Poll Talk: Archer, Cedartown crack Top 10

Archer, the 4-year-old Gwinnett County school that is off to its first 4-0 start, is ranked for the first time in The Atlanta-Journal Constitution’s high school football rankings.

Archer is coming off a 27-7 victory over Parkview after beating another Region 8-AAAAAA stalwart, Brookwood, the week before.  Archer, which opened in eastern Gwinnett in 2009, will play Dacula on Friday in a game for sole possession of the region lead.

Another team entering the rankings  is Cedartown, which clobbered defending Region 7-AAAA champion Ridgeland 36-14 last week. Cedartown’s Nick Chubb, who has committed to Georgia, rushed for 267 yards in the game, giving him a state-leading 999 yards unofficially in four games. Cedartown had not been ranked since 2003.

Also joining the rankings are Marist (AAAA), Woodward Academy (AAA), Fitzgerald (AA) and Johnson County (A). Out are Mill Creek (AAAAAA), Burke County and Westside-Macon (AAAA), Callaway (AAA), Vidalia (AA) and Pace Academy (A).

Games involving ranked teams this week include Valdosta at Camden County, Griffin at Stockbridge, Johnson County at Savannah Christian.

Class AAAAAA

1. (1) North Gwinnett (4-0)

2. (2) McEachern (4-0)

3. (3) Colquitt County (3-1)

4. (4) Lovejoy (3-1)

5. (7) Peachtree Ridge (4-0)

6. (6) Camden County (3-1)

7. (8) Valdosta (4-0)

8. (9) Hillgrove (3-0)

9. (NR) Archer (4-0)

10. (10) Coffee (4-0)

Class AAAAA

1. (1) Tucker (4-0)

2. (2) Stephenson (4-0)

3. (3) Northside-Warner Robins (3-0)

4. (4) Kell (4-0)

5. (5) Gainesville (3-1)

6. (6) Thomas County Central (4-1)

7. (7) Allatoona (4-0)

8. (8) Warner Robins (3-0)

9. (9) Ware County (2-1)

10. (10) Creekside (4-0)

Class AAAA

1. (1) Sandy Creek (2-0-1)

2. (2) Carrollton (3-0)

3. (3) Stockbridge (4-0)

4. (4) Monroe Area (3-0)

5. (5) Griffin (4-0)

6. (7) Wayne County (4-0)

7. (8) Mary Persons (4-0)

8. (9) Statesboro (4-0)

9. (NR) Cedartown (4-0)

10. (NR) Marist (2-2)

Class AAA

1. (1) Buford (3-0)

2. (3) Cartersville (4-0)

3. (4) Washington County (4-0)

4. (5) North Hall (3-0)

5. (6) Carver-Columbus (2-1)

6. (8) Jefferson County (4-0)

7. (9) Hart County (3-0)

8. (2) St. Pius (3-1)

9. (10) North Oconee (2-1)

10. (NR) Woodward Academy (3-1)

Class AA

1. (1) Lamar County (3-0)

2. (2) Lovett (4-0)

3. (3) Greater Atlanta Christian (4-0)

4. (4) Jefferson (2-1)

5. (5) Washington-Wilkes (4-0)

6. (6) Calhoun (3-1)

7. (9) Benedictine (4-0)

8. (8) Brooks County (3-1)

9. (10) Macon County (2-1)

10. (NR) Fitzgerald (2-1-1)

Class A

1. (1) Eagle’s Landing Christian (3-0)

2. (2) Landmark Christian (4-0)

3. (4) Aquinas (3-0)

4. (5) Savannah Christian (2-0-1)

5. (6) George Walton Academy (3-1)

6. (7) Prince Avenue Christian (3-1)

7. (8) Seminole County (4-0)

8. (9) Irwin County (3-0-1)

9. (NR) Johnson County (4-0)

10. (3) Lincoln County (1-2)

44 comments Add your comment

Colquitt Fan

September 22nd, 2013
2:58 pm

I wonder if Lowndes is at least putting buzz Payne up in a good hotel this week since he’ll be in Valdosta all week

CoffeeC100

September 22nd, 2013
3:53 pm

BK is probably already at the hospital suffering from spastic disbelief.

Sportsnut

September 22nd, 2013
4:22 pm

Now the fun starts.

yo

September 22nd, 2013
4:37 pm

@Colquit Fan not going to be able to blame McPherson’s domination of Probst 2 years in a row. Probst is going to have to find a new excuse this year.

5-Time

September 22nd, 2013
4:57 pm

If it wasn’t for that fluke win by Newton earlier in the season, Region 1-AAAAAA would be taking over half of the spots in the Rankings…

Hubie Green

September 22nd, 2013
7:05 pm

Milton has played like a Top Ten team thus far: 4-0 and just hammered Roswell 33-3 without its top running back.

Trojan94

September 22nd, 2013
7:57 pm

1. Where did all the burke co fans go?

Sportsnut

September 22nd, 2013
8:05 pm

Where did all the region 8, 6A fans go? I posed the question and was told, in no uncertain terms, the leaders in reg. 8 would not be. It is starting to look like I may have been right. Time will tell. There is much football to be played.

Fred

September 22nd, 2013
8:41 pm

@Sportsnut – I’m here but just got here after working all weekend. I don’t understand your statement/question “I posed the question and was told, in no uncertain terms, the leaders in reg. 8 would not be.”

As for us, in a game that shouldn’t have been that close, we were driving when our QB went down on a late hit after sliding and suffered a major concussion. He was out like a light and didn’t move a muscle for over 5 minutes on the field. He wound up being carried off on a stretcher and taken to the hospital for CT scans. Our backup QB came in and has a good arm. We had a potential touchdown pass after that broken up by the defensive back laying all over our receiver and not getting called for it. As I said, and have said before, one play doesn’t make a game. There were several other plays that cost us. We’ve got the athletes but for some reason they just aren’t clicking yet.

As you said, still a lot of football to be played.

CoffeeC100

September 22nd, 2013
11:24 pm

@Fred – Sorry to hear about your QB. Sending good thoughts for a quick recovery.

Speaking of injuries. Considering our schedule so far, Coffee has been fortunate enough to escape without any major injuries, (Knock on wood.). I know Pittman is out at Colquitt. How are the rest of the Region 1 teams doing as far as injuries?

Let’s play some football!

tigonian02

September 22nd, 2013
11:42 pm

@CoffeeC100 – Valdosta has the usual scrapes and bruises that you would expect getting down into the meat of the season, but everyone is still up and playing I believe.

57Cat

September 23rd, 2013
12:47 am

Valdosta lost it’s starting QB, Cole Massingill less than two weeks before the season. He was our QB for our 7 – on – 7 win at Byrne, SC and for the National Championship at Hoover, AL where we placed 4th out of, I believe, 32 teams. So, that was a big loss. But Mac Laudermilk has stepped up and is doing an outstanding job enabling Coach Gillespie to work miracles getting practice reps and game reps for 10th grader Seth Shuman to the point that Seth started at QB against Newton and did a real good job. He will only get better.

57Cat

September 23rd, 2013
12:56 am

Fred – You have no need to apologize for your team. Everybody loses key players just about every year via graduation, transfer, or injury. You guys lost 21 of 22 starters and I know next to no high school or college teams that has the talent and the program to back fill that mammoth a loss. It may take Grayson two years to come all the way back (plus a couple more Dkemdiches (sp) ;-) Good luck as you work to make your way back.

Plus, many prayers and best wishes for a full Ndebele rapid recovery.

57Cat

September 23rd, 2013
1:00 am

“For a full and rapid recovery.” (Where do some of these “corrections” come from? I make enough errors without the Cyber Monster’s help!)

CoffeeC100

September 23rd, 2013
5:42 am

I thought the quarterbacks name was Ndebele for a second there.

Da Cat Fan

September 23rd, 2013
6:31 am

Shuman is going to be a good one. He will pick you apart if he has time. Loudermilk has what takes to be a good passer. He has a strong arm, just need to believe in his passing ability.

57Cat

September 23rd, 2013
8:09 am

Da Cat Fan – Laudermilk is a lot like Tebow. He isn’t a good passer, but he is a punishing runner and he does an outstanding job managing and leading a team. Shuman will be our QB when Coach is confident that he has had enough reps to step up and take over the job. We lose nothing with Mac at tight end/full back/H back, or whatever – as long as he is on the field. Did you see the Shuman-to-Craig Barry pass? We just have too many talented kids, which is a good thing to have. Coach is doing an excellent job thinking outside the box and building an offense unlike any he has had before. Now it’s on to Region play. It should be a heckuva ride.

Sportsnut

September 23rd, 2013
8:16 am

@ Fred == I was just starting to worry you guy’s were going to pull a BK on us. God speed to the recovery of those that are injured. I want to see them all play. On region 8 and it’s role reversal, I asked much earlier if it would surprise anyone if these teams would be the reps from region 8. I think I might have caught some flack by merely suggesting such a thing.

Time is getting short. I think we all should accept that some, not sure who or how may, are going to be sitting home for the 2nd season. We can speculate now but the truth is coming.

Sportsnut

September 23rd, 2013
8:26 am

If Dacula beats Archer Friday, they will be the region leader at 3-2 overall. 3-0 in region.

Todd Holcomb

September 23rd, 2013
8:45 am

re: Milton – The Eagles got very serious consideration. After the top five, I’d say #6 through #12 (which would include Milton and Mill Creek) are pretty comparable in their credentials. You could pull names out of a hat. It makes #6 look overrated and #12 look underrated. They could be flip-flopped.

insight

September 23rd, 2013
10:52 am

Not taking any way from Archer, but the record of their four opponents 2 Wins, 13 Loses.
How current SOS play into the rankings?

Titletown USA

September 23rd, 2013
11:03 am

My concern with the Valdosta QB situation is the same as the past few years, decent arms but questionable legs….and that matters when Region 1 defenses began to flush them out of the pocket. The cats just do not have the size/depth on the OL to facilitate a one dimensional pocket passer, but I hope that I am wrong. Hopefully, the threat of Joseph(1) and Herring(13) will be enough to balance the scales.

RealisticFan

September 23rd, 2013
11:10 am

Question for the AAAAAA Reg 1 fans.

Tift looses 28-21 to TCC last week in a pretty competitive game.

Do you Reg1 give Tiftt any chance of hanging with any of your big name teams or are they still way over their heads and will end up with all losses coming to the home stretch. ?

Decatur 4 Life

September 23rd, 2013
11:29 am

@insight

SOS doesn’t play into the rankings at all, this isn’t the BCS. Heck we’ll know in the next few weeks if Archer’s for real or not

Todd Holcomb

September 23rd, 2013
12:09 pm

insight – Strength of schedule is definitely considered, but you also have to consider the SOS of the teams that Archer has played. Yes, those teams are 2-13, but I think Parkview, Brookwood and East Coweta are still probably average teams in AAAAAA, if not slightly better than that. Wouldn’t be shocked if all three made the playoffs and East Coweta won its region. Archer’s schedule, according to the Maxwell Ratings, has been stronger than Camden’s and Milton’s and only a little weaker than Coffee’s and Valdosta’s.

Todd Holcomb

September 23rd, 2013
12:12 pm

Archer’s schedule is 29th toughest so far out of 65 teams in AAAAAA, according to Maxwell. (Note: Maxwell has a tough time rating out-of-state opponents, so Norcross and Colquitt should be a little higher) –

Grayson 83.52
Brookwood 82.78
Parkview 82.52
Colquitt County 78.03
North Gwinnett 77.75
Dacula 77.00
East Coweta 76.92
Walton 75.39
Duluth 73.96
Alpharetta 73.89
Marietta 73.43
Hillgrove 72.29
Lovejoy 71.49
Norcross 70.97
Mill Creek 70.42
Peachtree Ridge 70.40
Newton 70.31
Central Gwinnett 69.12
West Forsyth 69.04
Lassiter 69.00
Meadowcreek 68.61
McEachern 68.52
Woodstock 67.46
Newnan 65.97
Coffee 64.49
Centennial 64.19
Valdosta 64.15
Tri-Cities 64.00
Archer 63.99
Mountain View 63.34
Westlake 62.24
South Gwinnett 61.64
Johns Creek 61.58
Cherokee 61.08
Wheeler 60.91
Chattahoochee 60.61
Pebblebrook 60.09
Langston Hughes 59.73
Harrison 58.99
Douglas County 58.62
Lambert 58.42
Luella 58.32
Collins Hill 58.22
North Cobb 58.02
Kennesaw Mountain 57.46
Milton 57.34
Tift County 57.30
Roswell 56.76
Brunswick 56.66
Etowah 56.00
South Cobb 54.75
Habersham Central 54.19
Rockdale County 53.84
Berkmar 51.27
North Forsyth 49.05
Shiloh 46.57
Alcovy 45.57
Lowndes 45.12
Campbell 43.43
Morrow 43.43
Camden County 40.19
South Forsyth 37.98
Druid Hills 27.03

HSFB Follower

September 23rd, 2013
12:52 pm

@Fred- Are we beginning to see the effect of Archer opening 5 years ago and pulling from Grayson?

@57Cat boy Massengill’s injury was the biggest prior to Pittman’s. If Massengill was running the show you’d see how those 7on7 titles had them ready to do it big this year, they finished in the top 16 at Hoover . Mac and Berry got some runs in those events also so I think were beginning to see that now. Camden my be w/o a DB this week not related to an injury, not sure though and they have some lil knick knack injuries but nothing major.

DOSTA DAWG

September 23rd, 2013
1:08 pm

@ Titletown USA – I think you may be alittle closer in your assesment of the Valdosta QB situation than you normally are. I think Loudermilk is a better passer than coach Gillespie gives him credit. I just don’t believe he is coach Gillespie’s style of QB. The thing Loudermilk has is the trust of this senior class. He was the QB on their Freshman team when went undefeated and blew everybody out. Mac is a hard-nose player who will get in his teammates face and get you right!! The players respect him and have his back. I like Seths potential and I think he can help, but I just don’t know if he is quite ready.

The biggest difference in this years Valdosta team is the defense is a year older and coach Gillespie has been forced to play MALCOLM JOESPH / NELSON HERRING together. Normally, he starts one or the other and rotates them at TB. I hate to say it, but if Cole Massingale doesn’t get hurt, we would not see those 2 playing together as much!!! I’ve been saying it for 2 yrs, you have to put all your playmakers on the field at the same time. Give defenses as much to worry about as possible!!

The Valdosta O-Line is getting better, but they are NOT power run blockers!!! They do well in the ‘READ -OPTION” because they can “SHADOW” block and our RB’s have great vision and speed.

Bill Parcels once said “YOU ARE WHAT YOU ARE!” Valdosta best chance on offense is with the “READ OPTION” attack. It helps put our best weapons on the field at the same time.

insight

September 23rd, 2013
3:08 pm

Todd: Thanks for the detailed explaination. I see the rational and it expains why Archer edges out
Milton, Collins Hill and other unbeatens.

Fred

September 23rd, 2013
3:27 pm

@Sportsnut – Ah, ok. It is sometimes hard to keep track of what was said on what thread – especially as they seem to be disappearing from the main page faster than before.

I won’t disappear on you, I have a small side business that specializes in event business so between that and family commitments with a little sleep thrown in, this year it seems as though it sometimes takes me longer to get back to the blog. I’ll always show up an own up to whatever we do. I try real hard not to be a fair weather fan.

Fred

September 23rd, 2013
3:37 pm

@HSFB Follower – It is hard to say what impact Archer has had on us. We lost 21 starters and our genius defensive coordinator and I think most every team would take a hit from that. We still have plenty of good athletes but they seem to have had a hard time clicking together this year. I’ve seen things that make me want to face palm and say “What?” Simple mistakes. After the Parkview game, I thought we had worked that out. At Dacula, we dropped some passes and fumbled some balls and it hurt us. They scored on two big plays, one where a receiver got behind the coverage and one where the QB had a great run. Other than that, our D was okay. I’m not making excuses at all. Dacula came to play and really wanted that game bad. They looked way better than thye have the past couple of years at least.

I think the Rams as a team have struggled to find their identity. While most of the boys got playing time the last couple of years, they didn’t get it as complete units for the most part. I’m not sure they really have the confidence in each other they should have in order to work together seamlessly and I don’t know why. They had it easy as the second or third string on some really good teams but are now being asked to carry the load and I’m not sure all of them understand what that means. I see improvements every week, even the Dacula game. I hope we don’t run out of games before we get it all together.

CoffeeC100

September 23rd, 2013
5:49 pm

@Fred – I agree with you dude. I’m finding it a little difficult to keep up with what I’ve said on what thread And since I’m not about to go back and reread several similar threads in their entirety there are times I just don’t post.

CoffeeC100

September 23rd, 2013
6:17 pm

@Todd Holcomb- Where did you get your Maxwell strength of schedule numbers from you used in your above post rating AAAAAA SOS’s . I’m probably just removing all doubt as to my rationality but in the latest Maxwell ratings that you published on Sept. 18 Grayson’s SOS was 70.28 and you gave them a SOS of 83.82 in the above post. Same with Coffee. The 9-18 post gave them a 71.88. You gave them a 64.49. You got Archer close. The 9-13 post gave them a 64.42. You gave them a 63.99 above. Actually they are pretty much all incorrect if you used the 9-18 Maxwell SOS’s.

The 9-18 post gives the four highest Strength of Schedule ratings to the top 4 teams in region 1.

Is it me or you?

DA CAT FAN

September 23rd, 2013
6:31 pm

@Dosta Dawg- I have a different assessment of Shuman. He is the first QB that knows how to hold the secondary at bay until he is ready to pass. The sign of a true QB. Last year’s QB was a good passer but he lacked that skill. I think that is was North Cobb picked him off so many times. Shuman has yet to throw an interception. I tell you, If he is given the time, he will do damage to a secondary. Loudermilk does not have faith in his arm, and I think sometimes he is afraid to throw it.

57Cat

September 23rd, 2013
8:08 pm

BK, AVikingFan: The reason I have said we do not know yet how good the Vikings is that, with a strength of schedule ranked 60th out 65 6A schools, we do not have a good standard to measure them by. They may be world beaters, but won’t know anything until Friday night.

57Cat

September 23rd, 2013
8:10 pm

“How the Vikings are, is that”

bksmith14

September 23rd, 2013
10:32 pm

i cant say anything about how i feel about valdosta bc if i do all i will hear in return is ” you lost to newton” we are all just going to have to see how the season unfolds.. i feel valdosta will lose to lowndes unless they develop a better passing game..we shut down their backs last year with the best o line valdosta has had in a long time and they are not coming to martin stadium and going to beat lowndes by running the ball. We will see what both are made of this fri by how each perform against what most think are the top 2 teams in the region

itsonlywrite

September 23rd, 2013
11:50 pm

I think Parkview is actually decent. They just dont have an effecient offense. They were hanging with Peachtree Ridge for a good bit…

#ELEPHANTNATION

57Cat

September 23rd, 2013
11:55 pm

BK : I think we have a good team that is getting better. I have said before that I do not Lowndes’ loss to Newton makes the Vikings a worse team than the Cats just because we beat Newton. I sure don’t think Lowndes obliteration of three powder puffs proves anything. The only thing right now that makes me respect the Vikings this year is your history. The real tests for us all begins Friday night.

By the way, I don’t necessarily think Colquitt and Camden are the best two teams in the region, but we shall see.

Sportsnut

September 24th, 2013
6:21 am

Glad to hear it Fred.

yo

September 24th, 2013
8:11 am

57Cat

September 24th, 2013
9:05 am

Yo, I wish Valdosta had such a talented sportswriter with such a real appreciation for the recent history of our schools’ programs. I hope the ones we have are at least boning up on the history of the Winnersville Classic so they won’t embarrass themselves in trying to cover the event in a couple of weeks.

Thanks for sharing the Moultrie Observer article.

Colquitt Supporter

September 24th, 2013
11:00 am

Regardless of strength of schedule, injuries, etc, I believe the Pack will have all it wants against Lowndes on Friday. Who knows, the last team with the ball may win. Should be a good game though.

grayram

September 24th, 2013
11:46 am

I don’t think any of the Grayson posters here (with the possible exception of Ole Ram) are surprised at all that Archer is doing well. The Tigers have been steadily improving each year. As for the Rams there is still pleanty of time for them to grow up and have a good season. Dacula played hard all night and ended up with a W. It’s really not clear who is going to step up and claim the playoff seeds this season. Reg8 doesn’t look as strong as in the recent past but with R7 looking good there is still a strong chance Gwinnett will make it 4 Titles in a row in the highset class.