Georgia High School Football Daily Spotlight: Reclassification in Class AAAAA — Will Camden move to Region 1?
The Georgia High School Association will place schools in regions for the 2010-14 academic years on Dec. 2. Each day this week, the GHSF Daily staff is going to look at a different classification and tell you how we’d do the regions, starting with Class AAAAA.
These are not projections. We’d have more luck predicting the exact scores of every game this week than how the GHSA will divide up the regions. Our goal is simply to bring to light some of the questions and challenges that define the GHSA’s task next week.
Here’s how we’d do Class AAAAA:
1-AAAAA (6 teams)
Camden County (moved from 3-AAAAA)
Coffee
Colquitt County
Lowndes
Tift County
Valdosta (playing up)
Going down: Houston County, Northside, Warner Robins
Notes: Four current 1-AAAAA schools were assigned to Class AAAA because of declining enrollment. Schools may choose to play in higher classes than the ones they’ve been assigned. We expect Valdosta to play up while the Houston County schools (Warner Robins, Northside, Houston County) play in AAAA. Do we think the GHSA is going to put Camden County in this region? We’ll believe it when we see it. But here’s the logic: The average road trip for Camden County in the new Region 1-AAAAA would be 121 miles. The average trip in Region 3-AAAAA would be 107 miles. But in 1-AAAAA, there are only five opponents. Let’s do the math: Five road trips times 121 miles is 606. Seven road trips times 107 miles is 749. In other words, Camden will travel less in a six-team Region 1-AAAAA than an eight-team Region 3-AAAAA. We realize that Camden pays many Savannah schools to give up their home football games and come to Camden, but that’s irrelevant because the travel for the region overall is the same whether Savannah comes to Camden County or vice-versa. GHSF Daily asked Camden County football coach and athletics director Jeff Herron about his school moving to Region 1. His answer: “I still don’t see how we could with the consideration we must give to the other sports. It would force all of our other sports to play all of their games on the weekends [because of long travel on week days]. But, with that few of schools [in Region 1], the region schedule might be easier to pull off. I guess we will just have to wait and see what happens.”
2-AAAAA (7)
Luella
M.L. King
Newton
Redan (playing up)
Shiloh (moved from 8-AAAAA)
South Gwinnett (moved from 8-AAAAA)
Stephenson (playing up)
Going down: Douglass, Greenbrier, Union Grove
Notes: Five of the eight current Region 2 schools have been dropped to AAAA, leaving Luella, M.L. King and Newton as the only legitimate AAAAA schools. We suspect Stephenson and Redan will play up and remain with M.L. King, their DeKalb County neighbor. We see Douglass, Greenbrier and Union Grove taking the plunge, although Union Grove might want to stay with fellow Henry County school Luella. Regardless, the big question is how to fill out this depleted region. There are two ways to do it: One is to merge what’s left of Region 2 with what’s left of Region 4, as both regions lost significant membership. That would form a catch-all southside metro Atlanta region that stretches 67 miles from Newnan to Covington. The alternative? Force some Gwinnett County schools to join. Those Gwinnett schools that border DeKalb (in order of the likelihood of joining Region 4) are South Gwinnett, Shiloh, Parkview, Meadowcreek and Norcross. It’s only 42 miles from Luella to South Gwinnett. Also don’t rule out Brookwood and Grayson, though neither borders DeKalb.
3-AAAAA (7)
Beach (playing up)
Bradwell Institute (playing up)
Groves (playing up)
Jenkins (playing up)
Johnson, Savannah (playing up)
Savannah (playing up)
Windsor Forest (playing up)
Moved: Camden County (to 1-AAAAA)
Notes: It’s expected that the seven Savannah-area schools will play up again, leaving this region intact except for the possible move of Camden County to Region 1. One source in Savannah told us that even Richmond Hill from Class AAA and Benedictine from AA are considering AAAAA. If that happens, the GHSA will have even more reason to put Camden County – which is isolated in the southeast corner of the state – in Region 1.
4-AAAAA (8)
Campbell (from 6-AAAAA)
East Coweta
Langston Hughes (new to AAAAA)
Marietta (from 5-AAAAA)
Newnan
Pebblebrook
South Cobb (from 5-AAAAA)
Westlake
Going down: Chapel Hill, Lovejoy, Morrow, Mundy’s Mill, Riverdale
Notes: Region 4 picked up Langston Hughes from South Fulton but lost four Clayton County schools, plus Chapel Hill, so it needs rebuilding. Unless this region merges with Region 2 (as discussed above), there’s no alternative but to draw from Cobb County schools. Note that Pebblebrook, a school in south Cobb, already competes in Region 2. South Cobb is the most eligible candidate. After that, we picked Marietta and Campbell, but McEachern and Hillgrove are suspects, too.
5-AAAAA (8)
Cherokee
Etowah
Harrison
Hillgrove (new to AAAAA)
Kennesaw Mountain
McEachern
North Cobb
Woodstock
Going down: East Paulding
Moved: Marietta, South Cobb (to 4-AAAAA)
Notes: Region 5 would love for the GHSA to let Hillgrove (promoted) replace East Paulding (demoted) and let that be that. But holes in regions 4 and 2 make this complicated. Southern Cobb County schools such as South Cobb, McEachern and Marietta are nervous that they will be moved to Region 4. Meanwhile, the Cherokee County schools (Cherokee, Etowah, Woodstock) might hope those Cobb schools remain in Region 5, freeing them up to play in a region with Forsyth County and North Fulton schools.
6-AAAAA (9)
Alpharetta
Centennial
Chattahoochee (playing up)
Lassiter
Milton
Northview
Roswell
Walton
Wheeler
Going down: Kell, Pope
Moved: Campbell (to 4-AAAAA)
Notes: Kell and Pope are now AAAA material, and they might be content to play in the smaller class because East Marietta neighbor Sprayberry already is there. But they also have strong rivalries with Walton and Lassiter in all sports and might choose to remain in AAAAA. Campbell, a Cobb school that’s the geographical odd ball in the current 6-AAAAA, could end up in Region 5 or even Region 4. Also pay attention to Chattahochee, a North Fulton team that was demoted to AAAA. The largest school not assigned to AAAAA, Chattahoochee has reason to play up and compete with most of the other North Fulton schools (Alpharetta, Centennial, Chattahoochee, Northview and Roswell).
7-AAAAA (9)
Collins Hill
Duluth
Mill Creek
Mountain View (new to AAAAA)
Norcross
North Forsyth
North Gwinnett
Peachtree Ridge
West Forsyth (new to AAAAA)
Going down: Chattahoochee, South Forsyth
Notes: This might be a simple trade of Chattahoochee and South Forsyth for Mountain View and West Forsyth. But if Region 8 loses a couple of southern Gwinnett teams, those most subject to moving from 7 to 8 are (in order) Norcross, Duluth, Peachtree Ridge, Collins Hill and Mountain View. Meanwhile, North Forsyth and West Forsyth would prefer to play with North Fulton and Cherokee schools, so there could be a shift in that direction. Current region member Chattahoochee was dropped to AAAA but could play up, but we’re putting the ‘Hooch in 6-AAAAA for now.
8-AAAAA (8)
Archer (playing up)
Berkmar
Brookwood
Central Gwinnett
Dacula
Grayson
Meadowcreek
Parkview
Moved: Shiloh, South Gwinnett (to 2-AAAAA)
Notes: Archer, which opened this year in Gwinnett County, is the second-largest school assigned to AAAAA and might opt to play in this Gwinnett-dominated region rather than AAAA. Gwinnett would love to have two regions of nine Gwinnett schools each. Lanier High will open as Gwinnett’s 18th school next year and would project to go in Region 7. But the trouble is the void in Region 2 with DeKalb and Newton county schools. See Region 2 notes for that explanation. South Gwinnett and Shiloh are anxious. Also keep an eye on Stephenson and Redan. If those DeKalb schools choose to leave AAAAA, then Region 8 could simply absorb M.L. King, Luella and Newton but at the expense of sending a few of its current members over to 7-AAAAA, setting off a domino effect that could open the door for a Forsyth-Cherokee-North Fulton region.
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273 comments Add your comment
Kane337
November 23rd, 2009
10:36 am
First!
Kane337
November 23rd, 2009
10:37 am
Go Northside Eagles! What region do you think the Houston County schools will play in AAAA?
Todd Holcomb
November 23rd, 2009
10:40 am
We’re going to look at AAAA on Tuesday. …
btw, I just got word that Stephenson will play up but that Redan probably won’t in AAAAA.
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
10:55 am
This is hideous. I thought the reason for this was to place teams in the correct classifications with them moving up by one classification if they chose to do so. Here you got Some AAA Savannah Schools playing up in Class AAAAA? This is ludicrous. Where will the strength of Schedule lie?
D#$%, S%$#, F%#$@. Is how mad I am.
THE CANNON RULES!!!
November 23rd, 2009
11:36 am
Here’s hoping East Paulding stays where they are…even with the smaller enrollment they have shown they can play, compete, AND WIN against AAAAA schools. With smaller drive times larger crowds show for both home and away games and this is good for both the kids as well as the schools gate & concession $$$$$.
GO CAMDEN!!!!!
November 23rd, 2009
11:44 am
Todd, why don’t the GHSA let Camden play football in Region 1 and remain in Region 3 for the remainder of the sports?
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
11:51 am
If Camden County leaves, the competition for Bradwell Institute will be gone unless Bradwell Institute schedule Camden County as a non region game with other outside region 3-AAAAA.
If Bradwell Institute plays all of those Savannah Schools, it will put Bradwell Institute in the same Position that Camden County is in, winning region title after region title after title after region title, with the exception that Bradwell would be one and done every single year once it plays its first post season playoff game. Bradwell Institute will definitely have strengthen their regular season schedule.
EagleNationRising
November 23rd, 2009
12:19 pm
First of all, I can not stress how the metro Atlanta propoganda machine is at work with this article. I bet you guys in metro Atlanta would love to have all of the strong South Georgia programs in one region. Forget about it. Regions are created with more than football in mind.
Let’s do the math? Are you kidding me? Why would the GHSA, place a 121 mile road game within Region 1-AAAAA when the region is just fine without Camden County. You guys at the metro Atlanta propoganda machine, aka the Atlanta Journal-Constitution, aka GHSF only factor in one school in your proposed Region 1-AAAAA. That is Camden County.
Why don’t you guys do the cumulative math for the miles that you created for the other schools in the region. Why do Valdosta, Lowndes County, Coffee, Tift County, and Colquitt County benefit by adding an institution that is 121 miles away. Yes, the distance is about the same for Camden County. However, you have now added a 121 mile road trip for 5 difference high schools in a number of different sports.
You guys should simply scan the copy of the checks that these mediocre Atlanta area coaches send you. That is the dumbest proposal that I have ever heard.
Camden County is going to play in Region 3-AAAAA with the Savannah area schools. The schools in Savannah are not good in football in the AAAAA classification because football is a numbers game and they do not have the student body to draw from. However, every winter, you would be challenged to find 5-10 programs better than the Savannah area schools in basketball.
Todd Holcomb, AJC High School staff, GHSF, you guys shameless promotion of Atlanta area football is pathetic. Camden County to Region 1-AAAAA. You guys could only dream this. I am still waiting for an explanation about how ever second round game rotated from last season’s GHSA AAAAA playoff bracket with the exception of the top team from Region 3-AAAAA (Camden County) playing the second place team from Region 1-AAAAA (Lowndes County this season and Northside last season). What a sham!
EagleNationRising
November 23rd, 2009
12:46 pm
Todd Holcomb, Atlanta Journal-Constitution, and GHSF staff please do us all a favor. For one week take off your metro Atlanta high school skirts off, drop the Atlanta area pom-poms and do some honest reporting about high school football in Georgia. You guys should be ashamed suggesting that the Savannah area schools play in AAAAA yet you send Camden County to Region 1-AAAAA. Who does that help?
Before some math challenged metro Atlanta loving poster comes to the rescue of this guy, let’s do this math. A region includes a number of high school that participate in sports and high school activities like One Act, Forensics (Debate), music, chorus, etc.
Camden County plays seven road games, according to Todd Holcomb. This highlights what lengths this sad staff will go to promote metro Atlanta football. This season Camden County played ONE region road game. ONE. In 2008, Camden County played three total regular season road games and TWO region road games. In 2007, Camden County played TWO region road games. In 2006, the Wildcats played TWO region road games. In 2005, Camden hit the road in the region FIVE road games. In the past five seasons, Camden County’s football team has played 12 region road games. IN 5 YEARS!!!
Come on Todd Holcomb!!! Come on AJC! Does anyone edit this work or do you guys just print whatever you want. Camden County has played 7 Region 3-AAAAA games in the past 4 years. Give us all a break!
So we are going to take a program that generally travels 225-350 miles per season in region play and we are going to place that program in another region where they have to travel an average of 121 miles per road game. We are also going to place Region 1-AAAAA in a situatio where all of the schools have reasonable road trips. We are going to say to heck with those programs. You live in South Georgia. Therefore, you can hit the road and travel across the entire state. That is fair, Todd.
You guys are flat out shameless. Why don’t you guys rename the GHSF Daily into the “Peachtree Ridge Today” or the “Lassiter Observer” or try the “North Gwinnett Gazette.” Therefore, we can all respect you as the metro Atlanta propoganda machine that you are.
7 Road games for Camden County, Todd??? Camden County has only played 7 region road games in four seasons. Monday morning should bring a higer quality level in your work Todd.
SWD Panther Paw
November 23rd, 2009
1:41 pm
EagleNationRising
You aren’t making any sense. Why would you want to subject kid’s in Savannah to play against a school they don’t have any chance of beating…..ever. Look at the record’s……Camden’s average victory against the Savannah school’s is about 50-6 and their record against Bradwell the only decent football program in that region is equally lopsided. Bradwell hasn’t beaten Camden since 1998 and none of those games were close. It’s humilating and doesn’t seem decent or fair to those kid’s at all. The Atlanta Metro school’s has the burden of having so many school’s in one area it dilutes the teams…… Camden and the other South Georgia 5-A school’s have the burden of traveling farther for their games. Who said life was fair!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jarmal
November 23rd, 2009
1:48 pm
swd panther paw your right, savannah high and all the savannah teams cant compete in a aaaaa or aaaa for football
Jarmal
November 23rd, 2009
1:52 pm
savannah public schools just dont have it in football,
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
1:55 pm
SWD Panther Paw,
you are right. I have been quiet on this subject. But I will say this now. Bradwell Institute current Head Coach need to step down. He has been there for at least fifteen years and turn the program to mediocrity. He can’t seem to relate to the players and get him to respond. Prior to him Bradwell Institute season was much better than that the way it is now. Since this is the year for Coaches with a honest conscious to step aside ,and allow a new Coach to take their team by the reigns for a better program, Bradwell Institute coach should do the same. By o means am I asking this coach to just quit because at this day and time everyone need work. But what I will say is that he is a licensed teacher. Go to the classroom and give up coaching at Bradwell Institute. The program will be better off.
VoiceOfReason
November 23rd, 2009
1:56 pm
Dang ENR! Man, you really laid it out for us today….I’m laughin’, but i can’t argue with anything that you’ve posted today….however i have always liked Todd for one reason or another. At some point people need to get over the idea that Camden County and its fans are somehow afraid of region 1 and its teams. Camden’s talent should no longer be in question by any region in the state. Hell, they’ve beaten a Great Lowndes program 4 out of the last 6 meetings. They swapped helmet paint with a very talented Northside Eagle squad and survived a hard fought battle. THERE IS MORE TO HIGH SCHOOL ATHLETICS AND EXTRA-CURRICULAR ACTIVITIES THAN JUST FOOTBALL! Imagine their girls’ basketball team traveling on Tuesday evening.It is a THREE hour bus ride to Colquitt for these kids to play a TWO hour contest, and then THREE hours back Camden High School. THATS 8hrs! I say back to the high school because even then they are still not “HOME”! Even Camden haters have to have a heart for these “CHILDREN” (some just 14 yrs. old!). Now imagine following that up with important region tilt against powerhouse Lowndes two or three days later. Seriously people, Camden isn’t awarded a state title by winning it’s region. Every year they go through the playoffs and potentially play the best that every region has to offer. And apparently playing a region 1 foe (deepest region in state)in the second round is sort of a built in clause. Like the BCS and Nortre Dame i assume. Please people, let it go.
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
1:56 pm
Sorry about the typos….
Viking Slayer
November 23rd, 2009
2:02 pm
Seen on the 2009 SAT exams given to Georgia students in the analogies section.
The Atlanta Journal Constitution sports staff is to metro-Atlanta high schools as:
a. a prostitute is to a pimp,
b. a prostitute is to a Louisiana politician, (OK, that’s the same as “a.”),/i>
c. a carnival employee is to dental hygene,
d. an ulcerous sore is to getting a date,
e. ENR is to Northside, Warner Robins football.
Choose one.
VoiceOfReason
November 23rd, 2009
2:04 pm
SWD Panther,Jarmal………The Savannah programs are not forced to do anything. They see Camden as the flagship for their region and are fine with the revenue it brings. They make more money traveling to Camden than they do for a home game. The economy is tough everywhere and Savannah is no different. These schools are going to play 5A regardless of where Camden is placed. So their chances of winning a title or advancing through the playoffs are not changed by Camden’s presence. If anything it gives them a once a year glimpse at true 5A competition before the playoffs arrive. Which they will every year for the four best teams in that region, regardless of their record or talent.
Paul Cook
November 23rd, 2009
2:08 pm
My comment to SportsFan31313 is that Bradwell needs to worry about its own problems. Two Savannah schools, Jenkins and Windsor Forest, beat Bradwell this year. None of the 3AAAAA schools outside of Camden can compete at that level in football, however, 3AAAAA is one of the best basketball regions in the state and is what Savannah is known for.
SWD Panther Paw
November 23rd, 2009
2:12 pm
VoiceOfReason
Once again I keep hearing about the poor Camden kid’s……..but no ever talk’s about the poor Savannah kid’s. What are we to do keep the status quo and keep allowing Camden to pound on these smaller school’s. Savannah is 100 miles from St. Mary’s so there’s alway’s going to be a travel issue for Camden. So the advantage should alway’s favor Camden?????
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
2:12 pm
Paul Cook,
Duly Noted….. Look at my comment to South West Panther Paw.
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
2:20 pm
Paul Cook,
Nevertheless,
The the two Schools you mentioned, Windsor Forest and Jenkins have beaten Bradwell Institute how many times in football in it’s school history? Answer that question. When they did win this year, everyone including the coaches called it a stunning victory. But a win is a win and yes we are dealing with that. As far as Bradwell Institute deal with our problems, we are and we will but the savannah Schools has had their share of problems for many years, and its still not being addressed. Read the comment of Windsor Forest Coach who has also resigned this year along with other coaches.
WF Doug
November 23rd, 2009
2:22 pm
I graduated from Windsor Forest in 1988. At that time, we had 1500 students playing in AAAA. The projected enrollment for next year is 1300 and that now makes us a AAA school. And yet we are going to play in AAAAA?? This makes less than no sense.
In my opinion, the problem with Savannah’s competitiveness on the state level in football is due more than anything to the NUMBER of high schools. Savannah has about 125,000 residents. In that city, there are SEVEN public high schools plus at least 6 quality private high schools. Simply put, if Savannah wants to compete in AAAAA, they need to consolidate down to 3 or 4 high schools. If this is done, then each school would potentially have the depth and quality needed to compete on a yearly basis for state honors.
If they will not consolidate, I would like to see the Savannah schools form their own AAA region, as they all are in that category enrollment-wise. If Camden wants to play with them, they can split into 2 AAA schools (based on their projected enrollment). That would create a 9 team region. Benedictine could play up from AA to be a 10th team (or 8th if Camden wants to stay in AAAAA).
I have to wonder what the reasoning is behind the Chatham County school board playing up TWO classifications. It has cost my alma mater a coach who has taken us to 40% of our total playoff appearances in school history (4 out of 10 in 40 years).
Todd Holcomb
November 23rd, 2009
2:23 pm
THe GHSA is reporting that Benedictine has petitioned to play in AAAAA. Now that’s potentially eight Savannah-area schools in Region 3-AAAAA. Richmond Hill could make nine.
So will the GHSA have a 10-team Region 3-AAAAA w/ Camden or a 6-team Region 1-AAAAA w/ Camden. Which makes the most sense travel-wise?
It does not matter whether Camden goes to Savannah or Savannah comes to Camden in football. Somebody has to travel either way. I’m talking total miles, not Camden’s miles. If the goal is to limit the amount of time that school buses are on the road for all sports, then Camden will be placed in Region 1. Having said that, I am not predicting Camden will be in R1. I don’t know what the GHSA will do. I’m just saying that’s where I’d put Camden, knowing that principals and superintendents are more concerned about travel and time out of class than competitive balance.
SWD Panther Paw
November 23rd, 2009
2:23 pm
VoiceOfReason
Give me a break :>) You said the savannah school’s make more money travling to Camden????? are you telling me that Camden is paying those school’s some of thier revenue?????? I DON’T THINK SO…. not when you’re in the same region and required to play the team’s in your region. Try another justification………anyway it appears a mute point I hear the Savannah school’s plan on playing up again.
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
2:31 pm
WF Doug,
I agree with you. I made that same comment earlier this morning. It is ludicrous.
Todd Holcomb
November 23rd, 2009
2:34 pm
WF Doug: Jenkins and Bradwell Institute are AAAA, not AAA. The Savannah schools are not going to play AAA and abandon Jenkins. If the Savannah schools chose to play in AAAA, they would have to take in Brunswick and Glynn Academy. Class AAAAA is the place that gives them the least travel, especially if Camden winds up in 1-AAAAA.
”Todd, why don’t the GHSA let Camden play football in Region 1 and remain in Region 3 for the remainder of the sports?”
The main goal is limiting travel. You can’t form regions based on competitive balance because that’s too subjective and opens a can of worms that complicates a process that already is pretty complex.
Todd Holcomb
November 23rd, 2009
2:41 pm
SWD Panther: VOR is right. Camden pays Savannah schools to give up their home games and travel to Camden for football. This is legal in the GHSA. Camden played only one road game in the region this year. That’s not giving up revenue because if Camden traveled to Savannah, nobody would attend the game and no money would be made. If the game is played at Camden, it’s a sellout. So the Savannah schools and Camden agree to play the game where it will attract by far the largest crowd, and that way, both schools can make money.
However, the fact that Camden does not travel to Savannah very often in football is irrelevant to the issue of classification because that 110-mile trip must still be made, whether it’s Savannah or Camden making the drive.
Raider Fan
November 23rd, 2009
2:42 pm
Just curious, but why call moving a AAAAA team to AAAA a demotion? That makes it sound like some sort of punishment for having lower enrollment in a school due to losing students to a newly opened school.
Jefferson
November 23rd, 2009
2:47 pm
Camdem will be riding — home after losing Friday.
Paul Cook
November 23rd, 2009
2:48 pm
There are a lot of reasons why Savannah city high schools don’t compete well at the AAAAA level and some of those reasons would prevent them from competing at AAAA or AAA level as well. Coaching pay, facilities, budget support, weak middle school programs etc. are all things that have prevented the Savannah public schools from being competitive. Savannah will not consolidate any of its high schools because that will create some issues on the non athletic side so thats a moot point and all 6 schools will compete in the same region because that is a central office decision.
grayram
November 23rd, 2009
2:49 pm
ENR
Do the Savannah schools not request to play AAAAA because they want to compete there in basketball? The article didn’t say the author was suggesting they play up, it said someone in Savannah told them they might play up. Camden is a great team and will be a great team in whatever region they play, I doubt the teams up here spend much time thinking about it. The sports writers all season have said they thought Lowndes was the best in the state and you say they are N GA cheerleaders. You took your pills out of the wrong bottle this morning.
Are you the guy who keeps insisting the moon landing never happened??
grayram
November 23rd, 2009
2:51 pm
Are we really comparing Bradwell to Camden?????
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
2:55 pm
Todd Holcomb,
Well you have in close proximity to Savannah Schools in Class AAAA:
Bradwell Institute
Jenkins
Richmond Hill
South Effingham
Effingham County
Then you have Schools that is approximately 45 to an hour minutes away from Savannah
Brunswick
Glynn Academy
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
2:56 pm
grayram
No you are reading into this wrong.
Answerguy
November 23rd, 2009
2:56 pm
If principals/school systems were really wanting to create the least amount of out of class time and travel time on a bus they should cancel all high school sports. The kids then could be split up geographically in county and play rec/aau. This would take the burden off of the schools, free up millions of $, and then the participant would fund everything.
SWD Panther Paw
November 23rd, 2009
2:57 pm
Thanks, Todd I appreciate the clarification…..didn’t know that. I stand corrected. Then the issue is with the fool’s in the Central Office in Savannah Public school’s. All you people in Savannah should be up in arm’s about what is occurring in your city. Do you people not care???????
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
2:58 pm
grayram,
Camden County is great in football but not as good in basketball. I believe that the Savannah Schools beat them (Camden County) in Basketball regularly
grayram
November 23rd, 2009
3:01 pm
In his post above Todd Holcombe said”Class AAAAA is the place that gives them the least travel, especially if Camden winds up in 1-AAAAA”
I was guessing it was due to Basketball they wanted to play up. Thanks for the info Todd
grayram
November 23rd, 2009
3:02 pm
thanks Sportsfan
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
3:04 pm
To have Class AAA and AA schools to play up in Class AAAAA would be ludicrous. Bradwell Institute would stand a chance playing up because their enrollment is very close to being a true Class AAAAA School. Currently, Bradwell Institute lacks about 52 students from being a true Class AAAAA School. (1900 students) The onkly factor I see is that there would be no one for Bradwell Institute to play against as a true Class AAAAA School but Camden County.
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
3:07 pm
grayram,
You’re welcome. Anytime….
WF Doug
November 23rd, 2009
3:07 pm
Todd,
Moving up ONE classification to keep Jenkins makes more sense than moving TWO to keep Camden.
In 1988 (senior year), Region 3-AAAA was 12 teams split into 2 subregions:
Savannah schools-
WF, Jenkins, Tompkins (now a middle school), Groves, Savannah, Beach, Johnson, Benedictine
Area schools-
Bradwell,Brunswick, Glynn Academy, Effingham County, Wayne County (Jesup)
Prior to that, swap out Wayne County for Coffee County (Douglas).
As far as I’m concerned, Camden can schlep themselves to Valdosta, etc. Savannah schools have no business playing a school twice their enrollment.
grayram
November 23rd, 2009
3:09 pm
ENR unmasked……Bart Sibrel!!
Facts
November 23rd, 2009
3:11 pm
As of right now, Benedictine is the only school opting to play up in AAAAA and they are making the move from AA. The deadline is tomorrow 11/24/2009 and who knows what could happen in 24 hours.
If you want to know what the GHSA will do about the regions, here is what you do: Step 1. Make a list of what is logically the most reasonable solution for each region based on geography. Step 2. Sit back and wait. Step 3. Look at GHSA’s list and make the statement “Why in the hell would they do that? It is the complete opposite of any logic and reason.”
That is how GHSA makes decisions: good old redneck justification (taking the logical choice and doing the opposite).
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
3:16 pm
Todd Holcomb,
Benedictine playing up in Class AAAAA? Come one now. Benedictine is a Class AA School with 630 Students. What in the H$@%?
grayram
November 23rd, 2009
3:20 pm
SportsFan31313
In the GHSA are these “request to play up” or is it up to the school?
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
3:22 pm
grayram ,
Request to Play up.
SWD Panther Paw
November 23rd, 2009
3:25 pm
SportsFan31313
FYI – Marist has 700 student’s and is Class AA but chooses to play up to Class AAAA have so for years. So there is precedent for this…….of course having lot’s of money to get good recruits off set’s the disadvantage of enrollment.
Todd Holcomb
November 23rd, 2009
3:26 pm
I don’t think Benedictine would apply for AAAAA unless it knew that the Savannah public schools were coming, too.
WF Doug: I’m not debating what Savannah schools ought to do. I trust your view on that since you’ve experienced it first hand. I’m just explaining their rationale, not defending it. Their goal is to limit travel. If they play AAAAA, they’re together except for Camden, and it’s possible they can shed Camden. In AAAA, you’re adding Glynn & Brunswick and the Effingham schools to complicate thingz. In AAA, they are abandoning Jenkins, which they won’t do. So in their minds, AAAAA makes the most sense. I’d like to see them in a class where they can be more competitive, but I’m not an educator.
Paul Cook
November 23rd, 2009
3:27 pm
To SWD, Do we care? Yes, of course we do but probably not as much as trying to get our schools at least meeting the state average in critical testing and graduation measurements. I’m a local graduate (WFHS 72) so I have seen it all over the last 30+ years. We are an urban school system with all the problems that urban school systems have. Its no accident that Savannah has the highest percentage private school enrollment of any county in the state
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
3:28 pm
Paul Cook,
I understand…..
Facts
November 23rd, 2009
3:28 pm
Todd,
Do some research and look on ghsa.net and the list of teams playing up is being updated daily.
Once the forms has been filled out and turned it, there is no turning back. The form requires a signature from both the principal and the superintendent. If you are going after those two signatures, you are serious about playing up.
Benedictine is going AAAAA
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
3:31 pm
SWD Panther Paw
Those are private schools. However; I still fee the same way about it….
grayram
November 23rd, 2009
3:32 pm
Can schools also request to play in a lower class? Meadowcreek??
Paul Cook
November 23rd, 2009
3:35 pm
Benedictine’s enrollment is all boys so it is factored to get an equivalent enrollment. Benedictine competed with the Savannah schools for years and only changed regions a few years ago. They have had mediocre results at the lower level and have had to travel quite a bit more. the move back to AAAAA probably makes sense even if Camden stays in the region.
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
3:36 pm
grayram,
According to GHSA a School can not play down in Classification. They can only play up in Classification.
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
3:43 pm
Paul Cook,
I disagree. I don’t think that outside of Savannah, Benedictine will not stand a fighting chance to compete on the sports level if that was to occur.
Beautiful Monte
November 23rd, 2009
3:48 pm
Todd, here is something I don’t understand about the Savannah-area schools:
According to your projected regions, every school in 3-AAAAA will be “playing up”. If they want to keep all of the schools in the same region, why don’t they play in AAAA instead of AAAAA?
I realize that Camden County writes most of these schools a big check every year, but the check can’t be THAT big … can it?
SWD Panther Paw
November 23rd, 2009
3:49 pm
it’s official SportsFan31313…….. Bradwell has requested to play up. Just posted on the GHSA website
Paul Cook
November 23rd, 2009
3:58 pm
Benedictine dropped down to AAA in 2004 and then to AA and the best record they have had since then is 6-5. Not much will change if they go to AAAAA and play the Savannah schools. BC played in 2AA this year and I am sure that the travel cost was excessive.
Suwanee 0wnz
November 23rd, 2009
4:07 pm
GHSA will allow a different region alignment for football versus the other sports.
So ultimately, I believe it is up to Camden and the schools around them to decide what they want to do about it. It would be possible for Camden to play in 1AAAAA for football, but 3AAAAA for the other sports.
Despite his humrous harangue, it is not up to ENR. It is not even up to the Houston County schools who will not be playing in 1AAAAA and it certainly is not up to the AJC.
Move along folks. These are not the droids you are seeking. There is nothing to see here. Camden can determine for themselves, without our help, what is in their own best interest.
Personally, I would love to see a short region schedule in South GA so that a few of those schools can cross the border and go kick the rears of some of those over-rated Floriduh schools. Unless some real teams go beat them, those Floriduh schools will continue to be over-rated in national polls.
Alabama is willing to let their best compete with strong Georgia teams. I guess Floriduh suspects how that would work out for them.
Bryan
November 23rd, 2009
4:11 pm
Sportsfan,
I think you’re trying to say that BC would be unsuccessful outside of the region (despite your double negative). This year, BC couldn’t make the playoffs in AA. They likely would have made the playoffs in AAAAA. A move up to AAAAA, makes BC more competitive in every sport within their region, except for basketball. It’s really a no brainer: move up to AAAAA and they travel less, play traditional rivals, get more SAV press, and have a better record in every sport. BC has made the occasional run in the football playoffs and wins a state championship in AAAAA every now and again in some sport.
Ultimately, the more important point to focus on is that the SAV public school system is so inept, that they play in AAAAA even thought they don’t have a SINGLE SCHOOl that is classified by enrollment for AAAAA and only one school classified for AAAA.
Brian
November 23rd, 2009
4:20 pm
Todd:
You have completely forgotten about the Effingham Schools one of which (ECHS) is very close to AAAAA enrollment, both will probably play up.
Paul Cook
November 23rd, 2009
4:25 pm
This is a question to Todd or to anyone who knows better than I how GHSA
operates. If all 6 Savannah schools elected to play at AAAA that would mean that region 3AAAAA would disappear and there would only be 7 AAAAA regions. According to the tentative reclassification list onl 52 schools were listed as natural AAAAA so the GHSA must be counting on certain schools to play up. What would happen if Savannah chose not to go along with that?
DaveDawg96
November 23rd, 2009
4:28 pm
I present the logical, EVERYBODY WINS solution to AAAAA reclassification:
1AAAAA (7)
Coffee
Colquitt County
Lowndes
Tift County
Valdosta
*Hardaway
*Northside, Columbus
2AAAAA (9)
Luella
M.L. King
Newton
Redan
Stephenson
East Coweta
Langston Hughes
Newnan
Westlake
3AAAAA (9)
Beach
Bradwell Institute
Groves
Jenkins
Johnson, Savannah
Savannah
Windsor Forest
Benedictine
Camden County
4AAAAA (8)
Pebblebrook
South Cobb
Harrison
Hillgrove
Kennesaw Mountain
McEachern
North Cobb
Campbell or Marietta
5AAAAA (8)
Cherokee
Etowah
Woodstock
Lassiter
Walton
Wheeler
**Pope
Campbell or Marietta
6AAAAA (8)
Alpharetta
Centennial
Chattahoochee
Milton
Northview
Roswell
North Forsyth
West Forsyth
7AAAAA (8)
Collins Hill
Duluth
Mill Creek
Mountain View
Norcross
North Gwinnett
Peachtree Ridge
***Lanier
8AAAAA (8)
Berkmar
Brookwood
Central Gwinnett
Dacula
Grayson
Meadowcreek
Parkview
Shiloh
South Gwinnett
Notes:
* Hardaway and *Northside, Columbus are overlooked in the GHSF Daily predictions.
** Pope is located right in between Lassiter and Walton and will play up. Kell will not.
*** Lanier opens in 2011.
WF Doug
November 23rd, 2009
4:29 pm
Me too Todd, but this is the Chatham County school board we are talking about. They do very little that makes sense.
The best solution for Chatham County is to play in AAAA and add BC back into the mix as school #8. You would eliminate ALL out of town travel for the entire region. If that is the main criteria for their classification decisions, this would be a no-brainer.
WF Doug
November 23rd, 2009
4:32 pm
DaveDawg, in your realignment, 3AAAAA is a loser except for Camden County. None of those schools can compete with a school twice or more its size.
DaveDawg96
November 23rd, 2009
4:32 pm
I present the logical, EVERYBODY WINS solution to AAAAA reclassification:
1AAAAA (7)
Coffee
Colquitt County
Lowndes
Tift County
Valdosta
*Hardaway
*Northside, Columbus
2AAAAA (9)
Luella
M.L. King
Newton
Redan
Stephenson
East Coweta
Langston Hughes
Newnan
Westlake
3AAAAA (9)
Beach
Bradwell Institute
Groves
Jenkins
Johnson, Savannah
Savannah
Windsor Forest
Benedictine
Camden County
4AAAAA (8)
Pebblebrook
South Cobb
Harrison
Hillgrove
Kennesaw Mountain
McEachern
North Cobb
Campbell or Marietta
5AAAAA (8)
Cherokee
Etowah
Woodstock
Lassiter
Walton
Wheeler
**Pope
Campbell or Marietta
6AAAAA (8)
Alpharetta
Centennial
Chattahoochee
Milton
Northview
Roswell
North Forsyth
West Forsyth
7AAAAA (8)
Collins Hill
Duluth
Mill Creek
Mountain View
Norcross
North Gwinnett
Peachtree Ridge
***Lanier
8AAAAA (9)
Berkmar
Brookwood
Central Gwinnett
Dacula
Grayson
Meadowcreek
Parkview
Shiloh
South Gwinnett
Notes:
* Hardaway and *Northside, Columbus are overlooked in Todd’s predictions.
** Pope is located right in between Lassiter and Walton and will play up. Kell will not.
*** Lanier opens in 2011.
grayram
November 23rd, 2009
4:35 pm
DaveDawg96
what about Archer?
NHS
November 23rd, 2009
4:37 pm
We could just redraw the state line slightly and put Camden in Florida or Camden could just build 3 more high schools and play against each other in their own region or if Georgia Southern would just hire Herron, Camden will sink into the ocean.
DaveDawg96
November 23rd, 2009
4:44 pm
Sorry for the Archer oversight. I think they’d go to 8AAAAA, but this tips the balance and pushes a school (the most northwestern of the bunch) over to 7AAAAA.
NHS
November 23rd, 2009
4:45 pm
Just like the government, they build a submmarine base in a remote corner of Georgia and it causes unexpected problems, for football no less.
StateBird
November 23rd, 2009
4:47 pm
Todd,
What is the natural class for the new Johns Creek High School in North Fulton that will start competing in football next year? That could also influence which direction Chattahochee takes given that they are only 2 miles apart.
RE: Marist – the money doesn’t go to attract recruits but it does go to attract superior coaching.
spwhite
November 23rd, 2009
4:50 pm
As a Camden fan, I can tell you that the most exciting games and the games that had the biggest crowds were the games that Camden had scheduled against First Coast, Hoover, Newton, and Lowndes. And also the biggest crowds we take on the road are to the Dome, Hoover, playoffs. Why, because when Camden plays quality teams, everyone shows up. Not many will drive 100+ miles when we know there is going to be a 50 point spread.
All that being said its just a tough sitiuation for all involved. Is it fair to the students at the Savannah schools to get beat so badly in football? Or do they get their revenge in the other sports? We all hear how unfair it is for Camden in football, but how about the other sports? Is Camden dominating those as well. You would think from reading these posts that due to Camden’s huge inrollment that they should just dominate all sports, but we know that is just not the case.
By the way, Camden had a student regonized befor the game for scoring a perfect 2400 on the SAT. Yall reckon it was because we are in such a weak region?? LOL
Todd Holcomb
November 23rd, 2009
4:52 pm
“Do some research and look on ghsa.net and the list of teams playing up is being updated daily. … Benedictine is going AAAAA”"
You misunderstood the context of my post. I understand that Benedictine has applied for AAAAA (as I posted at 2:23). I was simply making the point that if Benedictine has thrown its hat in the AAAAA ring that the public schools in Savannah are sure to follow.
DaveDawg96: Be aware the the Columbus schools have been reassigned to AAAA.
Other answers … Georgia must have 8 classifications. If the Savannah schools don’t play up, then Camden would go in 1-AAAAA and you’d have seven metro Atlanta regions.
I can’t find the post now, but somebody asked why the Savannah schools don’t just play AAAA. That’s been answered above. See another of my posts.
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
4:54 pm
SWD Panther Paw,
Well I knew that was going to happen.
Todd Holcomb
November 23rd, 2009
4:55 pm
Bradwell Institute now has applied for AAAAA, so it’s pretty clear where this is headed.
grayram
November 23rd, 2009
4:55 pm
spwhite
Did you go to the Camden playoff game against Grayson 2 years ago?
How many Grayson fans do you think made the trip?
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
4:58 pm
Bryan,
No, what I said was that Benedictine could not compete on this Class AAAAA Sports Level. Despite your negativity.
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
5:01 pm
Brain,
You are wrong again. Effingham County student enrollment does come close to a true Class AAAAA Classification.
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
5:05 pm
Todd Holcomb,
Well I guess that everything will remain the same in Region 3-AAAAA.
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
5:07 pm
Brian,
I made a typo. I was saying that you were wrong again. Effingham County student enrollment does not come close to being a True Class AAAAA School
Paul Cook
November 23rd, 2009
5:10 pm
Todd, maybe 7 metro AAAAA regions is the future anyway. South Georgia isn’t growing like the metro area and due to land and construction costs it seems that Atlanta metro leans toward building large schools on large plots of land. If this doesn’t happen during this reclassification cycle it will certainly take place during the next one.
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
5:11 pm
Schools Opting to “Play Up” (Updated 11/23/09 3:30pm)
To AAAAA
Benedictine (from AA)
Bradwell Institute (from AAAA)
To AAAA
North Clayton High School (from AAA)
To AAA
Dougherty High School (From AA)
Harlem High School (from AA)
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
5:18 pm
Savannah’s Benedictine Academy: From Class AA of 630 Students To play up in Class AAAAA of at least 1900 student enrollment.
Bradwell Institute: From Class AAAA of 1847.5 Students To play up in Class AAAAA of at least 1900 student enrollment.
spwhite
November 23rd, 2009
5:36 pm
grayram – It was pretty packed if I remember correctly. If I were to guess, somewhere between 2 and 3 thousand. There were quite a few Camden supporters sitting on that side to so it is hard to say. I have to admit Lowndes really brought a crowd with them. Very vocal and a bunch of them to. A lot of maroon on that side last fri night. Probably by far the most I can remember.
DaveDawg96
November 23rd, 2009
5:38 pm
Sorry for the old info on the Columbus schools.
Still, I say keep 1AAAAA at five teams and keep Camden and Bradwell in 3AAAA. 107 miles up I-95 is a lot faster than 121 miles across the back roads of south Georgia.
SportsFan31313
November 23rd, 2009
5:47 pm
DaveDawg96,
Do you mean region 3-AAAA or region 3-AAAAA?
Bryan
November 23rd, 2009
6:15 pm
Sportsfan –
I guess I’m going to have to ask you to explain what you mean by “Benedictine could not compete on this Class AAAAA Sports Level”. Are you saying that they can’t compete outside of their region? Like I said before, the ONLY negative to Benedictine Military School’s move to AAAAA is that once they reach the playoffs, they face schools that have substantially larger enrollments. They’ll trade established rivals, better overall region competitiveness, local press and less travel even if it means facing the goliaths in the playoffs. BC is still the last region team to beat Camden…
Beautiful Monte
November 23rd, 2009
6:52 pm
A point needs to be clarified:
The GHSA allows separate regions for football and other sports, but only in Class A. This is because there are a lot of small schools that do not field football teams.
Beautiful Monte
November 23rd, 2009
6:53 pm
To further clarify my previous post:
In Class A, there is one set of regions for football, and another set for regions for all other sports.
This is because a lot of small schools don’t have football programs.
city slicker
November 23rd, 2009
6:54 pm
THIS TO TODD HOLCOMB IT WOULD MAKE SINCE 4 SWD TO JOIN STEPHENSON AND MLK IN 5A THOSE ARE DEKALBS BIGEST RIVALS AND WOULD DRAW ALOT OF PEOPLE TO THE GAMES SWD HAS 1800 STUDENT STPHENSON HAS ABOUT THE SAME AMOUNT REDAN SHOULD BE IN 4A WITH LITHONIA AND MILLER GROVE WHICH ARE MORE LIKE THERE RIVALS AND WESTLAKE SHOULD B IN THE REGION WITH STEPHENSON INSTEAD OF NEWNAN MAKES SINCE DEMOGRAPHIC WISE ALONG WITH LOVEJOY
DaveDawg96
November 23rd, 2009
7:05 pm
Yep, 3AAAAA.
city slicker
November 23rd, 2009
7:11 pm
TO TOOD IF THE REGIONS ARE NUMBERED SOUTH TO NORTH 1 BEING SOUTH AND 8 BEING NORTH HOW IS THE STHEPHENSON RGION CALLED REGION 2 WHEN THE NEWN AND THE CAMDEN COUTY REGIONS ARE MORE SOUTHERN THEN STEPHENSON AND ITS REGION COUNTERPARTS JUST WONDERING THATS ALWAYS BEEN A QUESTION OF MIND
Guwinster
November 23rd, 2009
7:15 pm
This past year, Benedictine beat Windsor 7-6 and Savannah 31-6. So they will be competing for a football playoff spot year in and year out in 3AAAAA. Going by those stats, any one of the top 5 2AA teams (Charlton, Appling, McIntosh, Tattnall, Brantley and Benedictine) would have made the playoff in 3AAAAA this past year. 3AAAAA is way easier in football than 2AA. It probably won’t be any easier in all the other sports, but Benedictine will still compete at the top of the region in soccer, cross country, wrestling and baseball.
Todd Holcomb
November 23rd, 2009
7:39 pm
City Slicker: When the GHSA first went to 8 classes, the bottom four were middle/south Georgia, while the top four were North Georgia. Regions 2 and 4 (mainly Columbus, Augusta, Macon) are gone, so their spots were taken by metro Atlanta teams. Region 3 historically was Savannah, and it’s stayed that way. The GHSA doesn’t order them 1-8. That’s just the way it started. It’s evolved.
I’m sure SWD would like to be in Stephenson’s region, but SWD also wants to play in a class that gives it the best chance to win. That’s AAAA.
Beautiful Monte: Having different regions for football and the other sports proved to be a headache for the GHSA and the regions. That won’t happen for the next cycle.
”Still, I say keep 1AAAAA at five teams and keep Camden and Bradwell in 3AAAA. 107 miles up I-95 is a lot faster than 121 miles across the back roads of south Georgia.”
And that’s reasonable. But again, schools would be making the 121-mile trip a lot more than the 107-mile trip.
DaveDawg96
November 23rd, 2009
8:15 pm
Touché. Good point as well about the number of trips. In the end, the numbers game may dictate Camden to 1AAAAA.
For the first time in recent memory, the AAAAA breakdown has the potential to make a lot of sense in the metro area. I’m excited about the propect of a 2AAAAA south metro, 4AAAAA Cobb, 5AAAAA Cobb & Cherokee, 6AAAAA N. Fulton & Forsyth, 7AAAAA Gwinnett and 8AAAAA Gwinnett.
city slicker
November 23rd, 2009
8:16 pm
TO TOOD I THINK THE QUALIFICATIONS FOR 5 A SHOULD BE IF A SCHOOL HAS 1800 STUDENTS OR MORE AND IF IT HAS LESS THEN 2000 STUDENTS AND IT IS ISOLATED FROM IT NEIBHORS AND THEIR NEIBHORS ARE IN 4A THEN IT SHOULD BE ABLE TO PLAY DOWN IN 4A. IF A SCHOOL HAS IN BETWEEN 1400 AND 1800 STUDENTS IT SHOULD QUALIFY FOR 4A BUT IF IT IS ISOLATED AND HAS MORE THEN 1700 THEY SHOULD B ABLE TO PLAY IN 5A IF IT WAS ISOLATED IN HAD NEIBHORS IN 5A BUT IT HAD 1500 OR LESS AND HAD NEIBHORS IN 3A IT CAN PLAY DOWN IN 3A. IF A SCHOOL HAS IN BETWEEN 1000 AND 1400 STUDENTS IT SHOULD QUALIFY FOR 3A AND IF IT IS ISOLATED AND HAS NEIBHORS IN 4A AND HAS 1300 OR STUDENTS IT CAN PLAY UP IN 4A.2A SHOULD BE SCHOOLS WITH BETWEEN 500 AND 1000 STUDENTS. 1A SHOULB SCHOOOLS WITH LESS THAN 500 STUDENTS. TO ME A SCHOOL MAY BE ISOLATED DEMOGRAPHICALLY NOT ONLY GEOGRAPHICALLY. THE GHSA WONT ALOW SCHOOLS TOPLAY SDOWN I THINK A SCHOOL SHOULD BE ALOWED TO PLAY DOWN IF ITS ENROLL MENT IS ON THE BORDERLINE WATS THE DIFERENCE BETWEEN 1500 OAND 1100 0R 1700 OR 2000 NOT THAT MUCH BUT IT WILL BE A DIFERENCE IN THE TWIO SMALL SCHOOL CLASSES THATS Y I SAY DONT PLAY DOWN IN 2A AND 1A TOOD WAT U THINK I WILL PUT UP A LIST OF A 54 REGION LATER WIT MY PROJECTIONS IF IT WAS THIS WAY
Quinn of the Ridge
November 23rd, 2009
8:17 pm
To all those who criticize the AJC writers for bias towards Atlanta area teams. Duh it will be biased. Atlantans don’t complain to the newspapers in Warner Robins, Valdosta, or Moultrie if they show bias towards their teams and other south Georgia teams. If you don’t like bias, don’t read polls or columns and certainly don’t watch the news.
city slicker
November 23rd, 2009
8:22 pm
SWD VS STEPHENSON SWD VS MLK MLK VS STEPHENSO THATS WOULD BE A TOTAL OF 60000 FANS AT HALLFORD AT 20000 A GAME AND SWD COULD COMPETE IN 5A I THINK
Todd Holcomb
November 23rd, 2009
8:34 pm
The GHSA does have a new isolation rule. I’ll be curious to see if there’s a case where it will be applied.
sav'h dawg
November 23rd, 2009
8:46 pm
Benedictine has realized that AA and AAA football is much better than the AAAAA football played in the Savannah region. BC moved to those regions thinking that they could win and move on in the playoffs. They found out that over the last few years that AAAAA teams in Savannah area are much easier competition, so they are headed back to that region.
city slicker
November 23rd, 2009
9:46 pm
I WAS LOOKIN HOW CALIFORNIA DOES IT THEY DIVIDE IN SECTIONS NOT IN CLASSES WAT IF WE DID THAT….INSTEAD OF A, AA, AAA, AAAA, AND AAAAA WE HAD SOUTH GA, WEST GA, MIDDLE GA, NORTH GA, METRO ATL AND ALL SECTION HAD 4 OR 8 REGIONS AND EACH SECTION HAD A CHAMPION JUST THINK HOW WOULD IT BE IN SOUTH GA TCC, VOLDOSTA, THOMASVILLE, BROOKS COUNTY, BAINBRIDGE, CARIO, WOULD ALL BE IN 1 REGION ALL LESS THEN 30 MILES APART WOW. ALL THE APS AND SOUTH FULTON SCHOOLS WOULD B IN THE SAME REGION DEKALB ONE REGION SAME WITH GWINETT AND COBB IT WOULD CUT DOWN ON TRAVEL COST AND EVERY GAME WOULD BE A RIVAL AND INSTEAD OF THE NUMBERING THE REGIONS LET GIVE THEM NAMES LIKE IN COLLEGE IMAGINE IF THEE SEC WAS CONFERENCE 1 AND THE ACC WAS CONFERENCE 3 ETC. THE VOLDOSTA LOWNDES REGION CAN B CALLED THE COTTON BELT REGION THA SAVVANAH CAMDEN CO WOULD BE THE COASTAL CONFERNCE THE ATL DEKALB CAN B CALLED THE URBAN REGION JUST FOOD FOR THOUGHT AND EACH REGION SHOULD HAVE AN OFFICAL LOGO
city slicker
November 23rd, 2009
9:46 pm
O MY LAST POST WAS TO TODD
cchs_fan
November 23rd, 2009
10:01 pm
Here’s a region lineup that would be more competitive for camden and their all nearby schools.
It would also benefit region 1 by not having a quality football team not make the playoffs.
some schools would have to move up though.
camden 5a
coffee 5a
charleton 2a
ware co 4a
glynn 4a
brunswick 4a
we could leave charlton in 2a (so Buford won’t win the state every year), and put wayne co(4a) or just add them
wildcat fan
November 23rd, 2009
10:56 pm
Fact of it is those Savannah Schools care less about football, They play up to compete in Basketball, in region 1AAAAA and in Camden the school sport is football. Savannahs school sport is Basketball, In your schools sport would you not, want to play in the biggest classification. Say what what you want, about it not to many regions can win in FOOTBALL and BASKETBALL at a high level. Of course we have no state championships in basketball, but we do compete with them very well in Basketball, we have beaten them on more than one occassion.
M Corbitt ATL
November 23rd, 2009
11:46 pm
AA Benedictine to AAAAA? wow. Granted they did beat Windsor Forest and Savannah but they lost to the likes of Brantley Co, Mcintosh Co Acad., and Tattnall Co,…….. They’ll get flattened by Camden and in the playoffs.
It’s sad…..when the worst teams in 1-AAAAA can and do beat the best teams of 3-AAAAA that are not named Camden. You have to go back to 2003 to find a non-Camden region 3 team that beat a region 1 team and that was Wayne Co who is no longer in 3-AAAAA.
Was looking over the historians site. Bradwell Institute nor a Savannah school that currently makes up the nonCamden portion right now has beat one of the “”core”" 1-AAAAA teams since like 1984 or 1983. That was a lot of looking so I stuck with Brad. and current Sav schools and, when I say core region 1, I am talking about the teams that have been in Region 1 in the top classification constantly since the like 88-89. That would be Coffee, Colquitt, Lowndes, Tift, and Valdosta. Others have come and gone like Bainbridge, Ware, Americus-Sumter, Lee Co, HoCo, Northside, Warner Robins,
SGT CHRIS
November 24th, 2009
4:45 am
Actually Camden is a perfect fit for 1-AAAAA..all they have to do to cut travel, is get on I-10 west to 75 North, then they would be in the heart of 1-AAAAA country seeing how most of the schools branch off 75..just an observation
Sugar Hill Dawg
November 24th, 2009
8:53 am
I had no idea a topic such as this would draw so many posts! I taught in the Gwinnett County Public Schools for 34 years – coached several sports, so I’ve had a reson to stay abreast of the situation. My kids graduated from North Gwinnett – never have enjoyed having to make the ten mile drive to Chattahochee or Northview (usually takes one hour plus on a Friday) – I hope NGHS will be in an “All East Of The Chattahochee” region this time. (Feel kinda bad whining about the hassle of going to South Forsyth or North Forsyth, compared to the travel involved in regions 1 and 3.) Sounds like the solution to Camden County’s problem is to let them play Jacksonville area schools in the regular season (football only), then award them the # 1 seed in region 3 of the GHSA playoffs, since it sounds like their JV team would be the # 2 seed every year if they were allowed to play a region schedule! We’re looking forward to welcoming our Coastal Buddies to Suwanee Friday night! (Sure am glad they have to make that trip rather than the other way around!)
Jamie
November 24th, 2009
9:51 am
Todd, when looking at AAA regions, please remember that Woodward’s “service region,” as defined by the GHSA, is Fulton Co.; as well, 300+ parents have asked the school’s administration to support the GHSA, should it move Woodward to a metro Atlanta region. Those parents want to ensure the excessive travel required in the present 4-AAA — 90 miles to Rutland or 80 to Mary Persons, anyone? — isn’t repeated in a new region. That sort of travel may be required for a school that’s geographically isolated, like Camden Co., but anything over 15-20 miles is silly if your school sits inside the perimeter. (Not only is it silly, but it’s at odds with the first factor the GHSA uses to create regions.) Thanks.
Ryan
November 24th, 2009
10:36 am
South Gwinnett and Shiloh will NEVER leave region 8 and move to play Dekalb County schools. Talk about losing all tradition. Who exactly comes up with this garbage??
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
10:48 am
Bryan,
Benedictine in Region 3-AAAAA : Benedictine would beat the Savannah Schools but nothing outside of Savannah. That is what I am saying.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
10:57 am
M Corbitt ATL,
Great Job might I add. I cant see Benedictine being competitive outside of Savannah. But saying Benedictine jumping from Class AA to Class AAAAA with only 630 students in the whole school? Heck, when I was at Bradwell Institute, we had graduating classes close to Benedictine’s entire school enrollment. Benedictine could compete with the Windsor Forest, the Jenkins, J9ohnson, Beach, etc. But outside of Savannah, would be the exact same thing as a result of them playing in Class AA.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
11:02 am
I will tell you this: If Camden County moves to Region 1-AAAAA, then it will Bradwell Institute, and Bradwell Institute only that will assume the winning of Region Titles as Camden has done for this past 10 years. The last time Bradwell Institute had beaten Camden County was about 10 years ago. Since then, it was no one other than Camden County. With the competition being so easy, and the strength of schedule being so low, I’m afraid that Bradwell Institute will become complacent, and then be nothing more than a one and done team with Region Title after Region Titles From Region 3-AAAAA.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
11:09 am
M Corbitt ATL,
The last time Bradwell Institute had beaten a Region 1 team was 89 when Bradwell Institute beat a Nick Hyder’s Valdosta Wildcats Football Team.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
11:12 am
M Corbitt ATL,
In 1996 Bradwell Institute beat Warner Robins, but I don’t know whether or not Warner Robins was in Region 1 at the time.
Bryan
November 24th, 2009
11:15 am
Sportsfan – yea for the most BC has a lot of difficulty outside of 3-AAAAA, but has had state championships before and the occasional playoff football run. But as I’ve said, the tradeoff is worth it. Do you disagree? And I’m fairly certain BC had over a .500 record against Camden and Bradwell before they dropped down classifications.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
11:40 am
Bryan,
Maybe the trade off will be worth it for Benedictine, but it says nothing for Camden County and Bradwell Institute. Already they criticize Camden County for winning against teams that are very weak in football competition out of Savannah. Now we have Benedictine with a 630 student enrollment. If Camden County, and Bradwell Institute beat Benedictine (Of Course They Will) it mean nothing for both schools. Benedictine over the years has pretty much dominated the Savannah Schools but outside of Savannah, they are only average on occasion in winning outside of Savannah.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
11:44 am
M Corbitt ATL
That does not say much when the worst teams in 1-AAAAA can beat the best teams in 3-AAAAA. Region 1-AAAAA (called little SEC) is by far the toughest and the strongest region in the State. The worst team in Region 1-AAAAA can beat some of the best teams in any Region in the State.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
11:58 am
Sportsfan
Didn’t someone post earlier that Benedictine 630 students are all male?
How many Male students are at Bradwell?
Also isn’t Houston County in 1AAAAA ? Thet surely could not not beat the best team in any region or the 2nd best or 3rd best.
Neither could Cofee or Tift or Warner Robins.
1AAAAA has good teams at the top and weak teams also just like any other region.
Exception being 3AAAAA where other than 1 team no others would make the playoffs anywhere else.
Bryan
November 24th, 2009
12:09 pm
There are actually only 315 males at BC. You multiply by 2 to get 630. It may not mean anything of any consequence to Camden for BC to move back to 3-AAAAA, but it’s wrong to say it hurts Camden or Bradwell. How could it? BC will now be one of the top SAV football teams in that region and the last SAV team to beat Camden. Also, I can’t think of a single sport other than football that Camden or Bradwell will “dominate” BC in. As I said earlier, before the move out of AAAAA, BC regularly posted a winning record against both schools in numerous sports.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
12:32 pm
Paul Cook
November 23rd, 2009
3:35 pm
Benedictine’s enrollment is all boys so it is factored to get an equivalent enrollment. Benedictine competed with the Savannah schools for years and only changed regions a few years ago. They have had mediocre results at the lower level and have had to travel quite a bit more. the move back to AAAAA probably makes sense even if Camden stays in the region.
so are there only 315 in the whole school??
Jim
November 24th, 2009
12:38 pm
Only 315 males in the whole school. Used to be considered the best team hands down in SAV. Might not be the case anymore.
Old Cat
November 24th, 2009
12:40 pm
I can not beleive so many folks worried about what Region Camden plays in. Year in year out we beat most people we play, so who cares about what Region, it is not about competition it’s about travel for all sports except football. If we could not compete you think The AJC would be asking this question? It could be that the folks in Atlanta see the hand writting on the wall. Camden could win The AAAAA State Championship this year and if they do, you got to know with so many underclassmen playing it will be a while before any Metro teams take the crown. By the way the other sports and academic teams at Camden can compete with any school in Georgia, so put us in any Region, line em up and GO CATS GO !!!!
Marty
November 24th, 2009
12:43 pm
here’s what yall are missing. except for basketball, camden runs circles around every other competition in this region. why not give the other school’s a chance to compete for something other than second place?
Pat
November 24th, 2009
12:57 pm
Marty –
I can only speak for what BC did in the four years prior to dropping out of AAAAA, but during that time they had an overall winning record against Camden when looking at sports competition as whole. So you won’t be running circles around the competition any longer…
crash001
November 24th, 2009
12:59 pm
City Slicker – unless there has been some rezoning Stephenson has over 2,000 students and if SWD Deklab will opt to play up it would be great. Have anyone heard that Stephenson coach will be reassign?
Todd – Camden County travels to Hoover Alabama, SC and Atlanta every year not for sure what is the complaint about traveling 121 miles other than tougher competition. The other question is why would Northside even consider moving back to 4-A?
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:00 pm
grayram,
I was the person that posted it. What does all males has to do with it? You all are missing the point. All males or all females or males and females. 630 is 630. That is the point that I am trying to make.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:02 pm
grayram,
I stand by my statement: Region 1-AAAAA (called little SEC) is by far the toughest and the strongest region in the State. The worst team in Region 1-AAAAA can beat some of the best teams in any Region in the State.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:06 pm
Bryan States:
There are actually only 315 males at BC. You multiply by 2 to get 630. It may not mean anything of any consequence to Camden for BC to move back to 3-AAAAA, but it’s wrong to say it hurts Camden or Bradwell. How could it?
I explained it in my earlier comment.
“Already they criticize Camden County for winning against teams that are very weak in football competition out of Savannah. Now we have Benedictine with a 630 student enrollment. If Camden County, and Bradwell Institute beat Benedictine (Of Course They Will) it mean nothing for both schools. Benedictine over the years has pretty much dominated the Savannah Schools but outside of Savannah, they are only average on occasion in winning outside of Savannah.”
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:07 pm
Bryan States:
I can’t think of a single sport other than football that Camden or Bradwell will “dominate” BC in
Brayan,
Try Football For starters.
Bryan
November 24th, 2009
1:11 pm
Sportsfan. Your logic is irrefutable. Except that I said “other than football”.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:11 pm
Marty
That is not accurate. Camden County does not run circles in every other sport in this region.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:13 pm
Bryan,
I understand….
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:13 pm
Bryan,
Do you think that BC would beat the Savannah in Basketball? How about track?
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:15 pm
Bryan, How about outside the Region. Will BC beat the Schools hands down in other sports outside Of Savannah? ie Track, Basketball etc?
Bryan
November 24th, 2009
1:16 pm
Sportsfan – I see what you’re saying. CC is hurt by adding another team that can’t really compete outside of its region because people say, “CC plays in a region of teams that can’t compete at the state level”. I get it. I think it’s a stupid thing for people to say about CC. It doesn’t diminish how good CC is. They still take care of their business in the playoffs and we root for them. On a whole, BC will make the competitive nature of the region go up.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
1:18 pm
SportsFan31313
The point is if we are talking about high school football and comparing a school with 600 students to a Bradwell or similar school with 1800 its a different comaprison if 1/2 of the 1800 are girls.
As far as your other statement the first half ok 1AAAAA is a tough region, considered by many the toughest.
The second part i would still theres no way the worst teams in reg 1 which this season was Houston, Coffee, and Tift could beat any playoff team from another region with the exception of Bradwell, Windsor, and Jenkins from reg 3.
Which one of the “best teams” from reg 7 or 8 do you think would lose to Houston co?
Bryan
November 24th, 2009
1:19 pm
Sportsfan. BC, in general, will not be very competitive on the state playoffs in AAAAA. There are definitely exceptions. BC would rather be at AAAA, but it’s going to do what the SAV public schools do. All the SAV public schools could play AAAA, and all but one could play AAA. They don’t. Don’t ask me to explain why.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:23 pm
grayram,
I believe that a Tift County Football Team or a Coffee County team could beat a North Gwinette, or a South Gwinette. How about that for starters.
NHS#1
November 24th, 2009
1:24 pm
If the GHSA would put the Houston County schools in region 2 they would play up. No one want to make those long trips down to South Georgia aka the boonies.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:25 pm
Bryan,
I understand why, it has to do everything with travel expenditures. ie Fuel, Food, etc. I just don’t agree with such a high jump. With the student enrollment they have.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:27 pm
NHS#1
Thats not nice…. If it wasn’t for Robins Air Force Base which is responsible for a lot of growth and development, Warner would very well be the boonies too.
Bryan
November 24th, 2009
1:30 pm
From the numbers perspective it’s a shocking jump. But you have to understand, up until 2004, BC had spent their entire history in the highest GHSA classification. They won’t be out of their league in the region, in fact they’ll do quite well from an overall sports perspective. Shame on the SAV public school system for not moving ALL the schools down to AAAA and playing each other. Not really any travel issues there. SAV B-ball schools could do some amazing things in AAA or AAAA even.
Brian
November 24th, 2009
1:40 pm
First of all the old Savanah area AAAA region included Statesboro, Effingham and Brunswick. BC has always stayed with the Savannah schools and have competed well over the years. After the realignment a few years back the rural county schools dropped to AAA when 5(A) was created. Everyone is building new schools and enrollment is being cut. Efingham used to have one highschool now they have two. Savannah High’s enrollment used to be high as well. They built a new school, that cut enrollment drastically. Savannah football used to compete well in Region 3, it was not until 1996 that Camden placed the Region in a choke hold. For Basketball, Savannah sends just about every school to the playoffs and one usually finishes no worse than three in the state. Fact is football is down, for several reasons in the area. But I agree, you put Lowndes, Valdosta and Camden in the same region and you are sure to have an Metro-Atlanta area contender for the state crown every year. It’s bad enough you make a team from the southern region square off against each other before making it deep in the playoffs. Logical solution is to bring BC back to AAAAA leave Camden in Region 3 and nmove on. What happens when the Savannah schools begin to revive there football programs, realign again. The criteria for clasification is not smart, logically the metro teams with higher population will remain in AAAAA, while rural areas with one very large school will follow suite. What about the schools which can and should compete at the highest level? They shouldn’t be disqaulified due to enrollment. Camden has eough competition within the existing region and its non-region schedule. It is not about putting on a show. If the schools in the region can’t cut muster they should get better.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
1:44 pm
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:23 pm
grayram,
I believe that a Tift County Football Team or a Coffee County team could beat a North Gwinette, or a South Gwinette. How about that for starters.
The North Gwinnett or South Gwinnett team from what year? Surely not this year.
The North Gwinnett that is undefeated and just shut out a strong woodstock team and their former region 1 coach 24-0?
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:44 pm
Bryan,
I agree with you.
Savannah Schools will kick butt in any Classification.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
1:47 pm
Brian
You already have a metro atl contender for the state crown every year.
Since AAAAA was created in 2000 there has only been 1 year where a Gwinnett team wasn’t in the final.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:48 pm
grayram,
Well we will never know. They haven’t played each other this year. But if they had, I believe that they could have. But lets look at this year. Your North Gwinette will not beat South Georgia Camden County.
Brian
November 24th, 2009
1:49 pm
Who says enrollment and size equals wins?? This is the old argument from years gone by. Big Metro school comes to country and gets whipped. Size does not matter..I think the classification should be based upon competition. Can you compete at your current level? Not can you compete against the best team in the region. .If you know your school can’t compete with every other school in your region you should be in a lower classification. That is not the case in Savannah. Camden is just better than the other schools in Football..If you look at it the way you guys do, Camden shouldn’t be in AAAAA for basketball purposes. Savannah schoold dominate that sport.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:50 pm
Brian,
I hear you. Loud and Clear…
grayram
November 24th, 2009
1:52 pm
i agree with that Brian!
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:55 pm
Brain,
Well history tells, the higher the enrollment, the more talented players. The stand a better chance of winning. Lets see. If Camden County split into two High Schools example: Camden County High School, and lets say Kingsland High School, do you really believe that the winning tradition would remain?
Very seldom you will have that a Perinnial Power that will exist in the same Region. Look at Lowndes and Valdosta? There were never two that were Perinnial Powers at the same time.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
1:56 pm
SportsFan31313
I’ve been reading your post for a while now and they are always good.
As for Camden i think its going to be a great game.
I don’t think you really believe Houston, or Coffee or Tift could beat North Gwinett
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
1:58 pm
Brian,
Remember the Ware County Gators and the Waycross Bulldogs?
grayram
November 24th, 2009
2:00 pm
Brookwood and Parkview are about 10 minutes apart and in the same region. They were good at the same time.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
2:02 pm
grayram
I remember them being good. But at the same time? Now you have Grayson in there correct? What are their status now?
grayram
November 24th, 2009
2:02 pm
It will be fun to watch the next few seasons to see if Grayson is affected in that way. Grayson was split this year when Archer opened.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
2:09 pm
grayram States:
SportsFan31313
I’ve been reading your post for a while now and they are always good.
As for Camden i think its going to be a great game.
I don’t think you really believe Houston, or Coffee or Tift could beat North Gwinett
grayram,
I believe that they are good enough to do it. I think you under estimate those South Georgia Teams in Region 1-AAAAA. If you read the blogs, there are people that didn’t believe that Camden County should be ranked ahead of some of the Gwinette County Teams, and Metro Atlanta Teams. Remember? I defended Camden County because I know this team, and have seen them play year after year after year. I explained that the losses that Camden County acquired was at the hands of Nationally ranked Schools. ie Grayson, and Hoover Alabama. I also stated that Camden County is still very much a very good Football team. Now look where we are again. They will win State again. The Title will come back to South Georgia for the 2nd year in a row. The excuses that Camden County plays in a weak Region 3-AAAAA schedule is no longer an excuse because Camden County is beating all of the tough Teams.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
2:11 pm
Brookwood/Parkview for several years always battled it out for the region. I think they even played each other once in the state championship game with Parkview winning. They are close to each other and i believe alot of the kids play in rec leagues together before they get to high school.
Grayson is farther away out close to the Walton County line, but many of the Grayson players played in Brookwood rec leagues when they were younger.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
2:17 pm
SportsFan31313
You don’t have to convince me when it comes to Camden. I have been to both games Grayson played them and saw them on TV a couple of times. I have no problem with them being ranked and i beleive they would be great in any region. I don’t pay any more attention to those early season losses they had than i do to the peachtree ridge loss in week 2. Those losses don’t mean a thing now. However Houston, and the others at the bottom of the region are not Camden or Lowndes. I would argue that you underestimate the Gwinnett teams at least as much as i do the non playoff 1AAAAA teams.
Chris
November 24th, 2009
2:22 pm
OK – enough AAAAA debate. Bring on AAAA!
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
2:34 pm
Chris,
Forget AAAA. Go to the AAAA page. This page is for the big guys in AAAAA.
Jarmal
November 24th, 2009
2:35 pm
I played football in that region in 94 for Savh High. We had small enrollment but we competed. If Camden had 300 students, they would still dominate 3aaaaa football, they have a rich tradition. I have heard it all when it comes to consilidating the schools down there, but you will have a lot of kids on a very bad team. Trust me not to throw the kids up under the bus but the proof is in the pudding. Look at the GHSA historical data
http://www.ghsfha.org/rstandings.php?gTeamID=Savannah
none of those savannah schools have been very good
I dont feel the enrollment has a lot to do with the product put on the field only 11 can play at one time.
Savannah public schools just dont have it in football.
Paul Cook
November 24th, 2009
2:41 pm
Benedictine beat Camden County in 2000 which was Jeff Herron’s first year at Camden. That was the last that BC beat Camden and in 2004 BC changed regions. Even when BC had a sustained period of above average to excellent teams under Jim Walsh and Tom Bracket they generally were dominated in the first round of the playoffs. They did manage to get to the state semis in 1978 but were blanked by Valdosta. I went to that game and the difference between the two teams went far beyond just the play on the field. Valdosta had more of everything, players, coaches, etc. At the upper levels of 5A competition that is what you face in order to excel. At some point it does become a numbers game. Camden County has the numbers. I remember asking one of their coaches how many kids were in their football program and I was told 200+. Johnson High was lucky to dress out 40.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
2:41 pm
grayram,
Believe it or not. I like the Ridge. Peachtree Ridge. But they wont beat Northside Warner Robins though. Neither will North Gwinette beat Camden County. The only one you have left is Grayson. They will beat Newnan, and Colquitt County will beat Lassiter.
Chris
November 24th, 2009
2:44 pm
Nothing wrong with 5A, just ready to see how realignment could be drawn up in 4A, then 3, etc. I love it when schools are reclassified. It’s fun. I have lived in several corners of Georgia from Griffin to Statesboro to Suwanee to Warner Robins and my wife is from Valdosta. Every community has great passion for their teams. Let’s give the GHSA some credit. They have a difficult task on their hands and will not make everyone happy.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
2:44 pm
Jarmal
I am willing to bet that if those seven schools combined into one school. It will be a true class AAAAA and they will be a great football team if they have a good coach that could coach them.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
2:47 pm
Paul Cook ,
You are right and I agree with you. That is what I am trying to explain as to the sudden jump from Class AA to AAAAA. History tells that the higher the enrollment, the more talented players. The better chance of winning.
Quinn of the Ridge
November 24th, 2009
2:56 pm
SportsFan. Tift County played Roswell in a non-region game this year. Roswell is the #2 seed in region 6 (Not as strong as 7 or 8). The score, Roswell 42 Tift County 7.
Time4aNewCoach
November 24th, 2009
3:00 pm
Harrison couldn’t win a AAA region with Hypocrite Hines at the helm.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
3:00 pm
SportsFan31313
i will go with North Gwinnett,Lassiter, and Pridge all to win.
The one i’m most concerned with is Grayson. The Rams need to step up
a notch if they are going to compete with Newnan.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
3:09 pm
Quinn of the Ridge,
Ok I hear you.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
3:15 pm
grayram,
Not so fast my friend.
Lassiter will meet the toughest team this this season, and I am sure that they wont score the points that they have been scoring against those Metro Atlanta Teams. Colquitt County have a tremendous Defense. They will stop the pass and the run. Lassiter does not have a great defense. Tale Colquitt County. As much as I like the “Ridge”, Northside Warner Robins will be too much for the “Ridge”. Take NSWR. Camden County will run the table against North Gwinette, and I believe that Grayson will win this Friday against Newnan. And Sir, you can take that to the bank.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
3:17 pm
Time4aNewCoach States:
Harrison couldn’t win a AAA region with Hypocrite Hines at the helm.
Greetings Time4aNewCoach ,
I feel your pain. I truly do. But this pass is for the big boys of Class AAAAA. Take your frustration to the Class AAA page. They will address your comment there.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
3:36 pm
Central Gwinnett’s coach quit
Bryan
November 24th, 2009
3:45 pm
Paul Cook – Don’t forget their ‘96 run to the quarters, losing to Lowndes by 1 point. I think one good run every decade keeps everyone excited.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
3:50 pm
This kid at Lassiter is really putting on a show! What did he have like 500 + yards in 3 quarters. I know Colquitt has a good defense, but that was against mere mortals!!! Lassiter will find Colquitts offense less dangerous than last week against South. They won’t need all of their 70 points this week.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:07 pm
Bryan,
I don’t know about you, but if Bradwell Institute could make a run for it every year just like Lowndes , Camden, Northside Warner Robins etc. I could, and would be very excited……
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:08 pm
grayram
What in the Heck is going on with all of these coaches resigning or getting fired? That brings the count up to 21 for this year.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:10 pm
Any School that is scoring 50 to 60 plus points or more on a team, that team does not have a defense. Colquitt County does though.
DaveDawg96
November 24th, 2009
4:21 pm
When is the deadline to “play up?” I thought it was today at 4 p.m., but according to the GHSA website, only three schools have submitted the paperwork to play up to AAAAA as of 3:42 this afternoon. What about Valdosta, Chattahoochee, Pope and the remaining Savannah schools?
cchswildcat86
November 24th, 2009
4:26 pm
gray ram whats your take on grayson/newnan.. i say grayson 24 newnan 7
cchswildcat86
November 24th, 2009
4:27 pm
grayram
Bryan
November 24th, 2009
4:36 pm
Dave – I know as of yesterday, the petition to play up from the SAV schools was sitting on the superintendent’s desk. Richmond Hill just announced they’ll be moving up to AAAA today. No word on the Effinghams, Glynn, or Brunswick.
EagleNationRising
November 24th, 2009
4:40 pm
Why are schools playing up? I can say that without a shadow of a doubt that playing in AAAAA has been a much greater financial burden on Northside High School athletics than playing in a AAAA, which includes all Warner Robins area high schools and Westside-Macon. If Baldwin petitions to play up in AAAA along with the Warner Robins schools and Westside, it becomes a big financial bonus for the program.
The South Georgia schools, although steeped with great tradition, just do not travel. With the exception of the Lowndes County fans, no one came up to McConnell-Talbert. We get a much bigger push at the gate by playing annually the area schools, like Westside, Baldwin, and Peach County. It just don’t get it.
Why would a program play up, for the sake of playing up?
EagleNationRising
November 24th, 2009
4:41 pm
SWD Panther: Since you are such a fan of putting Camden County in Region 1-AAAAA because of the level of competition, would you also support putting bad programs with bad coaches like Stephenson, Southwest DeKalb, and others in the same region. That would make logical sense to me.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
4:41 pm
cchswildcat86
I don’t think Grayson will score 24 on Newnan. Grayson’s ideal games is driving the ball for 8-9 minutes and coming away with points while keeping the opponents defense on the field tiring and offense on the sidelines. Both teams have really good defense so i think it will be something like 10-7 or maybe 14-10. the winner will probably be whoever doesn’t fumble.
Facts
November 24th, 2009
4:42 pm
Chattahoochee is not going to play up. They are staying at AAAA. The numbers that are projected from their FTE count are high. Look for them to be around 1750-1780 enrollment next year and stay at AAAA.
EagleNationRising
November 24th, 2009
4:44 pm
Can anyone in Suwanee, Georgia tell me how “Silver Spoons Getting Ridded Out of Our Mouths Week” is going at Peachtree Ridge High School? I know that there must be a group of parents considering a private jet trip or an overnight stay for the starters in a local area hotel. I would be happy to provide suggestions.
I beg as many P-Ridge supporters to travel down to McConnell-Talbert Stadium. It is Thanksgiving weekend. Therefore, the Eagle Nation will be out in full force as these games become a mini-Homecoming. If you guys do not know what happens to Northside’s Homecoming opponents, simply follow your Lions this week.
It is Great to be a Northside Eagle!
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:46 pm
Todd Holcomb,
I saw this Region Alignment on GHSA: This is not up to date is it?
3-AAAAA (9)
Beach
Bradwell Institute
Camden County
Groves
Jenkins
Johnson, Savannah
Savannah
Savannah Arts Academy* New Private School with about 600 students
Windsor Forest
EagleNationRising
November 24th, 2009
4:46 pm
Forget about Grayson putting up 24 points against Newnan. You guys are going to give that program some respect sooner than later. It is funny the way that you guys dismiss Newnan. Those guys are serious.
EagleNationRising
November 24th, 2009
4:46 pm
Sportsfan: I told you. To suggest that Camden County move to Region 1-AAAAA is absolutely absurd!
grayram
November 24th, 2009
4:47 pm
Bart Sibrel..I mean ENR sorry
Aren’t most of the schools that are playing up doing just for that reason? So that their games are closer to home and draw more fans because of local rivalries.
DaveDawg96
November 24th, 2009
4:49 pm
To answer ENR and address Chattahoochee at the same time, for many schools playing up is the way to cut expenses and boost attendance. Chattahoochee is one of six north Fulton schools, and all of the others are AAAAA. If Chattahoochee plays down, they will have to travel to Hiram and Creekview and places like that. It makes sense to play your neighbors – one to cut down on travel time for students, two to cut expenses, three to maintain rivalries abd boost gate receipts.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:51 pm
DaveDawg96,
Hmmmmmm……………………….
grayram
November 24th, 2009
4:52 pm
Bart Sibrel
Can anyone in Houston county tell us how it feels to have two teams from the same region or 3 teams from the same county in the final 8?
i didn’t think so.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:52 pm
EagleNationRising,
I hear you..
Facts
November 24th, 2009
4:52 pm
DaveDawg96,
Hooch will not have to go to Hiram….. Creekview perhaps, but that is no farther than Mill Creek and Collins Hill. Hooch will more than likely be in a region with Johns Creek, South Forsyth, Lambert, Sequoyah, Creekview, Pope, Kell, and Forsyth Central. That is if they do not place Hooch in the same region 6AAAA with Tucker, SWD, Marist, etc.
Trust me, they are not going to play up.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:53 pm
grayram,
Why do you associate ENRwith the name Bart Sibrel? Just curious.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
4:55 pm
I have to agree with Bart about Newnan.
They are good and don’t get enough respect.
Facts
November 24th, 2009
4:55 pm
As of 342pm. Stephenson is going to play up in AAAAA
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:56 pm
EagleNationRising States:
Sportsfan: I told you. To suggest that Camden County move to Region 1-AAAAA is absolutely absurd!
Greetings ENR,
I understand that Todd Holcomb suggested that Camden County is 107 miles away from Savannah (or something in that area) and Lowndes are 121 miles away from Camden County. If this is accurate, we are talking a few cents on a dollar if that is the case.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
4:58 pm
Schools Opting to “Play Up” (Updated 11/24/09 3:42pm)
To AAAAA
Archer (from AAAA)
Benedictine (from AA)
Bradwell Institute (from AAAA)
Stephenson (from AAAA)
To AAAA
North Clayton High School (from AAA)
Jonesboro (from AAA)
Marist (from AA)
Wayne County (from AAA)
To AAA
Davidson Fine Arts (from A)
Dougherty High School (From AA)
Glenn Hills (from AA)
Harlem High School (from AA)
Henry County High School (from AA)
Johnson, Augusta (from A)
Josey (from AA)
Towers (from AA)
grayram
November 24th, 2009
4:59 pm
SportsFan31313
Bart is one of the guys who thinks everything is a conspiracy. He made some documentaries claiming the apollo spacecraft never landed on the moon and it was all a hoax.
ENR thinks everything is a conspiracy by north georgia media or north georgia football boards.
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
5:02 pm
grayram,
Oh Ok Gotcha….
DaveDawg96
November 24th, 2009
5:04 pm
Still, wouldn’t the Hooch kids rather play their north Fulton neighbors? They would be the odd school out, missing out on all the rivalries that surround them.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
5:16 pm
SportsFan31313
First let me say I admire Camden, Lowndes , and NSWR and don’t care at all what region they play in.
What i’m not clear on is why some think Metro Atl schools care or would benefit by Camden being in the same region as the other strong south ga teams. The top 4 go to the playoffs so they are still going to be there. So lets say you win region 4 lets say you are Newnan. By winning that region you are at home and host the 1st round game, this year it was with Valdosta and Newnan won by 19 points. If Camden were in 1AAAAA then Newnan would have been “REWARDED” for winning their region by hosting Colquitt in the 1st round. How does that benefit North Ga teams? It would also guarantee the top two south ga teams not have to play each other until the finals would it not?
SportsFan31313
November 24th, 2009
5:18 pm
No sure Grayram….
cchswildcat86
November 24th, 2009
5:57 pm
why does Stephenson get bashed on these blogs every yr??
spwhite
November 24th, 2009
5:58 pm
Paul Cook – Benedictine beat Camden County in 2000 which was Jeff Herron’s first year at Camden.
I think you just answered why Camden is now so successfull. What did Camden do before the Coach Herron era? Coach Herron comes in puts a program into place gets the kids involved and the rest is history!!!!! The enrollment was already there, just not utilized to its full potential.
grayram
November 24th, 2009
6:53 pm
Sportsfan:
Don’t know why. It does seem like alot of coaches are changing this year
Facts
November 24th, 2009
7:25 pm
DaveDawg96,
NO…the Hooch kids are sick of going up against schools that have 3000+ students when they only have 1850. Not too many people know that Chattahoochee has been split 4 times since it opened in 1992 (Centennial, Northview, Alpharetta, Johns Creek). I cannot think of another school in the state that has had that happen to them.
The Hooch / Johns Creek rivalry will be HUGE with the schools being 2 miles apart and it will only add to the South Forsyth rivalry.
Curious
November 24th, 2009
7:37 pm
Todd, I thought the GHSF Daily Staff was going to look at a new classification each day this week. Where is AAAA?
That Guy
November 24th, 2009
8:21 pm
Curious,
I’m with you. This AAAAA talk is like beating a dead horse. Lets move on.
Chanandler Bong
November 24th, 2009
8:35 pm
I know AAAA seems to be the largest classification in terms of number of schools. I’m curious to see how they sort things out since it doesn’t look like that many schools are petitioning to play up. Only Archer, Benedictine, Bradwell, and Stephenson are playing up. With the Warner Robins schools all playing AAAA now, it will be interesting to see who gets put where.
city slicker
November 24th, 2009
9:57 pm
umm to facts lithonia in dekalb has been split 4 times since 97 with stepheson,mlk,millergrove,arabia mtn,
CDT LTC Alstad
November 24th, 2009
10:14 pm
Logistical support is an integral part of Benedictine’s JROTC program.
SouthGARules
November 24th, 2009
10:28 pm
SportsFan31313: When Bradwell beat Warner Robins in 1996, the Demons were in Region 2. Before 2006, Warner Robins had not played in Region 1 since maybe the 60’s. They have been in regions with Macon & Columbus schools.
SAI LTC J.M.O. III
November 25th, 2009
12:03 am
SAV public schools need to call the ball on this one and land in AAAA
Travel Whinners Take Notice
November 25th, 2009
12:09 am
Georgia is not that large of a state to have so many travel whinners. 120 miles is just an every day trip. FYI. Beaumont to El Paso is 880 miles…now that’s a road trip! So stop the whinning. GHSA has allowed Camden to screw the other AAAAA regions with their automatic #1 seed each year.
KrsKrs
November 25th, 2009
1:07 am
City Slicker… I know for a fact that most if not all of Miller Grove students came from Redan. MLK and Arabia Mountain, probably! But I doubt at Stepehnson a serious portion of kids came from Lithonia, seeing that it is a Stone Mountain school in all I would think it pulled from Redan.
glw
November 25th, 2009
1:57 am
KrsKrs,
I think city slicker is right on that one. Stephenson was originally derived from Redan, Stone Mountain and a small portion of Lithonia. Arabia Mtn is from King and Lithonia, MLK was bore from Lithonia and not sure what other school. And while not totally sure what school MIller Grove was derived from, am pretty sure they got some kids from Lithonia considering that Lithonia is closer than any other high school.
GtG1
November 25th, 2009
7:37 am
One thing you did not consider in your mileage analysis of Camden County is that about 95 of the 107 miles can be traveled by Interstate. Nearly 1/2 the entire travel miles for the 1AAAAA games would be on two lane highways. I’ve lived and worked in South Georgia all my life and have traveled these roads many years and even though I abhor interstate highway travel, it is the safest and fastest way to get from one point to another. These other roads would add at least an hour to the travel time for the visiting school over the current times Camden and 3AAAAA schools have. The additional travel time alone should mark this suggestion for the rubbish heap.
glw
November 25th, 2009
7:48 am
If the Savannah schools choose to play up, then I think you have to keep Camden in Region 3, to at least give some strength to the region. If Camden goes to Region 1, we all know chances are that the #5 and #6 teams in Region 1 would be at least 2nd best team in Region 3. One side note, suppose the GHSA does put Camden in Region 1, dont you think they would petition for a lateral move to Region 3 anyway?
SportsFan31313
November 25th, 2009
11:00 am
SouthGARules States:
SportsFan31313: When Bradwell beat Warner Robins in 1996, the Demons were in Region 2. Before 2006, Warner Robins had not played in Region 1 since maybe the 60’s. They have been in regions with Macon & Columbus schools.
Greetings SouthGARules,
Oh Okay Thanks…..
SportsFan31313
November 25th, 2009
11:02 am
Travel Whinners Take Notice States:
Georgia is not that large of a state to have so many travel whinners. 120 miles is just an every day trip. FYI. Beaumont to El Paso is 880 miles…now that’s a road trip! So stop the whinning. GHSA has allowed Camden to screw the other AAAAA regions with their automatic #1 seed each year.
Greetings Travel Whinners Take Notice,
Well in case you didn’t know, Georgia is the Largest State East Of The Mississippi River with 159 Counties.
Trying to be real
November 25th, 2009
11:27 am
Sports Fan 31313
take a look at your vaunted #3 and 4s from the south, reg seasons and playoff history the past 3-4 years before you make a blind irrational staement about them beating top teams from reg 7 or any other. Example Coffee Co has faired real well—right ?
SportsFan31313
November 25th, 2009
11:36 am
Trying to be real,
I did. And I stand by my statement.
The Man
November 25th, 2009
11:37 am
GRIFFIN IS THE BEST TEAM IN HIGH SCHOOL SPORTS TODAY!!!!!! They need to get the respect they deserve. I am off subject but who cares.
ramtough
November 25th, 2009
12:08 pm
watch out for newton next yr
SportsFan31313
November 25th, 2009
12:14 pm
Travel Whinners Take Notice,
GHSA have the responsibility to aligned the Classifications and Regions. Its is not the Coaches responsibility. With that being said, It is the Coaches Job to win. Coach Jeff Herron at Camden County is doing just that. As long as he is doing that he will be there as long as he wishes. It is the responsibility of the Football Teams, and their Coaching Staff that face Camden County, to try to beat them.So lets not blame Camden Count,y and their Coach for being number 1. They got that from winning.. Blame the losing opponents, and their Coaches for not using their brain, and think up schemes to beat Camden County to get the job done.
crash001
November 25th, 2009
12:15 pm
Grayram – I know you are not referring to Stephenson kids as mere mortals. If you are consider yourself a BIG PUNK. Colquitt County defeated a gifted Stephenson team that is poorly coach. We all know if Stephenson had a coach who would win the State championship in 5-A.
EagleNationRising – How could you refer to a program as being bad if you know NOTHING about what goes into those program, one thing you got right is there are bad coaches.
ramtough
November 25th, 2009
12:43 pm
hopefully our coaching staff learn not to be afraid of the playoff scene play to win play there best players just because your a senior that don’t mean your the best one at that position stop running AK in between the tackles get #5 more involve in the running game get #7 more involve in the passing game and spent the time to learn about the other team Why don’t this team show the kids tape of the team they are going up against rather than them taking the kids to the mall for 4 hrs before game time, man that was a stupid move if the kids want to drive 600 miles to go to the mall let there parents take them, very stupid move coach ( They went that far to only reach that far) Camden is a good team but they are not 30 points better than the newton rams
DaveDawg96
November 25th, 2009
12:53 pm
If we want to play the split game, from Sprayberry came Wheeler (1966), Walton (1976), Lassiter (1981), Pope (1987) and Kell (2003-ish).
Trying to be real
November 25th, 2009
1:12 pm
Sportsfan
Your 3 & 4s faired no better than any one elses. In fact last year Coffe got drummed bty Pridge—your # 1 lost at grayson also. All is good—-Im just saying year in and year out –other than Pridge as a #4 in 06 the top 2 teams in most regions always fight through and on a consistant bases will handle any lower half team from ANY region. I can understand the bold speak –and justifiably so of Lowndes,Camden and NSWR—but after that what is there ?? Have to respect Camden and Lowndes they have earned—-besides the fact there isn’t much more going on in those parts!!!—just kidding. Lets hope for some good ballgames this weekend.
DaveDawg96
November 25th, 2009
2:17 pm
Revised 11-25-09:
1AAAAA (6)
Camden
Coffee
Colquitt County
Lowndes
Tift County
Valdosta
2AAAAA (8)
East Coweta
Langston Hughes
Luella
M.L. King
Newnan
Newton
Stephenson
Westlake
3AAAAA (8)
Beach
Benedictine
Bradwell Institute
Groves
Jenkins
Johnson, Savannah
Savannah
Windsor Forest
4AAAAA (8)
Campbell
Harrison
Hillgrove
Kennesaw Mountain
McEachern
North Cobb
Pebblebrook
South Cobb
5AAAAA (7)
Cherokee
Etowah
Lassiter
Marietta
Walton
Wheeler
Woodstock
6AAAAA (7)
Alpharetta
Centennial
Milton
North Forsyth
Northview
Roswell
West Forsyth
7AAAAA (8)
Collins Hill
Duluth
Meadowcreek
Mill Creek
Mountain View
Norcross
North Gwinnett
Peachtree Ridge
8AAAAA (9)
Archer
Berkmar
Brookwood
Central Gwinnett
Dacula
Grayson
Parkview
Shiloh
South Gwinnett
SWD Panther Paw
November 25th, 2009
2:36 pm
DaveDawg96
Your 5-A mock up look’s very sensible to me. I say GHSA take this and let’s move on
SouthGARules
November 25th, 2009
2:58 pm
Facts: Agreed. Sounds like they are building schools on top of each other in North Fulton, especially east of GA 400. It sounds a lot like South Dekalb where several schools have been built recently.
SportsFan31313: Greetings to you as well, sir. With Liberty County & Bradwell out of the picture, will you be attending any games up to & including the finals?
DaveDawg96: Your proposed regions make a lot of sense. Of course, Regions 5-8 would have an advantage due to travel not being as much. However, some of the Region 6 games could be a beast to travel to (North Fulton schools going up 400 on a Friday is no picnic, though N Forsyth probably love not having to go to Gwinnett)
Happy Thanksgiving to all & safe travels to your games this Friday.
glw
November 25th, 2009
2:59 pm
Dave Dawg
I agree pretty much with your mock regions too. It sets up some good natural rivals considering reclassification only occurs every 4 years now, that helps. But must admit I will be shocked if Camden is placed in Region 1. I think the GHSA will be content with only 5 teams in that region, considering it is usually pretty strong.
Adam
November 25th, 2009
3:41 pm
Allatoona H.S. in Cobb County moving to AAA classification does not make sense. It is a new school so enrollment will grow, in AAA there is not any natural rivalries and they will have to travel long distances to play games. More expenses for the school for gas, time lost, parents not being able to see the games, etc.
grayram
November 25th, 2009
4:20 pm
crash001
No insult to Stephenson was intended. I thought Stephenson may win it all this year.
I was just saying the QB from Lassiter seems to be a special player and good luck to Colquitt trying to stop him.
grayram
November 25th, 2009
4:21 pm
i do like the sound of “BIG PUNK ” its alot better than the “little punk”
that i am usually called!!
yo
November 25th, 2009
4:31 pm
grayram not if the top 2 S. Ga. teams are in the same region.
It does guarantee that one less very good S.Ga. loses out on home field advantage in the playoffs. I think Lowndes proved how important that home field advantage is and the lack of travel that comes with it. Very good teams (still in the playoffs) come to Martin Stadium and lose by 35. Lowndes goes to your house and loses by 3…..twice.
So bringing Camden into 1AAAAA does give an advantage to other regions.
Think of it another way. What if Grayson, Lowndes, N. Gwinnet, Camden, Newnan, Stephenson, Lassiter and Peachtree Ridge were all in the same region.
Would that make it easier on other teams in other regions to get top seeds and into the playoffs?
Would that mean that 4 very good teams would not make it into the playoffs?
The way they used to do home field advantage in the playoffs now seems more fair to me than the way it is now done (coin toss). It used to be they rotated home field advantage from year to year from region to region. S. Ga. teams are definitely on the short end of the stick when it comes to playoffs and traveling, just because of the distance and the amount of AAAAA schools in the northern half of the state.
yo
November 25th, 2009
4:35 pm
Trying to be real hear what you are saying, but Colquit #3 is still playing. This will be their 4th staight week of a “very” long road trip in a row. My gut is this is the week it gets to them.
yo
November 25th, 2009
4:41 pm
Newnan’s lack of offense will show this week…Bye Newnan.
Northside over Peachtree Ridge…bye Ptree.
Colquit logging to many road miles…bye Colquit.
North Gwinnett is the best team now left standing and won the coing toss…bye Camden.
grayram
November 25th, 2009
4:45 pm
yo
I was looking at the bracket when i typed that and was going by the fact that the 1 and 2 seeds from reg 1 are on opposite sides and could not play until the finals. If Camden were in reg 1 (again i’m just asking, i don’t care what reg they are in) the best two s ga teams would be in reg 1 and clear of each other until the finals.
Think of it another way. What if Grayson, Lowndes, N. Gwinnet, Camden, Newnan, Stephenson, Lassiter and Peachtree Ridge were all in the same region.
the probleb with this is those are 8 great teams. I know some think the WHOLE region 1 is strong but its just not the case. NSWR is moving out so as it is now REG 1 has Lowndes, Colquitt, An Average Valdosta and then some also rans. You would not have 8 or even 5 great teams in reg 1 even with Camden. Of course this is all just my opinion and i could surely be wrong.
thanks
grayram
November 25th, 2009
4:48 pm
yo
BTW Lowndes came to our house and lost by a little more than 3
Quinn of the Ridge
November 25th, 2009
8:31 pm
10 to be exact
. Then again, Grayson came to our house the week after, and lost by… well, exactly 3.
yo
November 25th, 2009
8:33 pm
grayram and Quinn of the Ridge thats because you ran up the score at the end.
ghs#22
November 25th, 2009
8:55 pm
Newnan will be grayson toughest game yet………that includes Camden Co this year and Lowndes last year
ghs#22
November 25th, 2009
8:56 pm
Coach Conn will really have to be smarter this week….
he’s play calling is to me sub par……
ghs#22
November 25th, 2009
8:58 pm
I hope Comcast is listening…..get the players names right this week.
John In Jacksonville
November 26th, 2009
3:04 am
I tried to do a post a couple days ago but it didn’t appear to take. Does anyone know anything about a new high school in Lowndes County? I heard that they are going to build a new school that will split from Lowndes, it’ll be east of Valdosta near Pine Grove, I think. I was told it will be small, maybe 600 to 800, but that would drop Lowndes’ enrollment from 2800 to close to 2000. Staying in the state’s elite would become a lot harder at that point.
As to when, not sure but it was originally supposed to happen around 2010 but is delayed because of the economic situation.
Nazan Yar
November 26th, 2009
6:47 am
Soooooo what happened to the other updates?
Hornets 2009
November 26th, 2009
10:19 am
Adam, Alatoona should petition to move to AAAA. Then they could play in a regions with 14 teams projected, 2 sub regions of 7. Hear talk of a Cobb, Paulding, Douglas region. Oh yeah, I forgot we were in the mighty AAAAA forum and not to talk about other classes here. Well if AJC would get the other class forums going we wouldn’t. but then if you are not Gwinnett or 1-AAAAA you don’t matter here.
danny hall
November 26th, 2009
1:24 pm
Stone mountain always on top going for the #1 seed and state champs
danny hall
November 26th, 2009
1:24 pm
Enter your comments here
glw
November 26th, 2009
2:47 pm
tired of waiting, since my son will be attending a AAAA in a couple of years figured I would go ahead and give my take on it.
PLEASE NOTE: I MIGHT HAVE LEFT A TEAM OR TWO OFF. JUST A ROUGH DRAFT!!!
REGION 1
WARNER ROBINS
N SIDE WR
LEE CO
HOUSTON CO
HARRIS CO
NSIDE, COLUMB
HARDAWAY
THOMAS CO CEN
REGION 2
BRUNSWICK
EFFINGHAM CO
EVANS
GLYNN ACAD
GREENBRIER
LAKESIDE
RICHMOND HILL
SOUTH EFFING
WAYNE CO
REGION 3
GRIFFIN
UPSON LEE
JONES CO
MUNDYS MILL
LOVEJOY
RIVERDALE
MORROW
FOREST PARK
NORTH CLAYTON
JONESBORO
MT ZION
OLA
DUTCHTOWN
UNION GROVE
WOODLAND
REGION 4
FAYETTE CO
MCINTOSH
STARR’S MILL
WHITEWATER
NORTHGATE
SANDY CREEK* (IF THEY PLAY AAAA)
MAYS
DOUGLASS
CARVER
TRI CITIES
BANNEKER
CREEKSIDE
REGION 5
N PAULDING
S PAULDING
PAULDING CO
E PAULDING
HIRAM
VILLA RICA
KELL
OSBORNE
SPRAYBERRY
POPE
DOUGLAS CO
LITHIA SPRINGS
ALEXANDER
CHAPEL HILL
REGION 6
CHAMBLEE
DUNWOODY
LAKESIDE
LITHONIA
MARIST
REDAN
SW DEKALB
TUCKER
REGION 7
SEQUOYAH
CREEKVIEW
WOODLAND
JOHNS CREEK
CASS
FORSYTH CENTRAL
ROME
NW WHITEFIELD
LAMBERT
CHATTAHOOCHEE
FLOWERY BRANCH
REGION 8
ALCOVY
APALACHEE
CEDAR SHOALS
CLARKE CENTRAL
HABERSHAM
HERITAGE, CONYERS
LOGANVILLE
MADISON CO
ROCKDALE CO
SALEM
WINDER BARROW
Adam
November 26th, 2009
3:35 pm
Did not realize that Allatoona will be the only high school in Cobb or Paulding playing in AAA, everyone else is AAAA or AAAAA. It does not make sense.
KrsKrs
November 26th, 2009
7:59 pm
Allatoona has options in AAA, not as many as AAAA or AAAAA but they have options. Cartersville High is about 10 miles from Allatoona. They also have the North Fulton Schools that around 25 miles or so from the school. They just better hope they don’t get put in with Dalton or Carrollton. Also the projected regions 5 and 7 for AAAA are wack. Woodland-Cartersville is only a couple of miles from the Paulding County line but someone wants to put them in with Forsyth Schools??? Rome to Cumming is a long drive. I understand looking at a map you see that Floyd (Rome),Bartow (Woodland, Cass), Cherokee (Creekview, Sequoyah) and Forsyth County all line up West to east side by side but there is not a quick direct route from one to the other. Only two lane, traffic congested HWY 20!
NsideBlue
November 26th, 2009
8:02 pm
SWD Panther Paw:
NOT EVERY WORD THAT ENDS IN ‘S’ WILL HAVE AN APOSTROPHE!!!!
DID YOU TAKE ENGLISH IN SCHOOL?
AAAARGH!!!
SWD Panther Paw
November 27th, 2009
12:00 pm
NsideBlue
Get a grip…..it’s not that serious in this forum
DuluthCat
November 27th, 2009
12:20 pm
Todd,
For how many more years does duluth have to get their butt kicked in region 7-AAAAA before they get moved down? The school has lost a ton of students to Peachtree Ridge (and look how good they have done) and are consistently of the smallest schools in AAAAA. They haven’t won a region 7-AAAAA game in three years. Something needs to be done because the school is obviously hurting in revenue due to the fact there were less than 50 people at senior night. I can only imagine how many people were there for other games. Move us down, so that we have a fighting chance of being competitive, can gain interest for the program again, and get some of our dignity back.
Guwinster
November 27th, 2009
2:24 pm
glw: If that is how the regions end up in AAAA, then region 1 will be stacked.
Also to the Benedictine fan, I’m pretty sure Camden would beat Benedictine at pretty much everything. Camden has not lost to Benedictine in soccer since 2004 (the last time they played Camden won 5-0). Camden wrestling has dominated Benedictine (their B-team beat Benedictine’s A-team last year). Camden has done far more in baseball the past three years (elite eight and final four) than Benedictine. Camden’s tennis team was 18-3 last year (twice beating Richmond Hill a team that destroyed Benedictine). I’m pretty sure Camden has a better swim program than Benedictine too. I think Camden and Benedictine would go 1-1 in basketball. I don’t know about track, cross country or golf, Benedictine could very well be better at track but I don’t think they are any better at cross country or golf.
The thing is Camden has gotten better at several sports, not just football, over the past decade. I would be very surprised if Benedictine could win an all-sports season series against Camden now.
Goldenglove002
November 27th, 2009
10:52 pm
GLW, I would redo regions 4-8 a little. Most of my problems with yours are regions 7 and 5 (the distance between some of the region 7 schools and region 5 is placed inbetween some of them). Most of the other changes were just readjustments after those 2, along with evening out the number of teams a little.
Region 4-
Douglas Co
Alexander
Chapel Hill
Lithia Springs
Northgate
Creekside
Bannekar
McIntosh
Fayette Co
Whitewater
Stars Mill
Sandy Creek*
Region 5-
Osborne
Mays
Douglass
Tri Cities
Carver
SW Dekalb
Redan
Lithonia
Heritage
Alcovy
Salem
Rockdale Co
Region 6-
N Paulding
S Paulding
Paulding Co
E Pualding
Hiram
Villa Rica
Woodland
Cass
Rome
NW Whitefield
Region 7-
Kell
Sprayberry
Pope
Seqouyah
Creekview
Johns Creek
Chatahoochee
Chamblee
Dunwoody
Lakeside
Marist
Tucker
Region 8-
Forsyth Central
Lambert
Flowery Branch
Loganville
Habersham
Apalachee
Winder Barrow
Madison Co
Cedar Shoals
Clarke Central
Region 3,4,5 could mix up a little bit, and Alatoona could slip into 6 or 7 if they decide to go AAAA
Sportsfan31313
November 28th, 2009
1:19 pm
Trying to be real,
Want to speak again now?
Sportsfan31313
November 28th, 2009
1:24 pm
Greetings SouthGa Rules,
I am currently out of town for the Thanksgiving Holidays. But just to let you know, that I have always pulled for the South Georgia Teams even when my team was not there. I pulled for Region 1-AAAAA Lowndes County, Northside Warner Robins, Colquitt County, Region 3-AAAAA Camden County, and I also pulled for Newnan. But now, Colquitt County reign ends this week with a great season under their belts as I stated, the State Title will come to eith Lowndes County or Camden County. I am pulling for Camden County. I am also pulling for Northside Warner Robins as the two will meet again this year for a spectacular showdown in the Dome.
cougar nation
November 28th, 2009
9:57 pm
It don’t matter who NEWNAN plays were a newnan power house in 5A football
GO PACK GO
November 30th, 2009
8:14 pm
I hope everyone keeps pulling against us and I hope we keep proving them wrong. Go Pack Go!
Theophilus
December 1st, 2009
10:08 am
Todd – What happened to the AAAA reclassification article?
Jake Bivona
December 21st, 2011
1:57 pm
Outstandingly composed article, only when all people provided the same material just like you, the web would be a more desirable place.
Irina Debello
December 27th, 2011
9:02 am
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