Milton coach miffed over Mann’s ejection; Georgia signee can’t play in semifinals for final

Carrollton – Milton star point guard Charles Mann can’t play in the Class AAAAA semifinals or finals for being ejected during Milton’s 80-58 victory over North Gwinnett on Saturday, and his coach, David Boyd, doesn’t agree with how officials handled either of the two technical fouls that effective ended Mann’s season.

Mann – a University of Georgia signee – and North Gwinnett freshman Kamaran Calhoun sparred for position during an inbound play in the first half, and a double-technical was assessed. The play appeared insignificant until the second half, when Mann got free for a dunk. He was called for taunting after scoring the basket that gave Milton a 42-35 lead with 6:14 left in the third quarter.

The second technical led to an automatic ejection and a two-game sit-out penalty, per Georgia High School Association rules.

”He didn’t point a finger, he didn’t jaw at him, he just looked at him,” Boyd said of the second technical. “I don’t understand. If you’re yelling at somebody, I get it, but [a technical for] looking at a player seems awfully harsh. It’s excessive. In the elite eight, that’s a tough call.”

The first technical didn’t sit well with Boyd, either.

”I thought the first call could’ve been simply a double foul,” Boyd said. “You foul. You foul. Ball on the side. Go from there.”

Milton is 26-4, but three of the losses were early-season forfeits that overturned victories when it was ruled the Mann, a transfer from Union Grove, had not yet moved legally into the Milton district. Not counting the forfeits, Milton is 25-0 with Mann in the lineup.

Milton is playing in its fourth straight final four. The North Fulton school was runner-up in 2009 and 2011 and champion in 2010.

88 comments Add your comment

Yeeeeahboii

March 3rd, 2012
11:18 pm

Could be a little bit of karma for Milton…

Slinger

March 3rd, 2012
11:33 pm

My coach taught us to play with class, to win with class and to lose with class. Simple enough.

The Truth

March 4th, 2012
12:52 am

The bottom line is that Mann and Shaq have been jawing and taunting other players all year after they make nice plays, and they get away with it because Coach Boyd let’s them do it. He has no class as a coach. When Chris Bolden fouled out he held up five fingers and stared right at Bolden. What coach does that to a kid who just played a heck of a game. He is a terrible example for our kids. Love the talent that Milton has put together and they are fun to watch.

Joe

March 4th, 2012
1:06 am

The play should be reviewed and and no more than a one game suspension should be enforced. The referee who called the second technical looked like he was 14 years old.

Dawg

March 4th, 2012
1:21 am

Sounds like a win at all cost situation at Milton. Recruiting, Running up a score, deficient attitude and allowing players to have poor sportsmanship. I guess the old saying the players play as they are coached is appropriate.

Northfan

March 4th, 2012
1:34 am

The referees let the game get out of hand. The classless coach Boyd told his boy to come out and play dirty and refs allowed this to go on. Why would’nt the Milton boys feel empowered to play that way. Regardless, Milton played together as a team, unlike North team whose coach relies solely on one player Bolden to play against 4 D1 prospect. How can you have a big man on your team never use him. Come on man!

Ga BBALL Fan

March 4th, 2012
7:20 am

The funny thing is Boyd isnt a very good in game coach.

northmom

March 4th, 2012
7:40 am

Milton acted like a bunch of thugs. They pushed, pulled, and taunted the north players all night. they could easily rely on their talents, but choose to jaw instead. Their coach seemed to encourage that behavior. I’m proud of how classy the north boys responded.

Snowman

March 4th, 2012
8:03 am

Hopefully for some of you at the game realize BOTH teams were doing the pushing, pulling, and taunting. The refs should have taken control of the game in the first 30 seconds, but didn’t and let it get out of hand. If you were at the game, how could you not see Bolden taunting the Milton kids, #12 coming off the bench at a timeout and taunting the Milton kids. Did the Milton kids taunt, yes they did. But both teams did it the whole game. Bolden ran up to one of the Milton kids holding 3 fingers in his face after one of his amazing shots, but no call there and give a T to the Mann kid for just looking? Not a great way to excerise your control as an official. Both coaches should have said more to their own kids to stop the crap and just play.

Tigersball

March 4th, 2012
8:21 am

Boyd is an embarrassment to Milton and high school sports in general. Hid leadership (lack there of) is what is wrong with youth sports. He promotes and does a great job preparing his kids “thug” behavior attitude that they can carry on to college and that exactly why I no longer watch or follow college or pro basketball any longer.

just a guy

March 4th, 2012
9:01 am

I was at the game last night and thought it got out of hand early… the Milton players were only responding to the (usual) thug play of North Gwinnett… I have reffed at North Gwinnett 6 times this year and all levels and if you look at the scorers book you will see a distinct pattern (number of fouls). This agressive, bad boy behavior is promoted by the coaching staff…. and as for Coach Boyd… he is a gentleman and a scholar and …Oh Yeah… a Winner…. and he has the hardware from several different teams to prove it… Great Game coach

DevilFan

March 4th, 2012
9:16 am

Karma hurts doesn’t it Milton. What about 2 years ago when the ref called a foul with no time left on the clock at the Norcross game and allowed 2 free throw shots to be made with no time on the clock? You weren’t whining then. And what big man does North Gwinnett have? The one that’s 6′8 and can’t catch a pass or make a lay-up? I wouldn’t go to him either. There’s a reason why he isn’t committed to a college. Let’s go Alpharetta!

BBall Fan

March 4th, 2012
9:18 am

Great game on both sides. Someone had to win and someone had to lose.

Snowman

March 4th, 2012
9:50 am

Do you know Boyd? Have you ever talked to, or watched the kids he has coached? Have you ever gotten to know the kids he has coached? I can tell you from past experiences that he provides the discipline and leadership to all of his players. Have you ever heard of any of his players getting in trouble? Didn’t think so. He makes them “toe the line” so to say, makes them behave in school, get the grades, and puts them in great schools. You have no idea what this man does for his players. I wouldn’t be the first one to throw stones.

Joe

March 4th, 2012
10:19 am

Referee Alert!!

I will not mention his name although I really want to, however the referee who called the 2nd technical on Mann last night was from Gwinnett!!! He is from Lawrenceville,GA which is right below Suwanee, which is where North Gwinnett is located. On top of that, he is 25 years old. Why is he refereeing state tournament games? Obviously the GHSA didn’t tell him to make a call, but they are not supposed to allow referees to officiate games where there could be bias or affiliation with either team competing.

just a guy

March 4th, 2012
10:19 am

Thanks Snowman… you are absolutely right…. These negative comments are being made by people who don’t know Coach Boyd… He would and have never promoted poor behavior by his kids… on or off the court….His players and their parents respect the job he does with these kids…. just ask them…not just at Milton… go to Berkmar and talk to the parents and players who know him… they know… and while there admire the State Champion banners… You want to see a program that is failing to do the things it should…promote good sportsmanship, hard work and excellence …. just go NORTH…..

Ann

March 4th, 2012
1:57 pm

@ Snowman and @ Just a Guy – By any chance did you see the Milton/Roswell regular season game when Coach Boyd himself taunted the Roswell coach, later in the game? I have seen quite a few Milton games, along with other teams in the North Fulton/Cobb area and I do not have any alliance with any particular team, just enjoy watching good basketball. Usually Coach Boyd looks fairly reserved and professional during games, but at one point, in that game, after his players did a great play and dunk and his team was ahead by 25 points or so, Coach Boyd did something quite strange that is a little hard to describe. In response to the dunk, he immediately turned directly towards the Roswell coach and did a big leap, fist pumping, full body jig/dance type move, swinging both arms. It was certainly seemed like a “shove that” taunting towards the Roswell coach. I can only assume there must be some animosity between those coaches. We happened to be sitting a few rows behind the benches, in the middle of the two teams. The Roswell coach simply said “What was that???” I do not know if the referees saw it. It was taunting and it did not look professional.

My main complaint with watching Milton games is how boring they have become. Great games that you recall many years later are not the “blow outs”. They are the close score games or the “come from behind” victories. Check out the regular season scores for Milton this year. They beat nearly every opponent by 35-40 points or so, and one opponent by around 50 points and another team by 65 points. This takes away a lot of the fun and excitement for the crowd. Establishing a dream team (through whatever methods he uses) = boring games. Yes, there are a few great plays and fun dunks, but no suspense, which is a big part of the fun. I used to be a Milton fan, but, do I want to see a game where I absolutely know the outcome in advance? No. Do I want to watch a game where they win 76-11? No. I would much rather see two mediocre, evenly matched teams with a final score within 2-6 points. Every game I have seen this year has involved the same pattern – they play somewhat reserved in the first half. Towards the latter part of the 3rd period, they stretch their lead to a point the other team cannot catch, and then they “showboat” with more dunks, etc., in the 4th period.

Double U

March 4th, 2012
2:21 pm

Ann, if you are a fan of basketball would you rather have your favorite team lose? The goal in basketball is to win the game not keep it close and just squeak by every game. People DO remember region titles and state championships.

Ann

March 4th, 2012
2:44 pm

@ Double U – Yes, I would honestly prefer my favorite team to lose by 2 points than to win by 60. The game would simply be more exciting and fun to watch, even with the loss. It’s the experience of “watching” the game that I enjoy, not the win/loss record. It’s the enjoyment of the two hours of time spent, not some memory that my hometown team won this or that championship.

I attended Clemson University during the time they won the national football championship in the 1980’s. Was it fun to be a student that year when they won? Sure! Was it fun watching a game against Wake Forest, I think, when they won seventy something to twenty something. Not particularly. Yes, I remember the championship. But, I also remember, a few years later when the football program and Danny Ford was found guilty of NCAA rules violations that probably helped them win the championship earlier. Pretty much ruined all the pride and fun. I also happened to be at graduate school at Penn State when they won a football national championship in the 80’s. Fond memories and pride in that have been ruined by their ethics violations. Winning at these costs is not worth it for the players or fans.

I’m not suggesting that the goal should be to keep a game close. If two teams totally abide by the rules, and the game is lopsided, that’s fine. But “manufactured” lopsided games due to transfers or recruiting is cheating the fans of fun. Milton had to forfeit some games this year due to residency violations, so those of you who say everything is kosher, you are skirting around the truth. Now perhaps the coach doesn’t recruit and players just flock to him by their own choice. It still results in a team that is not compiled by the residents/players that grew up in the system/area, although there are a few of those on the team. Georgia rules should require a one year sit-out when transferring, as many other states do. That would keep things a bit more honest.

AAAAA

March 4th, 2012
3:00 pm

Wheeler is the only team since Tift to give Milton a run and they were knocked out in the 2nd round.

I’ve seen Boyd be classy, but I’ve also seen him on multiple occasions taunt opposing players and fans.
On a similar note, I feel no pity for Mann as I’ve seen multiple players in the state get ejected for the same thing this year and last year.
All in all the Mann loss is huge as Milton’s only loss was without him to Tift Co.

Watch out for Harrison they have the bigs to give Milton trouble. Milton is a great defensive team, but a fundamentally sound team that can consistently feed the post can work that all day against them.

On Defense, Stick Nolte and Patterson at all times and make Shaq and Glass beat you, that’s the key to success against them.

Hey Joe

March 4th, 2012
3:12 pm

Was he from Multi County?

Hey Joe

March 4th, 2012
3:20 pm

Joe also GHSA does have a conflict of interest clause but it has to do with you or family members working at or attending a school or you graduating from a school in the last 5 years. Just because you live near by doesn’t make it a conflict. To me it sounds like this official “wasn’t in to the game.” If you eject a kid in a big game like this with such consequences as a two game suspension, it needs to be obvious to anyone who sees why you ejected him. And yes officials know that an ejection leads to a 2 game official.

Referee

March 4th, 2012
3:33 pm

@just a guy. As a referee you should not speak openly about another team, player or coach. Your association should not approve of your thoughts being public, whether you are correct or not.

BBall Fan

March 4th, 2012
3:48 pm

Well, I have no dog in the fight. My team was eliminated two games ago. Now I do not advocate classless behavior by coaches or players, but the potential outcome of a season shloud not be determined by the REFS. If there was no punching, pushing, or fighting then regular fouls should have been called and the REFS should have just pulled both team captains to the side and gave a warning first. I know teams and schools want to win the championship, but how much does it really mean if you had to win due to a key player being out for something other than injury.

I’M JUST SAYING!!!!

007

March 4th, 2012
4:44 pm

” I would much rather see two mediocre, evenly matched teams with a final score within 2-6 points.” SERIOUSLY!

just a guy

March 4th, 2012
5:05 pm

@ Referee…. I quit this season after many years because of coaches, player and fans demonstrating utter disrespect for me, themselves and the game… I don’t care what my or any other association think about my comments… I’m over the whole politically correct thing… sometimes you need to call a spade….a spade……just saying…..

Milton fan

March 4th, 2012
6:05 pm

Was at the game, Boyd is right, first T Mann got was ticky-tack. Players on both sides did worse than what Mann did for the second T and never got T’d. Mann was dumb but ref was dumber. Now Milton will have to win without star guard. Won title 2 yrs ago when opponent star & GA Mr. Basketball twisted his ankle during intros for championship game, comes around goes around! They can do it, looked great after Mann was ejected. Nolte will have to shoot lights out again to do it though.

Kman

March 4th, 2012
7:39 pm

This is crazy……Kick this guy out for LOOKING at another player! I agree with the coach…..if he pointed his finger or said something…..then I could agree with the technical. The refs are supposed to be FAIR and IMPARTIAL,…not to mention…call what they SEE ..not make A call on what he or she THINKS. So what did he see? We grown-ups are the one`s to blame for this type of thing. Sports are SUPPOSED to be about the KIDS…..but it`s not ….it`s more for us……we`re just using the kids…..and WHY……because sports bring in the big dollars….and when money is involved…..we get stupid!

RayTheRef

March 4th, 2012
10:35 pm

The below quote from the article states…
Mann – a University of Georgia signee – and North Gwinnett freshman Kamaran Calhoun sparred for position during an inbound play in the first half, and a double-technical was assessed.

My questions are:
Was the ball LIVE? (during an inbound play) (throw-in)
Was the double-technical foul called because of CONTACT? (sparred for position) (sounds like it)

Of course, if the ball is LIVE and there is a CONTACT foul…it can’t be TECHNICAL.

I haven’t seen the video, but would like to, just out of curiosity. My concern is that the Double-Technical Foul was ruled, because of CONTACT. If that is the case…the official made an INACCURATE RULING. Because…if the ball is LIVE…and the two players PUNCH EACH OTHER… it is still NOT a TECHNICAL foul.

Ann

March 4th, 2012
11:22 pm

If Milton is the great team so many people say they are, they should be able to win without one player. If your team can’t come together and win without one specific player, then you don’t deserve the championship. Or, is their team not very deep, then?

Ann

March 4th, 2012
11:23 pm

And, maybe the game will be more competitive, more exciting, and “less boring” now.

urhighest

March 5th, 2012
4:30 am

HOYA NATION……WE BELIEVE WITH OR WITHOUT A MANN PLAYING….
THESE AINT NO RICH WHITE BOYS….THESE YUNG MEN R BALLERS…
TWO AWAY WINS VALDOSTA/JOHNSON-SAV….THEN M.L.K……HARRISON IS UNDERRATED………

[...] be without the services of senior point guard Charles Mann, the Atlanta Journal-Constitution reports.  Mann is a University of Georgia [...]

sportsfan

March 5th, 2012
6:37 am

Pointing with your eyes is the same as your hand – but with more expression. This type of arrogant behavior will continue on at UGA and will read about him in a few years with more suspensions.

IKNOWS

March 5th, 2012
7:31 am

was the berkmar spanish teacher at the game?

brookcy

March 5th, 2012
8:26 am

Coach Boyd after his player’s first technical foul should have pulled that young man to the side and reminded him that any other technical fouls would have called for his ejection regardless of whether or not it was warranted. The tech’s were called and unless GHSA wants eggs on their face for overturning their ejection policy Mr. Mann is done for the season.

Sideline Dude

March 5th, 2012
9:02 am

Wahhhhhh! Where’s the crying towel?

Coach

March 5th, 2012
9:02 am

What goes around comes around! Karma truly is a bitch!

truth

March 5th, 2012
9:27 am

I see the officials in GA HS Sports still suck. Nothing has changed.

The BIG "O"

March 5th, 2012
11:30 am

IKNOWS & ramblwrk68

lol……..:-)))))))))))))))))

Buff the Ref With 25 years experience

March 5th, 2012
12:06 pm

Ray the Ref- what bush league are you calling. No technicals can be called during a live ball? You must be a rookie! Stick to calling rec ball Ray.

former coach

March 5th, 2012
3:44 pm

a public school player moving illegally from another public school and forfeits 3 games but gets to continue to play. Where is the backbone of the public schools to demand that milton has to play in a new division. so now we see it is all about punishing private schools because they are not be controlled by governement, union run agendas. thank you for pointing this all out. this sure was hush hush but we get the drift. phoney, hyprocrites

former coach

March 5th, 2012
3:46 pm

Milton may still be the best team that money can buy in HS. but no one will ever question them about that. phoneys

former coach

March 5th, 2012
3:49 pm

what a joke. that is what is wrong with officials in Ga. Ray you mean to tell me if someone throws an elbow while rebounding a shot and the elbow hits someone in the mouth, you cant call a techincal foul. keep up the good officiating

One Man's Opinion

March 5th, 2012
4:51 pm

I would like to see Boyd coach a team with only local talent. Over the last 4 years Milton has 2 key players who came up through the feeder team. Everyone else has transfeered in. Glass, Johnson, Mann…. on this years team.With that said i still think he is an incredible coach. His very TALENTED teams play defense and are disciplined. This does not come by accident.

Sam

March 5th, 2012
5:19 pm

Milton can win without Mann even if their bench sucks. Mann shouldn’t have gotten ejected but it doesn’t matter because Jalyn Patterson can run the point and go off…

Todd Holcomb

March 5th, 2012
5:37 pm

”would like to see Boyd coach a team with only local talent. Over the last 4 years Milton has 2 key players who came up through the feeder team. Everyone else has transfeered in.”

Milton is the most talented team in AAAAA, no doubt. Lots of coaches could win with the talent there. But give Boyd credit – He’s the only coach to win state titles in Georgia at four different schools. No other coach has won at more than two schools.

The Answer

March 5th, 2012
5:53 pm

Butt the Ref with 25 years expereince. RTR is correct, you obviously do not know the rules. no live ball foul can be called a technical due to contact. It can be personal, intentional, or flagrant, but it CAN NOT be technical.

The Answer

The Answer

March 5th, 2012
5:55 pm

former coach, you are cluelss 2! Ray the Ref is right! See my above comment. Maybe that is why it says FORMER Coach!

The Answer

Kaela

March 5th, 2012
9:43 pm

If anyone was acting like “thugs” it was the north boys. The Milton players responded like normal teenagers once they were taunted. The fact of the matter is that Charles simply LOOKED at him he didn’t say anything, he didn’t have a certain facial expression. It was just a look. He deserves to play in the next two games, it’s his senior year but to be honest Milton will still do well without him. They have an amazing team and work hard.