AAAAAA blog: Can a team that allows 42 points win a state title? West Forsyth wants to know

A week ago, we asked if a passing team could win Georgia’s highest classification. Lassiter is ranked No. 2 with a QB chasing the state record for career passing yards.

This week, we ask if a team that gives up 42 points in a game can win a state title. The subject is West Forsyth, which played one of the most exciting shootouts of the 2012 season Friday in defeating Alpharetta 63-42.

Alpharetta QB Joshua Dobbs was 32-of-53 passing for 514 yards and five touchdowns in a 63-42 loss to West Forsyth. According to the Georgia High School Football Historians Association, this is only the eighth time that a Georgia passer has thrown for more than 500 yards in a game.

And his team lost.

West Forsyth QB A.J. Erdely (6-4, 205) rushed for 189 yards and a touchdown on 15 carries and was 9-of-16 passing for 159 yards. His 51-yard pooch punt in the final minutes of the game ended a streak of 19 consecutive possessions in which West Forsyth had scored.

West Forsyth is averaging 44.8 points, 302 rushing yards and 168 passing yards per game. The Wolverines are allowing 25.0 points per game, although they’ve faced two great offenses in Gainesville (QB going to Clemson) and Alpharetta (QB going to Arizona State).

A year ago, West Forsyth made the quarterfinals and lost to Grayson 33-7.

Can a team like this win a state title?

Reminder: Brookwood allowed 38 points twice in 2010 and won a title, once in the state championship game. The other was in two overtimes.

34 comments Add your comment

sportsnut

September 25th, 2012
10:17 am

No. Defense is a must. On both sides of the field. The offensive numbers may be great but playing D is a priority. What happens when you face that team that has a stout D ? Can you then score enough to win ? Giving up 42 in most cases means a loss. Can your D stop the opponent from scoring 42 as well ? This is a subject that has many intangibles to it’s answer. Bottom line, the answer, this year is no. Many in South Georgia have the Idea that no D is being played in North Georgia and I agree. Especially among the teams given so much press in this publication. There are teams that play D but are not given a chance to make it far in the playoffs. Offense sells tickets, (it also gets you coverage) Defense wins Championships.

Just ask UGA's backup QB...

September 25th, 2012
11:08 am

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Just ask UGA's backup QB...

September 25th, 2012
11:09 am

…Hutson Mason, about not having a defense when he was in HS…

Camden74

September 25th, 2012
2:06 pm

What happens to these high powered offensive teams when they run up against a stout defense? They can’t move the ball as easily as they did in previous games. Frustration sets in, they panic, game over! Seems like the only team in the Metro Atlanta Area that practices defense is Grayson! :-)

KeithB

September 25th, 2012
3:55 pm

They need to stop going to the prevent when they get an early lead. I think they have the pieces on D to stiffen up. Their down 3 need to get closer to the LOS. I don’t think they can win a state title unless they tighten it up considerably. I’d love to see it though.

sportsnut

September 25th, 2012
4:12 pm

@ Camden74 == Lovejoy plays D. Plays it pretty good too ! Ask Cole Seagraves, Colquit county. Ask Josh Dobbs, Alpharetta. Ask all of AAAA from a year ago. Eight starters from last years squad are back. Colquit , a pre-season favorite to win it all vs a team many thought could not play with the “Big Boys”, had to resort to trickery(which is part of the game) to score and win a game. Tackle eligible and a reverse. 14 pts. Alpharetta came in with a highly touted QB and an outstanding reciever and score 24 but gave up 43. The same Alpharetta that scored 42 but gave up 63. To sum it all up, Lovejoy plays D.

WTG49

September 25th, 2012
5:01 pm

@ Todd Holcomb…THANKS!! Now, let the debate begin… :-)

sportsnut

September 25th, 2012
5:27 pm

My bad == “outstanding receiver”

WILDHAWG2012

September 25th, 2012
8:40 pm

@sportsnut=Why do you keep talking about what your defense did in moultrie but fail to mention that you defense gave up more points than ours.I mean i know why you talk about us so much but i didn’t want to say it but you always talk about us only because we are the only team on your schedule that really had the ajc’s attention for one friday only.You had your shot and we know what happened so thats a thing of the past. all u can do is wait till playoffs and hope u get another shot at revenge but becareful what u wish for.And FYI we are still a favorite to win it all. Now on a more important matter Lowndes we waiting!!!!!!!!!!!!!

toofunny

September 25th, 2012
9:01 pm

@ sportsnut you have a great defense @ lovejoy but that game against alpharetta was marred with horrible calls by refs. that even parents from your on school felt that the Alpharetta kids were getting the short end of the stick. When the parents working the concession stand apologize for how the game is called then you know its bad. The calls did not win you the game but darn sure kept you around long enough for your offense to wake up. Y’all are ready to be in 6A and compete but not ready to be considered an elite team in the class until you prove it on the road against a legit contender away from the “hometown treatment” . Unfortunately Alpharetta has one of the most dangerous offenses in the state but their defense has a long way to go before we can consider ourselves contenders.

Camden74

September 25th, 2012
9:47 pm

sportsnut……I think you might want to wait a bit before putting Lovejoy in the Class of Champions. Get through a season in Class 6A first or otherwise you might get that BITTER taste of CROW, again! :-)

57Cat

September 26th, 2012
12:46 am

Maybe if they play Colquitt, but not if they play Camden or Grayson.

sportsnut

September 26th, 2012
7:38 am

@ WILDHAWG2012 == That goes without saying. Your team won 14-7. Everyone knows that. You are correct about my reason for talking about your team, partly. I was really responding to Camden74 and others in reference to no D being played in North Georgia. We will be waiting for the playoffs to meet another team from South Georgia so we can do what we did last year and that is to play for the Crown in the Dome.By the way, Colquit was not the team I expected. Not as good. @ toofunny == The Alpharetta game was just as it was, a win for the Cats. I would like to know how our parents made comments from the concession stand when the people in there are not our kids parents. Our concession stands are run by an outside company contracted by the county. We at the schools have nothing to do with that. We are not like you with booster clubs that run such things. There is no officiating organization in Clayton County. They are also contracted by the county through the state. Alpharetta’s offense was not that hot. They only have Dobbs and Burse, not much else. @ Camden74 == You guys need to get through a season of playing competition worthy of validation. The region you played in before was by far the weakest in the state for years on end. I guess everyone in 6A has been there a long time and we need to build up to that level.(yeah, right). Come to think of it, after watching all the flags fly in Moultrie, crow was no longer on the menu. The schools in Region 1-6A seem to have this idea that you are elite. Nothing could be father from the truth. I have not delved in this conversation because Lovejoy has not won a state title but it is almost immpossible to stay away from it with this pedestal that some have put themselves on. According to my memory, the title has resided in North Georgia for quite a while now. There are always complaints from down south about something relating to football but overcoming those issues are seemingly out of reach. Validate you greatness with a title before you continue to make claims of superiority in the present day.

sportsnut

September 26th, 2012
8:02 am

“impossible”, not that other word. Hey, WILDHAWG == Did you not read my post? It clearly states that Colquit scored 14 in a win. Does that not qualify as acknowledging how many points we gave up ?If not, I will see you in remedial class on sunday!

Wildcats#1

September 26th, 2012
11:17 am

Everybody keeps talking about Lovejoy not playing in the ranks of 6A. NOBODY has played in the ranks of 6A to be accurate. and to those who follow GA HS football would know that when Lovejoy was in 5A in 1998-2005 they were constantly in the top in in the state. NOT just 5A. BUT THE STATE!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they have played competition. Coach Hughes at Lovejoy knows about competition. this is not their first rodeo. Get over yourselfs South Georgia.

Camden74

September 26th, 2012
11:32 am

sportsnut………You’re right, Lovejoy hasn’t won a football title yet! When they do, then maybe you can put THEM on a pedestal and talk smack…….. As far as the weak region thing is concerned, tired of talking about it, check out Camden’s trophy case! :-D

Wildcats#1

September 26th, 2012
12:33 pm

Just curious… how many state titles has Camden won. and what year did they start playing football???

border dweller

September 26th, 2012
1:24 pm

HS Football, where , on any given night, almost anything can happen….just ask Grayson. Still, a stout D seems to outweigh an explosive O, especially when the finals roll around… NSWR 3, Camden 31. Just sayin’.

border dweller

September 26th, 2012
1:47 pm

@Wildcats #1:

In 1950, a few years before Camden started playing football, Lowndes had 35, 000 people, Camden had 7,300. In 1980, Lowndes had 68,000 and Camden had 14, 000. In 2010 Lowndes had 110,000, and Camden had 50, 000. Lowndes has 2 high schools, Camden has one, and over the past decade, when the the population per school has equalized and stabilized, Camden has 3 state titles, Lowndes has 3 state titles, and your storied, vaunted Valdosta Wildcats have exactly ZERO state titles. What’s your point again?

WTG49

September 26th, 2012
2:36 pm

Not sure how we got off Todd’s topic here…but I’m still not convinced that a stout D outwighs an explosive offensive. Because even though as they say “Defense wins championships” that defense isn’t on the other side of the ball scoring the points…so, at the end of the day both sides of the ball needs to be successful…which is what you have with West Forsyth See ya in the final bbooyyyzzz :-)

Camden74

September 26th, 2012
4:46 pm

Wildcats#1………Camden has 4 State Titles. The first was won in 1960 by Ralph J.Bunche, the next 3 were won in 2003, 2008 and 2009 by the Camden County Wildcats. After consolidation, 1970, the Camden County Wildcats have had 1 losing season, record wise…….Any more questions? :-D

Wildcats#1

September 26th, 2012
5:20 pm

@border dweller just so you know. I am a LOVEJOY Wildcat… and to Camden74 just a simple question because Lovejoy started in 1993 playing football and has been a power in Clayton County ever since. Camden has played in very poor divisions as well as Lovejoy is now. Only time will show. Camden didnt start becoming relevant again until 2003. but with all that aside. Camden IS a very VERY good team. very deserving of props. but dont discount the Wildcats of Lovejoy. We have ALWAYS been a very scary team to play.

Camden74

September 26th, 2012
6:12 pm

Wildcats#1…….Camden has pretty much played in all classifications and has always had winning teams. But Camden no longer has just winning teams, they now have a Championship Program. That’s the step Lovejoy still has to take. IMO, it won’t be this year! :-D

sportsnut

September 26th, 2012
8:01 pm

@ Camden74 == If and when we do win a championship, I;m not sure we will put ourselves on a pedestal. We will accept it with grace and be proud of the accomplishment but never think we are superior to anyone other than for that year, we were the best. A winner knows how to win just as he knows how to lose and get back up and try again. @ Border Dweller == Population has alot to do with high school football. Last season, there was talk about the amount fo fans each team drew for the championships. Everyone needs to know that one of the reasons Lovejoy seemed to have a smaller amount of fans is that Lovejoy is a small town of only slightly over 6,ooo people. We are not Buford or Tucker or any larger city. We are few in numbers. We do, however, support our football team. @ Wildcats#1 == It has been told by me that we played 6 of the last 10 years in the highest class but I guess memories are selective. Keep up the good work of letting people know who we are and from the play of the Cats from the last 2 years, as the saying goes, ” I think they hear us coming”.

Camden74

September 26th, 2012
11:00 pm

sportsnut……..Until you have something to back up all of your conversation, that’s all it is, conversation! It would probably help if the coaches and players at Lovejoy understood that games are not won on athletic ability alone……..You are no longer in 4A :-)

sportsnut

September 26th, 2012
11:57 pm

@ Camden74 == What does that mean ? You are no longer in 5A. If you want an honest assesment of the program at Lovejoy, go to the GHSF Historians Association and look us up. The most glaring spot in our history is when Mundys Mill opened and it cost us half our talent as they opened not 5 miles away. Do your own assesment and then talk to me about what you need to see as to wheather or not we belong in the ” conversation”

battleaxekid

September 27th, 2012
12:51 am

Hadn’t even heard of Lovejoy until last years defeat in the dome.. Too many issues for lovejoy to overcome this year for them to be competitive in 6a A at least this year, IMO Lovejoy is overrated for their 1st year in 6a …….mean no disrespect meant at all..
Sure gave CC a great game, and had a way to come also. This isn’t the same CC teams last year. and hey are also overrated too.. and still early in the season

Lookin at Lovejoy’s region and looks like they got a shot at winning their region this year..
WF may even win their region, don’t know that much about them either..

It sounds like AJC is running out of 6a blogs topic, don’t see this one being relevant but for 2 teams…

AJC has had some good blogging topics this year.. Thanks AJC for the time and the space you give all our Ga. high school teams.. Thanks again…..

sportsnut

September 27th, 2012
8:28 am

@ Battleaxekid == If you only heard of Lovejoy in the finals, you a not a follower of high school football. The rest of the state knew, why didn’t you ? Tell me now, what are these “issues” ? Also, when will people(including you) realize that this is 6A’s first year of existence. That means that no one else has played in it either. No one ! This blog is relevant to many and really all the teams. Every team playing must play D. You feel that LHS is overrated, thats strange because I think all of the top teams other than mine is overrated. Just my opinion and you are entitled to yours. Since you never heard of us, I do not put much stock in your opinion . Do a little homework before you come here and turn it in.

sportsnut

September 27th, 2012
9:33 am

@ Battleaxekid == Given your handle, I assume you are a Lowndes Viking. Just to let you know that there is a little history between Lowndes and Lovejoy. They have played 3 times. Lowndes won in 99′ in a second round game by the score of 27-0. They met again in 02′, also in the 2nd round and Lowndes taking this one 35-21. The most recent meeting came in 02′ in a first round game with Lovejoy taking it 43-3. So you see, there is much to be learned.

Colquitt Fan

September 27th, 2012
10:01 am

Another thing you forget about Lovejoy defense is how immature and undisciplined they are. Lovejoy played a good game no doubt, but we get better as the season goes and we have played the toughest schedule in the state. You’ll find out Friday what Colquitt has battleaxe, Lowndes beating their chest and have played 4 jv teams

sportsnut

September 27th, 2012
12:34 pm

@ Colquit Fan == I hope we meet again. Click – Clack………….

Colquitt Fan

September 27th, 2012
6:01 pm

Lol click clack? How cute.

sportsnut

September 29th, 2012
5:16 pm

@ Colquit Fan == Lowndes footsteps made a cute sound, “click clack”

AVikingFAN

September 29th, 2012
11:06 pm

The question in this blog, as I read it, is: can a team win the title if it also gives up 42 points in a regular season game? Personally I think NO. And I also think West Forsyth could not beat more than one team in region 1-AAAAAA, and would also be in the lower tier of teams in Regions 7-AAAAAA AND 8-AAAAAA, as well as in McEachern’s region. But time will tell.