You be the referee and make the call in the controversial ending to the Milton-Norcross playoff game

You be the referee.

We have video of the the final seconds to the controversial ending to the Milton-Norcross game from Saturday’s Class AAAAA quarterfinals.

Let’s set up the scene: Norcross was winning by a point with 10.2 seconds left in regulation. Milton drove down the court and missed two shots, and Norcross celebrates as if it has won. However, a referee determined that Milton’s Julian Royal was fouled while attempting to rebound somewhere around the time of the final buzzer.

You know the rest of the story: Royal makes both foul shots to give Milton the 52-51 win and, more importantly, a berth in the state semifinals.

YOU BE THE REF. What was your call at the buzzer of Milton-Norcross?

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YOU BE THE REF. You’re wearing the striped shirt, and this call has enormous implications, directly affecting the outcome of the state quarterfinals.

How did you see the final seconds? Did the referee make the right call? Or should the referee have the let ‘em play? Please post below and feel free to express your opinion.

Also, to get a full recap of the story, please click on this link for the article.

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PatheticRef

March 8th, 2010
12:14 pm

I agree there was contact, but to tell the Norcross coach, “the foul occurred before the horn, but we don’t know how much time to put on the clock, so we’re leaving it at 0.0″ is the most pathetic thing Ive ever witnessed. But, the 115 year old GHSA rep just sat there at the scorers table and did nothing. Everything about this basketball tournament is bogus. Playing the games 2 hours away from anyone, dividing the brackets North/South, but football crosses over after first round. The entire GHSA needs to be canned and we need to start over. But, to the ref, you are PATHETIC. Same official called a technical in the Central game.

Norcross25

March 8th, 2010
12:17 pm

Funny, the same #25 lost the first Milton game when he let a pass go right through his arms. This time, he doesn’t box out Julian Royal and then tries to tackle him. Maybe someone should investigate him for throwing the game with the ref?

Michael Carvell

March 8th, 2010
12:25 pm

Yes, that is correct. The same referee called a technical foul in the fourth quarter of the McEachern/Central Gwinnett game later that same day. There was 5:50 left in the game with score tied, and Central’s coach was whistled for a technical. I was on the other side of the floor, so I don’t know whether or not the coach was deserving of the technical. But it was a HUGE call in the final minutes of yet another semifinals game. Fortunately for CG, the technical appeared to rally the team to victory.

Referree Tom

March 8th, 2010
12:35 pm

Whether there is .3 seconds, 3 seconds or 3 minutes on the clock, when you tackle another player, it’s a foul.

PatheticRef

March 8th, 2010
12:41 pm

Then don’t tell the coach, “we don’t know how much time to put on the clock, so we’re keeping it at 0.0.” That referee is a joke and needs to be banned from GHSA games. The technical foul in the Central game was even worse. PATHETIC REFEREE.

Bobby Butler

March 8th, 2010
12:41 pm

The problem I have with this call is the fact that the ref went home and had a good nights sleep. We have got to get officiating like this out of the game. Coaches and players work too hard to lose a game on bogus calls. The Norcross High kids will remember this when they are fifty years old. Its a shame. Let the coaches and players decide the out come of games.

Notcross

March 8th, 2010
12:49 pm

what do you mean “Let the coaches and players decide the out come of games.”
didn’t a Norcross player not even going for the ball decide the game by pulling another player from behind away from the ball
didn’t a Milton player make 2 ft with no time on the clock and noone on the lane making it more difficult??

No Dog in the fight

March 8th, 2010
12:57 pm

I watched the clip but don’t know anything about either team or the game. My problem with the refs is that they turned what looked to be a passionate hard fought game into a free throw shooting contest by calling 3 fouls in the last 30 seconds of the game

Bobby Knight

March 8th, 2010
1:15 pm

There was unquestionably a foul and the correct call was made. This should be used as a case study for officials on exactly how to handle a siuation like this.

Notcross

March 8th, 2010
1:35 pm

This was more of a foul that the over the back call that gave Norcross the lead

Walker, Texas Ranger

March 8th, 2010
1:36 pm

Another case of a (insert Ref or Ump) making it about them instead of the kids. And apparently Ol’ Rabbit Ears was making it about him.

Ken

March 8th, 2010
1:37 pm

There was a foul, but the player had no chance of scoring. The only way he could have scored was to tip the ball in. By rebounding and coming down with the ball, the game was effectively over. Calling a foul gave him the chance to score when he had no chance.

Walker, Texas Ranger

March 8th, 2010
1:38 pm

Someone using the name “Norcross” so no one believes he is a Homer, but instead it makes him look even more like a Homer.

HS Fan

March 8th, 2010
1:40 pm

There was some contact, but there always is on a rebound and put-back. Nothing flagrant or too rough. I played & refereed for years, and there’s no way a referee should make that call. They’ve gotta let them play in that situation. Norcross was robbed. GHSA should be ashamed. Looks like somebody’s trying to deliver a little payback for the 3 titles they won with “recruited” players. Everybody hates a winner.

Walker, Texas Ranger

March 8th, 2010
1:41 pm

I didn’t realize tha Ladies Man Boyd was back in coaching. Wow Milton’s really got them a great role model there. Well the guy could always recruit. Apparently he is pretty good in French class too.

Benefit of the Doubt

March 8th, 2010
1:41 pm

1. It’s really close to over when the rebound is made, maybe .4 or .5 of a second left. It’s down to .2 when his feet hit the floor. No way that kid gets to the floor and back up to shoot the bucket. If he’s not tipping it in, I’m not calling anything right there. Questionable decision on the ref’s part.
2. I can’t see the contact before the clock goes to 0.00, but the defender obviously mauls the rebounder either on the way down, or once they reach the floor. You can give the benefit of the doubt to the ref. He’s in a good position to see the play. No question the call is made AFTER the horn, which makes sense. Humans cannot react that quick, but if you make that call, no way in the world you can award FT’s with no time on the clock. Horrible decision on the ref’s part.

This ref shouldn’t be on the floor for a big game like this again for quite some time. Questionable or wrong calls happen in big games, but the tortured logic used to end the game on FT’s shows an unwillingness to stand by your decision. You can’t be so certain of the foul call BEFORE the horn, but so uncertain of when that you punt on the time left on the clock. Dude needs to stick to rec league games.

My qualifications for this post are my two eyes, 10 games of rec league ball, one season of riding the pine in church league, and a complete disdain for Dickie V’s analyses.

Walker, Texas Ranger

March 8th, 2010
1:43 pm

HS Fan, you may be right but Norcross was going against the master in recruiting with Boyd when he was at Berkmar.

Referree Tom

March 8th, 2010
1:45 pm

Ken, Bonus was in effect. The essence of the bonus situation is to convert fouls commited on nonshooting actions into scoring opportunities. Is there anything in the rules that suspends the bonus status in the last x seconds of the game?
By the way, the only mistake made here was that his was an intentional foul. It should have been called that, .3 of a second should have been put on the clock and Milton should have been handed the ball to inbound.

GETOVERIT

March 8th, 2010
1:47 pm

personally I think it was a dumb call but hey. there is NOTHIN ANY of us can do about it. Norcross lost, Milton won.

Walker, Texas Ranger

March 8th, 2010
1:48 pm

Oh a mind reader are we?

Notcross

March 8th, 2010
1:48 pm

No Dog has a good point if you look at how the refs called the last minute of the game they fouled out a starter from each team on very weak calls and again there was a lot more contact on the last call than the over the back call 10 sec earlier that gave Norcross the lead like the mom’s always say “call it both ways” and they did

Cannon

March 8th, 2010
1:57 pm

The call was correct. The guy was tackled before the clock hit 0:00. No controversy here.

Fred

March 8th, 2010
2:08 pm

Probably one of those favored clones from the GHSA who couldn’t ref their way out of a paper bag. Same ref will get one of the finals, just watch!!

Coach

March 8th, 2010
2:14 pm

WOW……what a hard call to make….yes the foul did take place but I think it was the cheapest foul call I have ever scene. This reminds me of the Duke Michigan State game where Jayson Williams hit the desperation 3 with the foul, missed the free throw and Carlos Boozer went up grabbed the rebound was fouled and there was no call. Booze had two chance and if I could remember there were 3 seconds on the clock. To call that foul there is unbelievable. First the foul occurred at what .1 .2 seconds if no zero. We Won’t know the exact timing of the foul….the fact the whistle blew 2 seconds after 0.00 was on the clock raises questions. If I were ref I don’t think I blow my whistle there……it wasn’t like #25 pulled him down to the ground basketball is a touchy physical game but to call a foul after 0.00 on something lady like like that I mean WOW……..If I were the loser I would be LIVID!!!! He comes down with the rebound, he has NO time to put it back up, I could see if it were a mid air put back but cmon a rebound after a blown lay up for a 1 and 1 to advance to semi’s AGAIN WOW

milehigh

March 8th, 2010
2:26 pm

At first I was very skeptical about the final call but after watching the tape almost 30 times I finally know what the official must have seen. Granted the angle of the camera does not allow us to see the foul we can only go by body movements of the players since we were straightlined.

If the kid was fouled the ref got it right. These three officials are supposed to work together. The guy opposite the table in the “c” position is supposed to be watching the clock to signal the end of the game. He should know how much time should be left on the clock. The guy underneath could not possibly know since his responsibility is to watch the matchup underneath the basket.

It looks like .2 seconds should have been put back on the clock. High school rules dictate that a player cannot get off a shot in less than .3 seconds. They can only tip or tap the ball in thus the game was essentially over.
Very gutsy call.

Ryan

March 8th, 2010
2:26 pm

This is absolutely terrible. As an official, you have to know the time and situation of the game. You cannot decide a game on a weak rebounding foul call. Also, the calling official is WAY out of position to make that call. The official should have held his whistle and let the game decide itself.

BigTimeTECHFan

March 8th, 2010
2:29 pm

Very good call, proud of him for making the right call regardless of the time or situation. I’ve never understood NBA & NCAA, ref don’t make calls late in the games because of the situation. rule books don’t say anything about what’s a fould in the last minute of a game verses rest of the game. Never fault a ref for calling it by the book.

Big B CH 99

March 8th, 2010
2:33 pm

I’m too the point that I think most sporting contests shouldn’t be played anymore b/c the refs have pre-determined who is gonna win before the game even starts.

Notcross

March 8th, 2010
2:39 pm

but ryan it was a weak rebounding call 10 seconds earlier that gave Norcross the opportunity to tie up and take the lead with 2 fts why shouldn’t the refs be consistent?

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Don

March 8th, 2010
2:45 pm

Not a fan of either team but that was a terrible call.

Steve Brown

March 8th, 2010
2:51 pm

I’ve watched it over and over and see no foul. You are all delusional.

DukeFan33

March 8th, 2010
2:51 pm

The call was by the book. The official should be commended. The rules don’t change as the clock runs down.

Mike

March 8th, 2010
2:53 pm

Steve, are you the BF of Sandra Smallwood?

Karl Hess

March 8th, 2010
2:55 pm

This referee has a bright future on the collegiate level in the ACC!

John

March 8th, 2010
2:57 pm

Stinks to lose that way but the kid has to know the situation also. When your in the penalty DO NOT FOUL. They obviously benefited form a weak call on the other end to take the lead, had to know the refs were not keeping the whistles in their pockets.

johnny t-bone

March 8th, 2010
2:59 pm

That was a great call and occurred before time ran out.
Where is the audio? How do we know the whistle didn’t blow with .1 on the clock?

The bottom line is that the foul occurred before the clock ran out. To the line young man to shoot two.

How can you people not see the foul? Dude pulled the guy down from behind him as he was going for the ball. Blatant foul.

ATLdawg

March 8th, 2010
3:01 pm

wait, didn’t milton also have a BS win against Wheeler?

Ralph Has to GO!

March 8th, 2010
3:06 pm

Why would GHSA ever do anything? These are the same people that watched Miller Grove give their Championship trophy to their SUSPENDED coach – knowing he was not even supposed to be in the building last year – after he coached them from behind the scenes illegally all year. GHSA needs to have their house cleaned out……or things like this will keep happening

Notcross

March 8th, 2010
3:12 pm

ATL Dawg nope video proved the refs correct and Milton won fair and square again!

Peachtree Pete

March 8th, 2010
3:18 pm

The call was clearly correct. If you don’t like the outcome, tough. That’s sports. I’m sure Milton fans liked it. (I have no ties with either team).

wowza

March 8th, 2010
3:24 pm

Its really simple: the call is wrong because for the kid to shoot foul shot, you have to put time back on the clock…and it would be 1 second (maybe less)…but a fould can’t be called once the buzzer goes off, which is basically what was ruled here. A shame to gift the game to Milton and steal it from Norcross in this way. Looks to me like the Norcross side should protest–does the GHSA allow for that? Clearly, this was a major referreeing error, and can only be corrected with some kind of replay–maybe a 5 minute OT?

PATHETICREFISANIDIOT

March 8th, 2010
3:31 pm

There was no replay going on in the game….the refs told both Coach Boyd and Coach McMillian the same thing…both coaches understood and moved on. Apparently everyone else hasn’t. Sheesh, get a life people…..

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hawks

March 8th, 2010
3:38 pm

I was at the game,im a fan of neither team. I was sitting behind the Milton bench,and clearly saw the play it was a foul. It was a bang bang play as the horn sounded.No he didnt have a chance to get the shot off, but clearly was a foul.The ref made the correct call.I saw the player grab the arm and pull u have to make that call.The ref was watching the play not the clock!

OMG

March 8th, 2010
3:40 pm

OMG. Where was the foul?!?! Help me out, who was the foul on? #25? There was absolutely no foul on that play, not even a ticky tack foul. Looked like #25 might have grazed the guy’s arm, but that was about it. Wow.

Not only was that a non-call, but it wasn’t even a shooting foul! I know they were in the bonus, but you don’t make a call like that when the dude wasn’t even in the act of shooting! Talk about dictating the outcome of the game… wow.

That ref was standing there with 0.0 on the clock, not even starting his motion to blow the whistle! Wow.

This was payback for Norcross recruiting players? LOL! Scott and Parker for Milton live in the coach’s basement. Their parents are about an hour from Milton. What a joke.

No Nonsense

March 8th, 2010
3:40 pm

Foul shots with :00 left on the clock happen all the time, even at the end of quarters. If you haven’t seen this you haven’t been to many games.

DukeFan33

March 8th, 2010
3:45 pm

#25 from Norcross should have been more concerned about blocking out and grabbing the rebound than he was about grabbing Royal. The result was what it should have been. This call was correct.

OMG

March 8th, 2010
3:45 pm

Milton guy got tackled?!?! LOL, I want what you’re smoking.

OMG

March 8th, 2010
3:48 pm

“foul shots with 0.0 on the clock always happen”. Maybe technical fouls, but not personals. Unless of course you are talking about stupid GHSA basketball, then maybe you are correct.

If this was the NBA, they’d add time on the clock (or better yet, not make a silly call, especially on a non-shooting act). That’s a no-call, any veteran ref would know that.