Rankings: Norcross is No. 1, then what? And what is Milton’s legacy?
Congrats to Norcross, the first school since Murphy of Atlanta in 1958 to win boys and girls basketball titles in the same year in the highest classification.
Before we get into the impossible task of ranking Georgia’s Class AAAAA, boys or girls, let’s discuss Milton-Norcross.
First, it was not a huge upset. This is basketball, and Norcross had a national-caliber team in its own right with four guys headed to Division I programs. Once it got its act together, Norcross was one of the best 25 teams in the country the past few weeks.
Second, Milton still is one of the best teams in Georgia history. So is Norcross. In 1979, SW Macon didn’t play any teams as good as Miller Grove and Norcross.
For better or worse, the top teams today are more talented than most from a generation before because they’re built, not grown. State titles in Class AAAAA can’t be won any more without multiple player transfers. The third-best team this season – take your pick: Milton, Norcross, Miller Grove – was more talented than most Class AAAA champions from the ’80 and ‘90s. Take shots at Milton all you want, but that starting five is one of the best Georgia has seen. It won a state title as juniors and challenged for a national title as seniors.
As for the rankings, it comes down to this: How do we rate quality wins and strength of schedule vs. rounds advanced in the state playoffs?
Tift, Valdosta and Newton are fortunate that Collins Hill, Campbell and South Gwinnett had bad nights at the wrong time, IMO. Not saying they aren’t worthy of the top 10, but I’d love to see a different state draw format, or more top ATL and South Georgia teams getting together in the regular season.
Here’s a stab at it.
Class AAAAA
1. Norcross (24-9)
2. Milton (29-3)
3. Wheeler (23-7)
4. Peachtree Ridge (22-6)
5. Tift County (24-7)
6. Mill Creek (18-12)
7. Walton (19-7)
8. Valdosta (23-6)
9. Newton (26-5)
10. North Gwinnett (18-10)
Class AAAA
1. Miller Grove (32-1)
2. Rockdale County (26-6)
3. Fayette County (30-3)
4. Jonesboro (28-4)
5. Southwest DeKalb (24-6)
6. Sequoyah (29-1)
7. Lovejoy (25-5)
8. Bainbridge (27-3)
9. Villa Rica (25-6)
10. Tucker (23-6)
Class AAA
1. Columbia (30-3)
2. Butler (25-8)
3. Franklin County (25-6)
4. Eagle’s Landing (26-5)
5. Carrollton (22-6)
6. Troup (22-5)
7. Washington County (25-5)
8. West Hall (24-6)
9. Murray County (26-3)
10. Drew (16-10)
Class AA
1. Greater Atlanta Christian (28-5)
2. Buford (24-9)
3. Laney (29-2)
4. South Atlanta (28-3)
5. Swainsboro (19-8)
6. Thomasville (26-4)
7. East Hall (25-6)
8. Rockmart (28-3)
9. Kendrick (22-7)
10. Lamar County (27-4)
Class A
1. Wilkinson County (32-0)
2. Terrell County (27-4)
3. Greenville (27-4)
4. Whitefield Academy (28-4)
5. Wilcox County (23-3)
6. Pace Academy (26-4)
7. Turner County (22-10)
8. North Cobb Christian (28-3)
9. Lanier County (22-6)
10. Paideia (22-7)
GIRLS
Class AAAAA
1. Norcross (29-3)
2. Campbell (25-7)
3. McEachern (25-7)
4. North Gwinnett (22-7)
5. Mill Creek (18-14)
6. Hillgrove (22-6)
7. Roswell (22-8)
8. North Cobb (25-6)
9. Milton (19-6)
10. Alpharetta (22-6)
Class AAAA
1. Fayette County (28-5)
2. Forest Park (26-6)
3. Chattahoochee (28-4)
4. Douglas County (30-1)
5. Statesboro (26-4)
6. Alcovy (25-4)
7. Clarke Central (26-5)
8. McIntosh (26-5)
9. Miller Grove (20-10)
10. Chamblee (23-1)
Class AAA
1. Washington County (32-0)
2. Dalton (32-1)
3. Columbia (25-7)
4. St. Pius (25-6)
5. Westover (25-6)
6. Sandy Creek (23-5)
7. Crisp County (15-15)
8. Grovetown (25-3)
9. Butler (16-15)
10. Cartersville (19-12)
Class AA
1. Buford (29-3)
2. Greater Atlanta Christian (25-8)
3. Laney (29-2)
4. Kendrick (29-1)
5. Northeast-Macon (28-4)
6. Morgan County (23-7)
7. Thomasville (24-3)
8. Dodge County (19-10)
9. Vidalia (27-1)
10. Rabun County (27-4)
Class A
1. Wesleyan (31-2)
2. Pace Academy (27-6)
3. St. Francis (24-4)
4. SW Atlanta Christian (24-5)
5. Turner County (24-7)
6. Calvary Day (26-6)
7. Taylor County (24-3)
8. Bryan County (27-4)
9. Darlington (25-5)
10. Towns County (27-2)
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118 comments Add your comment
bill
March 13th, 2011
5:34 pm
It’s not really a championship since they recruit athletes vs other schools that follow the rules and don’t recruit. It’s a sham.
dandydawg
March 13th, 2011
6:02 pm
I agree with Bill, but we also know that some large public schools recruit athletes.
black1
March 13th, 2011
6:28 pm
Notice how all the schools that recruit, the supports swear up and down that their coach is innocent. I mean then the AJC dont want u to talk about it. I can say whatever I want. All the schools that won the championship are loaded with transfers. Whether legal or illegal. lets see Buford, Norcross, MG, CHS, GAC, Weselyn. So should we put an * by the names when GHSA finally step up and do something about it. This is lagging in Education and Athletics. At least if you are going to transfer, MOVE your entire family. Hey, but what about the rule of sitting out “one full year”.
black1
March 13th, 2011
6:29 pm
This state is lagging
black1
March 13th, 2011
6:33 pm
Oh yeah let me answer the question!!! people dont remember you if win 29 games and no championship. Too many all stars not enough role players.Once again they are overrated. I dont think Royal was that good anyway. He played lazy and didnt dominate. May need to look at another school outside of the ACC. I dont think Parker is ready for the ACC, even next year. Like Sullinger, just a big guy making lay ups
onlooker
March 13th, 2011
7:14 pm
U r crazy about Parker! I see him on a daily basis and he is hands down the hardest worker in GA, thats on his game and in the weightroom! He will be playing anywhere he wants on the collegiate level!
Bswanman
March 13th, 2011
7:18 pm
Wheeler is not better than Peachtree Ridge..
bigdawg
March 13th, 2011
7:20 pm
WACO girls beat 6 of the to 10 girls in AAA…. There the best team in the state of GA…..
ray
March 13th, 2011
7:30 pm
Congrats to MG for another state championship…3peat!!! Congrats to Columbia as well for another state championship…4th in the last 6 years. Would like to see all these state champions play for all the marbles. Would be interesting. Does anybody know if any of these GA teams have been invited to the ESPNU national tournament???
Babs
March 13th, 2011
9:40 pm
All I can say is my child was NOT recruited by a High School coach. It was solely their decision to want to go play under that High School coach and we. as a family, decided that moving into that district was going to best for them as well as the entire family, so I defintiely CAN NOT relate and Know NOTHING about schools that recruit. Yes, it may go on in SOME High Schools But I am a witness that it is NOT going on in the NORCROSS girls program.
S'paw_99
March 13th, 2011
10:04 pm
I think they need to change the formatting of how people get into the state tournament. In the way they have it now, the Regular Season means Absolutely NOTHING. If it’s the top 4 teams form the region tournament that get in, it’s possible that a team can go 0 – for in the regular season, win a couple of games in their region tourney & make state, while a team can have an undefeated regular season & get left out if they have 1 bad game in their region tourney.
Just like the Big Dance, the Region Tourney Champs should get automatic berths, but there needs to be some at large berths to let teams that had great regular seasons get in, despite having one bad night. Teams like Collins Hill, & South Gwinn. that were in the top 10 rankings for most of the regular season should get in the state tourney regardless of how they do in their region tourneys.
atlgent
March 13th, 2011
10:07 pm
Second, Milton still is one of the best teams in Georgia history. So is Norcross. In 1979, SW Macon didn’t play any teams as good as Miller Grove and Norcross.
@ Mr Holcomb…
I disagree with this statement simply because Northeast-Macon played the same schedule as Southwest-Macon and did not lose to ANYONE else but Southwest-Macon. As stated in a previous blog, NE-Macon finished 25-5 with ALL 5 losses to SW-Macon which included the AAAA championship game. Included in those victories were a couple of quality and possibly ranked out of state opponents.
That is being stated with no disrespect to Miller Grove or Norcross. I saw both teams play this year a few times. Miller grove was always solid and Norcross improved as a cohesive unit and became more fluid offensively and scrappy defensively each time I saw them.
atlgent
March 13th, 2011
10:26 pm
The brand of high school basketball is different in this day and age than in the late 70’s, 80′ and early 90’s. No 3 point shot back then but teams were putting up just as many points because they were honestly better offensively. They also shot better back in the day and were developed from a system that started in junior high–for the young heads, what is now called a middle school was called a junior high back then.
These days, players are more athletic. maybe stronger and may play much more throughout the year together due to AAU and such but OLD school players were crafty and ingenious around the basket with much height.
Its debatable as to which eras had the better teams and such but I have been pleased and blessed to see the talent of basketball players around this state. I have no opinion on recruited athletes and schools and such but I will say that WE all desire whats best for our kids and as the father to an intellectually gifted son, I WILL enroll him in the better school that will basically insure that he is noticed for his academics. Therefore, I do agree with the athlete going to a school that will lead him/her to be noticed as an athlete. A fan of a school may not agree with that but if that fan is a father or a mother, he/she would probably want that for their kids as well…..
Its a dog eat dog world out here….
Good luck to all the athletes and its been a great year and I look forward to the next…
Todd Holcomb
March 13th, 2011
10:55 pm
atlgent – I was aware that NE Macon was the Allydar to Affirmed that year. (Had to throw in a Kentucky Derby analogy.) Did NE have the number of high-profile recruits that Norcross or Miller Grove have? Maybe they did, but I would be surprised. You might argue that it doesn’t matter, it’s the team that counts, but my original point wasn’t to disparage basketball in the ’70s or any other decade. It was just to point out that the top teams today have become all-star teams because of the transfer phenomenon, and there are a few of them each year.
”Wheeler is not better than Peachtree Ridge.”
I thought more people would complain about P’Ridge being too high than too low. You might be right about Wheeler, but I’m not sure that North Gwinnett would agree. Maybe Norcross thinks so. Depends on whom you ask, but a fair question indeed.
Wesleyan Fan
March 13th, 2011
11:24 pm
I think Wesleyan should be considered being in the final top ten. They played really well all season but had a tough loss in the region tournament along with a tough first round match-up at Whitefield. If Wesleyan had gotten past Whitefield, they could have made a serious run.
Question?
March 13th, 2011
11:30 pm
Todd, how do you have Mill Creek ranked so high on the girls side with 14 losses? Also, there are a few other teams with 15. That doesn’t seem like they should be anywhere near the top 10.
dagrapevine
March 13th, 2011
11:53 pm
mill creek 18-12 ranked ahead of walton,valdosta and newton?
really!
i’ve noticed we want to have this a few atlanta area teams just had a bad nite,but they where better than some other teams that made it to the final four.seems like i’ve heard that same argument before when it comes to football from the south ga. folks,but i dont remember mr.holcomb supporting that posistion before.
like coach wright bazemore use to say “theres one sure fire way to make it to the title game and thats win.afterall,your only as good as your worst nite”.
Dale Willard
March 14th, 2011
1:04 am
People….relax. Hes just one man trying to put out rankings for 10 different polls. The only ranking that really matters is whos #1. Everything after that is subjective.
YANKEEGATOR
March 14th, 2011
1:42 am
Todd how can Milton be one of the greatest when they blew a late lead and only won one title. SW Macon,Southside and Westover of Albany would kill the new school.
Honest Opinion!!!
March 14th, 2011
2:06 am
The Only teams I can give true credit to for honestly winning the state title this year is Wilkinson CO, Washington CO girls, and possibly the Fayette county girls (dont really know enough about them).
You can put a Mark McGuire, Barry Bonds asterisk on Norcross B&G, Miller Grove, Columbia, and Buford girls……I’m not going to put an asterisk just italicize GAC and Weslyan championships since technically its not against the rules for private schools to recruit or accept transfers.
Hornet Girls Fan
March 14th, 2011
3:28 am
Todd a couple of house keeping items first. You have a typo on the 5A and 4A girls. You left off an A on each classification. Now down to the real business. You make a good case for Milton being rated #1, 2, or 3. You need to be consistent in your logic. If Milton is not #1 because Norcross beat them in the playoffs then how is North Gwinnett girls ranked 4th and Roswell girls ranked 7th. Roswell beats NG in the playoffs just like Norcross beats Milton. Roswell deserves to be ranked at least in front of NG wherever you place NG or you should be consistent and move Milton ahead of Norcross. It pains me to say that because I am glad Milton lost but I think you are showing your Gwinnett bias again, football season is over. Correct your typos and correct the rankings for the Roswell girls. In case you forgot Roswell was the #1 seed and beat the #2 seeded North Gwinnett girls by 3 points 38-35 in the 2nd round of the playoffs in a great defensive battle. I don’t think Roswell could handle Norcross but they sure gave Mill Creek all they wanted and should have won that game. They pulled a Milton and lost it in the last 3 minutes otherwise you are looking at a final 4 team and possibly making it to the final. This team does not have any super stars but they are a very solid team with a very aggressive defense. I think Mill Creek moves to 4th, NG moves to 7th and you can flip a coin to decide whether Roswell or Hill Grove is ranked 5th with the loser getting the 6th position. I am really hoping you had three typos and you just made a mistake on your placement of Roswell just like you left of the A’s.
LAKE OCONEE DAWG
March 14th, 2011
5:36 am
Football, Basketball, and baseball State Championships in most locals should all have an asterisk beside their names…There are not only schools but coaches out there because of the lack of oversight by the GHSA that are looking really good because of all the transfers/recruits that show up on their campuses every year in football, basketball, and yes baseball…Everybody wants to win the ring, so you get an apartment and go play with a powerhouse that only needs one more stud to win it…Congratulations to Wilkinson Co. and Washington County, and possibly Fayette County, the only true basketball champions for this year…
Buzz
March 14th, 2011
8:03 am
Todd…… You want to see a school who RECRUITS and gets away with it so far…. Fayette County H.S. I guess it paid off for the girls team. Congrats Cheaters!!!!!!
GRRR
March 14th, 2011
8:13 am
Douglas County Girls are AAAA and you have them ranked fourth in AAA.
GRRR
March 14th, 2011
8:14 am
I see what you’ve done. You have the girls classifications wrong. There is no AAAAA.
Sweat Tea
March 14th, 2011
8:43 am
BUZZ, you are wrong about Fayette County. I have follow this program for years FC only had one female to come there this year and she was not reruited. One other came two years ago and she was not recruited. Most of these gilrs play at the middle school before coming over to the High school. They win Boys and Girls with good coaching, hard work and smarts. Best damn public school system in state.
Buzz
March 14th, 2011
8:49 am
Seeet Tea in fact you are incorrect. Very few of their boys or girls ever played at Fayette Middle school. I’m not saying that they don’t have great coaches because they do, but it’s awful fishy when you regularly have move ins from other counties. They have had WAY more than 2 move ins that your say!!!!! Get your facts straight!!!!
Say What?
March 14th, 2011
8:50 am
Honest Opinion – You don’t know much about Wilkinson Co. Basketball if you don’t think that they recruit. Geter is one of the top recruiters in the state. Look into that a little more. Yes, WILCO is a county school in the middle of the state, but he has been grabbing everyones best players within a 100 miles for years and building his program.
Joe white
March 14th, 2011
8:52 am
Shouts out the the columbia eagles for winning another state championship.
MasterRattler
March 14th, 2011
9:02 am
Todd your high-profile recruits argument for Milton & Norcross being better “teams” than the best teams of 80’s and 90’s is flawed. Just look at the current Miami Heat to see that. I dont care many great players you have on a team…if you can’t close the deal then you are no better than a team with no recruits at all. Also during the 70’s and 80’s Southwest was the largest HS in the country with over 5,000 students …. http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:MCuriXTsOGQJ:schools.bibb.k12.ga.us/southwest/lib/southwest/SW_Dedication_2009.doc+1979+Southwest+patriots+basketball&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&client=firefox-a&source=www.google.com
Sweet Tea
March 14th, 2011
9:06 am
Buzz, I know exactly what I am talking about. I have lived their for 11 years with kids attending both middle and high as well as participation in both sports and I’m very involved with football and basketball. I can account for two players that have moved into the area to play on this squad over the past two years. Now when they repeat next year with all born and raised girls from the county dont want to hear about recruitment again. Creme always rise to the top.
Mr.Coach
March 14th, 2011
9:25 am
The bottom line on recruiting is that it happens and some schools get away with it every year. No school has enough talent in its attendance area to play for the State Championship every year. What ever happened to going on a two year run then struggling a couple of years while your program rebuilds. Now nobody rebuilds they just reload. There is no telling who will be on some of these teams rosters next year. Is there any such thing as attendance areas anymore?
Mr.Coach
March 14th, 2011
9:28 am
I don”t think any of these teams are better the Decatur High teams of 1981-83. They would have got blown out in the Decatur Rec. The teams of today are talented but they didn’t have the heart of the teams in the 80’s.
Guest
March 14th, 2011
9:34 am
Valdosta #8 ? LOL
What a joke. You Atlanta types are pathetic.
BehindEnemyLines
March 14th, 2011
9:35 am
Seems as though some folks may confuse transfers with recruits, but what strikes me is that successful programs aren’t likely to need to “recruit” in order to be a popular destination. Kids & parents aren’t exactly unaware of where top programs exists, and that’s whether we’re talking about basketball, football, music, chemistry, whatever. I’d say there’s an enormous gap between parents who want to provide the best opportunity for their child to succeed vs programs pulling out the checkbook to coerce someone to make a switch. I believe the latter is pretty uncommon in GA simply because the better programs – athletically or academically – don’t have to recruit, the transfers are knocking on their doors.
Petey
March 14th, 2011
9:54 am
All the “recruiting” grumbling is just sour grapes from people who don’t have a program that attracts these “street-wise” kids and parents. I can’t say it any clearer than Babs did above. The schools and program draws the kids and parents. There’s no recruiting taking place. If you refuse to believe you are just looking for an excuse to bash a school. It is no different now than 15-20 years ago in the Parkview football heyday.
Milton had an excellent team. Not super big and I feel a little overrated especially Royal. I’m a Norcross supporter and I think Milton would probabaly win 5 or 6 times out of 10 they played.
To those touting Milton for next year and their 2 returning players. Norcross has 4 of their top 7 players returning including their best player (Bolden), their starting point guard (Herbert) and their 6th (Croom – sometime starter) and 7th men ( Nate Sims).
BSswanman again wrong. Ptree Ridge was not better than Wheeler.
snoopy
March 14th, 2011
9:55 am
Congratulations to the Lady Wolves of Buford..
& as I have said many times on these blogs, there’s no better HS football/basketball (B or G) talent in the entire USA than Gwinnett County…
Don’t hate – Appreciate
Buzz
March 14th, 2011
10:02 am
Look what happens when Dunwoody boys stopped recruiting!!!! Or maybe Coach Bracco was that good???
Sweet Tea only 4 of the 12 Varsity girls went to Fayette Middle and of those 4 only 2 played very much. Their top notch players were all move ins or better know as RECRUITING!!!! Their best players were all MOVE-INS from other counties very close to Fayette. Examples- Coweta, Clayton and Spalding!! The girls AAU recruiting pipeline is funneling girls to Fayette H.S. and now the last couple of years they have started recruiting them in Middle School. Sweet Tea check your facts!!!!
bigeasy830
March 14th, 2011
10:03 am
@ Todd Holcomb
So you would rather a Highschool team to build, meaning recruit players, than grow a team, meaning young boys and girls that grew up together and played together since Rec. league. I mean you are an example of the problem with sports. My little brother won a Class A football state title in the late 90’s with kids he had played with since he was 9. That core of kids won it all his senior year. There is no greater joy than watching or being apart of something the grows from hard work. I bet you are one of those that criticized Lebron James when he decided to “take his talents to South Beach”, In the pros they get paid just to win, in college you better win or else, on the highschool level the game should be more pure and there should be more love of the game. I am a huge sports fan but I will never put a team the recruited players ahead of the 79 SW Macon team lead by Jeff Malone and Terry Fair. Also, the AJC is read by people state wide so your bias against the teams from South Ga is very disrespectful.
G-dub
March 14th, 2011
10:08 am
I agree with black1 Royal is way overrated I saw him play the last 3 years and I have never been impressed. Parker is overrated, just because he works hard does not make him a good ball player. He is average. Todd why are you writing an article defending Milton, they got their butts handed to them and now you want to bring up the Macon teams from the 70’s. Let the past go the game has changed. Congrats Norcross, Columbia, MG
LAKE OCONEE DAWG
March 14th, 2011
10:12 am
BehindEnemyLines:
The whole business stinks….Sam Burke, the old headmaster of the GHSA, is spinning in his grave….He would have quit his job before he would have put his OK on what is going on now with the move-ins, move-outs, recruitment, etc, etc….That successful programs draw the best players is the excuse that is given now for the recruitment process….It started with private schools who were allowed to play in the GHSA, and then the public schools said, hey, if they’re gonna do it, we might as well too….They will spin it a bunch of different ways, but everyone knows that recruiting is taking place, rules are being broken, kids who are playing on championship teams are living in apartments only during that season, and, oh by the way, they get their mail sent their, so now they have a residence….Cheating is Cheating, what has happened is some have cheated and now to keep up with the Joneses, everybody has gotten into the act….Maybe the Washington County girls, after reading what I have read here, may be the only team that should have STATE CHAMPION written after their name, while many of the others should have an ****asterisk is front of their names….SEEMS AS THOUGH TOO MANY OF THESE TRANSFERS ARE OUTSTANDING ATHLETES….BUT THE SPINNERS WILL TELL YOU THEY ARE TRANSFERRING BECAUSE OF ANY REASON OTHER THAN ATHLETICS….TO THEM, IT IS ONLY CHEATING IF YOU GET CAUGHT……IT HAS UNLEVELED THE PLAYING FIELD, AND SAM BURKE WOULD NOT HAVE ALLOWED IT…..IF THE GHSA IS WORRIED ABOUT BEING SUED, BUY SOME SUEING INSURANCE AND STOP THIS MESS….IT HAS GOTTEN TO BE A JOKE…..
G-dub
March 14th, 2011
10:13 am
@Babs I thought that a couple of girls transfered from Stephenson
LAKE OCONEE DAWG
March 14th, 2011
10:16 am
OH, FORGOT TO SAY……WITH THE STATE CHAMPIONSHIPS IN BASKETBALL OVER, IT IS TIME TO START RECRUITING FOR NEXT YEAR….GET IN GOOD WITH THAT AAU MAN WHO IS COACHING OR OWNS THE TEAM, AND HE WILL FUNNEL PLAYERS YOUR WAY, AND YOU WILL WAKE UP ONE DAY, AND ALL OF SUDDEN YOU HAVE BECOME A HELL OF A COACH….
LAKE OCONEE DAWG
March 14th, 2011
10:27 am
Caleb King could give a seminar on recruiting….He had it down pat before he signed with UGA, cause he went through the recruiting 3-4 times while still in high school…..
Todd Holcomb
March 14th, 2011
10:36 am
Someone mentioned Gwinnett bias. Well, this is a county that won five state titles. Norcross didn’t win its regular-season region title, then won state. Maybe we leaned to heavily toward Gwinnett in AAAAA. It’s just hard to ignore the success of those teams.
‘’I think Wesleyan should be considered being in the final top ten. They played really well all season but had a tough loss in the region tournament along with a tough first round match-up at Whitefield. If Wesleyan had gotten past Whitefield, they could have made a serious run.’’
We definitely considered Wesleyan’s boys. The problem was the loss to St. Francis and the No. 3 seed from the region. Also, there’s good depth in Class A. Not that St. Francis is bad by any means. Just a lot of worthy teams in A.
‘’You make a good case for Milton being rated #1, 2, or 3. You need to be consistent in your logic. If Milton is not #1 because Norcross beat them in the playoffs then how is North Gwinnett girls ranked 4th and Roswell girls ranked 7th. Roswell beats NG in the playoffs just like Norcross beats Milton. Roswell deserves to be ranked at least in front of NG wherever you place NG or you should be consistent and move Milton ahead of Norcross.’’
I did the boys rankings. Chip Saye did the girls. That’s one reason for the inconsistency, although I don’t have a big problem with Chip’s placement of North Gwinnett. We generally followed the ‘rule’ you mention, but made an exception for a team that had two wins over Norcross, loss on the road to Roswell. The road game was made possible for having been in Norcross’ region. Not saying you have to buy that logic, but that was the line of thinking. North Gwinnett was a special case.
“Douglas County Girls are AAAA and you have them ranked fourth in AAA”
Typo on the labeling of AAAA. We left off an A. Fixed.
“Todd your high-profile recruits argument for Milton & Norcross being better “teams” than the best teams of 80’s and 90’s is flawed. Just look at the current Miami Heat to see that. I dont care many great players you have on a team…if you can’t close the deal then you are no better than a team with no recruits at all.”
Good point about the Heat. Talent doesn’t make you great by itself. But which two teams made the AAAAA finals? Those with several Division I recruits. What’s the last team to win AAAAA without multiple D-I guys? I think you could win a state title with one or two top recruits years ago. I don’t think it can be done now in the highest class. But it’s a good question. Perhaps I’m overrating the overload of talent. Milton did have a weakness depth-wise inside that some lesser-talented teams of the past could’ve exploited if they had the right post players.
Richard
March 14th, 2011
10:37 am
WHO CARES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Petey
March 14th, 2011
10:38 am
What’s sad to me is these kids that go to GAC or Wesleyan that have talent but never get tested against the best competition of the bigger schools. Someone like AJ Davis will not develop his game fully playing against inferior competion. Just hurts these players in the end because they don’t develop as much and don’t go to the next level as battle tested. I saw some of the smaller school tourney games and the level of competition was far from AAAAA. Obviously Miller Grove is the exception. Could be some of these smaller school players really can’t play at the AAAAA level.
a Lowndes Viking
March 14th, 2011
10:45 am
Not a Valdosta fan at all, but I thought Jay Rome had a great game and held his own against the heavily recruited Norcross players. Cats should have been in the top 4
Miltonall the Way
March 14th, 2011
11:20 am
@Honest Opinion!!! before you talk about Wilco, I seem to see a couple of Baldwin county kids on your teams the last couple of years. Infact as far back as Montavious Adams. I think you had one this year as well…hint hint…
Recruiting
March 14th, 2011
11:27 am
How many transfers/recruits did Milton, Norcross, or Miller Grove have?
THEHILLISREAL
March 14th, 2011
12:15 pm
HMMMMM! I think that 1979 SW ATL was a pretty good team 30-1 and State Championship only loss to SW Macon. Notable players Gerald Wilkins & Joey Browner, AUgust Curley… Two NFL Players and a NBA player. Both teams were home grown not recruited to play at a certain school.
Love4Basketball
March 14th, 2011
12:16 pm
I am so tired hearing that these school recruit. I moved my child to one of these school 2 years ago because I wanted him in a good program. I was never once was contacted by the coach. What is wrong with parents wanting their kids in a good program? Whether it be for football, basketball, soccer or track. Those of you that are complaining help your school build a good program and maybe people will want to transfer over. I don’t feel guilty one bit, I want my child to have the best opportunity available and I feel like I made the right choice.
MGHS-alum
March 14th, 2011
12:36 pm
Recruiting, good question….. I bet no one will answer you. I am a recent graduate from Miller Grove and one thing i can say for sure it’s not easy to make that team!!!!
I know of several transfers out because they didn’t make the team but ended up playing at a different school, but because Tucker and CArver(Atlanta) are not champions nobody cares!
Michael
March 14th, 2011
12:38 pm
Todd,
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This is addressed to you and Burr. Back in the original blogs I disputed you and Burrr on where Milton should be ranked. I said they were alright but they had no low post presence and that was a major flaw. I also said that Norcross would probably win if the score was in the fifties. When scoring is low and and half court takes over you need low post and defense. It turns out my predictions were all right on. Burr for you you mentioned that this Milton team was better than the Aminu team with Tariq Muhammed. Tariq had a scholarship to Miami he didn’t have the grades and he is a superior passer and dribbler. They also ended up with four D! caliber players. Aminu is a lottery pick. Scott is really good but probably not a lottery pick. Basketball can be a fight of wills and who controls tempo. The Milton Norcross game was controlled by Norcross’s tempo for 22 of the 32 minutes. That is why they won. Burrr learn something about basketball. By the way at least Norcross has an actual diverse student body.
WAR
March 14th, 2011
1:07 pm
no one recalls when miller grove had freshmen playing more savvy, well developed programs when the school first opened. coach white and coach johnson worked their butts off and so did the students. they won championships because they work at it. by the way, many of the basketball players are div. 1 caliber AND they have the grades/test scores to match.
coach white is the coach k of high school basketball: recruit smart students who happen to play basketball
BullDawgRick
March 14th, 2011
2:14 pm
Uhh Petey – You are WRONG on the players from GAC & Wesleyean..
GAC – Brogdon is a top 5 player (IMO he’s the best) in the entire state & is going to Virginia
Wesleyean – Ever heard of Trey Thompkins?? First team All SEC at UGA..
Point I’m calling you out on is, these guys play in A & AA & are “tested” – they contribute at the next level very well…. So do not be “sad” for them.. You’re probably sad that they have such talent & a future beyong the HardWood…
Coach Who Knows
March 14th, 2011
2:14 pm
Your answer for Miller Grove is “zero” for this year! I have seen MG basketball for years now, and for the exception of Henry Brooks(arrived at MG his sophmore year), all of the players on this year’s championship team has been apart of the program since their freshman year of high school and they all played bball at the feeder middle schools! So, the respect should be given to the coaches for helping these young men develop their talents!!! Good job MG coaches!!
Goodman
March 14th, 2011
2:38 pm
Who’ the All-time best team? Impossible to say. But, I will say that the “79 Southwest Macon team was the most dominate team, within it’s level of competition, I have ever seen…high school, college, or pro,
Three Straight Plus One
March 14th, 2011
3:00 pm
I think Norcross boys varsity team should be considered the best 5-AAAAA team in the decade and this is why:
*won 4 of the last 6 state championships
*won 5 of last 7 region championships
*Elite 8 in State or better in last 7 years
*2nd or better in Region last 10 years
*Only lost 34 of the last 304 games or won 89%
*won every home game since mid 2002 or approx. 90 straight home games
*29 players have earned college scholarships
*6 players are professional players
mike
March 14th, 2011
3:07 pm
Funny how people try to compare teams from different time periods. You can do that if you have no clue about high school basketball of those eras. You do it when you don’t know but think you have a point to make. Gwinnett finally have people move into that county with kids who play ball. For years it was not like that. As I have seen with other areas of the metro Atlanta, when people lose, can’t win, the first thing that comes out is recruitment, transfers and all the rest of the clap trap people say when they lose. If your school or your kids can’t win on the court, try a little harder next time. Stop crying like babies.
highfliers
March 14th, 2011
3:38 pm
Woodward definitely top 10 in AAA with 22-8 record….lost to Columbia by 2…Head Coach Anthony Thomas an up and comer…needs to work on his player communication skills and not worry about legacy issues, if you know what I mean.
Silk
March 14th, 2011
3:46 pm
Wilkinson Co recruits, had two this year, one from Dublin and one from Baldwin. Had four the last time they won!
Wolverines
March 14th, 2011
4:09 pm
People, please have concrete evidennce before you accuse a program or school on recruiting. Does it go on, yes? But recruiting has been going for decades. How does one classify recruiting? If player ‘A’ enrolls at a school as a 9th grader, but didn’t attend the feeder middle school is that classified as recruiting?
In Miller Grove’s case, as previously stated, Henry Brooks came to MG as a sophomore, from Landmark Christian. In addition, his family moved to ATL a short time after Hurrican Katrina hit New Orleans. The rest of the team have been playing at MGHS since their 9th grade season. Outside of Brooks, Tony Parker is the only Wolverine to play on varsity since freshman year, the rest were developed on phenomenal JV teams.
Give coach S. White his credit..
Just a fan
March 14th, 2011
4:22 pm
Milton recruits in more sports than basketball- a formal complaint was filed against them for football recruiting, and they did it in lacrosse too. They took the two top scorers from Centennial High School and then made them team captains for the game against Centennial, just to rub it in. the AD resigned in Dec for “health reasons’ so maybe the school will clean up its act, but i doubt it. the culture there supports it.
burrr
March 14th, 2011
4:31 pm
@michael They do have a post a presence what Milton’s problem was is that Royal is very inconsistent, and seems unmotivated. Taariq did not have an offer from miami, the only offer listed on rivals and scout is uab. I never compared Scott to Aminu either, im pretty sure i said Aminu is the best player on either team. I’ve seen Royal play against player far better than Alonzo and get the better of them. Alonzo got the better end of Royal in the championship. In Georgia it easy to dominate with size period. With skilled size it even easier, Which is why Norcross dominated so well with their huge frontline. However they lost out of state to teams with size. I’d still say Milton can match up with that norcross team, and would without a doubt win a series with this years Norcross team. Norcross won when it counted this year so thats all that matters.
wolfman
March 14th, 2011
4:45 pm
@Petey: Not tested? Wesleyan girls lost to Norcross by 1, beat Hoover (AAAAA from Alabama), etc…
Michael
March 14th, 2011
4:46 pm
they did not have post presence. Every person said the Royal faces the basket. Post presence means your back is to the basket. There are 3 moves off the post a scoop, a turn around and a hook. he exhibited none of these moves. If anything he played a high post. secondly, it doesn’t have to be your big man posting. Adrian Dantley posted for the Pistons at 6′4″. Milton was a slash team that worked off of Scott’s penetration. As I mentioned make Scott score thirty to win and I said that if the score was in the fifties that Norcross could win. Now what was your prediction and what was mine and who was right.
Michael
March 14th, 2011
5:05 pm
Burr,
It’s not only in Georgia that size and skill dominates. It is at all levels in every league in the country. That is why there is always a call for a big man. There are two things you can’t teach speed and size. Julian’s downfall is he is lead footed or as I used to describe Jon Koncak. “Mr cement feet”.The game is all about quickness and speed because the guy you are guarding is about the same size as you so the one who is quicker get’s the advantage. In the half court game it is lateral movement that counts.
Lonnie Walls
March 14th, 2011
5:36 pm
Let me give you some help with the SW Macon vs. Milton Argument! No 3-pt in 79 Southwest had Jeff Malone as the 3rd leading scorer and a deadeye shooter just think what he would do with the 3 pt. Let’s break it down with matchups.
SF- Michael Hunt vs Nolte Hunt was a great player would give up 4 inches. Nolte can shoot and play the floor.
PF- Hook Mcarthy vs Shaquille Johnson desire and hard work!
C. Terry Fair vs. Julian Royal Fair would kill him inside. Remember he struggled against big strong centers
SG- Jeff Malone vs. Dai jon Parker NBA range three pointer.
PG- Bobby Jones Western Kentucky vs. Shannon Scott the only one Milton wins hands down but Jones was a college starter and great facilitator. I think Southwest had competition from Darrel Lockhart, Dale Ellis, Lamar Heard, as well as a great NE team plus Baldwin County was where the world famous BC camp took place and don’t forget Dollar and his pipeline to Auburn from Douglas in Atlanta. AAU has equalized the competition for small school stars like Nick Marshall, Kentavious Caldwell among others but teams like Southwest with former pros was a pipeline for stars.
Michael
March 14th, 2011
5:48 pm
Why are we even discussing Milton. They in reality lost in the quarters to Norcross last year and they lost this year. If you are dominant team then you win. bottom line
Peach County Fan
March 14th, 2011
6:06 pm
Georgia have your fun this year because for the next 3 years Peach County Trojans will be dominating basketball like they do football. The two freshman phenoms are on the rise.(Hill 10, Sams 21)
onlooker
March 14th, 2011
6:21 pm
mg had no one come in last yr
randy perry
March 14th, 2011
6:37 pm
Milton,Norcross,and Miller Grove I believe all 3 school are recruiting and some others school as well. There no way a high school can have all the best players each year and I don;t think it fair to the others school and I think the GHSA need to step in and do something about it. So GHSA start looking to see if the student are playing at the right school. I am looking forward to hearing from you.
Just me
March 14th, 2011
7:14 pm
Everybody’s lumping GAC in with those other schools, but the boys’ and girls’ teams only had one transfer each. All the other kids on the team have been at GAC for MANY years. The transfer on the girls’ team came from out of state. Stop making excuses and beat us.
Confused
March 14th, 2011
7:16 pm
@Wolverines!! Yes Miller Grove benefits greatly from transfer-ins/recruiting. If the kid went to an elementary or middle school that feeds into a different Dekalb County school and transfers to MG in the 9th grade its still shady business and unfair. If they rent an apartment in MGHS district to play b-ball it’s shady business……..
If your child is so great he/she should be able to win and put their local school on the map…don’t give me that exposure crap……if the kid can ball the coaches and scholly offers will find them wherever they happen to play.
Angry parent
March 14th, 2011
7:35 pm
Confused u picked the right name because u have no idea if these families relocated for the reason of exposure or not, because if that is the case perfectly legal according to GHSA!
Both r risky business, transferring/recruiting and taking the chance of not getting the offers being at the right place at the right time at the expense of the parents if they choose to relocate for the well being of their child what parent could blame them.
My family have been in a similar position and were fortunate enough to purchase a home within the proper zone & rent the previous home out to someone else this all for the sake of my child’s future which land full scholarships from all over the U.S.
In my opinion there is too much focus on things that don’t concern you.
Nato145
March 14th, 2011
9:45 pm
Help me understand something about the Norcross/Milton final. Shannon Scott owned the Blue Devils in the 2nd quarter. He wasn’t a factor after half time–maybe only 2 points to finish with 16. Was it Norcross defense or Milton coaching?
Zone3canE
March 14th, 2011
10:11 pm
Miller Grove people there’s no need to defend yourself. People who are really from Atlanta no yall ain’t gotta RECRUIT nobody cause yall got BALLERS in yall SCHOOL ZONE. Let’s stay focused people the CHEATERS are real easy to remember, NORCROSS, MILTON, and WHEELER! Say it with me NORCROSS, MILTON, and WHEELER! People who are not from Atlanta might not know there’s a big difference in the NORTH METRO AREA, and the SOUTH METRO AREA of Atlanta. SOUTH FULTON, SOUTH DeKALB, THE CITY of ATLANTA and CLAYTON CO. are loaded with BALLPLAYERS, obviously the NORTH METRO AREA is not that’s why they continuosly raid our communities for THE BEST B-BALL PLAYERS they can CON into helping them STEAL CHAMPIONSHIPS. Congrats to MILLER GROVE and COLUMBIA true champions!
Three Straight Plus One
March 15th, 2011
5:51 am
Norcross is known for it effective defense. In 2008, an unmanned Norcross beat a highly tallented Wheeler for the state championship. This year since figuring out how to play together, Norcross kept the last 17 teams under 61 points and 16 under 57 while avg 65.
Michael
March 15th, 2011
8:19 am
I beg to differ on the 2008 team. They played beautifully as a team and had a lottery pick on the team. They had the right components to play including a dynamite point guard who really knew how to play the point. They were able to mix inside and out and if you remember the ESPN game the announcers said that Norcross was the best team they saw that year.
andre
March 15th, 2011
8:40 am
congrats to turner county boys and girls basketball team.they going to be great next year returning alot
Proud Georgian
March 15th, 2011
11:43 am
“State titles in Class AAAAA can’t be won any more without multiple player transfers”
What a crying shame!
Hahaha
March 15th, 2011
11:51 am
Peach County Fan
March 14th, 2011
6:06 pm
Georgia have your fun this year because for the next 3 years Peach County Trojans will be dominating basketball like they do football. The two freshman phenoms are on the rise.(Hill 10, Sams 21)”
IF THEY ARE THAT GOOD THEY WILL BE TRANSFERRING TO NORCROSS, MILTON OR WHEELER!
BS
March 15th, 2011
11:58 am
How stupid is the folks that run Georgia Highscool sports? Allow some schools to recriut and skedule the team they stole their player from?
Hahahahahahahahahahaha
skip
March 15th, 2011
12:02 pm
Zone3Cane:
Are you frikin kidding me? EVERY person who is not from Atlanta knows there’s a big difference in the NORTH METRO AREA, and the SOUTH METRO AREA of Atlanta.
skip
March 15th, 2011
12:08 pm
black1
March 13th, 2011
6:29 pm
This state is lagging
DELTA IS READY WHEN YOU ARE BIG MAN!
Show me
March 15th, 2011
12:25 pm
Show me a quarter final team that did not have a transfer and I will show you a team that won’t make the quarters next year. Make the player (AND COACH) sit out a year when transferring and see how many trasfers you have? Common sense folks. Something the GHSA lacks a great deal of!
Show me
March 15th, 2011
12:27 pm
Whatever happen to the private school that could recruit having to compete up one class?
black1
March 15th, 2011
12:59 pm
Ok so what u saying lil man. Well nobody is hating on MG. And their players didnt come from the same middle school team. Parker played at two different middle schools. Redan and Stephenson. So he should be playing for Redan and Steph. High. We all know this is out of control and alot of people are saying it now. Some other players played at different middle school. So is it smart to recruit them as an 8th grader and make it appear that they are legit as a freshman.
peter
March 15th, 2011
1:02 pm
Wesleyan recruits– Trey Thompkins.. GAC recruits–Malcolm Brgdan
JustMyOpinon
March 15th, 2011
1:40 pm
No coach has to recruit in DeKalb, Ballers are everywhere. If you coach at any school that feeds off of I-20 east, you should be fired for not winning.
AAAA-Fan
March 15th, 2011
1:46 pm
To everyone, mainly black1
It’s evident that this family moved around frequently if Tony parker went to two different middle schools with only 3 grades. Why couldn’t it be that his parents were looking to a perfect fit for Tony and they found it at Miller Grove. and not just because he went to a certain middle school does not permanently force him to attend the feeder high school if the family no longer reside in that zone.
You people must not have any children!!!!!
It is not ideal to move your children in the middle of the school year so why not let the child finish at one school and then move and transfer your child to the correct school of origin.
And to answer your last question recruiting at anytime by any means is not wise. But for the assumption to be made that parker should be playing at one of these two schools is absurd because regardless of which of these two schools he was playing ball the other one would have a problem.
People just have to have something to talk about and right now it’s Tony Parker.
Good Luck Tony in whatever and wherever your path leads you.
Fly McFaddin
March 15th, 2011
2:10 pm
@JustMO
If what you say about I-20 east is true, what’s wrong with Lithonia High?
Show me
March 15th, 2011
2:33 pm
I personally think basketball should be dropped as a sport. Nothing but problems and bad press like this thread
Show me
March 15th, 2011
2:37 pm
Schools that recruit should not be allowed to play schools that don’t. Even tournaments. Programs that have the funds to recruit should use the funds for travel expenses to play the other 40 teams in the state that play by YOUR rules
Show me
March 15th, 2011
2:38 pm
black1:
Stay off the adult blogs will you?
Tired of ATL embarrassing all of GA
March 15th, 2011
4:00 pm
Everybody thinks South/middle Georgia hoops can’t compare with ATL area hoops, but the truth is South/middle Georgia Hoops just can’t compare with the “all-atlanta area AAU recruited high school teams”. Check the history!!! Middle and south ga won all the time in hoops up until the this recruiting era. Tift County, Valdosta, Savannah, and Beach high school have all gone to the final four or semis in recent history for AAAAA (None of which are really AAAAA in enrollment). These schools lost to similiar teams Wheeler, Norcross, and Milton. Other cities in GA like Augusta, Albany, Macon, and Columbus have similiar complaints with the smaller public and private classification schools doing the same thing up in ATL……
VALDOSTA is the true AAAAA champs in my opinion.
Cinque Johnson
March 15th, 2011
4:34 pm
Boyd simply “overcoached” in the championship game against Norcross!!!! He is an excellent coach and his record bears this out, but why switch to the “4-corner’s offense” when it was not necessary? His strategy at the end of the game is what the under dog does!
Petey
March 15th, 2011
5:55 pm
BULLDAWGRick, 1st the jury is still way out on Brogdan. He is likely to be slower to adjust to the D1 game springboarding from GAC after basically coasting there for 2 years. He was well coached by Martin there.
Tompkins spent a year at Oak Hill. He recognized the benefit of playing top notch competition. Possibly he’s all SEC because he’s a SR and most of the NBA guys leave after their 1st or 2nd year of college?
Wolfman, I was talking about boys basketball. D1 level girls are pretty good but they are few and far between.
Michael
March 15th, 2011
6:44 pm
Boyd didn’t overcoach. McMillan grabbed the tempo and never let Boyd get it back. Basketball is about who controls tempo when the teams are basically evenly matched. Case in point.Knicks- Boston in the seventies(if Boston controlled tempo the score was in the 100’s and Boston won) Lakers- Boston in the eighties. If Boston slowed it to half court they won and if it was showtime the Lakers won.
Southern by the grace of God
March 16th, 2011
6:04 am
With regards to all of the talk of schools recruiting in basketball, one must keep in mind that the transient nature of the population of Metro Atlanta means that kids and their families aren’t just moving into a given district from another district in Metro Atlanta or Georgia, but alot of kids may move-in to a local school district from out of state. Many families may research the area and decide what school may give their kids the best opportunity for academic and athletic success and pick a school to move into from out-of-state based on that’s school’s record of academic and athletic success. The Norcrosses, Miltons and Wheelers and even for that matter the Miller Grove’s of the world in hs basketball have one thing in common besides a record of success on the court: their great academic schools as well as great athletic schools. These schools consistently win in the classroom as well as on the court and that helps to continuously attract student-athletes to their basketball programs.
Of course “recruiting” in the most literal sense occurs and if a school willfully reaches out and attempts to lure a student-athlete from another public school district then they are wrong but I don’t think that is actually the case the vast majority of the time. The fact of the matter is that in a free society of a highly transient nature, an organization like the GHSA can only do very little to stop “recruiting”. Parents that know that their child may have enough talent to earn a full-ride scholarship may actually shop around on their very own for the best athletic program and academic situation to relocate their family into. I’ve seen ALOT of parents, on their own merit, approach coaches because they’re trying to give their child the best shot at a full-ride scholarship. The GHSA can deter programs from reaching out and stealing other schools’ players, but they can’t stop parents from reaching out and seeking out an opportunity for their child on their own without resorting to rather draconian measures. The GHSA has actually stated in the past that they to crackdown on kids who may transfer into a new school because they don’t want to punish kids and their families who are trying to get in the best position possible to get scholarships to college. So i wouldn’t really expect the GHSA to address the issue of transfers anytime soon because they don’t want kids to lose post-secondary opportunities in their eyes.
Decatur 4 Life
March 16th, 2011
10:18 am
First of all let me say this, Tired of ATL embarrassing all of GA u have got to put that meth down and get real. I’m tired of S. Georgia bringing these mediocre teams up here during playoff time and expecting to compete it just aint gonna happen. Valdosta had a good team and played Norcross well I commend yall for that, I don’t see why u can’t say that about our teams. I give credit where its due, you’re right about how south GA used to to win. (Dougherty, Westover, Savannah and Beach) I was born and raised right here so I know the history heck I was on a team that lost in the AAA finals to Dougherty in 97. The fact is our population has changed in ATL since then, when thousands of people move here daily we don’t have to recruit. New kids come in all the time that’s why u can’t compete with us, just give us our due credit we give u guys credit during football season. Now all of a sudden we’re cheaters b/c u can’t compete, sounds like sore losers to me. We didn’t complain when Valdosta won all those titles with 18-19 year old sophomores and juniors b/c they were being held back early on in school to ensure a good team year after year once they’re in high school. Please spare me with all of ur crying, just tighten up down there!
black1
March 16th, 2011
10:44 am
AAAA fan I dont have to answer to you. Its a blog so stop trying to control everything on here. U call me out so it is what it is. Read the rest of the blogs and its the same. I am just saying. people always bring up hate. I got kids and we will do things right. If you are good then they will find you. So dont call me out when everyone else is saying the same thing. Thats why our athlete rarely make it in school. The rules are not so easily bent in college. I tell you put Parker on a team with regular kids and see what you get. I preferr Shaq as the better big man in Ga to be honest. He can shoot, pass, and rebound. All I am saying there are hundreds of team in Ga and the fairness is not there. You got private schools playing below their class, then all these AAAA teams stacking their teams. I can careless about what u or anyone else say. So you stay a fan and I’m keeping doing what I do. Thanks George Bush aka AAAA fan
AAAA-Fan
March 16th, 2011
11:12 am
WHat you said was a bunch of gibberish, people are going to have their opinion from now on…….. and when Parker is gone it will be on to someone else. Oh, you must be one of the few parents that do things the right Please!!! There are plenty of parent that does things the right way so don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back Mr. Right Way!! Beside the basketball game, the grades are also being made at Miller Grove so by no means is this team all about how you play the game.
Shaq is a good player no argument here, ask him where he’s tried playing, trying to illegally come to teams that are winning. So his parent are just as gulity as the next. Since we are discussing calling someone out.
What is it that you are do? since you’re doing you, black sounds yet again like HATE to me. Regardless of how you try to pass it off you and everyone else that make comments that you have no concrete evidence about are only Haters but we need you ALL to get and stay at the top.
You are Welcome black See you next year……………..
black1
March 16th, 2011
12:46 pm
ok no evidence. ask anyone in Dekalb and they will tell you. What do you do? I am a coach and educator. Thats what I do? What you want evidence on? You can always check records of where kids played in middle school. Did their feeder school middle school team win a championship? NO. So right will be glad to debate with you next year, but wait I watch more than basketball? What sport is next to debate on? Different issue and arugment makes this blog fun. I would never say there may not be any evidence. There’s always evidence. Didnt say I do all things right, but are u admitting to guilt? Thanks AAAAA for putting laughter in my day. Be safe out there!!!
AAAA-fan
March 16th, 2011
1:24 pm
You made the statment and I quote “I’m keep doing what I do” and from the looks of your blog comments not very much other than hating. what I do is of no consequence to you but I too am in the field of education and coach as well and not basketball !! so that’s enough to let you know that I watch more than one sport.
I am a quad A fan that means for every sport but that’s not his blogs topic and until Todd changes the sport that is the topic at hand. In my personal opinion I will be glad to discuss another sport because I am tired of hearing about basketball recruits let’s talk about other sports recruiting!!!!!
I know what you do it’s obviousy all over the blog what you do. Everybody in Georgia knows where Tony Parker went to middle school but yet I ask again are there no legal moves? & 2nd questions is there any evidence that this kid and his family did not relocate and for what reason is not a concern for the public to debate.
I have no reason of admission to guilt because my team is legal no recruiting here. I aim to win but if we don’t I don’t go persuading families to enroll in a specific school for a specific program.
I agree this has been quite entertaining and most people take these things to heart but it’s all fair game it’s a blog the faceless conversation. You do the same !
black1
March 16th, 2011
2:31 pm
cool. i expect to get some slack but cool. When I am done with it too. its cool u gotta be able to take a joke. I like the entertainment part of it. Well, I ask for another topic but havent got one yet. But history show I am not against a player transferring the right way. But when its not don right, then I got a problem. Cool. I am a fan of everyone too. I went to a Class A school, so I guess that would make me a A fan. I never get upset, but always get a chuckle from these blogs!!! Catch u kn the next topic. Hopefully it will be a good one.
N.S.
March 16th, 2011
4:26 pm
GREAT SEASON! GO BLUE DEVILS!
Cinque Johnson
March 16th, 2011
9:20 pm
Michael, Michael, Michael, you are comparing high school basketball to the pros where there is a shot clock? Boyd was guilty of “OVERCOACHING”. He had a 10 point lead in the 4th quarter and was doing fine before he switched to the 4 corner offense. Milton could have (and should have) won this game by 15 points. Sometimes a team can “grab” the tempo and sometimes you (Boyd) can give it them!!!
cat doc
March 17th, 2011
7:26 am
I don’t believe these private schools have any business playing in the state championships. Is greater atlanta christian private? Buford is I believe . Get the private schools out.
Michael
March 18th, 2011
11:27 am
They had a 10 point lead but they didn’t control the tempo. Norcross controlled the tempo from 4 minutes left in the third qtr. As I stated earlier. Milton had a large hole in their game. They had no inside game. In low scoring games that kills you.
Milty
March 18th, 2011
7:51 pm
It’s Wheeler and Norcross next year. Unless Milton gets Goodwin or Tony Parker, they will have nothing to compete with Chuck for Wheeler down low or Norcross’ depth down low (i know odouda graduated, but Norcross has solid size returning and Bolden is a machine at the SG spot). Wheeler graduated 3 starters but some of their younger guys caught on late in the season and they will reload, same to Norcross and maybe Milton, although I’m not sure the high-profile kids will want to align with Boyd, considering the ill-fated “national-championship” run this year. Wheeler and Norcross are the pillars of longevity in AAAAA and I’d expect the transfers to flock to them.
sore losers
March 19th, 2011
2:16 am
sounds like a bunch of cry babies….a win is a win on any given day or night. End of story.
Petey
March 20th, 2011
12:27 am
black1 are you trying to say that Shaq from Milton is a better player than Tony Parker???? Dude, step away from the pipe! Don’t take my word for it. Look at the teams that have offered Parker (Duke, NC, etc etc. Yes Shaq can jump but he is nowhere near as big or as talented as Parker. Shaq Johnson’s 1st trip inside against Norcross resulted in his shot being stuffed by not 1 but 2 Blue Devils. After that he pretty much disappeared. He will be a benchwarmer at Auburn while Parker will be in the NBA in 3 yrs. Please! don’t bring that weak sh….stuff in here!
ole skool
March 21st, 2011
12:47 am
CLASSIFICATIONS MEAN VERY LITTLE AS FAS AS TOP BASKETBALL TEAMS IN THIS STATE—-IF ANY OF U SAW THE SOUTH ATLANTA BOYS THIS YEAR THEY WERE HANDS DOWN WITHOUT A DOUBT THE MOST DOMINANT TEAM THIS YEAR AND THEY R AA—BUFORD MEAT THEM IN THE QUARTERFINALS A TEAM THEY HAD BEATEN HANDLELY ALL YEAR—SOUTH ATLANTA COULD PLAY WITH AND BEAT ANY TEAM THAT GOES FOR NORCROSS, MILLER GROVE ETC. ALSO KNOW THAT THE GAC BOYS AND BUFORD GIRLS COULD BEAT A LOT OF THESE LARGER CLASSIFICATION SCHOOLS REGION 6AA PROBABLY THE TOUGHEST IN THE STATE BOTH GIRLS AND BOYS—JUST LOOK AT THE AA CHAMPIONSHIP ON BOTH SIDES ALL TEAM CAME OUT OF REGION 6AA—-SPEAKS FOR ITSELF
Wildcat Nation
March 21st, 2011
4:10 am
The ATL schools may be recruiting and maybe their not. If the GHSA is allowing it, then its ok with us here in Valdosta. I give credit where its due, Norcross and Milton had great BASKETBALL teams this year. However, at Valdosta High, all our athletes are home grown and multi-sport athletes. As a school with a AAAA population, we compete at a high level in ALL AAAAA sports. So to all the fans of Milton and Norcross, congrats on great basketball season. I’ll see you at the other sports (baseball, track, football, wrestling, golf, tennis) GHSA state playoffs? I doubt it!!!!!!!!!!!
North Georgia Bias - Todd Holcomb
March 21st, 2011
4:42 am
Todd, how can you really rank the top teams in the state when you have only seen the South Georgia teams once or twice? You should just stick to ranking North Georgia teams. You are basing your rankings off of what? You also stated that Valdosta and Tift benefited from Campbell, Collins Hills and South Gwinnett having bad nights. Well, i guess Norcross and Milton benefited from Valdosta and Tift having bad nights. Milton and Norcross were the best teams in Norht Georgia and both had good teams, but neither was unbeatable. Both Valdosta and Tift did some things that gave both teams trouble. Todd, in your column before the semi-finals, you stated that Milton and Norcross would win by 20plus. However, if you break both games down, both Valdosta and Tift were in the game. Valdosta had a bad 3 min span right before the half that cost them. The officials totally took Tift out of their game (they would not let Tift be physical).
SOUTH GEORGIA ATHLETES:
I hear all this talk about the Div.1 players from Milton and Norcross. Jay Rome (Valdosta) and Taderick Jackson (Tift) were two of the best players i saw during the Final Four weekend. Both could start at Milton and Norcross. The bigs for both Milton and Norcross are soft and not really scoring threats, and the guards are not far ahead of Jackson and he’s a freshman. So while you are giving all these kudos to the Div.1 basketball players from ATL, remember they got showed up by two football player!!!!
Synamon
April 4th, 2011
6:21 pm
Where is the Clayton blog? where is Kimberly? Explaination ?