Program of the decade? Camden, Northside stake claims

Northside and Camden County will play on Saturday for the Class AAAAA championship.

Is this also for the title of ”football program of the decade”?

Let’s look at the candidates:

Northside: 121-13 record this decade, two state titles, two runner-up finishes, but is it significant that the titles were won in Class AAAA, below the highest level?

Camden Couty: 120-13 record this decade, two state titles, but are Camden’s W-L record and playoff draws enhanced from playing in the state’s weakest Class AAAAA region?

Lowndes: Three state titles and six championships in the state’s toughest region, but does that make up for having only 106 victories this decade and a 2-4 record vs. Camden County?

Buford: 137-7 record this decade and five state titles, with a sixth possible, but how do you compare AA vs. AAAAA?

Is there another program that deserves consideration? Parkview? LaGrange? Charlton County?

As far as the other finals, there are no great surprises that I see except Clarke Central. Great job by Leroy Ryals in reviving a program that hasn’t been in a title game since 1992. Sandy Creek also deserves some recognition. An early loss conspired to keep this team out of the limelight until it counts.

All the finalists from AAA down have been ranked No. 1 or No. 2 at some point this season. I’d say Sandy Creek is a solid favorite to win AAAA, but the rest of the finals are toss-ups.

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SportsFan31313

December 6th, 2009
1:57 pm

Hey Todd Holcomb,

I mentioned that a few weeks ago about Camden County and Northside Warner Robins.

SportsFan31313

December 6th, 2009
1:59 pm

Todd,

There are other teams that are in other classifications, and years ago that have accomplished this, and deserves recognition as well who have done this.

SportsFan31313

December 6th, 2009
2:11 pm

Todd States:
Camden Couty: 120-13 record this decade, two state titles, but are Camden’s W-L record and playoff draws enhanced from playing in the state’s weakest Class AAAAA region?

Todd,

Come on now, you know better. Camden County Football program is so great, that I strongly believe that it wouldn’t matter what Region they played in, the end results would more than likely be the same. Look at it. They have beaten great football teams / programs in all Regions in Class AAAAA this decade. Camden County this decade have beaten good football teams out of every Region in Class AAAAA. That says a lot. In my opinion, Camden County is the best football team this decade in Class AAAAA.

SportsFan31313

December 6th, 2009
2:21 pm

Todd States:
Is there another program that deserves consideration? Parkview? LaGrange? Charlton County?

Todd,

I can add a few just thinking about it. It does not compare to the competitiveness against the States Highest Classifications in my opinion but they do have several accomplishments. I would probably have to research. But here a few teams.

Class AAAA in the 80’s
Valdosta. 4 State Titles

Class AAA in the 90’s

Central Thomasville. 5 State Titles

Class AA in the 80’s

West Rome 4 State Titles

Class A in the 80’s

Lincoln County 4 State Titles

SportsFan31313

December 6th, 2009
2:50 pm

Okay,

I’m getting an early start, but here are my predictions for the winner of the State Title at the “DOME”.

Class AAAAA

Camden County vs Northside Warner Robins:
Two teams with great Defense. Defense wins games.
This will be a fight to the finish.

Winner: Camden County

Class AAAA

Sandy Creek vs Clarke Central
Sandy Creek has definitely surprised me this year beating a Perennial Power such as Griffin, and has earned my respect. However; Clarke Central has been around for years and has a great coach there. Clarke Central does have history in winning, and have 3 State Titles under their belts.

Winner: Clarke Central

Class AAA

Peach County VS Gainesville
This will definitely be another HUGE showdown when these face off to each other:
Gainesville has a great football program, and Peach County has a great football program as well.
This will be another fight to the finish. Both teams has winning history.

Winner : Peach County

Class AA

Buford vs Calhoun

Buford has earned their respect this year, and Calhoun, well everyone knows how good Calhoun is.

Winner: Calhoun

Class A

Savannah Christain vs Wilcox County

Two South Georgia Teams.
Savannah Christian is a private school out of Savannah, Georgia. Wilcox County is out of Rochelle, Georgia. Savannah Christian has 7 GISA State Titles out of dating back from 1975 to 1984 Wilcox County was the No. #2 seed out of Region 2-A and have earned their respect by making it to the finals.

Winner: Savannah Christian

Okay, there you have it. Good Luck Teams:

Todd Holcomb

December 6th, 2009
3:28 pm

SportsFan31313: You are certainly free to discuss the best decades of all-time, and those you mention are great. And you might want to add Valdosta of the 1960s (6 state titles in the highest class). But my question is about the current decade. We haven’t settled that yet.

peterson

December 6th, 2009
4:04 pm

AAAAA This game will be won on the sidelines ……. it will take all 4 quarters..Northside will win

haha

December 6th, 2009
4:07 pm

i would love to give it to lowndes, really would, great program, coach, players. good D1 talent. and i would give it to them untill you look at the head to head against camden and then you cant give it to them because camden has showed that they are the better team. hate on camdens region and who they play, but at the end of the day in the playoffs they get it done.

Without a doubt

December 6th, 2009
4:49 pm

Without a doubt, the hands down winner is Georgia Tech. They have proven to be one of the areas best HS programs. Certainly best in the city of Atlanta at times. You would think people would want to come see them play. The stadium is right off the MARTA line and the various specials they run to sell the place out are amazing.

Again, GA Tech gets my vote.

SportsFan31313

December 6th, 2009
4:52 pm

Todd,

You are right, but I those were off the top of my head. I haven’t researched them.

travrob

December 6th, 2009
4:54 pm

CHARLTON COUNTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Brian

December 6th, 2009
5:07 pm

How many teams outside of Camden County and North Gwinnett H.S. have even dared to venture outside the state for quality competition on a regular basis. Camden County has taken on good teams from Florida and great teams from Alabama and South Carolina who went on to be eventual state champions. The Wildcats have to go out of state because everyone from Metro is afraid of them. And those who are invited to the Classic cringe when they here the matchup is against Camden County. They are the AAAAA team for the 1990’s with out a doubt!

Get at NG

December 6th, 2009
5:11 pm

North Gwinnett…..before Bob sphire we were NOTHING. Now look at us? We will get a state title here soon.

wardawg

December 6th, 2009
5:39 pm

Region Champs: 2001-2009

State Semi-finalsist:2002,2003,2007,2008

State Champs: 2003,2008

State Play offs: 2000, 2001,2002,2003,2004,2005,2006,2007,2008,2009

Georgia State Record: 58 straight regular season victories. Began 9 Oct 2000. Some prominent programs during this streak Brookwood, Parkview, Ware, Charlton, Lowdnes, Walton. 20 shutouts, 2337 points scored, 439 points allowed. These are the facts.

bjohndawg

December 6th, 2009
5:46 pm

Look, Todd. You keep talking about weak region play and playoff slot draws. Lets look at this season. Camden goes on the road travels 6 hours and beats North Gwinett 35-0. Did they have some advantage there. They have to travel to the Dome again 6hours to play Northside. What advantage is there. When they won the championship in 2002. Where were they…oh yeah they played Valdosta in Valdosta.
They won last year after traveling 6hours hours to the Dome.

Sorry but I dont see traveling to top teams stadiums and playing them or traveling 6hours to the dome as some kind of advantage. And if a weak region schedule was indicating they should not be playing the lowndes counties and Newnans and North Gwinnetts and all the other teams that supposedly “Earned their win with tough region play….then why does Camden not get blasted out in those games? Why because they are good, because they belong.

Funny how Metro Atlanta teams have excuses for losing. What is North Gwinnetts excuse? Well we had to play Camden County at Home? And Camden had to travel six hours so that gave Camden an advantage?

What was Newnan’s excuse last year? Well Camden had to travel 6 hours to the Dome, so Camden has an advantage.
When will the AJC and this state just admit that Camden County has a great program, and quite trying to justify why they win and other teams lose?

Do they have the greatest program of the decade? Probably not…but it is one of the top 3-5. Add Lowndes, Northside WR and Buford.

CamdenGuy

December 6th, 2009
5:46 pm

Camden is in Region 3AAAAA and can you name a team in Georgia that would play a team like Hoover, Alabama and then send the team up to the Corkey Kell Classic for thge first game of the season as well as shop for teams outside of the region to make us work harder! Coach Herron has done and incredible job coaching and building this progam up despite our location in the state! Respect comes whem you really look at the class by which the program is built! Oh by the way, Hoover just won the 6A State Championship in Alabama!

NHS Fan

December 6th, 2009
5:48 pm

Actually, Todd, only three of Northside’s five title game appearances were in AAAA. Their first appearance, in 2001against Parkview was in AAAAA. The three in AAAA were the 2005 loss to Statesboro, and the 2006, 2007 wins against Marist and Ware Co., respectively.

Borodawg

December 6th, 2009
5:50 pm

Statesboro. Two titles, three runner-ups, beat NS in 04 and 05. Maybe not the best, but pretty strong.

Football4Life

December 6th, 2009
5:53 pm

“Buford: 137-7 record this decade and five state titles, with a sixth possible, but how do you compare AA vs. AAAAA?”

Buford yes!..What difference does the classification make? You act like Class A are baginners and 5A are the pros. If you can dominate, your classification does not matter. And Buford has played out of state teams over the last few years and dominated. It you are 2A and you play for a title in 2A, then you are playing schools of the same student body size. This means we all only have less than 1000 students to choose from to play. Take a 5A school with 4000 students….a lot more kids to select from. So, no matter what your class, a champion is a champion.

yo

December 6th, 2009
6:00 pm

And Dawgs will soon be the best football team in Shreveport, La. Maybe?

yo

December 6th, 2009
6:14 pm

I say give it to all 4 of them.
Good argument for each.
All are deserving.

Camden and Lowndes (assuming Camden should win this year) will have had equal amounts of state championships. If not, then you would have to say Camden would have been the first to lose to Northside in a AAAAA state title game. Something not even Parkview did….at the Mac.
In fact, if Parkview had not of fallen off so bad since Lowndes went up and beat them in the Big Orange Jungle in 2004 then you might have to include them in the argument.

Obviously Camdens won/loss record would not have been any better than Lowndes if they had of played in 1AAAAA for the whole decade. But then on the other hand Lowndes might have had a few more losses as a result also.

Northside, Warner and HOCO…get your butts back into Region 1AAAAA where you now belong. The travel will be less and the money from gates will be better, unless you think Bainbridge and Columbus schools are going to travel all that way with a big fan base.

Plus, going to see a game at Cleveland Field and The Concrete Palace is
just simply better than the alternatives. Not to mention Brodie Field, the Hog Pen and Sardine (is that a fish?) stadium.

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
6:18 pm

Todd, I would say you have them in the correct order.
Northside #1
Camden #2
Lowndes #3
Buford Who?

Since Northside has the most wins (121) and is 1 – 1 against Camden in the last 10 years, and Camden has an unfair advantage (big school and weak region) Northside is already the best program of the decade. But to be fair, lets call Saturday the tie-breaker, winner takes all, State Champion and program of the decade.

dgroy

December 6th, 2009
6:18 pm

This is like comparing apples and oranges and it is my opinion……it’s just the AJC’s way of starting another controversy. AJC, stop it and start writing real sports articles.

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
6:23 pm

Statesboro beat Northside in 2004 but the referee gods beat Northside in 2005.

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
6:25 pm

Believe me, Northside fans want to stay in 1AAAAA. But unfortunately we dont get a vote.

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
6:29 pm

Buford,
Northside, Camden and Lowndes will be happy to play you next year, come on down.

JayBo

December 6th, 2009
6:34 pm

This question is VERY EASY….The team with the most championships is the team of the decade!!! Therefore, its Lowndes with its 3 titles. Now if Camden wins this weekend, its a tie between them and Lowndes!!! I know Buford has 5 titles, but to me their titles are skewd b/c they limit their enrollment just to remain in AA…..they should be forced to play up by the GHSA(but thats another story). End od story, end of arguement, period!!!

Come on folks, I have always said that the object of the game is to win the Championship!!! All those regular season wins mean nothing if you to have the titles to show for it!! Just look at pro football and all of their teams of the decades…they always measure them by the number of championships won. Dallas was the team of the 90’s b/c they won titles, not the Buffalo Bills, even though they won a bunch of games. I could bring up example after example of how teams of the decades have been named. So again, its Lowndes and possibly Camden. Its doesn’t matter if Camden has beaten Lowndes 20 times….what matters is championships!!!

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
6:37 pm

Lets make a deal, if both Lowndes and Camden will build another high school to level the playing field, we will stay up.

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
6:42 pm

Size matters, even in Football!

JayBo

December 6th, 2009
6:43 pm

Sports fan 31313,

Its not Central Thomasville, its THOMAS COUNTY CENTRAL(TCC). But you are correct, we were the team of the 90’s with our 5 championships!!!!!!

chris

December 6th, 2009
7:04 pm

Todd, et al,

I hate to break it to you jock sniffers but this decade isn’t over until next year. The first decade of the 21st century is 2001-2010. 2000 is part of the twentieth century you idiots. For those AP jocks out there, this is because we start counting with the number 1 not 0.

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
7:11 pm

Us jock snifers and Todd say a decade is 10 years, any 10 years, in this case the last 10 years(1999 to 2009).

“In English, “decade” can also be used to specify any period of ten years.”
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decade

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
7:14 pm

Most of us jock sniffers did manage to graduate, even though we probably made a C- in math.

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
7:16 pm

So we know you failed math and english. How are you in football knowledge?

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
7:17 pm

Us idiots and inquiring minds want to know?

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
7:21 pm

Hope Santa brings you a dictionary for Christmas

eaglezero

December 6th, 2009
7:29 pm

2 of Northside’s state title games have been in AAAAA. 2001 and this year.

Drago

December 6th, 2009
7:32 pm

Hey nhs (northside high school):

“Us jock snifers and Todd say a decade is 10 years, any 10 years, in this case the last 10 years(1999 to 2009).”

uh, that is 11 years.

TNGADAWG

December 6th, 2009
7:35 pm

I think sportsfan31313, haha, and brian are all missing TH’s main point when he talks about Camden playing in a weak region. It can be compared to the SEC. When you play strong teams almost every week it makes a huge difference in not only your W-L record but injuries, attitude, etc. Your season can go to “pot” fast when these things start adding up. 1-AAAAA is a prime example of this. Look at Northside, beaten by WR this year, just squeaked by Lowndes and Colquitt. Oh, and don’t forget Valdosta. That is a murderous schedule. When you just play a great team such as Hoover or a team from FL once or twice a year, and you have patsies the rest of the season, you don’t have all those intangibles to worry about. Make sense? You know it does.

yo

December 6th, 2009
7:37 pm

And using NHS (northside high school) calculation of a decade
it is Lowndes hand down. 4 state championships in a (NHS) decade.

I like it!

yo

December 6th, 2009
7:39 pm

TNGADAWG don’t forget Northside’s “squeaking” by Tift this year also.

raymond

December 6th, 2009
7:45 pm

Lowndes!!!! Give NS Warner Robins 10 years in this region and see how many wins they get. Most of their 121 wins came in AAAA. I don’t want to even hear about Buford and the sissy classification they play in. As for being 2-4 against Camden, how many state titles do they have? Camden plays in a pansie region and Buford plays teams like Fitzgerald, would like to see them against the likes of Lowndes, Warner Robins, NS Warner Robins, and Colquitt Co. ( notice I didn’t even mention Valdosta).

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
7:46 pm

I told you I made a C- in math. Really, I started counting from Dec 31 1999, so the 1999 foottball championship for Lowndes does not count.

raymond

December 6th, 2009
7:46 pm

Pretty sure Northside Warner Robins was AAAA in 2001.

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
7:48 pm

Too bad Lowndes did not squeak by Northside and Camden this year. How is basketball going down there?

raymond

December 6th, 2009
7:48 pm

All Northside has to do is petition the high school association to stay in 1-AAAAA like Valdosta did.

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
7:51 pm

With us leaving 1AAAAA, 1AAAA will the toughest region next year, sorry.

TNGADAWG

December 6th, 2009
7:55 pm

yo, agree to some extent. If NS had played the 2nd half like they did the first half, that game would have gone into the L column as well. You are right, because Tift is good even when they have an “off” year. When I said “squeakers” I was talking mainly about final scores. Good point, though. Region 1-AAAAA is without a doubt the SEC of GA high school football. Would love to live to see the day when all the “big boys” from AL-GA-FL competed in a regional classification week in and week out. That would be something. Bet the colleges and pros would like it too. You just know they could get a good TV deal as well. Do not be surprised if it happens in the future.

Black is Back

December 6th, 2009
7:55 pm

Charlton County has done very well in AA for the size of the school, but I think we will be even better back in 1A.

NHS (Northside High School)

December 6th, 2009
7:56 pm

Next year, Valdosta will lose to Lowndes and Lowndes will lose to Camden, if some north georgia team doesn’t beat them first. AAAAA is just so predictable.