AAAAAA blog: Something old (Valdosta-Lowndes), something new (Johns Creek-West Forsyth) highlight schedule

Five things (games?) to watch this week in Class AAAAAA:

Lowndes at Valdosta – It’s Georgia’s best-known high school rivalry. Valdosta has won 34 of the 50 meetings, but Lowndes has won seven of the past eight. Shelby Wilkes, a senior, threw two TD passes in the final 50 seconds in a 21-17 Valdosta win that broke the skid in 2011. A Valdosta victory this year would be just as unexpected. Valdosta has lost to Class AA Brooks County and been blown out by No. 1 Camden County (43-6). Lowndes, meanwhile, is 6-0 and ranked No. 4, its only defining win a 17-14 victory over Colquitt County when the Lowndes defense was dominant. Lowndes is pretty simple – run the ball (the Vikings average 285 yards rushing per game) and play defense (they have 16 sacks and 10 interceptions).

Johns Creek at West Forsyth – Both are 5-0. Both opened in the past six years. Neither has won a region title. They are in Region 6. Watch the quarterbacks in this one. Johns Creek QB Skye Overton is 49-of-82 passing for 762 yards and five touchdowns and is the team’s leading rusher with 431 yards and 11 TDs on 70 carries. West Forsyth QB A.J. Erdely, who has committed to Middle Tennessee, has passed for 935 yards with six touchdowns and no interceptions and has rushed for 408 yards and five TDs.

McEachern at South Cobb – These are the only unbeaten teams in Region 4. McEachern (4-2, 4-0) has lost 2011 finalists Grayson and Walton. South Cobb (5-0, 3-0) is coming off a 27-26 victory over previously unbeaten North Cobb. South Cobb has won three region titles in its history – 1969, 1971, 2005. Another key game in Region 4 is Hillgrove (3-2) at North Cobb (4-1)

Norcross at Collins Hill – These are the remaining unbeaten teams in Region 7. Norcross is favored. RB Alvin Kamara (687 yards rushing, 110 carries, 10 TD) is Norcross’ marquee player, but QB Joseph Wilber is having a pretty nice year, too. He’s 71-of-99 passing for 1,044 yards and 12 touchdowns with only two interceptions. Collins Hill (4-1, 3-0) has won four straight since an underwhelming loss to Central Gwinnett in the opener. QB Brett Sheehan threw for 301 yards in the 41-10 victory over Peachtree Ridge last week.

North Gwinnett at Mill Creek – North Gwinnett beat Colquitt County and lost to Norcross. Both are Top 10 teams. But there seems to be an undercurrent of doubt at the Bulldogs (4-1, 2-1). If they’re not a legit Top 10 team, it could be exposed Friday at Mill Creek (4-2, 3-1). On the other hand, North Gwinnett has beaten Mill Creek six straight times, and it’s never been close.

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Sideline Dude

October 11th, 2012
9:45 am

Surely some reprecussions will befall Rush Propst in the wake of his latest rantings about the spygate incident. While the GHSA may not be held in the brightest light, it has spoken on this matter & Coach Propst’s accusation wasn’t upheld. Maybe it’s time for him to take his leave & circus elsewhere.

Heisenberg

October 11th, 2012
9:46 am

Will be interesting to see if Johns Creek is for real. And by proxy Milton. Johns Creek is undefeated against a schedule of teams with a combined winning percent of 36% with most of those opponent wins by 5-1 Milton. The only blemish Milton has is Johns Creek and their 5 wins are not against any highly regarded teams either.

Heisenberg

October 11th, 2012
9:59 am

Of the 5 wins West Forsyth has, the 2 notable wins would be against Flowery Branch & Gainsville who are both in a lower classification (8-AAAAA). So all we can say about Johns Creek at West Forsyth is one of them will be exposed as a pretender and the other will still be a question mark. And if West Forsyth beats Johns Creek, that also puts Milton in the pretender zone.

AVikingFan

October 11th, 2012
10:05 am

Todd Holcomb — Three of Lowndes first six opponents will be in the AAAAAA playoffs. Add Valdosta, Camden, amd Coffee and that will make 6 of our 10 regular season opponents in the 2012 AAAAAA playoffs. Two other non-region opponents we played may also make their playoffs. I think that’s also pretty “DEFINING”! How many teams can make this boast?

Suwanee 0wns

October 11th, 2012
10:22 am

Last year’s Division 1 AAAAA winner went out of the playoffs in the first round.

It is humorous to see our South Georgia friends continue to refer to a game that has become increasingly irrelevant as the “Winnersville Classic”. Maybe one of the 2 teams will make it out of the second round of the playoffs this year?

At least with Camden County in the region, the Division 1 winner may make it to the quarterfinals of the playoffs.

sportsnut

October 11th, 2012
11:19 am

I remember my post !

only a matter of time

October 11th, 2012
11:30 am

looks like all eyes in cobb will be on the s. cobb vs. mceachern match up. should be a good one.

grayram

October 11th, 2012
12:01 pm

aVIKINGFAN:

/31 Luella
9/07 Newton
9/14 Windsor Forest
9/21 Hardaway
9/28 At Colquitt County
10/05 Brunswick
10/12 At Valdosta
10/19 Coffee
10/26 At Tift County
11/02 Camden County

Camden and Colquitt are easy to pick out here as “defining games”
I don’t see where that matters much, you could pick pretty much any team you want and there are only going to be a couple of games on their schedule against “defining” teams. There are no regions that are more than three deep with these type teams so can we really judge teams because they haven’t played top tier teams.

Camden74

October 11th, 2012
12:38 pm

What am I missing with the South Cobb hype? :-)

JLS

October 11th, 2012
1:26 pm

Heisenberg. West Forsyth beat Gainesville and Gainesville beat Buford. So how if West wins will their be a question mark? By the way West made it to the Elite last year only to lose to Grayson.

Viking fan

October 11th, 2012
1:37 pm

AVikingFan—Don’t read into this too much until we put Camden in their place we will never be top notch in their eyes, in a way I like that especially since we play them right before the playoffs start…a good way to get into their heads, but enough of that we gotta get past the classic, Cats will always bring their A game and if you ain’t forgot about last year…..LETS GET IT VIKINGS

bksmith14

October 11th, 2012
1:47 pm

the vikings can lose fri night if we dont match the emotion valdosta is going to bring……..they just got beat 43-6 on their home field…….and they have had 2 weeks to be mad about it and prepare for us…..if we play sound football……and play like we did in colquitt…….the cats can be mad all they want………they will just get more mad by watching us eat clock and move ball up and down field all night……this viking team is better than last years……we arent “experimenting” as we were a lot last year….these boys know their rolls

ask colquitt if #21 nick burgam is pretty good at rb? ask them how good #2 tiquan lang is?

these are just 2 of many who valdosta will have to deal with fri night

the vikings have more than 10 ints…….also 17 sacks….not 16…we have 12 picks i believe

Heisenberg

October 11th, 2012
1:58 pm

Buford competes in AAA. Flowery Branch & Gainesville compete in AAAAA. West Forsyth resume against AAAAAA is incomplete considering the records of the AAAAAA opponents they have played. The back half of their schedule looks to be where they play better quality opponents in the same classification. The question mark comes from the the only quality win against a Milton team that also has beat nobody of note and given up a lot of points to teams with bad records. The schedule may not be their fault but that is what it is for now. Before the final game against Lambert, the question will be answered one way or the other.

AVikingFan

October 11th, 2012
2:23 pm

I hear ya, grayram. I was just messin with Todd!

You are 100% correct bk about Lowndes needing to stay focused and take intensity across town. Tuesday night at the radio show I told 21, 70, and 2 they would remember this game, and how they played, for the rest of their lives. They promised to relay that to the whole team. The guys are ready. They are pumped. They are excited. They are being coached this week to stay focused, to forget mistakes as soon as they happen, and be prepared for the next play. We want to hit’em in the mouth early! Our kids are spending an enormous amount of time with their position coaches, watching film, looking for tendancies.

Forget the records, forget how miserable Valdosta has played in two of their games. It WILL be a war.

Goooooooo Vikings

JLS

October 11th, 2012
2:40 pm

Heisenberg you are correct about one thing that it will be decided before the lambert game. Lambert will lose at least 2 games before they play West.

ALL TUCKERRED UP

October 11th, 2012
2:48 pm

Milton has made an upgrade. They are much better than last year!!!!

camcat07

October 11th, 2012
3:01 pm

Maybe people outside of the southern part of the state don’t care about the classic but that’s ok, because most of us don’t care about the “rivalries” in Gwinnet or Cobb. It’s only irrelevant to you and yours but to us in Region 1 its another region game that can shake things up or solidify them. BTW, Todd said it’s Georgia’s oldest rivalry not the most important… thanks for your concern.

Camden74

October 11th, 2012
3:06 pm

Suwanee Owns……..You have absolutely no sense of, nor respect for, Georgia High School Football or it’s History, if you don’t, can’t or won’t understand the fact that every time Valdosta High School plays a game, it’s important. The City of Valdosta is called Winnersville for a reason! They can boast of a football tradition and history that no other HS program in the country can or will ever duplicate! Regardless of what you say or think about Valdosta Football, you can’t change it’s history or it’s place in it. I am proud to say that the NEW Camden County High School won it’s first State Title against Valdosta on their home field. Also, their first Region 1, 6A victory was against Valdosta. What Valdosta and Lowndes have done is unprecedented! The Winnersville Classic should always get headlines. I respect all of Georgia HS Football, but especially Region 1, it just doesn’t get any better! :-D

Heisenberg

October 11th, 2012
3:12 pm

JLS, I must come clean. My motivation for taking a closer look at this game was to try to gauge how good Milton is. They are the biggest obstacle remaining for Lassiter to go undefeated and secure a #1 playoff seed. Lassiter is off this week and plays at Milton next week. The Milton resume thus far is a 5-1 record with the 5 wins coming against weak opponents and the 1 loss to Johns Creek. Thus the JC vs WF game could be used as a proxy for which to gauge Milton. So there is no bias towards either Johns Creek or West Forsyth as far as any earlier comments go.

From what I can tell Milton has a good running game which has not been tested by a defense the caliber of Lassiter, an unknown passing game as they have not had to rely on it much, and a shaky defense that allows twice as much points against weaker teams than Lassiter has.

VHScats

October 11th, 2012
3:24 pm

Any person who thinks the winnersville classic is not the best rivalry in the state is just plain dumb!

Todd Holcomb

October 11th, 2012
3:26 pm

Suwanee 0wns

October 11th, 2012
3:58 pm

Hi Camden74. I know all about that history. It was last century. Sure there are trophies in the case to show for it, but it really doesn’t matter now that we are in the 21st century. Knut Rockne was a great player too, but nobody talks much about him anymore.

Anybody who thinks the “Maybe We Will Make It To The Second Round – Classic” is still relevant, must be from Lowndes County.

Good luck to the Cats. Awesome team.

Camden74

October 11th, 2012
4:01 pm

Hey Suwanee Owns…..What’s your teams history? :-)

5-Time

October 11th, 2012
4:40 pm

Nice post Camden74!! Well said!!

57Cat

October 11th, 2012
4:47 pm

Thanks for the post Camden74. Kids today don’t respect history. SuwaneeOwns better be careful, those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it!

packerhart89

October 11th, 2012
4:58 pm

@suwanee how silly you sound saying those degrading remakds about how the winnersville classic is no longer important to georgia high school football. what kinda nonsense is that. this game is the biggest game in the state duing the regular season. 2 teams playing against eachother in the highest classification and in the toughest region in georgia.

no need for me to go on any more its very clear you are just a hater always 1 in every crowd and just so you know im from moultrie but still have tremendous appreciation for this game. maybe if your school had a game on its schedule that was this big you would understand it better.

prof. jess

October 11th, 2012
5:39 pm

Lowndes, can play good ball if Mcpherson can control his emotions, last year he allowed them to get in the way and was out coached by Gillespe. Valdosta will be ready to play the mind game and a lot of VIKING FANS COULD GO HOME SAYING WAIT UNTIL NEXT YEAR.

Camden74

October 11th, 2012
6:21 pm

5 Time, 57Cat…..Valdosta’s and Lowndes’ accomplishments in HS Football deserve respect, period! Thanks! :-)

LTrojan Fan

October 11th, 2012
6:36 pm

@Heisenberg…I am with you and follow your logic. Milton should be the only remaining test for Lassiter the remainder of the year. What is very unique about this game is that they both have 2 weeks to prepare for each other. Lassiter’s defense is not just good at stopping the run. The DB’s have stepped up big time…which was a complete surprise after losing 2 very good players to graduation. What will also be interesting will be how the Milton players handle Ryan Jenkin’s return. Will they let their emotions get the best of them? I have to say that this was a big issue the first time Lassiter played against Walton and Tyren Jone.

LTrojan Fan

October 11th, 2012
7:05 pm

@ All of the South GA guys…Although I do understand where you are coming from. This is sports. good teams come and go throughout all levels of sports. It is solely dependent on the players you have in your program today. That’s what I think we all like about High School football. In most cases, ( I will keep the “recruiting” word out of this discussion) you play with the players that you have in your program.The boys that are playing for the teams now want your 100% support. Which it appears that they have from you all. However, they mostly don’t care about what happened in the 70’s. They want to build something for themselves. They also don’t want to have to live up to the expectations of us old guys that remember how it “use to be”.

I know exactly how you feel too. You see, I played for a high school in south FL during the 70’s that won every regular season game we played my entire high school career and 2 state championships in those 4 years. Since that time, the school has also had 8 seasons that they did not win a single game. Those kids that did not win any games were playing for their own pride, not for all of us that use to play there.

All that to say that traditions are nice for us old folks to remember, but the players that will follow want to make their own traditions. Let’s not stand in their way by holding those traditions over their heads.

86Vike

October 11th, 2012
7:26 pm

I’m looking forward to the Winnersville Classic even if Suwanee Owns isn’t!!!!!

Camden74

October 11th, 2012
7:48 pm

LTrojan Fan……I see it a bit differently, past accomplishments can and do, in many cases, serve as a foundation for building and maintaining a strong program. Also, they can serve as an incentive for the younger players to play better and surpass old standards and create new ones……Go Camden County Wildcats! :-D

AVikingFan

October 11th, 2012
11:31 pm

Grayram and Fred, do ya’ll know this guy suwanneeownz? I wonder exactly what does he “own.” He certainly owns being spiteful and mean. I should say “co-owns” along with EagleNationRising. He’s probably a disillusioned Peachtree Ridge fan. Mad at the world because GHSF Daily picks them in the preseason top 5 or 6 every year, only to watch them stumble AND COME APART.

The Winnersville Classic will have more fans in attendance than any two games suwanneeownz will attend. And this game has been on ESPN and other national networks more than any rivalry in the state. How can he or anyone say it’s becoming inconsequential?

Thanks for the support Camden74 and others, especially packerhart89!

yo

October 11th, 2012
11:56 pm

AVikingFan if suwanneeownz is a Peachtree Ridge Fan then he owns the term you have been Peachtree Ridged. If he is a North Gwinnett fan then the way Lowndes owned them in a certaing game we could just as easily change the term Peachtree Ridged to North Gwinnetted.

Condidering the outcome of both of those games it is easy to understand why he likes to forget the past and just hope their will one day be a future.

oldsarge99

October 12th, 2012
7:58 am

To be honest, there is no bigger game in the nation this weekend than the Winnersville Classic. Some of the best High school football in the nation is played in Lowndes County Georgia. Sometimes the team records just don’t matter. Just imagine if Lowndes and Valdosta were merged. I grew up in an era when Valdosta High was the BEST TEAM in the nation every other year. It’s sad to see that isn’t true anymore but time marches on. So let’s just enjoy one of the finest traditions that high school has to offer.

TItletown USA

October 12th, 2012
8:45 am

Suwanee is a hater..plain and simple. If you just take a look at sheer number of past Winnersville classic players on college rosters, (Malcolm Mitchell, Mike Gilliard, Josh Harvey Clemons, Jay Rome UGA, Tyler Hunter, Telvin Smith, Gerald Demps, FSU, Gerald Orto UT, M Wakfield FL Atlantic, and that is just a few) you can easily see the importance on this game on many levels.

I am thinking that in the long term they will be forced to even the population disparity at both schools, you will see a reemergence of a dominant football movement…right now, Lowndes has the beef(OL/DL) and Valdosta has the skillet(skill players)

AVikingFan

October 12th, 2012
9:02 am

Well said Chip Saye, Titletown, YO, OldSarge, and Camden74. There were more people at the Lowndes bonfire last night than attends most games in Suwannee or Gwinnett County. It took over an hour to empty the parking lot afterwards! There were more people there than Parkview had on their side of the field in the 2004 State Title game! Heck, Lowndes has almost as many people in their band as Stephenson had on their side of the stadium last year in the playoffs against Lowndes.

Tonight will be an atmosphere like Suwannee can only dream about. And NO SIR, it has not deminished in interest or importance!

blue cat11

October 12th, 2012
9:59 am

Good luck to both teams (Lowndes & Valdosta) in the greatest show on earth in high school football! I’m just sorry that I want be able to watch all the excitement from the stands which will be rocking tonight in Valdosta.

Lambert ... TBD

October 12th, 2012
9:59 am

I’m all about Lambert and love this game!
Here are the facts … Lowndes, Camden and Parkview have won 3 state championships each at AAAAA during the 21st century … The facts show that Region 1 is dominate.

Camden, Valdosta, and Lowndes consistly are in the 3rd round to championship.

Go Lambert … Let’s try to build a tradition that could only begin to touch these schools and many will be proud!

Lambert ... TBD

October 12th, 2012
10:14 am

Hard to tell how we are as well … Our opponents total records are 11-16, and tonight we play Centennial (0-5)

Then what our remaing opponents records should be when we play them… Johns Creek (5-1), Alpharetta (4-3), Chattahoochee (4-4) then our big rival … West Forsyth (9-0) … So yes … We could have 2 losses before West.

Go Lambert Longhorns!

blue cat11

October 12th, 2012
10:18 am

Lambert…TBD…Thanks for the nice comments concerning Region 1. Camden is very proud to be talked about in comparison to Valdosta, Lowndes and Parkview who have made an indelible mark in high school football history. We at Camden are still trying to build a great and lasting program. But things can change drastically as we all know. Good luck to Lambert and their future goals!

5-Time

October 12th, 2012
10:27 am

The “WINNERSVILLE CLASSIC” Ranks in the Top 3 in H.S. Rivalries!! Nuff Said!! » http://highschool.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=866242

grayram

October 12th, 2012
11:14 am

aVIKINGFAN: No i don’t know the person.
I think everyone appreciates the history of the Valdosta football team. I know there have been many times when i have been doing a little trash talking with my friends in Florida that i have “claimed” Valdosta to one up them. I understand the game is huge to the fans in the region and certainly with the Cats winning last year proves anything can happen. Still i think the odds of Lowndes losing this game are very very small.

Lambert TBD, i think you are incorrect, I don’t remember Valdosta being consistently in the 3rd round to the championship.

Yo: I guess the folks at Collins Hill would call it being Lowndsed?

As for attendance i have to assume you mean more fans than at any one Gwinnett county game. There are quite a few more than two schools in Gwinnett County. Maybe Todd or Chip could tell us on average how many tickets to high school football are sold county by county.

Titletown USA

October 12th, 2012
11:29 am

Did Collins Hill roll over Lowndes or was it a hard fought game that was won on hard play? I may be incorrect but I think that term refers to when a team either wins real big or a complete upset and I am almost certain that neither was the case with the Collins Hill win over Lowndes…i might be wrong though.

57Cat

October 12th, 2012
11:29 am

That’s a good question, Grayram. It would be interesting to find out, on average, how many Gwinnette County fans attend a football game on Friday nights. I was at the North Gwinnette stadium for the Valdosta – North Augusta game. They have a nice facility. Do all the Gwinnette County teams, especially those in 6A,have similar stadiums?

grayram

October 12th, 2012
11:48 am

57cat Some have older stadiums but im pretty sure every school has its own field, no sharing.

Titletown USA: It was a close very good game. I think that it was probably considered a pretty big upset, especially in Lowndes County. I was just stirring my friend Yo up a little.

96Plowboy#27

October 12th, 2012
12:38 pm

@ Suwanee 0wns…..it’s clear to me that you don’t know what “PRIDE & TRADITION” mean. the WINNERVILLE CLASSIC is the essence of those 2 words mentioned before. Tell the players that will be playing in that game that it doesn’t mean something & see the reaction you get. I played in 5 of them, & unfortunately lost all 5 but this CLASSIC still means alot. You talk about the has beens that played, well guess what we’re apart of that “TRADITION” & we still carry the “PRIDE” with us to this day. I beg of you to go & find a sense of Pride & Tradition for yourself, until then don’t down talk the best high school rivalry in the state of GA.

No offense to :
TCCHS / THS
NSWR / WR
Parkview / Brookwood

96Plowboy#27

October 12th, 2012
12:50 pm

@Suwanee Owns…..Winnersville Classic a thing of the past, not relevant today in high school football? Check this out>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
This week is anything but normal. This is the Winnersville Classic, where the game was sold out by lunch time on Wednesday and where fans call in sick from work just to tailgate the entire day.

With all 11,500 seats in Valdosta’s Bazemore-Hyder Stadium filled for tonight’s game…….

nukieie

October 12th, 2012
1:11 pm

VHS even brought in bleachers for the endzone to seat the 450 member band yestersday?

yo

October 12th, 2012
1:39 pm

grayram not to worry. I had the same thoughts as TitletownUSA and your comment just brought a little smile to my face.

Regarding attendance and counties.
No doubt the 1,000,000 in population of Gwinnett will put a bigger amount of people in the stands
in the stadium than the little old 100,000 population of Lowndes, but lets put it this way.

On a low attendance Friday night in Lowndes county with both teams playing at home
I feel reasonalbly safe in saying there is around 20,000 in attendance if the visiting teams
don’t bring many people. That would be 1 in every 5 people in Lowndes county at a football game.

Based on that calculation I truly believe if the stadium were big enough we would put 25,000 in attendance at this game tonight. That would be about 25% of the whole population of Lowndes/Valdosta.