how the team is competitively. I do believe all the other ingredients are in place though, having a huge stadium, and the potential to have a really decent turn out to each game. If we had 12000 official attendance at the Lambuth game (and i hope/pray that that is one of the lowest of the season), i think we’re in good shape regarding FBS requirements.
Eitherway

As tired as you might be of people being way over the top about States potential, i’m just as tired of people assuming that two games is enough to say where the school will be 5 to 10 years down the road.

SKB

September 16th, 2010
6:11 pm

With it’s location, stadium, and large alumni class, GaState will be bigger than GaTech in a couple of years, mark my words. It will be THE college football team of Atlanta.

Panther Prowler!

September 16th, 2010
6:19 pm

The current enrollment is already #1 in Atlanta and #2 in the State. Having girls on campus certainly helps.

Ken Sugiura

September 16th, 2010
6:21 pm

Duly noted – by 2012, Georgia State will be bigger than Georgia Tech.

I have to say I admire the optimism among posters.

Midtown Joe

September 16th, 2010
6:28 pm

Never said that they weren’t going to be decent. I think decent is what they will be now and in the long run (5-10 years). When I looked at the GSU schedule, I said they could go 6-5 or 7-4, and Lambuth was one of those wins. I just these GSU fans will give the season a few more game before this “we will build a rivalry with UGA and Tech”. Look at Georgia Southern record during their building process and NEVER loss to a BAD team. Within four years they won the I-AA championship. If GSU can duplicate that success it would bring more confidence. When you have a 67-year-old coach that has a losing career record, hasn’t been a winner, it sorts of leaves some doubts. Curry, is nice, gentlemen, with a lot of class, but his record is pathetic. Nothing about his past gives hope for the future. Twenty two games under .500 and one bowl at Tech and one at Kentucky. If it wasn’t for the three years in Alabama, he would be 38 games under .500. And hey, even Mike Shula had a winning record and three bowls at Alabama.

itsmeagain

September 16th, 2010
7:00 pm

@Midtown Joe. I think we both have the same ideas about the team, just i look at it in a more optimistic way and you look at it in a more pessimistic way. Forgive me for my optimism, i’m one of those few State students who could have gone to UGA or Tech but State was my first choice, and this was 5 years ago (I used to live at the Village before we handed it over to tech!!!). I’m still an undergrad here (Bio degrees take a while…) but i’ve never considered transferring.

Finally we have a football program, something which i could never have imagined when i first came here and it makes me excited as hell to finally have that complete college experience. But i sincerely believe that State has things to be optimistic about, and while we might be 1-1 right now, we could win only 2 or 3 more games this season and i’d still remain optimistic because, while we have a long way to go, i believe it’s only going to get better and better. I don’t think that there is too much we can compare the team to being that not many school create a new football team in a city as large as this in a region as football-crazy as this. While Coach Curry might not have the greatest record, he’s here to lay the groundwork for what could become an incredible team. That doesn’t necessarily mean he’ll be the one coaching when we achieve that dream, but his work will be a huge influence in whatever the team does from now on, even if he quits tomorrow.

jtaylor27

September 16th, 2010
7:25 pm

Any discussion of FBS or rivalries with UGA and Tech are premature–to the very, very least. As a few other posters have mentioned, let’s first deal with these two seasons to establish the program. Then we should concentrate our efforts on joining the SEC of FCS. The CAA is a total beast of a football conference. If we can make it in that conference I can assure you that deep playoff runs are in order. The fact is, however, that we have to make it in the conference first. We should have a leg up on that given the deep recruiting pool here in Atlanta and Georgia more generally. Seriously, we need to stop this GSU-KSU business. Anything with KSU should be years down the road. Sure, we should play their first or second year, but that is a while from now and it won’t be a real rivalry until we both establish ourselves more solidly.

Midtown Joe

September 16th, 2010
7:33 pm

itsmeagain: I think it will take optimistic young guys like you to keep this going. I wouldn’t call it “pessimistic way” but being a little realistic after looking at total picture. I guess what gets me is all this FBS and UGA and Tech rivalry talk. Let’s get through a first season and see how we fare in a very strong CAA before we start talk about winning the national BSC championship. GSU has enough scholarship, coaching, FBC transfers and resources not to have a Lambuth even being on the field after halftime. Maybe my position will change with a win over Jax State.
I’ve seen it before and wonder if the losing comes, will people stick with it. Past history says no and that is all we can go on.
Stay strong, and go PANTHERS!

Midtown Joe

September 16th, 2010
7:38 pm

jtaylor27: I agree. CAA is a monster of a conference and throw in the fact that most are in the Northeast. How will our Dome team fare in 30 degree fall weather or even the snow? If GSU can remain respectable, they will continue to get money games against the Alabamas, Floridas and other FBS schools. Until then, they are first year program trying to make it on the FCS level.

English

September 16th, 2010
7:49 pm

I don’t know how GSU will fair in the Northeast climate conditions but being a GSU living in New England I can’t wait to find out. GSU Blue will look good in any weather climate if you ask me.

GSU Mens BB Fan

September 16th, 2010
7:54 pm

@Ken…what do you mean by 2012 Georgia State will be bigger than Georgia Tech?

Math

September 16th, 2010
8:12 pm

English: You are basing this on what? How good they look in those basketball games in the Northeast? As you sit on the lonely visitor side at one of those Northeast school stadium, don’t forget to dress in layers. It will be the same as in basketball. Another GSU defeat.

Answer: Lambuth and Auburn
Question: What two schools does Bill Curry hate to see on the schedule?

Ken Sugiura

September 16th, 2010
8:19 pm

GSU Mens BB Fan – I was marking SKB’s words, that in a couple years Georgia State will be bigger than Georgia Tech. I’ll go on the record as saying I don’t share that level of optimism.
By the way, the Joe Hamilton story is going to have to wait. I decided it needed a little more time to work on. So, that’s why you won’t see it Friday or Saturday.

Marcus

September 16th, 2010
8:27 pm

@ Ken Sugiura
As an alum of a MEAC school and fellow FCS team, I have been watching GA State, Old Dominion, UNC-Charlotte, and now Kennesaw State launch new programs starting at the FCS level. I am interested to see how things play out, esp. with the latter two schools.
One consideration (might have been mentioned here, I didn’t feel like reading all 3 pages of commentary) is if the Big South (a football-sponsoring conf. for about 10 years) is of interest to Kennesaw State and UNC-Charlotte. It provides a decent regional competition, and with the DCS playoff expansion to 20 teams (starting in 2010) the Big South now has an automatic bid for its champion.
That might be the best path, as the Southern Conf may be too much for new teams to jump right in and the CAA will already have 12 football teams when GA State and Old Dominion become eligible and isn’t the most geographically friendly, with its other closest/southern-most teams being in VA.

GSU Mens BB Fan

September 16th, 2010
8:43 pm

@Ken…I see what was going on there now.

ryan

September 16th, 2010
8:47 pm

I say this as a fan of State, but it’s laughable to suggest we’ll be bigger than Tech within the next 10 years.

Math

September 16th, 2010
8:55 pm

Is the Internet still not up and running in East Alabama? Where are the Jacksonville State fans?

Ken Sugiura

September 16th, 2010
8:59 pm

@Marcus- the big south certainly seems like a good possibility. seven teams for football, all of which are in the carolinas and virginia except for stoney brook, which is a remarkably odd fit. certainly seems more of a possibility for charlotte than kennesaw state. for what it’s worth, when i asked vince dooley about conferences, i threw out the caa and southern, and he said those would be two possibilities and he volunteered the ohio valley conference, which leads me to think that might be a leading contender.

Lambuth Sucks

September 16th, 2010
8:59 pm

Ryan: Ten years? No way, next year we are better than Tech. Joshua “I Can’t Pass” Nesbitt will be gone. Selling used cars in Greensboro, GA. Drew “Can I Have Another Donut” Little for Heisman. In Bill “84-106″ Curry we trust.

Directions

September 16th, 2010
9:06 pm

@Ken: The OVC would be a good fit Kennesaw State. I would like to see them in it. They play a good brand of football and basketball.
I would suggest Georgia State in the OVC but they are better than that. They have more natural rivals in the CAA. There is no way at GSU vs. Tennessee Tech match up is more appealing than a GSU vs. Northeastern.

Directions

September 16th, 2010
9:10 pm

Substitute Northeastern for New Hampshire. NE dropped football. That’s a shame. Jim Calhoun was a heck of a coach at NE before going to UConn.

Lambuth Sucks

September 16th, 2010
9:59 pm

The power is off up here at Lambuth, and we are sitting the dark. That check that GSU gave us bounced. Sore losers!!!!!

GSU Panther Fan

September 16th, 2010
10:01 pm

Can someone please explain to Midtown Joe that GSU gave Southern an absolute beating on the basketball court this year, so the whole “Southern is still beating us in sports” thing is a little antiquated. GSU made that Southern basketball team look like a JV squad. I suspect in a couple of years, football will be no different. Midtown Joe might know all this if he actually showed up for a game or two.

Lambuth Sucks

September 16th, 2010
10:13 pm

GSU Panther Fan: But you didn’t beat us. And on top of that your AD put a stop payment on the check and they have cut our power and water off. SORE LOSERS!!!

Midtown Joe

September 16th, 2010
10:18 pm

GSU Panther Fan: I stand corrected we did beat a pathetic Georgia Southern team that was 9-23. Heck, we even beat Carver Bible College and Utah Valley. Forget the CAA, Ms. Levick let’s apply for membership in the ACC. That Rob Barnes is a mastermind.

panama

September 16th, 2010
11:36 pm

Hate to say it but we are national research university and as such we need to be developing rivalries with like sized universities. Enough with the KSU and UGS talk.

panama

September 16th, 2010
11:37 pm

5150 P.O.A.D

September 16th, 2010
11:43 pm

Gstate ben If KSU has 2000 students graduate since 1960, then that would be 100,000 alumni or is my math as bad as a UGA fan! 50 years @ 2000/yr estimate is more than your weak math.

5150 P.O.A.D

September 16th, 2010
11:46 pm

Ga State will always be like NYU. Ride the trian and get a degree.

Lambuth Sucks

September 17th, 2010
12:25 am

Panama: Lambuth spent all its money on research, and that’s why we are broke. Save your money and get some players and coach. ((((23-14))))) Ron Dickerson is a legend.

Jax State FAN

September 17th, 2010
12:27 am

You can take some of that research money and watch us kick your you-know-what on Saturday in the Dome. And you being a research university and football has to do with what?

Lambuth Sucks

September 17th, 2010
12:40 am

Panama: Thanks for the laugh. I go to http://www.panthertalk.com and start LMAO. These GSU people are on there talking about conference expansion and how GSU fits in to the Big East and Conference USA. They are saying that GSU is too good for the Sunbelt because Louisiana-Lafayette is a joke and GSU fans won’t get excited about a matchup with them.

GSU to Earth, GSU to Earth! You guys just played your second game in school history and LOST to broke-ass Lambuth. I can hear the commissioner of the Big East and Conference USA saying when Cheryl Levick make the call to them: “GSU who? Oh, yeah, Lambuth needs a 2012 homecoming opponent.”

Earth to GSU, come baaaaaack.

Lambuth Sucks

September 17th, 2010
12:50 am

Oh, yeah. So nut created an NCAA X-box with GSU as his team. I did the same thing with broke-ass Lambuth as my team, and we still kicked GSU butt. Check out http://www.panthertalk.com for a good laugh. This is free comedy.

Chris Hawkins

September 17th, 2010
12:55 am

Does any Georgia State player want to sell their game jersey. I’ll be at the Dome Saturday. Can always use one from this fine research university.

GSU Mens BB Fan

September 17th, 2010
6:19 am

@5150 POAD – You have to remember that for a long time KSU was a junior college, then became a college, and now is a University. So for a good bit of its history – while it was a junior college – people just took classes there and transferred elsewhere. And it wasn’t until it became a university that its student body was of any significant size – so it didn’t consistently graduate 2000 people a year until recently.

Georgia State graduates about 5000 people a year – so if you do the same math as you did that would say that Georgia State has graduated 250,000 students since 1950. Obviously, that is not the case because we only have living 150,000 alumni since the school was founded in 1913. The reason it is not the case is for very similar reasons stated above, as why KSU doesn’t have 100,000 alumni.

g-state.sooner

September 17th, 2010
10:37 am

Did someone just mention NYU is a place where you just ride the train and get a degree? Interesting…I didnt know a degree from NYU was just as valuable as a degree from the university of phoenix(on-campus). C’mon, son. NYU is one of the most prestigous Universities in the World. I’d ride that “train”, and get that “degree” anytime. Would you?

g-state.sooner

September 17th, 2010
10:45 am

I would be honored if one day GSU could be compared with the likes of NYU. With a football team of course.

egeagle

September 17th, 2010
11:24 am

I think the most annoying thing about these State folks is their total lack of knowledge about tradition and their rush to insult programs that have thrived and enjoyed great success over the years. If you are even able to get through the first ten years with a winning record and perhaps a playoff appearance or two, you can consider yourself successful. ut you sound totally clueless to hurl insults at Georgia Southern, Jax State, even the rest of the SoCon. Y’all seem to have a rotweiler mouth and a chihuahua a$$.
GSU Panthers (with apologies to Ogden Nash)
A panther is much like an eagle
Except that panthers aren’t regal
Listening to the panther staff
Makes an eagle have to laugh
Better yet, when insulted by a lowly panther
DON’T ANTHER!!!

Eagles are Endangered

September 17th, 2010
2:32 pm

Eagles are much like a Panther
Except that Eagles can’t smell
The Panther can sniff out your BS
that you’re all full of down in that cess
Your banter about hate and tradition
Leaves much to be desired on here
So go back down to Statesboro
and take with you your lisp and your fear!

ATL Observer

September 17th, 2010
3:31 pm

There are some GSU folks that need to cool their jets. Seriously.

A lot of them act like they’re somehow “above” the Jax States and GA Southerns of the world (as egeagle pointed out). All they see is that UCF went from I-AA to I-A in six years and they think “oh, well that will TOTALLY be us!” First of all, Jax State and GA Southern are very successful within their sphere and should be respected as such. Second of all, UCF *did* jump in six years but they also had a pre-existing history as Div. III….theirs was a truly methodical development.

I’m all for the idea that *one* day GSU will have a rivalry with Tech & UGA but stop pretending like that day is already here and that you’re “so over” GA Southern and so on. The CAA fields some pretty competitive teams so if your heads are up your you-know-whats, there might be some more humblings in the next little while.