Eagle’s Landing coach wants shot clock after lowest-scoring playoff game since 1948

Clay Crump, coach of No. 1-ranked Eagle’s Landing’s boys, says he’d like to see Georgia adopt a shot-clock rule after his team beat Albany 39-13 in the Class AAAA first round this week.

It was the lowest-scoring game in the state playoffs in 65 years, according to Becky Taylor of the Georgia Basketball Project.

Eagle’s Landing led only 9-7 after one quarter as Albany played a slow-down offense, but what was strange was Albany’s strategy after Eagle’s Landing bolted to a 28-12 halftime lead, according to Gabriel Stovall’s account of the game for the Henry Herald.

Albany twice held the ball for three minutes in the third quarter – which was scoreless for both teams.

“It’s not fun,” Crump  told the Henry Herald. “We practice to play basketball, not to play catch. It’s kind of an admission from the other team that they don’t really want to play with us.”

Albany coach Archie Chatmon defended his strategy in a story in the Albany Herald.

“They booed us, but that was OK with me,” he said. “My goal was to give my team the best chance to win. We weren’t going to be able to beat them playing them four quarters. But we might beat them playing one quarter.”

The last time that so few points have been scored in the boys state  tournament was March 4, 1948, when Montezuma beat Portal 27-25 in the Class C championship game.

No team has scored fewer than 13 points in the boys tournament since 1947, when Rabun Gap beat Mansfield 64-10.

In 2012, Whitefield Academy beat  Hebron Christian 65-13.

52 comments Add your comment

Max Sizemore

February 21st, 2013
7:57 pm

Archie’s been around for a while. Long enough to remember Dean Smith.

Holy Low Score!!

February 21st, 2013
8:11 pm

It’s Crump. Not Crum.

hind tit

February 21st, 2013
8:33 pm

What drives me up the wall is when the opposing coach want go out and challenge the ball. To me that’s as bad as holding the ball. If their not good enough to play you then you should be smart enough to steal the ball.

Steve Daniels

February 21st, 2013
9:20 pm

I’m sure two shot clocks (maybe more-in case one goes down) and a shot clock operator is in the budget of all the schools in the state of Georgia.

BrewsterBunch

February 21st, 2013
10:06 pm

Sounds like Albany was playing some “bush league” basketball. That is embarrassing for the city of Albany and for basketball players everywhere.

ballcoach

February 21st, 2013
10:18 pm

Put 32 teams in the state playoffs and you will have these type of mismatches. South Georgia has been typically weak in the upper classes (AAAA,AAAAA,AAAAAA). Let’s put 2 from each region (champion and runner-up) and then have a non-biased panel to vote on the remaining 16 spots in the field ala NCAA tournament……

BlueDevil78

February 21st, 2013
10:31 pm

The lowest Girls’ playoff score was in 1979 – Norcross defeated Central Gwinnett 15-5 in the 8AAA subregion playoffs.

clutch

February 21st, 2013
10:57 pm

Westover has been in numerous final fours and state finals. Valdosta was just in the final four. bainbridge has been to multiple final fours and also tift. So ball coach please don’t go there.

clutch

February 21st, 2013
11:03 pm

Also theres a five second rule in high school and college basketball. So if you don’t want a team to just hold the ball then put pressure on the ball or trap and press the team, that way that cant hold the ball. Just simple coaching.

jj

February 22nd, 2013
1:35 am

Albany did what they thought they had to to win…Sounds like Coach Crum is just being a cry baby. COACH damn it! Press and play man to man and you will stop the stall. Sounds like Albany got under his skin alittle…lol luv it!

jj

February 22nd, 2013
1:43 am

Agree with @ballcoach..when u have 6 team in your region and u take 4 out of 6 to State that becomes a JOKE!!!!!
@10:06 not “bush league” but smart on Albanys part. Yes, I remember DEAN SMITH one of the best
Crum needs to shut up and Fly like an EAGLE…

TIFT COUNTY

February 22nd, 2013
7:09 am

There is a good argument on both sides, but what normally happens is the team that is up will not come out an cause a five second count or press the ball because they are the ones with the lead and if the team loosing wants to stand there and hold the ball and lose 10-8 or 5-2 a win is a win. Same thing happen to tift county a few years back while playing at Houston up in warner robbins. Houston held the ball for the entire game. In the third quarter they held the ball for all 8 minutes, but Tift was up 17-6 so Tift just stood there saying we will take the win if that’s how you want to give it to us. Again a win is a win. I too would like to see a shot clock it just speeds the game up and eliminates all the play calling by coaches and allows players to make plays. This would be a more enjoyable game to watch.

Tom

February 22nd, 2013
7:40 am

No one complains when teams run the ball to run the clock in football. Why is this bad in basketball? It’s not against the rules. Look at Wisconsin…few athletes but they have made the Final Four before, are usually ranked, and compete with the best. Stop complaining, coach, and worry about your team! If you don’t like it, trap, press, and speed up the tempo. It’s called coaching!

Whoz53

February 22nd, 2013
9:11 am

GREAT game plan coach. I’ve used it to shorten the game an make a big run to win it.

coachforeva

February 22nd, 2013
9:46 am

I seen J’Boro do the same thing against Eagles Landing. Especially when they sit in that 2-3 defense. I don’t remember seeing in the Basketball Rule book that you must shoot the ball after 1 pass or you cannot make 100 passes before shooting the ball. If I was coaching against Eagles Landing and I did not have the horses to take on that team, I would use the stall technique also. Or if I was smaller than them and knew their bigs could not guard my smaller guys, I would stall them out of that zone and then go by them. Great game plan in my opinion.

Coach

February 22nd, 2013
10:09 am

A couple of observations, I wasn’t here in the times when some really good teams came out of S Ga. consistently. There are with a few exceptions but for the most part in the higher classifications many times if a team from outside of metropolitan ATL gets through to the semi’s or the finals it’s because of the draw, they come from a weak region and get lucky with a weaker bracket. This may upset some people but it’s my observation.

Although a shot clock would be good for the fans, I don’t think it would be good for GA basketball overall. Southern ball is mostly predicated on strictly athleticism, push the ball, press to create steals, shoot three’s or, get to the rim. Low emphasis on teaching the fundamentals or strategy’s, so we breed great athletes who have low basketball I Q’s . When teams from the south travel outside their regions they find it hard to win. So, unless the standard of coaching improves a shot clock will probably make this condition worse.

Smug

February 22nd, 2013
10:14 am

Hey BrewsterBunch, that ain’t all Albany should be embarrassed about.

The Truth

February 22nd, 2013
11:37 am

Shot clock makes sense for many reasons, and that is why GHSA will not adopt it. Teams that play good defense for 45 seconds to a minute are penalized by not having a shot clock. It is easy to say…well keep playing defense and get a steal…but the best teams in college basketball can’t do it. That is one reason they have it. Shot clocks require more strategy on both ends of the floor, and would make the games more exciting. You can still control the tempo of the game with a shot clock. Watch Duke, Syracuse and Wisconsin play. All good teams that take advantage of the shot clock on offense and defense.

TY

February 22nd, 2013
11:40 am

These type games would not happen if the GHSA had not adapted the stance that four teams per region could be eligible for the tournament. A fourth place region team does not need to be in the playoffs (football nor basketball nor any sport). It was just a ploy by GHSA many years ago for money purposes The worst example ever was when The Dwight Howard private school team played fourth place Warren Co. in the state tournament.

Tom

February 22nd, 2013
12:00 pm

Truth…big difference in college and high school teams, especially guard play. Let’s say a high school team runs a 1-3-1 halfcourt trap. Chances are good that in 20 seconds you either force a turnover or give up a basket. I have yet to see a team effectively stall on the high school level vs a halfcourt trap. Colleges can do it because, generally, 4 out of the 5 guys on the court can handle the ball well. Teams that handle it…guess what happends, coaches trap them!

Tom

February 22nd, 2013
12:01 pm

**Teams that CAN’T handle it**

Concerned

February 22nd, 2013
12:12 pm

What about Archie’s team stepping up and play in your face defense (A.K.A. paly pressure defense),

Johnny412

February 22nd, 2013
12:26 pm

Concerned…clearly this coach doesn’t think he has the talent to play with this style. He is trying to put his kids in a position to win against a team with far superior talent. Why should he play m-2-m defense? His kids would lose by 40.

DB

February 22nd, 2013
12:51 pm

For those that say great game plan…they lost by 24….how is that a great plan? They scored a record low points. I agree with the plan while its close but holding the ball down 18 points….why should the defense come out and play and get in foul trouble and give you foul shots….Up by less than 10…play for that final qtr…once its closer to 20 the game plan has to change.

Concerned

February 22nd, 2013
12:54 pm

You are right Johnny, I was refering to the Eagle Landing’s Coach play m2m defense. Sorry for the confusion.

bball IQ

February 22nd, 2013
12:58 pm

Eagle’s Landing has a tough road to go. They have to go threw South Atlanta, Columbia, Monroe, & Westover to name a few. The difference in the North (open enrollment). South you might have a team or 2 recruiting and winning not alot. North puts teams 2gether bottom line. I have lived in the Atlanta area for 10 years and thats all that goes on. Not hard to coach a team full of talent. If you get the best player from a under 500 or above 500 type team and put 6 or 7 of those guys together you have a top 25 team national and state wouldnt even compare.
I wish you guys would stop actin like your programs are so great when there not. When the State cracks down on the transfer rule alot of this recruting crap will stop.

clutch

February 22nd, 2013
1:41 pm

So teams from south ga are only lucky if they get to the final four… interesting coach.

Wow

February 22nd, 2013
2:18 pm

It’s funny that a team with a ton of talent wants a shot clock but the teams that hardly ever have college level players (80% of the teams on GA) don’t want it. If you think transferring is bad now, it would be worse with a shot clock. AAU began the destruction of HS bball, the shot clock would ruin it. Stop crying!!!

Coach

February 22nd, 2013
2:30 pm

@ Clutch; So teams from south GA are only lucky if they get to the final four… interesting coach.
I’m just saying over the last few years, those teams have had an easier route to the finals then other teams.
I think the proof is in the pudding when they have gotten to the finals many of the games haven’t been close. However I think this year S GA has a good chance to do well, I like the teams out of Savanna in AAA and Tift Co in AAAAAA even though there’s a lot of questions about eligibility

HSFB Follower

February 22nd, 2013
2:36 pm

It just does the game of basketball a disservice w/o a shot clock PERIOD END OF DISCUSSION! If football can have a play clock I don’t see why hoops can’t have a shot clock! And for those screaming about the “budget”…well it’s a WASTE of money to travel and play game to just sit there and hold the ball all game long. It cheats the players, fans and the BUDGET! Nobody wants to see that crap!

ELHS student

February 22nd, 2013
3:10 pm

People from both sides paid $7 to get into a state playoff game to watch a team hold a ball. I know ELHS was unhappy, and we only had to drive right down the road to the game, but I can only wonder how upset Albany fans were after traveling all that way for absolutely no reason. The coach didnt give their players a chance. I could understand it if they did it after 1st quarter since they were down by 2, but they did it when they were basically out of the game. I feel sorry for Albany’s seniors, but oh well. All I know is that nobody is going to slow down the eagle’s fast paced offense. Final Four here we come!!!

the truth

February 22nd, 2013
3:58 pm

The Eagles Landing coach needs be quiet and move on. There are many things he could have done to increase the tempo of the game if that is what he wanted. If I am the coach of a more talented team than Albany I would use this tactic as well. Anything I can do to get irritate the coach of the opposition gives me an advantage.

Coach

February 22nd, 2013
3:59 pm

In 25 years of playing, coaching and spectating I can count on one hand the times i”ve seen a team realy try and hold the ball more than 2 minutes. Eagles Landing has a cake walk to the final 4

the truth

February 22nd, 2013
4:15 pm

I have seen it a number of times. It does work occasionally, usually to pull a team out of a zone so the team holding the ball can run screens and back door cuts to the basket. Princeton used to do this with quite a bit of success when Pete Carril was the coach.

Ba Zing

February 22nd, 2013
4:30 pm

Shot clock will never happen. Finances, extra ref to run it. Pay for the clocks, you have to run it in all sub varsity games…..open your eyes and see the overall picture coach! It is not just about you and your team this year. You will be lucky to be .500 next year.

hoopcoch

February 22nd, 2013
9:23 pm

Coach Crump is young and is still learning. I believe his frustration spoke, not his common sense. In addition to the costs of shot clocks, and personnel to operate we would have competency issues. I don’t think most of you know how many different rules would come into play with shot clock and finding someone to operate it would be difficult. If it is an official then your budget increases by 25% for the year. Will never happen in HS. If you saw Coach Crump’s first few teams (before Ringer, Eric, and the transfers)you will know they pushed the tempo even then even though they were getting killed and losing large # of games. Young coaches tend to forget some stuff.

Bmax

February 22nd, 2013
10:50 pm

Only thing so special bout Atl schools is they are able to stack an entire AAU Organization on their high schools team(miller grove,Milton, Columbia etc…) look at AAAA state bracket with LaGrange & Shaw their Region jus put an entire region out with a slew of overrate players on team. A lot of underrated players in south Ga, don’t get it twisted.

Black

February 23rd, 2013
8:21 am

Duh play man to man and force them to play! I can’t blame the other coach if u let them hold the ball! Basketball was invented to prevent the team from scoring meaning defense! It looks like he was scared to play man defense

Roberto

February 23rd, 2013
9:04 pm

Tell Crump to get over it. He’s winning because he has talent, not because he’s such a good coach. I remember his teams over the years. Nothing special at all until height moved into his school district.

JIM SMITH

February 23rd, 2013
9:26 pm

IN 1977 I OFFICATED ==BANKS COUNTY GIRLS VS RABUN COUNTY GIRLS AND THE SCORE WAS 3-2..BANKS COUNTY WON..
THIS WAS IN THE SUB REGION SEMI-FINALS AT UNION COUNTY HIGH SCHOOL..CLASS B..
MAXI SKINNER WAS BANKS COACH AND GAIL CROWE WAS RABUN COUNTY COACH..
MY NAMES IS::::
JIM SMITH
HIAWASSEE, GA 30546

Carl Stephenson

February 24th, 2013
1:31 am

Everybody love Princeton. Crump should not have get all the attention that his boys deserved more. If I were him, I would have let sub (2nd team or 3rd team) play to see if Albany will run the ball. Then if not, let my 3rd team fouled them early force them to shoot free throw. It will be fun to test new stratgery plan. It is a way of education. There is so many ways to find how to handle holding ball. He should have pay respect and play the game than show high class and not hard work. Play smart with the rules. Win is win and lost is lost. Which one you want then go home. My applause to Albany HS and GHSA.

WOW

February 24th, 2013
8:23 am

He won the game…. What an idiot. The game is for the kids not the coach and to slow a game down to help the kids try to even the playing field, so be it. Sounds like an AAU coach with a big ego.

BehindEnemyLines

February 24th, 2013
5:44 pm

What an obnoxious whiny so-and-so.

Basketball Jones

February 24th, 2013
10:47 pm

TIFT COUNTY…….Tell the rest of that story. Houston held the ball against that Tift County team and ended up losing by 2 points and had a 3 point shot at the buzzer that would have won the game for them. The strategy worked.

There does not need to be a shot clock in high school basketball. Coaches need to learn to adapt and play defenses that will speed the game up. Teach half court traps….they stop the slow down game and force you to speed the game up.

These talented teams with coaches that sit in zone defense because they can’t coach themselves out of a wet paper bag deserve to have the ball held against them. Change the pace of the game yourself or shut up!!!

southga

February 25th, 2013
12:33 am

Albany High 1986 final four, state runner -up twice to Westover (Albany Ga) 1990&94. final four 1995. Westover 4 straight 90-94 plus 2 more. Dougherty High School 2 state championships after that. Monroe several final fours! Those are four school from Albany. Area squads of Mitchell Baker, Tiff an others. Teams are made from there districts! Atlanta area teams are good but are aau influenced. So everyone should be allowed to recruit,, lets be fair. Until then you should win! Great job Coach Chatman, lets go Westover!

Erin

February 25th, 2013
8:51 am

Eagles Landing does not have a cake walk to the Final 4. They have to come thru Albany to Westover this week. If a coach knows his team is inferior to a team he must do whatever he can to win. My nephew plays for Albany High, he overheard one of Eagles Landing coaches say and I quote ” What is this I have never seen this before.” Well welcome to the playoffs coach Crump. Bring your A game this week, Westover maybe smaller but are much better guards and shooters than your team with a coach just as smart as coach Chatmon.

Was anyone there?

February 25th, 2013
1:02 pm

There sure is a lot of hate towards Eagle’s Landing and their coach.
I believe that he understands the purposes of stall. I’ve even seen him use it when up late. What was hard to understand was why a team would stall down 17 the entire 3rd quarter. The team that is up has no incentive to chase and risk injury at that point. The game was close in the 1st as Albany limited possessions but then EL pressed and trapped to get the separation. If they’d trapped in the 3rd, they’d be accused of trying to run the score up. When a coach is asked after the game what they think about the stall strategy and addresses it in an honest way, well, we see the results of that. No problem with the Albany coach’s plan initially. It’s good basketball. It was the down 17 stall that was new. The clock is the enemy at that point.

Ba Zing

February 25th, 2013
6:20 pm

Was anyone there? Thanks Coach Crump!

OldFriend

February 26th, 2013
7:20 am

Yes, Mr. Smith you are correct. I was in attendance at that game in 1977. Maxie Skinner would do anything to win. Banks County could only have beaten a Rabun County team by a slow down type of game. Interesting game, but very hard to watch. Never thought I witness a 3-2 score.

JW

February 26th, 2013
10:31 am

Whats the strategy of holding the ball for 3 minutes when you’re BEHIND? You’re wasting precious time that you could be scoring points. I’m not sure why Crump is crying for a shot clock when his team is ahead. Sure, it stinks for parents to drive hours to watch the other team hold the ball. Sounds like poor coaching on both sides in this game.

As for the shot clock in high school, I can’t imagine any fan not wanting one. Who wouldn’t rather watch basketball than a game of catch? Its like sitting through a 3 hour Nascar race only to see it finish under caution. Dollar for dollar, I’d rather watch high school bball than Nascar, but I expect some level of entertainment for my gate money.