The GHSA votes to expand to six classifications (UPDATED)

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The Georgia High School Association finally has a reclassification plan in place on how to divide the 443 member schools for athletic competition.

By a narrow 26-24 vote on Tuesday, the GHSA’s Executive Committee voted in favor of expanding from the existing structure of five classifications to six. It will take effect in fall 2012.

Which region and classification will your high school be playing in? That really won’t be known until FTE reports on student enrollment come out in October, according to GHSA executive director Ralph Swearngin.

The “4/8 plan” was the first plan proposed on Tuesday, and failed after a 15-35 vote.

Back to the 6 classification plan, which will break down the high schools by percentages:

Class AAAAAA (15% of all schools)
Class AAAAA (15%)
Class AAAA (16%)
Class AAA (16%)
Class AA (16%)
Class A (22% because of so many non-football playing schools)

Reaction from around the metro area:

Pope AD Steven Craft: I think it was a great decision by the executive committee.  The 4/8 plan had more questions than answers.  I love the decision to move to 6 classifications.  I think that this is the fairest proposal.  The 6 classification plan levels out the number of schools in each classification without watering down the significance of winning a state championship.

Centennial football coach Jeff Measor: I guess it fixes some things, but for us, nothing has changed. The system will still have 3,500-student schools playing 2,000-student schools in the playoffs.

Alpharetta AD Kirk Alexander: I am happy to hear that the vote passed to expand to 6 qualifications. It is the solution that best fits the GHSA’s current system and philosophies. As the saying goes, “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it” … I like that it’s the same format as the old 5-class system, so adapting to it will not be a problem. I also like that it maintains the competitive balance. I do not like that some regions only have 5 teams, where 4 will make the playoffs in the major sports … I was in favor of the vote today. I think you see from the numbers, the constituents from the metro area stood together in support of what they felt was in the best interest of Georgia high school athletics.

Creekside AD Mekia Troy: The plan seems to provide pretty good balance across all classifications.  If the projected numbers are close, I like where Creekside is as far a travel and the likelihood of developing rivals.  I believe the same is true for much of metro Atlanta … I’m in favor of the 6 classifications.  I assumed that a change was coming regardless of if it was necessary because it was discussed so much.  I was initially totally against the 4×8, but the final proposal wasn’t that bad.  The idea of 8 championships was a bit much, though.

Peachtree Ridge AD Bill Holleman: There will never be a perfect answer to this question but the 6 classification plan is a much more equitable approach to all members of the the GHSA

Harrison AD Jerry Meuschke: I think it made a lot more sense than the 4/8 if we want to keep it simple and still get more teams involved in the state experience.

Berkmar football coach Jonathan Sanks:  The reclassification does not bother me at all. Our tough region did not change. Bottom line, this game comes down to who can block, tackle, and secure the ball the best. If teams cannot do those things, it is impossible to be successful … no matter who you are playing, or the class you are in.

141 comments Add your comment

Out of Town

May 10th, 2011
1:00 pm

South Georgia gets hammered in this decision.

johnny too good

May 10th, 2011
1:03 pm

glad there’s a change hopefully they get it right this time, the current system is flawed

http://www.youtube.com/thatsjohnanderson

phil

May 10th, 2011
1:07 pm

Looks like Lowndes and Camden are going to have some mighty long travel days. I have no tears in my eyes over them. Neither system wants to build another HS and split up their 3,000+ enrollment at their high schools. They control south Georgia football because of their large hs enrollment. So, Lowndes & Camden, what are you going to do now, play each other 10 times a season?

jhp

May 10th, 2011
1:07 pm

its about time….south ga has had the adv over this issue for years, now its an even playing field

Well

May 10th, 2011
1:10 pm

Look at Valdosta’s region under the 6 class system: Northside Warner Robbins, Lee Co, Houston County, Bainbridge, Hardaway, Northside Columbus.

Crazy Diamond

May 10th, 2011
1:13 pm

Time to get all bent out of shape ove GHSA and High School sports in Georgia.

Taylor Wooten

May 10th, 2011
1:13 pm

When can SCHOOLS vote to get OUT of the GHSA? What purpose or beneift do the actually bring?

NorcrossDude

May 10th, 2011
1:14 pm

Where are you all getting the preliminary lists? Thanks!

Bright Idea

May 10th, 2011
1:15 pm

This plan, like any other, will solve few problems. It will accomplish the main goal of the GHSA office. One more level of playoffs equals more money to the GHSA office. Don’t think the reclassification committee wasn’t reminded of that.

Tom

May 10th, 2011
1:21 pm

Taylor,

A private school can compete in the GISA if they apply. Most private schools are already GISA members for things other than athletics. As for public schools, there is nothing else out there.

Poleesemenses

May 10th, 2011
1:24 pm

Did they ever aks the school principals their feelings? Leave it to the govmint.to fup this too.

South Ga Fan

May 10th, 2011
1:24 pm

Any idea how this breaks down the regions?

Well

May 10th, 2011
1:31 pm

Poleesemenses- the govt has no role in the GHSA. It is a private organization with a very public sounding name.

Proof!

May 10th, 2011
1:33 pm

You can always go out on your own and start your own region. The mountainous counties did that about 15 years ago when they created the Mountain Region when angered at being placed with Hall county schools. They left because they knew they would not have a voice in that region since all the Hall schools would vote as a bloc against anything they wanted. Attendance also fell way off since the Hall folks don’t travel like single high school county folks do.

It's getting hot outside

May 10th, 2011
1:33 pm

Yippee! More post-season football at the Dome.

CCHS Fan

May 10th, 2011
1:34 pm

Phil, you are a narrow minded man. What about all the sports that play during the week ? How are they going to suffer ? As far as Camden’s 1 High School, this countys population is at the mercy of the Naval Base. The school board has laid off double digit teachers the last 2 years and its not getting any better. 90% of the population is probably within 15 miles of the school. It makes no sense from a economic standpoint to even attempt to build another high school here, that requires more admin teachers etc and we dont even have the budget to keep what we have now. Camden’s football program will not suffer but all the other sports sure will.

Directions

May 10th, 2011
1:38 pm

Poleesemense: The GHSA members that voted on this proposals are the principals, athletic directors and coaches. The GHSA executive committee is not the government, but representives from member schools.

pmuckle

May 10th, 2011
1:39 pm

WTH! More cheating!!!

Not a Fan of GHSA

May 10th, 2011
1:49 pm

Is GHSA a private or government entity? Do they receive funding from the government other than fees paid by high schools? Once they receive the FTE numbers from the schools, how do they align the regions?

WHO CARES

May 10th, 2011
1:49 pm

Get a life people. ITS HighSCHOOL sports. Worry about your kids grades…and maybe even stop having kids.

spider

May 10th, 2011
1:54 pm

wow pretty soon every school will be in their own classification and claim a state title.

matt

May 10th, 2011
1:54 pm

It’s my understanding that their will essentially be a S. Ga champ and a N. Ga champ for each classification. Less travel. Plus it is more geared toward enrollment. Don’t really see the problem.

plowboy

May 10th, 2011
1:56 pm

phil…..we will continue to dominate u bunch of player swapping atlantians! u guys will have to travel SOUTH a lot as well, i would love for camden and lowndes to be in the same region as parkview and brookwood!

WarEagle

May 10th, 2011
1:56 pm

@WHO CARES — um, then why are you posting on the high school sports blog?

duh

May 10th, 2011
1:57 pm

So how does this solve the issue of schools like Wesleyan making sure that their “enrollment” is one student under the requirement to be bumped up to the next classification. The answer…it wont.

spider

May 10th, 2011
1:59 pm

right on war eagle

rexdogma

May 10th, 2011
2:00 pm

This is a good solution. Better than the others. Keeps the giant schools by themselves and gets rid of the 28 school region 5-A. You people need to get a life & worry about your kids grades. GHSA is made up of coaches, principals, & athletic directors and is not part of the government.

John

May 10th, 2011
2:02 pm

this is a good move I like the decision.

Andrew

May 10th, 2011
2:05 pm

As long as private schools with their wide ranging player recruit ability are allowed into the GHSA instead if the GISA which was originated for them they have a huge advantage over the public schools that only have local kids playing in A and AA. The GHSA should be made up totally of public schools.

Dave

May 10th, 2011
2:06 pm

WHO CARES – don’t have to worry about grades, my son’s grades and GPA qualify for 100% Hope – he’s a committed student. He’s also committed to baseball, playing in a AA school for 4 years. There are a lot of kids out there just like him. The sad fact is the kids/Teams at this level in county High Schools don’t stand a chance in the playoffs when there are city and private schools in the same classification. I’m sure this won’t do anything to change that; thank goodness for the love of the game and the lessons learned from losing.

Topper

May 10th, 2011
2:15 pm

Anybody know where we can find out what the new regions will be?

Newnan and the like

May 10th, 2011
2:17 pm

where will schools on the low end of 5A numbers go?

George

May 10th, 2011
2:18 pm

High School Sports………

Can we please worry about something that matter?????

George

May 10th, 2011
2:19 pm

High School Sports……..

Can we please worry about something that really matters????

Gatornation

May 10th, 2011
2:21 pm

The highest grossing program at high schools are the football programs. We all know and understand this. This decision may or maynot come back to bite some folks. But is it the decision that we must work with. So now let’s figure out how to make it work instead of playing out scenarios why it won’t work. As far as Camden and Lowndes building another school, not going to happen. Did Lowndes county not build Veterans a year ago, and due to the constant change in personnel at the military base in Camden, a new high school may never come. The population does not warrant another high school. They don’t build high schools to compliment the athletic programs, they are population driven to relieve overcrowding so that the kids can have a productive environment to thrive.

Keepin it real

May 10th, 2011
2:21 pm

More championships mean more fixed games.

Numbers?

May 10th, 2011
2:26 pm

what kind of numbers will create 5A and 6A?

PureEvil

May 10th, 2011
2:28 pm

Dave the real problem is the state won’t allow individual sports to move up in rank while other sports are allowed to stay down. For instance Buford Football should be in AAA or AAAA while all the other sports are about where they should be AA. It’s not Buford’s fault they have an outstanding coaching staff and college like facilities that parents want their kids to benefit from. If I was in another district and my child was a gifted football player I’d do everything I could to get him in a program that’s known to get kids to the next level. That’s just the way things are now and the state should open their eyes and realize some schools have certain sports that are in a whole other class than all the other sports and should be allowed to move up.

HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS FAN

May 10th, 2011
2:29 pm

Some of you have the plans mixed up. The 4×8 plan was the one with a north champion and south champion. It also had some regions with 2 or 3 teams which was part of the problem with the current system of five classes.

The 6 class system will divide the classes almost equally in number of schools by the school FTE numbers. In the 6 class system schools like Valdosta, Stephenson and MLK fall in the 5A class, but might play up.

The 6 class system puts Lowndes, Camden and other So. GA big schools in one region.

Many of the current rivalries will survive in most regions. Also most of the regions will have 10 or less schools which allows for outside games.

The GHSA is funded through sponsorships, state playoffs and yearly dues from the schools.

The committees are made up of athletic representatives from the member schools. They do the voting, eligibility etc.

The Viking Ship

May 10th, 2011
2:32 pm

The whole purpose of reclassification is that Tift County can move out of their current region so they will have a chance at something. Maybe it will boost their morale up there. What’s that they say about the pro teams with high payrolls not translating to titles? hahahahahaha

Oasis in the Styx

May 10th, 2011
2:36 pm

South Georgia: Maybe if you split up your football powerhouses into smaller schools, some of your students might actually learn to read!

SWD Panther Paw

May 10th, 2011
2:36 pm

I agree 100% Phil…excellent comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Johnny D

May 10th, 2011
2:37 pm

Increased travel? Camden is doing that already. Nobody outside their region will play them from in-state, which is why they play teams from Florida, Alabma and Texas.

real issue

May 10th, 2011
2:39 pm

IF WE WANT TO MAKE A REAL CHANGE WE NEED TO PUT PRIVATE SCHOOLS IN THEIR OWN CLASSIFICATION. THERE IS NO WAY WE CAN COMPETE AS LONG AS THEY ARE ALLOWED TO RECRUIT. JUST LOOK AT WHO WINS STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS YEAR AFTER YEAR. IT’S NOT A COINCIDENCE. WE HAVE TO DEVELOP TALENT. THEY JUST HAVE TO LOOK FOR IT.

justafan

May 10th, 2011
2:40 pm

Where will that put Coffee HS, Tifton HS Colquitt HS..? Anybody know……….

SWD Panther Paw

May 10th, 2011
2:40 pm

CCHS Fan – way to tow the company line. Are all you CC people reading from the same script?????? You guy’s will do anything not to open up another high school

The Viking Ship

May 10th, 2011
2:40 pm

Real Issue, recruiting occurs as much with the public schools if not more.

real issue

May 10th, 2011
2:42 pm

if so, we must not be very good at it. look at the championships.

Not a Fan of GHSA

May 10th, 2011
2:46 pm

Real Issue 2:39 – What if GHSA reinstituted the 1.5 times FTE rule for private schools? Would that help? What do you say to the private schools who have students who have been at the school since elementary school? I have checked on the costs for some of the private schools and it is less than what a lot of county and city schools spend per pupil. I don’t mind having private schools in our region. I want to play the best competition.

Jimmy Williams

May 10th, 2011
2:49 pm

“Look at Valdosta’s region under the 6 class system…”

Would someone link the regions? Folks are throwing regions these around but they are nowhere to be found on the GHSA’s website, nor anywhere else.