Program of the decade? Camden, Northside stake claims
Northside and Camden County will play on Saturday for the Class AAAAA championship.
Is this also for the title of ”football program of the decade”?
Let’s look at the candidates:
Northside: 121-13 record this decade, two state titles, two runner-up finishes, but is it significant that the titles were won in Class AAAA, below the highest level?
Camden Couty: 120-13 record this decade, two state titles, but are Camden’s W-L record and playoff draws enhanced from playing in the state’s weakest Class AAAAA region?
Lowndes: Three state titles and six championships in the state’s toughest region, but does that make up for having only 106 victories this decade and a 2-4 record vs. Camden County?
Buford: 137-7 record this decade and five state titles, with a sixth possible, but how do you compare AA vs. AAAAA?
Is there another program that deserves consideration? Parkview? LaGrange? Charlton County?
As far as the other finals, there are no great surprises that I see except Clarke Central. Great job by Leroy Ryals in reviving a program that hasn’t been in a title game since 1992. Sandy Creek also deserves some recognition. An early loss conspired to keep this team out of the limelight until it counts.
All the finalists from AAA down have been ranked No. 1 or No. 2 at some point this season. I’d say Sandy Creek is a solid favorite to win AAAA, but the rest of the finals are toss-ups.
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wardawg
December 7th, 2009
6:58 pm
PROSKILPAT, Reeze, why would Camden change what has won State Titles in 2003 and 2008. They ran the same offense against Northside last year, and won. In fact they ran all the way to the state title. Camden has heard the same thing for the past 4 games, you will have to throw, we will not let you run on us. Unless you are strapping it on and getting on the field(which I doubt) you have no say so as to what Camden will or will not do. Lowdnes had a stout and fast defense, Colquitt had a stout and fast defense. The Wing T is predicated on execution by the offense, not the defense, as Denzel Washington said in Remember the Titans about the Split Veer, “It’s just like novacaine, just give it time, it will work.” Northside, should not be so concerned about the Camden rush game, which I doubt Coach Nix will, Northside’s offense will have to prove it can move the ball against that Camden defense. This game will be about special teams, and turnovers. Who will flinch first. I expect to see some hard hitting going on in the dome.
HamboneSpecial
December 7th, 2009
7:01 pm
Buford Wolves!!! They have played AAAAA, AAAA, AAA in Georgia, Texas, and Ohio and beat them all. Ask the coaches fromNorth Gwinnett, Gainesville, Peachtree Ridge, and any redneck school in south Georgia why Buford isn’t on their schedule…they will look at you like you are crazy.
Here is the deciding factor. Div. 1 schools know where the talent is. That is why Buford has had more D-1 signees than any other school in Georgia the last 9 years and why there was 15 college scouts at practice tonight!!!
Flyer
December 7th, 2009
7:39 pm
Hambone– Again with the Texas and Ohio stuff. Just because Buford beat mediocre and bad teams out of state is no reason to declare them the best ever. You might want to ask the powers at Buford why they chose to play Grovetown instead of byrnes this past year. That would have been an opportunity for Buford to step and shut everyone up. But we all know that Buford is really not interested in playing in any real competition. I do believe that Buford would fair well against the best Ga. has to offer. They are just not willing to back up their talk. It’s much easier to stay down and beat up teams, than it is to lay it on the line. So congrats on your title this weekend!
By the way, Buford has 53 college signees since 2000. I just looked at one website, Stephenson has had twice that amount. I’m sure there are others with similar numbers
New to Camden
December 7th, 2009
7:45 pm
WAQ and Can’t Include Camden — Sorry WAQ but I think you missed the entire point I was attempting to make. Simply put without good competition your team has a very difficult on how to improve. How by any stretch of the imagination can starters get better when you only play half of a game and there is a running clock?
They have no way of knowing how to handle pressure situations, know how to handle tough competition where they’re getting their brains beat in every single play for 48 minutes. Think about it. I have personally been to every ball game this year and I can safely tell you “Can’t Include Camden” that the starters never, ever played three quarters in any regional game this year. Most times they went in for one series and were done. To Coach Herron’s great credit, he and his staff over the last 2 years did an absolute fantastic job of getting every player in those games. That’s roughly 125 players and for the most part they all played.
Gentlemen — Say what you want but the stats speak for themselves. Camden 120 – 13. Northside 121 – 13. Camden defending State 5A Champs. 2008 ESPN ranking – #4 in the nation at the end of the year. 5 of the last 6 years the 5 A Champs have either been Lowndes or Camden. Seems there is one common theme here – Camden County Wildcats!!!! GO CATS !!!!
BEST OF LUCK TO ALL THE TEAMS THIS WEEKEND !!! At this level there are NO Losers
Nathen
December 7th, 2009
7:49 pm
Todd, why does it matter what region a team plays in? Yes, it does help the win loss record, but if you win championships like Camden does, you eventually play a 1 or 2 seed along the road. That is crazy for you to say they play in a weak region, Todd. Most of the time you don’t play a 4 seed in the semis or finals. That was the weakest excuse I have ever heard…Weak region hahahaha…They win championships Todd in AAAAA get real dude
spwhite
December 7th, 2009
7:49 pm
Question about the Dome seating. First time going to the championship game. How does the seating work? Is it first come first served or when its time for your team to play do the other fans move out? Our is it assigned seating? Thanks in advance for the info!!!!
Guwinster is Smart
December 7th, 2009
7:53 pm
Smart list of teams Camden can now play instead of the Kick-Off Classic. Smart list because you have them not even considering Texas teams.
cchswildcat86
December 7th, 2009
7:58 pm
spwhite……first come first served
JayBo
December 7th, 2009
8:07 pm
Dr Goober,
Come on man, there is no comparison between AAAA and AA!!!! I am not a fan of NS, but I do know two things: 1) There is not much difference between AAAAA and AAAA…..period 2) There is a BIG difference between AAAA and AA…period!!!
I have seen other buford posters talk about buford playing against larger classifications….can you guys think a little bit??? Its one thing to play against a larger school in one game, but something totally different to play against them friday night after friday night!!! So please, throw that arguement out of the widow. If Buford wants to get respect tell them to get some guts and move up. Until then, JayBo is not impressed!!!! What??? I am supposed to be impressed with a team that is stacked(unfairly I might add) with great players who dominate other schools who cannot do the same???? Let me be clear…u DO NOT IMPRESS ME BUFORD!!!!! Thats like the bully in school picking on smaller kids. In fact, I just came up with a new name for buford…its bully buford!!!
Camden Mark
December 7th, 2009
8:12 pm
U have to give the small schools,Buford and Charlton,a little love.
Nobody in any class wants to play these guys and they have been doing it for years.
As for our school,always a bad idea to pick against us.Camden rolls 28-13
In 4A Clark Cen. 3A,Red Elephants of Gainsville. 2A,One of our all time great programs Buford shows it self still dominant. 1A Wilcox crosses the hump and gets first title.
SouthGARules
December 7th, 2009
8:22 pm
First of all, a shout out to A Viking Fan: If he or his son is available-just wanted to find out how he’s doing?
Re Team of Decade: It will be decided Saturday night. Camden-Northside winner.
For all the Lowndes fans: Does anyone remember December 7, 2001 & said significance?
settle.errthing.saturday!!
December 7th, 2009
8:30 pm
hey does anyone know if the games will be televised, if so what channel??!! pleaseandthankyouuu.
WAQ
December 7th, 2009
8:39 pm
New Camden:
This is your statement not mind:
“That’s roughly 125 players and for the most part they all played. ”
You made my point,,,, this is how you develop depth and talent during live game situation in front of your sale out crowds. This is invaluable experience my friend…
A week division helped the San Fransico 49ers for years(Falcons used to be in that division) until they changed the division now look at them. They have not competed in a super bowl after the re-aligned of divisons.
Florida State owned the ACC until Miami and Va Tech joined the conference and changed that.
wildcat fan
December 7th, 2009
9:01 pm
Camden will not change what got them there. You said we will not run the ball 90% of the time and win, no we will run it 98% of the time and if we are running it that much, you know what that means, Personally Im glad we are not playing in the Classic. I would love for us to schedule, Bolles of Jacksonville, Lakeland Fla, Daytona SeaBreeze, Miami Car, Lowndes or even Buford. Maybe a team from Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvannia. I promise you it would be someone nationally ranked that takes that place on the schedule. Camden will play anyone anywhere.
wildcat fan
December 7th, 2009
9:06 pm
I promise you Buford, if you AD called, our AD will make it happen. But if we accept the game, played it and won. It will be Camden beating up on another small school. Yes on the GPB stations, Check your area for the station number, AAAAA Saturday @ 8
AA FAN
December 7th, 2009
9:44 pm
Well Wildcat Fan if your team wants to play Byrnes, Lakeland ect…. Have them give your AD a call.Flyer says he can make it happen. Charlton,Buford,do fairly well to be small schools. I know Buford played some good AAA schools the past few years Gainsville North Hall. All of these schools are a GREAT source of pride to their communities,and I hpoe the DOME is full Friday and Saturday. Good luck to all teams in the finals.
AA Region 6 Fan
December 7th, 2009
9:49 pm
If you ask which program has been the best for the last decade, the answer has to be Buford. The other programs mentioned, and others which could have also justifiably been included, all have had fabulous records, but none quite match Buford’s. That certainly does not mean that Buford could have beaten any of THESE AAAAA teams in any of the past ten years. Maybe they could have, and they certainly could have been much more competitive than most other AAAAA schools were, but they probably would not have won those games. The poster who made the point that Buford’s good sized starters would not have been able to play both ways and dominate against the strongest AAAAA teams is, I believe, very observant. In A, AA, and AAA many players start on both sides, and doing so in a critical game against a strong foe, and certainly game after game as in 1-AAAAA, would certainly take its toll. In Region 6-AA, Buford dominates physically and any team that can keep the margin to under 30 points is doing great. If the Wolves used their passing attack against its region foes to keep us off balance, as they did against Fitzgerald, they would completely blow us away(most years). But they focus on the basics to perfect that aspect and to give nothing away for their playoff opponents. In the 2007(I believe) championship game, Lovett went to Buford and lost 50 – 0, with the Wolves mercifully running it straight down the middle in the rain all night. I don’t remember them running more than 3 sweeps or throwing more than 3 passes. Had they opened things up, they could have beaten us 80 – 0. They outweighed us 70 lbs and were 6″ taller to the man on average. We had one player who weighed 240 and they had 17 over that weight, if I remember correctly. So size does matter. Another thing that matters is coaching. Buford has succeeded this decade with two different head coaches, but who could tell, they are both great coaches. Coaching in the different classes probably differs very little. Look at how closely Charlton County has played Camden and Lowndes in the past with 2,000 fewer students, but they probably wouldn’t have been able to do so week after week. Also, the wonderful Valdosta coach Nick Hyder, was just as wonderful when he was coaching at West Rome in AA. Obviously, Camden’s coach is wise to play his younger players all year long because it keeps them excited and prepares them for being champions each succeeding year. Put Buford’s coach at Camden, Lowndes, NS, Valdosta and he would have a top AAAAA program, just as those coaches would have if you put them in Buford. If it were possible to have every school have the same student population, then you could really answer this question, but how sad that would be with so many players no longer getting the chance to start. Regardless, just as in the NCAA’s screwed up BCS/Bowl system, we’ll never know which team is this year’s truly best team, much less which program is the best for the decade. BUT, anyone who misses the Calhoun/Buford game is going to miss a fabulous game, whether it’s the best or not. Calhoun’s offense and Da’Rick Rogers are worth the effort, and who knows what Buford’s coach has planned to stop what no one else has. And what a great memory all these players, cheerleaders, bands, coaches and directors will have for the rest of their lives for representing their schools in the DOME. The fans may prefer to play the state championship at home, but all the kids on the field would prefer to be in the DOME.
New to Camden
December 7th, 2009
10:43 pm
WAQ — Sorry Dude don’t mean to put you down ok? But…have you ever tried to play 125 players less the 22 starters so we’re looking at 103 kids with a running clock??? Again, you’re not geting the picture at all. Those kids get one and if they are really really lucky 2 series and the next set of kids come in. They get maybe 4-6 plays. Camden’s program is one of the best because we have great coaches, kids that love to play and want to put the work into being good players.
Good Night All — I’m out!!
Nothside Observer
December 7th, 2009
10:44 pm
To: Whatever: NSWR does not have a lock on being the only HS with a feeder middle school. In fact they have two middle schools. That is, Thomson and Northside middle. They played each other for the 8th grade county championship. The 8th grade team from Northside middle hasn’t ever lost a game from 7th grade. WR Demons has Huntington middle school exclusively, and picks up players from WR middle and Bonaire middle at the HS level. Houston Cty has Feagin middle school exclusively and pick up players from WR middle and Mossey Creek middle at the high school level. I hope this helps to clarify you thougths on our feeder system.
1276jacket
December 7th, 2009
11:10 pm
http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/rankings/all_time_team_rankings.php
1276jacket
December 7th, 2009
11:16 pm
Anyway I was going to suggest maybe use a formula like this website(above link) uses and see how the schools compare.
Camden doesn’t have anybody to play down here because I think the bigger schools have chickened out around here. We(Wayne) use to compete a little but program has fell apart. Ware, Glynn and Brunswick all could have made a region here.
Charlton is my pick for the smaller schools. I have relatives from there and believe me there is no metro area to pick up players in. It’s amazing what they have done in the last 20 years.
mistermak
December 7th, 2009
11:53 pm
As a Camden resident and fan it is real sickening to see how people are just stuck on the ‘Coaches’ here!! I give them credit for building a good program and spending the money wisely. (weight room, etc..) but once the program is built and playing in this region, it don’t take a legend to win here. I agree Camden is a great high school program but please quit worshiping these coaches like they are the Bear!! Don’t worry Coach Herron is payed well he don’t need all your praise!!
mistermak
December 7th, 2009
11:56 pm
oh by the way I forgot to mention
ROLL TIDE!!!!!
CamdenAlum01
December 8th, 2009
12:55 am
WAQ,
All of the programs in the county run the same system… Both middle schools and even some of the recreation leagues. The kids who aren’t starters get most of their experience at the JV and 9th grade levels. The game experience matters, but it doesn’t matter much if a kid gets 5 plays at the most or we get to the point when we are substituting 11 players (freshmen) every play.
MisterMak,
I don’t think people are “stuck” on the coaches. You should know where Camden’s program came from. I remember going into Brunswick, Hinesville, and other places hoping for a win. We’ve always had the players here in this county, but never the coaching (before the 2000 season). If you don’t have the coaches to get those kids on the right path, then it doesn’t matter much. Regardless of what you think, the coaches do matter. Look at the knowledge of the game on the sidelines. We perform in the playoffs and that accounts for something. The kids are the ones who go on the field and play, but the coaches are the ones spending countless hours away from their wives at home, trying to put together an amazing gameplan for the kids to execute. These coaches go into overdrive during the Non-region games and especially during the playoffs. Pre-Herron, the coaching meetings probably consisted of a lack of organization and game preparation. We had scouting reports back then, but definitely nothing like what is put together for the kids each week now. The coaching staff has a LOT to do with it.
CAMDEN-WILDCAT-#72
December 8th, 2009
7:25 am
Many people criticize CAMDEN’s schedule, team, region, and program as weak and/or overrated. They say if we were in region 1AAAAA that we wouldn’t win as much. Well if we win this Saturday night in the DOME that means we would have beaten Northside, Lowndes, and Colquitt County in these playoffs. So in addition to the Region 3AAAAA and the GHSA State championship, NHS should send us the Region 1AAAAA championship trophy!!! TEAM OF THE DECADE BECAUSE OF HEAD TO HEAD WITH NORTHSIDE, LOWDNES, AND A WINS VS ANY OTHER TEAM THAT MATTERS THIS DECADE IN AAAAA,,, END OF DEBATE!
Pat
December 8th, 2009
7:26 am
Yes Camden County plays ina weak region but look over the last 5 years the top ranked teams from other states they have played. like Brynes, S.C and Hoover, Ala, I think, regardless of the region they still get things done at playoff time
Shawn
December 8th, 2009
8:19 am
Someone mentioned Statesboro. This might have been true if yall hadnt run one of the best coaches in history out of town.
Flyer
December 8th, 2009
8:20 am
Pat– I think that Camden will probably win too, but when did Camden play Byrnes? I know they played Hoover this year.
NHS (not Camden-StMarys-Kingsland-Woodbine-Waverly-Kingsbay-Browntown-***Unfair Advantage)
December 8th, 2009
8:33 am
Camden should go ahead and return all their region trophys now.
mistermak
December 8th, 2009
8:58 am
Camden Alum 01 I have been around here for 30 years. I know exactly where the program has been. I give him credit for what he has built but, in this county he has become a legend in his own time. What will we do when he decides to leave. We might as well drop down to AA because that is the only way we will win, right? He has built a great program, but for 7 or 8 games a year he has no competition. Now I will say that it says something to be able to keep those ‘kids’ focused during those games. But it really aint that hard when the JV (which is on the feild the whole 2nd half) can beat those teams. It kind of reminds me of Florida State when they first joined the ACC.
But remember he is just one man and there are plenty of things that go on in that program behind the scenes that most know nothing about. And some of it aint so good! How many of you Camden fans know about the asst. coach that worked for him last year that moved away because of what happened between a player (whom has since graduated and recieved a scholarship to a school in New York) and his wife? There are things that get covered up!! Come to think of it, that reminds me of FSU also!!
Of course I hope they win, but please quit recommending the coach for saint hood!
mistermak
December 8th, 2009
9:02 am
They played Aiken, SC and he blew that game up there also, going for 2 at the beginning of the 4th quarter instead of tying it up with a PAT. We never got the ball back and lost by one point. We never played Byrnes!
I wonder who we will play now that we are not going to the Corky Kell Classic?
mistermak
December 8th, 2009
9:21 am
NHS You forgot White Oak, Tarboro, Spring Bluff,!! With all these big cities, we might as well start our own 6a region right?
A Boy Named Sue
December 8th, 2009
10:01 am
I think what everyone fails to realize about the classification differences is depth. For one game, the Bufords, Fitzgeralds, Charltons etc., could play close or possibly win some of the top teams in the higher classification but not week after week. For most of the small A and AA schools a lot of those guys play both ways and there is no way they would have anything left in the 4th quarter against a Lowndes, Camden, or Northside. These schools are dressing out 100+ kids for every game, rotating guys in every other play, their stadium is twice the size, twice as loud, and a completely different atmosphere. I give all the credit in the world to the Bufords of the world but to compare them to another dominant AAAAA team is not possible.
GA HS Football Fan
December 8th, 2009
10:03 am
Couple of items to clear up….to those who argue that Camden should have another High School….a) for a County of 650 square miles we only have a population of around 50,000, most of which is situated in the Southeast section of the County, at this time…really does not make sense to do anything different at this point. b) As growth occurs, it will most likely be west of Kingsland and at the North end of the County…as it happens the matter will probably need to be revisited.
About Jeff Herron…..no doubt he is not only a great coach and a future hall of famer….he and several others (excuse me if I leave anyone out) namely McPherson at Lowndes, McWhorter at Charlton, Nix at Northside, etc….have a few things in common, not the least of which is that they have great organizational skills, do not deviate from their systems (I know….we all are great grandstand coaches…”he should be passing more….he should be running more…blah.blah…blah)and they all stress the fundamentals. What happens when one of them leaves?…..the next coach at any of these programs should remember the following: Check your ego at the door…don’t make any drastic changes…these programs have been built over time with the offensive and defensive sets being run at the middle school level…if you have a QB that can throw…throw a little more…if not run the ball…Emphasize the Defense….sound fundamentals on the line and tackling in space (i have yet to see a team that consistently, year to year, tackles better in space than the kids at Camden….”the hips don’t lie”). There really is no need to overly complicate things by introducing gimmick offenses and plays that cannot be duplicated year after year. The game of football has changed in some ways, but it still comes down to the ability to run the football consistently, blocking and tackling, don’t turn the ball over and avoid stupid penalties.
If Camden runs the football against Northside effectively and avoids the turnovers (the ones that get converted into points) they should win Saturday….will be a great game to watch
mike
December 8th, 2009
10:05 am
JayBo- Buford does not limit their enrollment, it is a public school system run by the city of Buford. Im guess they the city tells developers they can’t build inside the Buford city limits because more houses might mean they have to move up in classifaication? Give me a break. Now granted, they do a little recruiting there. For 2K you can send your kid to Buford if you live outside the city limits. Heck, every star player in the Collins Hill cluster pretty much transferred there in the late 90’s and early 00’s, but not now.
CAMDEN-WILDCAT-#72
December 8th, 2009
10:11 am
SHAWN,,, You are correct about Statesboro. I was at GA Southern when Buzz Busby kicked the kid off the team that kept cursing out teachers and the principle decided he was going to tell Busby how to run his team by trying to force him to take the kid back stating the kid had terrets syndrome. Busby quita and then came back all in the same week and the left for good after the season. Pennington won a championship in 2005 at Paulsen Stadium against Northside WR who had twice as much talent as Statesboro on the field but could not score for some reason. Every since then Statesboro has drifted into total mediocrity. THEY ARE DEFINITELY TEAM OF THE DECADE IN GA, maybe AAAA but not the state.
topper
December 8th, 2009
10:29 am
EagleNationRising-”The best player that I have seen is the young man (#4) from Colquitt County.”
You are absolutely right that kid is amazing!
plowboy
December 8th, 2009
10:43 am
ENR your facts are wrong LOWNDES lost to WARE COUNTY IN 2005 not 2007 they lost to harrison that year , in 2007 we blasted ware county and you guys struggled big time …and yes i know your starting qb marquez ivory had to come in and save the game…but you still struggled
plowboy
December 8th, 2009
10:59 am
camden vs lowndes , camden leads 7 to 6 but lowndes has scored more 227 to 145
plowboy
December 8th, 2009
11:00 am
Camden would not be undefeated every year if they played in Region 1 aaaaa,
Jeff Francoeur
December 8th, 2009
11:45 am
ughhhhhh without a doubt it’s my PARKVIEW PANTHERS….
topper
December 8th, 2009
11:51 am
mistermak -”How many of you Camden fans know about the asst. coach that worked for him last year that moved away because of what happened between a player (whom has since graduated and recieved a scholarship to a school in New York) and his wife?”
I know about this story but fail to see what it has to do with anything being discussed here! So why bring it up?
Jefferson
December 8th, 2009
11:51 am
The pure stats say Buford, why is that so hard to accept? People are thinking with their hearts. The big schools have a superiority complex that has nothing to do with the question. It not a “who’s got the biggest big toe contest”.
The bigger question is “How do they grow them so big,strong and fast in that little town?”
HS Fan
December 8th, 2009
12:06 pm
AA Region 6 Fan – Well Put!
WAQ
December 8th, 2009
12:19 pm
mistermak
December 8th, 2009
8:58 am
Love your post…. You get it…
This why you need to know how your program is built and not be distracted by win/lost totals. I remember when Robert Davis left WR Demons and the after math that followed. I remember when Mike O’Brian left Valdosta and the after math. These coaches are not god. My son played at Statesboro for Buzzbee and look at that program now since he left. Fans need to how they are built that includes your advantages and disadvantages. Whither it be a weak region schedule or recruiting.
CamdenAlum01
December 8th, 2009
12:44 pm
MisterMak and WAQ,
No one is saying that these coaches are Gods. If he ever decides to leave, we will continue to win games. We’ve always won games, just not deep in the playoffs. As long as a coach can come in and instill discipline into a program that is flourishing, then it doesn’t matter who is at the helm. If they install an offensive and defensive scheme that is centered around the type of athletes present, then that works well also. What is covered up has nothing to do with the kids showing up every Friday and executing. It’s all in game preparation. Again, I’m not saying he is a God to the game of Georgia High School Football, but when you can consistently compete with the Big Dogs week-in and week-out throughout November and December, then that says something. Sometimes, a coach is only as good as his team is.
SportsFan31313
December 8th, 2009
1:15 pm
Camden County gets my vote for Team, and Football Program of the Decade…..
SportsFan31313
December 8th, 2009
1:38 pm
SouthGARules States:
First of all, a shout out to A Viking Fan: If he or his son is available-just wanted to find out how he’s doing?
Greetings SouthGaRules,
I just communicated with AVikingFan via telephone. I was not aware of this, but he wishes me to share this with the bloggers, and he specifically mention Todd Holcomb.
Last Thursday, AVikingFan was rushed to the emergency room, and as a result, he had emergency open heart surgery. He stated that he almost came close to seeing his last football game last week. My prayers goes out to him along with his family for a speedy recovery.
Todd Holcomb, Micheal Carvel, AJC Sports, EagleNationsRising, Mistermak, SouthGaRules, Reeze, Yo, Slalom, Viking Dad, and those whom are regulars on this blog whom I have not mentioned, lets all send out a get well message to AVikingFan for Speedy Recovery.
topper
December 8th, 2009
2:02 pm
AVikingFan- my prayers are with you and wish you a full and speedy recovery!!!!!
cat faithful
December 8th, 2009
2:25 pm
plowboy eversense the Vikings loss ihave noticed that you have adifferent attitude could you be a SORE LOSER!!