Basketball controversy settled between archrivals Redan and Southwest DeKalb (Updated)

The GHSA will not address the controversy surrounding Redan’s 60-58 loss to Southwest DeKalb last month.

It was a significant event because it was Redan’s first loss during the regular season since 2008. Redan is currently ranked No. 1 in Class AAAA.

Redan girls coach Jerry Jackson said he submitted paperwork to the GHSA, indicating that his team did not get credited for two points scored in the first quarter due to miscommunication between the scoring table and referees. Jackson said it was an innocent error, but he had the film to prove it. He was hoping the GHSA would rule the game result as a tie.

Redan coach Jerry Jackson addresses the No. 1 team in Class AAAA (AJC)

Redan coach Jerry Jackson addresses the No. 1 team in Class AAAA (AJC)

“We don’t hear protests when it comes to overturning the results based on the call of an official or the official scorebook,” said Ralph Swearngin, the GHSA’s executive director. “Whatever is the final score that is validated, that’s what the final score is. There is nothing that can undo that.”

Jackson knew his appeal was a longshot. “We got beat by Southwest DeKalb, we’ve accepted the loss, and we’re moving forward,” he said.

“I’m sorry Redan feels that way, but I didn’t see any reason for a protest,” Southwest DeKalb coach Kathy Walton said. “If anything, we felt like we had more reasons to be upset about the [game management] than Redan did, and we didn’t take it any further.”

Redan has appeared in the last three Class AAAAA state championship games, winning against Marietta in 2009. Meanwhile, Southwest DeKalb is the three-time defending Class AAAA state champions.

Redan moved down to AAAA this season after GHSA realignment. Redan is in the same region with Southwest DeKalb, and the two powerhouses will have a rematch on Feb. 8.

Now it’s YOUR turn. Were you at the game? What are your thoughts? Please post below.

23 comments Add your comment

jw

January 20th, 2011
6:18 am

My problem with this is, where were they playing? If at Redan, why wasn’t it caught BEFORE the end of the game – the home scorekeeper is the official book? If at SW Dekalb, the Redan folks should have stopped the game and made an issue of it – at the point it came to light. It is hard to overturn when everyone signs off on the official book. Someone should have caught the mistake before the game was over. Guess that teaches the scorebook person for Redan to understand that they have an important job – they cost their team a chance at a win! It’s a team effort!

Klesko

January 20th, 2011
6:19 am

First! (And, by the way, this is high school girls basketball so who cares?)

Klesko

January 20th, 2011
6:19 am

The Fish That Saved Pittsburgh

January 20th, 2011
6:57 am

It’s sad the way that bb is handled in high school around atl. The scorekeepers, clock operators, and even the refs are often people who would rather be someplace else

Buford

January 20th, 2011
7:24 am

Is Swearingen says they won’t correct obvious mistakes, ones where it is as basic as math, what good is he and the organization? Talk about collecting paychecks and phoning it in.

Whistle Blower

January 20th, 2011
7:44 am

Swearigen and the GHSA needs to be investigated for the corruption they underpin in GA.

wardenerd

January 20th, 2011
7:55 am

first the referee meets with the TWO scorers at the table before the game begins. The manual says before the ten minute mark before game time. The home book is official but the visiting scorer should check and agree with the score after each basket, Additionally the running score at the top of the home book is the official score. All the stuff below that has no bearing on the official score once the game progresses beyond the point of the error unless it is discovered immediately. Likewise at the end of each quarter the scorerS are told to check and agree on the score. At halftime the referee asks the scorers for agreement before leaving the court. The home book must remain at the table for the entire game and is available to the visiting scorer at all times. There are many checks to assure a fair score. Do errors happen? Yes. Does the rule book address these errors? yes. Can this error be corrected after the game by referees? NO.

VChan

January 20th, 2011
7:55 am

Klesko, people like you are comical. You go out your way to degrade girls and women’s basketball. If you don’t care why do you clowns take the time to comment? Any real male athlete appreciates the work these ladies put into the game. Why don’t people like you stop taking cheap shots? Just saying……

wardenerd

January 20th, 2011
7:58 am

Oh yeah 30 years of hs and college bball. Don’t get me started on clock problems.

wardenerd

January 20th, 2011
8:00 am

I like a well played girls game better than a men’s game of selfish dunkers and show boats. Women’s coaches usually have control of there teams and they pass the ball and play a team game.

Panther Paw

January 20th, 2011
9:06 am

The game was played at Miller Grove high school as apart of the Dekalb County Elite Hardwood Classic

Vernon C

January 20th, 2011
10:10 am

Well stated Wardenerd

jw

January 20th, 2011
11:42 am

Wardenerd is absolutely correct – waiting until the game is over – then trying to fix a problem when everyone has signed off is not fixable by anyone.

Those folks have to take their job seriously – this is the one in a million example of what happens when you don’t check, double check and triple check.

Nothing you can do after the fact!

coach1

January 20th, 2011
12:41 pm

From experience, sometimes you can’t talk to these ref. They act so rude at times. Your job is to officate the games and not worry about the backlash. Some of the guys are so stubborn, especially in dekalb and northeast ga. They act like its their time of the month. I agree dont wait til the game is over. The GHSA will never do any extra work or do what’s right. They are so lazy!!!

G-dub

January 20th, 2011
12:51 pm

I was at that game and there were serious problems with the scorekeeper in the first half. I was not rooting for either team but the scorekeeper was constantly giving the wrong team points so we really did not ever know what the correct score was and a lot of the fans felt the same way, Coach Jackson has a good point but it should have adressed during the game, by the way it was a great game by two Dekalb powers.

Some Sense

January 20th, 2011
7:42 pm

Three things should be done in private…what goes on the bathroom, what goes on in the bedroom, and girls basketball.

jfdawg

January 20th, 2011
8:32 pm

klesko, I have a problem…my family coaches, and played women’s basketball, and both received an education and jobs….

JHoops

January 22nd, 2011
2:19 pm

Klesko really man your gonna take a shot at the girls. Two top programs in the state with college recruits. I bet they care. And I’ll even use the oldest line in the book. “How about you lace them up and play them”, bet you’ll respect them then! On top of that you don’t care yet you READ the article and THEN commented. Shows you must have cared enough huh!

The same goes for Some Sense who came up with that 680 The fan line for womens basketball. Just disrespectful!

Now as far as the refs and scorekeepers are concerned they must be Klesko and Some Sense because yes some act as though they would rather be elsewhere. Sad but true. Although there are some good ones out there so I’m not going to include all.

basketball fan

January 23rd, 2011
12:33 pm

redan is always crying after a loss. last year state championship game they lost their cool and picked up tech fouls when they were going to loose. this is just another way for them to complain about a loss. take the loss and move on.

IT DOESN"T MATTER

January 23rd, 2011
3:28 pm

Who really about their fight Region 6 and for that matter AAAA belongs to CHAMBLEE this year. GO BULLDOGS!!!!

Mr. "Ref"

January 24th, 2011
4:11 pm

I officiated b’ball for 26 years (12 of those years at HS level). I can attest that a (very small) percentage of visiting scorers are not attentative as they should be when it comes to keeping up with the scores. I ALWAYS advised the visiting scorer to sit in the vicinity of the home (OFFICIAL) scorer; although the scoreboard is not official, I advise both scorers to check the scoreboard after each made basket to ensure they match. I am absolutely sure that scoring, being such a simple thing, can be made easier if EVERYONE is paying attention. Real sad about an earlier comment about officials acting like its their “time of the month”…I’ve seen more personality conflicts than I can count between coaches and officials, usually caused by something that happened in a previous game! I also agree that all officials do not treat officiating as I did…A PROFESSIONAL HOBBY…I still attend a lot of HS games, tournamets and playoffs and see many fans, parents, players and coaches who still recognize me with a “hey Mr. Ref”.

Mom dukes

January 25th, 2011
8:37 pm

I watched that game very closely and I saw when Redan did not get the points. I tried to tell them when it happened. I guess that it did not matter at the time. I really believe that they had no idea that they would really need those 2 points later.

Donnie Bryant

January 27th, 2011
6:13 pm

I have officiated for over 25 years, and work on operating the clock for games, due to knee surgery, first Women;s basketball in a Atlanta is fantastic and growing, with young ladies getting scholarships to major division 1 basketball and other schools that offord them a chance to continue their career and to pay for their education. Also when I work the clock I check with both scorers regularly on scores, fouls and time on the clock. It matters to the persons working the table as a team, as to the quality. However I am sorry to inform all the experts above that the clock operators and scorekeepers are not making a million dollar salary, and happen to be stludents and or parents, and make mistakes. And its amazing how everything in high school sports is GHSA’s fault, with no human error. READ the RULES book….