Program of the decade? Camden, Northside stake claims

Hey Todd Holcomb,

I mentioned that a few weeks ago about Camden County and Northside Warner Robins.

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Todd States:
Camden Couty: 120-13 record this decade, two state titles, but are Camden’s W-L record and playoff draws enhanced from playing in the state’s weakest Class AAAAA region?

Todd,

Come on now, you know better. Camden County Football program is so great, that I strongly believe that it wouldn’t matter what Region they played in, the end results would more than likely be the same. Look at it. They have beaten great football teams / programs in all Regions in Class AAAAA this decade. Camden County this decade have beaten good football teams out of every Region in Class AAAAA. That says a lot. In my opinion, Camden County is the best football team this decade in Class AAAAA.

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Okay,

I’m getting an early start, but here are my predictions for the winner of the State Title at the “DOME”.

Class AAAAA

Camden County vs Northside Warner Robins:
Two teams with great Defense. Defense wins games.
This will be a fight to the finish.

Winner: Camden County

Class AAAA

Sandy Creek vs Clarke Central
Sandy Creek has definitely surprised me this year beating a Perennial Power such as Griffin, and has earned my respect. However; Clarke Central has been around for years and has a great coach there. Clarke Central does have history in winning, and have 3 State Titles under their belts.

Winner: Clarke Central

Class AAA

Peach County VS Gainesville
This will definitely be another HUGE showdown when these face off to each other:
Gainesville has a great football program, and Peach County has a great football program as well.
This will be another fight to the finish. Both teams has winning history.

Winner : Peach County

Class AA

Buford vs Calhoun

Buford has earned their respect this year, and Calhoun, well everyone knows how good Calhoun is.

Winner: Calhoun

Class A

Savannah Christain vs Wilcox County

Two South Georgia Teams.
Savannah Christian is a private school out of Savannah, Georgia. Wilcox County is out of Rochelle, Georgia. Savannah Christian has 7 GISA State Titles out of dating back from 1975 to 1984 Wilcox County was the No. #2 seed out of Region 2-A and have earned their respect by making it to the finals.

Winner: Savannah Christian

Okay, there you have it. Good Luck Teams:

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AAAAA This game will be won on the sidelines ……. it will take all 4 quarters..Northside will win

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Without a doubt, the hands down winner is Georgia Tech. They have proven to be one of the areas best HS programs. Certainly best in the city of Atlanta at times. You would think people would want to come see them play. The stadium is right off the MARTA line and the various specials they run to sell the place out are amazing.

Again, GA Tech gets my vote.

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CHARLTON COUNTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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North Gwinnett…..before Bob sphire we were NOTHING. Now look at us? We will get a state title here soon.

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Look, Todd. You keep talking about weak region play and playoff slot draws. Lets look at this season. Camden goes on the road travels 6 hours and beats North Gwinett 35-0. Did they have some advantage there. They have to travel to the Dome again 6hours to play Northside. What advantage is there. When they won the championship in 2002. Where were they…oh yeah they played Valdosta in Valdosta.
They won last year after traveling 6hours hours to the Dome.

Sorry but I dont see traveling to top teams stadiums and playing them or traveling 6hours to the dome as some kind of advantage. And if a weak region schedule was indicating they should not be playing the lowndes counties and Newnans and North Gwinnetts and all the other teams that supposedly “Earned their win with tough region play….then why does Camden not get blasted out in those games? Why because they are good, because they belong.

Funny how Metro Atlanta teams have excuses for losing. What is North Gwinnetts excuse? Well we had to play Camden County at Home? And Camden had to travel six hours so that gave Camden an advantage?

What was Newnan’s excuse last year? Well Camden had to travel 6 hours to the Dome, so Camden has an advantage.
When will the AJC and this state just admit that Camden County has a great program, and quite trying to justify why they win and other teams lose?

Do they have the greatest program of the decade? Probably not…but it is one of the top 3-5. Add Lowndes, Northside WR and Buford.

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Actually, Todd, only three of Northside’s five title game appearances were in AAAA. Their first appearance, in 2001against Parkview was in AAAAA. The three in AAAA were the 2005 loss to Statesboro, and the 2006, 2007 wins against Marist and Ware Co., respectively.

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“Buford: 137-7 record this decade and five state titles, with a sixth possible, but how do you compare AA vs. AAAAA?”

Buford yes!..What difference does the classification make? You act like Class A are baginners and 5A are the pros. If you can dominate, your classification does not matter. And Buford has played out of state teams over the last few years and dominated. It you are 2A and you play for a title in 2A, then you are playing schools of the same student body size. This means we all only have less than 1000 students to choose from to play. Take a 5A school with 4000 students….a lot more kids to select from. So, no matter what your class, a champion is a champion.

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I say give it to all 4 of them.
Good argument for each.
All are deserving.

Camden and Lowndes (assuming Camden should win this year) will have had equal amounts of state championships. If not, then you would have to say Camden would have been the first to lose to Northside in a AAAAA state title game. Something not even Parkview did….at the Mac.
In fact, if Parkview had not of fallen off so bad since Lowndes went up and beat them in the Big Orange Jungle in 2004 then you might have to include them in the argument.

Obviously Camdens won/loss record would not have been any better than Lowndes if they had of played in 1AAAAA for the whole decade. But then on the other hand Lowndes might have had a few more losses as a result also.

Northside, Warner and HOCO…get your butts back into Region 1AAAAA where you now belong. The travel will be less and the money from gates will be better, unless you think Bainbridge and Columbus schools are going to travel all that way with a big fan base.

Plus, going to see a game at Cleveland Field and The Concrete Palace is
just simply better than the alternatives. Not to mention Brodie Field, the Hog Pen and Sardine (is that a fish?) stadium.

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This is like comparing apples and oranges and it is my opinion……it’s just the AJC’s way of starting another controversy. AJC, stop it and start writing real sports articles.

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Believe me, Northside fans want to stay in 1AAAAA. But unfortunately we dont get a vote.

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This question is VERY EASY….The team with the most championships is the team of the decade!!! Therefore, its Lowndes with its 3 titles. Now if Camden wins this weekend, its a tie between them and Lowndes!!! I know Buford has 5 titles, but to me their titles are skewd b/c they limit their enrollment just to remain in AA…..they should be forced to play up by the GHSA(but thats another story). End od story, end of arguement, period!!!

Come on folks, I have always said that the object of the game is to win the Championship!!! All those regular season wins mean nothing if you to have the titles to show for it!! Just look at pro football and all of their teams of the decades…they always measure them by the number of championships won. Dallas was the team of the 90’s b/c they won titles, not the Buffalo Bills, even though they won a bunch of games. I could bring up example after example of how teams of the decades have been named. So again, its Lowndes and possibly Camden. Its doesn’t matter if Camden has beaten Lowndes 20 times….what matters is championships!!!

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Size matters, even in Football!

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Todd, et al,

I hate to break it to you jock sniffers but this decade isn’t over until next year. The first decade of the 21st century is 2001-2010. 2000 is part of the twentieth century you idiots. For those AP jocks out there, this is because we start counting with the number 1 not 0.

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Most of us jock sniffers did manage to graduate, even though we probably made a C- in math.

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Us idiots and inquiring minds want to know?

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2 of Northside’s state title games have been in AAAAA. 2001 and this year.

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I think sportsfan31313, haha, and brian are all missing TH’s main point when he talks about Camden playing in a weak region. It can be compared to the SEC. When you play strong teams almost every week it makes a huge difference in not only your W-L record but injuries, attitude, etc. Your season can go to “pot” fast when these things start adding up. 1-AAAAA is a prime example of this. Look at Northside, beaten by WR this year, just squeaked by Lowndes and Colquitt. Oh, and don’t forget Valdosta. That is a murderous schedule. When you just play a great team such as Hoover or a team from FL once or twice a year, and you have patsies the rest of the season, you don’t have all those intangibles to worry about. Make sense? You know it does.

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TNGADAWG don’t forget Northside’s “squeaking” by Tift this year also.

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I told you I made a C- in math. Really, I started counting from Dec 31 1999, so the 1999 foottball championship for Lowndes does not count.

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Too bad Lowndes did not squeak by Northside and Camden this year. How is basketball going down there?

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With us leaving 1AAAAA, 1AAAA will the toughest region next year, sorry.

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Charlton County has done very well in AA for the size of the school, but I think we will be even better back in 1A.

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I’m tired of hearing about weak region 3. By the looks of the playoffs region 4 and 5 not so great. But those regions are never brought up. Camden County could play in any region in the state and still rise to the top. Thats my belief. Go Cats.

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It is true there are several weak regions but region 3 is special because it has 1 extra large size 5A school playing against 4A and 3A size schools. Camden could definitely play and compete in any region, but the fact is they dont. We praise Camden for their outside and playoffs wins, but the region wins will always have an asterick *

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Wow, some people are really sensitive about this region 3 thing

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Yea, Northside would like it if we were the only school in the county so we could have an unfair advantage too.

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We are not sensitive about Region 3, we don’t have a problem with it. You and others are the ones that bring it up EVERYDAY. I don’t see the since in complaining this much about something you have no control.If it were not for basketball we would be in region 1. The Savannah schools just don’t care about football, and it is a shame they certainly have the talent in a city that size to compete.

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NHS and Drago,

The question was about “this current decade” not the past ten years. The current decade is not over and as Drago pointed out 1999-2009 is eleven not ten. I did read wikipedia and it is an excellent example of why it shoud not be used as authoratative as it is wrong. By wiki logic the first decade in human history had just nine years as we never had a year “0″.

It doesn’t matter really–go back to reliving high school and pumping gas, coaching or whatever else fills your “no more glory days”!

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Northside has played in some weak regions over the years with Macon and Columbus schools and as a fan I hated it. Losing is no fun but blowouts each week aren’t either.

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Your right NHS the blowouts are boring. It is what it is. I also like being the number 1 seed every year no way to deny it does help. I just wish we didn’t have to play the number 2 seed from Region 1 in the second round.

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excuse me but Valdosta had 7 yes 7 state championships in the 1960s.

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As I said, you need to come see it for yourself. I have been to Northside many times and I went to school in the Atlanta area. The argument you make for education reasons doesn’t hold water, the class size is not different in Camden. We have more class rooms, and the best education courses I have seen anywhere in the state, I have lived all over. Ga. the proof is also the fact that we don’t have a need for private schools here. (there is one very small unacredited school) The great football program is a buyproduct of an outstanding educational syestem starting at the elementary level.

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I have seen the Camden campus from the outside several times and it looks like a small college, never seen the inside however.

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Oh well, lets talk football. In your opinion is the Camden team better this year than last and why?

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I believe Northside played in the second highest classification for 2004 (SC WR), 2005 (SC Statesboro), 2006 (SC NHS), 2007 (SC NHS)

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No one is questioning Camden’s non-region or playoff schedule/performance. We will show up and play David vs Golith.

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Hard question NHS, The teams are so different form last year to this. We had 15 starters leave after last season, they knew they were good and showed it. The team this year just seems to out play through effort instead of experience if that makes any since. That too is why I prefer highschool ball as opposed to pro. I’m just glad I don’t have to watch that Bacon kid yall had again this year. I havn’t seen NHS this year, how do yall look?

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Its not a David vs Golith as you would want every one to believe. We respect Northside very much. And this is a very evenly matched game. The only edge we might have is our running game, our backs were here last year when our top back(#7 Greg Baker) was hurt. They step in and we didn’t miss a beat. Other than that we are very young, so stop it.

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We seem to be in a similar situation, new starting quarterback and running backs and new defensive players. Started out weak but have improved thru the season. Offensive line is mostly seniors but most everything else is juniors and sophmores. Overall at this point after the Newnan performance, I think this years team is better, especially at the all important QB position. We dont have a Bacon but we are more balanced. Defense about the same as last year.

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If we were not the #1 seed, we would have played at your place in the second round not at the dome this week. Being #2 mattered to Lowndes as well since they lost to you guys on your field. If Lowndes had been #1 and you had been #2, that game would have been at Lowndes and Lowndes would have won. It matters!

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NHS (Northside High School) – Good question. I think our team may actually be more balanced than last year, if that is possible.
At the first half of the year the wing t was not as smooth as last years version. I know that last year I could just not follow the ball most of the time. This year I had no problem following the ball, untill we got to the playoffs. Now its like they turned it up a notch. Same for our backs. So far they have been playing like they are possessed. Johnson has really come alive.
Our defence looked pathitic against Hoover and really against First Coast. Both of those teams had great passing games. I was really nervous about our defence going up against the spread but they must haved learned something from those first few games. Its hard to forget that Camden is actually a young team this year. The thing that impresses me the most is that they have made it this far when no one gave them a chance after the first 3 games.
I just hope that they can continue play at their full potential at the dome.
NorthSide did impress me last year when they came to Camden. There are some big ol boys on that team. That quarterback must coat himself with grease before a game, man he sure is hard to catch!!!

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I watch your games on-line and thats why i give the edge to our backs, that O’neil kid is big and strong. Recievers are about even, even though you throw the ball a lot more, we have a very very very good reciever, and a pretty good one. Our Defense is a little faster, but your defense is really good, aggressive secondary. QB, I will give you the edge he runs a little better. Specail teams even.

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I would say that would be a first and a feat. If you pull that off, you are the true state champions. Northside beat Valdosta and Lowndes this year in the same year for the first time ever and that was quite a feat for us.

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I got your point NHS, not too sure Lowndes would have won at their stadium. They may could have, but it is not a fact as you stated. You keep stating that you have to play us if you are the second seed, you seem to forget we have to play one of you also. And coming from an athlete that played pro ball years ago. Home field advantage means some to the players but not as much as you think. It means more to the fans.Most of the teams I played on preferred the road to get away from all the distractions and just enjoy playing and being with the team.

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This is an interesting conversation. However, one can not crown a team of the decade before we determine a winner on Friday night. I will throw this into the fire. For anyone to question the AAAAA to AAAA question is stretching it a little bit.

Northside won the State Championship in 2007 at Ware County High School. Ware County beat Lowndes County. Lowndes County did not lose another football game. Northside has beaten two Nationally ranked and undefeated Lowndes County teams. Lowndes County has struggled against Camden County head-to-head.

Northside has played top AAAAA programs, top AAAA programs, and top AAA programs. When you look at the best teams, there is not a significant difference. From Ware County to Statesboro to Lowndes County to Camden County to Peach County to Carver-Columbus depth and coaching is the biggest difference. Some AAA teams have greater depth than some AAAAA programs. For instance, Newnan had many of their top players playing both ways.

Only teams in AAAAA believe that they are entitled to greatness because the teams play in AAAAA. Northside has played most of the top teams in both the AAAAA and AAAA classification. There is not a significant difference (at the top). The Lowndes County 2007 State championship with one loss to the AAAA runner-up comfirms it!

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True about 4A and 5A, but whats your take on Buford in 2A?

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NHS, From what side of the field did your kicker make the 50 yarder?

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In 2007, I booked on Friday night right after the game the preceeding week, so you are already late. This year I am just traveling up and back on Sat. This afternoon, there were rooms available for Sat but I did not check Fri.

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I would say Buford, if they would schedule some 3A or 4A schools. Hands down NSWR, the only reason they won’t have 4 consecutive state championships in the 2 highest classification is CAMDEN COUNTY.

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parkview dominated from ‘00 to ‘03… to bad they couldn’t keep it up.. im tired of these south ga folks.. but HS football is all they have in their towns so at least they can brag about something

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CamdenCoast: There is no way that the State Championships has sold out every hotel in the city. This is one of the largest convention cities on earth. Let me know what price range you are looking for. Also, you can stay in other areas like Midtown (where I live) and Buckhead. There are some great hotels that are within walking distance to MARTA, which is certainly the best way to travel to and from the game.

Let me know what you are looking for. I can provide a list of places that you might want to stay. I will give you this short list that are right beside the Georgia Dome or within a very short walk. The closest hotels are the Glenn Hotel and the Omni Hotel. I can not imagine either being sold out for the State Championships. The Omni is a huge hotel. You may also look to stay at the Embassy Suites across the street from the Dome. There are many, many huge downtown hotels that are a short walk to the Dome. I like the Westin Peachtree, the tallest hotel in the Western Hemisphere. You may also look at the Hyatt Regency (Downtown), Ritz-Carlton (Downtown), Marriott Marquis, Atlanta Hilton (Downtown), or the Downtown Sheraton.

I feel somewhat disloyal providing so much information to a Camden County fan. LOL! However, you should definitely be able to find a room at one of the aforementioned hotels. Also take a look at the very swank W Hotel (Downtown) or the Twelve Hotel (Downtown). By the way, were there are parenthesis stating downtown remember to reserve in the downtown location. There are multiple Ritz, Hyatts, W Hotels, Twelve Hotels, etc.

Good luck, CamdenCoast. This is Atlanta. You will DEFINITELY find a room. If you run out of luck, I can help you in Midtown for sure at places like the W Hotel (Midtown), FourSeasons, InterContinental-Buckhead, or Mansion at Peachtree (also in Buckhead). I know people who can help you at those locations.

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Who is Parkview? Nothing to DO? I’m from Atlanta….Do you have the means to visit the coast, life is alot better down here. This Saturday will be my second trip to Atlanta in three weeks, everytime I go back I can’t wait to get back to the water, where there is more than enough to do, should you choose to do it. I encourage you to move down here like I did, we can always use an extra Wildcat fan.

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Come to the Dome Sat, and you understand the football thing in the South when Northside and Camden play. However, being in the dome is not as good as being in South Georgia, it reminds me of Atlanta HS football, boring!

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Pike has had a rough year although several misses were due to bad holds and not his fault. I think it caused Northside to be more agressive going for touchdowns Fri against Newnan so that was good. But here is hoping that Pike kicks the game winner Sat to close out a great career.

Speaking of being sensitive, thanks for not putting the WR behind our name for this article, cause we are a little sensitive about that.

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CamdenCoast: As for picking the team of the decade. The program of the decade will have to earn it on the field, not on this blog. I would say that Northside, Lowndes County, and Camden County will have great teams next season, as well. I know that Lowndes County is loaded with talent for a run next season as are Northside and Camden.

Again, this is interesting for the sake of discussion. However by Todd’s own admission we have this season and next season left in our little “friendly” conversation about the decade’s best. I put Northside and Camden leading as we head into the turn over Lowndes County. We still have plenty of football to play.

Sorry Buford, you guys have not played top tier teams in this state and have not beaten any Nationally rated programs. I don’t buy that you guys can beat Lovett type programs, let alone the likes of Northside, Camden County, or Lowndes County.

Lowndes is a little behind because the Wildcats are a combined 3-5 against Northside (1-1) and Camden County 2-4) this decade and did not even reach the State playoffs in one season (2006). Let’s be honest about this. Should Lowndes win 4 State Championships in one decade, the Vikings have a fairly strong argument as team of the decade. If Camden wins 3 (or 4) State Championships in the decade, the Wildcats are Georgia’s team of the decade. If Northside win 3 or 4 State Championships, our Eagles are clearly Georgia’s team of the decade. Either way, you are looking at 3 pretty good football programs. Heck, Buford or Charlton County is not half bad either.

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opinion, You proved my point for me. Ask five people on the street who Mount Union is and 5 couldn’t tell you. Taking nothing away from Buford they are a great program with an outstanding tradition. But noone is going to give a top decade award to a AA team. The Super Bowl winner doesn’t defed itself with arena football.

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Camden should win, but will they? I think Newnan thought the same thing.

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The worst thing about The game this Saturday is it is 6 days away. I hope this week goes by fast. My office manager already knows not to expect me in on Friday. I’ll play golf until the kids get out of school then head north. I agree that the winner Satureday will be the team of the decade. I just hope it is us., but if not aleast it is a great team and not Parkview, NG, or Brookwood. .

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I have been called a lot of things in my life, but never an “entertaining blogger” I dont think somet would agree with you. Some guy said I was a jock sniffing idiot. Now that was a compliment except for the idiot part

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CamdenCoast: Try the Westin Peachtree. That is a very short walk away. I would also highly recommend the Glenn Hotel. It is very nice. The Twelve Hotel (Downtown) and the W Hotel Downtown are within walking distance as well. The primary hotel for the Final Four for the Nastional Association of Basketball Coaches include the Hyatt Regency, Marriott Marquis, Westin Peachtree, Sheraton (Downtown on Juniper), and the Atlanta Hilton (Downtown).

If you stay at the W Hotel Midtown at Colony Square (we will be neighbors ) or the FourSeasons you can take a short train ride to the Dome. Many of the Buckhead hotels offer GREAT weekend rates. Try the InterContinental, Westin Buckhead, Hyatt Place (Peachtree & Piedmont), Grand Hyatt, or Embassy Suites (Buckhead). Good luck.

I mean it. If you do not find a place, I can help. Just promise that you will not cheer to hard for the Wildcats. Just kidding! I know better. Have fun.

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Okay, you convinced me, Buford can be the best 2A program of the decade

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Opinion, You must have never played. Level of play always counts. that is why I agree with our decision to play the best teams we can find early on because of our week region. If you win 10 out 10 championships in inferior ball that does not make you the team of the decade. You have to play in the top tier or none cares. I liked your Mount Union vs UGA senario, you can’t crown a small school the OVERALL champion. Noone will give the award any credabilty. Like it or not you proved my point. ie: After Alabama and Texas play for the championship, will anyone give the same credit to the div.1 AA winner?

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NHS, man your a child that needs to settle down a little bit! I do feel that this years team is a closer group than last years group! True Team ball! Last years team had the size and some great speed! However this years team is much faster as a team to the ball! We have an exceptional record on the road as Newnan found out last year in the playoffs and North Gwinett! I feel Northside is a class ball team and I hope both teams show true class Saturday Night! Go Cats Go!

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I guess I was wrong about the hotels. To honest I had my wife check and took her word for the no vacancy close to the dome. I will go on and book myself, She loves football too but I also thinks she wants to go to Helen for the weekend. I still can’t decide how many chilli dawgs I’m going to get at the Varsity, probably on our way to the game from Helen.

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I thought Camden was extreamly fast on offense and defense last year. If you are truly faster this year, and on dome turf, we dont have a chance.

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Nice try NHS, Yall have a huge chance and you know it. This game would go either way during the regular season, add the championship factor and 15-18 year old kids and anything can happen. Nothing else like it.

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I think that everybody overlooking Buford because they are in AA is mistaken. While being in AA means that there is a steeper drop off in quality of teams when you look beyond the upper teams, I really believe that the top 5 or so AA teams could compete with any teams in the state, regardless of classification. It’s not like AA schools have any less talented players – The number 1 player in the state, Da’Rick Rogers plays for Calhoun. And I would bet that Buford has put out as many or more D-1 football players than any other team in the state. And Buford has played outside of AA plenty of times with success nearly every time. Heck, they went to a showcase in Ohio and then the next year in Texas and beat the brakes off both teams (who both happened to be in the highest classification in their state). And don’t forget that the JV football team actually has been playing all of the AAAAA teams from Gwinnett like Grayson, Brookwood, Parkview, etc. having won a handful of championships (It should be noted that they beat the same Grayson JV group that later went on to upset Lowndes last year). So I do think that they should be up there in the mix with Lowndes, Camden Co. etc.

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Thanks ENR, The Glenn it is. We have only missed one Camden game in years and that is because my wife’s grandmother had the nerve to have her 90th birthday the same day we had a football game. Luckily for me we were playing Groves (76-0). Hopefully the same score as this Saturday.

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Did anyone here get my point? I distinctly pointed out that Buford was not as good of a team as probably a lot of the upper-level teams. Todd did not ask us who was the best team did he? NO. He asked what was the best program. All of the other three teams are better, bigger teams and could beat the crap out of Buford probably every year. The high school classifications aren’t based on talent they are based on population of school. If a school has 3000 students to choose from then they are going to most likely be a better team than a school that has 500 or 600. That would make teams like Buford, with five championships, the 20th or 30th or 40th best team in the state. But, if this is about classification alone then only the 5A schools should have been considered anyway. In fact, any of those championships that were won on the 4A level should not be considered since they would probably not be as good based on the fact that they were a smaller school, ie a weaker team. But, maybe Todd can give us some clarification here. I am curious as to what team he thinks.

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HSFOOTBALLFAN, Complain all you want, still noone is going to give Buford the team of the decade. I agree with NHS, they are one of the AA teams of the decade. Charlton being the other, and Charlton is the better team.

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MarkTwain is dead.

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Whats the parking situation like around the Dome? We plan on coming up Sat and heading back after the game.

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NHS, You forgot Woodbine. What is the *** for? Are they stars for the team of the decade? I do agree though, yall should drop the WR. We are going to change our name to Camden – St. Kingsbine.

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Asterick * is for unfair advantage (big school and automatic #1 seed)

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Well, so far it appears that only four or five people are even sharing their opinions on here. Thus far you, EagleNation and NHS appear to be erring on the side of bigger = better and a couple of other people are on the other side. Not really sure there is a right answer but debating between five people is definitely not enough to make anything conclusive.

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Calling Buford the team of the decade in the state of Georgia would be like calling Boise State the college program of the decade. Give me a break!

I don’t know how you guys can get worked up over the Northside, Camden County, Lowndes County debate. Every program could make a logical argument. Let’s see what happens on the field. Team of the decade conversations usually work themselves out.

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EagleNationRising, Buford has tried to schedule local AAAAA schools for years. They got Central for two years, but after that nobody else would play them which is why they had play a 5A school from farther away before having to go out of state for games. The coaches actually mentioned how they didn’t want to go out of state a second year in a row, but had no choice due to the inability to fill their last game. Buford used to play North Gwinnett every year back in the day, but when that rivalry finally ended nobody has been really enthusiastic about playing them… It’s understandable that the bigger schools would be kind of reluctant: It’s a very difficult game with not much glory in it, even if they win.

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December 6th, 2009
8:54 pm
12-3 against the SEC of HIGHSCHOOL FOOTBALL 1- AAAAA

Simply shows what Camden’s record might resemble in region 1-AAAAA.
That would be considerably less wins and considerably less Region championships. In a 5 team region that would be an average of 1 loss a year.

Now credit to Camden on the other hand in that they are definitely one of the best programs in the state. Can’t be denied.

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NHS, I would agree with the * if we had anyway of choosing the region we play in. Kind of like the steriod issue they have a choice of taking drugs. We don’t have a choice and don’t tell me Northside would not trade regions with us. You can claim you like region 1 and I would too if we were in it. But you would change the situation if you could. It does give us number 1 seed, but again an * is wrong to these kids who play and win these tough playoff games in a region that the GHSA put them in .

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Boise State plays in the same classification as USC, Florida, LSU, etc…That is not the same point at all. Camden isn’t going to play Buford or any other lower clasasification team to determine the state championship are they? No, they play the teams that are on their classification level. Had Boise State won more national championships than USC or Florida than I would say that Boise State was the program of the decade. You continue to place the rankings of best team above those of best program. Who has a better football program? The University of Florida or the Atlanta Falcons, who have never had back to back winning seasons. Now, which team is the better team?

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Ok Todd, you are right we the champioship games this weekend and next year. So to date then the team of the decade is Lowndes with their 3 rings. This weekend will determine who is tied with Lowndes at 3 rings. Who beat who in head to head battles dont even matter people…its rings that count!! All these W-L records dont even matter. Also, there is no big difference in in the top two classifications.

However, there is one blogger who I will not name who criticized TCC’s 5 championships of the 90’s(did so a couple of years ago) saying that they were not in the largest classification.(at the time AAAA was the largest and TCC won in AAA). Now this same person wants to argue that there isn’t that much of difference in AAAAA and AAAA…make up your mind. Don’t change your tune now b/c you want to bring your team up in this decade discussion…be consistent!

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Opinion: I have answered the question thoroughly and explained my reasoning. I do not know what else you need. I do not believe that Buford is even in play in this conversation. I do not even believe that Buford is the best program in Gwinnett County this decade. I would take Parkview over Buford any day of the week and during any season this decade.

Lowndes has 3 State Championships, yet have a 3-5 record against the other programs in the conversation. One of their state titles came when Lowndes lost, badly, to the team the Northside beat (Ware County). The Vikings are an impressive 21-5 in the state playoffs.

Camden County is 120-13 and have 2 State Championships. Camden also has a stellar 26-6 playoff record. The Wildcats are also 5-2 against the other programs in the conversation (1-0 this decade against Northside and 4-2 versus Lowndes County).

Northside has 2 State Championships and have won more games than any large classification program (121-13). Northside also has won more state playoff games than any large classification program. The Eagles 27-6 playoff record is the best in Georgia.

I believe that you are looking at some big time horses heading to the stretch. We will not know who is the team of the decade until the decade is complete. That is my answer Opinion. It is too close to call right now. Northside and Camden are neck and neck with Lowndes right there.

Buford is not in the conversation under any circumstances. Mt. Olive is not the team of the decade because they have more National Championships in Division III. Georgia Southern has 6 National Championships. Georgia, Florida, and Florida State have fewer National Championships. Nonetheless, they are better programs in every way.

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Who is playing in the classic next year? Seems to me a great match up would be Camden and Lowndes to start the season. Espcially if Camden wins state this year.

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NHS,

I’m here and I’m not from Camden, NS, or Lowndes! Lowndes has the lead right now b/c they have 3 titles. The winner this weekend will be in a tie with Lowndes. No no no, AA cannot be compared to AAAAA and AAAA….the level of competition is not even close.

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Haha, that is the most flawed reasoning I have ever read. Todd answered my question, anyway. He clearly meant program, not team.

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A Thomas County Central fan says no to Buford. We finally get to play TCC next year, should be fun

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Does anyone here have any analytical skills at all? This is not a debate on the best team of the decade is it? It is a debate on what is the best PROGRAM! To quote Todd. “I meant best program, not best teams. It’s what you do with what you have.”

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How do you know that Buford is not as good a program as the top AAA or AAAA programs? Because they can’t beat them? Does that make a team a better program?

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NHS,

Yea looks like we will be battling those high flying eagles the next few years in the same region. I am just hoping we can stay on the field with you guys…LOL!!! You’re right, should be fun.

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Whats TCC looking like for next year? We are bringing a lot back including QB and running backs.

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JayBo: Either team can make the argument. I can say when Lowndes County won some of their 3 State Championships in this decade the Vikings were not the best team in the state. The problems with the Lowndes County argument are glaring.

First, Lowndes County did not even reach the state playoffs during one season this decade. Therein lie some serious problems! How are you the team of the decade, playing bridge at the house and watching girls’ basketball during the state playoffs. 2004 saw the Vikings dominate the state in the manner a top program should. The 2005 season is where it gets a little shaky. Lowndes wins the state championship, but loses to a AAAA program that lost in the 1st Round? Seriously? Then the Vikings win it again in 2007 after losing at home to Harrison. With all due respect to the Hoyas, Harrison is far from a standard bearing program in this state.

The Vikings 21-5 playoff record this decade is not the best or even the second best. The playoffs are the ultimate test of a team’s strength. So Lowndes is not the best state playoff team, one would have to look at how Lowndes performs during the season. Even by that barometer, Lowndes is not the best or even the second best.

Then, one must look at what Lowndes County does in head-to-head matchups against the state’s best. 3-5 is not what we would expect from the decade’s best program. Look Lowndes is special. It is just hard to say that they are the best. Lowndes has won more State Championships. However, if you are going strictly on that barometer, one should join the Buford crowd.

Hey, all the programs are strong. Something tells me that we will know who wears the crown by the end of this decade.

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1. Northside
2. Camden
3. Lowndes
4. Buford

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JayBo: I have not seen Rogers. I hope he is as good as advertised. We (Georgia) certainly need him. I hope he can make an immediate impact in the same manner Greg Reid (the best player in Georgia last year) did at Florida State.

I had an opportunity to see Akex Ogletree from Newnan. He is as good as I have seen. The best player that I have seen is the young man (#4) from Colquitt County. If Rogers is anything like that, we are in for a treat over the next few years in Athens.

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I hear ya eagle…..but I respectively disagree!!! I still say the rings alone should be the baramoter just like the pros!!! Now I already said buford is out of the discussion b/c of the level of competition in AA. Man you’re gonna try to adjust and slant your view towards NS anyway you can…but its all good!!! If NS wins this wwekend, they are tied with Lowndes in my opinion.

NHS,
We are looking strong next year on both sides of the ball…lost 3 starters on offense…all lineman, and 4 on defense( a DE and 3 DB’s). We should have a serious sqaud and the upcoming 9th grade team hve not lost in 2 years winning by a 21 point avg…man I’m sounding like you know who from NS..I better quit..LOL!!!

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The problem with comparing GrandValley is the same as comparing Florida, LSU, USC. What is the goal of a program if it is not to win championships. Does winning an SEC championship constitute a successful program? If not then Florida has won 2 Championships in ten years. As a team there is no doubt that they are far superior. But, as a program they have failed 8 times and not failed twice. Ask Urban Meyer or Les Miles or any other D-I coach what their goal is at the beginning of the season and they will undoubtedly declare that it is to win the national championship. Tebow wasn’t crying because he only lost the SEC Championship, but also because he knew that there was no chance at a National title. Titles are the measure of a program. Is Grand Valley a better program than Florida is in college football? If I take Todd’s definition of it’s about the best program, not best teams. It’s what you do with what you have. If value is quantified outside of title importance than that is a different case. Florida, for instance, places many more students in the NFL than any Div II or Div III or lower team does. If one is judging program status on that than that is different. Florida also graduates far less than those schools do, which can also be a justification for program success. My opinion is that the best programs are the most successful programs, meaning the ones that win the most championships. Is Florida a better team? Yep. Is LSU a better team? Yes. In fact, most if not all, Div-I teams are going to be better teams, but not exactly better programs. Is Vandy a better team than Georgia Southern who won a few championships recently? Yes. Are they a better program. No way. The Florida, LSU vs. Grand Valley is a better argument but you are still debating team verus program where I am using Todd’s definition to judge program versus program. There are not exactly right answers to opinionated questions. My questions and answers are both opinions, not facts.

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People are sleeping on LaGrange High!! Check there resumes.. They are stock with D1 n NFL prospects every year!! For more info go to lagrangefootball.com

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CamdenGuy: I believe every high school football fan in the state of Georgia knows that Camden is a great program with amazing commnity support. When a person says Northside, everyone knows exactly who they are talking about.

JayBo and Opinion: At the end of the day, our state has some great programs and some great stories. I am going to give the advantage to the winner of the Northside vs. Camden County game Saturday night. They will have the same number of state championships with more wins and playoff wins than Lowndes County. You can not go wrong with either program.

The games this weekend will be great and showcase some of the state’s best. I believe that programs like LaGrange and Charlton County have earned their way into this conversation, as well. We are fortunate to have competitive football across the state.

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If Camden wins…..then its Camden. Not Northside…..they have yet to win a single AAAAA title. Lowndes would be #2.

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Wow, more name calling, now I am nuts. Camden is bigger than I thought. Does any other 5A school in the state get all the football players from 6 communities? Maybe if we close WR, Houston County, Perry and Veterans, we could compete with Camden.

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I think it would have to be a 5A or 4A school. I just don’t see how a 1, 2 or 3A program has a dog in this fight.

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After seeing Buford last Friday, I’ll take Buford in an all-region playoff against Camden Co.!!

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I hear all this talk about Lowndes, Camden, Northside, and Buford and their records, playoff records, and record versus each other to decide who is the program of the decade. Those numbers are fun to look at, but all 4 teams are to similar to compare. The only thing that really matters is championships. That is what every team is playing for right? Lowndes has 3 at the highest classification, they win hands down (not to mention the one they won in 1999). Its a playoff system so in the years they won, they had to go through the best in the state and they have done it more times then anyone at this classification this decade.

1. Lowndes-most state championships at highest classification, toughest region in the state
2. Buford-most state titles in the state (kind of like the Boise or TCU in NCAA)
3. Camden-weak region giving them easy wins and an automatic #1 seed in the playoffs is HUGE advantage
4. Northside-titles at 4A level hurts when compared to Camden and Lowndes

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How did Peach County get left out this discussion? Resume Champs 05 and 06. Runner ups 03(with a regular season lost to NSWR score 10-11). If they win this weekend that makes 3.

The reason Statesboro is not included in this discussion is poor performance the past 2 years in the playoff. But their resume is impresssive champs 01 and 05. Runner-ups 00, 03, 04. That’s a great five year run.

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4 state titles since 1999 at the highest level and one runner up. Winner winner chicken dinner!

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What about Peach County?

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hands down buford; wins – losses, championships, runner-ups, athletes etc., they are what you would call the north georgia all-star teams.

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We moved from the upper midwest just before the 2008 football season. You fans down here are great and true football fans. Here’s my take on why Camden is #1. This year there are only 3 retunring starters on offense and 3 returning on defense. 6 out of 22 and they’re in the State Championship game. That is good coaching and commitment from these players. Further, regarding their weak regions. Is is very weak, no doubt, over the last two the starters only average a little over 2 quarters per game. If the stayed in the entire game, Camden would be blasted for running up the scores. Frankly, there were time when scoring 100 points was really not that far from a reality. But consider this coaching problem. When your starters can only play 2 quarters per game – how can you really prepare them properly for the play off run? How do you get true legitimate game experience when you are blasting another school 48 to 0 at half time and then have a running clock the whole second half??? Thanks – Just my 2 cents.

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Going strictly by the numbers…..

Buford Wolves – Hands down!! No Competition!!!

I find it amazing that every AA State Championship this decade has been Buford or Charleton Co…

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NHS (Northside High School).

For what its worth, Fred = Grayson fan and fred = Camdem fan.

As far the question of program vs team, as Todd said, he is looking for the program that consistantly does the best with what it has. Throughout this season, there has been a tendency to equate 5A with the best programs. 5A programs tend to have a better pool of players to pull from and better financial resources to support the team with things like good stadiums, weight rooms, etc. I think you can successfully argue though that smaller clasifications schools do the best they can with can. I also enjoy hearing and seeing where the college and pro players palyed as high school and college kids and am always amazed at the number that come out of smaller programs. As far as teams go, clearly a Florida or Alabama is a better team in a heads up competion against a Georgia Southern in no small part to the greater resources available to them. But when you look at Ga Southern against the similar sized schools, they obviously have a great program. Ok, maybe not this year but you get my point.

I think there is a lot of really good football being played by good programs that fly under the radar simply because of the attention the big boys get. I say this from the perspective of someone whose school has over 970 kids in the 10th grade alone. That is more than most schools in Ga have in the entire school. Size does not always equate to best.

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Hey, NHS, Camden doesn”t need much of a field goal kicker. He was the coldest and the driest player last Friday night cause he never had play much. Their running backs crushed us. You will see, in about 5 days. Played Northside earlier in season. Northside squeeked by us. Played Camden last Friday, we were lucky to have a shot at it late in the game. Camden will win, bet on it. I’m serious. Their running game is that good.

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Lowndes

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I want to see the Calhoun Yellow Jacket beat the team of the decade this Friday afternoon. 1 to go. Be ready for a championship game. !!!

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In the first decade of the 21 first century, Hoover high of Alabama won six state championships and came in second three times. Now that’s a record.

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The answer is obvious: Buford. Anytime the “big boys” want to play us, give us a call. We’ve tried scheduling North Gwinnett. They refused.

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does anyone know what time northside/camden will play?

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Camden County better be ready to throw the ball if there going to beat us! ………………….Dont just think your going to bring that Wing T up in the dome and run it all night. We will shut it down!!!!!!!!!

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WOLF.. I believe you are incorrect on Buford being refused by others in Gwinnett Co.. I have a few friends in the know at Buford.. After they lost to a 7 – 3 Central team, Buford really did not want a part of the others in the Co.. They had been contacted by Grayson 5 years ago when they were AAA.. The Wolves said, Thanks but no thanks. They have also had an open invitation from Brookwood & Parkview for many years.. Check your sources..

Going by record only: the Wolves of Buford

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all 4 of the above programs have stellar resumes & easily could be granted the title. the only reservation would be the not that buford is 2A, so is charlton county and if i understand correctly like buford ready and willing to take on all comers from higher classifications. charlton county for years played camden county until camden decided to play a national schedule. that being said i believe that the sign of a great program is that a program does with want it’s dealt, lowndes and valdosta swapping positions as the dominate county team and valdosta playing up, though still playing is sec region, northside playing 4 season’s in aaaa, camden county playing in weak region 3-aaaaa(though consistently being paired against the sec runner-up), but in buford’s case they have the ability through recruiting to change their hand. (now let’s be serious buford has a excellent academics and athletic program with plenty div 1 interest so as a player or family of player in the atlanta metro area have to consider it) i digress, 4 great programs 5a/4a to 2a like apples to oranges both great fruit with storied histories but just to different to compare

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stop all yall whinning

That was pretty good…. Definitely agree with recruitement statement about Buford

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Can’t include Camden County since most of their wins were against AAA schools and played on Camden’s home field. Their record looks impressive until you view how it was accomplished. They blow-out their region opponents which allows starters to be kept healthy and for younger players to get important game experience for the following years. GHSA is a joke when it comes to allowing Camden to get away with the seeding. That region should not be allowed a #1 play-off seed.

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NHS (not Camden-StMarys-Kingsland-Woodbine-Waverly-Kingsbay-Browntown-***Unfair Advantage)

You are joking right. There are 50 people maybe 75 that live in Browntown. Woodbine has a 1,000. Waverly has maybe 400-500.
Unfair advantage my behind.

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Right now Lowndes and Camden are the two best Ga teams of the last decade. Lowndes is probably “slightly” ahead… but if Camden wins this week I would put them at No 1 and Lowndes No 2..

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GoPCHS: Yes. As does Forensics (Debate) and Literary. It is one of the most dominant forces in any GHSA activity, especially an activity that the entire state participates in. There are some programs that are as dominant. However, those are in sports and activities that only a small percentage of GHSA schools participate in.

The GHSA One Act Championships should be called the Northside HS Invitational. The same should be said of Literary and One Act. Back in the day, many Warner Robins students would chant “Nerdside” to Northside athletes during games. Of course, those days are long over.

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Classification does matter. When players are playing both ways it affects a football player both physically and mentally. Anyone who suggests otherwise has NEVER played sports at a high level. The case and point is the Northside versus Newnan game. Most of Newnan’s starters played both ways.

Briar Van Brunt had a career day in part because while Newnan’s linemen, linebackers, and defensive backs were blocking and getting hit by Northside defenders, Northside’s entire offense (except one SEC level player, CB/WR Brison Williams) was resting. Van Brunt has NEVER dominated a team in the manner that he dominated Newnan. He was literally running over Cougar players.

It is not because he is a superior player to guys like Alex Ogletree. Playing both ways for fourteen Friday nights and through countless practices has an affect on you. Mentally, the player must execute both an offensive and defensive game plan.

This is where a program like Buford would run into problems. There team is MUCH smaller than the teams in the larger classifications and they just get mentally and physically worn down. Some people have suggested that Peach County HS of Fort Valley, GA belongs in this conversation. Take a look at Peach County’s record against Northside. In skill positions, Peach County is almost ALWAYS better than Northside. It is the physical aspect of the game that Peach County practically ALWAYS falls short.

No team with the majority of their starters playing both ways is better than Camden County, Lowndes County, or Northside. Teams like Camden and Lowndes would violate Buford small team with their wing T. Northside might hang 50 on a small AA team with only 15 or 16 kids playing every down. For all of the chatter about Gwinnett County programs afraid to play Buford, can anyone tell me why Buford has dodged National Competition.

I believe that top national programs would play any other like program. I am convinced that Buford dodges top tier competition to maintain some sort of mystique. I program that can not run with the likes of Lovett and Central Gwinnett, is not in the same conversation as Georgia’s BIG 3!

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WAQ

Northside owns Peach County. We have deafeated them 7 times is a row. On top of that Peach County school system sucks. This is why half of the players on NHS have a father that played for PCHS in the 70s or 80s.

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EagleNationRising. Your last post shows that you have no idea what you’re talking about. Buford would match up in size with anybody in the state. Period. See for yourself.

http://www.fcpsports.com/football/buford_wolves/showRoster.php?section_id=160

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I believe Buford whom I do not like, had 13 D-1 players sign or were offered from the 2007 team (the grad . class w/ Omar Hunter)which is more than any other team that year. That could be one way to make an apple/orange comp. closer.

By the way, I have seen Da’Rick Rogers play this year and yes he is rated the best in GA and may be the best playmaker I have seen since H Walker. UGA’s coach Ball just shook his head in amazment all night against Lovett last Friday. If you haven’t seen this kid, get to the Dome Friday at 4:30 just to watch him leapfrom some of his teammates during warm-ups.

Good Luck to all the kids who have worked hard to get to the finals and give us old farts something to do!

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What a bunch of losers!!!!

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HS Fan

Ask your self the question “How can a AA program have that many D-1 recruits from one community in one year?” Answer recruitment…..

Because of this in certain great recruiting class years (like 2007) I believe they can compete with Camden, NHS and Lowndes.

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WAQ…

wait so D1 talent wins football games? because camden only has one small time D1 prospect, and in the past they havent put out hardly any legit d1 prospects. so camden must suck?

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HS Fan– You act like Buford is playing top quality teams in AAAAA and nationally. The fact is Central Gwinnett is not a top flight team. The 2 teams that Buford has played in the Herbstreit Classic were bad teams. Grove City in Ohio was 4-6 in 2006 and 2-8 in 2007 (the year Buford played them). Mansfield Timberwolves in Texas was 4-6 in 2008 ( the year Buford Played them) and Ranked 122 out of 232 Class 4A teams. Class 4A is not the highest Classification in Texas. Mansfield was 5-5 this year. Hardly another Top Flight team. I also know that Buford had the opportunity to take Central Gwinnetts place in the Progressive Football Challenge and play Byrnes. Buford declined and picked up Grovetown instead.
You can’t deny Buford’s success or the number of D1 players that they have. Their recruitment process is second to none and their roster is full of players that live in the Mill Creek, Collins Hill, Ng and other school districts.
Now to answer the question who has the top program, I say this weekend has alot to say about that. Camden, Northside, Lowndes, Parkview and even Buford have a claim. If Camden wins Saturday, I would have to go with them and conversly go with Northside if they win. Both Lowndes and Parkview had years where the didn’t make the playoffs at all. Camden plays in a weak region, which guarantees them a playoff spot and Northside has won their Championships at the AAAA level.
Good topic!

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Did Camden voluntarily withdraw from the Corky Kell, or do the organizers want to market the thing towards a North Atlanta area crowd? If Camden did drop out, it could turn out very well for them. We’ve been stuck with some bad teams in the past. Imagine Camden playing Kell. Might as well play any one of at least a dozen southeast Georgia teams. I’m pretty sure the Corky Kell conflicted with us playing some regional powers in the past. Maybe now we can play two or three great out-of-state teams. Hoover, Norwestern Miami, Miami Central, Byrnes, Prattville, Independence, St. Thomas Aquinas, Bolles and Lakeland to name a few would all be better opponents than at least half of the ones in the Corky Kell and none of them are more than 2 hours further away than Atlanta. Maybe we’ll schedule Northside or Lowndes or one of the other good teams not in the Corky Kell (Buford fans, If you want to proove yourselves start calling your AD).

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Buford is so good, they should not practice this week as a reward.

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northisde observer.

everyone has to listen to northside observer, i mean he obviously tells us what we can and cant talk about. so are you gonna let me say something about the games this weekend, or can we only talk about the best program?

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There is no “team of the decade.” If one program had been truly dominant, such as winning twice as many titles as anyone else in the highest classification, sure. But the four schools you mention each have reasons to celebrate their accomplishments. None of them outshine the others, and none are tarnished or diminished by the accomplishments of the others.

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Flyer, you are correct about the Ohio team… they weren’t the greatest competition. The Texas team though, was actually a 6-6 playoffs team the year Buford played them. That’s why they were both so lopsided of victories… I think the point is the fact that Buford is recognized nationally as a team talented enough to invite to a showcase. And although Central Gwinnett wasn’t the best team in Gwinnett, they were a solid playoff team and a medium to compare Buford to some of the better teams. As I said, Buford put more points on them than any other team in ‘05, including Lowndes. Regarding the Progressive football challenge, I don’t think it was an issue of Buford not wanting to play in it. The offers for the Herbstreit classic come very early so they had to commit over a year in advance meaning their schedule was already closed up.

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NHS-the referee gods gave statesboro the win in 2005? Get over it. Your program has 131 wins this decade and still complianing about a call? I’m sure that NHS did NOT get any favorable calls during this time.
To the eagle fan telling Camden has an advantage by being the largest school in the area? I believe Northside high has the largest enrollment between the schools in WR. NHS also has a feeder middle school for football, were robins & hoco do not. What was the record of the 6,7,8 graders football teams? I here they were undefeated also.

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No, Houston County has the largest enrollment.

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Feeder system is part of being a good program, most schools have it. If you dont have it, you need it.

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NHS

kingsbay is a town in camden?

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WHAT YEAR DID C.GWINNETT BEAT BUFORD? HOW MANY GAMES HAS LOVETT WON PLAYING BUFORD THE LAST 5 YEARS ??? NO AAAAA SCHOOLS WILL PLAY BUFORD–IF YOU KNOW ONE HAVE THEM CALL COACH WOOD–HE NEEDS FIVE GAMES NEXT YEAR!!!

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I graduated from Camden County in 1978. Yes I am an old fart.
We went undefeated in the regular season in 75. Lost to the awesome Americus team 19-0.

In the 80s and 90s had some winning playoff seasons in AA.

There have always been players in Camden. Even when there was only 13,000 people living in the county.

Today the population is over 50,000. Some folks on this blog think that one high school pulling from a population of 50k gives Camden an advantage. I live in Gwinnett county now. And I know that North Gwinnett pulls students from a population of WAY more than 50K.As does Parkview, and MIll Creek. So I dont think there is an advantage to getting students from BRowntown and Waverly with a combined population of 600 people.

Charlton county use to play Camden every year. They scrimmage now and I tell you, they give Camden all they can handle. Some years winning the scrimmages just like they use to win some in the past when they played every year. Charlton county has a great program. Just a small school.

Camden has a great program. Great coaching, great players. Their program can be duplicated in other counties and schools. It has nothing to do with the fact that Savannah does not care about high school football and field weak teams.Put Camden in any region and they would be fine.

I dont think they have the greatest program of the decade. I think You could agrue for Parkview, NSWR,Lowndes,Buford, quite a few schools. But they are in the top 5.

And todd the reason they win…is because they excell. It has nothing to do with soft region schedule. They win out of region, they win out of state.They win in the Corky Bell, They win in the Dome, they win in Valdosta, they win in Sugar Hill( North Gwinnett) Put them in Russia…and they would be a great program.They cannot help where they are located in the state, nor the competition in their area. ***They have no control over that**** The debate that ” well they dont have injuries so that is why they win is Crap, they have injuries like any team. Last year their key back was hurt. Ean Days a junior stepped up and he was the man. Injuries happen to any team.

Every year they travel 6 + hours to the dome,and they seem to do quite well. Every year they play a game or two way from home in the playoffs, and they seem to do well. When they won in 2002….they won it on Valdosta’s stadium as the visitor.One year Lowndes won the championship , I think they played every game except the Dome at home.Not one person said ” Well they did not have to travel to play, so they are just an average team. No, they were Lowndes so they got credit for being good. Camden does the same and somehow they have an unfair advantage. I dont know what more a team can do to prove themselves. But your guys lay your hat on whatever you can find. Reminds me of the Tech fans who say ” oh if Nesbitt had not been hurt we would have beat Georgia or ” if Tech had enough time to run their regular run offense we would not have had to pass and then we would have beat Georgia.”

Hogwash.

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PROSKILPAT, Reeze, why would Camden change what has won State Titles in 2003 and 2008. They ran the same offense against Northside last year, and won. In fact they ran all the way to the state title. Camden has heard the same thing for the past 4 games, you will have to throw, we will not let you run on us. Unless you are strapping it on and getting on the field(which I doubt) you have no say so as to what Camden will or will not do. Lowdnes had a stout and fast defense, Colquitt had a stout and fast defense. The Wing T is predicated on execution by the offense, not the defense, as Denzel Washington said in Remember the Titans about the Split Veer, “It’s just like novacaine, just give it time, it will work.” Northside, should not be so concerned about the Camden rush game, which I doubt Coach Nix will, Northside’s offense will have to prove it can move the ball against that Camden defense. This game will be about special teams, and turnovers. Who will flinch first. I expect to see some hard hitting going on in the dome.

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Hambone– Again with the Texas and Ohio stuff. Just because Buford beat mediocre and bad teams out of state is no reason to declare them the best ever. You might want to ask the powers at Buford why they chose to play Grovetown instead of byrnes this past year. That would have been an opportunity for Buford to step and shut everyone up. But we all know that Buford is really not interested in playing in any real competition. I do believe that Buford would fair well against the best Ga. has to offer. They are just not willing to back up their talk. It’s much easier to stay down and beat up teams, than it is to lay it on the line. So congrats on your title this weekend!
By the way, Buford has 53 college signees since 2000. I just looked at one website, Stephenson has had twice that amount. I’m sure there are others with similar numbers

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Todd, why does it matter what region a team plays in? Yes, it does help the win loss record, but if you win championships like Camden does, you eventually play a 1 or 2 seed along the road. That is crazy for you to say they play in a weak region, Todd. Most of the time you don’t play a 4 seed in the semis or finals. That was the weakest excuse I have ever heard…Weak region hahahaha…They win championships Todd in AAAAA get real dude

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Smart list of teams Camden can now play instead of the Kick-Off Classic. Smart list because you have them not even considering Texas teams.

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Dr Goober,

Come on man, there is no comparison between AAAA and AA!!!! I am not a fan of NS, but I do know two things: 1) There is not much difference between AAAAA and AAAA…..period 2) There is a BIG difference between AAAA and AA…period!!!

I have seen other buford posters talk about buford playing against larger classifications….can you guys think a little bit??? Its one thing to play against a larger school in one game, but something totally different to play against them friday night after friday night!!! So please, throw that arguement out of the widow. If Buford wants to get respect tell them to get some guts and move up. Until then, JayBo is not impressed!!!! What??? I am supposed to be impressed with a team that is stacked(unfairly I might add) with great players who dominate other schools who cannot do the same???? Let me be clear…u DO NOT IMPRESS ME BUFORD!!!!! Thats like the bully in school picking on smaller kids. In fact, I just came up with a new name for buford…its bully buford!!!

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First of all, a shout out to A Viking Fan: If he or his son is available-just wanted to find out how he’s doing?
Re Team of Decade: It will be decided Saturday night. Camden-Northside winner.
For all the Lowndes fans: Does anyone remember December 7, 2001 & said significance?

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New Camden:

This is your statement not mind:

“That’s roughly 125 players and for the most part they all played. ”

You made my point,,,, this is how you develop depth and talent during live game situation in front of your sale out crowds. This is invaluable experience my friend…

A week division helped the San Fransico 49ers for years(Falcons used to be in that division) until they changed the division now look at them. They have not competed in a super bowl after the re-aligned of divisons.

Florida State owned the ACC until Miami and Va Tech joined the conference and changed that.

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I promise you Buford, if you AD called, our AD will make it happen. But if we accept the game, played it and won. It will be Camden beating up on another small school. Yes on the GPB stations, Check your area for the station number, AAAAA Saturday @ 8

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If you ask which program has been the best for the last decade, the answer has to be Buford. The other programs mentioned, and others which could have also justifiably been included, all have had fabulous records, but none quite match Buford’s. That certainly does not mean that Buford could have beaten any of THESE AAAAA teams in any of the past ten years. Maybe they could have, and they certainly could have been much more competitive than most other AAAAA schools were, but they probably would not have won those games. The poster who made the point that Buford’s good sized starters would not have been able to play both ways and dominate against the strongest AAAAA teams is, I believe, very observant. In A, AA, and AAA many players start on both sides, and doing so in a critical game against a strong foe, and certainly game after game as in 1-AAAAA, would certainly take its toll. In Region 6-AA, Buford dominates physically and any team that can keep the margin to under 30 points is doing great. If the Wolves used their passing attack against its region foes to keep us off balance, as they did against Fitzgerald, they would completely blow us away(most years). But they focus on the basics to perfect that aspect and to give nothing away for their playoff opponents. In the 2007(I believe) championship game, Lovett went to Buford and lost 50 – 0, with the Wolves mercifully running it straight down the middle in the rain all night. I don’t remember them running more than 3 sweeps or throwing more than 3 passes. Had they opened things up, they could have beaten us 80 – 0. They outweighed us 70 lbs and were 6″ taller to the man on average. We had one player who weighed 240 and they had 17 over that weight, if I remember correctly. So size does matter. Another thing that matters is coaching. Buford has succeeded this decade with two different head coaches, but who could tell, they are both great coaches. Coaching in the different classes probably differs very little. Look at how closely Charlton County has played Camden and Lowndes in the past with 2,000 fewer students, but they probably wouldn’t have been able to do so week after week. Also, the wonderful Valdosta coach Nick Hyder, was just as wonderful when he was coaching at West Rome in AA. Obviously, Camden’s coach is wise to play his younger players all year long because it keeps them excited and prepares them for being champions each succeeding year. Put Buford’s coach at Camden, Lowndes, NS, Valdosta and he would have a top AAAAA program, just as those coaches would have if you put them in Buford. If it were possible to have every school have the same student population, then you could really answer this question, but how sad that would be with so many players no longer getting the chance to start. Regardless, just as in the NCAA’s screwed up BCS/Bowl system, we’ll never know which team is this year’s truly best team, much less which program is the best for the decade. BUT, anyone who misses the Calhoun/Buford game is going to miss a fabulous game, whether it’s the best or not. Calhoun’s offense and Da’Rick Rogers are worth the effort, and who knows what Buford’s coach has planned to stop what no one else has. And what a great memory all these players, cheerleaders, bands, coaches and directors will have for the rest of their lives for representing their schools in the DOME. The fans may prefer to play the state championship at home, but all the kids on the field would prefer to be in the DOME.

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To: Whatever: NSWR does not have a lock on being the only HS with a feeder middle school. In fact they have two middle schools. That is, Thomson and Northside middle. They played each other for the 8th grade county championship. The 8th grade team from Northside middle hasn’t ever lost a game from 7th grade. WR Demons has Huntington middle school exclusively, and picks up players from WR middle and Bonaire middle at the HS level. Houston Cty has Feagin middle school exclusively and pick up players from WR middle and Mossey Creek middle at the high school level. I hope this helps to clarify you thougths on our feeder system.

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Anyway I was going to suggest maybe use a formula like this website(above link) uses and see how the schools compare.
Camden doesn’t have anybody to play down here because I think the bigger schools have chickened out around here. We(Wayne) use to compete a little but program has fell apart. Ware, Glynn and Brunswick all could have made a region here.
Charlton is my pick for the smaller schools. I have relatives from there and believe me there is no metro area to pick up players in. It’s amazing what they have done in the last 20 years.

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oh by the way I forgot to mention

ROLL TIDE!!!!!

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Many people criticize CAMDEN’s schedule, team, region, and program as weak and/or overrated. They say if we were in region 1AAAAA that we wouldn’t win as much. Well if we win this Saturday night in the DOME that means we would have beaten Northside, Lowndes, and Colquitt County in these playoffs. So in addition to the Region 3AAAAA and the GHSA State championship, NHS should send us the Region 1AAAAA championship trophy!!! TEAM OF THE DECADE BECAUSE OF HEAD TO HEAD WITH NORTHSIDE, LOWDNES, AND A WINS VS ANY OTHER TEAM THAT MATTERS THIS DECADE IN AAAAA,,, END OF DEBATE!

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Someone mentioned Statesboro. This might have been true if yall hadnt run one of the best coaches in history out of town.

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Camden should go ahead and return all their region trophys now.

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They played Aiken, SC and he blew that game up there also, going for 2 at the beginning of the 4th quarter instead of tying it up with a PAT. We never got the ball back and lost by one point. We never played Byrnes!
I wonder who we will play now that we are not going to the Corky Kell Classic?

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I think what everyone fails to realize about the classification differences is depth. For one game, the Bufords, Fitzgeralds, Charltons etc., could play close or possibly win some of the top teams in the higher classification but not week after week. For most of the small A and AA schools a lot of those guys play both ways and there is no way they would have anything left in the 4th quarter against a Lowndes, Camden, or Northside. These schools are dressing out 100+ kids for every game, rotating guys in every other play, their stadium is twice the size, twice as loud, and a completely different atmosphere. I give all the credit in the world to the Bufords of the world but to compare them to another dominant AAAAA team is not possible.

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JayBo- Buford does not limit their enrollment, it is a public school system run by the city of Buford. Im guess they the city tells developers they can’t build inside the Buford city limits because more houses might mean they have to move up in classifaication? Give me a break. Now granted, they do a little recruiting there. For 2K you can send your kid to Buford if you live outside the city limits. Heck, every star player in the Collins Hill cluster pretty much transferred there in the late 90’s and early 00’s, but not now.

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EagleNationRising-”The best player that I have seen is the young man (#4) from Colquitt County.”

You are absolutely right that kid is amazing!

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camden vs lowndes , camden leads 7 to 6 but lowndes has scored more 227 to 145

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ughhhhhh without a doubt it’s my PARKVIEW PANTHERS….

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The pure stats say Buford, why is that so hard to accept? People are thinking with their hearts. The big schools have a superiority complex that has nothing to do with the question. It not a “who’s got the biggest big toe contest”.

The bigger question is “How do they grow them so big,strong and fast in that little town?”

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mistermak

December 8th, 2009
8:58 am

Love your post…. You get it…

This why you need to know how your program is built and not be distracted by win/lost totals. I remember when Robert Davis left WR Demons and the after math that followed. I remember when Mike O’Brian left Valdosta and the after math. These coaches are not god. My son played at Statesboro for Buzzbee and look at that program now since he left. Fans need to how they are built that includes your advantages and disadvantages. Whither it be a weak region schedule or recruiting.

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Camden County gets my vote for Team, and Football Program of the Decade…..

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AVikingFan- my prayers are with you and wish you a full and speedy recovery!!!!!

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cat faithful making a case for my school , if you would pay attention to the TOPIC you would see what i was doing….oh yeah CAMDEN`S record at the dome ….not too good

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It has to be Lowndes. More state titles at the highest classification, in the toughest region. They don’t get automatic homefield advantage like Camden and Buford in the playoffs and yet still have 3 titles this decade. From what I saw they were the best teams in the state in 2008 and 2009 and unfortunately had to play on the road against very good teams. Talent wise, I don’t think anyone could compare to them the last 2 years.

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Good point No Doubt. I attended numerous Lowndes games the past couple of years and when they were firing on all cylinders, they were dominant. Ask Peachtree Ridge, North Gwinnett, Borrkwood, and Valdosta. Hell they didn’t play very well against Colquitt this year and still won by 25 at Colquitt. They have two losses this year by a combined 6 points to the two teams that are playing in the state championship, and both were on the road. What if those games were played in Valdosta. Unlucky seedings/coin flips both this year and last year cost Lowndes two more state titles. I am not a Lowndes or Valdosta fan, just calling it like I see it.

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Flyer

Good point…

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WAQ – “I just have hard believing that many D-1 recruits are in AA community school.”

True but my thinking on this subject just comes down to performance and their performance can’t be denied! But in the end who really cares who the team of the decade is? I just want my team to be the team of the 2009 season Saturday night!

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AVikingFan

December 8th, 2009
3:32 pm
A very special thanks to all my blogging friends for their thoughts and prayers. I am getting stronger every day, and WILL get throught this thing. Two major arteries were stopped up and had to be by-passed, and either could have caused me to never watch another football game. I was really that close. But thanks to God, my wife, and my friends like you, I am getting stronger each day.

A special good luck to all the teams and therir fans treveling to and from the Georgia Dome this weekend. If any of you have any contact with players on your teams, tell them how proud you are of them.

I will be on the side and reading the blogs when I can. Thanks again and God Bless each of you.

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We are ALL pulling for you to get well soon.

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Flyer

Thanks for that info.

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Guwinster,

Regarding the statement about the Corkey Kell “We’ve been stuck with some bad teams in the past”, with all due respect I believe you played a good team this year.

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As long as Buford’s recruits are legal, what can you say? Me, I’m saying their stats don’t lie, they are THE team of THIS decade.

That being said, Go Jackets beat Buford.

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A Boy Named Sue- Buford has a NFL player right now, Darius Walker. Denver Broncos. and people come to Buford because their success. people want to be a part of it and come here, the coaches dont go out and get people. so yes y’all are all wrong.

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Buford is a great team/program no argument but to leave out our nieghbors Charlton out of the AA picture is an insult.Much harder for them to maintain with the pool they have to draw from,way harder than Buford in football rich Gwinnett Co.I have more respect for them than any team in the state because of that.

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charlton shouldnt be left out my bad. and camden has dont great things too, but all of these people throwing shots at buford dont know anything about the school or how hard they work.

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LOWNDES!

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You can’t be the Program of the Decade if you play with submarines

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topper camden assst coach is in prison for teritic threaths he said he would fking kill thoes little basters and that b**** of and [ex] wife

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randy prosen , were you at the lowndes/camden game? camden did not beat us we beat ourselves ,

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To Sue: Peach County has had 4 Super 11 players since 2000. They are AJ Bryant, Tony Wright, Darius Dewberry, and Chris Slaughter.

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happy holidays,
to all the teams, bands, cheerleaders, parents and fans making the trek to the dome, safe travels and injury free games this weekend are my holiday wishes!!

good luck!!

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plowboy – Never enough drives past the 50 to make me comfortable! But enough to win the game. Both teams played lights out defense! I just wish tjat game had been played later in the playoffs.

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well i guess it doesn`t matter about programs of the decade , heard a rumor that COACH MCPHERSON maybe going to Florida State….

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don`t know but MADISON county florida`s coach quit this week and that is where coach mac came from

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losing coach mcpherson would not only be a lose for nhs but for gahs football, but understand wanting to move on to bigger challenges, partly hoping not true but he and his coaches have built a solid program which should still flourish especially down in 4A if houston county does its due diligence with his replacement

but still only a rumor right plowboy!!

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topper

i realize that got distracted with real life matters on my end, my apologies to all ; }

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SHUT UP about camden co.camden has made it this far i give them that.but they just cant compete with northside this year.northside starts mostly 10th and 11th graders who will most likely go to a D1 schools.we have the best safety in the state and who is a good friend of mine.and we have a grade freshmen team that won all there games by atleast 30.we will see saturday night

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The ignorance on here is amazing!!! I even read someone say Camden chooses to play in a week region to rest it players. Since when do high schools get to chose their regions? Stop with the easy region stuff, we play were they put us just like yall do. We know our region games are boring and easy, but there is nothing we can do about. But sayin it is an unfair advantage is silly since we have no say so in the decision. I would agree with you if we planned it made it this way.

Buford… You are making you program look bad by claiming the program of the decade. You will no way earn that title playing in AA. If you want the title play the next 10 years in AAAAA. If you are scared then be content with being the best AA team of the decade, instead of saying noone will play you, move up and they will not have a choice.

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Yes I was speaking of Howard “Buzz” Busby. I had the pleasure of speaking with him at the Greenville/Wilcox game. Its a shame he retired so young. Hell of a coach.

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Go Cats!! Maybe it is not fair to compare Buford to the 5A teams on here, but you can’t deny that they have had a heck of a decade. With that being said their resume would look better if Charlton wasn’t in AA. Now they can claim ownership to AA without looking over their shoulder at us!! Go Indians!!

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When we get 2 the dome lets show Camden respect . GO EAGELS GO !!!!!!!

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Todays the day northside.nhs drumline player.thats are football/band theme song We ready for WAR!!!

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Putting NHS in the same category with Camden is laughable. The majority of NHS’s 121 wins were in 4A. Most of their games, especially during 06-07, were glorified practices running up the score and completely lesser talent. NHS is good but this year played WAY above their heads. They were a couple of bouncing balls away from a 6 or 7 win season.They had heart, I’ll give them that. But in the end that can only get you so far. As I watched how that team was getting flustered and thrown off their game so easily last night, I realized they didn’t belong there. The way they looked last night was the way they looked earlier against WRHS in that 4th qtr. If you actually hit them in the mouth early they can’t recover.

The next time anybody wants to discuss teams of the decades, let’s break them up in classes. NHS may be the best 4A team of the decade but they don’t belong in the same class as Camden.

Congrats Camden, YOU are the team of the decade.

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Camden won the State championship 31-3.
And I think the debate about the best in the decade is over.
They have a legit claim.

Oh and we all recognize that Region 1-AAAAA is the best.
But Camden beat three teams from that region Lowndes,Colquitt, and Northside to win the state.

Does not matter who they play, they got it done.
And THAT is the reason they are the state champions in back to back seasons.

Congrats CATS!

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Team and Program of the Decade belongs to Camden County. Great Job Region 3-AAAAA Camden County Wildcats….

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Great job camden, that is what you call true dominance and a classy program.

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Camden County has a strong program that goes all the way down to Grammar School age programs,so these players have played Jeff Herrons system forf 7 years before they are seniors. Plus don’t forget……these youngsters are pulpwooders, that is paper mill country, Also with that huge navy base there more prospects move in each week thanks to Navy transfers, and the kids whose parent transfers stays around to finish eligibility, Canden has a never ending stream of players coming along. What does it matter who they play in the region? ….only the playoffs is what gets you the bacon.

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