Maxwell Ratings: Camden County hangs on to No. 1 in all classes; computer still likes Buford in AAA, forfeits aside
Each week, AJC.com will publish the Maxwell Ratings to give fans a computerized look at how Georgia’s 412 football-playing teams rank in each class and in all classifications.
Below are the rankings through games of Oct. 20.
The Maxwell Ratings are based strictly on scores. As the season progresses, the rankings will rely more and more on this season’s results and less on previous seasons. By the playoffs, the rankings will reflect 2012 results entirely.
All-Classification
1. Camden County (93.84)
2. Northside (Warner Robins) (93.38)
3. Norcross (93.21)
4. Lowndes (89.9)
5. North Gwinnett (88.66)
6. Grayson (86.93)
7. West Forsyth (86.67)
9. Colquitt County (85.87)
8. Lassiter (85.87)
10. Sandy Creek (85.19)
11. Calhoun (84.67)
12. Gainesville (83.65)
13. Buford (81.78)
14. Lovejoy (81.6)
15. Parkview (81.24)
16. Peach County (80.65)
17. Burke County (80.49)
18. M.L. King (80.07)
19. East Paulding (80.06)
20. Tucker (79.19)
21. Thomas County Central (79)
22. Thomson (78.35)
23. Washington County (77.71)
24. Coffee (77.6)
25. McEachern (77.3)
Class AAAAAA
1. Camden County (93.84)
2. Norcross (93.21)
3. Lowndes (89.9)
4. North Gwinnett (88.66)
5. Grayson (86.93)
6. West Forsyth (86.67)
7. Colquitt County (85.87)
8. Lassiter (85.87)
9. Lovejoy (81.6)
10. Parkview (81.24)
11. Coffee (77.6)
12. McEachern (77.3)
13. Walton (77.2)
14. Brookwood (77.03)
15. Valdosta (76.7)
16. Johns Creek (76.21)
17. Mill Creek (75.95)
18. Archer (75.67)
19. South Gwinnett (75.35)
20. Collins Hill (74.38)
21. Milton (74.37)
22. North Cobb (71.14)
23. Marietta (70.33)
24. Alpharetta (69.73)
25. Newnan (68.65)
26. Peachtree Ridge (68.18)
27. Hughes (67.58)
28. Hillgrove (66.64)
29. South Cobb (66.61)
30. East Coweta (66.53)
31. Chattahoochee (65.48)
32. Etowah (65.39)
33. Central Gwinnett (65.27)
34. Wheeler (64.11)
35. Dacula (63.77)
36. Brunswick (61.55)
37. Lambert (60.96)
38. Woodstock (59.99)
39. Tift County (59.38)
40. Harrison (58.79)
41. Tri-Cities (57.98)
42. Duluth (55.71)
43. Roswell (55.09)
44. Shiloh (54.86)
45. Centennial (54.68)
46. Newton (54.31)
47. Campbell (50.98)
48. North Forsyth (49.62)
49. Douglas County (49.48)
50. Alcovy (48.92)
51. Mountain View (48.55)
52. Kennesaw Mountain (48.37)
53. South Forsyth (47.76)
54. Cherokee (46.66)
55. Westlake (45.09)
56. Pebblebrook (44.39)
57. Berkmar (41.9)
58. Luella (37.46)
59. Rockdale County (36.13)
60. Habersham Central (36.1)
61. Morrow (26.71)
62. Druid Hills (26.6)
63. Meadowcreek (19.36)
Class AAAAA
1. Northside (Warner Robins) (93.38)
2. Gainesville (83.65)
3. M.L. King (80.07)
4. East Paulding (80.06)
5. Tucker (79.19)
6. Thomas County Central (79)
7. Kell (75.51)
8. Stephenson (74.99)
9. Warner Robins (74.78)
10. Flowery Branch (73.75)
11. Ware County (71.69)
12. Whitewater (70.52)
13. Allatoona (70.4)
14. Heritage (Conyers) (65.53)
15. Clarke Central (64.94)
16. Southwest DeKalb (64.65)
17. Lee County (62.85)
18. Rome (62.55)
19. Bainbridge (61.63)
20. Mays (60.96)
21. Union Grove (60.93)
22. Pope (59.98)
23. Creekview (59.51)
24. Creekside (58.61)
25. North Paulding (57.93)
26. Miller Grove (57.7)
27. Lakeside (Evans) (57.45)
28. Jones County (56.65)
29. Glynn Academy (56.63)
30. Northgate (56.55)
31. Apalachee (56.4)
32. South Paulding (55.96)
33. Cedar Shoals (55.6)
34. Drew (54.94)
35. Riverwood (51.46)
36. Richmond Hill (50.98)
37. Sprayberry (50.79)
38. Houston County (50.58)
39. Sequoyah (50.48)
40. Harris County (48.93)
41. Hiram (48.86)
42. McIntosh (48.54)
43. Starr’s Mill (48.39)
44. Effingham County (47.69)
45. Mundy’s Mill (47.68)
46. Arabia Mountain (47.56)
47. Villa Rica (46.8)
48. Grovetown (46.66)
49. Loganville (45.87)
50. Salem (44)
51. Hardaway (43.81)
52. Evans (43.44)
53. Jenkins (42.3)
54. Ola (42.26)
55. Greenbrier (39.66)
56. Dunwoody (39.24)
57. Northview (37.59)
58. Lakeside (DeKalb) (36.45)
59. New Manchester (36.19)
60. Windsor Forest (36.15)
61. Woodland (Cartersville) (35.21)
62. Northside (Columbus) (35.12)
63. Lithia Springs (33.58)
64. Forsyth Central (32.78)
65. Paulding County (32.1)
66. Mount Zion (Jonesboro) (31.78)
67. North Atlanta (31.66)
68. Bradwell Institute (30.91)
69. Winder-Barrow (29.53)
70. Osborne (28.62)
71. Groves (25.91)
72. Forest Park (22.86)
73. Clarkston (14.05)
74. Cambridge (8.62)
75. North Springs (0.01)
Class AAAA
1. Sandy Creek (85.19)
2. Burke County (80.49)
3. Carrollton (75.39)
4. Marist (75.11)
5. Griffin (72.95)
6. Westside (Macon) (72.38)
7. Stockbridge (68.82)
8. Cairo (67.69)
9. Statesboro (67.52)
10. Ridgeland (66.52)
11. Jonesboro (65.96)
12. Baldwin (65.16)
13. Monroe (63.49)
14. Chamblee (61.2)
15. Grady (60.14)
16. Monroe Area (59.76)
17. Carver (Atlanta) (59.61)
18. Mary Persons (59.29)
19. Riverdale (58.89)
20. Perry (58.36)
21. Westover (57.91)
22. Dutchtown (56.2)
23. Washington (55.06)
24. Dalton (54.33)
25. Americus-Sumter (54.12)
26. Stephens County (53.89)
27. LaGrange (53.85)
28. Columbia (53.3)
29. Eastside (53.13)
30. Shaw (52.89)
31. Cass (52.75)
32. Northwest Whitfield (52.15)
33. Wayne County (52)
34. Veterans (51.7)
35. Chestatee (50.51)
36. Locust Grove (50.31)
37. Banneker (50.22)
38. North Clayton (49.27)
39. West Laurens (48.28)
40. Upson-Lee (47.36)
41. Troup (47.33)
42. Worth County (47.21)
43. Gilmer (46.27)
44. Fayette County (45.78)
45. River Ridge (45.29)
46. Pickens (44.77)
47. Liberty County (43.83)
48. Cedartown (43.78)
49. Woodland (Stockbridge) (43.54)
50. Stone Mountain (41.49)
51. South Effingham (41.38)
52. Albany (41.3)
53. Spalding (41.25)
54. Crisp County (40.99)
55. South Atlanta (40.43)
56. Rutland (40.11)
57. Lithonia (39.83)
58. Lanier (39.35)
59. Richmond Academy (38.24)
60. Redan (38.14)
61. Eagle’s Landing (37.55)
62. Alexander (32.26)
63. Johnson (Gainesville) (31.14)
64. Dougherty (28.55)
65. Southeast Whitfield (26.69)
66. Lumpkin County (25.17)
67. Glenn Hills (24.8)
68. LaFayette (23.39)
69. Cross Creek (22.35)
70. Madison County (21.2)
71. Walnut Grove (18.84)
72. Therrell (18.6)
73. Columbus (17.96)
74. Butler (17.33)
75. Heritage (Catoosa) (17.2)
76. Howard (16.14)
77. Hephzibah (2.86)
Class AAA
1. Buford (81.78)
2. Peach County (80.65)
3. Thomson (78.35)
4. Washington County (77.71)
5. St. Pius (73.6)
6. Carver (Columbus) (72.23)
7. North Oconee (62.09)
8. Woodward Academy (62.02)
9. Blessed Trinity (60.63)
10. Cartersville (60.39)
11. Elbert County (58.21)
12. North Hall (57.67)
13. Callaway (56.85)
14. Cedar Grove (54.72)
15. Appling County (53.57)
16. Pierce County (52.76)
17. Jefferson County (52.07)
18. Jackson (50.91)
19. Swainsboro (49.9)
20. Gordon Central (49.3)
21. Hart County (46.66)
22. Morgan County (46.19)
23. Adairsville (45.92)
24. Ringgold (45.13)
25. White County (45.05)
26. Chapel Hill (44.01)
27. Dodge County (42.87)
28. Tattnall County (42.62)
29. Lakeview-Ft. Oglethorpe (42.57)
30. Pike County (42.31)
31. Dawson County (41.08)
32. Decatur (40.95)
33. Rockmart (40.92)
34. Central (Carrollton) (37.12)
35. Henry County (35.89)
36. Jackson County (35.63)
37. North Murray (35.61)
38. Central (Macon) (34.66)
39. Jackson (Atlanta) (33.98)
40. Oconee County (32.81)
41. McNair (31.1)
42. Beach (29.02)
43. Haralson County (28.72)
44. Franklin County (28.64)
45. Savannah (27.44)
46. Southeast Bulloch (27.09)
47. B.E.S.T Academy (26.34)
48. Southwest (25.31)
49. East Hall (24.81)
50. Johnson (Savannah) (23.99)
51. West Hall (23.13)
52. Fannin County (22.89)
53. Sonoraville (22.29)
54. Banks County (21.48)
55. Coahulla Creek (21.07)
56. Douglass (20.95)
57. Brantley County (13.55)
58. East Jackson (13.37)
59. Towers (6.07)
60. Cross Keys (-25.83)
Class AA
1. Calhoun (84.67)
2. Brooks County (76.33)
3. Fitzgerald (66.7)
4. Lovett (65.09)
5. Cook (64.2)
6. Greater Atlanta Christian (63.45)
7. Westminster (56.3)
8. Jefferson (55.83)
9. Lamar County (55.68)
10. Vidalia (54.54)
11. Early County (53.82)
12. Washington-Wilkes (53.49)
13. Heard County (53.13)
14. Laney (51.12)
15. Screven County (50.69)
16. Bleckley County (49.62)
17. Thomasville (49.31)
18. Benedictine (48.68)
19. McIntosh County Academy (47.01)
20. Northeast (46.33)
21. Wesleyan (43.41)
22. Bowdon (43.14)
23. Pepperell (42.4)
24. Manchester (41.77)
25. East Laurens (38.68)
26. Bacon County (37.76)
27. Toombs County (37.45)
28. Macon County (32.27)
29. Bremen (32.27)
30. Putnam County (30.99)
31. Westside (Augusta) (30.93)
32. Kendrick (30.54)
33. Taylor County (30.24)
34. Coosa (29.94)
35. Greene County (27.19)
36. Dade County (25.54)
37. Model (25.02)
38. Metter (24.38)
39. Union County (24.34)
40. Bryan County (24.17)
41. Long County (23.45)
42. Berrien (23.39)
43. Chattahoochee County (22.68)
44. Dublin (22.38)
45. Oglethorpe County (21.74)
46. Pelham (21.54)
47. Armuchee (21.31)
48. Monticello (20.79)
49. Rabun County (20.51)
50. Jeff Davis (19.59)
51. Chattooga (17.87)
52. Spencer (17.61)
53. Harlem (11)
54. Josey (9.74)
55. Temple (9.71)
56. Hapeville (6.82)
57. Riverside Military (5.96)
58. Crawford County (5.64)
59. Atkinson County (3.67)
60. Jordan (-0.92)
61. Murray County (-2.31)
62. Social Circle (-3.42)
Class A (public)
1. Lincoln County (58.15)
2. Wilcox County (55.95)
3. Wilkinson County (53.44)
4. Emanuel County Institute (52.4)
5. Irwin County (47.24)
6. Charlton County (45.42)
7. Dooly County (45.39)
8. Marion County (44.6)
9. Clinch County (44.2)
10. Seminole County (43.12)
11. Claxton (41.75)
12. Greenville (40.76)
13. Miller County (39.97)
14. Turner County (39.57)
15. Johnson County (38.49)
16. Mitchell County (38.44)
17. Gordon Lee (34.2)
18. Trion (32.71)
19. Hancock Central (32.69)
20. Commerce (32.69)
21. Hawkinsville (28.05)
22. Telfair County (27.4)
23. Terrell County (26.83)
24. Treutlen (26.78)
25. Jenkins County (24.56)
26. Mount Zion (Carroll) (23.33)
27. Georgia Military College (22.04)
28. Twiggs County (21.05)
29. Randolph-Clay (18.86)
30. Calhoun County (17.36)
31. Warren County (17.16)
32. Lanier County (16.12)
33. Schley County (15.29)
34. Portal (12.75)
35. Wheeler County (9.56)
36. Central (Talbotton) (6.68)
37. Glascock County (6.38)
38. Montgomery County (-3.1)
39. Rabun Gap (-4.1)
40. Baconton (-4.99)
41. Towns County (-5.11)
42. Stewart County (-15.36)
Class A (private)
1. Eagle’s Landing Christian (67.56)
2. Prince Avenue Christian (52.11)
3. Savannah Christian (51.94)
4. Athens Academy (51.87)
5. Darlington (48.83)
6. Aquinas (48.2)
7. Calvary Day (46.82)
8. First Presbyterian (45.24)
9. Landmark Christian (43.49)
10. Holy Innocents (42.55)
11. George Walton Academy (41.9)
12. Brookstone (38.87)
13. Our Lady of Mercy (35.98)
14. Walker (35.4)
15. Athens Christian (30.16)
16. Whitefield Academy (28.5)
17. Pinecrest Academy (26.55)
18. Christian Heritage (26.35)
19. Mount Paran Christian (25.7)
20. Pace Academy (25.46)
21. King’s Ridge (25.2)
22. Mount Pisgah Christian (22.24)
23. Pacelli (16.01)
24. Savannah Country Day (15.97)
25. Lakeview Academy (15.71)
26. Strong Rock Christian (12.23)
27. Mount Vernon (3.53)
28. Fellowship Christian (1.77)
29. Southwest Atlanta Christian (0.61)
30. St. Francis (-2.07)
31. Hebron Christian Academy (-6.45)
32. North Cobb Christian (-18.74)
33. Providence Christian (-22.8)
The ratings are compiled by Loren Maxwell, who has been involved with sports ratings since 1986. Maxwell is an avid sports historian and the founder of the Georgia High School Football Historians Association. Currently, he is an active duty officer in the Air Force as an instructor at the Air Force Institute of Technology.
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99 comments Add your comment
FridayNightLightsFan
October 23rd, 2012
8:18 pm
Thanks Todd
The Cross
October 23rd, 2012
9:56 pm
Norcross is 8-0 and has defeated 6 teams in the Maxwell Top 20.
Is there anyone else on this list that can claim the same?
Norcross is the best team in the state!!!!
The Cross
My dad is a tv repairman. I can fix it.
October 23rd, 2012
10:08 pm
Cross, little boy blue, wait til playoffs to toot your horn.
BullDawg Rick
October 23rd, 2012
11:14 pm
Buford will play throughout the playoffs with their backs to the wall & be all the better for the bogus 4 plays during mop-up time over 2 124-0 games…..
Cross… Worry not, the AAAAAA championship will come from within Gwinnett Co, as it has 6 of the past 12 years (That’s not including Buford or Wesleyan n the other classifications)
jeff white
October 24th, 2012
6:24 am
I have seen Norcross play and they don’t want none of Grayson(possible second round match up in playoffs),and for Buford i don’t think this is a state championship team.Here are your 5 state championship teams,Camden,Tucker,Sandy Creek,Peach,Calhoun,ECI(not counting private schools).
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
7:10 am
Jeff- you are mistaken sir. We want ALL of Grayson.
Norcross is the best team in the state of Georgia!
The Cross
Jacketaxe
October 24th, 2012
7:13 am
Nobody cares if Buford cheats, in the computer rankings.
Loren Maxwell
October 24th, 2012
7:29 am
@Jacketaxe: “Nobody cares if Buford cheats, in the computer rankings.”
You have to keep the ratings in perspective. Their purpose is to measure the strength of teams, which is reflected from on-field performance and not administrative actions. Even though Buford had to administratively forfeit two games, they have the same team taking the field come this Friday that they’ve had all season.
jeff
October 24th, 2012
7:59 am
Not so fast(Lee Crosco style – lol)Grayson and Camden will play in the Semi – Finals.Norcross is loaded with talent but Grayson has the X-FACTOR named Mr. Robert Nkemdiche.
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
8:56 am
Jeff-I can’t wait for everyone to watch our O-line neutralize their D-line. Do you think Kamara and Autry gain all those yards and tds by themselves?
Norcross us the best team in State if Georgia and we will be crowned in Decrmber!
The Cross
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
9:03 am
Mr. Maxwell with all due respect, something has to be wrong with one of your processors because Norcross has beaten 6 teams in your top 25 and that should drive them to the top ranked team. Please throw away the Commodore 64 you are computing on and buy the IBM super computer which loves this Norcross team and rightfully so. They are a special group!
Norcross is the best team in the State of Georgia.
The Cross
OMacG
October 24th, 2012
9:03 am
The Cross- maybe you’re new here in Georgia…but we have something in place that proves who the best team in the state every year. It’s called “playoffs” and the challenge it presents has ruined many, many dreams birthed from impressive regular season performances. It will be historic new ground for Norcross to make it out of the quarterfinals…they’ve never done it.
jeff- if Grayson is R8 #2 seed and Camden R1 #1 seed, there is no possible way for them to play in the semis. They’ll be in the same upper right bracket and possibly meet in the quarters.
jeff
October 24th, 2012
9:27 am
You are right OMacG,I looked at the brackets wrong.The two best teams playing in the Quarters WOW.I wished i could go to that game.
Jefferson
October 24th, 2012
9:50 am
Treat the forfeits as if the scores were reversed and plug that in and see what you get. Buford will still rank high.
The computer really don’t care how you win, legal or not is fact indeed.
Todd Holcomb
October 24th, 2012
10:06 am
Note that the difference between Norcross and Camden County is these ratings is 2/3 of one point. I’m sure I’m correct to say that the Maxwell Ratings would project the Norcross-Camden County winner to be whichever were the home team.
Fred
October 24th, 2012
10:12 am
@The Cross said “Jeff-I can’t wait for everyone to watch our O-line neutralize their D-line. Do you think Kamara and Autry gain all those yards and tds by themselves?” referring to the Grayson D line.
There have been more than one or two teams that have said that but the felt the difference that reality brings. Ask Walton from last year’s championship game. If was difficult to be polite for Jones to run the ball when our defenders were arriving at the QB at the same time or before he was being handed the ball. The South QB is a great passer but got called for intentional grounding twice and was held to less than 50 yards all night because it is difficult to throw accurate passes when you are running for your life or looking up at the stars from on the ground.
I’m not saying Grayson is an automatic winner, I know better than that. You might want to temper a little bit of your certainty. There are basically 3 other posters to the AJC boards that exhibit that degree of certainty and they have all been humbled at one point or another.
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
11:00 am
OmacG- I’m not new here, in fact I have been involved in Georgia High School football for over 30 years. What most of you aren’t getting is my spoof on the South Georgia arrogance that feel they have a monopoly on good football. I realize there are playoffs and I realize that with 15-18 year olds that hat anything can happen. The one thing that I know for sure is this Norcross team is good, really good and they have the most quality wins of ANyBODY in the state.
We will see in about 4 weeks what transpires, but I like Norcross’ chances versus anyone in 6A.
The Cross
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
11:06 am
Fred- I am aware of Grayson’s power in the box, but I also see a very good well coached O-line at Norcross who won’t be pushed around. We played South Gwinnett as well and our line is twice as good as theirs so no real value in comparing the two. We look forward to the challenge. I will say we played and beat Parkview unlike Grayson and I don’t care how many turnovers or penalties you had if you let that offense score 20, we will score 40+.
The Cross
Loren Maxwell
October 24th, 2012
11:35 am
@The Cross: “Norcross has beaten 6 teams in your top 25 and that should drive them to the top ranked team. Please throw away the Commodore 64 you are computing on and buy the IBM super computer”
Norcross has only beaten 5 teams in my top 25. Which computer are you using?
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
11:43 am
Loren-I am guessing that you aren’t including the win at Colquitt County which was a live preseason scrimmage. That makes 6.
Norcross is the best team in the State…adjust your rankings accordingly.
The Cross
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
11:58 am
Loren-I really want to help you differentiate your rankings by being able to say “Maxwell had Norcross first before anyone else” which will make you look genius when Norcross wins it all!
So please Loren help me help you…
The Cross
datguy
October 24th, 2012
1:22 pm
Why is TCC falling instead of going up the ranking chart… Be real! Central is one of the best team in Georgia!
Loren Maxwell
October 24th, 2012
1:42 pm
@The Cross: “I am guessing that you aren’t including the win at Colquitt County which was a live preseason scrimmage.”
No, I don’t recommend putting any weight into preseason scrimmage games. Sportsnut was using a 26-2 preseason 7-on-7 victory as evidence that Lovejoy was better than Colquitt County only to have Colquitt County win 14-7 in the regular season rematch (yes, I had to call you out sportsnut!).
My point being that preseason scrimmages are played for very different reasons that regular season games and coaches and players treat them differently.
Still, Norcross has had a great year and the ratings reflect that. They are, as Todd point out, only a fraction of a point behind Camden County and certainly in a position to jump ahead on any given weekend.
Loren Maxwell
October 24th, 2012
1:49 pm
@The Cross: “I really want to help you differentiate your rankings by being able to say ‘Maxwell had Norcross first before anyone else’ which will make you look genius when Norcross wins it all!”
But wouldn’t I then look foolish to all the Camden County folks if they win it all?!?
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
2:27 pm
Loren-Camden is not going to win it all…they play Norcross in the third round!
The Cross
jeff
October 24th, 2012
2:51 pm
Norcross is not even going to make it to the third round,have you forgot that they will be playing Grayson in the second round.
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
3:49 pm
No Jeff I didn’t forget. Did you forget that one of Grayson’s common opponents was Parkview? Norcross beat them 20-0. How did Grayson do against them?
Norcross is the best team in the state if Georgia!
The Cross
Camden74
October 24th, 2012
7:26 pm
The Cross……..Please, please, please take your meds! You know how out of control you get when you don’t! Oh, one more thing, who has the toughest defense Norcross has played this season?
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
8:25 pm
Camden74-Meds are taken and boy do I feel gooooood.
Best defenses so far would probably be in order:
1. Parkview
2. North Gwinnett
3. Colquitt County
Ok….Now here is your opening to tell me how much better Camden’s defense is.
The Cross
Columbia Blue
October 24th, 2012
8:28 pm
@ The Cross
I am a Camden Fan and I am sure Norcross has a very good team. Our Wildcats will worry about getting better each week. No trash talking will occur from Our Wildcats. Teams that have been there and done that know how to show class. I wish Norcross the best of luck. Maybe we will be lucky enough to play the best team in the State (Norcross). I am sure will will be very prepared.
Elementary My Dear Watson
October 24th, 2012
8:40 pm
The Cross……must say your funny, but also passionate about your Cross. I would think that Holcomb would make Camden at least a 14 point favorite vs your Cross, whether they play at Chris Gilman or the Cross. It’s…….Elementary My Dear Watson. Again, JJ Green, great interception last year vs Colquitt to ice the game.
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
8:45 pm
Columbia Blue-You might be the first Camden blogger that hasn’t trash talked. For that I respect you and the Camden County Wildcats. I will now call a truce until after the third round of the State playoffs. Please advise Camden74 about this truce and the duration. God Bless You, the Norcross Blue Devils and the United States of America.
The Cross
Columbia Blue
October 24th, 2012
8:51 pm
@ The Cross
Keith Maloof is a personal friend of mine. He is a great gut and a great coach. Best of luck to you guys.
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
8:52 pm
Elementary-If there is anyone in this great state that will give me 14 points and the Norcross Blue Devils against any team in this state including Camden then I am going to sell my equities, rental properties, baseball cards, spoon collection and place everything I own for NORCROSS to cover the +14. Thank you so much for the opportunity of The Cross Retirement Plan. If I were you I’d start getting your assets liquid. That is a SURE THING.
Norcross is the best team in the State of Georgia!
The Cross
Camden74
October 24th, 2012
9:30 pm
The Cross…….When did Norcross play Colquitt? By the way, I don’t think you’ll be able to keep your truce…….
Camden74
October 24th, 2012
9:35 pm
The Cross…..One more thing, there’s absolutely nothing I can say on this blog that can/will affect the outcome of any game. The game is won or lost on the field, by the players and coaches!
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
9:47 pm
Camden74- We played them on Auust 17 (our preseason scrimmage). It was live and we both played our starters through 3 quarters. We were winning after 3 quarters, their defense was fast but we put 33 on them in 3 quarters.
I will keep my truce unless you cause me to break it.
The Cross
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
9:48 pm
August 17-by live I mean we had refs, special teams and played like a regular season game.
GwinnettDad
October 24th, 2012
9:53 pm
@The Cross – Norcross gave up 41 points to Mill Creek and won by 8. Brookwood gave up 21 to Mill Creek and won by 10. Brookwood doesn’t have much of a defense this year. Doesn’t say much for Norcross D, does it? If, for a moment, anybody that thinks Norcross is the best team in Georgia right now, you have a lot of explaining to do, The most Camden has given up is 12, twice, and have given up fewer points this season (37) than Norcross did in one game. Glad that Norcross is doing so well, but you’re not helping them a bit, in my opinion. Anybody in the playoffs will look at what Mill Creek did, and know Norcross can give up 41 points.
GwinnettDad
October 24th, 2012
10:05 pm
So, if anybody had to bet their future on picking from two teams, one that has given up 37 points so far (in 7 games), and the other 112 (in 8 games), with the offenses being roughly equal, I wonder what that choice would be? Or, would there be any choice at all? Only if one has a fish in the fire, or wants to be on the longshot, which is OK. But it STILL has to be called a long shot. SOS is probably about equal, I’d think, too.
GwinnettDad
October 24th, 2012
10:13 pm
But it also would be terribly unfair to mention that last year Norcross lost 17-10 to a team in the first round of the playoffs it had beaten 35-7 in the regular season, so I won’t bring it up. Or that it’s been a long time since Norcross ever played more than 12 games in a season. So I won’t bring THAT up either. Probably isn’t very nice.
Camden74
October 24th, 2012
10:36 pm
The Cross……Seriously, a live scrimmage, you’re counting a live scrimmage?
Elementary My Dear Watson
October 24th, 2012
10:40 pm
The Cross……..Have you ever done stand up comedy in the great city of Norcross? If so, let me know the next date of your gig and I will try and stop in.
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
10:41 pm
Gwinnett-You obviously know a lot more than I do, but let me try to educate you if I may.
Number 1- Norcross was beating Mill Creek 38-14 midway through the third quarter. We called off the dogs, but Mill Creek caught fire scoring 21 points in 8 minutes on our second D. The game was never in jeopardy but I believed we learned our lesson there. We beat Parkview 20-0…does that mean our defense is far superior to Grayson’s who gave up 22 points? Your statement/argument borders on moronic.
Number 2-SoS is not even close. If you look at MaxPreps or Freeman, Norcross’s SoS is approximately 40% more difficult. We have beaten 5 teams in Maxwell’s top 25 and 6 if you count the win against Colquitt in our pre-season
Number 3-If you watched the Dacula game in last years playoffs, which I am quite positive that you did not…Norcross outgained Dacula by 75 more yards than we did in the 35-7 beating that we put on them in the regular season, but had three TD’s called back by phantom Offensive pass interference. The GHSA actually wrote Maloof an apology letter for what they called extremely questionable judgement calls in that playoff game.
I hope that you have been educated now GwinnettDad…I have said this before to a few other posters but you obviously have not read it. It is better to remain silent and appear ignorant than open your mouth and remove all possible doubt.
Goodnight dumb-dumb.
The Cross
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
10:47 pm
Camden74-Yes a live scrimmage. Anyone that was there knows that both teams were there to win it. No major substituting, no stops in play to coach, it was played just like a regular season game and the Colquitt faithful if they are being honest will say that Norcross won that contest. But even if we were not counting it, Norcross still has a higher strength of schedule no matter what metrics you choose.
The Cross
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
10:49 pm
Oh yes and Colquitt got all the calls go their way just like in a regular season home game.
Camden1902
October 24th, 2012
10:51 pm
@the cross…um…wow.
GwinnettDad
October 24th, 2012
10:53 pm
@The Cross – this dumb dumb has enjoyed the State Championship with Brookwood twice that Norcross has NEVER seen since AAAAAA or AAAAA or AAAA. 41 points. Laugh it off all you can. Stomped all over Norcross on the way to that 2010 championship too.
Do you know what it is to have proven yourself to be a stercoraceous coprophagous omphalopsychite? You’re going to have to be the one to look that up, that is, if you can.
Make sure the dictionary is unabridged, if you know what that means. 
For sure, if one sticks a pig, one sees how it squeals. Thanks for the bigtime oink. It was really very entertaining.
We’ll look for another one and done this year from a team that’s never gone anywhere, so that they have to pretend that a scrimmage matters. Geesh.
GwinnettDad
October 24th, 2012
10:58 pm
Actually, I was too generous with Norcross. They’ve never won a football State Championship even in the pee wee league ever. Maybe in the GFL in 8th grade before Vince Lombardi was born. We’ll let @The Cross brag about THAT, and how they won a scrimmage there too. Once.
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
11:04 pm
Camden1902- Why so dumbfounded? Is it the fact that you graduated in 1902 which would make you approximately 127 years old…which tells me you most likely just crapped in your Depends. Call nurse Ratchett in to clean you up and for God’s sake turn off your computer… An old man like you needs their rest.
Or maybe 1902 is the score on your two part SAT…19 on the math and 02 on the verbal which should put you in the top 10% down there. Nice work!
The Cross
Camden74
October 24th, 2012
11:06 pm
The Cross……I think it might be time to take your meds, again! You’re falling off the cliff, again! A scrimmage……
GwinnettDad
October 24th, 2012
11:15 pm
Future attractions for a particular Norcross fan: “Remember back when, Clem, durin’ the great Colquitt Scrimmage of ‘12? We whooped their fannies! You betcha! Biggest highlight! Love watchin’ them films, Clem! Was better than pickin up chicks at that Norcross bar and ridin’ that bull till I broke my face!”
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
11:17 pm
GwinnettDad-You continue to show your ignorance. It just so happens that this group won the GFL championship four years ago. Why you wouldn’t support a fellow Gwinnett program is beyond me. But if you want to continue this battle of wits I am certainly ready because so far you appear unarmed.
And frankly nothing that happened before this year is actually relevant as it relates to who wins the State this year. One thing is for sure, it won’t be your Broncos because they stink. We would put up 70 points on that porous D.
Thanks again GwinnettDumb-Dumb…I’ll consider this to be my community service for the day. It feels good to help the less fortunate. I don’t even know you but I am 100% confident that I am smarter, richer and much better looking.
The Cross
GwinnettDad
October 24th, 2012
11:23 pm
We’ll see if Norcross can shut down Peachtree Ridge better than Camden did 42-0. If they don’t, I’m sure they’ll be some excuse. There’ll ALWAYS will be some excuse. Count on it!
GwinnettDad
October 24th, 2012
11:26 pm
@The Cross, come on, son, you can do BETTER than that.
Camden74
October 24th, 2012
11:27 pm
The Cross……..Come on man! You expect to try and slip a scrimmage in as a legitimate game and not get criticized for it, what are you, 10? Take your meds!
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
11:30 pm
GwinnettDumb-dumb-I don’t need to make excuses…we are 8-0 and will be 9-0 after Friday. You on the other hand got beat by a Parkview team that we spanked 20-0. I don’t think they got a first down until the 3rd quarter. And also by a weak Walton team who is struggling to make the playoffs. The Broncos will be 6-4 at year end and Norcross will be 10-0. Why would I need an excuse for that Dumb-Dumb?
I know it’s a rough year for Brookwood but there is always next year. Don’t be so jealous of The Cross. You are embarrasing yourself.
The Cross
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
11:36 pm
Oh Camden74….I wasn’t slipping in a scrimmage for any other purpose than to discuss SoS and who we have beaten. You may not be as competitive as I am, but if it’s any kind of contest and they are keeping score I desire to win. So sorry.
Can’t wait to see you in round 3…I’ll make dinner. How do yopu like your crow? With or without stuffing?
Norcross is the best team in this state…and it is not even close.
The Cross
GwinnettDad
October 24th, 2012
11:38 pm
Norcross has lost 8 out of 11 to Brookwood, 21 out of 35 to Central Gwinnett, 20 out of 32 to Parkview, roughly split with South Gwinnett and Berkmar, and have beaten Meadowcreek 13 out of 14 of which I’m sure @The Cross is very proud.
Historically, Norcross is 291-253. Better than average. Barely.
I wish Norcross well, actually. It’s the fellow with the big mouth and bigger ego that detracts from their team this year. Too bad. Wonder if they’ll make the third round? I wonder if they’ve EVER made a third round?
And if anybody has to talk up a GFL championship, which is just Gwinnett, and just up to 8th grade, please don’t embarrass yourself further.
Camden74
October 24th, 2012
11:41 pm
The Cross….That’s a mighty big check you’re writing! You’d better hope Norcross makes it to the Dome. Otherwise, they’ll be naming a Crow Dish after you!
Fred
October 24th, 2012
11:47 pm
@The Cross – Made me laugh! Shame I don’t bet because that 40 point foolishness was so funny I laughed out loud! In our 145 game history only 3 teams have put up 40 or more on us and that was in 04 &05. Since 05, only 2 teams have put up 30 or more – Brookwood in 05 (37) and Colquitt in 10 & 11 (31 both years.) While I don’t bet I probably can find someone that would take that bet.
You put waaaay to much faith in the transitive property comparing teams’ common opponents. For every game/team you can show where it works I can show a combination where it didn’t work. At best you can only judge that team on that night. If you really want to carry through, let’s look at our other common opponent – South Gwinnett. You won 35-20, we won 41-0. See, there really isn’t a ton of validity in the comparison. Norcross has a good team this year. Enjoy it and try not to make a fool of yourself.
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
11:53 pm
GwinnettDumb-dumb-I was really just joking earlier, but as it turns out you are really dense. I only brought up the GFL championship because you made an erroneous post earlier and I was clearing up the fact that you are either ignorant to the facts or a liar, but either way you have ZERO credibility.
And then because your team stinks this year and Norcross has the best team in the State, you want to bring up 50 years of past records. It is not relevant dumb-dumb. I am surprised you are even up this late, I thought the chicken farms in Gainesville get started early.
Always next year dumb-dumb or just live in the past like you are doing now.
Norcross is the best team in the State.
The Cross
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
11:55 pm
Camden74-It is a BIG check…thankfully I am a wealthy man.
The Cross
The Cross
October 24th, 2012
11:58 pm
Fred-Glad I could make you laugh…but I am guessing that those voices in your head have something to do with your constant giggling.
Norcross is the best team in the State.
The Cross
yo
October 25th, 2012
12:07 am
And exactly what is a GFL championship? Girls football league?
Fred
October 25th, 2012
12:11 am
@The Cross – At least my voices keep me grounded in reality.
By the way, you don’t want to discuss the transitive properties of our other common opponent?
Fred
October 25th, 2012
12:12 am
@yo – Gwinnett Football League, the youth feeder program in Gwinnett.
Camden74
October 25th, 2012
12:14 am
The Cross…….When Norcross gets their heads peeled in the playoffs, I want you to be just as enthusiastic in eating CROW as you are now, posting this sewage, deal?
The Cross
October 25th, 2012
12:16 am
Fred-Let’s discuss in the morning…I am tired from beatimg up the dumb-dumb all night.
The Cross
The Cross
October 25th, 2012
12:19 am
Camden74-That’s a deal that I’ll make if you agree to eat a healthy serving of humble pie once my Blue Devils spank your Wildcats?
Deal?
The Cross
The Cross
October 25th, 2012
12:20 am
Camden74-Sewage? I prefer to think of it as Social Satire.
The Cross
Camden74
October 25th, 2012
12:36 am
The Cross……I don’t mind making that deal, because I’m sure I’ll never have to pay! I believe you went a bit beyond Social Satire. Next time, try “A Modest Proposal”………
raider nation
October 25th, 2012
6:31 am
Let’s not forget about Grayson,do we all have short memories just a month ago they were it,I have seen both of them play and Grayson has a better team.
eagle1
October 25th, 2012
8:22 am
Congratulations to the Northside Eagles for a great season so far! Continue to take care of business! We will do our talking on the field! IT’S GREAT TO BE A NORTHSIDE EAGLE!!!!!! GO BIG BLUE!!!
cchswildcat86
October 25th, 2012
9:31 am
Yeah Fred…I got a good laugh to…..I may not always agree with GwinnettDad, but one things for sure he isn’t a dummy….I think we have found Norcross’s BK….. lOl “a scrimmage” lol… As for Camden we will find out what they are made of over the next 3 weeks…
Lowndes folks how early does stadium open??
cchswildcat86
October 25th, 2012
9:31 am
does the
Fred
October 25th, 2012
11:10 am
@cchswildcat86 – That may be the nastiest thing I’ve ever heard you call anyone! :-O The voices in my head are making me giggle again.
TJ Morris
October 25th, 2012
11:37 am
Best Team in the state is them Northside Eagles now come on man.
cat doc
October 25th, 2012
6:36 pm
Norcross #1, now thats got to be somrone joking. Right?
NGHS 09
October 25th, 2012
7:07 pm
@ The Cross…Really you have to stop. Talk about football and quit being so ignorant. You have successfully become the new JAB.
NGHS 09
October 25th, 2012
7:12 pm
I take that back….you have created an entirely new category for yourself. It’s getting belligerent and you show no class. Mature or get off the blog…I made the transition, so it is possible.
NGHS 09
October 25th, 2012
7:31 pm
@ the Cross…Enough really is enough! I find it VERY hard to believe that you have been around football for over 30+ years (a lot of your comments are irrational). i.e. comparing wins and loses between teams, when someone who actually knows football understands that each game has its own dimensions that ALWAYS change between opponents throughout the season. There is no value in being so arrogant. You sound like a high school student fan or a wishful thinking college student fan. IF you have been around 30+ years…then you would have to be in your upper 30’s or mid 40’s at least. IF that is true, then you are one hell of a bad example to these respectable young men who play under the lights. You are a fully grown and experienced adult that verbally vomits on this blog like a 15 year old kid who thinks they know everything. You’re a mystery for sure, but no one has argued with you about the fact that Norcross is legit. Save yourself some time and save us all the BS…talk football or run your anonymous mouth elsewhere.
NGHS 09
October 25th, 2012
7:54 pm
@ the Cross…
“Number 1- Norcross was beating Mill Creek 38-14 midway through the third quarter. We called off the dogs, but Mill Creek caught fire scoring 21 points in 8 minutes on our second D. The game was never in jeopardy but I believed we learned our lesson there. We beat Parkview 20-0…does that mean our defense is far superior to Grayson’s who gave up 22 points? Your statement/argument borders on moronic.”
Actually his argument is fashioned from logic and rational thought process….not arrogance and boasting. Based on this comment you made, NG’s defense is BETTER than Norcross because we only gave up 28 to Mill Creek. To say that Parkview’s defense is THAT much better than Grayson’s (if even better at all) because Grayson turned the ball over FOUR times on their side of the 50 is “moronic”. I wonder what you would have said if your blue Devils had lost to Parkview with FOUR turnovers on your side of the 50. Save me the headache and just stop. Also, you claim that you rationalize your arguments based on the results produced on the field, but in reading your comments I find it utterly obvious that all you interpret are the NUMBERS. That is called a contradiction. You obsess over rankings that mean nothing, but claim that you rely on the “on-the-field” product. You CAN NOT compare scores to justify your argument on why you think Norcross is the best thing since sliced bread. I was at the MC vs. Norcross game, and Maloof panicked when MC started coming back. He put EVERYONE back in after MC’s second TD. Norcross held on for dear life. For anyone interested, google that game and watch for yourself. Your “logic” would imply that NG is actually better than Norcross because NG beat MC convincingly in the last 3 quarters. A problem with your “logic” though, we lost to ya’ll weeks before. See the problem? Regardless, you know everything with your “30+ year football experience” so I guess we will all have to agree…
camdenfan2013
October 25th, 2012
8:10 pm
cchswildcat. I heard you can’t get on campus until after 3. It’s gonna be the best game in the nation on next Friday. But let’s not look past Brunswick tomorrow night. At “The Cross”, can we enjoy the regular season first and worry about the playoffs when they get here.
Columbia Blue
October 25th, 2012
8:20 pm
@ everyone—You certainly cannot compare scores from previous games to validate your point. You can throw all the stats and scores out of the window. The only thing that matters is who is the best team come play-off time. Our Camden Wildcats have won in the playoffs; therefore I think experience in big games is paramount. What will the teams do when it is win or go home? Can they handle the pressure? All I can say is the Camden Wildcats will be ready come play-off time. No trash talking, just lining up and playing football. The last time we won the state championship the score was Camden 31 Northside Warner Robins 3. Many of our current seniors were part of that team. Our kids know what it means to play in big play-off games. Best of luck to everyone. Showing class on and off the field will never have anything to do with the final score. If I thought my team was as good as Norcross I would downplay their ability to win games. It is crazy to put a bulls-eye on your back. A lot of talk means you will have to put up or shut up. Teams that haven’t been there and done that have difficulty winning the big one.
NGHS 09
October 25th, 2012
8:41 pm
@ Columbia Blue…Agreed. Anyone with common sense would tell you that state titles come from experience and great coaching.
NGHS 09
October 25th, 2012
8:42 pm
* something that Norcross greatly lacks
First Down Creek!!!!
October 25th, 2012
11:55 pm
I think the ratings should only be for AAAAAA because there is an obvious slant showing their strength of schedule over all other classes. Truth is, Burke, Calhoun, Sandy Creek and Peach county are just a good as any in that class.
Camden74
October 26th, 2012
12:32 am
First Down Creek…..How do you prove your assumption?
Anything Can Happen
October 26th, 2012
1:52 am
hey who knew parkview would of beat grayson. It can happen. It can happen to Camden, It can happen Lassiter, it can happen to norcross. So aside the argument between ng09 , gwinnett dad etc. It’s not what happens regular season but what happens in the post. so what norcross gave up some points to MC. when they play that number 1 seed it wont matter.
GwinnettDad
October 26th, 2012
2:12 am
Thanks to the fellow that described ‘The Sauce’ as Norcross’s BK. Wish I’d thought of that. From now on, he’s ‘The Sauce’. Anybody with THAT swelled a head HAS to be on sumthin. Camden74 picked right up on that too. The little fellow is trying to BE somebody.
sportsnut
October 26th, 2012
9:15 am
How did my name come up and I am not in the conversation ? Sounds like you guy’s are having a ball though.
Camden74
October 26th, 2012
10:21 am
sportsnut……How could we possibly talk about Georgia HS Football and not mention you?
Todd Holcomb
October 26th, 2012
2:10 pm
”I think the ratings should only be for AAAAAA because there is an obvious slant showing their strength of schedule over all other classes. Truth is, Burke, Calhoun, Sandy Creek and Peach County are just a good as any in that class.”
These ratings compute scores. They don’t consider classification. I guess it’s all a matter of opinion, but I’d feel confident that the best four teams in AAAAAA would sweep those four you mention if they played 1-4 head to head. Burke, for one, has lost to a AAA team.
Tipp Smooth
October 26th, 2012
3:27 pm
Camden, lets go sink a Pirate ship. All in with the Wildcats..
We Will Never Know
October 26th, 2012
3:28 pm
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^Todd AAA/AAAA always trump AAAA
Todd Holcomb
October 26th, 2012
10:17 pm
Tucker gets turnover, cashes it. 28-13 over Miller Grove
Todd Holcomb
October 26th, 2012
10:17 pm
MLK 27, Stephenson 21
Todd Holcomb
October 26th, 2012
10:18 pm
Oops, I’m posting on the wrong blog. Getting late.