Troup fires football coach Flowers

Troup has fired football coach Charlie Flowers apparently over an improper transfer of at least one football player into the Troup district, according a report by WTVM-TV in Columbus.

Parents gathered outside school district headquarters seeking answers Tuesday. Some challenged a rumor that Flowers was fired for assisting in the move of a student-athlete from Alabama to Troup County, the TV station reported.

The Georgia High School Association says it is not investigating Troup for any alleged wrongdoing.

The Troup school system has declined comment except to confirm Flowers’ dismissal. Flowers has denied comment.

Flowers returned to Troup, his almater, in 2010. The team has had 7-4 and 9-3. Flowers’ 21-season record as a head coach is 161-82 record. He was a state title at Shaw in 2000.

Troup’s top player is Reuben Foster, a linebacker who has committed to Alabama.

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bob

February 22nd, 2012
11:53 am

About time. First at Shaw, now at Troup. Finally, Flowers got caught

LaGrange2008

February 22nd, 2012
12:00 pm

Sad part is everyone is worried about the recruting part, whcih I do understand is a rules violation. However, from what I have seen, he actually gets his kids scholarships. A lot of coaches stop caring about their players once football is over. This guy makes phone calls to colleges as well as send out football film of his players. Other schools, and I won’t mention which ones, won’t even assist the kids in making a game film.

Ron

February 22nd, 2012
12:40 pm

What about brookwood and parkview a few years ago. They have done it in soccer and football for years. The head man in that school would never check it out. I know because I called and reported it.
Check out the other schools in Gwinnett now. Flowery Branch , Buford, North Gwinnett.

Hairston

February 22nd, 2012
12:49 pm

@bob, you must be a Shaw or Troup rival. Nothing is worse than when something of this magnitude happens and folks go spouting off about things they know nothing about. The allegations against him have not been substantiated. Troup County school board jumped the gun on this without a thorough investigation, this will be a terrible embarassment for the Troup School system in the coming days and weeks.

This coach has done more for the players of Troup High School than most of the coaches who preceded him combined. He supports the players in school, in life, he is a father figure to a lot of the boys who have none.

The fact that the GHSA isn’t investigating Coach Flowers speaks volumes that this is insider politics at its ugliest. I hope the parents of the players dont let this one go. Its about time someone exposed the mess that is Troup County Schools.

Jim Miller

February 22nd, 2012
12:59 pm

About time! Glad Troup had the balls to do what Muscogee never did. KARMA! See you Chuck! Oh by the way, he’s trying to get the Valley (Alabama) job as we speak.

Jim Miller

February 22nd, 2012
1:10 pm

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Gridiron

February 22nd, 2012
1:20 pm

This firing can’t be anything but the GOOD OLD BOYS POLITICS!!

GHSA Stripes

February 22nd, 2012
1:38 pm

Ron, Flowery Branch is in Hall County

john holmes

February 22nd, 2012
1:42 pm

Let’s face it, if you stay above the knat line you recuit in some shape, form or fashion! Dekalb, Fulton, Gwinnet, Henry, Rockdale (hell Metro Atlanta) counties have kids shifting and moving every year. Their coaches don’t get fired! Milton basketball is the best at it because they don’t even have apartments and they have kids transferring in left and right, year in and year out in a poor economy with $300,000 homes to buy! But every year they have some studs transfer in and make them what they are! Hell look at Sandy Creek, they don’t have home grown kids either! I guess my point is that it goes deeper than that because the real issue is that he is black! Race matters and he is the wrong color, if he was white then nothing would have been said except for dang he had good team!

Sandy Creek says...

February 22nd, 2012
2:03 pm

@john holmes… you are moron.

Sandy Creek has only had two transfers that weren’t homegrown. Both are seniors this year. JaQauy Williams and Quenteze Williams. Calvin Johnson, Andrew Gardner, Kedric Gholston, and Jabari Hollaway all play or played in the NFL and they were all HOMEGROWN hater. Kids transfer every year. You must just be a sore loser because Sandy Creek has probably owned you, your team, or your kids team. Jealous much?

bob

February 22nd, 2012
2:26 pm

Actually Hairston, I am neither, but I do live in the area. Fact is, he was guilty of recruiting at Shaw and now he got caught at Troup. The facts will come out, and I know a WHOLE LOT of what hasn’t been said…yet. The facts will speak for themselves. This is a criminal act, simply because FTE numbers are at stake. And FTE numbers equate to money.

bob

February 22nd, 2012
2:29 pm

And let me shed some light on the whole GHSA thing. The GHSA WON”T investigate when a school and/or school systems fires the coach that is responsible for the recruiting. What are they going to do, put the school on probation? The GHSA bylaws does not call for this, but rather the immediate dismissal of the coach.

And I love how people say the coach got these kids all of these offers. College coaches find talent. If a kid is talented, it is the colleges that do the majority of the recruiting.

Buddy

February 22nd, 2012
2:46 pm

The Good ole boy system is very present at LHS, why is there one man coaching two major sports at LHS, football and baseball. As a graduate of LHS and a fomer football player, the two coaches I played for were football coaches 365 days a year. No wonder we have falling in the pass yrs. Stop trying to hire friends and buddies, there are many qualified coaches, not in the buddy system who would do a great job. Look at Basketball too, a lot of talent no coaching.

Ron

February 22nd, 2012
3:02 pm

Your right My bad. I am just saying. Check these schools out. Flowery Branch & Buford

Hairston

February 22nd, 2012
3:50 pm

@bob… Wow man, do you have any idea what youve just implied? The FTE numbers (and corresponding $$) are more important to this school system than the facts, or even the best interests of the two kids involved. With the protests you had at your school board last week, allegations of corruption in your board members, voters threatening to do a clean sweep in the next election, etc… you would think that this board would have been a little more thorough before jumping the gun on this. I, too have a WHOLE LOT of information in this case. Flowers isnt stupid, he wouldnt have paid for anything that would implicate himself or hurt those boys. The party who did pay has stepped forward with receipts, signed affadavits, etc. and the board is turning a blind eye. ITS ABOUT THE MONEY and not the kids!

tallon

February 22nd, 2012
4:04 pm

Coach Flowers was not a father figure to all the kids. I just want to set the record straight. If you were not a starting line backer, quarterback, etc…. he did give those kids the time of day. He put them off on of the the others coaches to mentor them. As a coach to should treat all you players the same in all situations. In life, you reap exactly what you sow.

LOL

February 22nd, 2012
4:13 pm

They are just mad because THS BEAT LHS two times in a row……….LHS cover up grades as long as the player plays for them but time the player transfer LHS transfer nothing but straight F’S…….Now what is wrong with that picture? They cover up what they want to cover up…..Perdue was recruiting for LHS and Kentucky University the time he was there……..Nothing was never said about that

RUSTY

February 22nd, 2012
4:54 pm

this all goes back to lagrange high school hating that troup is becoming a better football team than lagrundge. i played at troup in the late 90’s and our freshman team beat theres 35-0 neadless to say after that the city of lagrange rezoned everyone troup lost alot of big kids to lagrange they have been doing it for over 30 years its about time troup had a good coach like flowers…..hope troup can get him back and players stay cause if not lagrange high will have won another battle……RTR GO TIGERS

Jim Nazium

February 22nd, 2012
6:04 pm

Ye who are without sin, cast the first stone. LaGrange has recruited athletes from all over Troup and Meriwether counties for decades.

I think you’ll find that Daves Nichols, Burdette, Alford and other ‘GRANGER’ Board Members are behind this. When you beat the ‘Sons of the Elite’, they’ll try to harm you.

truth

February 22nd, 2012
7:21 pm

the ole south carolina qb blake mitchell lived in callway high school district but played @ lagrange high. Coach perdue was a dick

Interesting

February 22nd, 2012
7:37 pm

@ truth–Blake Mitchell’s mom worked (still works?) at LaGrange High. I think students are allowed to attend the school where their parents are employed, no matter where they live. Isn’t that true in all districts?

Lownes Pride

February 22nd, 2012
8:12 pm

DANG!!!! When is the GHSA going to step in and rule on all Colquitt County’s transfers from Alabama? Better yet the Colquitt county board of education knows Rush Probst is cheating with illegal transfers and decides to turn a blind eye! Why because they are winning. Colquitt has sold their souls to the devil – win at all cost!! How much longer can this go on?

LaGrange 2008

February 22nd, 2012
10:59 pm

@ Bob, colleges do not do all the work. If that were the case then there would be more kids getting scholarships on each team. Most of the D-1 talent is found by the recruiters, however, most of the d-2 talent is found by coaches making calls and sending game film.

I doubt it...

February 22nd, 2012
11:25 pm

BTW, I think it’s pretty irresponsible reporting (this will probably get deleted) when you report something based on hearsay (”apparently for”) ESPECIALLY when you go on to say later in the article that neither party would comment on the details. I guess because another news agency reported it first it’s fair game to speculate. Pssshhhh…..

Aunt

February 23rd, 2012
2:10 am

I would like to say to all of you idiots that are buying in to this bull all of the accusationns are lies and I know this because I am the two young men aunt and they resided in the home with me while attending troup and coach flowers never gave me anything I did not meet coach flowers until after school had already begun and you all should know that the did not do a proper investigation as no one has contacted me from the board and they have not responded to my reqiest to be heard all of these accusations are coming from a parent that needs to accept the fact that her child is not skilled enough to play at the division 1 level and if they were to investigate her they would know that she has a history of trying to black ball coaches that do not play her son the way she ffeel the should this was just plain malicious and full of lies and for her to say he didi this is impacting not only the coach but my nephews and me also and I will not stand for it

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james

February 23rd, 2012
6:24 am

I know that many think he is a good coach. I will give him that. But that is only to the ones he want to shine. the other 70 player on the team are put down and striped of there pride. They are told that they are stupid and called names that are not even permitted in my home. As far as a father figure maybe a evil step father. To the ones he like a father to the one he does not care about a evel step father.

sportsfan2

February 23rd, 2012
6:40 am

How can this kid say he is “out of here” – what if the GHSA actually enforces the rules that you must sit out a year if you transfer – or is this family so mobile that because junior doesn’t like a situation they will move.

Hairston

February 23rd, 2012
8:32 am

@sportsfan2 You have no clue about the situation “this kid” has been in his entire life. The fact that he is even still in school is a miracle in and of itself. Not only has he beat the horrible odds against him, but with the help of those like Coach Flowers he has excelled and become one of the top players in the nation. I am sick of those who will tear down these kids who have worked so hard to get out of the muck and mire and make a new legacy for themselves. Its people like you who hold these kids back in the first place.

Anyone else want to make a SA comment about Foster? He will end up being more than any other of the silver spoons whose dads frequent this board for sure… not because he’s been handed everything, but because this kid has earned it, DESPITE people like you.

DLR

February 23rd, 2012
3:28 pm

I agree with all those the speak to caution in making quick judgments regarding this situation and although some things of the past may or maynot have happened, it is clear that which really matters is what comes out of a fair trial, hearing which ever you prefer! Once accusations are made it automatically places the burden on one to prove him or herself innocent, that is a fact of life. Several comments made on this subject such as NO Investigation (GHSA), Refusal to speak with a key witness(AUNT), Testimony – signed affidavits and receipts by the actual person responsible being ignored etc raised true cause for concern if they are true!
Also true in life are those parents that feel that their child was not given a fair chance to become a star player and there maybe some truth to that as well but the main thing that a concerned or wishful parent should do is ask your child to be honest in telling just how productive he has been at practice against one that he or she feels that they are better than. Or better yet watch practice to see if your child asserts him or her self or is standing around alot talking! Im only saying this because I too was a PLAYER and now have kids that play and have witnessed the lack of for myself in my own kids. They were not starters and i did not complain nor blame the coaches but instead took the opportunity to work with them in hopes created a better mind set on their part to be a competitor not a poser!
Food for thought!!!!

LCMS Parent

February 23rd, 2012
4:20 pm

Coach Flowers has been an asset to Troup High. He constantly reminds his players that getting their education is the most important thing. He expects a lot from them and they in turn are expecting more from themselves. He is one of those educators that connects with students. He has a way to bring out the best in them. These young men are working harder in class and on the field. All educators should aspire to have the kind of positive impact that Coach Flowers has made with his players and the student body of Troup High.
He was the keynote speaker at the football banquet of my son’s middle school. What an inspiring speech it was. He told our boys that they need to be respectful to their parents and teachers. He reminded them to do their best in school and be the best they can be. He was given a standing ovation. We definitely need more teachers like Charles Flowers to inspire our young people.
I sincerely hope this situation is resolved soon. Coach Flowers has brought a renewed spirit to Troup football.

bluebird

February 23rd, 2012
5:22 pm

Its interesting to see that Coach Flowers is blamed for recruiting players, but one known fact is: HE DOES NOT ENROLL STUDENTS! That process is completed through Troup County Board of Education. And as strict as their policy is on transfers and new students, why/how would they enroll students knowing he/she is not living within the district. This is definitely political and/or a conspiracy. 90% of coaches and schools KNOW when they have an athlete who lives “out of district”. As long as the team is succeeding/winning, the school system ignores it. So, I see fault in the entire school system. Shame on them for placing the blame on one individual. Just remember, the enrollment process starts at the Board of Education, not in Coach Flowers’s office. All Coaches recruit good players. However, its up to the school system to allow a child to enroll knowing the child lives elsewhere. At the end of the day– He is a coach doing what coaches do—RECRUITING.

Former Player

February 23rd, 2012
5:41 pm

As a former player for Coach Flowers at Shaw High in Columbus, I can whole heartedly state that he is a very good coach, but a better man. Universities were not really even recruiting in the Columbus area until he came along. He spent many hours talking to college coaches and trying to persuade them to visit or even look at some of his players. I was one of the players that got a scholarship because of him. He even went with me when we visited a couple different schools. And after I graduated and before college began, he stayed on me during that whole summer to keep working out and performing. I even played on an amateur summer team that he played on.

And he always stressed academics to all his players, not just a few. The only problem he ever had with any players was when the parents got involved, thinking they knew how to coach better than he did. Usually they were upset because their child wasn’t playing enough, in their eyes.

I do not all the facts about what happened at Troup, so I cannot really comment. But I can make comments on the man himself. So unless you have played for him and/or know him personally, please stay away from making comments on him personally. Eventually, all the facts about what happened will come out. But I will say this: Troup County High School has lost a very good coach, great motivator and mentor, and a very terrific person.

afan

February 23rd, 2012
8:06 pm

Damn good man and Coach..kids lose in this deal.

rb

February 23rd, 2012
8:51 pm

Known him for 15 plus years. You reap what you sow. For it is written.

Go Trojans!

February 24th, 2012
12:10 pm

Looked like next year was the year that Carrollton had some competition for the Region crown especially with R. Foster coming back strong. If all the movement is true, it might not happen. Good thing we don’t recruit (except from Carroll Central but that hardly counts….). Go Trojans!

observer

February 24th, 2012
6:52 pm

Sorry to say it but the competition was for second place in the region-Sandy Creek is in the same region for 2012 and Carrollton suffered huge losses on defense.On the headline subject I thought football built character-if these kids think they can just leave when things don’t go their way just wait until they get into the real world.Good luck!Maybe they can join the Columbus Allstars(Carver)

Cro-Magnon Man

February 25th, 2012
7:34 am

Hard to determine anymore who is a good coach, average coach, or great coach with all this recruiting going on. Coach has had the recruiting tag placed on him long ago, and I think it finally caught up with him…SAD TO SAY, BUT MOST OF THOSE WHO ARE WINNING BIG NOW ARE BREAKING THE RULES AND RECRUITING LIKE CRAZY…EVERYONE KNOWS WHO THEY ARE…THE RULE SHOULD BE THAT ANY PLAYER MOVING IN HAS TO SIT OUT A YEAR…THESE SO CALLED “BONAFIDE MOVES” HAVE BEEN A JOKE FOR A LONG TIME…

Cro-Magnon Man

February 25th, 2012
7:45 am

The system is broken in high school athletics…somebody has to fix it…THERE ARE PRINCIPALS AND BOARD OF EDUCATION MEMBERS WHO KNOW FULL WELL THEIR COACHES ARE RECRUITING AND CHEATING LIKE CRAZY…BUT IF THEY WIN AND EVERYBODY IN THE COMMUNITY IS HAPPY, THEN I GUESS THAT MAKES THE CHEATING OK…

Cro-Magnon Man

February 25th, 2012
7:55 am

If a really good player had to sit out a year, he/she would think twice about moving to a new school…WE ARE TEACHING KIDS THAT CHEATING IS OK AS LONG AS WE CAN WIN AND FEEL GOOD ABOUT OURSELVES…

observer

February 25th, 2012
9:49 am

Cro-Magnon-are you saying that there are no legitimate moves which require the student to attend a different school?Surely you would not want to penalize the innocent.There will always be transfers of which I think the majority consists of the athlete making the decision to attend a school with a winning program.Coaches do not have to recruit and would be foolish to do so-their job is on the line.I am aware that there wil always be those who break the rules.The school boards will be the oversight.

FranchiseMe

February 27th, 2012
11:33 am

People move all the time. Because of the unstable economy and people losing their homes, families are left to move in with other family members or send their kids to relatives to live. This is not uncommon. I think we have all missed the point. If I was struggling and had kids and knew of a family member or friend that lives in a good area, i would send my kids there until I was able to get myself together. This happens more now thatn ever. Expect more of these types of moves this year. I am not saying anyone is innocent or guilty, but these are legitimate factors today.

lakersfan

March 3rd, 2012
2:15 am

Okay ladies and gents , i think we all are forgetting the costs of college today, whats the difference between a kid going to a school to have a better chance of obtaining a scholarship , than an employee searching for a better job
We all know this recruiting thing has gone on for yrs, look at the ATL basketball powerhouses that play national schedules , espn coverage, overseas tournaments and you think all of thier kids a local kids
If the coach at Troup got caught so what he just was trying to be competitive , the schools that dont recruit will never win a championship in football or basketball in the state of Ga.